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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mexico warns Texas not to refuse its immigrants' babies U.S. birth certificates on: Today at 01:50:12 pm
Mexico ought to be minding their own...very serious...business.

Populist 'Merican rhetoric aside, Angus is of course correct.

Yeah, really. Some Federali in Tijuana threatening the United States? Are they nuts? All we have to do is make them drink their own water and we will win.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The topless parade. Pride or Shame? on: Today at 01:48:51 pm
Troll thread, probably. Still, I don't think "topless parades" have any place in a decent city. (Men shouldn't be walking around through a city "topless" either.)
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In case you were wondering, George Zimmerman is still a very pleasant fellow on: Today at 01:39:03 pm
You notice how no white people are rioting? Or screaming? Or protesting? Or using violence back?

Really shows who act like grownups and who act like screaming children with temper tantrums. The answer? LIBERALS.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How brutal is this Scott Walker clip? on: August 28, 2015, 07:54:53 am
I don't think this clip is actually that bad, especially when compared to everything else.

I was gonna say, these threads are wasting my time. Trump's Asian comments weren't half as bad as I expected, this wasn't a bad comment and the Rubio football thing was almost not even worth a 10-second clip.

I'm amazed at what is news nowadays.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Watch Trump imitate asian negotiators broken english on: August 28, 2015, 07:52:09 am
I thought this would hurt Trump, but I went into my favorite Chinese restaurant today and Trump was on the TV.  One of the proprietors, and older Chinese lady, and her daughter, were watching Trump, and they had big smiles on.  They LOVED him!  Whether they caught what he did last night, I don't know, but they LOVED him.  "He tells it like it is!" said the older lady. 

Why would this be?  One reason is that these folks sunk their own money into a new business, so they identify with Trump, the businessman.  Another is that they see Trump as a guy who's succeeded by doing big things.  A third is that these folks emigrated from China and one reason is that they prefer the freedom of America to the regimentation of China and were able to come over.

Trump is talking to Americans as Americans and urging them to talk back to him as Americans.  It's part of the 1968 Richard Nixon appeal.  This isn't racism or xenophobia, but it's not racist or xenophobic for people to be tired of their government seemingly bogged down in addressing the group-level grievances of every self-defined minority group that perceives it to be a victim of injustice (even if the injustice happened centuries ago).  There's a place for some of that, but there's also a time to insist that people focus on the fact that they are Americans, first. 

Same thing at my work. Went for a beer after work and the hot 20-something year old chick I work with was talking about how Trump sounded great "not being politically correct" during the anchor baby comment. My one co-worker said he is beginning to get "genuinely excited" at the idea of a Trump Presidency.

I have yet to meet one anti-Trump person. Anyone I've heard talk about him doesn't seem to dislike him. Except people on this forum.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kristol suggests more candidates should get into GOP race on: August 24, 2015, 07:48:29 pm
Rubio. Bush. Kasich. Huckabee. Christie.

Four Governors and a Senator. Two from Florida, one from Ohio. Those five men are the ONLY ones I pay attention to during this election.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2015 Federal Election - At-Large Senate on: August 24, 2015, 02:09:37 am
1. NC Yankee
2. Cris
3. Altsomn Stmarken
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Marco Rubio hates children on: August 18, 2015, 06:48:44 pm
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/marco-rubio-hits-kid-football-121485.html

There's the 3 second video. I'm disappointed was expecting something better.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Voting for Hillary Clinton on: August 18, 2015, 02:24:34 am
Considering you never graduated college and have very little hope of becoming an incredibly wealthy businessman or engineer at this point in your life, Mike, I'd say her call to raise the minimum wage, make 2 year college and vocational training free, and cut taxes in your parents income bracket would all be very helpful to you.  Her plan to raise capital gains taxes on short term investments and incentivize long term capital spending would probably be very good to a rust belt state like Ohio. Bernie Sanders would do something similar.

The real question would be what candidates like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, who want to undercut a man of your position by significantly increasing the number of workers visas, or single issue candidates like Ben Carson or Mike Huckabee who put religion ahead of economics, or big business hawks like Carly Fiorina or Ted Cruz who want to cut taxes for an income bracket you are virtually guaranteed of never being apart of, would be to you.

The poor and undereducated are disproportionately homosexual, minority, and female. For economic purposes, you are an average gay, black woman.

You really paint a bleak picture while not really knowing much about me.

I think my reasoning for voting Republican stems back to dissatisfaction with things such as liberalism, feminism and a cultural decline that Democrats seem to want to embrace.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Voting for Hillary Clinton on: August 18, 2015, 12:46:52 am
I had a curious thought a few weeks ago that I've finally decided to share. I've heard this question worded more or less the same way asked by many guys I know. The guys I know who might grab a beer with me after work or guys I might chat with about news and current events. This could apply to the entire Democratic field of 2016 candidates, but mostly to Hillary Clinton.

The question is this:

I'm not black. I'm not gay. I'm not a woman. What is in it for me to vote for Hillary Clinton?

P.S. The answer cannot be "warm fuzzies for helping others, ect ect". Specifically, what is in it for me? For guys like me?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Black Lives Matter Barred from Clinton Event on: August 11, 2015, 11:22:17 pm
LOL They call the GOP a circus. How stupid does it look for an unknown white governor clapping along with a fringe angry black movement?

Cheesy

Not even a comparison. None of the candidates running for the Democratic nomination are as fringe or cartoonish as the Republican field.

Just playing devil's advocate, but your bias might be showing, bro.  The world gets and respects that you're not a Republican or conservative, but that's admitting you have a bias.  From the point of view of someone more conservative than me, your field could be pretty easily made fun of.  Your front runner is currently involved in an email investigation, your second place person describes himself as a socialist and two of your other candidates who are certain to make the debates a former Republican-turned-Independent-turned-Democrat who literally only talks about the metric system and the only candidate in either party to publicly defend the Confederate flag...
It's hard to fault the Democrats as being a circus when:

1. Republicans lied about Iraq.
2. Lied about the Patriot Act various times, saying it was only aimed at terrorists
3. Continued deregulation that led to the Global collapse of '08.
4. Made gay marriage a political issue to win an election.
5. Threw out all moderates in the party to appease the Tea Party.
6. Made racist portrayals of Obama every year since he's taken office.
7. Whined about Benghazi for years even though their own destabilization policies led to the event.
8. Made up a fake IRS scandal that led to nothing.
9. Attacked all Democrats as unpatriotic, even veterans, by attacking war records with no proof and fake allegations in '04.
10. Supported money in politics which has corrupted our political system.
11. Tried to push Obama into sending ground troops various times with no plan.
12. Opposed a sensible policy in Cuba for no reason whatsoever except Cold War era nonsense.
13. Oppose the Iran Deal before it was finalized and before they saw the constraints put on Iran, and accused Obama of giving Iranians money even though only Iranian assets were unfrozen, and no money was given.
14. Blamed Hillary Clinton for ISIS, even though ISIS members gained power under the Bush administration when Iraq was destabilized.
15. Oppose any action on climate change even though virtually all scientists agree it is man made and increasing.
16. Would defund planned Parenthood for reasons purely related to abortion even though thousands, if not millions of women rely on it for non abortion related care and treatment.
17. Allow Donald Trump to take lead position in the polls.
18. Pretend like Jeb Bush and Scott Walker are candidates that interest the American electorate in any way, shape, or form.
19. Belittle and generalize the struggle of the Black Lives Matter movement.

1. That was over a decade ago, and your frontrunner voted for it, lie or not.  George W. Bush is only even kind of relevant if Jeb is the nominee.
2. Huh?  Another thing that was bipartisan, and are seriously suggesting the Obama administration has been this huge improvement on civil liberties?!  Your frontrunner was a member of that administration.
3. Uh, deregulation that a Democratic President (and your frontrunner's husband) signed??  Your frontrunner has said she would not reinstate Glass Stegall.
4. Yeah, and Democrats so courageously came out for gay marriage back in 2004, right?  Let's see how much the GOP nominee talks about his/her opposition to gay marriage.
5. This is just dumb, LOL.
6. What?
7. Your frontrunner was the Secretary of State ... An initial investigation was pretty relevant.
8. How was it "fake"?  It was pretty well-documented.  Are you actually bragging that it led to nothing?  Congrats?
9. Are we still talking about the 2016 fields of candidates??  Why do you keep bringing up 2004?
10. Yeah, Democrats (like your frontrunner) HATE big money in politics!!  GMAFB.
11. Just ... What.
12. Not disagreeing with their reason does NOT mean they "had no reason at all."  Again, bias.
13. Uh, yeah, genius; that was their issue with it!  They WANTED to see what was in it...
14. Link?
15. Your first (and only) good and relevant point.
16. This comes STRAIGHT down to your moral opinions on abortion.  NOT worth arguing about.
17. Yeah, with such a HUGE chunk of total Republicans surveyed.  Again, even if I don't agree with this, you realize that it might seem just as hilarious and absurd that a self-described socialist is doing better among Democrats than an outspoken businessman is among Republicans?
18. Running out of ideas for bullet points?
19. Uh, what?

The poster I quoted made reference to EVERYONE in the GOP field being more of a joke and/or cartoonish than anyone on the Democratic side ... I addressed that.

You proceeded to post a list of why Republicans are icky and stoopid.
1. She was lied to by Goerge Bush, as even Republicans would tell you.
2.Again, the Senators didn't even read the bill. This was another bill of goods the GOP sold.
3. Republican Congress, and Reagan actually 'started" deregulation.
4. To this day, Huckabee and Cruz still try to fight against it.
5. Please try responding with some facts on this one.
6. Are you really denying Republicans have made racist protrayls of Obama? LOL
7. The 'investigation" is a farce that wastes taxpayer money every day it continues.
8. There was no proof that the claims the GOP made were true. Republicans abonded it almost immedately.
9. Jeb Bush.
10. Every Republican supports it, but at least Democrats speak out against it.
11. Libya, Syria, Iraq, among others.
12. When a reason is that outdated, it became farce.
13. Uh genius, generally you wait for the plan to be presented before you go on attack mod.
14. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/politics/jeb-bush-blames-us-policies-for-isis-rise.html?_r=0 and http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/11/us-usa-election-bush-idUSKCN0QG09E20150811
15. K.
16. PLANNED PARENTHOOD DOES MORE THAN ABORTIONS...
17. So you are telling me that basically every poll is wrong. Ok. And so what if he's a socialist? That's a political ideology, which is kind of the point, Einstein. You can't call someone a joke just because they hold socialist views.
18. No, I have many more.
19. "White Lives Matter"

Nice non-rebuttal and non-sequitur on a couple of bullets there. Ice up, son. Trump will lead you to the promised land.

Absolutely incorrect. If you call the police and say, "Officer, I think there is someone who broke into my house!" and the cops invade your house and check it out and nobody broke in, that doesn't mean you lied, it means you were mistaken.

There is a difference between a mistake and a lie.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton and White People on: August 11, 2015, 08:16:58 pm
Her big problem, and the Democratic Party's problem are white voters. Period. I'm stunned at how many white people I know through friends or work or family loath Hillary and vow to vote against her at all costs, and nearly all of them who I knew at the time were vocal Obama voters.

In which Republican county do you live, Reaganfan?

Is it Butler County?

Summit County Ohio.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Black Lives Matter Barred from Clinton Event on: August 11, 2015, 08:12:32 pm
LOL They call the GOP a circus. How stupid does it look for an unknown white governor clapping along with a fringe angry black movement?

Cheesy
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton and White People on: August 11, 2015, 08:09:48 pm
Her big problem, and the Democratic Party's problem are white voters. Period. I'm stunned at how many white people I know through friends or work or family loath Hillary and vow to vote against her at all costs, and nearly all of them who I knew at the time were vocal Obama voters.

That's why the more this "Black Lives Matter" stuff happens and the more Hillary panders to 13% of the population, she's alienating white voters. When they see angry blacks in Ferguson shouting, "We ready for what? WE READY FOR WAR!" do you think they are saying, "Oh those poor people?" Hell no, with the exception of a slim tiny minority, most are terrified.

Remember...had Obama gotten just 3% less more of the white vote, Mitt Romney would have won in spite of "changing demographics". Imagine the anger if whites cost Democrats the White House.

Happens.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Morning Consult national poll: Clinton leads Bush/Paul/Rubio/Trump/Walker on: August 11, 2015, 05:44:24 am
Note that this poll gives Trump a 39% favorable / 53% unfavorable rating.  That's among the general electorate, not Republicans.  39% favorable might be his best showing ever (at least this year), in any poll.

Meanwhile, Jeb Bush is 38% / 47%, so not that much better.  Hillary Clinton is 45% / 51%.


Jeez. Is there any politician running for President that America finds favorable?
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2015 Federal Special Election - At-large Senate on: August 09, 2015, 04:38:21 am
1. JoMCaR
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Fox Debate had 24m viewers! on: August 08, 2015, 11:34:50 am
While I highly dislike Trump, there is no way that this debate would have gotten anywhere close to this amount of views if he wasn't on that stage.  So while I hope he doesn't win, people are tuning in and they get to hear the other Republicans speak. 

Right. For example...24 million Americans just saw Rubio kick butt, and they were introduced to Kasich. They saw how bad Trump and Rand Paul were.

Last time all the viewership was for the Obama/Hillary debates.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who do you think won the main debate? on: August 07, 2015, 04:46:00 am
1. Rubio
2. Kasich
3. Christie
4. Huckabee
5. Bush
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why did conservative white Democrats like John Edwards so much in '08? on: August 02, 2015, 01:53:56 pm
The other choices were a woman and a black guy. I'm serious BTW I had 2-3 older guys with Edwards signs tell me that. I'm not kidding.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young TV host advocates for full out war during tirade on: July 24, 2015, 12:41:09 pm
It's true though that Obama has a "tip-toe" policy about terror. Think about it. Fort Hood is a terror attack. The guy was a Muslim, he wore Muslim garb and yelled "Allah Akbar!" while committing his murders. President Obama called Fort Hood "workplace violence". Workplace violence. Think about that for a second. Workplace violence would be throwing a copy machine at a wall, not yelling out Arabic screams as you commit terrorism in the name of Islam.

He isn't stupid, he knows what he's saying. Why does he say something that flawed?

Out of curiosity, do you consider Charleston a terror attack too?

Sure, in a sort-of homegrown hate crime sort of way.

I just never really noticed until recently how eager liberals are to make sure they do their best to stress anything different than Muslim Islamic Extremism.

"Workplace violence". It was terrorism. Obama says "ISIL" while everyone else says "ISIS". Obama was asked about Islamic extremism and came back with a quip about "Christian crusaders 1,000 years ago."

It doesn't make sense. It's like he's trying to play fair with people we should be incinerating.

http://nypost.com/2015/02/21/sure-obama-loves-america-just-not-the-america-we-live-in/

In Prague, he said America has “a moral responsibility to act” on arms control because only the US had “used a nuclear weapon,” as though winning a war that Japan started was shameful.

By a margin of 46 to 11, more right-wing conservatives than left-wing liberals agree that the US is the best country, according to last year’s Pew survey. In another survey, when Americans were asked to guess whether American exceptionalism was a belief of Presidents Clinton, Reagan, George W. Bush and Obama, the latter came in last, by a large margin.

Even when Obama claims to support American exceptionalism, he can’t do so without a “but.”
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young TV host advocates for full out war during tirade on: July 24, 2015, 03:48:15 am
It's true though that Obama has a "tip-toe" policy about terror. Think about it. Fort Hood is a terror attack. The guy was a Muslim, he wore Muslim garb and yelled "Allah Akbar!" while committing his murders. President Obama called Fort Hood "workplace violence". Workplace violence. Think about that for a second. Workplace violence would be throwing a copy machine at a wall, not yelling out Arabic screams as you commit terrorism in the name of Islam.

He isn't stupid, he knows what he's saying. Why does he say something that flawed?
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: O'Malley Gets Cold Response After He Says 'White Lives Matter, All Lives Matter' on: July 23, 2015, 02:24:42 pm
This is why Democrats are bleeding white voters.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Quinnipiac polls of CO, IA, VA. Clinton in big trouble. on: July 22, 2015, 05:37:18 am
Both Trump and Hillary seem to be plummeting all of sudden in recent polls. Trump's reasons are obvious, Hillary Clinton I'm not so sure why she keeps dropping.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who had the best announcement? on: July 22, 2015, 04:29:38 am
Bush and Kasich.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Governor Walker confronted by illegal immigrant on: July 21, 2015, 12:01:36 am
It comes down to the law or compassion. Perhaps it's like the old saying, "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart.  If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."
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