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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Bernie Goldberg = Liberal FF on: December 13, 2014, 07:39:20 am
I have to say I was impressed by Bernie Goldberg's column. As a liberal, he makes extremely valid arguments.

http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Memo-to-Liberals:-Weve-Had-Enough!/-557579238673617755.html

We know there are some white racist cops out there who shouldn’t be allowed to wear a badge and carry a gun. But it’s not the “plague” that too many liberals like Professor Dyson tell us it is. We’re tired of hearing that white cops are the problem, when it’s too much black crime that’s the real problem. And black crime is something liberals are not comfortable talking about.  Too many white liberals have become apologists for bad behavior among too many African Americans. If liberals truly cared about young black men they would march with signs that scream: Don’t Break the Law … Don’t Resist Arrest … and Never Ever Go for a Cop’s Gun.
2  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: And the TIME Person of the Year is.... on: December 12, 2014, 02:18:03 am
Honestly, besides the obvious choices (Putin, Ebola Fighters) you could make a case for ISIS as a group (Al Baghdadi doesn't really have the charisma Bin Laden did), Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and Angela Merkel.

How in the hell does Hillary or Warren influence 2014? They had zero impact. One of them isn't even in office. Seriously?
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Mideast Voting Booth: Protecting People From Explosives Amendment on: December 12, 2014, 02:12:59 am
Nay
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What are your ten most played songs? on: December 10, 2014, 03:23:18 pm
Just what it says above. What are your ten most played songs in your media player of choice?

1. Working on the Highway - Bruce Springsteen
2. Thunder Road - Bruce Springsteen
3. Cover Me - Bruce Springsteen
4. Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye - Dropkick Murphys
5. Night - Bruce Springsteen
6. Downbound Train - Bruce Springsteen
7. I'm on Fire - Bruce Springsteen
8. Tenth Avenue Freeze Out - Bruce Springsteen
9. Spanish Bombs - The Clash
10. Bobby Jean - Bruce Springsteen

...For some reason I thought there would be more variety here than there actually is. Oh well.

Great songs, especially Night. Very underrated.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Washington Post: Santorum is running in 2016 on: December 10, 2014, 03:49:10 am
I voted for him last time, but I am unsure who I would vote for at this point. I am not committed to any particular candidate yet.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pros and Cons of a Hillary Clinton/ Elizabeth Warren ticket on: December 09, 2014, 09:36:14 pm
Men generally go for the Republican anyways, but damn would this be a huge gender gap.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Reaganfan on: December 05, 2014, 02:28:23 pm
It's a privately shared unlisted video with the forum and doesn't list your first name.

Relax.

Still I dont want that shared. Quite frankly the fact that I don't have it and Joe Republic does after almost 11 years is strange.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Reaganfan on: December 05, 2014, 02:20:53 pm

I want that video removed. I haven't even seen that in a decade. You guys take a 15 yr old kid fooling around almost 11 years ago and make it like it's a big thing. I also ask that people quit using my last name.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you using your full name openly on this forum at some point?

Yeah but I don't anymore. I go by Reaganfan.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Reaganfan on: December 05, 2014, 02:13:29 pm

I want that video removed. I haven't even seen that in a decade. You guys take a 15 yr old kid fooling around almost 11 years ago and make it like it's a big thing. I also ask that people quit using my last name.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 12-year-old Shot Dead by Police on: December 05, 2014, 01:51:57 am
Yes, I see twelve year old children with toy guns as innocent. Because I'm not a sociopathic fascist.

You keep repeating that these monsters are "trained" to do such a thing. I don't care that he's trained to murder children. That doesn't make him any less guilty of murdering children.

But the 911 call didn't say "12 year old child with a toy" it said, "We have a black man waving a gun".

No, the 911 caller literally said the gun was "probably fake."

I know, but you still can't task the risk.



CLEVELAND (AP) — The U.S. Justice Department and Cleveland reached an agreement Thursday to overhaul the city's police department after federal investigators concluded that officers use excessive and unnecessary force far too often and have endangered the public and their fellow officers with their recklessness.

http://news.yahoo.com/holder-issue-details-cleveland-police-probe-162038015.html

Ahem........Michael?

I don't control those decisions, silly. LOL

But if you did, you would literally not change a single thing?

Ehhh it does seem to be getting a little outta hand. Too militarized for my liking, but that's just me.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 12-year-old Shot Dead by Police on: December 05, 2014, 12:46:41 am
Yes, I see twelve year old children with toy guns as innocent. Because I'm not a sociopathic fascist.

You keep repeating that these monsters are "trained" to do such a thing. I don't care that he's trained to murder children. That doesn't make him any less guilty of murdering children.

But the 911 call didn't say "12 year old child with a toy" it said, "We have a black man waving a gun".

No, the 911 caller literally said the gun was "probably fake."

I know, but you still can't task the risk.



CLEVELAND (AP) — The U.S. Justice Department and Cleveland reached an agreement Thursday to overhaul the city's police department after federal investigators concluded that officers use excessive and unnecessary force far too often and have endangered the public and their fellow officers with their recklessness.

http://news.yahoo.com/holder-issue-details-cleveland-police-probe-162038015.html

Ahem........Michael?

I don't control those decisions, silly. LOL
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I got owned by my aunt at Thanksgiving on: November 29, 2014, 06:18:47 am
So you ate food, watched Disney movies and got your sack fondled by a hot chick? Without the kidney stones, you had a memorable Thanksgiving.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Mike Huckabee versus Hillary Clinton: Who would you vote for? on: November 29, 2014, 01:47:52 am
Huckabee
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Mulls Not Inviting Obama to Give State of the Union on: November 26, 2014, 04:03:20 pm
But we're winning Smiley

Gov. Rick Scott haha
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 26, 2014, 03:08:25 pm
I'm going to tell you something, as someone who was trained on weapons in combat during military training. Do you think that those who are the trainers think any differently than me? Do you think a liberal educator from Berkeley is training police officers? No. It's probably some fat gray haired guy with a mustache who was driving around town as a patrolman when Jimmy Carter was President. They aren't training police officers to use restraint, they're training them to eliminate threats.

Yes. I believe a systemic problem is systemic. Thanks for asking.

To avoid lumping me in, I think the officer acted according to procedure and should not be prosecuted in this case. But the procedure is wrong.

I've heard liberals say things during the last 48 hrs up to and including "the cop should have been the one to back down."

Do they realize what they're saying or is it anger?
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 26, 2014, 01:48:53 pm
Its one thing to shoot someone, surely quite another to empty your clip into him? Right? I mean this strikes me as a not unimportant point here.

That's another thing that liberals don't understand.

Many many times, in shooting situations whether it was cop vs criminal or civilian vs. criminal, what we have seen is where a person says they fired three shots when they might have fired as many as ten. This comes from the "survival" instinct where your mind doesn't accurately record how many times you squeeze the trigger.

Besides that, if the criminal kept coming at the officer, the officer has just cause to keep firing.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 26, 2014, 01:44:57 pm
What's it matter whether Michael Brown was a "bad guy"? Even if he were, I've not seen any legitimate argument for why deadly force was in any way reasonable.

Absolutely incorrect. You have an angry, hostile, 6 ft 3 inches 300 lb man punching a cop and grabbing at his gun, deadly force is authorized. There isn't a single criminal attorney would could have taken this case and had a prayer.

18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 26, 2014, 01:37:31 pm
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-contributor-dont-make-bad-guy-michael-brown-into-civil-rights-martyr/

Bernie Goldberg brought up how some journalists and activists have been discussing the civil rights angle in Ferguson, and he rather adamantly said that Ferguson isn’t Selma, it’s 2014, not 1965, and Michael Brown is not an innocent like Emmett Till or Medgar Evars:

    “He brought about his own demise. It’s a tragedy when any 18-year-old kid is killed, and especially for the parents… but Michael Brown was the bad guy in this case, and please, America, let’s not turn this kind into some kind of civil rights martyr because that he is not.”

Goldberg added that there is an “ugly racial history” in the United States, but the media does not want an honest discussion about race issues, they want a politically correct one.

This is it right here. Goldberg hit the nail on the head.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans favor immigration executive action, 67-28 on: November 26, 2014, 02:37:41 am
It's a very Democratic pollster FYI

The survey was conducted for Americans United for Change, a pro-Democratic group.

Correct.

Quinnipiac just came out with a new poll yesterday and they show a 45-48 split.

Quote
American voters are divided on whether President Barack Obama should take action to address the immigration issue if Congress fails to act, as 45 percent say the president should issue an executive order while 48 percent say he should not, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.

At the same time, support for immigrants is at its lowest level ever measured by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll. Offered three choices on what to do about illegal immigrants:

48 percent of American voters say they should be allowed to stay, with a path to citizenship, down from 57 percent November 13, 2013, and the lowest this number ever has been;

11 percent say immigrants should be allowed to stay, but not be allowed to apply for citizenship, consistent with previous surveys;

35 percent say illegal immigrants should be required to leave the U.S., up from 26 percent 12 months ago and higher than this number ever has been.

There is a wide gender gap on Obama's action, as women support it 50 - 39 percent, while men oppose it 57 - 39 percent. Support is 59 - 33 percent among voters 18 to 29 years old, but drops among older voters, with voters over 65 years old opposed 53 - 36 percent.

Democrats support Obama's immigration move 74 - 18 percent, with opposition at 75 - 20 percent among Republicans and 51 - 40 percent among independent voters.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2115

That made me chuckle.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans favor immigration executive action, 67-28 on: November 26, 2014, 02:21:05 am
Obama already only won 39% of white people. If Democrats keep this up, they will become known solely as the party of minorities. Doesn't that worry you even a bit?

That sounds better than getting 8% of blacks, but either way, I don't think Democrats are worried about a perceived connection to minorities.  LMAO.

I didn't say that. You are missing my point.

IF you take away all minority voters, you realize that the Democrats who are damn near out of business in many parts of the country would be even WORSE off than they are today. If only whites voted, Mitt Romney would have won 46 states.

Doesn't that bug you at all, that there is a chance of a massive white backlash beyond 1994, 2010 and 2014? What if the Democratic nominee ended up with only 20% of the white vote in 2016? That was my question, you aren't bothered by that?

I'm not really bothered by that because outside of your fantasies, minorities will continue to exist.

If you're asking me if I am personally troubled as to how whites are now voting, yes, but probably for different reasons than you.

I mean, it's been said that midterm elections keep swaying towards the Republicans more and more because they're an older, whiter electorate. But older and whiter didn't used to mean more Republican.

What did the Democratic Party do so bad to piss off the largest demographic in the entire country?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans favor immigration executive action, 67-28 on: November 26, 2014, 02:14:24 am
Obama already only won 39% of white people. If Democrats keep this up, they will become known solely as the party of minorities. Doesn't that worry you even a bit?

That sounds better than getting 8% of blacks, but either way, I don't think Democrats are worried about a perceived connection to minorities.  LMAO.

I didn't say that. You are missing my point.

IF you take away all minority voters, you realize that the Democrats who are damn near out of business in many parts of the country would be even WORSE off than they are today. If only whites voted, Mitt Romney would have won 46 states. If only whites voted, no more Mark Warner. We'd have Senator Scott Brown. You realize that all of the eggs are in one basket.

Doesn't that bug you at all, that there is a chance of a massive white backlash beyond 1994, 2010 and 2014? What if the Democratic nominee ended up with only 20% of the white vote in 2016? That was my question, you aren't bothered by that?
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans favor immigration executive action, 67-28 on: November 26, 2014, 02:09:32 am
The bigger issue is how it will play out in 2016.  Will reversing Obama's order 'on day one' be a litmus test for GOP primary? And will vowing to ramp up deportations be a liability for the general? That is the big game here.
What Obama and the Democrats are banking on is:

A).  This will be a litmus test issue for the GOP in the 2016 primaries.
B). Hispanics will be extremely in favor of the executive action, and will be highly motivated to turn out because of it.
C). While a majority of the general population may oppose it, it won't be the deciding factor for many people outside of the Hispanic community.   Conservatives may be motivated to turn out by it, but conservative turnout is already sky high, so that will have a limited effect.

Its interesting how much question wording effects the outcome.  My guess is that how public opinion eventually falls will depend a lot on how the debate unfolds.

Obama already only won 39% of white people. If Democrats keep this up, they will become known solely as the party of minorities. Doesn't that worry you even a bit?
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement tonight) on: November 26, 2014, 01:21:09 am
You know, black-white relationships isn't the reason why he wasn't indicted.

In Quebec, we had various issues of policemen shooting on people without reason or speeding without reason, crashing into cars and killing people. Guess what? No indictments, even if both the policeman and the victim were very white. Police and prosecutors cover each other. Thankfully, Quebec gets a reform of that next year (well, the reform is done, but there is normal delays, you can't create a new structure the day the bill passes).

Yes, they were. You don't understand how the criminal justice system works in the United States.

I understand well. It's the "police-prosecutor-(sometimes private prisons)" establishment vs. weak people not being able to defend themselves from law abuses. Most black people are part of the latter, but they're not alone in that latter group.

The prosecutor is supposed to prosecute. But I guess the son of a white cop killed by a black man is going to side with the white cops 100% of the time. This isn't the first time his racist has come out.

https://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/killed-robert-mccullochs-father

Even had this gone to trial, the general agreement is that there was no way in hell they would have found the officer guilty.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: IL Gov- Is Rauner completely cooked, or is there any hope? on: November 26, 2014, 12:30:41 am
I like Rauner.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 25, 2014, 08:56:58 pm
Well at least we gave Naso's side a good whupping in the Civil War.

Would you say we spanked 'em?

Because everyone in the CSA was a political conservative and everyone in the North was a political liberal.  God, I swear you guys are all like 19 and have only taken a basic high school American history class when it comes to the Civil War.  You all sound really ignorant equating the Union with liberalism, it's the most laughably hackish thing I see here.

Bernie Goldberg just made a great point that the media and liberals are falsely trying to make this an issue about Civil Rights. It's not. As he just said on Fox News, "Ferguson is not Selma, it's 2014 and not 1965, and Michael Brown is not Emmett Till."

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