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526  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 10, 2012, 10:33:51 am
The Israeli government is horrible only for not doing the things recommended by this commission already. I just hope Bibi grows a spine and follows the recommendations of the commission.
527  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: LGBT poll in Canada on: July 10, 2012, 10:29:51 am
The latter is more surprising, considering I thought that many gays were well off, because they are less likely to have children to support. But, I suppose this is based on circumstantial evidence of some of the gays I know)


I assume this because LGBT in the study are much younger than the population, and younger people are generally poorer.
528  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Yitzhak Shamir dead at 96 on: July 02, 2012, 01:31:08 pm
RIP, one of Israel's better leaders.
529  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Countries where the same leaders run, even after losing on: July 02, 2012, 01:20:20 pm
This is the norm in Israel, In fact this even happens after a PM resigns because of a scandal (Rabin) or losing the confidence of parliament (Barak).
530  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Do you have a soul? on: July 02, 2012, 12:42:22 pm
No, I have a body with a brain.
531  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: On Fox News, Sarah Palin loses her mind and moves into full troll mode on: July 02, 2012, 12:26:07 pm
weren't fox news the ones complaining that 50% of the country don't pay taxes? If that is the case then Obama should be OK in November.
532  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What percentage of zionists are racist/fascist/bigoted? on: June 28, 2012, 11:27:49 am

people have a tendency of seeing people they disagree with as being racists/fascists/bigots. Since I assume your an anti-Zionist it makes sense for you to see Zionists as in that way.
533  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Asians surpass Hispanics as largest new immigrant group on: June 21, 2012, 07:43:37 am
Note that Thailand doesn't even register there - they don't want to leave, or after a taste of the USA for a few years, usually come back in horror.

The list is only of the 6 largest groups, they could have added more groups and then they would register. Also, There are reasons other than lack of desire for the lack of immigrants. In Israel Thai's are brought in specifically to pick fruit in hothouses, a hard and not well paying job (by Israeli standards).
534  General Politics / Economics / Re: Those Lazy Greeks? on: June 19, 2012, 04:12:02 am
This doesn't really show much. Laziness is about doing less actual work rather than less time. For example if you spend half your work time randomly browsing the internet then you're not actually working any harder than someone working half the time who actually spends all that time working.
535  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Euro 2012 - Official Discussion Thread on: June 12, 2012, 03:01:48 pm
Great goal from Poland, 1-1 now.
536  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Israel opinion poll thread on: June 04, 2012, 05:31:16 am
New poll from globes:

Likud: 33
Labour: 19
Yisrael Beitenu: 14
Shas: 8
Future: 8
Kadima: 7
UTJ: 6
National Union: 4
Jewish Home: 4
Meretz: 4
Hadash: 4
Balad: 4
UAL-TAAL: 3
Independence: 2

Relatively Better for Kadima and worse for Lapid.
537  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Obama's war crimes on: June 01, 2012, 06:42:39 pm
The Obama administration's continued and increased use of drone strikes has left many innocent civilians dead.

Is this not a war crime? Should he not pe prosecuted under international law for knowingly killing civilians and continuing the policy regardless?

What makes it a war crime?  The fact that civilians have been killed?  Isn't it only a war crime if civilians are targeted on purpose?  Otherwise wouldn't virtually every bombing campaign in history count as a "war crime"?


So you can continuously kill civilians as long as you promise it was an accident, over and over, for years and years?

Sounds ridiculous

If you have a military target in mind than yes. If the very fact that civilians die during wars would make it a war crime, than all wars would be war crime, since civilians always die in wars.
538  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Female soldiers sue over ban on women in combat on: May 30, 2012, 07:21:22 pm
What do the Israelis do?

Allow women in combat.
539  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 27, 2012, 06:40:44 am
Fukk. I just wrote a giant post with my proposed Israel-Palestine boundary and a reply to some of the posters here, particularly Cory, who I think is being outright -- dare I say it? -- anti-Semitic, and Torie, who I usually agree with, who has some more reasonable concerns and with whom I also disagree.

I disagree with cory of course, but I don't see anything anti-Semitic about anything he wrote.
540  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 26, 2012, 05:34:07 pm
The State of Israel: Lookin' for a handout.

Seriously, Israel is like that little kid who starts fights knowing his big brother will intervene to save his ass. One of these days Israel will reap what she has sown.

It's the US that likes to bring in allies to fight its wars for them, Israel fights its wars alone.
541  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 26, 2012, 05:43:13 am
As I said, status quo I think may be the dirty little secret with respect to the West Bank side.

BTW, my dearest Torie, we lack a Palestinian here to enlighten us on dreams and sensibilities of that community. But we have an Israeli Jew, who has been kind enough to confirm my point. Notice, though we are on the opposite sides of the moral wall w/ danny, we agree on the descriptive substance: there is little in the status quo that offends at least this citizen of Israel, and there is no real desire to explore alternatives - nor any horror at the possibility of the "radical solution", as long as his side is doing the solving.

Now, I have no doubt that it wouldn't be hard to find similar points of view on the other side - though they are likely to lack in the English department. And that point of view, of course, would be equally horrifying from my standpoint. But is there really an asymmetry here between the sides, except in terms of the actual strength and formal educational attainment?

I represent my opinion, not that of the community. As the saying goes: "for every two Jews there are three opinions".

And it isn't that I think the status quo is a great solution, but it is the best we currently have. The perfect solution would involve neither side wanting to harm the other, and if that were the case than any deal would be fine, and both a two state and one state would work, but I see no way of reaching this.
542  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 26, 2012, 05:06:02 am
Just so my moral position is clear.

There are two currents in understanding Jewish history, based on two distinct interpretations of the sight of a uniformed policeman cutting the beard of a strangely dressed darkish guy with a funny accent. More specifically, the point of disagreement is, who is the Jew in that picture: the cutter, or the cuttee. For me, it is the latter - and that is at the root of my disagreement w/ modern Zionism. I don't really know what was happening where at the time of King David, but I do know the last 1000 years of the Jewish history too well. And, unlike the Zionists, I choose not to despise it.

The modern Western sensibility, at least one hopes, has incorporated this respect to the European Jewish sacrifice. Israeli mainstream, especially on the right, has betrayed it. Hence the archaic love of the uniformed guy w/ the big gun and the supreme cult of the God of War. And these people claim to be Jewish?

There is no such thing as a Jewish ispravnik - putting on that uniform is the true baptism, true betrayal.

I see no great morality in being beaten and killed. What I do believe in is "haba lehorgecha hashkem lehorgo"(if someone comes to kill you, go and kill him first).

Maybe you have some nostalgic ideas about how great it is to be beaten and killed, but I do not, and I don't think the Jews at the time were especially happy with their condition at the time.
543  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 26, 2012, 04:41:18 am
I don't think this is necessarily true, the status quo can continue longer than people think. But in any case, better us than them.

After a while, the demand for a Palestinian state will be gone - too unrealistic (it's becoming less realistic w/ every day). It will be replaced w/ a demand for equality. And that's a lot more dangerous for you. Because, unless you sastisfy that demand, that will mean not only the final and very drastic break w/ the (broad) West, but also decisive abandonment of the idea of the "Jewish democratic" state (not that you yourself will care at that point).  

At some point, a new Palestinian uprising will start - and you will find yourselves true pariahs in the world, Israeli state delegitimized. At that point, your logic: "better us, then them" will come into play - restraints of modernity, domestic and international respectability long since gone. In fact, you are a perfect exhibit, my best argument why this will indeed happen.

The problem will be: it won't be "us or them" - it will be "us and them".

Yes, the left in Israel is always predicting terrible things to happen if we don't quickly give up everything to the Palestinians, and they have been doing this for awhile. And yet, this doesn't seem to happen. They also say that great things will be if do make deals and leave land, and yet when we do this, violence ensues (Oslo accords,South Lebanon, Gaza disengagement).

I am more interested in reaching peace than peace deals. If the latter doesn't lead to the former, then they are making things worse rather than better.
544  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 25, 2012, 08:52:45 pm
It's true that they can't actually carry this out in full but this is what suicide bombings are meant to do, and the more they are capable of doing this the more they will do this. Which is why I think negotiations, peace treaties and the concessions that come with them are counter-productive and just lead to more fighting.

They can't. But you can. And, unless you seriously engage in negotiations, peace treaties and the rest, you, eventually, will try.

I don't think this is necessarily true, the status quo can continue longer than people think. But in any case, better us than them.
545  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 25, 2012, 08:41:12 pm
... it is extremely unlikely that many would be happy about mass deportation or extermination.

I disagree, I think this is quite a popular opinion, and one that wouldn't simply go away even if they did get a state.

Have no doubt, it's popular in Israel. And, yes, I mean it Sad

Now, to be clear, I got what you, actually, meant. And, of course, you also have a point. Except that  that, given the relative strength of the parties, it is not at all likely to go beyond sick fantasies.

It's true that they can't actually carry this out in full but this is what suicide bombings are meant to do, and the more they are capable of doing this the more they will do this. Which is why I think negotiations, peace treaties and the concessions that come with them are counter-productive and just lead to more fighting.
546  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 25, 2012, 06:41:28 pm
... it is extremely unlikely that many would be happy about mass deportation or extermination.

I disagree, I think this is quite a popular opinion, and one that wouldn't simply go away even if they did get a state.
547  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Christian hardcore on: May 22, 2012, 02:22:24 pm
Never heard of Christian hardcore, but I dislike both Christianity and hardcore.
548  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mississippi lawmaker cites Bible passage that calls for gays to be put to death on: May 22, 2012, 05:07:04 am
The punishments mentioned in the Bible no longer apply.

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Impaled high above the cross the sins of the world pour out from your hands and feet. Mocked and defiled, embedded in your head are thorns. This is love. Lord, I am eternally grateful. My heart is all I have to give. Now religion has destroyed. This was never how things were meant to be. We are no longer bound by the law. In his blood we find freedom. We are saved by grace. So give me peace through these times of struggle, and hope through these times of despair. Give me the heart of a servant, so I may worship with all of my life. Your religion is dead, but Jesus, you give life. This is my purpose: to live for your glory. Lord, I give you praise. You died for me, I will live for you. I would give my life for this.


The New Testament is also homophobic so I'm not sure how useful this is as a defence of gays.
549  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: OK: SoonerPoll: Romney with a chance at 70% in Oklahoma on: May 22, 2012, 02:25:14 am
The part about Democrats seems doubtful--OK has blacks, and Obama did much better with them in 2008. The final margin will likely be anywhere from 62% Romney (a significant improvement from 2008) to 67% Romney (good year)
Only 7% black.

There are more Native Americans than blacks.

A group which is just as Democratic as blacks.

Not in Oklahoma.
550  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: OK: SoonerPoll: Romney with a chance at 70% in Oklahoma on: May 21, 2012, 03:57:58 pm
The part about Democrats seems doubtful--OK has blacks, and Obama did much better with them in 2008. The final margin will likely be anywhere from 62% Romney (a significant improvement from 2008) to 67% Romney (good year)
Only 7% black.
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