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526  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Young Hispanics Leaving Catholic Church for Protestant Faith on: February 28, 2013, 08:24:44 am
The survey says the number of Protestant Hispanics by age group are as follows

18-29 29%
30-49 27%
50-64 27%
65+   27%

You can hardly say that a 2% difference really demonstrates any huge movement or trend

The figures for 'None's' are

18-29 20%
30-49 14%
50-64 10%
65+     9%

Such a movement is much more impressive Cheesy


This, the article isn't an accurate reflection of the poll it was based on, which makes all the analysis pointless.
527  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Italy 2013 official results thread on: February 26, 2013, 01:23:29 am
The Senate is so ridiculous... The left leads by 280,000 but still gets less seats than the right among the "core" regions...

Italy's regional map seems to be a natural gerrymander, with regions won by the right totaling 164 seats while those won by the left only have 144. And even then, Piemonte, Molise and FVG were won below the left's national margin of victory, so it's actually 195 to 113. And then you Americans complain about the Electoral College... Tongue

And that is the more representative house of parliament...
528  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Italy 2013 official results thread on: February 25, 2013, 11:12:03 pm
Results from Israelis in Italy:

PdL - 54.9%
PD - 23.1%
Monti -  18.8%
M5S - 3.1%


Israelis love Silvio...
529  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Overrated movies. on: February 21, 2013, 09:09:44 pm
The fact that Avatar got nominated for Best Picture is mind boggling.

I don't think Avatar is that great, but there are plenty of Oscar nominees that are worse, It's just easy to pick on Avatar because it made so much money.
530  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Overrated movies. on: February 20, 2013, 02:39:15 pm
Star Wars and Citizen Kane.
531  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: February 20, 2013, 11:24:23 am

Quite the opposite, He better hope Livni can't magically create peace, if she does this could cause him some trouble.

That would be easy to achieve.  Even if somehow she winds up in charge of some negotiations (not likely in the first place), a determined boss doesn't have to do much to ensure that the subordinate fails miserably (it would be enough to intimate to the other side, in private, that Livni is not authorized to represent anyone, but herself - and doing it without providing anyone with the smoking gun isn't hard either). Push comes to shove, a "targeted" bombing of somebody somewhere, or a few new houses on the territories, will do the trick admirably.0

In any case. That Netaniyahu would rather hang himself (and so would most of his voters), than conclude a peace agreement, is too much of a common knowledge.  Livni can't be such an idiot to even try. If she goes into this government, it is not to do miracles.

Livni being in charge of negotiations was part of the agreement. And I think Bibi would personally like to reach an agreement, but doing so would require pulling a "Sharon", which I don't think he would be willing to do.
532  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: February 19, 2013, 10:13:32 pm
I'd seen it reported but I didn't believe it. It just makes no ideological sense.

Israeli governments rarely do.


Where does Netanyahu go from now? Likud-Shas-UTJ-Livni is still short of a majority.

Labor?

So he gives Livni control over diplomatic issues and Yacimovich control over economic ones. What's left for Likud?
He's still going to need Yesh Atid and Jewish Home.

The only thing he'll be strongly conservative on is continued coddling of the ultra-Orthodox and that's unpopular with the public at large and helps Shas much more than it helps Likud.

He'd better hope he magically creates peace, otherwise how is he going to survive as Likud leader? How will Likud survive the next election?

Quite the opposite, He better hope Livni can't magically create peace, if she does this could cause him some trouble.
533  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: February 19, 2013, 10:03:05 pm
Remember that Peretz left Labor because they wouldn't come out categorically against joining Netanyahu while Livni would.

That always a personal problem with Shelly rather than an ideological one.
534  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: February 19, 2013, 09:07:37 pm
Deal went through.

This is insane.

Why?

Everyone was expecting her to join the government for a while now.
535  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politico:Rep. Steve Cohen tweet reveals secret daughter on: February 16, 2013, 07:40:37 am
It seems like a strange thing to do on a public twitter, but I don't see a story here.
536  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Iceland may ban internet porn on: February 16, 2013, 07:31:26 am
Terrible.

Quote
And two years ago, the nation's parliament banned strip clubs, saying they violate the rights of the women who work in them.

The opposite is true, it's banning the strip clubs that violate the rights of the women who work in them.
537  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Horsemeat scandal on: February 09, 2013, 05:46:01 pm
As far as I know, there's nothing worse about horse meat, so I really don't think there is much reason for such a huge fuss. If I found out I was getting horse meat I wouldn't be bothered.
538  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: February 05, 2013, 05:54:52 pm
Interesting, are you planning on doing any more of these maps?
539  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Civil War in Syria on: February 04, 2013, 07:29:30 pm
Surprisingly, Turkey is accusing Israel of "state terrorism" for bombing Syria:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/02/20132317737493423.html

You mean "surprisingly", right?
That's what I wrote.

And it is surprising since Turkey has sent some artillery fire into Syria, and seem to want a military intervention. Yet they call Israel a sponsor of state terrorism for bombing them too...


Obviously this is politics, the current Turkish government hate Israel so they say these things. In the same way, Turkey calls what Israel does to the Palestinians genocide, even in cases that are minor compared to what the Turks do to the Kurds. That is just the way politics work, and it isn't even remotely surprising if you follow the news.
540  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Civil War in Syria on: February 03, 2013, 06:03:53 pm
Surprisingly, Turkey is accusing Israel of "state terrorism" for bombing Syria:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/02/20132317737493423.html

You mean "surprisingly", right?
541  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Civil War in Syria on: February 03, 2013, 08:38:39 am
Stability isn't necessarily a good thing, North Korea is currently a very stable hellhole. I actually think Libya has gotten better even though it has become less stable.
542  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 31, 2013, 09:52:43 am

So when will we know about cabinet posts and jazz like that?

Theoretically, the deadline for the formation of a new government is 20/3, but it will probably take less than that.

And here is the first post election poll from mako:

Yesh Atid - 27
Likud Beitenu- 25
JH-NU - 15
Labour - 12
Shas - 9
UTJ - 7
Meretz - 7
The Movement - 4
Hadash - 4
Raam-Taal - 2
Balad -2
Otzma- 2
Kadima - 2
Am Shalem - 2

If Lapid manages to maintain his popularity, the next elections could be interesting.
543  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 27, 2013, 02:45:58 pm
Thinking of doing another set of maps, but grouping parties into functional blocks or something like that. Thinking as much as 'where the votes came from' as much else, if that makes sense. Provisional...

Right - Likud-Beiteinu, Jewish Home, Otzma LeYisrael (34.2%, 43 seats)
Left - Labor, Hatnuah, Meretz (20.9%, 27 seats)
Centre - Yesh Atid, Kadima, Ale Yarok* (17.6%, 21 seats)
Haredim - Shas, UTJ, Am Shelam (15.1%, 18 seats)
Arab - UAL, Hadash, Balad (9.2%, 11 seats)

Comments/criticism welcome/probably needed.

*I guess? Could always drop them completely, of course.

Ale Yarok is fine in the sense that it is normal for parties without much of an opinion on left/right issues to be considered centre.

You could also add Eretz Hadasha to the Left and Koach Lehashpia to the Haredi.

Also, while I don't have a problem with this, Shelly and Livni would disagree, as they don't like being called left.
544  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 27, 2013, 09:06:52 am
Danny, do you know if Tzipi Hotovely supports civil marriage?

She is against, but isn't opposed to Israel's domestic partnership equivalent (which includes gays).
545  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 25, 2013, 10:22:05 pm
Largely for my own amusement, and because I could because I had taken down the preliminary figures, I calculated the parties' percentages of the "envelope vote" (I'm sure I could have found this somewhere, too. Grin ) Oh yeah, because I hadn't taken down the others' preliminary raw vote - only their combined percentage, 6.99% - these numbers are technically estimated but the rounding errors shouldn't exceed a point here or there.

Likud 24.79% (vs 23.19 day for a total of 23.32)
Lapid 16.71 (14.19, 14.32)
Bennett 15.24 (8.76, 9.12)
Labour 10.57 (11.45, 11.39)
Shas 7.39 (8.83, 8.75)
Livni 4.37 (5.02, 4.99)
Meretz 3.89 (4.59, 4.54)
UTJ 2.88 (5.31, 5.17)
Kadima 2.24 (2.09, 2.10)
UAL 1.20 (3.80, 3.65)
Hadash 0.91 (3.12, 3.00)
Balad 0.76 (2.66, 2.56)
other 9.04 (6.99, 7.10)


Here are the actual double envelope results.

I'm shocked Balad got .66% of those votes. Trollin'?

Double envelope is not only soldiers, it includes diplomats, hospital patients, and probably most important in this case, prisoners.
546  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 25, 2013, 02:01:23 pm
Largely for my own amusement, and because I could because I had taken down the preliminary figures, I calculated the parties' percentages of the "envelope vote" (I'm sure I could have found this somewhere, too. Grin ) Oh yeah, because I hadn't taken down the others' preliminary raw vote - only their combined percentage, 6.99% - these numbers are technically estimated but the rounding errors shouldn't exceed a point here or there.

Likud 24.79% (vs 23.19 day for a total of 23.32)
Lapid 16.71 (14.19, 14.32)
Bennett 15.24 (8.76, 9.12)
Labour 10.57 (11.45, 11.39)
Shas 7.39 (8.83, 8.75)
Livni 4.37 (5.02, 4.99)
Meretz 3.89 (4.59, 4.54)
UTJ 2.88 (5.31, 5.17)
Kadima 2.24 (2.09, 2.10)
UAL 1.20 (3.80, 3.65)
Hadash 0.91 (3.12, 3.00)
Balad 0.76 (2.66, 2.56)
other 9.04 (6.99, 7.10)


Here are the actual double envelope results.
547  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 25, 2013, 06:09:36 am
Hey Danny, I had some hard accident last week so using my hands is a bit hard (this is why I made my lovely sister type this). Can you post a tel aviv only map divided to districts?

Hope you get better.

As for a map, just zoom in to this one.
548  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 25, 2013, 04:14:37 am
My polling place:

Jewish Home: 20.3%
Likud: 19%
UTJ: 13.3%
Labour: 10.9%
Shas: 9.1%
Yes Atid: 8.3%
Meretz: 5.2%
Am Shalem: 2.9%
Kadima: 2.1%

Same place in 2009:

Likud: 24.5%
Kadima: 16.3%
Labour: 13.2%
National Union: 10.7%
Jewish Home: 8.7%
Meretz: 5.6%
Yisrael Beitenu: 5.1%
Shas: 4.8%
UTJ: 3.9%
Green Movement: 2%
549  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 25, 2013, 04:09:07 am
I don't pay too much attention to these reports as they are full of political spins.
550  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Israeli General Election 2013 on: January 24, 2013, 07:15:28 pm
I don't know about the settlements, but I do know that amongst the double envelope votes mostly soldiers), Ale Yarok got 4%. They also get a high percent in certain specific rural places, like kadita for example where they got 18%.
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