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526  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 12, 2012, 05:47:37 pm
I oppose international law on principle, regardless of how it applies to Israel, and the Palestinians certainly have no problem breaking international law anyway.

Of course. As international law shouldn't apply to the superior "chosen ones", does it?

No, it shouldn't apply to anyone.
527  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 12, 2012, 05:24:04 pm
The Israeli government forces many Arabs to carry IDs that Israelis don't need,
What is this referring to?

they build Israeli homes in territory that they themselves promised to the Palestinians,

We did? What is it that we promised?

they have created a de facto police state society,

We have? I live here and this is news to me.
528  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 12, 2012, 04:10:23 pm
I am opposed to all international law anyway,so it seems a silly point to argue.

Of course, since international law is an inconvenience for the state of Israel.

I oppose international law on principle, regardless of how it applies to Israel, and the Palestinians certainly have no problem breaking international law anyway.
529  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 12, 2012, 01:23:14 pm

Are you disputing the 'ruling over it' part or the 'not previously yours' part or both?

The land in question was never the Palestinian's in the first, it was conquered from two countries who have both renounced any claims to the land, so in that sense there is no one is being occupied, since it wasn't anyone's land in the first place.

Having said that, there are a group of people who live on the land who consider themselves to be a nation, and the land theirs. We could call this an occupation against them, however, I still think that it is justified.

Not so.  From Article 22 of the Treaty of Versailles.  "Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone."

Palestine was established as a Class A mandate under this provision, and as far as international law is concerned, the recognition of the nation of Palestine dates to 1 July 1920, when the British transferred control from a military to a civil administration.

Israel itself could count as the independent nation.

And anyway, I don't really care about the agreements different colonial powers made amongst themselves 90 years ago, and as I previously stated, I am opposed to all international law anyway,so it seems a silly point to argue.
530  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Israel opinion poll thread on: July 12, 2012, 09:55:58 am
New poll by channel 10:

Likud- 29
Labour- 17
Yisrael Beitenu- 15
Kadima- 10
Future- 10
Shas- 9
UTJ- 6
Meretz- 4
Hadash- 4
Jewish Home- 3
National Union- 3
UAL- 3
Balad- 3
Aryeh Deri- 2
Independence- 2
531  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 12, 2012, 08:56:12 am

Are you disputing the 'ruling over it' part or the 'not previously yours' part or both?

The land in question was never the Palestinian's in the first, it was conquered from two countries who have both renounced any claims to the land, so in that sense there is no one is being occupied, since it wasn't anyone's land in the first place.

Having said that, there are a group of people who live on the land who consider themselves to be a nation, and the land theirs. We could call this an occupation against them, however, I still think that it is justified.
532  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 12, 2012, 08:38:33 am

...what was Palestine.

Really? when was this?

The Palestinians through suicide attacks are only resisting the extermination of their people.

How do these suicide attacks actually prevent Israel from doing anything to the Palestinians?

The Israeli occupation of Palestine is equivalent to the white American destruction  of the Native Americans.

Are you Native American?

If not, then why are you still occupying native land?
If you are, then why are you not resisting resisting the occupation of your land via suicide bombing?
533  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Official Third Nolan Batman Thread) on: July 11, 2012, 04:34:09 pm
Will this be in 3D? I know Nolan, like any sane person, hates 3D movies, but if it wants to break The Avengers record it almost has to be.

It won't be.
534  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 11, 2012, 04:32:04 pm
The Israeli government is horrible only for not doing the things recommended by this commission already. I just hope Bibi grows a spine and follows the recommendations of the commission.

And you people still wonder why the Palestinians hate you so much.

The Palestinian hate for us has very little to do with this.
535  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 11, 2012, 10:01:15 am


Rule of law, rule according to a higher law, or rule according to the law of nations don't do it for you? Also, what public? Certainly not that of the West Bank.


Rule of law- Yes, rule of law as legislated by an elected legislative branch.

Rule according to higher law- No, this is either a form of dictatorship by whomever gets to decide what higher law is, or just forcing a old laws on the population.

Rule according to the law of nations- I am against this.

Define 'to occupy', as you understand it.

Taking control of a territory that is not previously your's through force of arms and then ruling over it.
536  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 10, 2012, 12:10:52 pm
The Israeli government is horrible only for not doing the things recommended by this commission already. I just hope Bibi grows a spine and follows the recommendations of the commission.

Not a very high opinion of the legal, moral, and logical problems with the recommendations?

The committee thinks it is legal, but in any case, Laws should be changed to fit the wishes of the public (through elected officials) and that way made to fit in with government policy, not the other way round.

I think it is the logical and moral position, so no.
537  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: So apparently Israel isn't an occupying force in the West Bank on: July 10, 2012, 10:33:51 am
The Israeli government is horrible only for not doing the things recommended by this commission already. I just hope Bibi grows a spine and follows the recommendations of the commission.
538  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: LGBT poll in Canada on: July 10, 2012, 10:29:51 am
The latter is more surprising, considering I thought that many gays were well off, because they are less likely to have children to support. But, I suppose this is based on circumstantial evidence of some of the gays I know)


I assume this because LGBT in the study are much younger than the population, and younger people are generally poorer.
539  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Yitzhak Shamir dead at 96 on: July 02, 2012, 01:31:08 pm
RIP, one of Israel's better leaders.
540  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Countries where the same leaders run, even after losing on: July 02, 2012, 01:20:20 pm
This is the norm in Israel, In fact this even happens after a PM resigns because of a scandal (Rabin) or losing the confidence of parliament (Barak).
541  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Do you have a soul? on: July 02, 2012, 12:42:22 pm
No, I have a body with a brain.
542  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: On Fox News, Sarah Palin loses her mind and moves into full troll mode on: July 02, 2012, 12:26:07 pm
weren't fox news the ones complaining that 50% of the country don't pay taxes? If that is the case then Obama should be OK in November.
543  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What percentage of zionists are racist/fascist/bigoted? on: June 28, 2012, 11:27:49 am

people have a tendency of seeing people they disagree with as being racists/fascists/bigots. Since I assume your an anti-Zionist it makes sense for you to see Zionists as in that way.
544  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Asians surpass Hispanics as largest new immigrant group on: June 21, 2012, 07:43:37 am
Note that Thailand doesn't even register there - they don't want to leave, or after a taste of the USA for a few years, usually come back in horror.

The list is only of the 6 largest groups, they could have added more groups and then they would register. Also, There are reasons other than lack of desire for the lack of immigrants. In Israel Thai's are brought in specifically to pick fruit in hothouses, a hard and not well paying job (by Israeli standards).
545  General Politics / Economics / Re: Those Lazy Greeks? on: June 19, 2012, 04:12:02 am
This doesn't really show much. Laziness is about doing less actual work rather than less time. For example if you spend half your work time randomly browsing the internet then you're not actually working any harder than someone working half the time who actually spends all that time working.
546  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Euro 2012 - Official Discussion Thread on: June 12, 2012, 03:01:48 pm
Great goal from Poland, 1-1 now.
547  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Israel opinion poll thread on: June 04, 2012, 05:31:16 am
New poll from globes:

Likud: 33
Labour: 19
Yisrael Beitenu: 14
Shas: 8
Future: 8
Kadima: 7
UTJ: 6
National Union: 4
Jewish Home: 4
Meretz: 4
Hadash: 4
Balad: 4
UAL-TAAL: 3
Independence: 2

Relatively Better for Kadima and worse for Lapid.
548  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Obama's war crimes on: June 01, 2012, 06:42:39 pm
The Obama administration's continued and increased use of drone strikes has left many innocent civilians dead.

Is this not a war crime? Should he not pe prosecuted under international law for knowingly killing civilians and continuing the policy regardless?

What makes it a war crime?  The fact that civilians have been killed?  Isn't it only a war crime if civilians are targeted on purpose?  Otherwise wouldn't virtually every bombing campaign in history count as a "war crime"?


So you can continuously kill civilians as long as you promise it was an accident, over and over, for years and years?

Sounds ridiculous

If you have a military target in mind than yes. If the very fact that civilians die during wars would make it a war crime, than all wars would be war crime, since civilians always die in wars.
549  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Female soldiers sue over ban on women in combat on: May 30, 2012, 07:21:22 pm
What do the Israelis do?

Allow women in combat.
550  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Olmert: Jerusalem must be partitioned on: May 27, 2012, 06:40:44 am
Fukk. I just wrote a giant post with my proposed Israel-Palestine boundary and a reply to some of the posters here, particularly Cory, who I think is being outright -- dare I say it? -- anti-Semitic, and Torie, who I usually agree with, who has some more reasonable concerns and with whom I also disagree.

I disagree with cory of course, but I don't see anything anti-Semitic about anything he wrote.
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