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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Scott Brown: Warren should take DNA test to prove her Native heritage on: June 28, 2016, 08:15:34 pm
Trucky Brown should take an IQ test.  It might explain why he said his model Supreme Court Justice was Scalia during a DEBATE IN MASSACHUSETTS.  

Maybe he would start to understand why he keeps losing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabHdVMehsU
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald Trump has become born-again on: June 28, 2016, 02:10:22 am
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"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

--Matthew 7:15
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Nobody wants to speak at Trump's convention on: June 28, 2016, 01:39:06 am
I want Uncle Pat to reprise his 1992 Culture Wars speech. Smiley

It probably sounded better in the original German.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Donald Trump ran an openly sexist campaign... on: June 25, 2016, 06:15:02 am
We are taking as abortion as an illegal offense.  LOL, what kind of punishment do you think Trump was taking about?  Put women in the stocks?  Do you agree with Trump that women should face punishment?  What would that be exactly?
Illegal is not the same thing as criminal. Illegal immigration can be a rather serious offense, depending on the circumstances, but illegal immigration itself is not a crime. Additionally, pre-Roe v. Wade, state abortion laws held abortionists responsible, not the women. The main purpose of abortion laws is to reduce the number of abortions, and punishments are a means to an end. Should we punish women, who will have no more than one or two abortions in their lives, or abortionists, who make it their living to perform abortions? Punishing women serves only to publicly condemn them, and I think that condemnation and forgiveness are a matter solely between the woman and her creator, not government.

As for Trump's disapproval ratings with women, there are many reasons for that. A major part of it is Trump's rhetoric, but I wouldn't say he is running a sexist campaign. I admit he's running a white male identity politics campaign, which I'm not entirely comfortable with, but Democrats run identity politics campaigns all the time, and nobody says that they run racist campaigns. Single women are not a GOP constituency anyway, so there is a low ceiling for GOP candidates for women. Also, women just think and make decisions differently than men, and Trump's messaging towards women has been deficient so far.

Well, Trump was talking about punishment and given the stream of misogynistic comments he has made about women both during this campaign and in his past, I wouldn't like to see what punishment he would dream up.  

I have known multiple women who dealt with unwanted pregnancies.  Some had abortions, others didn't.  In some cases, the male partner was involved in the decision, discussed it with her, provided financial help and drove her to the clinic.  I think it is positive he was there for her, but if abortion was illegal, how could one say he was not culpable?

Then there was the case where the man just took off after he discovered she was pregnant.  She was left to shoulder the burden alone.  This is an all too common story.  She decided to keep the child but what if she had made another choice?  Per Trump only she would be "punished."

I wholeheartedly disagree that Trump is not running a sexist campaign.  It is the most blatantly sexist campaign I have seen by a major party nominee.  

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“Those are stunningly unfavorable numbers. It would be tremendously difficult for Donald Trump to win the general with those kinds of numbers,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University poll. “Historically, I can’t imagine anyone having worse numbers with women."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-women-unfavorable-ratings-221433
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Donald Trump ran an openly sexist campaign... on: June 25, 2016, 03:17:25 am
Trump said that women should face criminal punishment for having abortions (but of course the men who got them pregnant should not). Then he had to walk it back after a firestorm of controversy.
First of all, he didn't say there should be criminal punishment, just some form of punishment. But second, how exactly are are men responsible unless it was a pregnancy caused by rape (which is a crime, and for which most pro-life people exempt from abortion laws) or if they pressured the woman into having an abortion? If you argue that it is solely a woman's right to choose, how can men be even partly responsible for something for a matter they have no say on?

As far as the woman card goes, Clinton plays it daily.

We are taking as abortion as an illegal offense.  LOL, what kind of punishment do you think Trump was taking about?  Put women in the stocks?  Do you agree with Trump that women should face punishment?  What would that be exactly? 

I also see you made no attempt to explain why Trump has 70%+ disapprovals with women -- because you cannot offer one other than the explanation I gave.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Donald Trump ran an openly sexist campaign... on: June 25, 2016, 12:56:47 am
What exactly is sexist about Trump's campaign?

Trump said that women should face criminal punishment for having abortions (but of course the men who got them pregnant should not). Then he had to walk it back after a firestorm of controversy.

And Trump said of Clinton:

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“Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she'd get 5 percent of the vote. The only thing she's got going is the woman's card."

Never mind that Hillary Clinton is a former two-term senator from a major state and a former Secretary of State, that she has negotiated treaties and had tough encounters with Putin over matters of statecraft.  Trump reduces her to just her gender.  And the situation is made even more ridiculous given that Trump is completely lacking in comparable experience.

There is a reason why Trump has disapproval ratings among women of 70% or more.  Perhaps you can provide an alternative explanation other than the fact your candidate is a sexist $hi*heel.



7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton's Running Mate? on: June 25, 2016, 12:34:21 am
Tim Kaine.  Because she is running against Donald Trump and is the clear favorite to win, Clinton will likely conclude that the safest pick is the best pick.  She doesn't need to throw a long ball, just grind it out via her ground game to win.   It may not be pretty or exciting but it will get the job done.  More importantly, Kaine is also a strong governance pick with a variety of experience in high-level government and politics.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders "it doesn't appear I'm going to be the nominee" on: June 24, 2016, 01:06:40 am
What is the point of trying to win over Bernie Backers whose support for him was largely based in flat-out hatred for Clinton?  We can point to more than a few members of the forum who are examples of this.  Trying to convince Hillary Haters is a pointless waste of energy.  The arguments about supporting candidates for dumb personality and style based reasons run both ways.

I would also point out that part of my support for Clinton was the fact she was willing to grind out detailed policy plans to fix specific problems, as opposed to sweeping, vaguely detailed proposals which would apparently get done via "revolution."
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will Trump do with white men? on: June 20, 2016, 10:41:33 pm
I would guess around 60%.  White men are going to vote for one of their own against someone who isn't.  People accuse women and minorities of identity politics but the truth is everyone does it.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: With Lewandowski's firing, can Paul Manafort save the TRUMP campaign? on: June 20, 2016, 09:34:12 pm
No one can save this mess.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you want to punch Trump in the face? on: June 20, 2016, 03:55:28 am
I want the voters to deliver an electoral knockout to Trump in November.  If things go well I could see him losing by 10 points, which would be a landslide in this highly polarized environment.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was Trump's motive all along simply to gain more publicity for himself? on: June 17, 2016, 01:05:08 am
IDK, loads of people (Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, George Pataki, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich) plan to campaign for President not expecting to do well or even to dominate (or trying hard to do so, for that matter), but simply looking for more exposure to later make money selling books or being on TV.

I think the leaked job application memo from a while back where he was looking to hire a communications director to get him to a strong second place indicates that this was just another step in a thirty year pattern of attempting to stoke press coverage (positive or negative) for financial gain.

I agree that maybe his vision for after the election got more ambitious as he discovered how easy attracting eyeballs was.

Yeah, I suppose. I wonder if the racist tirades are actually part of his media empire plan. Could this be a possible home for a Stormfront-run news channel? "Stay tuned after this brief commercial break for a special edition of 60 minutes, with David Duke"

How interesting would that be if Trump ended up costing Republicans the White House and god knows how many downballot races just so he could start a media network that will probably go bankrupt in a couple years.

I LOLed

Is he actually looking to start his own cable network, a la Oprah Winfrey and OWN?  My guess is that a lot of it would be turned into some sort of shopping channel to buy Trump products, with the other half being extreme wingnut "news" propaganda.  

"Pure white 1000 thread count Egyptian Cotton sheet sets -- exclusively available on the Trump Network for only $99.99."
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was Trump's motive all along simply to gain more publicity for himself? on: June 16, 2016, 10:15:56 pm
There is speculation that the entire Trump Campaign is just a front to launch Trump TV -- a media operation catering to his bigoted, crazy devoted supporters. 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/trump-campaign-a-scheme-to-launch-trump-tv.html#
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Clinton raises a lot more money than Trump, will she send cash downballot? on: June 16, 2016, 09:05:22 pm
I think there is a fair chance she will do it for U.S. Senate and House races.  She will not do it for non-congressional races.  That doesn't directly impact her and no successful politician at that level is that altruistic.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will the LGBT community vote for? on: June 15, 2016, 01:42:25 am
I expect Clinton will win about 75% of the LGBT vote.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you support Trump's temporary Muslim ban on: June 14, 2016, 12:59:00 am
No, targeting a group based on religion is blatant discrimination and reminds me of the rhetoric which "justified" putting my family in an internment camp.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll: Do you argree w/ Warren that Trump is "thin-skinned, racist bully" on: June 11, 2016, 01:54:28 pm
Yes, Trump is all of these things.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Elizabeth Warren rips Trump a new one on: June 10, 2016, 01:48:40 am
Elizabeth Warren is very good at this.  What's her motive for putting herself in the line of fire by doing it?

1) she genuinely enjoys this
2) she's genuinely terrified that trump might be elected
3) she's auditioning to be VP
4) she's currying favor with HRC so they build a relationship so HRC owes her/listens to her when they fight over banking reform

I would say there is perhaps at least a little truth to all four of these, although No. 1 is probably more like "she absolutely hates Trump."  Trump is the kind of candidate almost designed to infuriate Warren -- a bigoted, bullying, self-entitled con artist who inherited his wealth.  Warren has never been close to Hillaryland but she absolutely wants to contribute to the party effort and raining hell down on Trump is the most obvious way.  Warren has never been afraid of a fight when she thinks the cause is righteous.

With regards to No. 3, I don't think Warren is blatantly auditioning for VP but is at least considering the pros and cons.  She's not shutting the door on the idea.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-warren-exclusive-idUSKCN0YU2R8
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Elizabeth Warren rips Trump a new one on: June 09, 2016, 11:21:13 pm
She goes hardcore on Trump in a high-energy speech at the American Constitution Society:

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"Donald Trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and serves no one but himself."

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"Judge [Gonzalo] Curiel has survived far worse than Donald Trump. He has survived actual assassination attempts. He'll have no trouble surviving Trump's nasty temper tantrums."

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"Where do you suppose Donald Trump got the idea he could personally attack judges regardless of the law whenever they don't bend to the whims of billionaires and big business?"

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"Trump is ... a Mitch McConnell kind of candidate. Exactly the kind of candidate you'd expect from a Republican Party whose 'script' for several years has been to execute a full-scale assault on the integrity of our courts -- blockading judicial appointments so Donald Trump can fill them."

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"We will not allow a small, insecure, thin-skinned wannabe tyrant or his allies in the Senate to destroy the rule of law in the United States of America!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzLMf6QGONQ

20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Donald Trump have a Todd Akin gaffe? on: June 09, 2016, 10:31:28 pm
The entire Trump Campaign is a gaffe.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who wins in November? on: June 08, 2016, 12:12:39 am
The country that gave 51% of the vote to Barack Obama in 2012 and is currently giving him a 50% approval rating is not going to suddenly turn around and elect his antithesis, Donald Trump, because he (Trump) "speaks his mind".

Obama's popularity doesn't indicate that Hillary will win. Bill Clinton was pushing 60% approval rating in 2000, yet his boy Al Gore still lost the election.

Gore sidelined Bill Clinton in 2000 because of the Monica Lewinsky scandal and did not embrace his legacy.  Bill's ability to campaign in that race was limited.  Hillary did not make that mistake with Obama.  She touted his record frequently during the primary and he will play a large role on the campaign trail during the general election.  And the President is raring to go.  He has a legacy to protect and is as offended by Trump as the rest of us.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: "Growing fear inside GOP about Trump" on: June 07, 2016, 02:13:06 am
This started with the Contract With On America and has been festering ever since.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump campaign: Female Judges might not be capable of judging Trump either on: June 07, 2016, 01:26:38 am
This is what I wrote on June 5:

So now both Mexican and Muslim judges are biased against Trump.  Who is next?  Women judges?  African-American judges?   

Clearly, only Christian white men are capable of being impartial judges in Trump World.

It seems like this campaign is going into some bizarre Twilight Zone universe.  I wonder what political scribes will write about it when it is over.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CLINTON CLINCHES on: June 07, 2016, 01:08:34 am
Congratulations to Secretary Clinton, the first woman to be nominated by a major party in American history.

Now, to defeat the authoritarian, temperamentally unstable bigot that is her general election opponent ...
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: 'It's possible, absolutely' Muslim judges are also biased against me on: June 05, 2016, 06:38:01 pm
So now both Mexican and Muslim judges are biased against Trump.  Who is next?  Women judges?  African-American judges?  

The Republican Party should be ashamed of itself for foisting this degenerate upon us.  But of course they have no shame.  Fortunately at this point it appears they have no organization either.  

39% of the party voted for him....

The GOP Establishment was too disorganized, spineless and craven to stop him in the beginning and now the majority of them have capitulated.  *Cough* Paul Ryan *Cough*

Such profiles in courage.  Future generations will sing songs about their integrity.
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