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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why was the Democratic establishment so united behind Clinton in the beginning? on: May 29, 2017, 09:17:22 pm
It's worth pointing out that the Clintons have been going around campaigning and fundraising for party figures for literally a quarter of a century and had built up quite a library of favors from party figures from top to bottom. The Clintons had been there for a large variety of figures and they ended up there for the Clintons.

This is neither a defense nor a criticism. Politicians who take care of their allies get taken care of in return, and the Clintons had been building up favors since before Bill was even President and never stopped doing so.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Two women on the Democratic ticket on: May 29, 2017, 04:00:10 pm
Gillibrand/Harris or Klobuchar/Harris are the obvious picks.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: POTUS to Abbas: YOU TRICKED ME! THE ISRAELIS HAVE SHOWN ME HOW YOU ROLL! on: May 29, 2017, 10:46:36 am
That's pretty fast. Obama didn't find out at all. Well, either that, or he just didn't mind them killing Jews.
More like U.S. politics has this unhealthy belief that our presidents can magickally bring peace to any area of the world if they just try hard enough.  Neither side has much interest in peace right now, largely because neither side believes the other has much interest in peace.  So yeah, if Trump/Tillerson end up not wasting time trying to accomplish something that they can't do, they'll be one up on Obama/Kerry.  Clinton never seemed to pay more than the minimum lip service to finding Mideast peace, but Kerry acted as if he really believed he could do something.

Yeah, neither party has any particular interest in peace at the moment, and Israel especially sees more of an upside to letting the conflict continue in terms of how much land they can grab in settlements.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Kamala Harris nationally electable? on: May 28, 2017, 09:07:29 pm
I really think people are putting way too much emphasis on candidate geography, and even if they weren't, the most important state to the future of the Democratic Party is still Florida, not Ohio or whatever, so I'm not sure that a Californian is any bigger turnoff than anything else (given Florida's horrible tendency to be unable to produce talented local Democratic politicians)
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Kamala Harris nationally electable? on: May 28, 2017, 06:41:40 pm
At this point, I'm not ruling anyone out. Harris has a lot of potential. I don't see why she'd be considered any less electable than any other member of the Democratic Senate caucus, and more so than some because she's new to it and has taken fewer controversial votes. Long tenures in the Senate are political poison, so someone in her first term has a huge advantage there.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kremlin agent Assangekovitch: Kuhsner correct to "create channels with everyone" on: May 28, 2017, 01:24:16 pm
This story sure did seem to fizzle.

What? How's that?
7  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: Recommendations On "Unrest" on: May 26, 2017, 09:02:18 pm
Just to get you started:

Uncivil Society and Armageddon Averted by Stephen Kotkin are both good books. The former is about the collapse of the minor Warsaw Pact allies and the latter is about the collapse of the USSR itself.
8  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Could the Civil War have been avoided if Jackson had been President in 1861? on: May 25, 2017, 10:37:32 pm
The whole reason Buchanan was President was because he was enough of an cypher that Northern and Southern Democrats could agree on him in 1856. Whatever else Jackson was, he wasn't a cypher.  That said, the real question is whether the Civil War could have been avoided had someone other than Taylor/Fillmore been elected in 1848.  The Compromise of 1850 and the acrimony that arose from that is what led to an almost inevitable Civil War. A different Compromise might have been able to avoid the Civil War.

I think it becomes even more interesting if it's restricted to Taylor not dying when he did. Zachary Taylor was willing to veto the Compromise of 1850 and provoke a Civil War then and there before his sudden death.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Post body-slam: Who wins in MT-AL? on: May 24, 2017, 10:22:17 pm
It'll be stupidly close, but I think this news broke too late to swing the race. I think Gianforte still wins (but will be unusually vulnerable in the 2018 race because of this...this will be great ad material against him for YEARS).
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MT - AL (May 25) Predictions Thread on: May 24, 2017, 06:02:12 pm
I have it 51-45 for Gianforte.

It's a very boring prediction, though.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Cost of single payer in Cali would be more than entire general fund budget on: May 23, 2017, 10:26:20 pm
Cali's proposed system is also far more generous than the universal plans of most other countries. California proposal covers dental, for example, which a lot of countries don't cover for adults. It's no surprise the sticker price is high even compares to most people's idea of Single Payer.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Students walk out of Pence speech on: May 22, 2017, 05:16:35 pm
Walking out is a perfectly fine reaction to a public speaker you find objectionable. Always has been.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If Trump's presidency was to be ranked now, where would he be? on: May 22, 2017, 11:32:59 am
I fail to see how he ranks below Andrew Johnson on any criteria. Policy objectives? Congress stripped him of authority and took over his signature issue. Power? Johnson failed to even fire one of his own Secretaries because Congress passed the Tenute of Offices Act that prohibited firing a Secretary without Congressional approval. Johnson's term was an unmitigated disaster for the Democratic Party and the nation as a whole and effectively castrated executive power for a generation.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: THE ORB on: May 22, 2017, 02:13:53 am
Huh, is this a Wahhabite thing or something?

Nah, this is a 21st century ribbon cutting.

It's the opening ceremony for this place:



The Global Center for Combatting Extremist Ideology.

When King Salman touched the Orb, it was the signal to turn the Center on.

EDIT: The Center in operation:


15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: THE ORB on: May 21, 2017, 09:32:25 pm
Ah, here we go:




"In reality, Trump was attending the opening of the Global Centre for Combating Extremist Ideology along with Saudi Arabia King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi when the photo was taken. The state-of-the art centre aims to monitor and combat global extremism in real time. During the opening, the leaders in attendance placed their hands on an illuminated globe as a gesture of their combined commitment to ending terrorism, and to officially activate the centre by launching a welcome video on the screens above."




http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/05/21/donald-trump-orb_n_16742998.html

I had assumed something along those lines, but that's still no excuse for setting up the photo op to look like someplace James Bond needs to escape from while it explodes behind him.

I mean...



How are you going to have that room NOT look like a Bond villain base? It literally is one.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If Trump's presidency was to be ranked now, where would he be? on: May 21, 2017, 07:44:48 pm
Nothing Trump has done yet has quite the same consequences as:

Expelling thousands upon thousands of Native Americans from their land in direct violation of a Supreme Court ruling, condemning many of them to their deaths on the walk to Oklahoma. (Thank you, President Jackson!)
Launching an insane landgrab war to try to steal a third of Mexico under false pretenses and false accusations of Mexican aggression. (Thank you, President Polk!)
Signing the Compromise of 1850, allowing southern slavehunters to drag escaped slaves back south into lifelong bondage and servitude. (Thank you, President Fillmore!)
The Kansas Nebraska Act, abolishing the Missouri Compromise Line and allowing slavery to exist in any territory that wanted it. (Thank you, President Pierce!)
Allowing seven states to secede from the Union with complete inaction and leaving it as a problem for his successor. (Thank you, President Buchanan!)
Trying to undermine Reconstruction and sabotaging Congress' efforts to grant rights to freedmen. (Thank you, President Johnson!)
The sheer scope of felonious and unethical activity the Harding Administration managed to get through in 2 and a half years (Trump's gunning for Harding's record, no doubt).
Inaction and apathy in the face of the gravest and greatest economic disaster in human history. (Herbert Hoover)
Launching an illegal war in Cambodia without Congressional approval or even knowledge that ended up leading to the deaths of literally millions of people. (Thank you, Richard Nixon!)
Illegally running guns to the Iranian revolutionary government to pay for illegally funding Nicaraguan death squads directly counter to Congress. (Thank you, Ronald Reagan!)
Launching a brutal war under false pretenses that destabilizes the Middle East to this day, a war of which we are still dealing with the consequences. (Thank you, George W. Bush!)

Let's keep some perspective here when we say that Trump is the worst, OK?


You literally did not mention the interment of an entire race of people, or the dozens upon dozens of horrible, horrible things Lyndon Johnson did.

I also didn't mention Wounded Knee, Grover Cleveland breaking up the Pullman Strike at gunpoint resulting in dozens of deaths, or the US literally occupying the Dominican Republic for 8 years to force them to spend their budget on paying back their debts to the US at gunpoint. That list could be as long as you want it to be.

My main point was that most of Donald Trump's mistakes haven't killed people yet (yet being the key word), so how could he be at the bottom of the list?
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If Trump's presidency was to be ranked now, where would he be? on: May 21, 2017, 07:29:22 pm
Please....he would be in last.

He can't be behind Buchanan, surely? I mean our country is nowhere near disintegrating.

It depends. Yes our country was in a monumentally worse place when Buchanan left office. But wasn't the country heading there anyway? Did Buchanan cause the war, or was he just too incompetent to stop us from going to war? I'm not saying that if after four years of trump he should necessarily be considered worse than Buchanan. But so far, from day one to day 100 to now, I don't think any president has made more of a cluster**** of every single move he has made. He has been a total embarrassment, a total failure, and hasn't given one positive thing to this country.

Plus I believe Nixon would be ranked as the worst president, if it weren't for the fact that he was a pretty good president minus Watergate. But if you have absolutely nothing positive to hang your hat on, a scandal like Watergate is so overwhelmingly bad, that it probably makes you the worst. And we might be heading there with how this presidency is going.

Causing a mess right out of the gate and being a screwup for the rest of the term? Look at John Tyler or Andrew Johnson.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If Trump's presidency was to be ranked now, where would he be? on: May 21, 2017, 07:18:52 pm
Nothing Trump has done yet has quite the same consequences as:

Expelling thousands upon thousands of Native Americans from their land in direct violation of a Supreme Court ruling, condemning many of them to their deaths on the walk to Oklahoma. (Thank you, President Jackson!)
Launching an insane landgrab war to try to steal a third of Mexico under false pretenses and false accusations of Mexican aggression. (Thank you, President Polk!)
Signing the Compromise of 1850, allowing southern slavehunters to drag escaped slaves back south into lifelong bondage and servitude. (Thank you, President Fillmore!)
The Kansas Nebraska Act, abolishing the Missouri Compromise Line and allowing slavery to exist in any territory that wanted it. (Thank you, President Pierce!)
Allowing seven states to secede from the Union with complete inaction and leaving it as a problem for his successor. (Thank you, President Buchanan!)
Trying to undermine Reconstruction and sabotaging Congress' efforts to grant rights to freedmen. (Thank you, President Johnson!)
The sheer scope of felonious and unethical activity the Harding Administration managed to get through in 2 and a half years (Trump's gunning for Harding's record, no doubt).
Inaction and apathy in the face of the gravest and greatest economic disaster in human history. (Herbert Hoover)
Launching an illegal war in Cambodia without Congressional approval or even knowledge that ended up leading to the deaths of literally millions of people. (Thank you, Richard Nixon!)
Illegally running guns to the Iranian revolutionary government to pay for illegally funding Nicaraguan death squads directly counter to Congress. (Thank you, Ronald Reagan!)
Launching a brutal war under false pretenses that destabilizes the Middle East to this day, a war of which we are still dealing with the consequences. (Thank you, George W. Bush!)

Let's keep some perspective here when we say that Trump is the worst, OK?
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US history questions re: Trump scandals and those of previous presidents on: May 21, 2017, 01:17:46 pm

Has there ever been a president who did something worse than collude with a foreign government to hack our election process?

Has there ever been a time where the US was more divided, where even the biggest criminal scandals didn't phase the president's base?

Andrew Johnson is a pretty good answer for both of these. He started out trying to short-circuit Reconstruction and undercut efforts to help freedmen (even if his eventual legal offense that led to him getting impeached was the stupid Tenure of Office Act that would never fly today), and yes, Reconstruction was a pretty damned divided time when half of the country was under military occupation.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2020 Trump votes at 40% or less maps on: May 21, 2017, 10:59:52 am


Sanders 40% 258 EVs
Trump 39% 280 EVs
Kasich 19% 0 EVs
Other 2% 0 EVs
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie's chances of winning 2020 primary? on: May 21, 2017, 02:21:16 am
Sanders will turn 79 a month after election day in 2020. By the time his first term would end in January, 2025, he'll be 83 years old. If he's a two-termer, he'll exit office just after his 87th birthday.

The human body really starts to go to pieces after a certain point, and a president who will be in his 80s most of his term is really asking for America to have to get very familiar with a lot of end-of-life illnesses.

Nobody cares...I'd rather have Bernie croak in office than trust a DLC stiff. If anything...Bernie dying might help in getting legislation passed...much like LBJ exploited JFK's death in ramming though a ton of legislation.

Him dead in office isn't the worst case scenario. Him going through a lengthy, debilitating, illness that prevents him from handling the duties of state is.

Yes, the 25th Amendment exists, but any attempt to use it will be denounced as a coup, especially if Sanders isn't himself ready to relinquish the reins.
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Have you fully read a religious text? on: May 20, 2017, 06:46:51 pm
God is not nice, God is not friendly. God is a King. I fail to see how that is a problem with the Bible.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Trump tells advisers he wants to end key Obamacare subsidies on: May 20, 2017, 02:38:29 pm
He's acting like a hostage-taker.

He won't get a single Senate Democrat on his side over this. Not one. If the GOP wants AHCA so desperately, they can pass it on their own and reap the consequences.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie's chances of winning 2020 primary? on: May 20, 2017, 12:22:43 pm
Sanders will turn 79 a month after election day in 2020. By the time his first term would end in January, 2025, he'll be 83 years old. If he's a two-termer, he'll exit office just after his 87th birthday.

The human body really starts to go to pieces after a certain point, and a president who will be in his 80s most of his term is really asking for America to have to get very familiar with a lot of end-of-life illnesses.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Impeachment of Trump on: May 20, 2017, 11:38:22 am
I think impeachment hearings start after Mueller's reports.

Is there any schedule when this might happen?

No schedule, but it would be pretty typical if the investigation took years, not months. I wouldn't be shocked if Mueller doesn't weigh in until 2019 or so.
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