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4676  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Diplomacy Game Thread on: October 19, 2008, 04:45:27 am
The current moves were:



France
A Bohemia - Galicia
F Gulf of Lyon Hold
A Munich Hold
A Piedmont Supports A Trieste - Venice
A Tyrolia Supports A Trieste - Venice (*Cut*)
F Western Mediterranean - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Bounce*)

Russia
F Baltic Sea Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Dislodged*)
A Budapest Supports A Venice - Trieste
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
A Finland - Sweden
A Greece - Albania
F Gulf of Bothnia Supports A Finland - Sweden
A Moscow - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
A Serbia Supports A Venice - Trieste
A Smyrna - Constantinople
A St Petersburg - Finland
A Vienna - Tyrolia (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia

Italy
F Apulia - Naples
A Rome Supports F Apulia - Naples
A Trieste - Venice (*Disbanded*)

Germany
NMR

Austria-Hungary


Turkey
F Naples - Ionian Sea
F Tuscany - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Bounce*)
A Venice - Trieste

England
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
F Denmark Supports F Sweden - Baltic Sea
F Edinburgh - North Sea
F Helgoland Bight Convoys A Kiel - Holland
F Holland - Kiel
A Kiel - Holland
F North Sea - Skagerrak
A Norway - St Petersburg
F Sweden - Baltic Sea

The moves therefore appear thus:



Before retreats, the map appears:



A retreat for the Russian fleet in the Baltic Sea is required. Since it's the only retreat, feel free to post it here, rather than PM'ing me if you wish.
4677  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / NSW By-elections Yesterday on: October 19, 2008, 04:03:55 am
Cabramatta
Labor Retain, 22.8% Swing to Libs (2PP)
Safe Labor at the 2007 General Election (79.15% Labor 2PP - 69.08% Labor Primary, 16.33% Liberal Primary, 6.89% Green Primary)
Yesterday's figures: 56.4% Labor 2PP on notional preferences:
http://lg.elections.nsw.gov.au/State%20By-Elections%2018%20October%202008/cabramatta/Post%20Election%20Night%20Notional.pdf
Yesterday's primary figures: 49.6% Labor, 37.3% Liberal, 9.5% Green.
http://lg.elections.nsw.gov.au/State%20By-Elections%2018%20October%202008/cabramatta/Election%20Night.pdf

Lakemba
Former Premier's seat - he resigned, triggering this by-election.
Labor Retain, 13% Swing to Libs (2PP)
Safe Labor at the 2007 General Election (84% Labor 2PP - 73.9% Labor Primary, 13.2% Liberal Primary, 3.87% Green Primary)
Yesterday's figures: 71% Labor 2PP on notional preferences:
http://lg.elections.nsw.gov.au/State%20By-Elections%2018%20October%202008/lakemba/Election%20Night%20Notional.pdf
Yesterday's primary figures: 58.1% Labor, 23.4% Liberal, 12.7% Green.

Port Macquarie
Appears to be an Independent vs Nationals Two Candidate Preferred (Independent about 55%). 11 Primary candidates.

Ryde
Former Deputy Premier's seat.
Liberal Gain
62.5% Liberal 2PP, swing of ~22% to Liberal:
GE results:
http://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/state_government_elections/electoral_districts/all_districts_/ryde/results_2007/notional_distribution_of_preferences
By-election results: http://lg.elections.nsw.gov.au/State%20By-Elections%2018%20October%202008/ryde/Election%20Night%20Notional.pdf
GE primary results:
http://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/state_government_elections/electoral_districts/all_districts_/ryde/results_2007/first_candidates_post
By-election primary results:
http://lg.elections.nsw.gov.au/State%20By-Elections%2018%20October%202008/ryde/Post%20Election%20Night%20Notional.pdf
4678  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Agree or Disagree: Day 9: NASCAR should be banned due to wasting gas on: October 17, 2008, 10:38:03 am
I could not be less interested in car racing (well, I don't mind the Indy, but Nascar isn't my thing - and I simply love horse racing, but that's something else entirely - Caulfield Cup today/tomorrow!!!) but the libertarian part of me (yes, it's in there) strongly believes in allowing people to watch it if they wish. It's the market in action, leave it alone.

Hmmm... it's 2.30am and I'm rambling. I'll try to be clearer.

I have absolutely no interest in Nascar racing, but I am opposed to banning it because other people like it and I shouldn't be forcing my personal tastes on them (otherwise they'd all be going to the opera, symphony and horse races).
4679  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Diplomacy Game Thread on: October 17, 2008, 05:43:30 am
My fiancee and I are babysitting overnight Saturday night. The place we're going to be doesn't have internet, wireless, dialup, broadband... nothing. I'm not sure when on Sunday I can expect to be home, but it will probably be afternoon or evening my time. It won't be a significant delay, but I thought it best to let you know that I'll be a little late doing the next update (at least it'll only be a matter of hours...).
4680  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Protection Party: October Convention on: October 17, 2008, 05:02:18 am
I may not be a member of your party but I share many of your ideals.

Is it me or does this seem to be turning into a conga line of suckholes? As Mark Latham famously quoted prior to his succession to the ALP leadership in 2003. With nearly a large abundance of political candidates this October wishing and longing for the endorsement from the Regional Protection Party, despite drastic political beliefs? I'm probably going to be hated by a large abundance of party foe, particularly the leadership. Oh well.

Two candidates we have endorsed from outside of the party have included you, Mr Flynn and AndrewCT, however neither of you approached the RPP. You were both endorsed because of your sound political beliefs that somewhat closely match our own.
4681  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should this girl get her diploma? on: October 16, 2008, 10:47:26 pm
Most everyone here who knows me, knows I'm not religious.

However, I am an ardent supporter of free speech. This is a student presenting her own view, and not the view of the school. She should be allowed to do so, so long as she's not forcing her view on anyone else.

She should apologize for presenting a false speech to her principal, but other than that, I think she should get her diploma.

She lied to her principal, which was the wrong thing for her to do and I think she morally should apologise to the principal for doing that. So long as she obeyed the law, I have no problem with her choosing to exercise her freedom of speech (by this I mean, so long as she doesn't say anything that is actually illegal - such as something that might fall under any hate-speech legislation you might have).
4682  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which Biblical figure is the preceding poster most like? on: October 16, 2008, 07:54:36 pm
Joseph's youngest brother, Benjamin.
4683  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 16, 2008, 03:35:39 am
Hope it's Ignatieff. More likely will be Kennedy or Trudeau.

My money would be on Trudeau... although he's first-term, I still think he's the best bet. Ignatieff doesn't connect well with ordinary voters. Kennedy probably doesn't have enough party support to get it, although I could be wrong. So long as the traitorous Bob Rae doesn't get it.
4684  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Pointless Political Corectness on: October 16, 2008, 01:08:05 am


     Credit to JS, of course.

Nah, someone else used Picard before me.

And yeah Dead -- that's pretty stupid.  Not as stupid as putting movie stars on stamps in the first place.  But I'm in complete agreement.



     Yeah, though you were the one who uploaded that methinks. I'm too lazy to find out where else it has been used. Tongue

Ask Xahar... he'll know... Tongue
4685  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Atlas Class of '08 Senior Year Book on: October 16, 2008, 12:54:17 am
Best dressed: I always imagine Mikado to be wearing a really nice suit while he posts.
Worst dressed: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=85524.0
...several of them without a shirt.
Best smile: Yeah, I'll vote for Rinchan as well...
Best hair:
Nicest eyes: Albertagirl
Most athletic:
Most artistic: Inks wrote that poem the other day: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=85309.0
Most likely to succeed: Conor
Class clown:
Hottest couple: Jmfcst and Sarah Palin
Best taste in music: Mikado
Best taste in movies:
Worst taste in music: BRTD
Worst taste in movies:
Most smelly:
Most argumentative:
Worst personality: Prophetman

That's all I can think of for now...
4686  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Stolen Election? Oh NOES!!!! on: October 16, 2008, 12:24:27 am
I don't think Republicans will claim stolen election, that's more of a Dem thing.  When McCain wins I'll say Jfern or ChrisFromNJ is first

Yeah - the question should have been framed along the lines of (for a Democrat win) "Will Prophetman claim that the anti-christ has been handed the reigns of power?"
4687  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Agree or Disagree: Day 8: Arrested Development should not have been canceled on: October 16, 2008, 12:02:11 am
Fantastic, amazing, excellent show! BRING OUT THE MOVIE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!
4688  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 15, 2008, 11:53:15 pm
Good result in Churchill, Earl.
4689  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 15, 2008, 11:13:07 pm
Looks like Angus Reid was pretty accurate in their polling:

Quote
Throughout the federal election campaign, many of our members were invited to participate in a number of election related polls and ‘Daily Questions’ surveys. Thanks to the participation and dedication of our members, we are pleased to announce that the election polling conducted on the Angus Reid Forum delivered the most accurate results among Canadian public opinion firms in predicting the final outcome of the election on October 14th, 2008.

Below is a comparison of the results from our final Angus Reid survey that was conducted during the three days preceding the federal ballot to the results from the election. A representative sample of 1,039 of our members who were absolutely certain to cast a ballot completed this survey. Our results were the most accurate to the final outcome – a testament to the strength of your voice on the Angus Reid Forum!

% of Vote               Angus Reid Forum Results    Overall Election Results
Conservatives                 37%                                   37.63%
Liberals                                 27%                                   26.24%
NDP                                 20%                                   18.20%
Bloc Québécois                   9%                                     9.97%
Green Party                   7%                                     6.80%
Independent                   n/a                                     0.65%
Other                                   n/a                                     0.51%
4690  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: A.C.T. Election October 18 on: October 15, 2008, 11:08:38 pm
Yeah, I've been hearing minority Labor Government a bit, which is about as good as it gets for us in Canberra.
4691  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 15, 2008, 11:06:51 pm
Canadian elections are so depressing. 4 left of center parties against 1 right of center party in a FPTP system is fail.

I know it's sad, but how bad can Canadian conservatives be?

Speaking as a right winger, the Canadian conservatives are pretty moderate from my perspective.
4692  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Why Don't Canadian Conservatives Support Quebec Secession? on: October 15, 2008, 08:12:41 am
I've argued this point with my fiancee previously - and I'd think she'd be more in favour because she's just about Bloc Albertois, but she doesn't want to see her country broken up. She puts it down to patriotism. I can respect that, even though Quebec Secession would clearly benefit the Tories.
4693  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 15, 2008, 08:08:21 am
Btw, didn't the Liberals do better in Calgary than in Edmonton at the last provincial election (in seats only I think. Or was it in votes only? Whatever.)

That's because Stelmach's an idiot who is unpopular in Calgary, not because Calgary necessarily favours the Liberals, but rather because they disfavour the Tory Premier.
4694  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 15, 2008, 03:36:26 am
Fantastic result in Thornhill. Peter Kent was a strong candidate. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Parliamentary Secretaryship.

One of the guys working on the Ottawa South campaign is from Thornhill. (Jewish, of course). He was very pissed at the results there.

Overall, terrible result for us in Ottawa South. Ugh... I didn't think it was possible to do worse than the 2007 provincial election. At least we beat the arrogant prick running for the Green Party.

As for Ottawa Centre, where I voted... hip hip hurrah!

From what I hear, it was the Jewish vote that handed it to the Conservatives there.
4695  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Comedy Goldmine VII: Straight-to-DVD Christmas Special on: October 15, 2008, 03:22:33 am
Italian people can't become President.  They'll do well in the polls out of fear (the Godfather Effect), but in the end they will vote against them.

LOL.

Yeah, that was a good one.

Scrap "Amend for Arnie"... "Amend for Italians" has a much nicer ring to it!
4696  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of the Kings of the United Monarchy 2: David on: October 15, 2008, 02:37:31 am
King David expanded Israel to it's largest area as a Kingdom, he wanted to build the Temple (although God said no, because he was a man of war), he was a man after God's own heart, and God was happy enough with him to decide that his lineage would lead to Jesus.

He made a few mistakes, but overall he was a successful king. I definitely view him favourably.
4697  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 15, 2008, 02:25:58 am
Fantastic result in Thornhill. Peter Kent was a strong candidate. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Parliamentary Secretaryship.
4698  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 14, 2008, 11:09:50 pm
I don't suppose there are any election results maps out there for anyone wanting to look at the big picture?



Not a map, but shows seats and who held them last election:
http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&template_id=1142&lang=e
4699  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 14, 2008, 10:54:00 pm
CBC called Edmonton-Strathcona a long time ago, but Linda Duncan has now come extremely close (within three points) with still 78 polls out. Maybe they know more than I do about what's out.

Like I said earlier, CBC are getting stupid with this early calling.

It's U of A in his Riding.
4700  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada 2008: Official Results Thread on: October 14, 2008, 10:16:51 pm
Tories haven't held Thornhill since Mulroney's first election.
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