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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: de Blasio continues to run Bloomberg's racist, drug warrior police department on: October 23, 2014, 09:57:53 am
Also, regardless of action at the state level, couldn't NYC just make violations of Marijuana possession the lowest priority for the police? Many liberal cities out west do that to change policing without having to change state laws.

Mj possession in small amounts is already officially decriminalized, but they manage to get around that. 

Right, but NYC could go further and basically stop the police from dealing with marijuana offenses by making it the lowest priority. I suppose they would be able to get around that as well but it's worth a shot.

What would lowest priority mean?  If someone is getting stopped (ostensibly) for something else, wouldn't the police still have a look-see what else they can find?

Basically no paperwork meaning no arrests/citations. They might confiscate/destroy it. Probably would depend on the individual officer.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: John Hickenlooper: I don't like Obamacare on: October 23, 2014, 06:11:35 am
He's not as hated as someone like Tennant because he's actually going to win his election for his party, and spine or not, he did end up signing the gun bills.

And say what he wants, his state did expand Medicaid and did their own exchange, so I assume that's why everyone blows off his stance on the ACA. Just like everyone blows off his position on recreational marijuana legalization.

So people didn't actually care about what Tennant said, they just cared that she was losing while saying it? That doesn't really make sense to me. I didn't particularly care about her comments since she's in West Virginia and Manchin basically did the same thing in 2010 (and nobody seemed to care then), but Atlas's thread on the subject would make you think she was Satan incarnate. I didn't particularly care about Hickenlooper's gun comments either, but combined with this one it seems as if it's becoming a trend.

Hickenlooper has always been a moderate (remember, he is pro-fracking). He's only been perceived as liberal because the legislature was very liberal and passing liberal laws, basically forcing him to sign them. He was never out in front advocating for any of those bills though.

It's not really about whether or not he's a moderate though. It's about his ridiculously transparent backpedalling after the fact. He had a choice to veto the gun bill, not to set up Obamacare exchanges, etc. and he didn't. That was his position, so stick with it. The whole "I didn't really want to do those things, but the legislature/Obama/my staffer MADE me!" is pretty weak and makes him look incredibly spineless.

Just based on the video, you seem to be misinterpreting his comments. He said it should have been rolled out state by state and he did set up his own exchange in Colorado. So essentially he did what he thinks should have been done in every other state. He also seems to want the states to have more control in establishing the rules, which is a more controversial position.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: de Blasio continues to run Bloomberg's racist, drug warrior police department on: October 22, 2014, 10:23:18 pm
Also, regardless of action at the state level, couldn't NYC just make violations of Marijuana possession the lowest priority for the police? Many liberal cities out west do that to change policing without having to change state laws.

Mj possession in small amounts is already officially decriminalized, but they manage to get around that. 

Right, but NYC could go further and basically stop the police from dealing with marijuana offenses by making it the lowest priority. I suppose they would be able to get around that as well but it's worth a shot.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: de Blasio continues to run Bloomberg's racist, drug warrior police department on: October 22, 2014, 05:50:37 pm
Also, regardless of action at the state level, couldn't NYC just make violations of Marijuana possession the lowest priority for the police? Many liberal cities out west do that to change policing without having to change state laws.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: CO-Reuters/Ipsos: omg so close on: October 22, 2014, 05:45:52 pm
Ah, the race that continues to be one of the most pure toss-ups in the country...

I think Hick will make it in the end. I sure hope he does because Beauprez could cause a lot of damage.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: CO: PPP says Gardner+3 on: October 21, 2014, 04:06:56 pm
Buck was ahead +3.0; Gardner is ahead +3.8 and gaining right now. (I'd also note that Udall was ahead +12.5 in 2008 and only won +10.3, even as Obama significantly underperformed in polling; we can't rule out, based on Udall's history, that it is Gardner polls are underestimating).

Also, +8 on the generic ballot looks fantastic for our chances at the state legislature. If Beauprez pulls it out, we could have a trifecta and bring the Midwestern reform efforts of Snyder and Walker to Colorado.

Isn't Democratic overreach basically the entire reason Democrats are hurting in CO right now? If they try to Walker-ize Colorado, you can probably expect them to be in deep trouble in 2016/2018.

If they try to enact fiscally conservative reforms, there may not be a backlash. If they go social conservative, which they likely will, there will be a backlash. Beauprez seems like a crazy. I really hope he doesn't win.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: de Blasio continues to run Bloomberg's racist, drug warrior police department on: October 21, 2014, 06:16:33 am
New York seriously has to reform their marijuana laws. Even if they are not at the point where the people will support legalization, at least they can decriminalize it. I am sure that has majority support in the state.

it is decriminalized.  the cops have a trick card though.  they tell the suspect to "empty your pockets", and when he does, he gets charged with marijuana in public view, which is a criminal offense.

That's not true decriminalization.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 House Election Polls / Re: CA-17/SUSA: Honda +2 on: October 21, 2014, 06:15:09 am
Among those who have already voted, Khanna leads by 7. Of course 14% of that group is undecided......

Perhaps they interpreted it as asking if they'd voted in the primary?

No, early voting has already started so I'm not surprised some have already voted. I am surprised 14% are still "undecided" though. Must be people who don't want to reveal who they voted for. Another interesting factoid from this poll is that those who were polled by robocall were more likely to say they were voting for Khanna than those who were called by a person.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 House Election Polls / Re: CA-17/SUSA: Honda +2 on: October 20, 2014, 09:56:19 pm
Among those who have already voted, Khanna leads by 7. Of course 14% of that group is undecided......
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: de Blasio continues to run Bloomberg's racist, drug warrior police department on: October 20, 2014, 09:48:49 pm
New York seriously has to reform their marijuana laws. Even if they are not at the point where the people will support legalization, at least they can decriminalize it. I am sure that has majority support in the state.
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity on: October 20, 2014, 12:55:34 pm
One reason why this particular board is so absolutely and utterly dire is that it is full of people who believe themselves to be knowledgeable about subjects on which they are actually totally ignorant.

I have already admitted I am no expert on religion, which is why I usually don't post on this board. That being said, I know enough to know that saying eastern religions are more doctrinally strict than western religions is absolutely wrong.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity on: October 20, 2014, 10:12:06 am
Thanks for that. I was making a general point about western religions being much more strict about these social issues whereas eastern religions take more of a live and let live attitude. A perfect example of that would be the Hijras of South Asia.
13  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity on: October 20, 2014, 06:08:19 am
In any case, most Christians don't follow their religion literally either. If they did, they would be stoning gays in the street. Another thing the eastern religions are superior at. Much less stoning to death of undesirable groups.

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Yeah, because as we all know, the bible is very gay friendly.
14  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity on: October 19, 2014, 10:42:59 pm
Is that really what eastern religions emphasize? Or is that just what western hippies think eastern religion is about? Somehow I doubt the average practicing Hindu is a paragon of tolerance.

And, just because people don't actually follow the rules of a religion (mostly because those rules are so strict) doesn't make the religion itself less strict.


I am no expert on religion but I think the hippies got it right. "Hinduism" has been corrupted by outside, socially conservative influences for a long time now. Of course there is social conservatism within Hinduism as well, but it's not a religion like Christianity or Islam. There are plenty of Hindu priests who sit around smoking weed in the name of Shiva (one of the main gods) all around India. Eating bhang (edible marijuana) is an extremely common activity during Holi (done by even the conservatives in Hindu society). Indeed, my parents didn't even know bhang and marijuana are the same thing. So yeah, the hippies got it right.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity on: October 19, 2014, 10:28:42 pm
Thank you Clark for your posts in this thread. I don't get how anyone who puts in even the least bit of effort to understand Hinduism would think it is some sort of draconian religion with rules that everyone must follow. I come from a Hindu tradition but the types of rituals and beliefs my family has is likely completely different from another family that lived a few hundred miles away. It is not even one religion if it is understood from a western perspective, but a collection of beliefs in a region of the world that has been categorized as Hindu by outsiders. No wonder the word "Hindu" came from outside India.

Also, speaking of Buddhism, it's key tenets are a good way to live a happy life. If taken literally, it can mean a life of asceticism that would be impractical for most people. But if Buddhism is used as a guiding principle in your life, you can be a happier person. You can't afford the iPhone 6? Great, you don't gain happiness from possessions anyways. That does not mean you need to flush your iPhone 5 down the toilet. That is a very literalist, Christian way of looking at things. In any case, most Christians don't follow their religion literally either. If they did, they would be stoning gays in the street. Another thing the eastern religions are superior at. Much less stoning to death of undesirable groups.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: PPP-IA: Braley +1 on: October 19, 2014, 04:21:01 pm
When will KCDem be banned?
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What county is most representative of each party? on: October 19, 2014, 03:45:37 pm
These are national parties so having to choose just one county in the country to represent them is almost impossible to do. Coalitions that vote for either party do differ from region to region.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 House Election Polls / Re: CO-06: Coffman in the lead on: October 19, 2014, 09:00:21 am
Oh well. Romanoff will be back to spank Coffman in 2016 when Clinton helps the Democrats take the House back.
The Democrats aren't taking the House back any earlier than 2022.  Gerrymandering will see to that.

It's quite possible the gerrymander will fall apart once Obama gets out of office. The gerrymander is based on the political coalitions formed during his first campaign and the presidency. Gerrymanders do tend to fall apart as coalitions change and as there is movement of people within a metro area/state. That is what happened in 2006 and 2008 as the Democrats overcame Republican gerrymanders to win big.

2006 was just a transformative year as Democrats took a lot of traditional Republican-leaning districts as voters tired of George W. Bush. They were able to sustain the momentum in 2008.  That, of course, changed after the Democrats sloppily passed Obamacare and there was predictable pushback in '10.

2012 brought a more favorable Republican Congressional map due to reapportionment and more gerrymandering (although the Republicans lost about 10 seats due to Obama's coattails). The Republicans will likely regain a few of those seats on the fringes in '14.

While it's possible for the Dems to retake the House before '22, their real impediment is the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which forces majority-minority districts. That allows the rest of a competitive state to be sliced with Republican-leaning districts while you have some crazy D+30 districts solely designed to elect either an African-American or Latino candidate.

Most of the gerrymanders in 2000 were also in the Republicans favor. That is why there were so many Republican friendly districts back then as well. What the 2010 redistricting allowed the Republicans to do was to redraw the map to account for the changing coalitions as well as movement of people in order to solidify their gains. The map held up well in 2012 and will in 2014 as well with Obama still as president. I do believe there is a chance it could fall apart in 2016 or beyond if Hillary is able to win with a different coalition consisting of more older, white women. The democrats might be less reliant on urban minority votes in a Hillary coalition.
19  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: US AG put a stop to investigation that could have lead to recovery of dead IDF on: October 19, 2014, 05:20:55 am
This is very strange. The administration doesn't stand up to Israel where it should (settlements) but they won't even do this for them?

They tried to "stand up to" Israel on settlements, with a massive diplomatic offensive in early 2010. A bipartisan coalition of Congressmen and Senators shut him down.

Without his own party supporting him on the issue, all Obama can do is engage in petty acts of sabotage like this.

Well, I suppose it's better than nothing. I would of course prefer the US stand up to Israel regarding settlements because in the end that is the only thing that will save Israel. Currently Israel is going down the road of destruction and friends like the US should be the one stopping them, not aiding and abetting their self-destructive behavior.
20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: US AG put a stop to investigation that could have lead to recovery of dead IDF on: October 18, 2014, 09:59:20 pm
This is very strange. The administration doesn't stand up to Israel where it should (settlements) but they won't even do this for them?
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: PPP-IA: Braley +1 on: October 17, 2014, 06:00:01 pm
Guys, when you conduct 10 polls of a race where one candidate leads by 1-3 points, you're bound to get 1 or 2 that show the other candidate with a narrow lead. This is totally consistent with what we know, and Ernst is still on track to win.

Agreed. A small Ernst win is within the margin of error of this poll as well.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 House Election Polls / Re: CO-06: Coffman in the lead on: October 16, 2014, 06:52:20 pm
Oh well. Romanoff will be back to spank Coffman in 2016 when Clinton helps the Democrats take the House back.
The Democrats aren't taking the House back any earlier than 2022.  Gerrymandering will see to that.

It's quite possible the gerrymander will fall apart once Obama gets out of office. The gerrymander is based on the political coalitions formed during his first campaign and the presidency. Gerrymanders do tend to fall apart as coalitions change and as there is movement of people within a metro area/state. That is what happened in 2006 and 2008 as the Democrats overcame Republican gerrymanders to win big.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you rather live in Atlanta or Des Moines? on: October 16, 2014, 05:49:12 pm
I can't believe Des Moines is winning. There is an irrational love for the cold, flat midwest around these parts. Atlanta for me in a heartbeat.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Will the CO GOP finally break the hex this year (Senate/Gov?) on: October 16, 2014, 05:11:17 pm
I think Hickenlooper pulls it out (or at least I hope so) but Udall does not. Gardner comes across to me as moderate in the way he presents himself and how he has campaigned.He is a good candidate for suburban women and they usually decide elections in Colorado.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Defense of Obama on: October 16, 2014, 07:15:57 am
There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.

There is so much dumb there that I am not sure where to start. First of all, non-white people in Louisiana and Mississippi do not vote Republican. Can we at least agree on that? Like, seriously, we need to agree on that or just commit suicide because there would be no point to living otherwise.

Ok, now that we have gotten beyond the deep south (hopefully), we can start discussing Hispanic voting patterns. Rove figured out in 2004 how to get middle class Hispanics to vote for the Republican party. Subsequently, the Republican party went on a mission to figure out how to repel such votes. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand contemporary American politics. You may want to apologize for the Republican party due to your own personal biases, but you need to understand that going nativist repels Hispanic and Asian votes, even if those individuals own their own businesses making more than $500,000 a year. It is more important to an individual that their success be celebrated and appreciated than them having to pay 3% more in taxes. Does that make sense to you? I know you are not a racist, and you may have a hard time understanding this, but many of your Republican friends and family are. That is why minorities, especially those who are doing well economically, don't vote for you guys.

At this point you may be pissed, protesting vehemently that the Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. That is not how things are perceived though, and perception is reality. I will admit that some Republicans have gotten smart about this, but it remains to be seen how successful this is. The Republicans need to push a message of prosperity regardless of race, ethnicity, religion etc. If they are successful at this, they will be successful in the near future. If they are not, then they won't be, as well off minorities vote Democrat because the alternative is a hostile Republican party.

When are Republicans going to be able to spread that message? Do they even care enough to spread that message? Are the Republicans interested in being the party of white people or well off Americans? That is a question the Republicans themselves need to answer. Are they content with being a fascist party or do they want to maintain themselves as a conservative party? That is something for the Republican party to decide for themselves.

I agree with a good portion of what you said, and it's part of why I'm not enthusiastic about the GOP even if I think a lot of the criticism of them on this board goes off the deep end. But I don't see what that has to do with the post you just said was dumb. Seems like you are responding to something else.  Do you really think that King's explanation of why minorities vote Democrat is accurate?  (From what you just posted it seems like you think it is something else) How does it account for the vote of Hispanics in rural West Texas or the vote of rural blacks in Mississippi to say that minorities vote Democrat because they appreciate urban public services?

(The Republican members of my family are no more racist than I am, btw. Maybe a bit less PC unintentionally sometimes. I'm guessing that was just a throw away phrase but that's kind of a silly thing for you to say.)

I agree with King to a certain extent but not totally. Some of the difference in racial voting is due to where people reside, but that is not always true. It is truer of the white population than it is of non-whites in particular.

Income is also very important in determining one's vote. That is why I don't see the Mississippi delta or Hispanics working in Central Valley farms voting Republican. That being said there are Hispanics who live in exurban/rural areas and are well off that started voting Democrat recently. The inland empire of California and the Central Valley are two examples as well as southern Colorado. I was mostly responding to AG's post though where he implies minorities vote Republican in minority heavy Republican areas. That is absolutely ridiculous in the Deep South and in the other places he listed (Hispanic heavy) would only be true in 2004. Since then the Republicans have repelled such votes from Hispanics. Indeed, in 2004 after adjusting for income and where Hispanics live, there would be almost no difference in the white and Hispanic vote. That is what the Republican Party needs to get back to.
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