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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did Reagan Democrats vote post Reagan? on: June 11, 2015, 03:20:35 pm
After 84:

Strong Bush
Lean Clinton
Lean Clinton
Lean Bush
Lean Bush
Strong McCain
Strong Romney

I tend to think of a blue-collar, white, poor to middle class worker from Ohio or Pennsylvania when I think of this.

I disagree with them voting Strong McCain or Romney. I would say lean McCain and Romney. Otherwise, there is no way Obama would have won those states.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California raises smoking age to 21 on: June 03, 2015, 01:11:53 am
Good. Hopefully this means more 18-20 year olds will illegally do cool and fun drugs like tobacco and marijuana instead, and not this useless, utterly disgusting FILTH that they only do because it's legal. Break the law with fun stuff, not this garbage that does NOTHING positive.

If anything this will make smoking cigarettes cooler because it will be illegal. Absolutely idiotic.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Cory Gardner's Crusade to Ban Condoms Continues on: May 29, 2015, 02:16:42 pm
I'm...confused. Is his plan really bad it are my fellow Democrats being ironic in regards to Gardner because of his past (and probably true) position on personhood and abortion?

[OOC]Both. This really is an intentional attempt by Republican to undercut Obamacare's coverage of contraceptives. If that wasn't their goal, they could have included a line in the bill that insurance companies must cover OOC birth control pills identically to how they would cover prescription contraception. (That would still be a bad bill because women, especially teenage girls, shouldn't be taking birth control pills without discussing all the pros and cons with a doctor first.)

Also, Gardner sucks (for his support of "Personhood," at least until it became politically inconvenient, and for other reasons as well), so his lampooning deserves to be mocked.[/OOC]

If your doctor gives you a prescription for something also available over the counter, and the law already says that the prescription for this medication must be covered without co-pay...?    Maybe this is an attempt to undercut the coverage mandate, but if it is, it is extremely ineffectual.

Under Obamacare, insurance companies can choose not to cover OTC medications (which most insurance companies do anyways). So any birth control available OTC could technically not be covered.

Also, I must add that this is a little dangerous. I don't think 18 year old smokers should be able to stroll down the aisle and pick up oral contraceptives without a doctor or pharmacist telling them to not smoke while taking the birth control.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Cory Gardner's Crusade to Ban Condoms Continues on: May 29, 2015, 02:13:44 pm
People get prescriptions for OTC medicines all the time, with insurance coverage.  What is the issue here?

That can happen sometimes but very rarely.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: AZ shuts down welfare benefits after 12 months...... on: May 20, 2015, 12:44:45 pm
Is their goal to make self-deportation a reality?
I know I would self-deport from Arizona at this rate.

That's the general idea, yes.

Joe might be on the new Southern Border.

At least northern AZ should be kept in America. It has many redeeming qualities.
6  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: More chatter about a Dem redraw of CD lines in CA if SCOTUS tanks AZ commission on: May 19, 2015, 11:25:12 pm
  We will probably ended up with indictments of several additional Democratic legislators. 

Uhh...what?
7  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: More chatter about a Dem redraw of CD lines in CA if SCOTUS tanks AZ commission on: May 19, 2015, 08:21:05 am
California's legislature had less input than Arizona's when creating the congressional districts so I highly doubt the Supreme Court could strike down Arizona's districts and not California's. Then again, this court has proven it is capable of anything so.....

Valadao and Denham can easily be removed. Get rid of Kings County from Valadao and give him more of Fresno and Denham gets to represent Salinas. Both would be finished in that scenario. Steve Knight could be easily gotten rid of in SoCal but the other districts would be a bit tougher. At least 3 districts could be gained for the Democrats without breaking a sweat while shoring up the rest of the Democrats.

Not that I am feeling particularly favorable towards Democrats these days (I recently found out how much money I get to keep after taxes) but this is the sort of sh**t that really pisses me off about Republicans. You have gerrymandered the country to such an extent that you can win elections while losing the popular vote. Any self respecting human would take that and get on with it, but not Republicans. The greedy bastards want more, more and some more. It is just low class behavior, and not surprisingly it is the Arizona Republican party leading the charge. This sort of sh**t pisses me off even more than the alternate minimum tax. Smiley
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CA-Sen: California Quake on: May 14, 2015, 04:34:06 pm
I suspect it will be Sanchez vs Harris.  Sanchez will try to appeal to moderates in the general election, as well as Hispanics.  I could see her winning if she campaigns well.

If she tries to play the Latino card too much, she will lose. She needs to do it covertly, and make sure it is not being printed in the LA times. In the top two primary, Latinos won't make up more than maybe 20% of the vote.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: California 100 years from now on: May 02, 2015, 09:37:22 pm
There are far fewer "rich" liberals in the US than this forum likes to believe, and there are without a doubt more rich conservatives.  This idea that the Democratic Party is 50% minorities and 50% rich PhD cosmopolitans who play hero and look out for said minorities' interests is ... well, it's funny.

CA is a state run for and by the wealthy liberal elites.

Yet its most affluent county (Orange) is a GOP stronghold.  There's not a blue state in the Union that Democrats have these mythical "liberal elites" to thank for their margins of victory.

Have you heard of the bay area? The poorest county in the bay area has the same median income as Orange County.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2015 At-large Senate Election on: April 19, 2015, 05:48:55 pm
1) Yankee
2) polnut
3) Cris
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 12, 2015, 01:29:24 am
So...none of the 40-60 inches of precip across the Sierra Nevadas ever runs down into the valley.? We're not in Kansas anymore.  Significant amounts of water flow into the land rather than falling from the sky.  To insist they farm as if the 5" that falls is all they get is probably why you always sucked at SimCity.

They need new reservoirs and they need to expand others to hold more during wet years.  Im surprised the who,e valley isn't covered in greenhouses with hydroponics like Spain.  But then...Spains produce is terrible and flavorless.



I support having new reservoirs but not growing crops that require intensive irrigation year round. Of course, watering lawns doesn't make much sense either....
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 10, 2015, 11:58:28 pm
50% of Los Angeles' water usage goes to landscaping. Just imagine how much water could be saved if the landscape looked like Las Vegas or Phoenix.

Another thing: Drive through the central valley and you'll see miles and miles of orchards. We're going to have to eventually eliminate stuff like growing almond tree orchards if we want to be serious about water usage.

Banning fracking will also help. 70 million gallons of water were used for fracking in the state last year. Brown's reasoning is that the gas will have to be imported from out of state via fossil fuel intensive methods if we didn't drill for it here, but the bottom line is we might have to do that if water is such a scarcity.

It can be done. But even California is too resistant to huge and rapid lifestyle changes like that. We'll see.

Currently, Los Angeles is offering incentives for homeowners to change grass-covered lawns to more desert-friendly landscaping. That said, there's only so much can be done targeting residential buildings. The vast majority of water use in California is used by agricultural interests, and they're really the ones who will bear the brunt of the squeeze.

Too many farms, not enough water for them.

Even farming itself isn't a problem, but rather the crops that are grown. You can't continue watering Almond, Cashew and Pistachio trees year round in a desert that receives 5 inches of rain and the average high is around 100 degrees for 3 months of the year.
Major exaggerations here, Sbane.  Annual rainfall in the central valley varies from a low of 8" in Bakersfield to 18" in Sacramento to 33" in Redding.  That alone would be enough for dry land farming.  But the central valley prior to development often flooded and was full of vast marshes and oak groves.  So they get far more water by being surrounded by mountains.

CA needs bigger reservoirs.  Or we can dismantle the state and buy almonds from abroad.

Everywhere in the world has benefitted by adapting the environment to retain water.  Because thats what life does.  It retains water.

The west side of the valley does have areas that receive about 5 inches of rain a year.
13  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: 2012 White Obama Lovers Map by County Project - TN added on: April 10, 2015, 10:51:39 am
Are Obama's "white lovers" male or female? Inquiring minds want to know.

Gays and females. Tongue

Adam, nice job on Tennessee, considering the constraints you mentioned. I have calculated the white vote % for Davidson County before and I got the same number as you. Based on my interactions with people it would seem like a decent majority of whites are voting Democrat here but I usually hang around places like Downtown, East Nashville, Germantown and the West End area where whites are voting for the Democrats. That drops precipitously once you get outside the 440/Briley Parkway loop.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 09, 2015, 06:52:07 pm
50% of Los Angeles' water usage goes to landscaping. Just imagine how much water could be saved if the landscape looked like Las Vegas or Phoenix.

Another thing: Drive through the central valley and you'll see miles and miles of orchards. We're going to have to eventually eliminate stuff like growing almond tree orchards if we want to be serious about water usage.

Banning fracking will also help. 70 million gallons of water were used for fracking in the state last year. Brown's reasoning is that the gas will have to be imported from out of state via fossil fuel intensive methods if we didn't drill for it here, but the bottom line is we might have to do that if water is such a scarcity.

It can be done. But even California is too resistant to huge and rapid lifestyle changes like that. We'll see.

Currently, Los Angeles is offering incentives for homeowners to change grass-covered lawns to more desert-friendly landscaping. That said, there's only so much can be done targeting residential buildings. The vast majority of water use in California is used by agricultural interests, and they're really the ones who will bear the brunt of the squeeze.

Too many farms, not enough water for them.

Even farming itself isn't a problem, but rather the crops that are grown. You can't continue watering Almond, Cashew and Pistachio trees year round in a desert that receives 5 inches of rain and the average high is around 100 degrees for 3 months of the year.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What % of the vote would Jeb Bush get in CA? on: April 09, 2015, 11:34:07 am
Low 40s, not because he's good, but because Clinton-Bush would be the lowest turnout of all the matchup since its so boring. Everyone else would go <40.

Excellent point. I can see many Hispanics and Asians who are not as engaged in the process to just sit out the election. Bush won't be as offensive to Hispanics and Asians compared to other Republicans so there is no incentive to go out and vote.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 09:27:03 am
This is what happens when the pro-immigration side makes themselves look this bad, essentially dismissing Congress from the process and engaging in illegal mass legalizations. They only have themselves to blame.

A future President, either a Republican or a law-abiding Democrat, will likely propose a reasonable immigration reform bill that will tilt the numbers back in its favor relatively quickly.

This poll is about illegal immigration!!!! I don't think the public will ever support illegal immigration, and nor should they. If changes need to be made to accommodate certain industries to rationalize the immigration system, like agriculture or meat packing, then it should be done by legislation.



A majority against birthright citizenship, an extremely long-running right? That's a sign of serious polarization caused by angry partisanship.

I don't think opinions on that changed overnight. Being in favor of legal immigration and opposing birthright citizenship are not mutually exclusive. I don't think there is good data to suggest Americans have become more anti-immigrant after Obama's executive order. I don't trust the push poll cited in the OP. Especially since we can't compare answers to those specific questions from before the executive order.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 08:55:21 am
And here is a more reputable source on the opinion of immigration in this country.
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/section-4-views-on-immigration-and-race/
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 08:49:46 am
This is what happens when the pro-immigration side makes themselves look this bad, essentially dismissing Congress from the process and engaging in illegal mass legalizations. They only have themselves to blame.

A future President, either a Republican or a law-abiding Democrat, will likely propose a reasonable immigration reform bill that will tilt the numbers back in its favor relatively quickly.

This poll is about illegal immigration!!!! I don't think the public will ever support illegal immigration, and nor should they. If changes need to be made to accommodate certain industries to rationalize the immigration system, like agriculture or meat packing, then it should be done by legislation.

19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 08:40:15 am
Deportation of illegal immigrants?

Not aggressive enough: 62%
Too aggressive: 16%
About right: 15%

Should illegals with American-born children be exempt from deportation?

No: 51%
Yes: 32%

Should there be an automatic birthright citizenship for children born to illegal immigrant mothers?

No: 54%
Yes: 38%

Should a person have to prove they are in the country legally before recieving government services?


Yes: 83%
No: 12%

http://rt.com/usa/247217-us-voters-immigration-poll/

OUCH. Even more harsh than my opinions.

I know you are a dirty racist and probably don't make a distinction, but this poll is about illegal immigrants, not immigrants in general. Your thread title is misleading.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: will dzhokhar tsarnaev get the death penalty?? should he?? on: April 09, 2015, 08:36:04 am
This is exactly the sort of case I think the death penalty should be reserved for. Hopefully the jury agrees.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican Actually Makes Reasonable Remark re: Immigration on: April 08, 2015, 03:14:18 pm
I think most people on the left support this, and economically (and morally of course) it makes sense to put these people into the system, but Republicans in Congress would obviously never support it and neither would a lot of "moderate" Democrats.

It makes sense to extend health coverage to these people because they end up getting care anyways through emergency rooms. That being said, California trying to go this alone would be disastrous. How much more can taxes he raised in California? I would support this only if the Feds assist with the costs.
22  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: California and Texas Tipping Points on: April 07, 2015, 03:58:23 pm
I would flip San Benito in California. It is usually a great bellwether for the state.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 03, 2015, 06:09:41 pm
Tweed, do you think it is ethical to hand someone some heroin and a syringe, knowing that it could possibly lead to an overdose? Safe injection sites are an option, but I don't see how it is ethical to have IV drug abuse be legal in any other setting.

You could kill yourself by drinking two big bottles of whiskey, but people get away with buying that all the time.

The odds are that if you provided heroin addicts with unadulterated product in a safe and harm-reductive environment, they are not going to overdose.  It's not like they'd be trying to kill themselves.

You can't compare the potency of alcohol to opiates. It is much easier to overdose on opiates than alcohol. This is especially true of those engaging in IV drug abuse. Safe injection sites may work but I would not give out heroin to be used in an unsupervised environment.

most unintentional heroin overdoses occur because it's always a guessing game trying to discern the potency of street heroin.  if the potency was certain, accidental heroin overdoses would go down considerably.

I think it would go down some, due to the uncertain potency problem, but I am not sure how considerable the change would be. Just look at the amount of overdoses from prescription opiates.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 03, 2015, 05:56:42 am
Tweed, do you think it is ethical to hand someone some heroin and a syringe, knowing that it could possibly lead to an overdose? Safe injection sites are an option, but I don't see how it is ethical to have IV drug abuse be legal in any other setting.

You could kill yourself by drinking two big bottles of whiskey, but people get away with buying that all the time.

The odds are that if you provided heroin addicts with unadulterated product in a safe and harm-reductive environment, they are not going to overdose.  It's not like they'd be trying to kill themselves.

You can't compare the potency of alcohol to opiates. It is much easier to overdose on opiates than alcohol. This is especially true of those engaging in IV drug abuse. Safe injection sites may work but I would not give out heroin to be used in an unsupervised environment.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 02, 2015, 10:20:12 am
Tweed, do you think it is ethical to hand someone some heroin and a syringe, knowing that it could possibly lead to an overdose? Safe injection sites are an option, but I don't see how it is ethical to have IV drug abuse be legal in any other setting.

It is also not necessarily true that drug overdoses happen due to uncertain purity on the black market. Plenty of people overdose on prescription opiates and you know exactly what you are getting with those pills. I am not sure if legal heroin will produce less overdoses than black market heroin.
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