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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2015 At-large Senate Election on: April 19, 2015, 05:48:55 pm
1) Yankee
2) polnut
3) Cris
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 12, 2015, 01:29:24 am
So...none of the 40-60 inches of precip across the Sierra Nevadas ever runs down into the valley.? We're not in Kansas anymore.  Significant amounts of water flow into the land rather than falling from the sky.  To insist they farm as if the 5" that falls is all they get is probably why you always sucked at SimCity.

They need new reservoirs and they need to expand others to hold more during wet years.  Im surprised the who,e valley isn't covered in greenhouses with hydroponics like Spain.  But then...Spains produce is terrible and flavorless.



I support having new reservoirs but not growing crops that require intensive irrigation year round. Of course, watering lawns doesn't make much sense either....
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 10, 2015, 11:58:28 pm
50% of Los Angeles' water usage goes to landscaping. Just imagine how much water could be saved if the landscape looked like Las Vegas or Phoenix.

Another thing: Drive through the central valley and you'll see miles and miles of orchards. We're going to have to eventually eliminate stuff like growing almond tree orchards if we want to be serious about water usage.

Banning fracking will also help. 70 million gallons of water were used for fracking in the state last year. Brown's reasoning is that the gas will have to be imported from out of state via fossil fuel intensive methods if we didn't drill for it here, but the bottom line is we might have to do that if water is such a scarcity.

It can be done. But even California is too resistant to huge and rapid lifestyle changes like that. We'll see.

Currently, Los Angeles is offering incentives for homeowners to change grass-covered lawns to more desert-friendly landscaping. That said, there's only so much can be done targeting residential buildings. The vast majority of water use in California is used by agricultural interests, and they're really the ones who will bear the brunt of the squeeze.

Too many farms, not enough water for them.

Even farming itself isn't a problem, but rather the crops that are grown. You can't continue watering Almond, Cashew and Pistachio trees year round in a desert that receives 5 inches of rain and the average high is around 100 degrees for 3 months of the year.
Major exaggerations here, Sbane.  Annual rainfall in the central valley varies from a low of 8" in Bakersfield to 18" in Sacramento to 33" in Redding.  That alone would be enough for dry land farming.  But the central valley prior to development often flooded and was full of vast marshes and oak groves.  So they get far more water by being surrounded by mountains.

CA needs bigger reservoirs.  Or we can dismantle the state and buy almonds from abroad.

Everywhere in the world has benefitted by adapting the environment to retain water.  Because thats what life does.  It retains water.

The west side of the valley does have areas that receive about 5 inches of rain a year.
4  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: 2012 White Obama Lovers Map by County Project - TN added on: April 10, 2015, 10:51:39 am
Are Obama's "white lovers" male or female? Inquiring minds want to know.

Gays and females. Tongue

Adam, nice job on Tennessee, considering the constraints you mentioned. I have calculated the white vote % for Davidson County before and I got the same number as you. Based on my interactions with people it would seem like a decent majority of whites are voting Democrat here but I usually hang around places like Downtown, East Nashville, Germantown and the West End area where whites are voting for the Democrats. That drops precipitously once you get outside the 440/Briley Parkway loop.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 09, 2015, 06:52:07 pm
50% of Los Angeles' water usage goes to landscaping. Just imagine how much water could be saved if the landscape looked like Las Vegas or Phoenix.

Another thing: Drive through the central valley and you'll see miles and miles of orchards. We're going to have to eventually eliminate stuff like growing almond tree orchards if we want to be serious about water usage.

Banning fracking will also help. 70 million gallons of water were used for fracking in the state last year. Brown's reasoning is that the gas will have to be imported from out of state via fossil fuel intensive methods if we didn't drill for it here, but the bottom line is we might have to do that if water is such a scarcity.

It can be done. But even California is too resistant to huge and rapid lifestyle changes like that. We'll see.

Currently, Los Angeles is offering incentives for homeowners to change grass-covered lawns to more desert-friendly landscaping. That said, there's only so much can be done targeting residential buildings. The vast majority of water use in California is used by agricultural interests, and they're really the ones who will bear the brunt of the squeeze.

Too many farms, not enough water for them.

Even farming itself isn't a problem, but rather the crops that are grown. You can't continue watering Almond, Cashew and Pistachio trees year round in a desert that receives 5 inches of rain and the average high is around 100 degrees for 3 months of the year.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What % of the vote would Jeb Bush get in CA? on: April 09, 2015, 11:34:07 am
Low 40s, not because he's good, but because Clinton-Bush would be the lowest turnout of all the matchup since its so boring. Everyone else would go <40.

Excellent point. I can see many Hispanics and Asians who are not as engaged in the process to just sit out the election. Bush won't be as offensive to Hispanics and Asians compared to other Republicans so there is no incentive to go out and vote.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 09:27:03 am
This is what happens when the pro-immigration side makes themselves look this bad, essentially dismissing Congress from the process and engaging in illegal mass legalizations. They only have themselves to blame.

A future President, either a Republican or a law-abiding Democrat, will likely propose a reasonable immigration reform bill that will tilt the numbers back in its favor relatively quickly.

This poll is about illegal immigration!!!! I don't think the public will ever support illegal immigration, and nor should they. If changes need to be made to accommodate certain industries to rationalize the immigration system, like agriculture or meat packing, then it should be done by legislation.



A majority against birthright citizenship, an extremely long-running right? That's a sign of serious polarization caused by angry partisanship.

I don't think opinions on that changed overnight. Being in favor of legal immigration and opposing birthright citizenship are not mutually exclusive. I don't think there is good data to suggest Americans have become more anti-immigrant after Obama's executive order. I don't trust the push poll cited in the OP. Especially since we can't compare answers to those specific questions from before the executive order.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 08:55:21 am
And here is a more reputable source on the opinion of immigration in this country.
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/section-4-views-on-immigration-and-race/
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 08:49:46 am
This is what happens when the pro-immigration side makes themselves look this bad, essentially dismissing Congress from the process and engaging in illegal mass legalizations. They only have themselves to blame.

A future President, either a Republican or a law-abiding Democrat, will likely propose a reasonable immigration reform bill that will tilt the numbers back in its favor relatively quickly.

This poll is about illegal immigration!!!! I don't think the public will ever support illegal immigration, and nor should they. If changes need to be made to accommodate certain industries to rationalize the immigration system, like agriculture or meat packing, then it should be done by legislation.

10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 09, 2015, 08:40:15 am
Deportation of illegal immigrants?

Not aggressive enough: 62%
Too aggressive: 16%
About right: 15%

Should illegals with American-born children be exempt from deportation?

No: 51%
Yes: 32%

Should there be an automatic birthright citizenship for children born to illegal immigrant mothers?

No: 54%
Yes: 38%

Should a person have to prove they are in the country legally before recieving government services?


Yes: 83%
No: 12%

http://rt.com/usa/247217-us-voters-immigration-poll/

OUCH. Even more harsh than my opinions.

I know you are a dirty racist and probably don't make a distinction, but this poll is about illegal immigrants, not immigrants in general. Your thread title is misleading.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: will dzhokhar tsarnaev get the death penalty?? should he?? on: April 09, 2015, 08:36:04 am
This is exactly the sort of case I think the death penalty should be reserved for. Hopefully the jury agrees.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican Actually Makes Reasonable Remark re: Immigration on: April 08, 2015, 03:14:18 pm
I think most people on the left support this, and economically (and morally of course) it makes sense to put these people into the system, but Republicans in Congress would obviously never support it and neither would a lot of "moderate" Democrats.

It makes sense to extend health coverage to these people because they end up getting care anyways through emergency rooms. That being said, California trying to go this alone would be disastrous. How much more can taxes he raised in California? I would support this only if the Feds assist with the costs.
13  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: California and Texas Tipping Points on: April 07, 2015, 03:58:23 pm
I would flip San Benito in California. It is usually a great bellwether for the state.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 03, 2015, 06:09:41 pm
Tweed, do you think it is ethical to hand someone some heroin and a syringe, knowing that it could possibly lead to an overdose? Safe injection sites are an option, but I don't see how it is ethical to have IV drug abuse be legal in any other setting.

You could kill yourself by drinking two big bottles of whiskey, but people get away with buying that all the time.

The odds are that if you provided heroin addicts with unadulterated product in a safe and harm-reductive environment, they are not going to overdose.  It's not like they'd be trying to kill themselves.

You can't compare the potency of alcohol to opiates. It is much easier to overdose on opiates than alcohol. This is especially true of those engaging in IV drug abuse. Safe injection sites may work but I would not give out heroin to be used in an unsupervised environment.

most unintentional heroin overdoses occur because it's always a guessing game trying to discern the potency of street heroin.  if the potency was certain, accidental heroin overdoses would go down considerably.

I think it would go down some, due to the uncertain potency problem, but I am not sure how considerable the change would be. Just look at the amount of overdoses from prescription opiates.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 03, 2015, 05:56:42 am
Tweed, do you think it is ethical to hand someone some heroin and a syringe, knowing that it could possibly lead to an overdose? Safe injection sites are an option, but I don't see how it is ethical to have IV drug abuse be legal in any other setting.

You could kill yourself by drinking two big bottles of whiskey, but people get away with buying that all the time.

The odds are that if you provided heroin addicts with unadulterated product in a safe and harm-reductive environment, they are not going to overdose.  It's not like they'd be trying to kill themselves.

You can't compare the potency of alcohol to opiates. It is much easier to overdose on opiates than alcohol. This is especially true of those engaging in IV drug abuse. Safe injection sites may work but I would not give out heroin to be used in an unsupervised environment.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 02, 2015, 10:20:12 am
Tweed, do you think it is ethical to hand someone some heroin and a syringe, knowing that it could possibly lead to an overdose? Safe injection sites are an option, but I don't see how it is ethical to have IV drug abuse be legal in any other setting.

It is also not necessarily true that drug overdoses happen due to uncertain purity on the black market. Plenty of people overdose on prescription opiates and you know exactly what you are getting with those pills. I am not sure if legal heroin will produce less overdoses than black market heroin.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 01, 2015, 07:02:50 pm
I am glad you both don't think users should be put in jail but that is occurring every single day in this country, and it is a huge problem. Drug abuse will continue until we get these people out of jail and start treating them. At the very least they won't suffer the indignities of going to jail, having to join gangs to protect oneself or selling oneself for drugs.

What did you think of drug courts as part of the solution, as I linked above?

It is certainly a step in the right direction, and much better than a lot of the rest of the country, but I would still like decriminalization with programs like the drug courts for IV drug abusers and other repeat offenders who need help.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: April 01, 2015, 12:46:07 pm
I am glad you both don't think users should be put in jail but that is occurring every single day in this country, and it is a huge problem. Drug abuse will continue until we get these people out of jail and start treating them. At the very least they won't suffer the indignities of going to jail, having to join gangs to protect oneself or selling oneself for drugs.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The War on Drugs-will it ever end? on: March 31, 2015, 08:12:43 pm
Heroin abuse has become a big issue in the Chicago suburbs. The pricing issue noted by Tweed is a key factor. People with injuries are prescribed opiate pain killers and develop a dependency. Buying the same pills on the black market is expensive so those with serious addiction turn to illegal opiates such as heroin. It's cheaper in part because it isn't controlled for purity and dose.

My concern with creating a state monopoly in addictive drugs is that the state would be responsible for the quality of the drug. The state would turn to reputable manufacturers and that will drive up price. A black market in impure drugs would likely meet the demand of those looking for a cheaper fix, just as it does now for prescription meds. Then the state is back to where we are now - cracking down on dealers of illegal drugs through arrest and incarceration.

We have the same issue here in Columbia County. Heroin use is out of control in the local high school. Kids take the opiate prescription drugs, get addicted, but they are expensive, and heroin is cheap, so they switch to heroin. And as Muon2 notes, sometimes they die due to scoring a toxic batch. Lives are being destroyed. The local DA spends most of his time on hard drug, sex abuse and parental abuse (with the parental abuse cases sometimes involving sex abuse) cases. So the "war" must continue. The trick is to use the right tactics in waging the war.

Incarceration for heroin users? I hope you are not advocating for that.....

Although I understand that something must be done, incarceration solves nothing. They need to be treated.
20  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Per SCOTUS, initiative created redistricting commissions may be l'histoire on: March 30, 2015, 07:23:03 am
Wasserman redraws CA. He mostly just shores up the more vulnerable Democrats and gets rid of Valadao.

At the very least, Denham and Knight could be put in swing districts in addition to getting rid of Valadao. There is no reason to strengthen the other districts to the extent that he did.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Atlasia v. Ogis/Tyrion on: March 29, 2015, 07:33:23 pm
I confirm that I voted Not Guilty.
22  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Mid-2014 county population estimates out tomorrow, March 26 on: March 28, 2015, 03:38:55 pm
Here is a corrected version of the county map that I posted earlier:



Los Angeles and Riverside County look wrong....
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Most Conservative and Liberal Presidents since 1964 on: March 26, 2015, 06:41:51 am
1. George W Bush
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Barack Obama
6. Richard Nixon
7. Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter
8 . Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
9.  Lyndon B Johnson

It wasn't entirely sure about seven and eight.

How was Bill Clinton more Liberal then Obama,Carter, Nixon


Bill Clinton- Cut the growth of government more then any president then IKE
                   Signed NAFTA
                   Welfare Reform of 1996
                   Deregulation
                   DOMA
                   

If it werent for Social Issues he would basically be a Republican


Clinton was indeed way too conservative. But Carter's domestic policy was also on the right-deregulating transport, austerity, budget-cutting. Also, Clinton at least passed a few more progressive measures (CHIP, Americorps, environmental legislation) whereas Carter did almost nothing but fold to the right. On the hand, Carter's foreign policy was relatively progressive, as he did not launch any pointless military "interventions" whereas Clinton pointlessly bombed Mid East countries through 1998. So, it's a draw.

But whereas Carter and Clinton had certain diplomatic successes in promoting peace, Obama has almost totally accepted the Bush Doctrine. Also, his civil liberties is atrocious, and except for the token stimulus, his fiscal program has mostly been austerity. He wouldn't even repeal the Bush tax cuts with a deeply Democratic Congress.

I wouldnt say too Conservative as I agree with more of those policies and I consider myself a moderate. But Obama signed Obama Care, Refuses to invade ISIS territory(I dont mean nation build I mean go in defeat ISIS and leave), Supports Amnesty, Wants to raise taxes etc. For civil liberties Conservatives and Liberals should equally support them so I would say its more of a Liberatirian thing now.

Obamacare was a bailout to insurance and a betrayal to the progressive goal of public health care-even the lousy 1993 Clinton plan let state's set up single-payer systems with their Medicare. And he's launching drones killing thousands of people with mercy over ISIS even though it's clear another Iraqi conflict would be extremely foolish. The lack of ground troops is, in my opinion, a cheap way to have war without sparking a antiwar movement. I see no sign Obama wants to raise taxes; I mean, he extended the 2001 Bush tax cuts when even some of the Blue Dog's thought it was time for an increase. Every president since Reagan has supported amnesty.


For the ISIS situation cant you go in destroy them like we did to the Taliban in 2001 then leave immediately instead of occupying the place for 10 years.

And then who occupies that power vacuum? The world is not that simple.
24  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: the Inland Empire on: March 25, 2015, 05:10:19 pm
I am not sure when it started, but today the IE definitely has its own identity, just like Orange County.

With the exception of a few places like San Bernardino, the IE is a collection of fairly middle class bedroom communities. One of the reasons it may have a bad reputation is due to "bros". Here is the definition from urban dictionary:
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bro
a usually white young male, found commonly in places like san bernardino county in california, as well as orange county. always, without exception, drive big lifted trucks, often white. has the name of their crew or whatever in big white letters on their back window (ie, "skin", "metal mulisha". wear: trucker hats off center, plug earrings, sunglasses, wife beater shirt or no shirt, sagging dickies shorts, high black socks, skater shoes or those black corduroy slipper things, have a lot of tatoos of things like stars.

my neighbor is a bro. hes got the lifted loud truck, wears the stuff, and even has a confederate flag hanging from his rearview mirror.


Also, here is an article about the aftermath of the Huntington Beach riot and the accusations that "909ers" (Inland Empire area code) started it.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama snuffs stoner dreams of legalization on: March 21, 2015, 02:41:13 pm
At least he supports decriminalization. That's a much higher priority than legalization.
Not really. That's like saying "civil unions are a much higher priority than same-sex marriage."

Bad analogy. Although I do support it, marijuana legalization is not a civil rights issue. Priority number one should be stopping hundreds of thousands of kids/nonviolent offenders from being thrown into jail for smoking pot.

Cite? Please limit your answer for incarceration based on "smoking" pot as opposed to traffickers.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/crime#sthash.QBM8Tyac.dpbs

Of the 1,501,043 arrests for drug law violations, 82.3% were for possession of a controlled substance. 40.3% of those arrests were for possession of Marijuana. That comes out to about 604,908 arrests for Marijuana possession in 2013. So yeah, hundreds of thousands of people are being thrown into jail every year for smoking pot, especially Blacks, Latinos and poors.

I question the definition of "arrest" used here, and whether many such "arrests" simply involve police contact and release after service of a citation. Ibin Rushid's comment is more telling and specific, though.

Perhaps I'm seeing this through the lens of Ohio law which decriminalized up to 100 gm of mj ages ago. Oddly, drug paraphernalia was punishable by up to 30 days, so while a joint might only get you a fine (and mandatory license suspension even if not driving/riding in a car at the time), the paper could get you jail time (or the baggie the weed was in, or the pipe, etc.). That long overdue change was finally made only a couple years ago to where MJ related paraphernalia is now only punishable by a fine as well.

Yes, you may look at this differently because Ohio is one state that has decriminalized weed. The fact is that most Midwestern, Mid Atlantic and Southern states have not decriminalized. Or they have ass backwards loopholes like in New York. Plenty of people get arrested for simple possession. The arrests are easy to make, the cases easy to resolve and it is fairly safe for the officer as stoners are usually not violent. And by having more arrests, they can justify their budget.
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