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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CNN’s King: “This Is Nuts” Clinton’s Schedules Won’t Be Released Before Election on: August 29, 2016, 09:58:49 am
Okay, so when will Trump release his tax records?
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: She went there: Hillary releases ad about KKK's support for Donald Trump on: August 28, 2016, 11:39:04 pm
It is not fair to tar someone based on who supports such person. As Reagan said, about kooks supporting him, is that they are supporting me, I am not supporting them. I think this ad is a waste of money. I don't think most folks think Trump is a racist. He's a nationalist, and a xenophobe, but not  a racist. Bashing Trump for his fondness for Putin is fair game.

The only rational piece of criticism of Trump here.

What is a "Xenophobe"?  Really, what is it?  Let's look at the progression of beliefs:

(A)  A person who is concerned with the principle of the Rule of Law, and views a de facto immigration policy of "If you can make it here, you're home free." as a serious violation of that principle.

(B)  A person who is concerned about the costs borne by the American taxpayer from illegal immigration as a result of a porous border.

(C)  A person who is concerned, based on past events, that the vetting process currently employed by ICE isn't sufficient to prevent members of terror cells from entering America under the cover of being "refugees".

(D)  A person who is concerned that increasing overall levels of legal immigration will increase the level of competition for American jobs.

(E)  A person who is concerned that certain groups of immigrants, based on stated beliefs of folks in those certain groups, may be fundamentally opposed to the aspects of America that make America the "Land of the Free" (commitment to liberal democracy, Bill of Rights, individual freedoms).

(G)  An opposition to the idea that all borders should be open, and that folks should be able to enter any nation they want to, regardless.

Are these "Xenophobic" beliefs?  If so, what makes them so?  Since the term is freely being thrown about in discussions, I wonder if someone might be so kind as to define the term.



It is probably correlated with a failure to accurately list the first 6 letters of the alphabet. Tongue

But anyway, nice try. If those were your actual positions (or those of Trump's) you wouldn't necessarily be a xenophobe. Apart from E). Yeah, if you think that you can just blatantly generalize an entire group based on the stated beliefs of some members of that group you're probably a little racist.

And on C), what are these past events? How many Syrian refugees have committed terrorist attacks in the US again, remind me?

I think you also forgot F) Calling a group of people rapists and wanting to put up a register over members of a religion to profile them. Introducing blatantly discriminatory policies. Claiming that foreign nations have invented global warming as part of anti-American conspiracy. Advocating slaughter of foreign civilians to enrich your own country. And other such things.

What I stated are my actual positions.  "F" is your input.

Truthfully, for a moderator, you are reprehensible.

Pretty rich for you, of all people, to call someone else reprehensible.

Since you're barely an adult, I'll be understanding.

When you grow up, you'll get it on how to engage without being a jerk.

I've not called people names until now, but the attempt to stigmatize folks for their choices in this election is, frankly, left-wing McCarthyism.  Not surprising from supporters of a Democrat who, personally, is the most like Nixon.

And, yes, for the previous post, I expect a moderator to behave like a moderator. 

I don't engage on this forum much anymore because there isn't much to talk about besides analyzing the polls. There are no issues to discuss. You either support the fascist for president or you don't. That's what this election is about. You support a fascist and it's horrifying to see so many people around the country do the same. You are utterly reprehensible. For your sake I hope Trump doesn't win, because you will have to live with the consequences of that vote for the rest of your life. How did people who voted for Hitler feel after the war was over? You may be finding that out if Trump somehow becomes president. That is assuming humanity doesn't end in a nuclear holocaust due to Trump's presidency.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: She went there: Hillary releases ad about KKK's support for Donald Trump on: August 28, 2016, 09:35:53 pm
It is not fair to tar someone based on who supports such person. As Reagan said, about kooks supporting him, is that they are supporting me, I am not supporting them. I think this ad is a waste of money. I don't think most folks think Trump is a racist. He's a nationalist, and a xenophobe, but not  a racist. Bashing Trump for his fondness for Putin is fair game.

The only rational piece of criticism of Trump here.

What is a "Xenophobe"?  Really, what is it?  Let's look at the progression of beliefs:

(A)  A person who is concerned with the principle of the Rule of Law, and views a de facto immigration policy of "If you can make it here, you're home free." as a serious violation of that principle.

(B)  A person who is concerned about the costs borne by the American taxpayer from illegal immigration as a result of a porous border.

(C)  A person who is concerned, based on past events, that the vetting process currently employed by ICE isn't sufficient to prevent members of terror cells from entering America under the cover of being "refugees".

(D)  A person who is concerned that increasing overall levels of legal immigration will increase the level of competition for American jobs.

(E)  A person who is concerned that certain groups of immigrants, based on stated beliefs of folks in those certain groups, may be fundamentally opposed to the aspects of America that make America the "Land of the Free" (commitment to liberal democracy, Bill of Rights, individual freedoms).

(G)  An opposition to the idea that all borders should be open, and that folks should be able to enter any nation they want to, regardless.

Are these "Xenophobic" beliefs?  If so, what makes them so?  Since the term is freely being thrown about in discussions, I wonder if someone might be so kind as to define the term.



It is probably correlated with a failure to accurately list the first 6 letters of the alphabet. Tongue

But anyway, nice try. If those were your actual positions (or those of Trump's) you wouldn't necessarily be a xenophobe. Apart from E). Yeah, if you think that you can just blatantly generalize an entire group based on the stated beliefs of some members of that group you're probably a little racist.

And on C), what are these past events? How many Syrian refugees have committed terrorist attacks in the US again, remind me?

I think you also forgot F) Calling a group of people rapists and wanting to put up a register over members of a religion to profile them. Introducing blatantly discriminatory policies. Claiming that foreign nations have invented global warming as part of anti-American conspiracy. Advocating slaughter of foreign civilians to enrich your own country. And other such things.

What I stated are my actual positions.  "F" is your input.

Truthfully, for a moderator, you are reprehensible.

Pretty rich for you, of all people, to call someone else reprehensible.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton address in Reno to focus on Trump's ties to Alt-Right/White Nationalism on: August 25, 2016, 02:55:56 pm
The candidate that has no problem spewing the "N" word has no moral authority to attack Trump or the 31 million readers of Breitbart.com.

She really is a piece of work.

Alternatively, the poster regurgitating unsubstantiated smears has no right to pass judgement. Who's the real piece of work here?
That story has been substantiated over and over and over again. Hillary's racism and temper is very well documented.

It's ok Seriously?, her speech will be over soon, it will all be over soon...

Seriously? is seriously panicking.

He's short-circuiting something fierce.
If by short circuiting, you mean laughing at the red avatar response about this hackish speech, you are correct. This won't change the needle one bit.

No, but it will solidify it......
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton's popular vote percentage on: August 25, 2016, 01:53:14 pm
Yeah, I think she reaches it. Many of those undecided will probably not vote thus inflating the numbers from where they are right now for both Clinton and Trump. There will likely be some movement from Stein and Johnson's numbers into both the Clinton and Trump camp. In the end something like 50-44 or 51-43 for Clinton is my guess.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: When will Jewish voters leave the Democratic Party en masse? on: August 22, 2016, 06:52:27 pm
I think there will be a continued drift towards Republicans, assuming Trumpism doesn't become dominant in the Republican party going forward. Jewish people will swing to Hillary in this election. That on you can take to the bank. Long term, liberals being less pro-Israel and more fair minded regarding the Middle East issue could cause a move towards Republicans, though even that won't lead to Republicans actually winning the Jewish vote.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: FOX5 Atlanta/Opinion Savvy GA Poll: HRC 43/Trump 43 on: August 18, 2016, 02:23:55 pm
If Johnson truly takes 11% of the vote, Georgia is a pure Tossup, maybe even tilt D. Don't think it will happen, though. But yeah, it's definitely more winnable for Democrats than Arizona.

Yes, I've seen enough that I really think Georgia is going to flip if Clinton wins nationally by 4-6% or more.  This is VA in the late 2000's all over again. 

I also tend to agree that Arizona simply won't happen for her, unless McMullin manages to get on the ballot and take at least 3%.

I agree with this, but I think Arizona would be a better place for her to focus on even if she's less likely to win it.  She doesn't really need either state to win, but the extra money and presence could help down-ballot races, which are more competitive in Arizona.

Good point.  Kirkpatrick has a far better chance than Barksdale ever did, and AZ Dems don't have to worry about the 50% runoff threshold.  Are there any House opportunities for Dems in GA?  Does Woodall have a credible opponent?

AZ-2 is worth a shot as well as AZ-1.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2 on: August 18, 2016, 02:20:17 pm
Even with the caveat regarding underpolling of Democrats in Nevada, the polls are showing that Nevada is a closer race than Colorado, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Hillary will win in the end but that is an interesting change and could have implications in certain competitive congressional districts in California like CA-10.

That's a good point. Trump is probably a great fit for Central Valley and rural NV/AZ whites.  I'd look more to the outer L.A. County and Orange/San Diego County R districts for surprise Dem pickup opportunities.

Even CA-25 has the sort of demographics Trump could be doing better with than Romney/Mccain. Places like Palmdale and Lancaster have a lot of working class whites along with minorities. Santa Clarita and Simi Valley aren't the most anti-Trump areas either. I would expect that swing towards Hillary more in places like Thousand Oaks, Calabasas, La Canada Flintridge etc.

In Orange County/SD County, Issa is obviously in some trouble. A sleeper race could be CA-39. I am fairly confident Hillary will win the district. Fortunately for the Republicans, Royce seems fairly solid with good outreach to the well-off Asian groups who constitute an important swing vote in that district.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Pew National Poll: Clinton +4 on: August 18, 2016, 01:19:18 pm
Registered voters, too.. Glorious, glorious news to Make America Great Again.

Trump only up by 12 points. Yeah, I'll take it. Something tells me Latinos won't vote for their own deportation.
But not all Latino's will be deported. Illegal immigrants who are majority Latino but are also Asian, Irish etc

That's not how Latinos are looking at this race. They are scared of Trump and his rhetoric. Where is the line for him? Why shouldn't all minorities be scared of what Trump might do?
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2 on: August 18, 2016, 01:15:09 pm
Even with the caveat regarding underpolling of Democrats in Nevada, the polls are showing that Nevada is a closer race than Colorado, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Hillary will win in the end but that is an interesting change and could have implications in certain competitive congressional districts in California like CA-10.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Pew National Poll: Clinton +4 on: August 18, 2016, 01:12:52 pm
Registered voters, too.. Glorious, glorious news to Make America Great Again.

Trump only up by 12 points among whites. Yeah, I'll take it. Something tells me Latinos won't vote for their own deportation.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Illegal Aliens Headline Hillary Clinton Voter Registration Drive on: August 14, 2016, 10:10:36 pm
Trump supporters are just the lowest of the low. Utter scum.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: CBS News/YouGov: Close races in AZ & NV, Hillary way ahead in VA on: August 07, 2016, 04:34:23 pm
No Spanish option...

Means the Nevada poll is pretty questionable.

But if the Nevada poll is questionable because of that, why isn't Arizona?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How far must Trump slide to tie/lose the White vote? on: August 04, 2016, 01:58:23 pm
I can see him not winning a majority of whites, but not losing the white vote to Clinton.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would you support a military coup if Trump wins the election? on: August 04, 2016, 12:43:46 pm
What if the military refused his wishes after he asks for the nuclear football following a twitter war? Would that be considered a coup? In a situation like that, there wouldn't be time for congress to intervene and impeach him, and the military might have to take action on it's own to save humanity. That being said, he should be impeached via the proper channels after the military refuses his orders.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: AZ-Predictive Insights: Clinton +3 on: August 03, 2016, 01:20:56 pm
Even if not 100% accurate, I would target AZ for the Clinton campaign. It’s worth a shot. Make Drumpf use his few resources for defense on AZ and NC.
I agree. Spend millions chasing a pipe dream while Trump spends nothing and focuses on the states he needs to win. Please...

NC is not a pipe dream.....AZ and GA I am more skeptical about. No way she wins there without already winning PA,FL and OH. On the other hand, I could see that happening in NC if Trump ignores the state and Clinton works hard for it.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump responds to Khan parents DNC speech megathread on: August 03, 2016, 12:35:28 pm
I wonder who I would have to be, or what I would have to do to be in a position where NOTHING I would say would be subject to critical feedback. 

That's become the issue for me.  The idea that this man, Khzir Khan, achieves the right to not be responded to when he makes a blatantly political speech. 

I'll grant people that Trump was way over the top in his initial response.  I would not have responded as Trump did if I were the candidate.  I've made that clear.  I guess that I'm going to have to accept that most of America has a double standard in favor of Khzir Khan.  He's not to be criticized.  Everything he says must be received uncritically.  If only I could be so special.

I'm sorry.  I will comply.

I'm sorry.  I will comply.

I'm sorry.  I will comply.

I'm sorry.  I will comply.

Got it!

All Trump would have to say (and he really didn't have to respond) is that I honor Captain Khan and his family's sacrifice but I disagree with their characterization of me. That would have been the end of it. If he hadn't even responded, no one would have even remembered Captain Khan's parents.

Stepping beyond the Islamaphobia for a second, this shows how Trump is utterly incapable of being President. Even if you don't think bigotry is a problem, at least you will care whether or not the President we elect is capable of doing the job. If he can't bite his tongue against a gold star family, how is he going to handle himself when he is on the world stage? How do you think the Cuban missile crisis would have ended with him as President? China is showing aggression all the time in the South China Sea. Will an aggressive maneuver by a Chinese warship escalate to a nuclear war in a Trump presidency?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump responds to Khan parents DNC speech megathread on: July 31, 2016, 10:18:50 am
Even more disgusting than Trump's comments are the people who are defending him. They are utter scum. Bigoted pieces of trash. Trump is correct that he could literally murder someone and these trash would still defend and support him.

Hey look who's talking, Hillary supporters are still defending her no matter what she does!

I'm not trying to be rude but I hate it when people use double standards.

And what exactly has she done? Has she insulted entire groups of people from the crimes of the few? Has she talked sh**t about the Benghazi moms who spoke at the RNC? She comports herself like a President must do. Trump is a complete joke. The world will end in a nuclear holocaust if he becomes President.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump responds to Khan parents DNC speech megathread on: July 31, 2016, 10:04:52 am
Even more disgusting than Trump's comments are the people who are defending him. They are utter scum. Bigoted pieces of trash. Trump is correct that he could literally murder someone and these trash would still defend and support him.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: CA-PPIC: Clinton +16 on: July 28, 2016, 12:49:23 am
So Clinton is up by 26 points. Good to know.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump's comments about Russia hurt him? on: July 27, 2016, 02:09:38 pm
It won't help him but it won't hurt him either. It may hurt him among some #nevertrump people who were considering him after the convention. It won't hurt him with that core 40-42% of people who are behind him though. Fortunately, he can't win with just those people. He needs to expand his support up to 45-46% of the population at the least and these comments don't help with that.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Ending Colorado Ads For Now on: July 25, 2016, 09:26:44 pm
I wonder what their internal polling is saying about NV. For the last five elections NV has actually averaged 2-4% more D than CO.  It is hard to believe that NV has swung so hard to the R side as the few recent public polls indicate.

Lots of working class whites in Nevada. Possibly that is why Colorado seems like more of a sure thing than Nevada. I think Clinton will pull through in Nevada due to the Hispanic vote but I suppose it could be closer than, or about the same as, Colorado in the end.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Sanchez claims Obama only endorsed Harris because she's black on: July 23, 2016, 09:27:33 pm
Sanchez should call her supporters to vote for Trump. That would be a proper revenge for the injustice done to her.


Latinos are scared of Trump. They don't merely disagree with him, they are scared. I literally saw a crying kid being consoled by her mother last night saying " you still have the same president. Don't worry.". Why would she direct her political base, which in this election is disproportionately latino, to vote for Trump? You realize she probably hates Trump as much as Harris or any other Democrat?

To spite the rampant black racism that is going to cost her election anyway.

You do realize that only the people who are uninformed fear Trump?


You are the ones who are uneducated and revel in your ignorance.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 23, 2016, 10:08:01 am
Wealthy white man to working-class Americans: "America doesn't belong to you".

No, it doesn't. Now go away.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dems: Do you wish Hillary had decided not to run? on: July 23, 2016, 10:04:19 am
I wish Uncle Joe had ran.
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