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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Opinion of marijuana edibles on: Today at 11:07:40 am
Also, a common sense regulation would be to ensure that edible products are easily dividable into single doses. So instead of selling one big brownie with 100 mg of THC, sell brownie bites with 10 mg each. And don't allow candies to come as 100mg each since its impossible to break them. 100mg ingested once, especially taken with some fatty food, will cause a bad experience even for experienced smokers.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Opinion of marijuana edibles on: Today at 11:01:33 am
This is ridiculous. Maybe there should be better packaging cautioning people to take it slowly with edibles, and to wait an hour or two before redosing, but we can't idiot proof this world. If you eat 6 cookies and jump of a balcony, I think the world is better of for it.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Teabagging fascists in TN move to nullify federal ban on hemp produciton on: April 18, 2014, 12:14:42 pm
But what about the children!!!!!111!1one

Dude it's your side (I assume you still associate with the Republicans) who are a bigger roadblock to rationalization of drug laws. The Democrats ain't great but the Republicans are worse. I doubt a Republican president would have allowed the recreational sales in Colorado and Washington. I fear there will be a crackdown after 2016 in case a Republican wins (or Hillary for that matter).
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 16, 2014, 10:09:43 pm
The average Indian politician is not above anything in order to win.

True.  But we should look at what that politician did in order to win.  I completely agree with you that the INC is not above this sort of stuff.  In the 1960s the local INC in MP and UP was behind a bunch anti-Muslim riots and Nehru was powerless to stop them.  The scale of these riots were not as bad a Gujarat 2002 but were all very significant.  And of course there is the 1984 anti-Sikh riots.  But just because the INC did these things it is not the same as all INC politicians did these things.  And certainly did not nominate these people for PM.  So while I agree that the INC is far from being guiltless there is a hierarchy of misdeeds. 

For example, it is a common consensus that Jagdish Tytler was the INC leader behind the 1984 riots.  It is true that INC in 2009 nominated Jagdish Tytler for a MP who in turn won.  So the INC leadership is protecting those behind these riots.  But that is not the same as nominating Jagdish Tytler as the INC candidate for PM.  So I do not see INC protecting Jagdish Tytler the same as BJP nominating Modi as PM.  What the BJP is doing is one step further than what the INC did.

The thing about Modi is that he is a good campaigner and can project himself as a strong leader. And he was the CM of a state, whereas Tytler is more or less a nobody.

Let's see what ends up happening. Count me in the "160 club" you mentioned a couple days back. I want a BJP victory more than a Modi victory.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 16, 2014, 09:56:14 am
So this thread is another case of hyperbolic ag basically freaking out that the world is coming to an end. Loads of these lately.

Not at all. He's quite correct in this instance.

No, he hasn't provided any substantial evidence to prove that point. He has basically just reverted to the "this guy did some horrible things 10 years ago like your average Indian politician so he shouldn't be elected" viewpoint.

I was unaware that the average Indian politician instigated mass pogroms.

The average Indian politician is not above anything in order to win.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 15, 2014, 12:01:30 pm
So this thread is another case of hyperbolic ag basically freaking out that the world is coming to an end. Loads of these lately.

Not at all. He's quite correct in this instance.

No, he hasn't provided any substantial evidence to prove that point. He has basically just reverted to the "this guy did some horrible things 10 years ago like your average Indian politician so he shouldn't be elected" viewpoint.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 14, 2014, 08:37:08 pm
And looking up the definition of whataboutery (not familiar with it since it's not really used in America), I must say I find nothing wrong with it unless one uses it to justify certain actions (communalism in this case). I challenge you to find a post where I did that.

My defense of the BJP here really is to give people an understanding of why urban India will be voting overwhelmingly for the BJP, and why it doesn't have anything to do with killing muslims. Of course the argument is made that the BJP are too horrible a party and being tired of Congress party corruption and ineffectiveness in keeping economic growth going is not enough of a justification to vote for them. From the Indian perspective though, the BJP, as horrible as it is, isn't that dissimilar from the rest of the lot.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 14, 2014, 08:23:15 pm
The whataboutery in this thread is strong.

Yes, only the BJP has a history of using communal violence for political gain. You seem to be very familiar with Indian politics.

The prosecution rests. A+ Whataboutery.

(Oh, and nice putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about the BJP, Modi, The Nehru-Gandhis, Gujarat, Congress or anything of that nature. Please criticize me for the things I say in future. Good protip that).

My point is that most of the political parties in India are cut from the same cloth when it comes to communalism. You can call it whatever you would like, I don't really care. The truth is that in the west the BJP is seen as this evil party whereas Congress can do no wrong.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 14, 2014, 08:06:56 pm
The whataboutery in this thread is strong.

Yes, only the BJP has a history of using communal violence for political gain. You seem to be very familiar with Indian politics.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: DEMOCRATS ONLY: Who would you vote for in this Democratic primary? on: April 14, 2014, 07:51:04 pm
I wouldn't vote for Sanders, but I hope he runs because I think the primary could be epic.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 14, 2014, 10:53:56 am
It's an open secret that Sonia runs the country.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: California Cities Biggest Swings on: April 12, 2014, 08:44:38 pm
Obama's improvement among Vietnamese-Americans might at least partly explain Westminster.

It fully explains Westminster. In fact, it is because of these swings that we have an idea on how Vietnamese-Americans voted.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 12, 2014, 11:02:52 am
If you would like to become Bangladesh, you are welcome.

And no, Modi is in a league of his own. Riots in murders happen in India, it is true. Having the government in cold blood encourage, killing over 2000 people in mere days is much more rare.

Isn't that what happened in 1984 against the Sikhs?

Rajiv is dead. When Modi is dead I will be willing to let it go.

Umm, his wife currently runs the country and his son is running for PM. And she has personally protected congress party members who organized the riots.

Back then his son was a child and his wife was completely out of politics then and for years thereafter. She most definitely did not order murders. I have no objections to Jashodaben running for office 10 years after the SOB dies.

She has been protecting the ones responsible though.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: California Cities Biggest Swings on: April 12, 2014, 10:15:37 am
Are those numbers for Vernon correct? There's over 10% "other" in both elections.

Probably. It's not even really a city, just an industrial park.

Meaning what? It has almost no voters so a large family or couple neighbors voting for a thrid party skews the entire result?

I think the only people living there are city employees.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: California Cities Biggest Swings on: April 12, 2014, 08:40:06 am
It was 2008 that was the anomaly in these rich cities. 2012 was just a return to normalcy.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 11, 2014, 11:39:45 pm
If you would like to become Bangladesh, you are welcome.

And no, Modi is in a league of his own. Riots in murders happen in India, it is true. Having the government in cold blood encourage, killing over 2000 people in mere days is much more rare.

Isn't that what happened in 1984 against the Sikhs?

Rajiv is dead. When Modi is dead I will be willing to let it go.

Umm, his wife currently runs the country and his son is running for PM. And she has personally protected congress party members who organized the riots.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: California Cities Biggest Swings on: April 11, 2014, 06:53:43 pm
Are those numbers for Vernon correct? There's over 10% "other" in both elections.

Probably. It's not even really a city, just an industrial park.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Should we reform the Electoral College? on: April 11, 2014, 12:01:08 pm
I'm in full support of the Popular Vote Compact. It's the easiest way to have the equivalent of a national popular vote.

I don't think a vote by congressional district works, as that encourages even more gerrymandering and naturally benefits one party (in this case it's the Republicans, as Democrats are more likely to live in areas where they're overrepresented, or in small liberal enclaves within conservative zones.)

I think that's the biggest issue. Over representation. Democrats in cities have far too much power in major states just by living in tiny zones.


Do you understand how democracy works?
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 11, 2014, 07:41:58 am
If you would like to become Bangladesh, you are welcome.

And no, Modi is in a league of his own. Riots in murders happen in India, it is true. Having the government in cold blood encourage, killing over 2000 people in mere days is much more rare.

Isn't that what happened in 1984 against the Sikhs?
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April Pacific Gubernatorial and Council Elections on: April 10, 2014, 10:10:29 pm
Pacific Governor
1) Dempgh
2) Flo
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 10, 2014, 09:17:21 pm
Also, for those of you who seem to think India treats its religious minorities so horribly, would you be happy if they got the same type of treatment religious minorities get in muslim countries surrounding India?

1. I never said India treated minorities horribly. Unlike, it seems, you, I do not consider Modi to be India.

2. What do Muslim-Shmuslim countries have to do with this conversation? We do not talk about Saudi Arabia here. Frankly, I do not care a fruck for Saudi Arabia. We are talking about India. And, yes, in the US they used to lynch the Negroes. Another very relevant point you could make.

Why talk about Saudi Arabia? We could talk about, say, Bangladesh.

And my reason for even bringing up Muzaffarnagar was to show you that Modi is not in a league by his own, as you seem to think. Of course whether such a person should be PM is another matter. It is not unreasonable to hold a person seeking that office to a higher standard than your normal politician. I think he will be much better than Prince Gandhi, but I guess I have made my thoughts quite clear there.

Whatever actions Modi took, or to put it more accurately, didn't take in 2002 was due to political calculations. The same reason why the UP government didn't arrest those responsible for the Muzaffarnagar riots and the same reason why the beloved Congress party murdered more than a 1,000 Sikhs in 1984. And of course there are countless other examples in India, and unfortunately there will be more, whether or not Modi becomes PM.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 10, 2014, 07:13:53 pm
Also, for those of you who seem to think India treats its religious minorities so horribly, would you be happy if they got the same type of treatment religious minorities get in muslim countries surrounding India?
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 10, 2014, 07:07:19 pm
Also speaking of riots, are you guys aware of what went on in Muzzafarnagar last year? When you take into account how the riots were handled by the muslim friendly SP who rule the state, why shouldn't Hindus vote for the BJP?

There is a difference between incompetence and deliberate murder. Aside even from the minor fact that in Gujarat there were, what, 50 times as many victims?

Deliberate murder by whom though? BJP cadres or was Modi in the streets?  Here it looks like it was SP party folks, or at least their cherished vote bank. Is Akilesh Yadav a murderer as well? You can say that in Gujarat the police did nothing, thus implying murder by the government itself. The same thing happened here. Or should this be held to a different standard?

 I was pretty surprised actually...I really didn't know that is what happened in Muzaffarnagar. All I knew about it was that people were killed (I assumed muslims) and that people were homeless. Anyways, the BJP strength in UP is starting to make more sense to me now.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 10, 2014, 07:03:36 pm
Also speaking of riots, are you guys aware of what went on in Muzzafarnagar last year? When you take into account how the riots were handled by the muslim friendly SP who rule the state, why shouldn't Hindus vote for the BJP?

No. Enlighten us sahib.

You can read for yourself. To be honest I didn't know much about this until today. I had just heard about it but never really looked to into it and the only reason I did today was to make a point that the massacre of muslims happen under other governments as well, not just BJP. What I found was a little more interesting, and something you would never see in the west would you? Imagine if some immigrants in Europe rioted or blacks in the US and killed white people, they would be in jail for the rest of their lives. Electrocuted around here. In India, the leaders of the group get to meet with the Chief Minister.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 10, 2014, 12:16:44 pm
Also speaking of riots, are you guys aware of what went on in Muzzafarnagar last year? When you take into account how the riots were handled by the muslim friendly SP who rule the state, why shouldn't Hindus vote for the BJP?
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