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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 08:40:21 pm
Interesting to see that many who have the biggest problem with Donald Trump saying something like "all Mexican's are criminals", these are the same people who have no problem saying "all Republicans are racist". News flash: both statements are indefensible, and downright dumb.

Who exactly has said that "all republicans are racist"? A majority are voting for a racist candidate though.

Well, you tell me: what does it mean for a party to be racist? Does it mean that anyone who registers as a Republican is a racist? Does it mean that anyone who votes for a Republican is a racist? Please clarify what is meant by the question...

Well, I am registered Republican so......No, not everyone who registers Republican is racist. The majority is racist though, and they are supporting a candidate who openly fans racial tensions and divides the nation. It is just very sad to witness.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 08:05:49 pm
Interesting to see that many who have the biggest problem with Donald Trump saying something like "all Mexican's are criminals", these are the same people who have no problem saying "all Republicans are racist". News flash: both statements are indefensible, and downright dumb.

Who exactly has said that "all republicans are racist"? A majority are voting for a racist candidate though.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 07:39:38 pm
I'm unwilling to say that it is, if only because there are some good-hearted Republicans (including on this forum) who I know are not racist, but at the same time many of the policies advocated have Lee Atwater's insidious imprint on them.   

Yes, of course there are good people in the Republican party. Though what this election has shown is that they are not the heart and soul of the party, the racists are. That is what I am pointing out.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Future tipping-point states? on: Today at 07:22:32 pm
In the likely event of a Trump nomination, I predict Colorado will become a lean D state with VA, FL and PA being the tipping point states. Iowa as well but it's not as big of an electoral prize and thus less likely to be the tipping point state. Wisconsin is another possibility looking about 10-15 years down the line.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 06:31:50 pm
No, like the BJP (a very similar party in some respects) it contains multitudes. Whether non racist factions share responsibility for their brethren is another matter.

However:

There is racism embedded in more fundamentalist strict far-right sects of the party, that's easy to agree on. I believe it is still transitioning away from many southern-style Republicans and the recent generation putting the final shovels of dirt on the segregationist roots.

But absolutely no, it as a party is not racist: it's more realistic and less afraid of the hard-racial truths the country faces, while meanwhile it's opponents, Democrats, act as if they do not exist or live in a fairytail world. Sometimes it's not easy to ask the hard questions that may raise eyebrows or upset feelings. Simple as that.

> 'moderate' Republican who looks down on extreme base
> starts rambling about "racial truths"

Yes, I also agree that the Republican party and the BJP have a lot of similarities. The difference this year has been how open the bigotry has been with the Trump candidacy. You did not see that with Modi's campaign, where every effort was made to portray him as a moderate who will respect all religions. It does remain to be seen what Trump will do in the general of course.....
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 06:16:51 pm
The USA is overly sympathetic on crime and illegal immigration.

Example
: The US Supreme Court said that an illegal immigrant cannot be detained indefintely if their country of origin refuses to take them back.

The following countries will not cooperate with US deportation laws for citizen's found guilty of committing a serious crime.

Afghanistan, Algeria, Burundi, Cape Verde, China, Cuba, Eritrea, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, India, Iran, Iraq, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, and Zimbabwe.

Result: The murder of Connecticut resident Casey Chadwick.

The illegal immigrant who was convicted in the June 2015 killing of Chadwick was a Haitian national named Jean Jacques. Jacques, 41, had a previous attempted murder conviction and should have been deported, but Haiti would not take him back.

Source: http://dailysignal.com/2016/04/28/in-2015-19000-criminal-illegal-immigrants-were-released-from-custody/

19,000 criminals who are illegal immigrants are released from prison back into US society every year to commit further crimes.

That is the most disgraceful result directly attributable to  government policy imaginable.

Why don't you back up your previous assertion instead of trying to skirt the issue with more nonsense?
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 06:15:17 pm
Of course not. That is absurd and illogical

Reality says something different.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 06:01:32 pm
Saying you want to follow the law and keep people from coming across the border unless they do it legally is not racist. Any single way you slice it.

What about saying the majority of immigrants are rapists? Is that racist enough for you?

Statistics have shown that immigrants are much less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens.

Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants.

That means 20% of all kidnappings are committed by only 3% of the population, those being illegal immigrants.

If you are going to argue a point, do some research.

Cite?
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: How does Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico trend GOP? on: Today at 05:39:31 pm
Unfortunately, after this election with Trump being the standard bearer for the GOP, the country's politics will be even more divided by race. I just don't see the GOP getting many Hispanic and Asian votes in the future, not to mention Blacks. The only way I don't see that happening is if Trump suffers a historic loss and the Republican party deliberately goes a different direction after 2016. I doubt that will happen.

Under that scenario, only Colorado might still vote Republican. I don't see that happening though and I see the west becoming even more Democratic while the midwest moves more towards the GOP. It is whites out east who are more receptive to a racist message, as we can see in the current Republican primaries.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 05:28:01 pm
No, of course not.

Aren't you a Trump supporter?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 05:27:21 pm
Curious. How is the policy of affirmative action not racist? What you're saying is that you can't compete because of the color of your skin.

Affirmative action is not racist but it is unfair and I think it should be stopped. If anything, it harms non-whites because it adds an asterix to any achievement they have.

I will ask you this though, how is the Republican party not racist if it's presumptive nominee thinks most Mexican immigrants are rapists and that all Muslims are terrorists? He cheers on violence against blacks at his rallies, enthusiastically accepts support from white supremacists, etc etc.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 03:57:03 pm
No, there is nothing inherently racist about enforcing immigration law or supporting welfare cuts.

How about calling all Mexican immigrants rapists? Is that racist?

I find it interesting that I have asked like 4 people this question today and none of them want to answer.....
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 03:16:58 pm
Quite the contrary.  The Republican party opposes using racial preferences or in discriminating based on race.
But, we live in the real world.  So if it is a fact that, for example, young Muslim men are the majority of terrorists blowing up buildings we should use racial profiling to protect the nation.  That is common sense.

So does that mean that all muslims are terrorists? And moreover, do you believe most Mexican immigrants are rapists? Muslims may be much more likely to commit terrorist attacks but Mexican immigrants are not more likely to commit rapes. We can see this using data from the "real world".
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 03:01:50 pm
Saying that all Republicans are racist is equivalent to saying that all Democrats are communists. Grow up.

I actually didn't say that all Republicans are racist but that a majority are. Refusing to see what your party is composed of is pretty silly. Why don't you grow up and accept reality.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 02:57:46 pm
No

Donald Trump is not a racist and 80% of his supporters aren't either. Trump is still awful though.
No, otherwise I wouldn't be a Republican.

Guys, I understand why you feel like you are Republicans. I also hate paying so much in taxes when much of it is being wasted on public employee unions and endless wars. I want to be able to keep at least some of my FICA taxes to invest in a way of my choosing. I think premium support should be introduced in Medicare and there should be greater cost sharing, especially for those who can afford it. I would be quite content if the Ryan budget was adopted.

That being said I understand I am not a Republican and wouldn't be accepted into the Republican party. I knew this before, but the 2016 election has made it crystal clear. Both of you are not going to be accepted by the Republican rank and file either. That doesn't make you Democrats but you guys just are not Republicans.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 02:33:05 pm
Saying you want to follow the law and keep people from coming across the border unless they do it legally is not racist. Any single way you slice it.

What about saying the majority of immigrants are rapists? Is that racist enough for you?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 02:14:42 pm
It's my view that the party elites used the racism of their constituents to further their own goals. They played to those attributes for electoral success.

Then doesn't that mean they are a racist party if they used the racism of their supporters for electoral gain? I will grant the elites that they did it in a respectable, dog whistle sort of way, as opposed to openly fanning racial tensions. And neither were their policies inherently racist, but rather anti-poor (which ends up hitting more minorities). Now it seems like the Republican party will entertain what it's base really wants, which is Medicare, Social Security and other goodies for whites, while non-whites get nothing and are called criminals, terrorists, thugs etc.

I think it is debatable, but I would say a lot of Republicans are not truly racist to the core, either. After all, Democrats have racists of their own (not nearly as many, though, imo).

For them to be officially considered a racist party, I think their platform has to include blatantly racist goals. Either that or the vast, vast majority of the party (like 75%+) has to be racist, with a large contingent of vocal, seething racists.

It depends on how you define "racist", sure. Are the majority of Republicans KKK supporters? No, of course not. But they are Trump supporters. These people are bigots who think all Muslims are terrorists and that most immigrants are criminals who only come here for the "benefits" as opposed to working hard and providing more opportunities for their families. Opposing immigration is not at all inherently racist. Calling immigrants rapists and criminals is though.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 02:08:11 pm
It's my view that the party elites used the racism of their constituents to further their own goals. They played to those attributes for electoral success.

Then doesn't that mean they are a racist party if they used the racism of their supporters for electoral gain? I will grant the elites that they did it in a respectable, dog whistle sort of way, as opposed to openly fanning racial tensions. And neither were their policies inherently racist, but rather anti-poor (which ends up hitting more minorities). Now it seems like the Republican party will entertain what it's base really wants, which is Medicare, Social Security and other goodies for whites, while non-whites get nothing and are called criminals, terrorists, thugs etc.

19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Is the Republican party a racist party? on: Today at 02:00:10 pm
Trump is the presumptive nominee and the runner up is an extremist who tries to act like Trump/espouse similar beliefs whenever he can. I don't think the nation has become more racist but it has exposed the seething underbelly of this country and the Republican party. These are people who think all immigrants are criminals and all Muslims are terrorists. And I think the worst part about all this is that these people will deny being racists when you call them out on it! This whole election is just incredibly sad. There are just so many trashy, useless people in this world.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump win the youth vote by default? on: Today at 01:40:02 pm
Trump is a dishonest flip-flopping rambler who wants to indiscriminately deport millions of otherwise law-abiding people, has a history of sexist remarks, and throughout his life has funded the politicians that have ruined this country.
Something which "every other major country on Earth" (to quote Sanders) does, albeit not in the millions. Let's dispel with this fiction that illegal immigration isn't a big deal. I think it's impractical to even attempt to deport that many people, but that's because of decades of ambivalence on the issue from both parties. Just because it's impractical doesn't mean it's morally wrong to advocate such a position. In fact, Trump's position is the morally courageous position.

This. I don't even think kicking 12 million people is the best idea, but I give a man huge props for be being brave enough to suggest actually enforcing our laws. I'm also horrified that wanting to enforce immigration laws (which every other major country on Earth) does is automatically enough to be branded a fascist/racist.

Plus, if our opening offer is 12 million, maybe we come away with something like 4 million or something. The Art of the Deal! Smiley

He's not being branded a fascist/racist merely because he says we should deport all illegal immigrants. He's being branded a fascist/racist because he says "Mexico is sending their criminals, their rapists." Because he supports a religious test for legal immigration. These are not moral or reasonable comments. And yet Trump made them. How is that so difficult for some to understand? Is it really that easy to forget some of the disgusting things Trump said, and not even that long ago?

Trump's comments on "rapist and murderers" would not be seen as despicable if folks understood the scope of the problem of Transnational Criminal Gangs (MS-13, Nortenos, Surenos, and others) and the deadly havoc they inflict on many American cities.  They are doing the business of criminal drug cartels from other countries here in the US, and the violence they inflict includes rapes, murders, and human trafficking.  The problems these folks create within the US are entirely a product of our porous Southern Border. 

You're a liar who doesn't know or deliberately misstates the facts. The vast majority of immigrants, legal or illegal, have nothing to do with transnational gangs. Trump said that most Mexican immigrants are criminals and racists. How can you defend that statement by talking about transnational gangs? You are despicable.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Donald Trump made me proud to be Hispanic on: Today at 12:48:26 pm
The protests are just a reaction to racists like you two. They shouldn't burn the flag because that is just stupid and counter productive but you silly racists need to be put back in line as well.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Donald Trump made me proud to be Hispanic on: April 29, 2016, 10:18:59 pm
Yeah, I'm sure you would have said that when the English, Germans, and Irish were coming over. Oh wait, no you wouldn't have.
The English were the founding culture of America. The Germans and Irish both assimilated relatively quickly. The same should be expected of every other cultural group, aside from of course Native Americans.

And that is happening with every cultural group in America today, including Hispanics. Many don't even know how to speak Spanish!
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Donald Trump made me proud to be Hispanic on: April 29, 2016, 09:38:12 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-fight-against-ms-13/

http://oag.ca.gov/transnational-organized-crime

Transnational Gangs do what they do because of our porous borders.  Trump isn't the problem.

MS-13 was formed in the United States!!!!

By illegals. Funny how these porous borders have a way of damaging all countries involved. But who cares as long as those evil whiteys can suffer.

No, mostly by their kids who were influenced by the ridiculous war on drugs and the violent culture in the underclass of America. Illegals actually commit less crime than the population at large.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Donald Trump made me proud to be Hispanic on: April 29, 2016, 09:14:05 pm
The rush of Americans to identify as anything except American is an embarrassing denouement to end what was once at least a plausibly great (aka passably acceptable) nation.

In this case, it is precisely due to the fascist that you support.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Donald Trump made me proud to be Hispanic on: April 29, 2016, 08:56:51 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-fight-against-ms-13/

http://oag.ca.gov/transnational-organized-crime

Transnational Gangs do what they do because of our porous borders.  Trump isn't the problem.

MS-13 was formed in the United States!!!!
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