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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Ending Colorado Ads For Now on: July 25, 2016, 09:26:44 pm
I wonder what their internal polling is saying about NV. For the last five elections NV has actually averaged 2-4% more D than CO.  It is hard to believe that NV has swung so hard to the R side as the few recent public polls indicate.

Lots of working class whites in Nevada. Possibly that is why Colorado seems like more of a sure thing than Nevada. I think Clinton will pull through in Nevada due to the Hispanic vote but I suppose it could be closer than, or about the same as, Colorado in the end.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Sanchez claims Obama only endorsed Harris because she's black on: July 23, 2016, 09:27:33 pm
Sanchez should call her supporters to vote for Trump. That would be a proper revenge for the injustice done to her.


Latinos are scared of Trump. They don't merely disagree with him, they are scared. I literally saw a crying kid being consoled by her mother last night saying " you still have the same president. Don't worry.". Why would she direct her political base, which in this election is disproportionately latino, to vote for Trump? You realize she probably hates Trump as much as Harris or any other Democrat?

To spite the rampant black racism that is going to cost her election anyway.

You do realize that only the people who are uninformed fear Trump?


You are the ones who are uneducated and revel in your ignorance.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 23, 2016, 10:08:01 am
Wealthy white man to working-class Americans: "America doesn't belong to you".

No, it doesn't. Now go away.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dems: Do you wish Hillary had decided not to run? on: July 23, 2016, 10:04:19 am
I wish Uncle Joe had ran.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Sanchez claims Obama only endorsed Harris because she's black on: July 23, 2016, 10:00:47 am
Sanchez should call her supporters to vote for Trump. That would be a proper revenge for the injustice done to her.


Latinos are scared of Trump. They don't merely disagree with him, they are scared. I literally saw a crying kid being consoled by her mother last night saying " you still have the same president. Don't worry.". Why would she direct her political base, which in this election is disproportionately latino, to vote for Trump? You realize she probably hates Trump as much as Harris or any other Democrat?
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Major terror attack/shooting in Munich on: July 23, 2016, 01:43:30 am
Most of these recent attacks have been mentally unstable people using Islamic radicalism as an excuse to commit these acts. Lone wolf type attacks you see all the time in America with guns, with the reason being different with every deranged individual. Of course in Orlando, you saw the confluence of the two like we are seeing so frequently in Europe these days. Very sad.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Sanchez claims Obama only endorsed Harris because she's black on: July 23, 2016, 01:07:42 am
Sanchez should really avoid identity politics. If anything, it will backfire on her if she is pinned as the Latino candidate.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Kaine at all Appeal to Working Class Whites? on: July 23, 2016, 12:53:38 am
No, he doesn't. He just projects stability and competence, and that will help the ticket among moderate college educated independents and perhaps Republicans living in the suburbs.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's nomination is the first time US politics has left me truly afraid on: July 23, 2016, 12:51:52 am
The great irony is that if Trump succeeds, the GOP will be far more moderate afterwards then it was before Trump.


Not really sure moderate is the right word.....

But yes, you are correct the Republicans won't be more conservative.
10  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Republican Party a White Nationalist Party now? on: July 22, 2016, 12:27:22 am
Sure, but after years of SJW writing articles calling ethnic restaurants (and other silly, harmless crap) cultural appropriation, and now NBPP shooting up cops, let's not pretend the left hasn't been pushing racial strife. White people are perfectly reasonable if they're not feeling constantly under attack by PC culture. The chickens are coming home to roost for us.

I actually agree with you. The SJW nonsense has made Trump possible. Now that real racism is coming out, many people just think people are crying wolf.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's nomination is the first time US politics has left me truly afraid on: July 22, 2016, 12:11:03 am
I'm afraid because Trump has absolutely no qualifications to be president. He has no idea what he's doing.

That's a legitimate concern. Calling Trump a fascist because you support the other candidate is not its just juvenile and distracting.

I'm calling Trump a fascist because he is one, not because I support the other candidate. I don't know if I "support" Hillary but I will certainly be voting for her as she won't utterly destroy this country or this world (nuclear war is possible with Trump). I voted for Kasich in the primaries BTW.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Luntz to delegates: GOP has 'lost' the millennial generation on: July 21, 2016, 10:44:43 pm
I'm not feeling well. I need to take a few hours off.

Please leave and don't come back. Or go to Stormfront where you will find many supporters.
13  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Republican Party a White Nationalist Party now? on: July 19, 2016, 11:25:32 pm
What makes you justify 'white' nationalist party. Its taken a hard nationalist turn but give me examples of racial rhetoric and identity? Otherwise it just looks like more silly name calling.

I already answered above.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump plagiarism/rickroll megathread on: July 19, 2016, 10:07:36 pm
A statistical analysis by college plagiarism checker TurnItIn estimates a "less than 1 in 1 trillion" chance of coincidence.
This is exactly what I was saying, Seriously?.
This is basically a non-issue to me, but that's not an excuse to be intellectually dishonest about it.

I think Seriously is now hiding in shame and embarrassment.


He has no shame. He supports Donald Trump.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald J. Trump is officially the GOP nominee for president. on: July 19, 2016, 06:40:20 pm
RIP JCL
RIP Vosem
RIP #NeverTrump
RIP muh coup

RIP America
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 02:56:46 pm
Hillary is pro free trade, pro immigration. and an internationalist, which are most of my core tenants anyway. I just wish she were pro life and pro gun rights.

Yeah, no she's literally not.
She isn't? Shoot.

I can guarantee you she will be more pro-free trade than Trump once she is in office. If you think Obama has done well on free trade, then you will be fine with Clinton in that regard. Trump will be worse.

A perhaps more pressing question, is who is more likely to set off a most destructive trade war, Hillary or Trump?  Trade wars are the one type of war that is never won by anyone. It is just a matter of who loses least. One of Hillary's virtues, among her many flaws, is that she is cautious. This old man, as he grows ever older, likes persons of caution who have a lot of power. Lack of caution + power is sort of like what happens when you play with matches in a room filled with hydrogen.

Yes, that is what I was thinking off when I said Clinton will be better. Even if Clinton doesn't support TPP when she gets in office, it will be better than a trade war with half the world.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 02:20:39 pm
Hillary is pro free trade, pro immigration. and an internationalist, which are most of my core tenants anyway. I just wish she were pro life and pro gun rights.

Yeah, no she's literally not.
She isn't? Shoot.

I can guarantee you she will be more pro-free trade than Trump once she is in office. If you think Obama has done well on free trade, then you will be fine with Clinton in that regard. Trump will be worse.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 02:18:01 pm
We analyzed the Pub predicament four years ago, Torie. Things have only gotten worse for them.

Do we really want a domination of one party in America? Pubs staying in perma opposition, never winning the presidency, holding majority in the Senate occasionally and eventually losing the House?



Why are you assuming minorities will always vote Democrat? Especially since the playbook on how the GOP does will with minorities was already written by Rove in 2004. The GOP didn't do well in poor, inner city minority areas in that election. They did do very well in more well off (but not wealthy) suburban/exurban areas with lots of minorities. Riverside, San Bernardino and San Joaquin Counties in California are the perfect example.

As if California is ever gonna be in play. When Dems split, maybe.


You don't think similar demographics are in play in other states? You want to write off Riverside County? Good luck ever winning Nevada again. And no, Trump is not going to win Nevada this year. Similar issues with Florida as well. If you lose Florida, you have lost the country. And that's before we even start talking about Arizona.....
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 01:52:58 pm
We analyzed the Pub predicament four years ago, Torie. Things have only gotten worse for them.

Do we really want a domination of one party in America? Pubs staying in perma opposition, never winning the presidency, holding majority in the Senate occasionally and eventually losing the House?



Why are you assuming minorities will always vote Democrat? Especially since the playbook on how the GOP does will with minorities was already written by Rove in 2004. The GOP didn't do well in poor, inner city minority areas in that election. They did do very well in more well off (but not wealthy) suburban/exurban areas with lots of minorities. Riverside, San Bernardino and San Joaquin Counties in California are the perfect example.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 01:30:59 pm
It seems to me that if you are a Pub who loathes Trump, the only sensible thing to do is vote for Hillary, the idea being that the most effective way to exorcise the Trump demon from the Pub soul, is by his losing by as large a popular vote margin as possible.

Torie, if Trump loses in November, the Pubs will never win a presidential election again. GWB will become a distant memory and Reagan a myth.


Why is that? What will Trump do that keeps America voting Republican?

Nothing. It's just that the Pubs are shrinking while the Dems are growing. Maxing out whites is the last hope for Pubs. If Trump can't do it, no other Pub can.

Pubs will forever be banned from the Federal Government. And that will create resentment and further decline.


Or maybe you can stop looking at everything from the prism of a race war? If Republicans just focus on fiscal issues and drop the racial resentment politics, they will do just fine (look at 2014 midterm exit polls).
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 01:05:26 pm
It seems to me that if you are a Pub who loathes Trump, the only sensible thing to do is vote for Hillary, the idea being that the most effective way to exorcise the Trump demon from the Pub soul, is by his losing by as large a popular vote margin as possible.

Torie, if Trump loses in November, the Pubs will never win a presidential election again. GWB will become a distant memory and Reagan a myth.


Why is that? What will Trump do that keeps America voting Republican?
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Your reaction if this was the map on Nov. 9 on: July 19, 2016, 12:57:24 pm
Just won't happen. Florida is not going to be more Republican than North Carolina. The same demographics that would swing enough for Trump to win Florida are present in greater numbers in North Carolina. I suppose the only scenario would be Clinton winning the Black vote something like 97-1 with high turnout and Cubans sticking with Trump for some reason. That is unlikely.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump caught plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 speech on: July 19, 2016, 12:34:10 pm
I think that beautiful woman, Melania shouldn't have 'plagiarized' 22 words. It's really not a big deal she didn't directly plagiarize Obama. She used 22 words that Obama used. They should fire the writer though. This is an non-issue that only the liberals are caring about because of the great night yesterday!

I have serious concerns for your mental condition.
24  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Republican Party a White Nationalist Party now? on: July 19, 2016, 11:53:49 am
What makes you justify 'white' nationalist party. Its taken a hard nationalist turn but give me examples of racial rhetoric and identity? Otherwise it just looks like more silly name calling.

The general jingoism against non-whites living in the country. There was also Steve Kings wonderful comment. Wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Republicans agreed with that. It has become a safe space for racists these days.

Also this is a great article written by Clare Malone. The Republican party is now the party of racial resentment rather than small government.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-end-of-a-republican-party/
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: First state to flip to the Democrats in a 10% blowout? on: July 19, 2016, 03:21:52 am
None. Georgia will require about a 11-12 point win at least, if not more depending on how the Black vote goes. Utah I am a little unsure about but probably a 15 point win will be required. Texas and Indiana  flip about the same time, at about a 15 point win. Missouri at about 16-17 along with Montana, Alaska and North Dakota.
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