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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: By 2:1 ratio, Republicans are more loyal to Israel than US on: Today at 01:59:30 am
Bizarro Atlas Joe Republic starts thread, reads:
2:1 Democrats do not believe we should support our ally Israel! Oh noes!! Sad(!
2  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Which Country is more Free? on: Today at 12:52:30 am
The Bill of Rights allows someone in the US to make a legal appeal to basic freedoms in a way that does not exist in Canada.  But in practice it is often a different story.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is your number on the Kinsey Scale? on: Today at 12:40:45 am
Almost anyone with any knowledge of the study of gender and sexuality knows that the Kinsey scale is bunk.

It is at least better than denying the existence of a continuum.
4  Questions and Answers / How To / Re: Deactivating account possible? on: Today at 12:26:42 am
If you want to not receive PMs from certain people, you can block them under your profile settings by going to "Personal Message Options."  If you want your gallery images to disappear, you can delete them. If there are any posts you made you don't want people to see any more, you can delete those too.   If a poster is harassing you, report them. If a moderator is harassing you contact Nym or one of the nicer moderators.  If you don't want to be here anymore, log out and don't log back in. How is that?
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Fix the Constitution Act (voting on amendment) on: Today at 12:11:31 am
Aye
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Republicans be able to block Obama's Iran deal? on: Today at 12:07:25 am
Since the sanctions were established by congressional action, it will take congressional action to end them. So the Corker deal might well, by giving the President this authority and saying that any deal requires a veto-proof majority to scuttle, strengthen the prospect of a deal being approved - so long as the foreclosing of more immediate sanctions relief isn't a hindrance to Iran's cooperation.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: By 2:1 ratio, Republicans are more loyal to Israel than US on: April 20, 2015, 11:43:47 pm
And proud of it. America ain't what she used to be. I love both, but I miss what America *was*.

America. love it or leave it, you're either for us or against us. That's what we hear from the Atlas  every time the issue of Israel comes up.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: By 2:1 ratio, Republicans are more loyal to Israel than US on: April 20, 2015, 11:36:26 pm
What a gross misinterpretation of the poll results. "support them even if our interests diverge" in no way means "more loyal".

If Israeli interests were to directly contravene US interests, and these people continue to support those interests anyway, then yes, they are more loyal to Israel than us.  This isn't hard.

Sure, let's just add words to the poll question like "directly contravene" after the fact.

Do you ever get tired of spinning this hard for the GOP?  You do it more reflexively than most blue avatars around here!

There are no logical leaps going on here.  Some people were asked a question; they answered it honestly, clearly without (a) realizing the repercussions of what they were saying, or (b) caring.

It's considered spinning for the GOP to think poll wording matters in issue questions.  You'd make a great social science journalist if you ever get tired of the whole oppo research gig.

Sorry I'm not going to be posting headlines from Rawstory and swallow them hook line and sinker. That's what we have you for. Do you want really more clones of yourself?
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which demographic subgroups will Hillary win against Bush? on: April 20, 2015, 11:27:38 pm
Jeb Bush is Catholic. I sincerely doubt Hillary can win the Catholic vote unless the Hispanic Catholic turnout is super high.

If Republicans can get about 35% or more of the Hispanic vote (which Jeb would), they'll win Catholics.

Hillary will win moderates but not independents.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sylvia Allen (R-AZ) Thinks Church Attendance Should Be Mandatory on: April 19, 2015, 07:19:29 pm
Isn't his what we've been hearing recently from progressives: someone running a small business can't decline to be a part of a religious ceremony?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1940: Garner vs. Willkie on: April 19, 2015, 07:00:05 pm
This would have been close.  Both candidates are promising to reform the New Deal while keeping popular programs like Social Security.  A Southern Democrat/Irish Catholic helps the Republicans in much of the North. WI and MN are narrowly retained by Garner thanks to his less interventionist foreign policy. Norman Thomas has a decent third party showing.



Garner/Farley        49.5%   284
Willkie/McNary      48.9%    247
Thomas/Kreuger     1.1%

How the shell does Farley being Irish Catholic damage the party in the North?  Have you forgotten that much of the support the New Deal got was from urban Irish Catholic bosses who capitalized on support for the New Deal to build up the future Democratic bases in those states (contrary to popular myth, by the 1930s FDR was not anti-machine, especially in regard to Chicago)?  If anything Farley helps the Democrats maintain many of their new voters from the 1930s due to his reputation as one of the masterminds of the Coalition.

He wasn't exactly in sympatico with Garner.

FDR was not anti-machine but his appeal went far beyond the demographics that the urban machine could appeal to.  Urban bosses enabled statewide success only where they could combine their base with support outside urban areas. The North was much more rural then - would having someone like Farley on the ticket help in these areas?  Even if Farley himself would be an advantage, it would be due to his skill and his ethnic identity would be something to overcome.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Current death penalty support by country ? on: April 19, 2015, 03:57:29 pm
Support for the death penalty diminishes greatly when it is contrasted in the poll with life in prison without parole.  So in Nebraska - which doesn't have a history of much use of the death penalty, low crime, little racial divisiveness - the result is not so unbelievable.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1940: Garner vs. Willkie on: April 19, 2015, 02:37:57 pm
This would have been close.  Both candidates are promising to reform the New Deal while keeping popular programs like Social Security.  A Southern Democrat/Irish Catholic helps the Republicans in much of the North. WI and MN are narrowly retained by Garner thanks to his less interventionist foreign policy. Norman Thomas has a decent third party showing.



Garner/Farley        49.5%   284
Willkie/McNary      48.9%    247
Thomas/Kreuger     1.1%
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma approves exciting new method of killing inmates on: April 19, 2015, 12:45:25 am
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin has just signed a bill to approve nitrogen-induced hypoxia as a method of carrying out the death penalty. Supporters say it's painless and humane, though it's never actually been used or tested.

And it will be painless and humane, so long as it isn't used.   No execution should be called "humane."
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton's Big Benefactor Has Trade Links with Iran on: April 19, 2015, 12:40:03 am
But she's going to bomb Iran!

Not anymore.

I've just recently started to wonder whether the Democratic establishment's support of the Iran deal is to get Iran to become a participant in our wars.

That would require the US to decide who's side we are on in the region's internecine wars.  Or at least some sort of strategic vision.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: By 2:1 ratio, Republicans are more loyal to Israel than US on: April 18, 2015, 05:25:50 pm
What a gross misinterpretation of the poll results. "support them even if our interests diverge" in no way means "more loyal".

If Israeli interests were to directly contravene US interests, and these people continue to support those interests anyway, then yes, they are more loyal to Israel than us.  This isn't hard.

Sure, let's just add words to the poll question like "directly contravene" after the fact.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should residents of American Samoa receive US citizenship? on: April 18, 2015, 03:00:36 pm
The populations of American Samoa, Guam, and the Northern Mariana Islands should be added to Hawaii's voting population. Puerto Rico should be given statehood, with the American Virgin Islands included in its voting population.

That would make Hawaii almost as big as the continental US.  I don't think those islands want a state level government thousands of miles away, which would reduce their self-government.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this Image on: April 18, 2015, 02:41:35 pm
Um... no one is going to buy food at this restaurant if its that expensive. Its supply/demand economics. They are losing customers with these prices (and therefore losing profit), just as people are losing money buying here. That said, it sounds like a typical snobby restaurant you would find in the upper east side of Manhattan.

We're freaking out about nothing.

At these prices they are not buying the food itself, they are buying the experience and prestige of paying a lot of money for food.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: By 2:1 ratio, Republicans are more loyal to Israel than US on: April 18, 2015, 02:36:57 pm
Yeah eschatological obscurity bad... Abrahamic Roots and clarity inducing "tradition of the land" good.

Roll Eyes you got me so good guys

You weren't arguing just that it was bad, you were arguing that it was antithetical to genuine concern for the Jews.    I know, it's weird anyone would care about properly understanding the beliefs of vast numbers of Americans on a forum dedicated to why people vote the way they do, right?
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2015 At-large Senate Election on: April 18, 2015, 02:27:43 am
1. Poirot
2. North Carolina Yankee
3. WI: Spiral
4. Cris
5. Polnut
6. Blair2015
7. Lief
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Inappropriate content on the forum on: April 18, 2015, 02:22:22 am
What is this.

lick the emoticon in Snowguy's sig and it will all make sense.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich getting serious, launches PAC to raise money on: April 18, 2015, 02:08:49 am
Ugh. Huntsman Part II. Jeb would be preferable.
I strongly disagree with this comparison.

Huntsman comes off elitist and condescending. Kasich connects with a wide array of voters, and often frames his actions in a religious context ("Expanding Medicaid is the Christian thing to do, even if I support the repeal of Obamacare and replacement with the PCA") without being overly-religious (think GWB and Huckabee) about it.

^^

Exactly. Kasich, wherever he departs from conservative orthodoxy, tends to frame his arguments to argue that he actually has the conservative point of view in the argument. Kasich is a far cry from Huntsman who seemingly ran to make fun of Republicans and plug his future 'No Labels' group before it existed. Kasich will not attempt to win over the GOP electorate by insulting us.

he'll insult, but as an equal rather than condescendingly.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why do some Republicans hate President Obama that much? on: April 17, 2015, 11:39:23 pm
Frankly, because he's a racist islamist  demagogue who got elected on a false premise of "changing the way politics is done" - when he has undoubtedly been the most hyperpartisan liberal president this country has ever had.

And that may be the cup of tea for the far-left, the problem is he portrayed himself as a completely different person.

He did change DC, but not for the better. The country is more divided than ever and more polarized than ever. There's more racial tension than ever. 

As you can see from this rant, because he was lauded with such impossible praise by many admirers at the beginning, some feel justified in holding him to this impossible standard, and blame him for whatever doesn't work out. 
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: April 17, 2015, 11:31:15 pm
There was some sort of wall collapse tonight at the building where I take art classes. No one knows yet how it happened, but there was a lot of construction recently in an adjacent building so may be related.  No one was there to get hurt, thank God. It's weird I was just there earlier today. The awful part is there are studios there where artists make their living, and a lot of fantastic artwork there so I hope the damage is not overwhelming.
25  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: %VAP ? on: April 17, 2015, 11:26:45 pm
I just realized I could look at this information on the voter turnout information tables.  The total VAP figures for each state change for each election within the same decade, so that shows they incorporate ACS.  Smiley
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