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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who is the highest ranking political figure(s) that you have shaken hands with? on: March 03, 2015, 11:53:23 pm
I shook hands with a state senator before he was a state senator. He was the leader of my cub scout pack.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If you were a member of Congress, would you attend Netanyahu's speech? on: March 03, 2015, 11:38:38 pm
If America were facing a hostile power possibly gaining nuclear weapons a stone's throw away from us, there is no way we would hesitate to exploit political divisions in another country if it would help our perceived interest. 
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: DHS Shutting Down in 1 week on: March 03, 2015, 11:21:22 pm

Wouldn't the necessary functions of DHS be better run if they were under a different Department and had to report to those people? And look, I know shutting it down is kind of just inefficient and wasteful, but it does open up to conversation at least to more productive ones like this - do we really need a DHS at all?

I'm afraid it tends not to. When something is threatened to have all its funding suddenly cut off in these congressional standoffs, then there is a rallying effect as both parties talk about how important it is and blame the other that it isn't being funded.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Amendment to Article I, Section 5 on: March 03, 2015, 10:35:28 pm
JCL, can you explain the importance of section 4? Ultimately I would accept either mine or Shua's amendments but the rest of the assembly seems to agree that section 4 isn't necessary in its current form.

Clause 4 explains the possible cases of needing the Lt. Gov. to cast a decide a tie breaking vote. I'm just trying to understand why my fellow assemblymen don't see the need for clause 4. I'm willing to work with either amendment.

Do you believe we need to limit when the LG can break ties?
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would Bushie be better off in Soviet Russia? on: March 03, 2015, 02:19:56 pm
time to focus on October.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If you were a member of Congress, would you attend Netanyahu's speech? on: March 03, 2015, 02:10:17 pm
No (I/R). I don't support needlessly antagonizing a country that has been mistreated to the point of war just because Israel has decided to become a little b*tch about everything and demands their way or the highway.


Israel has been creating more problems for us than solving them for the past 40 years. I actually do hope Obama fulfills conservative's fears and puts them in their place. There is no solid evidence that Iran is actually trying to build a nuclear weapon, and Israel has been claiming that "Iran is only a few months/years away from having one" for the past 20 years.

Israel has the right to exist, but not to fearmonger and ask us to be their lapdog for every war they want. I'm sick of all the Israel apologism for their destructive behavior.

"In their place"?  What place is that? 

America sure as hell shouldn't be taking it's orders from Netanyahu, but if America was in their place don't tell me we wouldn't be doing the exact same thing as they are. Israel isn't stupid to be concerned about Iran even if their approach is counterproductive.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What will Wulfric's political ideology be in five years? on: March 03, 2015, 02:25:32 am
Randian Hipster Christian.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Axelrod: Obama lied about opposing gay marriage on: March 03, 2015, 02:23:35 am
I laid in bed last night, awake, thinking of this.

Thinking of how Governor Walker was taken to task for saying he wasn't sure if the President was a Christian.

So the story as we assume we know it now is this: In 2004 Obama decided it would be politically advantageous to say he opposed gay marriage when in his heart, he supported it.

So is it really that far fetched to think that at some point in his early Chicago days, he decided that he couldn't get elected to anything as an out of the closet Atheist/Agnostic, so he pretended to be a follower of the Christian faith?
Thomas Jefferson and William Taft literally said they did not believe Jesus was anything more than a  human being.

I doubt they were the only ones.

as for Jefferson, Enlightenment fueled deism was popular in the secular (non-clergy) literate English world at the time.  nearly all of the "Founding Fathers" fit that demographic.

American religion moved to the right with the Second Great Awakening (1820s through 50s), became embedded in larger cultural issues in the teens and 20s (think Scopes trial), and only became explicitly politically active sometime in the 1970s (though before that it was heavily embedded within the segregationist Citizens' Councils, John Birch style anticommunism, etc).

Religion has been active in American politics from the beginning. What is most distinct about the Religious Right arising out of the 1970s is that it defined itself more clearly as a religious coalition  of conservatives in different denominations opposed to secularism, whereas earlier religious political movements tended to either be more sectarian, or more compatible with secularly oriented politics (and occasionally both).
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules on: March 03, 2015, 01:42:31 am
This "scandal" makes Benghazi look like Watergate.

please keep bringing up the failures of the State Department under Secretary Clinton to protect our diplomats every time we hear a story about how she borrowed a paper clip without asking.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this excerpt from the 1896 Republican Platform on: March 02, 2015, 10:57:24 pm
I'm guessing the equal pay for equal work disparity was greater than 10% in 1896.
Well of course, but at least they were willing to be progressive and push for some change.

At the time, the jobs that both men and women would have would be a secretary, teacher, something like that.

I suspect textile mills and other industrial jobs were the concern here more than the professions.
11  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Poquoson, VA on: March 02, 2015, 10:51:54 pm
whats the story of why it is so republican? Is it full of high-ranking naval officers?

the officers there would be more Air Force and Army on that side of the river.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this excerpt from the 1896 Republican Platform on: March 02, 2015, 10:23:50 pm
I'm guessing the equal pay for equal work disparity was greater than 10% in 1896.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If you were a member of Congress, would you attend Netanyahu's speech? on: March 02, 2015, 10:07:52 pm
depends on whether or not I could find a plausible "prior commitment."
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RIP Federalist Party (2012-15) on: March 02, 2015, 03:26:19 pm
As the only elected Federalist

Don't forget Maxwell (Southern Speaker). I suppose he might not count as an elected Federalist, though, since he was elected as a DR.

It's a Monday, so Maxwell is a Federalist. Tongue
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CPAC straw poll: Paul 26% Walker 21% Cruz 12% Carson 11% Bush 8% Santorum 4% on: March 02, 2015, 02:53:40 pm
Guys, I think Halperin may need an intervention. This is what he said about Fiorina:

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Unquestionably kept the momentum going and solidified the jelling conventional wisdom that she will be a major player in the nomination conversation and the debates, both on the merits, and because the party doesn’t want an all-male ’16 lineup.

Michele Bachmann would be a more competent president than Carly Fiorina. I say that in all seriousness.

perhaps, but that is not how she comes across, which is what counts for success at this stage.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: U.S, Congressional District Shapefiles 1789-2012 on: March 02, 2015, 02:47:31 pm
Awesome!  Unfortunately, this also means that I'm obsolete now.  Sad  lol

No, it just means you get a little help in the raw materials for making your beautiful maps. Smiley   
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Amendment to Article I, Section 5 on: March 02, 2015, 02:39:43 pm
Where are the powers of the LG invested if not in the Constitution?

The powers are listed in the section on the governor.

If it is in a different part of the Constitution, and we aren't changing that part of the Constitution, we don't need to add something to the Constitution saying we aren't changing it.
18  General Discussion / History / Re: Congressional Vote Maps: War and Foreign Policy on: March 02, 2015, 02:01:42 pm
back to the Spanish American War:

When the Senate took up the resolution, there was an amendment to limit U.S. long term involvement in Cuba by "disclaiming any United States disposition or intention of sovereignty, except for pacification and the ultimate independence of Cuba." This amendment was in the form of a substitute, and passed the Senate, but would eventually just become tacked down in modified form to the end of the conference committee report. It is known as the Teller Amendment after it's sponsor, Sen Teller of Colorado.

Senate vote, April 16, 1898: 60 - 28


After much back and forth the House and Senate went to conference committee and produced a resolution. Here are the final votes on the resolution, April 18, 1898:
House vote 316 - 6 (34 nv)


Senate vote 46 -37 (6 nv)

This mostly partisan Senate vote came after a battle in the Senate over the roles of Congress and the Executive in the aims and conduct of the war.
19  General Discussion / History / Re: German vote, 1864. Interesting article. on: March 02, 2015, 01:35:02 pm
Lincoln did a great deal to reach out to Germans but he wasn't alone in this. Seward was also a strong anti-nativist voice in the party who understood the essentialness of the anti-slavery immigrant vote to Republican success. Though a clear majority of Germans in 1856 voted Democrat, Fremont laid the groundwork in reaching out to them, and Republicans printed many electoral materials in German stressing the slavery issue.  Some of the strongest supporters for a Fremont candidacy in 1864 were Germans.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: First Republican President from the South? on: March 01, 2015, 09:27:19 pm
I'd say it was a Kentucky boy named Abraham Lincoln.

Birth state =/= where you are from, unless we're ready to say that we've never had a Democratic President from Illinois, but we've had a Republican one, which is a little absurd since Obama is treated as Illinois' son and very few here would even know that Reagan was born here

A person can be from more than one state. Lincoln spent his childhood in Kentucky and the extreme southern end of Indiana. One can say Lincoln was from what we call the Midwest, or from the Upper South. Neither would be inaccurate.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Hew Hampshire in 2014 and beyond? on: March 01, 2015, 01:10:57 pm
Hew Hampshire had good prospects last year even though he failed to run, but given the reputation of his family name in the state I think he will go far in the future.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Amendment to Article I, Section 5 on: March 01, 2015, 01:05:59 pm
Where are the powers of the LG invested if not in the Constitution?
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Mideast Matriot Militia - For the Defense of the Motherland! on: March 01, 2015, 12:49:19 pm
Memorandum:

In compliance with the recently passed Civil Rights Act, all male members of the Militia will be issued sports bras for use in training exercises.

...why?
gender neutral dress codes are required now in all sectors of society.

Oh great, another bunch of happy-trigger civilians calling themselves a "militia"...
Oh great, more baseless attacks.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Mideast Matriot Militia - For the Defense of the Motherland! on: March 01, 2015, 04:14:55 am
Memorandum:

In compliance with the recently passed Civil Rights Act, all male members of the Militia will be issued sports bras for use in training exercises.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Civil Rights Act of 2014 (Passed) on: March 01, 2015, 04:11:20 am
lol, the men's swimshirt manufacturers must be rejoicing over this. never change Atlasia!
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