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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: End Sports Profiteering Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 15, 2014, 06:23:30 pm
Aye
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Corporations Aren't People Amendment on: July 15, 2014, 11:36:30 am
The idea that religious freedom extends to those other than natural persons is hardly novel.  You can't require the JCC to serve ham sandwiches for the benefit of the agriculture lobby just because you are requiring this of an organization rather than an individual.

Looks like this amendment would take away any legal rights from corporations and organizations, but leave them with any duties that follow from legal personhood?

3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bolton: Knowing what we know today, Iraq War was still the right decision on: July 14, 2014, 02:13:03 pm
Remember this was the man who may very well have been Secretary of State if Romney had been President.

If so, then thank God for the filibuster.
4  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should homeschooling be legal? on: July 14, 2014, 01:47:16 pm
No.  It's usually done to shelter kids from the real world. Never a good idea.

most institutionalized education has absolutely no relation to "the real world."
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Fair Hiring Act of 2014 (Amendment at Vote) on: July 14, 2014, 12:52:53 pm
JoMCaR, I'm not really sure what the purpose of your amendment is. Could you clarify?

To make sure that the hiring process in companies doesn't end up in the hand of a few big union bosses. By giving the same power to the employer, we can assure more of a balance ^^

I see what you're getting at, but I don't think removing "or all" changes anything practically speaking.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 62nd Election of the PPT on: July 14, 2014, 12:51:16 pm
I wouldn't have interpreted the rules as requiring an invalidation of write-in votes, but I can definitely see where Windjammer is getting that.  The rules needs to be clarified here. Actually from what I can tell the rules don't say anything about nominating anyone or seconding nominations, so we've been following something other than the letter of the rules here for a while.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation hearing: Simfan for Attorney General (Final Vote) on: July 14, 2014, 12:45:27 pm
that'll do I guess.


Aye
8  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to Lock & Prohibit Current and any Future Deluge Threads on: July 14, 2014, 10:00:04 am
yes, please put it out of its misery.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: George Romney v. Eugene McCarthy v. George Wallace '68 on: July 13, 2014, 10:58:11 pm


Gov. George Romney (R-MI) / Sen. J. Caleb Boggs (R-DE)  43% 341
Sen. Eugene McCarthy (D-MN) / Sen. Ralph Yarborough (D-TX) 38% 120
Gov. George Wallace (AI-AL) / Gen. Curtis LeMay (AI-CA) 18% 77
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Wisconsin/Wyoming Governors on: July 13, 2014, 07:19:32 pm
I'm not a fan of Walker.  I don't know anything about Mead but I voted FF b/c Affirmative Action for Republicans.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation hearing: Simfan for Attorney General on: July 13, 2014, 06:48:04 pm
Simfan, what are your goals for this position?

Is it allowed for Simfan to respond to this even though the vote has already started?  If so I will wait for his response before voting.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Ukrainian Technical, Economical and Military Aid (Debating) on: July 13, 2014, 05:21:57 pm
Nay
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Pro-Life on: July 13, 2014, 05:03:37 pm
He's...unique. I wonder how many people in the world are antiabortion, anti death penalty, antiwar vegetarians who don't drink or do drugs but maybe smoke marijuana.

I'm really close to that, depending on how strictly one defines "antiwar" and whether I "maybe smoke marijuana." Tongue
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Let Us Have More Teachers Act (Debating) on: July 13, 2014, 04:18:31 pm
AYE
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kentucky state lege discusses climate change on: July 13, 2014, 03:53:02 pm
Idiocracy at it's finest:

Sen.(and coal mine owner) Brandon Smith:

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I don't want to get into the debate about climate change. But I will just simply point out that I think that in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars, there's no factories on Mars that I'm aware of. So I think what we're looking at is something much greater than what we're going to do.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/kentucky-senator-on-global-warming-there-are-no-coal-mines-on-mars-20140708

His aide said that he misspoke.  The link has actually video.


did his aide say what it was he meant to say?
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1964: Kennedy/Johnson vs Goldwater/Tower on: July 13, 2014, 03:42:51 pm


Kennedy/Johnson 383 57%   
Goldwater/Tower 155 43%

Tower helps Goldwater win Texas and reinforces his strength in the South, but the pick is a bit of a drag in the North where it highlights Goldwater's opposition to the Civil Rights Act.  Still JFK does not do as well in most of the country as LBJ did IRL.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the "Radical Republicans" on: July 13, 2014, 03:08:03 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Republicans

FFs, obviously, and a damn sight better than today's plantation owner-controlled Republican Party.

Name a single person in U.S. politics today who owns a slave plantation.

Maxine Waters and Barack Obama



That image looks really 3D to me for some reason, like there's a tiny Allen West poking his head through my computer screen. Freaky!
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should employers be allowed to deny chemotherapy coverage to employees? on: July 13, 2014, 12:59:25 pm
Should an employer be able to not provide health insurance coverage?  I believe so - there's no fundamental reason to require the two to be linked. Therefore they should be able to provide partial coverage also, so long as they are up front about it.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are women who demand access to family planning services "vile and horrible"? on: July 13, 2014, 12:32:44 pm
I won't make any universal judgements on a person's character for this, but trying to force someone to give you something when to do so would go against their beliefs is itself generally a horrible thing to do.

It's worth noting that virtually no one would agree to this unequivocally. There are rules that we expect everyone to abide by, regardless of what his or her personal beliefs dictate.

Thus the "generally,"  but the fact that it is not absolute does not mean that the principle should just be ignored.

I noticed that, but I find it strange that you wouldn't also respond to this poll's question by admitting that the women whom it refers to are generally not horrible or vile.

I don't advocate ignoring the principle completely, either, but I don't understand why how someone uses their health insurance benefit should be of any more concern to their employer than what that employee does with any other benefit. The connection between an employer paying for insurance and the coverage that an employee receives based on that employee's needs and personal choices is too indirect for me to find the personal beliefs argument at all compelling.

No, of course, the women whom this loaded poll question refers to are not generally horrible or vile. Thus "I won't make any universal judgements on a person's character for this" though maybe that was a bit too understated for this to come across.

There can be a sense of complicity in signing up for explicitly providing something that doesn't come with just writing a check to a person. Fundamentally, that someone has a conscientious objection to some act, even if it doesn't seem to someone else that they have a compelling reason should, is enough for me that their complaint should be accommodated if at all possible. And in this case, it is clear to me that it is possible to provide a benefit to people who need it through ways other than directly through an employer or other institution one is affiliated with. For one thing, one might be able to choose to avoid an employer, or not go to a university, that does not provide a certain benefit if it is important to someone.  Also there are government programs to provide contraception to those who need it (in a way that in fact does not exist for most medicinal care).
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Attention Governors, an amendment to the constitution has passed the senate on: July 13, 2014, 11:47:52 am
These are the changes that are being made:
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Article VII Section 2 of the Third Atlasian Constitution is hereby amended to read:

1. Upon application of the citizens of a majority of the Regions a majority of citizens in a majority of the Regions, the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall call a Constitutional Convention to amend or replace this Constitution. The Convention shall be constituted under regulations determined by the Senate. Such amendments or the replacement proposed by the Convention shall become operative when ratified by two-thirds of the Convention and the citizens of three-quarters of the Regions, in a public poll administered by the Governor or other officer as Regional Law may provide. All public polls mandated under this section shall be via public post and shall last for exactly one week.

2. The phrase “a majority of citizens” refers to the number of signatures needed from the citizens of an individual Region and shall be defined as a majority of the citizens of a Region and shall not be construed to refer to a majority of citizens nationwide, nor a majority of voting citizens of a Region.

3. “A majority of regions” shall be defined as a majority of the Regions of the Republic of Atlasia.


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21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Attention Governors, an amendment to the constitution has passed the senate on: July 13, 2014, 11:44:37 am
That is not the final amendment in the format that I believed the Senate had agreed to.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / LOA (Jul 14-25) on: July 13, 2014, 11:43:11 am
I will be out in the woods for a couple weeks.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Let Us Have More Teachers Act (Debating) on: July 13, 2014, 11:38:15 am
I am ready for a final vote.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Fair Hiring Act of 2014 (Amendment at Vote) on: July 13, 2014, 12:12:42 am
JoMCaR, I'm not really sure what the purpose of your amendment is. Could you clarify?
25  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should Private School (k-12) be Abolished in the United States? on: July 12, 2014, 11:23:12 pm
Yes, of course. It's impossible for "equality of opportunity" to exist as long as private schools exist.

No child deserves a better education just because their parents make more money or have better connections.

And yet that would happen even without private schools, just based on geography.
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