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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Twitter bans Milo for directing racial harassment on: July 24, 2016, 08:49:36 pm
I'd like to be able to name my kid Milo after my great-granfather, so I hope we are no longer on a first name basis with this jerk by that point.
2  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: ATTN MODS: one of your forum members is demanding that others commit suicide on: July 24, 2016, 08:29:18 pm
Considering there are a number of posters here whose mental health has been, shall we say, fragile at times, I think a ban of some sort is called for.  At least to set an example. 

I don't think we can consider such language on the basis that the target is KNOWN by the poster to have such issues. A perfect example was Joe Republic encouraging Tweed to attempt suicide again in the midst of the whole Bacon King/Modgate scandal. As much of a creep as Tweed was being (and still usually is), it was over the line.

Short of that, we CANNOT reduce disourse on Forum to the level of whether or not an inadvertent harsh word will trigger a suicide attempt. At the risk of sounding insensitive , someone so troubled that the final straw is the words of an anonymous poster on a politics site, is likely to be lost to the world by any one of inevitable day to day mini-crisises (a parking ticket, a rude customer service rep, an unexpected late fee, etc.) that we can't stop.

Let's not convince ourselves restricting such relatively tame "screw you" level insults will actually mean the difference between life and death for anyone.
A comment like the one under discussion here very easily could be a factor in a person's decision to end their own life. There is nothing "inadvertent" about telling another person to kill himself. It is a calculated act of cruelty, and in this case it comes from someone with a history of abusing other people on this forum.

Say what you want about AAD, but it has ways of handling most problem posters who enjoy bullying, causing pain, and de-railing discussions. And AAD is not dominated by the constant bullying, sniping, and harassment that defines most discussions here - the bulk of which is more objectionable for its sheer tedium rather than its cruelty.

Why would I want to post here when I can discuss the same subjects with most members of this community on another forum where people are not constantly nasty to each other? Certainly, few posters in good standing there would make excuses for someone who has repeatedly, and by all indications at least somewhat seriously, encouraged posters to kill themselves, which is the only sort of discourse that your equivocating would protect.

The tedium of insults over at AAD isn't as pervasive, but in terms of bullying I think it's often harsher, being more concentrated against certain people.  And a lot people who if they came over from this site to there, would be bullied until they left, as has happened before.
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The 2016 Presidential Candidates Re-Imagined as Atlas Posters on: July 24, 2016, 02:53:57 pm
Piyush would be the registered name, not the screen name.  good stuff though.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1012 - Federal Legalization of Fireworks Act of 2016 on: July 24, 2016, 02:44:03 pm
I don't see why this shouldn't be a regional issue.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1016 - Amendment to LGBTQ+ Act on: July 24, 2016, 02:42:50 pm
what is the legal age of majority here? 
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1015 - End Abuse of Civil Forfeiture Act on: July 24, 2016, 02:40:25 pm
amendment:

1. The practice of civil asset forfeiture shall only be permitted in conjunction with a successful criminal conviction of the subject(s) for a relevant crime, and its extent shall be regulated by the presiding judge, limited to those items which were acquired through criminal activity or where there is reason to believe the property will be used for criminal use.
2. If such a conviction is successfully appealed, the subject(s) shall be entitled to fair recompense.
3. The preceding protections shall not apply to the areas of maritime or customs law.

'Civil' is striken since the definition of allowed forfeiture limited to only criminal convictions precludes any civil forfeiture.  The rest is to clarify the scope of any potential forfeiture.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1010 - Atlasian Death With Dignity Act of 2016 on: July 24, 2016, 02:22:55 pm
why Pentobarbital, specifically?
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1013 - National Right to Life Act on: July 24, 2016, 02:17:38 pm
I meant to make a suggestion on that point as well:  it should be clarified that notification is not required if there is reason to believe the child is a victim of abuse or could suffer abuse as a result of notification.   still I wonder about the rationale for a general rape exception here, where there is not suspected abuse from the parent/guardian.  if a parent is necessary in other cases, to provide for the well-being of their child during this process, I don't know why it wouldn't be here as well.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1014 - Drug Law Reform Act on: July 24, 2016, 02:08:23 pm
Seems like the federal government would have a necessary role in terms of the importation of drugs into the nation, and with the sale or transfer of drugs between regions. 

Also, while I'd like to see there be no laws criminalizing drug use or possession anywhere, do we have the constitutional authority to prohibit regions from making laws about this? 
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1013 - National Right to Life Act on: July 24, 2016, 01:56:02 pm
Quote
National Right to Life Act
1. It is hereby illegal to intentionally terminate a pregnancy beyond the 20th week of pregnancy, except if a medical doctor believes that the mother's life is in danger, or in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape/incest.
2. Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall have any existing license to practice a medical profession revoked for a minimum of two years and no more than five. They shall also be assessed with a fine up to $50,0000.
3. Any person knowingly facilitating the inducement of a prohibited abortion shall be subject to a criminal fine no larger than $10,000.
4. Any individual under the age of sixteen must notify a parent or guardian in order to have an abortion, except in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape/incest.
5. Any person who wishes to undergo an abortion, whose life is not judged to be in danger, will be subject to a waiting period of 7 days and be presented materials on the adoption process and other options. Should the person request the abortion and it is past 20 weeks after the 7 day waiting period, they may still be permitted terminate the pregnancy.
6. A mother who undergoes an illegal abortion cannot be fined or imprisoned for violating the provisions of this act.
7. The use of public funds may not be permitted to any facility that performs abortions for any reason except if it is a medical necessity.
8. No agency of the federal government shall be permitted to aid, in any way, in the procurement or performance of an abortion except in cases of medical necessity.
10. Any agent of the federal government who is knowingly involved in procuring public funds or public facilities for an abortion which is not determined to be medically necessary shall be subject to dismissal and may face a fine up to $25,000.
11. Any organization which is involved in the provision of an abortion which is not determined to be medically necessary will be subject to the removal of part or all of its public funds.

Sponsor: Rep. ClarkKent (F-CT)

some suggestions:
1.  remove rape/incest exception for this late in the pregnancy.  add cases of diagnosis of terminal illness for the fetus/child.  clarify the standard of what is meant by "mother's health"

5. language needs to be cleaned up here at the very least. also I'm not sure I support so long a waiting period given every day the fetus becomes more developed, with potentially more awareness. I question if it is worth it if we are only delaying the abortion.

thoughts?
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: July 24, 2016, 02:23:56 am
I, shua, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of Representative, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia, so help me Dave.
12  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are racism and homophobia equal evils? on: July 23, 2016, 11:14:17 pm
are two vague things ethically equal?  i guess in a way they may or may not be perhaps.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Al Realpolitik Institute of Sulfur Mining & Extraction on: July 23, 2016, 03:08:36 pm
No, she'll lose against TRUMP.

You seem to have an ancestral preference for national socialists. Like grandfather, like grandson.

This is possibly the most racist thing I have ever seen on Atlas.

Bullying the German as a Nazi? Even I recognize the immense stupidity, stereotyping, and bullying two twenty/thirty-somethings appear to be engaging in here. If you're looking for an example of young racism, this is the perfect example. Not the German "OBVIOUS NAZI" Trump supporter.

as a german, kindly f[inks] off

what are you going to do if he doesn't?   invade?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / graph of the post-GOP convention bounce on: July 23, 2016, 02:53:36 am

http://ivn.us/2016/07/22/searches-for-3rd-party-candidate-skyrocket/

15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How masculine/feminine do you rate yourself? on: July 23, 2016, 02:25:11 am
In regards to gender roles, people on both sides take very absurd stances. My favoured point of comparison is height. Imagine overhearing an argument between two people about the effect of gender one height. One person argues that gender has no effect on height, and any supposed difference in the average height of genders is down to upbringing. The other person disagrees and says, no, actually every single woman is smaller than men. All persons who do not conform to the normal heights of their danger are subversive abherations. And they will argue into the night. It's the same for many emotional attributes. There is a difference in the "average" (insofar as such qualities can be assigned numerical values) aggressiveness (etc) of genders, but these bell curves are wide and overlapping. So I do disagree with ssuperflash's hypothetical. Dropping one boy and one girl into the woods wouldn't really show anything, but dropping 500 boys and 500 girls into the woods might be more revealing.

The other rot people bring up is forgetting that natural selection is an explanation, not an excuse. Human civilisation has been a grand experiment in ignoring natural selection, so I see no reason to say "well evolution says x, so we must follow call of nature!"* especially in the pseudoscientific justification of a lot of treasured "old" gender roles came into place hilariously recently, especially for working-class women.

*The reality of Paleolithic life may be far more egalitarian than we might think.



I think it is generally more a matter of culture channeling and forming the raw material of biological tendencies than flat out ignoring it.  Ignoring these things isn't sustainable, because these tendencies will crop up, and without the sort of culture or ethic that can direct and support them in productive ways they can turn destructive. For example, developing and constraining the fight instinct into a protective stance rather than a self-seeking aggressive one.  On the other hand, culture can also make these tendencies much more destructive then they might be otherwise. Ultimately we can escape neither culture nor our biology, and these things cannot escape each other, but there is a lot of room for how we configure this interaction.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Banda district Ghana didn't experience food insecurity until Colonialism on: July 23, 2016, 12:48:14 am
Not surprising in the slightest. Famine in Africa is generally a product of global food markets, not the local agriculture.

And other disruptions such as war. 

Basically, anything that causes the normal things that people rely on to get through times of poor agricultural conditions to break down.  In this case, it seems, colonial policy prevented them from trading their goods with other regions for food, as they had done traditionally.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Four myths in the GOP Platform on: July 22, 2016, 11:54:26 am
ACA affected a lot more than the individual insurance market.  Look at the push to consolidate hospitals for instance, or change other healthcare practice in other ways. 

Debt doubling is pretty much true, if you look at $ amounts, the article admitted as much. Annual deficits have gone down, but that is after a huge increase at the beginning. Longterm deficits are still a major problem. 

I'm not really interested in reading any further after the misrepresentation over the first 2 points.  Obviously the RNC platform is an exercise in political polemics, and so is this article.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How masculine/feminine do you rate yourself? on: July 22, 2016, 10:54:43 am
according to social stereotypes of masculinity: 2
according to my own understanding of healthy masculinity: 1
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Knife held to your throat... on: July 22, 2016, 02:11:45 am
depends on who's holding the knife.

Your ex-wife.

goodness, I didn't realize I had a wife, much less an ex-wife!  what happened last night?!
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Does JCL have the lowest self awareness of any Forum member? on: July 22, 2016, 02:00:55 am
The best thing is because he has self-defined as anti-establishment for so long, he cannot comprehend the fact that he and the establishment are on the same side when I comes to Trump

In the Trump GOP, much of the 'establishment' is now anti-establishment.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Social Conservative, Fiscally Liberal Peeps. on: July 22, 2016, 12:29:58 am
socially feudalist, fiscally communist.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you support National ID cards? on: July 22, 2016, 12:18:28 am
No.  In what possible way is that consistent with human freedom?  You shouldn't need an ID except for a particular purpose like if you want to drive.
I don't understand how it takes away any freedoms.  Especially if it is just your driver's license, standardized across all the states.  Perhaps it doesn't bother me because I've been carrying a Fed Govt ID card since 1994 and I don't recall it ever taking away any of my freedoms.  I could not get behind forcing them on people that don't want them, but I'm not really seeing the issue, especially if you're already "in the system" with a SS number, drive a car, travel, purchase things with plastic, live a modern life.

If you aren't required to have one, what's the point?  The whole idea is so the government can know who you are and easily keep track of you, isn't it? 

The government has enough ammunition to use against people it finds bothersome, I don't see the need to give it any more.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: July 21, 2016, 11:50:24 pm
I'd be offended by the idea of a break room TV. Seriously, must we have boob tubes shoved down our faces in all public places? It was just marginally acceptable in the era before people could use their own personal electronics to feed their video addictions. Fight Big Brother, eliminate telescreens from our public places!
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Excited to say I will be protesting the RNC! on: July 21, 2016, 11:45:07 pm
did you survive unscathed?
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The last movie you've seen thread 2016 on: July 21, 2016, 01:54:05 am
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn

great old film, very beautifully done, about a little girl and the struggles of her family.  Elia Kazan's first feature.
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