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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you be disappointed if your son... on: Today at 12:06:16 am
If I had an adopted son with my boyfriend, I would be wondering first and foremost where I went wrong with him and why he would want to pursue his life as an Alaskan Eskimo. However, I would at least give him the benefit of the doubt of dating Palin partially for media attention and Palin not being Jan Brewer or Jean Schmidt.

Isn't the proper term for Alaska "Inuit" and not "Eskimo"?

It can be, though "Eskimo" also includes the Yupik in Alaska who are distinct from the Inuit.  In Canada the "Eskimos" are Inuit.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP just handed the Democrats the house im November on: July 30, 2014, 11:20:44 pm
Republicans should be rooting for these delays on the worst aspects of this law, and encouraging the President to make more of them, not suing him over it. 

Didn't Romney say something in the campaign about him stopping enforcement of Obamacare on day one of his wished-for presidency?
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Governor Keaton Endorses Spiral! on: July 29, 2014, 10:20:17 pm
I'm happy to endorse you, Assemblyman. I've witnessed your effective leadership while you were in the Governor's office and the legislative know-how you've used in the Assembly. If Atlasians want an able and competent Senator, you're their guy.

You're also the perfect fit to fill shua's shoes in the Senate. It's critical that we don't lose this seat to the left.

Wait, are we talking about my shoes or my seat?    I think I may need to keep my shoes.  They make  a nice pillow.

This looks to be such an interesting race I was almost tempted to jump in, but instead I'll give Spiral my endorsement.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Online Political Trivia/Quizzes Thread on: July 29, 2014, 09:58:20 pm
132/167 (and damn it, I quit after 8 minutes, walked away and then immediately thought of a) the Dem candidate in 1864 and b) the President from 1808-16. So it ought to be 134. For a Limey that's not too bad.

One question: how did J*m*s *r*d*ll qualify in 1796 for Presidential votes? He was born in Sussex to a father from Bristol; surely less a natural-born citizen than someone born in British Kenyayaland or indeed the Panama Canal Zone? Where do the birther movement stand on that one?

presumably he was a citizen/resident at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona execution lasts almost 2 hours on: July 29, 2014, 09:53:35 pm
Yeah, as I already stated and as used in law, malice need not involve hate.  Now if you want to talk about how the word is used commonly, malice and hate are synonyms, but not in legal jargon, and we're talking law here.

If someone deliberately kills me (and not in self-defense) I just don't get why whether it's considered murder should depend on whether the killer has "malice" or not.
6  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Poll: Capitalism dying? on: July 29, 2014, 05:33:29 pm
Couldn't "capitalism" or "market based" system mean any system exists where people generally are compelled to perform for each other based or some sort of offer acceptance and consideration?

This could all be based on asking whether or not someone is for "human rights" or "freedom".

A market based system is at least in theory based on mutual consent, but capitalism I would understand as involving the use and investment of capital as central to economic activity (though that definition would describe a great many things not usually thought of as capitalism).

What qualifies as "consent" and "capital". If Republicans got their way much of the consent would be through duress and if Democrats got their way much  consent would indirectly implied through the Democratic process

The key is mutual consent, as opposed to collective consent. If someone is commanded to buy or to sell something at a certain rate, that would not be mutual consent between buyer and seller and have no relation to a functional market. Decisions made out of duress on the other hand are not incompatible with a market, though they may be incompatible with a functional economy in other ways.
7  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Poll: Capitalism dying? on: July 29, 2014, 11:40:06 am
Couldn't "capitalism" or "market based" system mean any system exists where people generally are compelled to perform for each other based or some sort of offer acceptance and consideration?

This could all be based on asking whether or not someone is for "human rights" or "freedom".

A market based system is at least in theory based on mutual consent, but capitalism I would understand as involving the use and investment of capital as central to economic activity (though that definition would describe a great many things not usually thought of as capitalism).
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Americans VS Congress. on: July 29, 2014, 11:18:41 am
76% of voters say most members do not deserve re-election.

Yet about 70% of them will vote to reelect their own member, who is obviously flawless.

Correction: around 90% of them will reelect their own member! Oh the American public.

Antonio's number is more accurate, but 90% will be reelected.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: do you consider Nicki Minaj to be representative of black femininity? on: July 29, 2014, 09:28:13 am
No (racist/sexist)

10  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Poll: Communist China? on: July 29, 2014, 09:03:05 am
This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. No, China is not Communist, it never was.

Mao missed the memo on that one?
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona execution lasts almost 2 hours on: July 29, 2014, 12:29:37 am
Capital punishment is not done with malice.  That's the critical distinction between murder and manslaughter.  Intending ahead of time that your malicious act will definitely result in death is the usual distinction between first- and second-degree murder.

OK, but how is capital punishment not done with malice? I imagine you'll say it's being done in the positive interest of society, but towards the person being executed, it seems pretty malicious.

I don't see, on a moral level, why it matters whether the person has been convicted of a crime, as to whether killing him should be regarded as malicious.

Malice requires evil intent.  As long as it not done spitefully or meanfully, an execution need not be malicious.

If someone kills me because they want my watch, they may have no malice toward me, but does that stop it from being murder?

Even without any physical injury inflicted, theft for personal gain is malice by any rational definition of the word.  Malice need not involve hate.

What then is a rational definition for malice?   

"Malice requires evil intent."  If you want a definition without using the e-word, then a good one would be: "Malice occurs when an action is taken primarily or solely for personal gain without consideration of harm that may be done to another by that action."

Except that leaves out hatred, not to mention terrorism that one could argue might be for some disinterested cause or even a noble goal - but if you kill some random person for it should still be considered murder.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why was turnout in the South so low 1872-1968? on: July 28, 2014, 11:29:13 pm
1920 Census: 1,683,724
1920 Election: 66,808 total votes

1930 Census: 1,738,765
1932 Election: 104,407 total votes


quite a jump there.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona execution lasts almost 2 hours on: July 28, 2014, 11:16:05 pm
Capital punishment is not done with malice.  That's the critical distinction between murder and manslaughter.  Intending ahead of time that your malicious act will definitely result in death is the usual distinction between first- and second-degree murder.

OK, but how is capital punishment not done with malice? I imagine you'll say it's being done in the positive interest of society, but towards the person being executed, it seems pretty malicious.

I don't see, on a moral level, why it matters whether the person has been convicted of a crime, as to whether killing him should be regarded as malicious.

Malice requires evil intent.  As long as it not done spitefully or meanfully, an execution need not be malicious.

If someone kills me because they want my watch, they may have no malice toward me, but does that stop it from being murder?

Even without any physical injury inflicted, theft for personal gain is malice by any rational definition of the word.  Malice need not involve hate.

What then is a rational definition for malice?   
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Explain the following on: July 28, 2014, 02:01:31 pm
To really examine this question it would be useful to see data prior to the late 60s. One notable thing about this graph is that white and black household income have the same trends, with minor differences in amplitude, but start from a very different place. With Hispanics, the trend still follows but is less close and generally flatter as one one expect from a continual flow of new immigrants from lower on the socioeconomic ladder.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Mitt Romney endorse HRC if Rand is the Republican nominee? on: July 28, 2014, 01:43:24 pm
not publicly.
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Your favorite kind of pie on: July 27, 2014, 11:59:26 am
Other, pecan. How did it get left off? Sad

A damn yankee made the list.

pecan is a favorite in my damn yankee family.

I don't know whether to say pecan, pumpkin or apple. They're all so good.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What do you call this ideology? on: July 27, 2014, 12:32:37 am
Around the beginning of the year, AH.com poster Noravea started this thread to discuss the ideological and political beliefs he held at the time, which can be broadly summed up in the following points:

  • Supportive of a benevolent authoritarian government over democracy, which he believes hinders progress in society
  • Socially progressive: anti-racism, anti-homophobia, anti-poverty, etc.
  • Vaguely economically leftist, understands "importance" of business leaders and material wealth but also believes workers need representation; supports "Third Position" economics and state intervention to protect worker interests
  • Calls for greater involvement of youth in government, politics and society
  • Backs cutting back on the military, returning all US overseas troops and a stronger U.N. to preserve peace and order in the world

He called it fascism, but anybody who knows anything about fascism knows the stuff about cutting back on the military and strengthening the U.N. makes that label fall flat on its face. So what label does apply?

Not a very coherent or logical ideology. How is this authoritarian state going to be maintained if the military is being cut back? Why would this authoritarian government want any more power to go to the UN when the UN would more likely than not attempt to stop this government from being so authoritarian?

And what is the "glue" that's going to keep all this together? Give too much power or voice to business or to workers and they'll try to overthrow you. If you're preaching anti-racism and anti-discrimination, where is the enemy/scapegoat that you're going to try to turn the people towards if you think they might try to question your authority?

easy: you define the people who don't support the regime/program as "social reactionaries."
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: An open letter to Benjamin Netanyahu on: July 26, 2014, 09:53:07 pm
foul mudamma bean dip
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Senators: Final Results on: July 26, 2014, 08:53:52 pm
odd that Johanns is in the bottom half of Republicans.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona execution lasts almost 2 hours on: July 26, 2014, 08:24:31 pm
Capital punishment is not done with malice.  That's the critical distinction between murder and manslaughter.  Intending ahead of time that your malicious act will definitely result in death is the usual distinction between first- and second-degree murder.

OK, but how is capital punishment not done with malice? I imagine you'll say it's being done in the positive interest of society, but towards the person being executed, it seems pretty malicious.

I don't see, on a moral level, why it matters whether the person has been convicted of a crime, as to whether killing him should be regarded as malicious.

Malice requires evil intent.  As long as it not done spitefully or meanfully, an execution need not be malicious.

If someone kills me because they want my watch, they may have no malice toward me, but does that stop it from being murder?
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What do you call this ideology? on: July 26, 2014, 08:12:47 pm
postliberal neoprogressivism
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which news media pundit is the preceding poster most like? on: July 26, 2014, 05:19:33 pm
Nick Gillespie
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why was turnout in the South so low 1872-1968? on: July 26, 2014, 04:17:40 pm
That literacy gap between North and South was much more dramatic at the beginning of that period than today (as seen in this map).  In some states more than just blacks more limited in voting, also the discrimination was toward the wrong kind of whites.  Thus differences in how tightly the vote was controlled contributed to a smaller turnout in VA than NC even after the former was surpassed by the latter in % black population.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Let Us Have More Teachers Act (Law'd) on: July 26, 2014, 02:58:47 pm
I thank the Senate for passing this, and the President for signing it.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: a few words from senator shua on: July 26, 2014, 09:36:23 am
I've been away for the past week and a half working at a summer camp and reflecting on where I want to focus my energies. As I was away I decided I probably would not come back for the full remainder of my term. Coming back, I have decided to go ahead and step down.  You all are great people but the Senate is not a place of positive energy for me right now.
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