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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Heaven has 'extreme vetting'? When Republicans legislate from the Bible on: February 22, 2017, 02:36:05 pm
Darwinian evolution also has extreme vetting.  Sorry little fish, can't migrate out of the sea until your phenotype can prove you have the right series of mutations. And it's a long waiting list. Millions of years.  You go extinct first, not our problem.
27  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on repealing Dodd-Frank and reinstating Glass-Stegall? on: February 22, 2017, 02:31:20 pm
Nay and Aye.

Regulation is rarely a bad thing.

I have trouble understanding how an actual human being who has to live in the real world could believe this. 
28  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Kalwejt Foundation for the Promotion of Atlas Hilarity on: February 22, 2017, 01:05:52 pm
thread title is a bit Kafkaesque imo.
29  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1928: Coolidge runs on: February 20, 2017, 01:19:34 pm
Either a big landslide(Hoover 1928 or bigger), or a comination of 1916, 1924, and 1928.


253: Alfred Smith/Charles W. Bryan - 37.0%
244: Calvin Coolidge/Ira Clifton Copley - 36.1%
34: Miles Poindexter/Robert La Follette, Jr. - 24.1%
Others - 2.8%

what is going on in this map Huh
30  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada's early history on: February 18, 2017, 06:39:55 pm
Does anyone know the story of Canada?  Did it ever seek independence from Great Britain?  I know hardly anything at all about it.

Was there a left and a right in the Canada of the late 1800s?  I know it became a country somewhere around 1867, right?

Canada became a (mostly independent) nation in 1867 as a result of the end of the U.S Civil War when many Canadians feared that the United States would try and invade Canada to make it part of the United States.


Really ? I'd be interested to hear about what their thinking was.
31  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Austrian youth prison, now with 50%+ Muslims, gets mosque on: February 18, 2017, 06:35:51 pm
Quote
But this was regarded as unfair by the governor. . .

What was regarded as unfair Huh  Is there a paragraph missing?
32  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Statement regarding hate speech on: February 18, 2017, 06:22:32 pm
How are you defining "hate speech"?  What was not allowed before that is now? I'm afraid if the intent of this statement was to be vague and confuse things more than before, you have succeeded.
33  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Democratic Runner up vs Republican runner up: Eugene McCarthy vs Rockefeller on: February 18, 2017, 02:50:05 am
McCarthy easily.
34  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Elon Musk on: February 18, 2017, 02:47:13 am
The stuff he's said about artificial intelligence and simulated reality is insane. He honestly reminds me of a comic book or sci-fi movie villain.

Yeah, you'd call people who predicted we'd have almost all the information available in our pockets 'insane' 30 years ago, too.

Those people were insane.  But the lunatics are in charge now and have made their vision a reality.

Anyway I still think Elon Musk sounds like some cologne they sell at Nordstrom.
35  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: February 2017 Federal Election on: February 17, 2017, 03:33:50 am
PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF ATLASIA

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Independent

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Federalist Party

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United Alternative

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Federalist Party

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Labor Party

[4] Potus2036 of West Virginia
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Federalist Party

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Labor Party

[3] tedbessell of California
Federalist Party
36  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Farewell on: February 16, 2017, 04:40:55 pm
If Santander really did post what has been implied here that he did... um... then why hasn't he been banned? Honestly a lot of people have been kicked off this forum for a lot less. Or is it really true that popularity matters massively? It would be very disappointing if that were actually true.

We've had posters who were very straightforward about being admirers of Stalin and other commie mass murderers.  Did anyone consider banning TNF or WinstonDisraeli over this?   Or do you mean because for Santander it is obvious trolling?
37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Grassley: The US shouldn't blame Russia for meddling cause of... Italy 1948 on: February 16, 2017, 04:04:18 pm
O no, someone putting things into historical perspective!  The Republic is doomed if this continues!
38  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: US Religion by County, 1950 Census on: February 16, 2017, 12:25:44 am
What's with all these Catholics in the Mountain West? Huh
The US Census has never asked individuals about their religion, and it is now illegal to do so. Since answering the census is mandatory, it is felt that it would violate freedom of conscience to ask the question.

In the the latter part of 19th Century, there was a separate questionnaire for churches which would be conducted at the same time as the census. In 1890, for the first time, it included a question about church membership. Every 10 years, from 1906-1946, there was a separate census of religious bodies, though the results from 1946 were not published.

In 1890, Montana had 142K, Arizona 88K, Idaho 88K, and Wyoming 62K. By comparison, Colorado had 413K. Notice how huge the counties in Montana were.

Because it is more centrally organized, it is easier for the Catholic church to organize parishes. It might be possible because priests are single, that it would be easier to send a young priest off to a rough frontier town. It might be hard to recruit a minister and his wife and young children. Catholics may have better record keeping, and may record "members" differently. Churches might be less likely to be skipped. Each protestant body would have to organize separately. If there were 100 Catholics, and 200 protestants in a town, the 200 protestants might be divided among 10 denominations, so they would be faced with organizing a church for a couple dozen members. There might be a Methodist church in one town, and a Lutheran in the next, and so on. Methodists might not go to the Lutheran church and vice versa.

So in other words, the 1890 map shows percentage of members of religious bodies, not of population as a whole. Is the same true of the 1950 map?
39  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Grammys are racist? on: February 14, 2017, 10:10:09 pm
Adele is better than Beyonce, and it has nothing to do with race.

just fundamentally false. Adele owes everything she has to better Motown artists from the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

Adele basically admits that, by the way.

the only thing I'll grant Adele is that her "homage" is more tasteful and honest than, say, Amy Winehouse or Sam Smith.

{insert almost any contemporary megastar pop artist} owes everything they have to better Motown artists from the 60s, 70s and 80s.
40  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Donald Trump vs. Pope Francis on: February 14, 2017, 01:46:59 pm
Francis, duh.


I wonder how Bill Donahue would vote.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which is more like Massachusetts- Southern New Hampshire or Rhode Island? on: February 14, 2017, 01:36:04 pm
"Massachusetts" is hard to generalize, but in general I'd say southern New Hampshire.

No it isn't. Kennedys. Boston.Ivy League. Done.

Rhode Island is easily closer if that's how simplified it gets.
Um, how much experience do you have being in Massachusetts and Rhode Island?

The Boston/Cambridge part of Massachusetts is very different from the rest of the state.

And Rhode Island is like a blue-collar, rust-belt Midwestern city-state transplanted into New England (but with strong enough unions and party machinery that it stays Democrat)

Doesn't that describe a significant portion of Massachusetts though? (Worcester, Springfield, New Bedford, Lowell?...)
42  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grounds for Impeaching President Trump on: February 14, 2017, 01:29:06 pm
With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

Except that a) what Flynn did would not be considered treason and b) Trump has not been implicated.

Flynn was allegedly negotiating with the Russians to lift the sanctions in exchange for some undisclosed concessions. The question will be whether he was doing it on his own or at Trump's request.
 
The first would be treason, the second would be reckless diplomacy.

the first and second what?
A private individual attemtping to negotiate with a foreign power on behalf of the US is illegal but it isn't treason.

This assumes that the dropping of sanctions wasnt a quid pro quo for helping beat Hillary. There is blood in the water right now, this will get much worse for Trump.

No, it assumes we have a Constitution which has a limited definition of treason.
43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grounds for Impeaching President Trump on: February 14, 2017, 12:27:11 am
With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

Except that a) what Flynn did would not be considered treason and b) Trump has not been implicated.

Flynn was allegedly negotiating with the Russians to lift the sanctions in exchange for some undisclosed concessions. The question will be whether he was doing it on his own or at Trump's request.
 
The first would be treason, the second would be reckless diplomacy.

the first and second what?
A private individual attemtping to negotiate with a foreign power on behalf of the US is illegal but it isn't treason.
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grounds for Impeaching President Trump on: February 14, 2017, 12:13:08 am
With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

Except that a) what Flynn did would not be considered treason and b) Trump has not been implicated.
45  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Issue with one particular moderator on: February 13, 2017, 10:50:23 pm

"Saying that it's offensive to state that Jews are a cancer on society is really offensive to those forum members who suffer from cancer"

It's dumb because most people who suffer from mental illnesses aren't proud and happy about it. Mental illness acceptance is about not judging a person completely or make ridiculous inferences about them based on the one aspect of their being that is mental illness. It isn't to pretend as if crippling depression or schizophrenia isn't a bad thing. And I find it hard to buy that anyone would think competently about it for more than say 30 seconds and not immediately see this so it struck me as an attempt to be clever about something to score a cheap point. As someone who has dealt with and has been close to many people who deal with mental illness I found it to not be an act worthy of a very respectful answer. So I, admittedly, didn't give a very respectful answer.

That's an absurd analogy. Saying someone is a cancer and saying someone has cancer are not the same thing.  And everything else you said also seems to rely on this same inability to make a distinction between the person and the illness.

If someone is offended when they are told that something is a mental illness which is an aspect of themselves or their experience, I don't blame them for feeling that way. But that's a subjective response, and doesn't automatically make the statement about it being a mental illness hateful or degrading of their value as a person. If you think it does, then yes, it does sound to me like you are saying something about what you think of those with mental illness.

I'm not sure why you think that distinction is so important here? You can rephrase it to Jewishness if you think that matters and have the same point.

Again, mental illness is a bad thing. Particularly to people who have it. Thus, labeling something as a mental illness is degrading to that especially as, if you say, it's important to your identity. I mean, to be honest, it sounds from what you're saying here that you kind of know this so it seems like a bit of an unnecessary argument. If I recall correctly who you are you're one of the people who really dislikes feminists, etc so I do think you were trying to score a gotcha point that doesn't sound very convincing in your own ears either. That's not the biggest crime ever so I guess my language was a bit overly harsh (I had just gotten home and was still drunk Tongue ). So, I'm sorry about the unnecessary harshness but I stand by the substance of my point.

What isn't convincing to my ears is saying certain things are mental illnesses is personally degrading, but saying other things are isn't, because politics. 
46  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Antonio V on: February 13, 2017, 01:01:29 pm
almost as good as the first 4 Antonios.

I honestly don't get why people always assume it's a Roman numeral. Huh

because it's more fun that way.
47  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Antonio V on: February 12, 2017, 07:35:14 pm
almost as good as the first 4 Antonios.
48  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Goddamn on: February 12, 2017, 06:45:10 pm
hey again Sven. I liked some of your early work, you should go back to that.
49  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Farewell on: February 12, 2017, 01:40:39 pm
no idea what the heck you are complaining about, but I've enjoyed some of your contributions so I hope you return.
50  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Issue with one particular moderator on: February 11, 2017, 10:54:24 pm

"Saying that it's offensive to state that Jews are a cancer on society is really offensive to those forum members who suffer from cancer"

It's dumb because most people who suffer from mental illnesses aren't proud and happy about it. Mental illness acceptance is about not judging a person completely or make ridiculous inferences about them based on the one aspect of their being that is mental illness. It isn't to pretend as if crippling depression or schizophrenia isn't a bad thing. And I find it hard to buy that anyone would think competently about it for more than say 30 seconds and not immediately see this so it struck me as an attempt to be clever about something to score a cheap point. As someone who has dealt with and has been close to many people who deal with mental illness I found it to not be an act worthy of a very respectful answer. So I, admittedly, didn't give a very respectful answer.

That's an absurd analogy. Saying someone is a cancer and saying someone has cancer are not the same thing.  And everything else you said also seems to rely on this same inability to make a distinction between the person and the illness.

If someone is offended when they are told that something is a mental illness which is an aspect of themselves or their experience, I don't blame them for feeling that way. But that's a subjective response, and doesn't automatically make the statement about it being a mental illness hateful or degrading of their value as a person. If you think it does, then yes, it does sound to me like you are saying something about what you think of those with mental illness.
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