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26  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why did Gore do so well in NY NJ and CT on: August 25, 2014, 01:05:45 am
W's Southern Cowboy Jesus persona was not at all a good fit culturally with New Netherlands/Lower New England, especially with him as a relative unknown.  I'm actually a little surprised he did better in New England than Dole did.
27  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: August 25, 2014, 12:21:04 am
I've already told a few people this privately but I've hesitated to tell the forum at large. I'm finally going the distance and going through a gender-presentation transition. (I'd use a less queer-theory-ese term for this but as it turns out none are really accurate.)

I understand if some of the more socon posters with whom I'm friendly aren't entirely comfortable with or accepting of this but I'd like to ask that they do the courtesy of not giving me grief over it. If anybody else gives me grief over it, I'll treat it as personal attack and use the report function accordingly.

Sounds like you are dealing with a lot of change in your life with this and starting grad school at the same time.  Hope it goes well for you.
28  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you rather live in London or Stockholm? on: August 24, 2014, 08:03:56 pm
Are the Americans aware that Stockholm means passport free travel in Europe? Wink

Do you need a passport to travel to London?
29  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is this post racially insensitive? on: August 24, 2014, 07:37:49 pm
I didn't catch that his roommate was black the first time I read that. Plenty of gangsta white jocks in the South that like to use the n-word.
30  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Forum racists on: August 24, 2014, 07:06:52 pm
This thread is a trainwreck of incompetence when it comes to racist spotting Tongue

I know right?  Page 4 and still no mention of yours truly.

I don't hate all people of race of course - only those who have yet to request a remission from my intolerance via deposit to my bank account.
31  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2014 Federal Election - At-Large Senate on: August 24, 2014, 06:18:20 pm
[10] Alfred F. Jones of Rhode Island
Labor Party

[8] Bacon King of Oceania
National Front to Restore Democracy

[11] Clarence of Florida
Federalist Party

[1] Deus naturae of New York
Democratic-Republican Party

[9] Dr Cynic of Pennsylvania
Labor Party

[2] GAworth of South Dakota
P.E.A.C.E. Party

[3] JohanusCalvinusLibertas (JCL) of Indiana
Federalist Party

[4] LuminevonReuental of Utah
Federalist Party

[6] Mechaman of Indiana
Bad Party

[5] Poirot of New York
Independent

[7] Polnut of Massachusetts
The People's Party
32  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the individuals in this photo on: August 23, 2014, 10:04:39 pm
An important clarification: It's not an actual dead person. Using an actual corpse in a protest display would be pretty f^cked up.
33  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I like to appogize for my hateful posts. on: August 23, 2014, 09:52:10 pm
Why does Australia look like a pooping animal fetus? And why does the Sweden avatar look like a leperous penis?

why does the coastline of the MN avatar look like the profile of a chimpanzee's face?  and why does the AL avatar look like the torso of Spongebob without the pants?
34  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which films coming out later this year are you most looking forward to? on: August 23, 2014, 09:47:39 pm
The Boxtrolls
35  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: 2014 Selfie Creepfest/Post a picture of yourself thread on: August 23, 2014, 09:27:54 pm


What is this?  Large trees sprout from your back?  I'm jealous.
36  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Will the events in Ferguson... on: August 23, 2014, 12:22:55 am
Why so much pessimism?   
37  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Are you watching the 12-day Simpsons marathon on FXX? on: August 22, 2014, 11:52:00 pm
I'm watching some of it.  Yeah, I'd forgotten how good it could be too.  Brings back some good memories.  I'd probably be watching more if BBC America wasn't showing Doctor Who most of the time right now also.

I do have to wonder what the valiant Hellenes of old would be thinking of our use of the term "marathon."
38  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of PBS on: August 22, 2014, 11:46:08 pm
The programming is often excellent, and most weeks I watch it more than any other channel.  We are lucky here to have signals from two stations - WHRO in Hampton Roads and the UNC network. I'd rather put up with occasional membership drives than either more regular commercial interruptions or increased reliance on government funding. 

Bandit is right about Sesame Street though.  They have a couple decent shows but the children's programming isn't what it was in the glory days.   (RIP Mr Rogers Sad)
39  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Scott Walker still run in 2016 if he loses in 2014? on: August 22, 2014, 11:31:28 pm
It would slow Walker down, so it's hard to see him running.
40  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club on: August 22, 2014, 11:21:08 pm
I can see the appeal of wanting a protective force that better serves and reflects the interest of the local (minority) community than the standard police force, but how does this work?  What happens if there is an actual conflict?  Are people really going to feel safer and freer seeing these people carrying their guns around?  I don't think I normally would, but then I'm in a very different situation then most of the people there.   
At least they are supporting local businesses.  That's always good to see when we've seen so many minority-business-destroying looters posing as protestors.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: St Louis police murder scandal (PLUS: riots, idiotic press conferences, etc.) on: August 22, 2014, 11:08:11 pm
The polling is surprisingly less bad than you'd think on this story.  It's kind of sad that "less bad than you'd think" means "white people claim to not know whether gunning an unarmed man down is a bad thing", but, well, there you have it: we're at least not generally saying that the victim deserved it like we do in a lot of these cases.

The opinion on whether race relations are generally good or bad are surprisingly close in that poll between blacks and whites.
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which atheist do you have a more positive opinion of? on: August 22, 2014, 10:47:37 pm
In Hitchens' defense, I've never quite understood why the Western Left gives Islamism a pass that it isn't willing to give to fundamentalist Christianity, when the former results in terrorism and international wars killing tens of thousands, while the latter has at worst been responsible for stricter abortion laws and aided and abetted right-wing economics. On the face of it, even mainstream "moderate" Islam ought to be utterly abhorrent to anyone who considers themselves a good liberal, but none will offer even a mild critique of it for fear of seeming uncultured and insufficiently cosmopolitan.

much of the ideological basis for the US-led invasion of Iraq was Dominionist-Christian, and said invasion was the greatest single act of terror unleashed upon the world since Vietnam/Indochina.

If by Dominionists you mean Christian Reconstructionists, they were generally very opposed to the War in Iraq.
43  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: "Death to the Jews"... on: August 22, 2014, 10:34:57 pm
How does a place name just go unnoticed for centuries?     Do the inhabitants call it something else?
44  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Good Post Gallery II on: August 22, 2014, 10:18:55 pm
No. Honestly I wish we had less "insight", and instead could let the dead RIP and wait for a formal investigation to determine if the officer in question should be charged with a crime and if so, wait again for a jury to decide to convict him or not.

While I agree with you regarding opebo and his one-note "insight"... good God, do you really so blindly trust the authorities here so much that you'd take a "formal investigation" (ran by many of the same people that got Ferguson into this mess) to produce any sort of transparency or justice?  Especially without the klieg lights of outrage and scrutiny that you seem to be scorning?

A formal investigate should be conducted, thought certainly not by anyone from Ferguson. This sort of situation is far too emotionally charged to expect anyone remotely connected to treat it fairly.

As for the trust in authority, do I trust the government? Not really. But I do trust it more than I trust the band of internet outragemongers who want to be the judge, the jury, and the executioner all in one fell swoop, hang him now and ask questions later, or the analogous rightwingers who'd reflexively give the cop a medal because they saw some picture of Michael Brown making gang sign hand gestures. The latter may not exist on the Atlas Forum but they are out there too.

In any case, I wasn't there. I don't know what happened in Michael Brown's death and neither do the other people all over the internet endlessly typing about it. We may never really know. Now maybe opebo was there and witnessed the whole thing and the Atlas Forum would be the lone source of news to disseminate the truth if he were able to post. But I doubt it. As for the rest of the "insights" they tend to almost exclusively be op-eds from folks who want to chime in show how this story simply confirms whatever their opinion about crime and racism is no matter what actually happened. Maybe their larger narrative is even right. But people don't fit neatly into boxes that way and neither do individual crime cases. This story has become emotionally charged for far too many people for "insights" to actually be objective for the most part. Anyway that's kind of rambling but I think you get the idea.
45  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Forum racists on: August 22, 2014, 08:21:11 pm
In light of recent events, it might be time to start compiling a list of racists who frequent this forum.

It might be time, but it isn't.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Same sex marriage ban overturned in Florida on: August 22, 2014, 08:08:29 pm
They're states that still have those?

death certificates?
47  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of K Foundation burn a million quid on: August 22, 2014, 07:28:02 pm
Stupid and pointless idea. Given how many needy people there are out there its unethical to destroy money. If you dont need or want them yourself, you should use them to help others.

By burning their own money, aren't they making other people's money more valuable?
48  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: August 22, 2014, 05:50:12 pm
You have a habit of reading what you want to read into things rather than addressing the actual content of my post. Nowhere did I say that 'white people can have opinions about black people as long as they agree with me,' I said that white people shouldn't condemn black people organizing for their own self-defense or liberation in their own organizations and adopting tactics that they, as an oppressed people, feel are the right ones.

Understanding black poverty in America is not the same as understanding the social relations that make black poverty (and white poverty, Latino poverty, etc) a reality. I can 'understand' the plot details of a book or a movie from a wikipedia article without actually having read it, studied it, looked into it, researched it, lived it, etc. without actually having a real feel of why the book was written or produced, what factors contributed to it being written or produced, and how it was written or produced.


Let me guess, is the book Das Kapital?
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Family values Republican state rep. arrested for raping his wife on: August 20, 2014, 11:34:33 pm
I really hate to say this, but is there any evidence that the late wife would not have wanted sex with her husband?  I know young people tend to think us olds have no interest in woohooing or worse, that it is disgusting if we woohoo, but that is a form of ageism.  Certainly, nursing homes would rather not have to deal with people in their care engaging in woohoo, as it creates difficulty for them, so certainly are biased against the practice.  However, if we are going to be so hyper protective as a society as to make it the default that old people can reach the point that they won't be allowed to woohoo with those they were woohooing with, then we should be able to have documents similar to a living will detailing who we want to be able to woohoo with once we are legally unable to give consent.

There is no grey area here, if a person is not mentally capable of consent, there is no debate to be had.

Then you're condemning that person to being cut off from what for most people is a significant part of their life.  You're condemning them to being a living corpse unable to fully partake of life's pleasures.  Frankly, if as a society we decide to condemn them to involuntary celibacy in such circumstances, then I would consider such a status a valid reason to allow the person to have decided ahead of time that if they ever do permanently reach such a state, they'd rather be euthanized.

If you have advanced Alzheimer's or some other state of severe mental impairment, you basically are a living corpse. Sorry, but when you can no longer reason or communicate with others, you have ceased being human and started simply being a hunk of flesh that happens to be able to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide. The person you were before - the person your spouse married - is gone.

There would be more dignity and humanity in that guy just going and having sex with a prostitute than using his wife like some piece of meat to satisfy his own carnal needs.

If the person is just a hunk of meat as you claim, and no longer human, what would be the problem with treating them as such?   
If you truly love someone, you love that person's whole being, not just their mental and communicative ability.  You recognize what they've lost doesn't erase their humanity. 

The pertinent question here is whether the person had the ability to consent. The judge said no. The husband disagreed. I don't know nor how anyone here would know exactly what the mental state of the wife was or whether there was any hint of consent.  Consent is a tricky enough thing to define, and it doesn't do any good to pretend it isn't. Even stipulating that one shouldn't engage in sex unless the consent isn't crystal clear, there are different levels of infringement upon consent.   But if we can't even agree that the person has their own individual existence, what is the point of even talking about consent?   
50  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: August 20, 2014, 11:03:52 pm
Tweed is a literal sociopath, who, if we lived in a decent society, would probably be in jail right now.

Our prison population is decent enough without the wholesale prosecution of thought crimes.
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