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26  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Al Realpolitik Institute of Sulfur Mining & Extraction on: July 23, 2016, 03:08:36 pm
No, she'll lose against TRUMP.

You seem to have an ancestral preference for national socialists. Like grandfather, like grandson.

This is possibly the most racist thing I have ever seen on Atlas.

Bullying the German as a Nazi? Even I recognize the immense stupidity, stereotyping, and bullying two twenty/thirty-somethings appear to be engaging in here. If you're looking for an example of young racism, this is the perfect example. Not the German "OBVIOUS NAZI" Trump supporter.

as a german, kindly f[inks] off

what are you going to do if he doesn't?   invade?
27  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / graph of the post-GOP convention bounce on: July 23, 2016, 02:53:36 am

http://ivn.us/2016/07/22/searches-for-3rd-party-candidate-skyrocket/

28  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How masculine/feminine do you rate yourself? on: July 23, 2016, 02:25:11 am
In regards to gender roles, people on both sides take very absurd stances. My favoured point of comparison is height. Imagine overhearing an argument between two people about the effect of gender one height. One person argues that gender has no effect on height, and any supposed difference in the average height of genders is down to upbringing. The other person disagrees and says, no, actually every single woman is smaller than men. All persons who do not conform to the normal heights of their danger are subversive abherations. And they will argue into the night. It's the same for many emotional attributes. There is a difference in the "average" (insofar as such qualities can be assigned numerical values) aggressiveness (etc) of genders, but these bell curves are wide and overlapping. So I do disagree with ssuperflash's hypothetical. Dropping one boy and one girl into the woods wouldn't really show anything, but dropping 500 boys and 500 girls into the woods might be more revealing.

The other rot people bring up is forgetting that natural selection is an explanation, not an excuse. Human civilisation has been a grand experiment in ignoring natural selection, so I see no reason to say "well evolution says x, so we must follow call of nature!"* especially in the pseudoscientific justification of a lot of treasured "old" gender roles came into place hilariously recently, especially for working-class women.

*The reality of Paleolithic life may be far more egalitarian than we might think.



I think it is generally more a matter of culture channeling and forming the raw material of biological tendencies than flat out ignoring it.  Ignoring these things isn't sustainable, because these tendencies will crop up, and without the sort of culture or ethic that can direct and support them in productive ways they can turn destructive. For example, developing and constraining the fight instinct into a protective stance rather than a self-seeking aggressive one.  On the other hand, culture can also make these tendencies much more destructive then they might be otherwise. Ultimately we can escape neither culture nor our biology, and these things cannot escape each other, but there is a lot of room for how we configure this interaction.
29  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Banda district Ghana didn't experience food insecurity until Colonialism on: July 23, 2016, 12:48:14 am
Not surprising in the slightest. Famine in Africa is generally a product of global food markets, not the local agriculture.

And other disruptions such as war. 

Basically, anything that causes the normal things that people rely on to get through times of poor agricultural conditions to break down.  In this case, it seems, colonial policy prevented them from trading their goods with other regions for food, as they had done traditionally.
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Four myths in the GOP Platform on: July 22, 2016, 11:54:26 am
ACA affected a lot more than the individual insurance market.  Look at the push to consolidate hospitals for instance, or change other healthcare practice in other ways. 

Debt doubling is pretty much true, if you look at $ amounts, the article admitted as much. Annual deficits have gone down, but that is after a huge increase at the beginning. Longterm deficits are still a major problem. 

I'm not really interested in reading any further after the misrepresentation over the first 2 points.  Obviously the RNC platform is an exercise in political polemics, and so is this article.
31  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How masculine/feminine do you rate yourself? on: July 22, 2016, 10:54:43 am
according to social stereotypes of masculinity: 2
according to my own understanding of healthy masculinity: 1
32  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Knife held to your throat... on: July 22, 2016, 02:11:45 am
depends on who's holding the knife.

Your ex-wife.

goodness, I didn't realize I had a wife, much less an ex-wife!  what happened last night?!
33  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Does JCL have the lowest self awareness of any Forum member? on: July 22, 2016, 02:00:55 am
The best thing is because he has self-defined as anti-establishment for so long, he cannot comprehend the fact that he and the establishment are on the same side when I comes to Trump

In the Trump GOP, much of the 'establishment' is now anti-establishment.
34  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Social Conservative, Fiscally Liberal Peeps. on: July 22, 2016, 12:29:58 am
socially feudalist, fiscally communist.
35  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you support National ID cards? on: July 22, 2016, 12:18:28 am
No.  In what possible way is that consistent with human freedom?  You shouldn't need an ID except for a particular purpose like if you want to drive.
I don't understand how it takes away any freedoms.  Especially if it is just your driver's license, standardized across all the states.  Perhaps it doesn't bother me because I've been carrying a Fed Govt ID card since 1994 and I don't recall it ever taking away any of my freedoms.  I could not get behind forcing them on people that don't want them, but I'm not really seeing the issue, especially if you're already "in the system" with a SS number, drive a car, travel, purchase things with plastic, live a modern life.

If you aren't required to have one, what's the point?  The whole idea is so the government can know who you are and easily keep track of you, isn't it? 

The government has enough ammunition to use against people it finds bothersome, I don't see the need to give it any more.
36  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: July 21, 2016, 11:50:24 pm
I'd be offended by the idea of a break room TV. Seriously, must we have boob tubes shoved down our faces in all public places? It was just marginally acceptable in the era before people could use their own personal electronics to feed their video addictions. Fight Big Brother, eliminate telescreens from our public places!
37  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Excited to say I will be protesting the RNC! on: July 21, 2016, 11:45:07 pm
did you survive unscathed?
38  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The last movie you've seen thread 2016 on: July 21, 2016, 01:54:05 am
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn

great old film, very beautifully done, about a little girl and the struggles of her family.  Elia Kazan's first feature.
39  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: July 21, 2016, 01:05:42 am
Good Lord.  In before Classic Conservative defends this piece of garbage.  If I lived in his district, I'd vote Democrat for the first time in my life in a major election.

Forget my shame he's in my party, he's a disgrace to Americans.
Let me know when you stop being a RINO and come home to the Democratic party where you belong?  Your GOP membership status is literally rino at this point.

LOL, GMAFB.  Every time Torie, Shadow or Walter Mitty posts one of their economic views, someone posts an "R-NY/FL/MA" avatar.  Centrists have a comically small amount of power in both parties.  Hillary Clinton is a standard liberal; if you want to see how centrists - or more importantly someone with even more liberal views than I have - gain traction in the Democratic Party, look how Chafee and Webb fared.

I'd go so far as to say there are more elected *moderate* Republicans (especially governors) than *moderate* Democrats.

Atlas is a strange place, where they want all moderate Democrats to become Republicans, and all moderate Republicans to become Democrats.
40  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Woman tries to buy birthday cake for her wife... on: July 21, 2016, 12:28:02 am
Is this the only place to buy a cake?  And they don't like gay people?  Seems like a perfect business opportunity for someone that isn't a bigot.

If there are only a few gay people in town, it doesn't sound like a "perfect business opportunity" unless you want to charge extortionate prices of gay customers banned from the other bakery. This baker can successfully discriminate without suffering much in the way of consequences.

Except for retaliation by activists.
Their yelp page is now a bunch of unbelievably awful supposed reviews by people who live hundreds of miles away.

Hmm, if any of those reviews are inauthentic the owner can work with Yelp to have them removed. I know some people think that freedom to discriminate should mean freedom to discriminate without any negative consequences; fortunately this is a pretty minor inconvenience compared to what the baker was dishing out, we can agree.

If I were a business owner I think having a one-star Yelp rating and losing business because people are spreading rumors that your cakes are moldly might qualify as at least as big an inconvenience.   But at least I haven't heard anything about them receiving arson threats like in the Pizza Memories case. 
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Woman tries to buy birthday cake for her wife... on: July 20, 2016, 02:42:58 pm
Is this the only place to buy a cake?  And they don't like gay people?  Seems like a perfect business opportunity for someone that isn't a bigot.

If there are only a few gay people in town, it doesn't sound like a "perfect business opportunity" unless you want to charge extortionate prices of gay customers banned from the other bakery. This baker can successfully discriminate without suffering much in the way of consequences.

Except for retaliation by activists.
Their yelp page is now a bunch of unbelievably awful supposed reviews by people who live hundreds of miles away.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/take-the-cake-bakery-and-cake-design-shop-toledo
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you support National ID cards? on: July 20, 2016, 02:29:04 pm
No.  In what possible way is that consistent with human freedom?  You shouldn't need an ID except for a particular purpose like if you want to drive.
43  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton: Joining A Gang Is Like Having A Family on: July 20, 2016, 03:09:08 am
This thread is like arguing that it's wrong to say heroin feels good, because feeling good has a positive connotation.

It's a line of thinking that is basically the definition of political correctness.
44  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Knife held to your throat... on: July 20, 2016, 02:58:06 am
depends on who's holding the knife.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Conservative Christian pastor would vote for Trump over Jesus on: July 20, 2016, 02:17:33 am
no more than a few percent of Americans actually want a government literally based on the Sermon on the Mount, if they are honest with themselves.  because that's basically anarchistic pacifism.

but if you are a Christian you should not be endorsing the exact opposite principle. you want to try to think about how you can best apply the principles of humility and forgiveness while still protecting the innocent.

If this election has taught me anything, it's that the people in the Republican Party who call themselves "Christian" basically just use the term as a justification to hate anyone who isn't white, straight, rich and Republican.

Would a "real" Christian not be bothered by Trump's multiple marriages and history of lying and deceiving people with things like Trump University?

there's this thing called cognitive dissonance.  it can be quite powerful.  if this election season has taught me anything, it's that.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Woman tries to buy birthday cake for her wife... on: July 20, 2016, 01:33:10 am
If the baker already agreed to do it, and then changed her mind because she found out the person was gay, that would fall under breach of contract wouldn't it?

I don't think there's much if any of a religious liberty case for this like there is for a same sex wedding.  But I still can't relate to the concept that someone would be in desperate need of a birthday cake from a store to the extent that you could force someone to bake it for you, absent some agreement they had made to do it.  It's a stretch to consider this type of service a public accomodation, which originally applied to things like hotels and meals that someone would need either for survival or for travel.
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Conservative Christian pastor would vote for Trump over Jesus on: July 20, 2016, 01:19:02 am
no more than a few percent of Americans actually want a government literally based on the Sermon on the Mount, if they are honest with themselves.  because that's basically anarchistic pacifism.

but if you are a Christian you should not be endorsing the exact opposite principle. you want to try to think about how you can best apply the principles of humility and forgiveness while still protecting the innocent.
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congressman: only WHITE people have ever contributed to civilization on: July 20, 2016, 01:13:10 am
Ugh people need to actually learn theories of history- not just their High School History. People need to read Andre Frank, and understand that Asia ( as others have said on here, especially China) contributed to society. Get rid of your historical lenses people

It would be helpful if more theoreticians of history wrote for the general public and not just other academic historians.
49  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Fethullah Gulen vs Recep Erdogan on: July 15, 2016, 10:55:24 pm
I honestly prefer Erdogan.

Why?
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A year ago today, did you expect the GOP nominee to be Trump? on: July 15, 2016, 10:49:45 pm
No, I can only brag that I didn't think either Walker or Bush were likely to be nominated either.
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