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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 11:32:46 pm
What's really idiotic is that doing this is likely to end up costing the government as a whole more money. Of course, those added costs will end up being paid mainly by State and local governments, so it might save the Federal government a little money.

But the states will be the ones deciding whether or not to require mental health coverage, correct?
i don't think so. but either way this is horrendous.

My point is that if states could be convinced that mental health coverage is a cost-saving measure for them, then they could still keep coverage.  That isn't to say that they will be easy to convince.

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For Medicaid, AHCA removes the essential health benefit categories for the expansion population, allowing states to create plans that cover fewer services, Kevin Malone, associate with Epstein Becker Green, tells Behavioral Healthcare Executive. In theory, states could choose to stop covering behavioral health for about 14 million Medicaid expansion enrollees.
http://www.behavioral.net/article/policy/behavioral-health-benefits-shift-gop-plan
27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 06:20:12 pm
What's really idiotic is that doing this is likely to end up costing the government as a whole more money. Of course, those added costs will end up being paid mainly by State and local governments, so it might save the Federal government a little money.

But the states will be the ones deciding whether or not to require mental health coverage, correct?
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Texas Senate Passes Bill Allowing OBs To Keep Info From Pregnant Women on: March 21, 2017, 03:17:24 pm
https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB25/id/1548615

Good. Wrongful birth is a disgusting concept that completely negates the value of those with disabilities or imperfections of one kind or another.  If someone wants to sue on another basis for information improperly withheld, they still can.
29  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who should be added to Mt. Rushmore? on: March 21, 2017, 03:03:29 pm
"No one" only has 3 votes?  You people are sick.
30  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tomi Lahren on: March 20, 2017, 05:34:40 pm
I can't help but feel embarrassed for her.  She gets some vile hate but the positive attention itself feels unseemly, like some combination of patronizing indulgence and exploitation.
31  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Budget Blueprint to Make America Great Again on: March 18, 2017, 11:07:09 pm
It cuts a lot of important programs along with cuts to programs of more questionable usefulness, but the criticism of it have tended toward the absurd, like focusing on the 3% less going to Meals on Wheels as a result of getting rid of a grant distribution program.
32  General Discussion / History / Re: What happened to the West Virginia legislature in 1910? on: March 13, 2017, 12:43:52 am
Infighting left the party in a dysfunctional state in 1910, especially since party boss Sen. Stephen Elkins was in declining health. The tie in the state Senate as a result of that election resulted in a compromise that gave Democrats the appointment of the state's US senators that year, while otherwise leaving control of the WV Senate to the Republicans.  The US House delegation went from 0 to 4 out of 5 Democrat.
33  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Post your ideology on: March 12, 2017, 09:23:45 pm
Libertarian socialism; small-"c" conservatism; deep ecology; archeofuturism.

I tried looking this up and got very confused.
34  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone V: Born Under A Bad Sign on: March 12, 2017, 01:49:12 pm
First motorbike drive this year Smiley Of course I had to first put it together, which was annoying, but I feel great Smiley

was it an IKEA?
35  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Disgraced mods on: March 12, 2017, 01:41:01 pm
Kal, for this thread.
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is the Republican health plan designed to fail? on: March 12, 2017, 03:00:13 am
They've just made too many promises. They've made it their goal to have something that provides everything Obamacare does but better, while cutting the revenue it relies on.  So they're having trouble.
37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Comprehensive Marist Poll on Abortion on: March 12, 2017, 01:45:27 am
Good find, lots in here.

Even though "pro-choice" outnumbers "pro-life," strong support is evenly matched.  Over a quarter of those polled can identify as either at different times or are unsure how they would describe themselves.

"pro-life": 42%.  "strongly" (.42 x .61) = 25%  "somewhat" (.42 x .17) = 7%  "sometimes think of self as pro-choice" (.42 x .22) = 9%

"pro-choice": 52%. "strongly" (.52 x .52) =  27% "somewhat" (.52 x .23) = 11% "sometimes think of self as pro-life" (.52 x .24) = 12%

"unsure": 6%

So an abortion ban except in cases of rape, incest, and when a mother's life is threatened seems to be the median position in this country.

correct...just not the majority position.

Support for abortion being legal only under these conditions, or or only to save the mother, or never, add up to half. 
38  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congress preparing bill to legalize genetic/health discrimination on: March 12, 2017, 01:05:06 am
It's not eugenics, though it does involve an obsession with a "healthy workforce."  It wouldn't legalize health discrimination - though it very well could facilitate it.

The proposal seems to be on the theory is that having access to genetic and health information would make these "Wellness programs" companies conduct more effective and personalized to the health needs of the individual employee.  And they're right in a sense.   If a company is saying "You have to do these wellness activities to get health insurance from us" then it could be counterproductive, or even unfair, based on that person's particular health needs, to expect them to follow a program that isn't tailored to them.  But if a company needs this information to conduct these programs properly, that just shows how extremely intrusive and controlling they are in the first place. 
39  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: German Federal Election 2017 on: March 10, 2017, 03:25:04 am
any new-rightie culturalist supporting the AfD should be wary of the strong, austrian-like, "old-school-racist-right" elements in the east.

austrian-like?
You have something against austrians? Tongue
40  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1860: Abraham Lincoln vs. Horatio Seymour vs. John Bell on: March 10, 2017, 02:36:58 am


Horatio Seymour (D-NY) / Joseph Lane (D-OR)      44%   71
Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) / Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME)  40% 169
John Bell (CU-TN) / Edward Everett (CU-MA)         16%   63

Seymour record as governor isn't good enough to keep the Republican message from winning the day in New York. Thanks to Lincoln taking a majority in almost every Northern state, the Republicans take the Electoral College in spite of losing the popular vote to the Democrats, who contest with the Bell in the South and Lincoln in the North.
41  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: German Federal Election 2017 on: March 09, 2017, 06:08:30 pm
LKR most likely.
42  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 08, 2017, 10:42:02 pm
Being obtuse is Shua's main schtick.

Perhaps I have too much faith in the willingness of people to examine their assumptions.

And maybe someone would if you seemed more motivated by curiosity and less by outrage and misguided pedantry.

So this is why you accused me of saying something and then started belittling me when I tried to engage with you to clear it up? The distinction between what I said and what I didn't is "pedantry"?

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A frequent thread in slave and prison narratives is that living in an atmosphere of total control with limited agency tends to narrow a person's moral circle, shorten their time horizon, and forces them approach life "one day at a time." This is not an assumption; it is a claim grounded in the experience of Douglass, Kuznetsov, Solzhenitsyn, and countless others.

There can be that tendency. But it wasn't ultimately able to erase the possibility of building strong emotional attachments, developing a hope-sustaining religion, long-term thought in the planting and growing of food for their families, creative expressions in music and art, and symbolically meaningful funerary practices. The hope for freedom and finding resiliency in systems of meaning are also common threads in slave and prison narratives.
43  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who would be a better moderator? on: March 08, 2017, 02:09:15 am
both are probably the same person.
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 08, 2017, 01:33:58 am
Being obtuse is Shua's main schtick.

Perhaps I have too much faith in the willingness of people to examine their assumptions.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 08, 2017, 12:52:02 am


Good grief.

You want to defend the idea that's been presented that it's wrong to say slaves had dreams for their children, just do it.
I'm eager to have a discussion about this that is grounded in history and not cynical memes.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 08, 2017, 12:03:05 am
A lot of words and indignation to waste over a wacky and thoughtless Ben Carson comment, but the "no, actually you're being offensive by not calling them immigrants" bit is one of the most tendentious arguments that I've ever read on this forum.

No one was arguing that. 

Maybe the offensive thing is the idea that slaves were human beings who had hopes and dreams for their children and grandchildren?

Oh right, I forgot that slaves have no human agency or ability to hope for their children to have a better life than them even in the worst of circumstances. Silly me!

It is outrageous.  African American slaves built up an entire culture around hope and resilience in the face of oppression and adversity. It is insulting to their memory to deny them this.

Is this some kind of post-modernist thing or are you just being obtuse?

None of that was in response to not using the word "immigrant."
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Atlas Name for New Healthcare Bill? on: March 08, 2017, 12:01:38 am
Trumpcaid 0.4
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 07, 2017, 11:35:21 pm
Are "immigrants" only those who decide of their own volition to move somewhere because they think it would be neat?

Yes. The definition of immigration is that it's voluntary.

Then please provide a word that means the same thing without the distinction of it being voluntary.

Enslaved? Trafficked? Sold?

Nope. None of those mean "person from one country now residing or in transit to another country."
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 07, 2017, 11:29:18 pm
Are "immigrants" only those who decide of their own volition to move somewhere because they think it would be neat?

Yes. The definition of immigration is that it's voluntary.

Then please provide a word that means the same thing as "immigrant" without the distinction of it being voluntary.


A lot of words and indignation to waste over a wacky and thoughtless Ben Carson comment, but the "no, actually you're being offensive by not calling them immigrants" bit is one of the most tendentious arguments that I've ever read on this forum.

No one was arguing that. 
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dems now demonize the same policies Obama once championed on: March 07, 2017, 11:20:50 pm
For the last time, one can support détente with Russia without supporting fondling Putin's you-know-whats when he orders that crimes be committed on U.S. soil. Those two things are not the same policy.

The point is Democrats are not supporting Obama-style detente.

Russia is behaving considerably worse than they did for most of Obama's presidency.

Worse than 2014?
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