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26  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: There's only one candidate that can save the Republican Party... on: October 15, 2014, 01:05:24 am
A former Speaker of the House responding to facebook comments? Wow.

At one point he was really into Second Life, convinced it would be the future of political engagement.
27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Defense of Obama on: October 15, 2014, 12:53:33 am
There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.

There is so much dumb there that I am not sure where to start. First of all, non-white people in Louisiana and Mississippi do not vote Republican. Can we at least agree on that? Like, seriously, we need to agree on that or just commit suicide because there would be no point to living otherwise.

Ok, now that we have gotten beyond the deep south (hopefully), we can start discussing Hispanic voting patterns. Rove figured out in 2004 how to get middle class Hispanics to vote for the Republican party. Subsequently, the Republican party went on a mission to figure out how to repel such votes. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand contemporary American politics. You may want to apologize for the Republican party due to your own personal biases, but you need to understand that going nativist repels Hispanic and Asian votes, even if those individuals own their own businesses making more than $500,000 a year. It is more important to an individual that their success be celebrated and appreciated than them having to pay 3% more in taxes. Does that make sense to you? I know you are not a racist, and you may have a hard time understanding this, but many of your Republican friends and family are. That is why minorities, especially those who are doing well economically, don't vote for you guys.

At this point you may be pissed, protesting vehemently that the Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. That is not how things are perceived though, and perception is reality. I will admit that some Republicans have gotten smart about this, but it remains to be seen how successful this is. The Republicans need to push a message of prosperity regardless of race, ethnicity, religion etc. If they are successful at this, they will be successful in the near future. If they are not, then they won't be, as well off minorities vote Democrat because the alternative is a hostile Republican party.

When are Republicans going to be able to spread that message? Do they even care enough to spread that message? Are the Republicans interested in being the party of white people or well off Americans? That is a question the Republicans themselves need to answer. Are they content with being a fascist party or do they want to maintain themselves as a conservative party? That is something for the Republican party to decide for themselves.

I agree with a good portion of what you said, and it's part of why I'm not enthusiastic about the GOP even if I think a lot of the criticism of them on this board goes off the deep end. But I don't see what that has to do with the post you just said was dumb. Seems like you are responding to something else.  Do you really think that King's explanation of why minorities vote Democrat is accurate?  (From what you just posted it seems like you think it is something else) How does it account for the vote of Hispanics in rural West Texas or the vote of rural blacks in Mississippi to say that minorities vote Democrat because they appreciate urban public services?

(The Republican members of my family are no more racist than I am, btw. Maybe a bit less PC unintentionally sometimes. I'm guessing that was just a throw away phrase but that's kind of a silly thing for you to say.)
28  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The t_host1 Institute of Comedy on: October 14, 2014, 09:55:59 pm
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Defense of Obama on: October 14, 2014, 09:45:02 pm
There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.
30  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Democratic-Republican Party Convention, October 2014 on: October 14, 2014, 08:50:59 pm
are the endorsement votes 48 hours or 72 hours?  I can't remember.
31  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Shut down the EPA? on: October 14, 2014, 08:39:47 pm
It has no legislative or judicial capacity, only executive, and to my knowledge, it has not erred.  For example, we have all been the beneficiaries to the Clean Water Act, and its amendments and extensions. 

Doesn't it basically have legislative capacity though?  It makes decisions on what items can't be sold or manufactured.  Regulating commerce is a legislative function, not an executive.

Not really.  Whatever power the EPA has comes from statutes passed by Congress.

Those statutes give functionally legislative power to the EPA.  Congress is saying "Here, make some laws."


That's kind of a stretch.  The Supreme Court doesn't agree for one thing.  But, the bigger point is that we can't create all these minute regulations through Congress.  That's just a recipe for having the Federal government of 1910.  You probably think that would be a good idea, but your problem isn't with the EPA, but with the modern administrative state.

True, it pretty much is, but I don't see why the EPA can't make recommendations and then Congress can act on them. Plus a lot of the regulations are hardly minute. Requiring each state to meet a carbon emissions target, for just the most glaring example, is equivalent to directing both state and national energy policy.  How is that not the purview of our elected representatives?
32  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The t_host1 Institute of Comedy on: October 14, 2014, 05:53:14 pm
SWE that post not only wasn't at all funny, it had a picture contained in it of people who had been murdered.  It doesn't belong in this thread.
33  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Brazilian joke candidates on: October 14, 2014, 01:29:19 pm
joke parties deserve joke candidates.
34  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Evo Morales on: October 14, 2014, 11:48:35 am
Much better than the likes of Maduro, the late Chavez, and even (as far as I can tell) Correa, and he's seeking to address some real grievances, but I can't at all say I'm a fan.
35  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Limiting Abortion... on: October 14, 2014, 11:19:49 am
What could have possibly compelled you to make this thread?

I don't believe he is actually suggesting that abortion policy should be driven by political demography. This is a forum on political demography so wondering what the effects of policy on it is an okay thing to wonder about (though as I indicated, any effects in this case are questionable). 

Would it be wrong to ask whether policy toward immigration reform would be a demographic plus or minus for a certain party?
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which states qualify as culturally Southern? on: October 14, 2014, 11:08:28 am
makes a lot of sense, Muon.

Are there any parts of KY that would not be Southern? Maybe the area right outside of Cincinnati?
37  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1884 Presidential Election on: October 14, 2014, 10:43:01 am
Quote from: Ben Butler
For, sir, I am not for this generation paying all this debt. I think we had done our share when we contracted it. [Laughter.] We ought to leave it to our children to do theirs by paying it.
link

I guess I see his point but ... wow
38  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Larry Pressler says the darnedest things Thread on: October 14, 2014, 10:29:18 am
Quote
"I have lived in D.C. since 1971, longer than anyone else who's running,'' Pressler, a senator from 1979 to 1997 and a congressman before that, said in 1998 to explain why he was toying with running for mayor.
39  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The "This is funny now that we know what happened" Time Machine on: October 14, 2014, 01:03:49 am
Oh, and also read this thread:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=40693.50

While he's not someone on the left, it's hard to imagine Inks posting stuff like that today.  E.g.,


A discussion between some classic posters there. I'm impressed with the generally restrained and patient manner in which people were responding to Inks given some of the things he was saying.
40  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Harry Reid vs Mitch McConnell on: October 14, 2014, 12:10:21 am


Mitch McConnell/John Boehner 306
- Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi 232
41  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: A Negative War on Poverty Act on: October 13, 2014, 11:27:57 pm
Yes, it looks like that would work.

Of course if you wanted to go for a more generous benefit you could do this all with one formula:  (.058)(Taxable Income - $25000)
42  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Limiting Abortion... on: October 13, 2014, 11:10:35 pm
The availability of abortion changes behavior and social relations in a way that is hard to measure. If you look at fertility rates in the US, they were dropping quite a lot during the 1960s and 70s. It's easy to see that the pill likely had a lot to do with that, plus more women working outside the home. But then, after Roe v Wade the fertility rate didn't start decreasing even more, it actually coincided roughly with plateau at about 2 per woman where it's been (more or less) ever since.

A population increase, at least in the short term, is a likely possibility from limiting abortion but you can't count on it.
43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Defense of Obama on: October 13, 2014, 10:46:39 pm
And, at least on the basic macro-economic questions, love or hate him, Paul Krugman was proven right in the past 5 or 6 years.
Such as?

-The economic stimulus worked and probably should have been even bigger and heavier on spending as opposed to tax cuts.
-QE didn't lead to a giant economic collapse or runaway inflation
-Obamacare has worked better than expected.

I'm surprised Krugman supports QE given his criticism of "trickle down economics."
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Shut down the EPA? on: October 13, 2014, 10:26:27 pm
It has no legislative or judicial capacity, only executive, and to my knowledge, it has not erred.  For example, we have all been the beneficiaries to the Clean Water Act, and its amendments and extensions. 

Doesn't it basically have legislative capacity though?  It makes decisions on what items can't be sold or manufactured.  Regulating commerce is a legislative function, not an executive.

Not really.  Whatever power the EPA has comes from statutes passed by Congress.

Those statutes give functionally legislative power to the EPA.  Congress is saying "Here, make some laws."


The EPA is not abusing its power unless you don't believe in what science defines as pollution.

What is the scientifically derived definition of pollution and how does it give power to the EPA?
45  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: There's only one candidate that can save the Republican Party... on: October 13, 2014, 10:10:24 pm
All Republicans must share the same opinions as idiots in a Facebook post's comments.

It's an Atlas fact.  This place is turning into SUCH a circle jerk of red avatars.

No, but most don't call them out on their BS. They do what John McCain did when that foaming-at-the-mouth Tea Partier ranted about him being a secret Muslim and he just offered some tepid assurance that Obama was a "decent man." Or they do what Mike Castle did when that foaming-at-the-mouth Tea Partier demanded to know where the birth certificate was and flinched.

Show me video footage of an elected official responding to their uninformed town hall constituents with a, "With all due respect, sir/ma'am, your comments are ill-informed and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about," and that person will have my vote.

McCain said you don't have to be scared of my opponent being elected. How often do you hear that?  He wasn't going to go on the attack against some confused old lady supporter of his, and no politician who had any interest in winning elections would.
46  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: hbpihyb hkihjipppp on: October 13, 2014, 09:46:34 pm
something good on tap tonight, Greens? or is it the smokes?
47  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Democratic-Republican Party Convention, October 2014 on: October 13, 2014, 09:34:09 pm
President
[X]Poirot/shua
[ ]Lumine/SJoyce
[ ]Marokai/Antonio V
[ ]Al/Hashemite
[ ]write-in:
[ ]neutral/no endorsement

Northeast Senate
[ ]bore
[ ]Matt from VT
[ ]write-in:
[X]neutral/no endorsement

Mideast Senate
[ ]Cassius
[X]MadmanMotley
[ ]windjammer
[ ]write-in:
[ ]neutral/no endorsement

Midwest Senate
[ ]Cris
[ ]TNF
[ ]write-in:
[X]neutral/no endorsement

IDS Senate
[X]Yankee
[ ]write-in:
[ ]neutral/no endorsement

Pacific Senate
[ ]Cranberry
[X]write-in: Averroes Nix
[ ]neutral/no endorsement

Northeast Gov
[ ]Sawx
[ ]barnes
[ ]Winfield
[ ]write-in:
[X]neutral/no endorsement

48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Shut down the EPA? on: October 13, 2014, 08:41:09 pm
It has no legislative or judicial capacity, only executive, and to my knowledge, it has not erred.  For example, we have all been the beneficiaries to the Clean Water Act, and its amendments and extensions. 

Doesn't it basically have legislative capacity though?  It makes decisions on what items can't be sold or manufactured.  Regulating commerce is a legislative function, not an executive.
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sore winner Lief, doesn't like jokes, still attacking Romney on: October 13, 2014, 07:55:17 pm
as far as awful Obama jokes go this one is kind of clever.
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: There's only one candidate that can save the Republican Party... on: October 13, 2014, 07:44:13 pm
Odds that this is just an aide?

Very low.  He was holding a Q&A on his facebook page, which is a very Newt Gingrich-ish thing for him to be doing.
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