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26  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Yes, prudery has ran amuck here on: May 22, 2016, 10:19:51 pm
what awful county do you live in x? Sad

hope you get your dog back
27  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you have voted for in the 1884 presidential election on: May 22, 2016, 10:15:41 pm
Romanism, Rum and Rebellion
28  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you support a GST/VAT in America? on: May 22, 2016, 10:10:00 pm
possibly. I don't have a clear idea of how this works on a practical level in terms of infrastructure or ease of use.  But it's an idea worth exploring if it can replace the payroll tax.
29  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you have voted in the 1996 presidential election? on: May 22, 2016, 10:02:37 pm
Dole/Kemp.  Most of Dole's positions then I disagree with were basically held by Clinton also, with the opposite not at all the case.  Probably the easiest general election choice for me in the past several decades.   
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Kaine fatigue real? on: May 22, 2016, 09:54:52 pm
Kaine is an incompetent bore. It's like picking DWS to the actual ticket, which is a terrible decision, but I feel like people on the forum justify Kaine's terrible performance as DNC because he has a penis.

Kaine is a bad pick. Only Inside Ball D.C. People really like him, and that's because I assume he's a nice guy.

I like him.  One of the few Democrat politicians right now who seem interested in the Constitution.
31  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Green Avatars that are massive hacks. on: May 22, 2016, 09:50:04 pm
In theory, I don't mind it at all.  However, it is really annoying in practice.  Landslide is the most obvious example.  Insists on keeping a green avatar while he sits in his mom's basement searching the web for a story about some Republican Dog Catcher who said something outrageous.

I live in my own house, loser.

I think "mom's basement" was referring to the situation of Greece as a whole.

I live in Greece, not Oklahoma.

I thought the analogy was pretty clear.   

Who would be the Mom in Oklahoma's case?
32  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Kaine fatigue real? on: May 22, 2016, 07:52:47 pm
I am not fatigued of Tim Kaine.

However, I am fatigued of VP speculation.
33  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Green Avatars that are massive hacks. on: May 22, 2016, 04:28:11 pm
In theory, I don't mind it at all.  However, it is really annoying in practice.  Landslide is the most obvious example.  Insists on keeping a green avatar while he sits in his mom's basement searching the web for a story about some Republican Dog Catcher who said something outrageous.

I live in my own house, loser.

I think "mom's basement" was referring to the situation of Greece as a whole.
34  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Girl, 5, suspended for a bringing a "gun" to school on: May 22, 2016, 01:12:15 pm
Perhaps if the girl was Muslim this would be a bigger story?

If the girl was Muslim I'd suspect that the exact same crowd outraged by this story would agree with the school's decision to suspend her.

lolno

and why shouldn't someone be "worked up" over institutions whose job it is to educate our children being run by people who are acting like stupids?
35  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Non-Trump supporters, would be you fine with Trump as Prez as long as.... on: May 22, 2016, 12:18:46 pm
Can a blue Congress stop mass deportations and targeting of innocent foreign civilians?

If they really made it a priority, and were fully willing to hold Trump to account, they might be able to.

But if Trump has become President, it means he has the support of a plurality if not majority of voters, which means some Democrats might be scared of going after Trump too harshly if they aren't in safe seats.
36  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could Arkansas be a battleground state? on: May 21, 2016, 07:43:48 pm
With the right running mate, it could become competitive.
Think of Brian Schweitzer, Joe Manchin, Tim Kaine or Brad Henry; they would make Arkansas viable.

Nah, Joe Manchin at the top of the ticket might make it competitive if there was a strong *True Conservative* 3rd party.
37  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Non-Trump supporters, would be you fine with Trump as Prez as long as.... on: May 21, 2016, 03:25:47 am
Perhaps so long as they impeach and remove him immediately at the first sign of something bad and he has a decent vice president.  Are either of those likely?   Probably not.
38  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should life imprisonment without parole be abolished? on: May 20, 2016, 11:56:22 pm
Yes. (Extremely Pro-Life). I believe no one (NO ONE) should be in prison for the rest of their lives, I enjoy the quote from the Norwegian Prison Warden who said "It is not only my job to reform these criminals, it is my duty to my family and my neighbors. We have no death penalty and they will all get out of here, so I must make sure they will never commit their crimes again for not only the betterment of society, but also for myself."

I think our goal has to be complete rehabilitation. I think we get caught up in punishment and that only supports criminals committing crimes more and more if released. When given life sentences they have NOTHING to lose and are much more likely to cause riots, kill other prisoners, etc.

Our current prison system is Mesopotamian/Hammurabian; we must focus on fair treatment or else we become no different than criminals.

I wholeheartedly agree.

This country has been obsessed with punishment for far too long. There is very little focus on true rehabilitation. We just shove our undesirables into cages and forget about them, then when they get released from prison after years of only knowing the mundane, highly-controlled environment of prison, we label them felons, greatly hurting their ability to find places to live and work, and then we blame them for screwing up again.. As if we expected some other result?

Life in prison is cruel and unusual punishment. Why don't we actually try and rehabilitate these people? Treat them fairly in prison while trying everything we can to actually change them and prepare them for life again on the outside. Do we do that? *@(! no. This country is hyper-focused on retribution/revenge against criminals. In what world is sentencing, say, a 25 year old to life in prison better than death? You've sentenced a young adult to live in a violent environment / a cage for the next 50 - 60 years of their life. That is insanely cruel, especially considering how liberal this country is with handing out long/excessive prison sentences.

Honestly, and I don't care how mean this sounds, but I don't really buy it when people tell me they are against the death penalty but fine with life in prison, because execution is cruel and evil or whatever. I think they are against the death penalty to make themselves feel better for any number of reasons, because life (or close to it) in prison is far worse in terms of suffering. Perhaps such people think they are being merciful, but they are not.

The counter to that is that it is possible for people to value and find meaning in their lives even in the midst of suffering.  So there is more suffering involved in life in prison, but the death penalty could be considered a greater, ultimate deprivation.  That suggests of course that we need to make prison a place that while not easy or desirable to go to, a place where people can live out there lives in some meaningful fashion.  I imagine we could design and run prisons in a way that is much more conducive to peace and productivity and personal development.  But that would require a lot of changes, which means a lot of money. And as long as we locking up so many people, we are stuck in a more short-sighted cycle in terms of how we have to fund criminal justice.
39  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump campaign admits it didn't raise $6 million for vets on: May 20, 2016, 11:41:18 pm
the point is, it was a lot of money.
40  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Better names for US political parties on: May 20, 2016, 11:37:21 pm
Lust-Envy-Pride Party
Wrath-Avarice-Gluttony Party

Are you suggesting that both parties are Slothful or that both are Diligent or that both parties seem to be both at all the worst times?

I could see a good argument for either being the Party of Sloth, so I just left it at 3 for each.
41  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Fox News latino poll: Clinton 62, Trump 23 among Hispanics on: May 20, 2016, 03:45:51 pm
Isn't it sad how in American politics, we can determine elections based on numbers from specific racial groups?

I can't think of another country in the world besides s.africa where our political parties are basically homes for specific demographic groups.

As a foreigner that's one of the very strangest things about American politics.

Although Tories did especially well with minorities last year, in the years preceding the pattern could be seen as analogous to the GOP in some ways, with blacks giving low support and other ethnic groups voting generally variously anywhere from 1/3-2/3 of the white rate for the conservative party.
42  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Point blank: Does Trump do better or worse than Romney amongst whites? on: May 20, 2016, 03:18:58 pm
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Worse. More people who voted for Romney abstain or defect than Trump gains from previous non-voters.

Trump is not drawing from non-voters. He's drawing from crossover Dems - who won't be there in the General.

Where are you getting this?
43  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Better names for US political parties on: May 20, 2016, 03:13:32 pm
Lust-Envy-Pride Party
Wrath-Avarice-Gluttony Party
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GMOs Could Help Us Adapt to Human-Induced Climate Change on: May 20, 2016, 01:08:36 am
The statement that GMOs have not affected the overall rate of agricultural production is what I find most surprising and noteworthy here. 
45  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: It's a shame that so much $$$ is being spent on this election... on: May 19, 2016, 08:29:01 pm
Don't worry, most of that money will still be around in one form or another.
46  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Appalachia-Democratic Primary on: May 18, 2016, 06:06:29 pm
WNC is not like other parts of Appalachia that voted for Bernie save for Montgomery/Floyd in Va.  Several universities plus actually granola belt people.  The Asheville NC region is actually forcing the local coal power plant to close.

quite a few conservadems there too though.
47  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Bill Weld say yes to Gary Johnson? on: May 18, 2016, 06:04:09 pm
This should be interesting.

I recall seeing Weld on a panel on c-span a few years back, and he was asked about Ron Paul. I don't recall exactly what he said but it was clear from it he was not what one would call a non-interventionist.
48  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you have voted for in 2004 Democratic Primaries on: May 18, 2016, 05:52:30 pm
Kerry, I guess

looking at this uninspiring list, why didn't Joe Biden run this year instead of 08? 
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bullies force halt to vote on allowing alcohol sales in Pine Ridge on: May 18, 2016, 03:58:59 pm
Well maybe if Natives placed more value as a culture on education and not being trash this wouldn't be a problem. And yes I would say the same for poor whites in the Southeast before you predictably try to play that card.



Have you ever visited a rez?

I'm all for personal responsibility, but it's worthwhile to consider why it is that being successful in terms of educational attainment and a healthy lifestyle are more difficult in some communities than in others.
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Girl, 5, suspended for a bringing a "gun" to school on: May 18, 2016, 03:51:23 pm
Don't bring guns or gun look alikes to school and there won't be a problem. It's not that difficult.

She is 5.
Well then it's her parent's job to know this and stop it from happening.

I'm sure parents have nothing better to do than constantly inspecting their children's backpacks for princess toys.

At least she did not get expelled, which with these zero-tolerance policies I wouldn't have been surprised.   Common sense is basically outlawed once people become so concerned about covering their own butts.
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