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26  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Is Unbiased a SolarStorm sock? on: April 22, 2016, 01:31:29 pm
I don't know, but maybe if we combine all our ignorance on the issue into one thread we can find an answer.
27  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: Tubman shouldn't be $20 cuz she's a black woman, $2 "more appropriate" on: April 22, 2016, 01:27:38 pm
oh, yes, nice embellishing there in the thread title once again.

Of course Trump likes Jackson.  He's reenacting the success of Jackson's campaign, in all its vicarious megalomania and populist resentment, except for an era where success and heroism is defined in more financial and less martial terms.
28  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: April 22, 2016, 01:11:05 am


Your scores are:
Care 53.7%
Proportionality 57.4%
Heritage 40.7%
Liberty 68.5%

Your strongest moral foundation is Liberty.
Your morality is closest to that of a Paul supporter.
29  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Anarcho-monarchism on: April 22, 2016, 12:51:31 am
FI. a ceremonial ruler without coercive authority combines both freedom and tradition.
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rhode Island will only open 1 in 3 polling places for primary on: April 21, 2016, 12:54:45 am
This is what RI usually does for primaries. The reason it's a news story is because the presidential primaries rarely gets to us.

How do people know which polling place they are supposed to go to?
31  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Darrell Castle? on: April 19, 2016, 02:00:17 am
Seems pretty sane compared to Cruz or Trump.
32  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: kasich wishes lgbt+ people would "just get over" discrimination on: April 19, 2016, 01:47:40 am
You want to force someone to invest time and effort into something they believe is wrong?  Whatever hatred you feel for such a person, what you are demanding runs afoul of the idea that being in someone's employ should be a voluntary condition.

See, that's very subjective. I'm sure lots of racist Southerners in the Jim Crow days thought having to deal with/serve African Americans was just wrong, as they should be slaves and not free citizens. Or how about allowing women to vote? I'm sure lots thought it was just wrong because it wasn't their place and they wouldn't even know what to do (I'm aware this deals with govt and not business). I mean I can go on and on here.

If we can disallow discrimination based on race, we can also do it based on sexual orientation.

Does a person have a right to refuse an offer of employment, for whatever reason they choose?  That is essentially what a contract for services entails. It would seem to me that they would, unless they were providing such a basic necessity that whoever came to them and was denied it could suffer material hardship.  Medical care, a meal, lodging, basic utilities, qualifies.   An art commission, a shoeshine, a floral arrangement, does not.
33  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: kasich wishes lgbt+ people would "just get over" discrimination on: April 19, 2016, 01:19:21 am
Segregation and denying voting rights were done by governments. Kasich never said gay people shouldnt have the right to vote or get married, he said they should not get super angry if one business denies a service. In fact he believes that conservatives should also get over gay marriage. His position on this is to the left of me

I wasn't saying this current debate is directly tied to say, voting rights, or what have you. I used it as an example where the general public and the government was either discriminating directly or enabling it, and asked one to imagine the reaction if you told a black person to "get over it". Frankly, to me, in principle there is little difference between the government sanctioning discrimination and directly discriminating themselves.

He said they should find another business if they are turned away. Where does this end? That statement is a tactic acceptance of discrimination. As a person who has experienced varying degrees of harassment and discrimination based on my sexual orientation, I have zero tolerance for someone who even dances around this subject.

I also wonder what this means:

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Kasich argued government must balance the interests of religious people who oppose LGBTQ rights and those people who face discrimination.

What exactly is the balance here? We're simply looking to make sure LGBT people are not refused service on the basis of their sexual orientation or gender identity. When someone says they want to find "balance" there, what exactly are they saying? To allow a little "light" discrimination? I honestly don't see what else it means.

I'm sorry, but Kasich is trying to appease bigots and by doing that he turns his back on millions of people who simply want equal treatment.

It means not all situations are the same.  Serving someone a sandwich at a restaurant or letting them stay in a hotel isn't the same as catering an event or contracting to do a job for someone for some specialized service. Originally the concept of "public accommodations" involved an understanding of this difference, as can be seen in the wording of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.   You want to force someone to invest time and effort into something they believe is wrong?  Whatever hatred you feel for such a person, what you are demanding runs afoul of the idea that being in someone's employ should be a voluntary condition.
34  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 18, 2016, 08:56:02 pm
This is an awful thread
welcome to atlas ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you'd probably find the response of 'ordinary society' to this thread even less to your liking.

Imagine the response if any other candidate tried to make an issue out of this.

"John Kasich wants to tell your daughter not to go to parties with alcohol because he thinks they'll be raped.  What a loser!  I support college students drinking heavily, and I'm not afraid of your daughter getting raped. I'm Donald J. Tump and I approve of this message."
35  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: kasich wishes lgbt+ people would "just get over" discrimination on: April 18, 2016, 06:07:57 pm
There's nothing not moderate about this.

"Taking a breath" and "trying to strike a balance" is literally moderate.  Lots of people believe an extreme position involving forcibly shutting down businesses who don't want to participate in certain narrowly defined events or activities is the only morally acceptable one, that doesn't make their position moderate.
36  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 15, 2016, 05:10:58 pm
It sure is reassuring to know that college boys never take advantage of inebriated young women and so they have nothing to fear from these situations. 
37  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 15, 2016, 05:00:11 pm
When the State Dept advises against Americans going to Somalia or Nigeria, are they denying agency to Islamic terrorists and excusing their behavior?   
The difference between imminent threat and observed threat. It is necessary to caution against imminent threat.

Huh
38  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 15, 2016, 04:42:09 pm
If you want to feel safe, not going to parties with a lot of alcohol is bad advice why? 

Because it denies the human agency of rapists and excuses their behavior.

"Be careful with food around your campsite" is good advice for avoiding problems with bears and raccoons. But we don't treat bears and racoons as people, and we certainly don't let them vote. What Kasich is implicitly saying is that its somehow unfair or wrong to create a standard that requires human beings to act decently (particularly towards women) thereby giving de facto permission for what is completely unacceptable, criminal and destructive behavior.

If Kasich had been asked about the Holocaust, and replied "Jews should have gotten out of Germany" his career would be over. Or, if he were God forbid, assassinated, no one would think that, "I guess he shouldn't have run for president" would be approrpirate.

When the State Dept advises against Americans going to Somalia or Nigeria, are they denying agency to Islamic terrorists and excusing their behavior?   
39  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 15, 2016, 02:02:45 pm
If you want to feel safe, not going to parties with a lot of alcohol is bad advice why? 
40  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Cris's Maps Thread on: April 11, 2016, 05:56:49 am
Did John Kasich (R-Ohio) or Marco Rubio (R-Florida) get a higher percentage of the vote in each county?



Best version: http://www.pictureshack.us/images/19209_KasichRubio.png

cool.
41  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Delaware GOP (April 26) on: April 11, 2016, 05:50:43 am
Trump for sure. They went for freaking Steve Forbes in 1996 after all.
those two personalities are about as different as possible.
42  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you support a re-modding of Tender Branson? on: April 11, 2016, 12:39:05 am
he should be a mod on mod review.
43  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Dallasfan65's MA Town Map Thread on: April 11, 2016, 12:34:23 am


kewl.  it kinda looks like a lobstah!
44  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is it OK with watch Family Guy with a 5-year old? on: April 10, 2016, 12:51:16 am
no, that's pretty much the definition of evil.
45  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: is bernie sanders a socialist? on: April 08, 2016, 11:57:04 am
in terms of his basic values and how he frames issues, yes.
46  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: VA-Christopher Newport University: Clinton +9 on: April 08, 2016, 11:55:08 am
Way too many undecideds.

It's April and there are 2 unpopular frontrunners. As of now, there's no reason to think it isn't accurate.
47  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Intell on: April 07, 2016, 10:24:19 pm
Opposing feminism and supporting the death penalty are indefensible. Supporting religious influence in society and opposing the aspects of Islam he opposes would each be somewhat defensible individually, but taken together they aren't.

It should always be unacceptable for someone not to be a feminist.  You're either a sexist piece of sh!t or you aren't.  It's that simple.  Saying that you oppose feminism, but aren't a misogynist is like saying "I'm not a racist, I just believe that African-Americans shouldn't have the same rights as white people because the former are inherently inferior to the latter."  Opposing feminism literally means that you do not think men and women should have equal rights.

I am not a feminist because I do not think of gender relations primarily in terms of rights.  It doesn't mean I think anyone is superior or inferior.
48  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Joe Miller running for President, Constitution Party on: April 07, 2016, 08:53:43 pm
Weird.  This sleezeball is constantly talking up Trump. 

There's some speculation that Miller would be a placeholder and cede the ticket later on if Trump is the nominee.

I could see that. It just depends on what THE DONALD does.

Isn't the state party equivalent to the Constitution Party in Alaska the Alaskan Independence Party?

There is now an Alaska Constitution Party.   Its founder J.R. Myers is also running for the Constitution Party presidential nomination.
49  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Joe Miller running for President, Constitution Party on: April 07, 2016, 04:33:12 pm
Weird.  This sleezeball is constantly talking up Trump. 
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What % will Cruz get in New York? on: April 07, 2016, 03:52:48 pm
Probably around 20-25%, as someone else pointed out it is a closed primary.

otoh aren't there potential Cruz voters who won't be able to vote in the GOP primary b/c they are registered with the NY Conservative Party?
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