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26  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / help: anyone have access to Oxford Dictionary of National Biography? on: August 23, 2016, 01:18:53 am
perhaps you have access to oxforddnb.com through your university or library?

I'd like to get the entry for Charles Davy, who may be an ancestor of mine. 
27  General Politics / Economics / Re: Would a Georgian Land Value Tax harm conservation? on: August 22, 2016, 09:39:28 pm
I thought that the Georgist Land Tax was a mechanism still talked about by conservationists who wanted create disincentives to urban sprawl. I presumed that by only taxing unimproved land it was more economical to build more densely on land that is privately owned and leave the rest for the public sector.

Doesn't that assume a blank slate in terms of land ownership?
28  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Mother and son in love in N.M. will go to jail to defend their relationship on: August 22, 2016, 03:24:55 pm
There is no grey area. It's wrong, and if you disagree, your "morality" is below the level of human dignity.

Exactly. There are plenty of gay friends of mine who called me a bigot because when I hear about a mother and son in a sexual relationship, I want to throw up.

Wanting to throw up is one thing.  Wanting to keep the activity illegal is another, and nobody has yet put forward a convincing argument in favor of that that doesn't just rely on the first point.

Birth defects as a result of incest isn't a good enough reason? These people do belong in jail if that's what it's going to take to keep them from reproducing. Heck, are we going to legalize incestuous marriage now if the parties are incapable of reproducing?

In cases like this, this is one pretty big example of where the "Disgusting" argument really does work in favor of banning certain kinds of relationships.

can we ban your posts then?
29  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Beet on: August 22, 2016, 03:22:54 pm
at least he's being dramatic over real things that might happen, however unlikely, rather than someone just having the 'wrong' view about something.
30  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: August 22, 2016, 12:50:57 pm
Got the order today from my boss to "fix" the accounting for one of our products to "up" the sales of this product (on paper).

I don't like the fact of false accounting at ALL, but he also got pressure from his regional supervisor to increase the "sales" of this certain product.

Hmmmm ...

I go looking for another job if I were you.  Even if you don't get caught, a business that is rigging the books typically doesn't last long.

Unlikely. The cheat is extremely effective and the revision is totally unlikely to find it in the books. And it's only for one product out of thousands.
That you know of. Plus, while you may be applying a subtle cheat, others may not, especially if a subtle cheat is unable to provide the level of improvement being demanded of them. Furthermore, there's the danger that some of the other mid-level managers than your boss are encouraged by this negative example to cook the books for their own reasons.

Office Space 2:  $cammin' in the Alp$
31  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Hi everyone :) on: August 22, 2016, 12:39:03 pm
A cheerful charger, eh?   Nice. Do you do ipods?
32  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: shua's pitch for the House on: August 22, 2016, 12:37:32 pm
Looks like I didn't quite make it, but I'd like to thank those who voted for me.

Stay tuned.
33  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: HuffPo: "Kirk Says President Obama Is ‘Acting Like The Drug Dealer In Chief" on: August 22, 2016, 12:34:35 pm
RIP Kirk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-kirk-drug-dealer-in-chief_us_57ba65bee4b03d5136892f4f?section=&

"On Twitter, a number of people called out Kirk for using racially charged language to insult the president."

It's an exceedingly stupid analogy, but "racially charged language"?  What is the p.c. term for someone who deals drugs?

Well, my take on it is that a black president is being associated to drug dealing by analogy, which reinforces stereotypical perceptions along racial lines.

It's not about the term in itself, but rather how it was used to create an exceedingly ignorant (at the very least) and reckless comment about the President.

Yeah, I can see "reinforcing stereotypical perceptions along racial lines."  Though I'd argue insisting any mention of "drug dealers" must necessarily be a racial reference also does that to some degree.
34  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 22, 2016, 12:31:05 pm
ITT: White men who don't speak to Muslim women

I try not to too use pick-up lines on women with religious headgear if that's what you mean.  Seems in bad taste somehow.
35  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Communist Party USA on: August 22, 2016, 01:26:06 am

lol, they literally have a link on there to a petition in support of "Target corporation."
36  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: HuffPo: "Kirk Says President Obama Is ‘Acting Like The Drug Dealer In Chief" on: August 22, 2016, 01:05:47 am
RIP Kirk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-kirk-drug-dealer-in-chief_us_57ba65bee4b03d5136892f4f?section=&

"On Twitter, a number of people called out Kirk for using racially charged language to insult the president."

It's an exceedingly stupid analogy, but "racially charged language"?  What is the p.c. term for someone who deals drugs?
37  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 21, 2016, 02:27:37 pm
Ironic because its supposed to be against oppression but banning a type of clothing is exactly that. If people choose to wear them and they're comfortable with it, that's fine. What it instead does is piss Muslim women off who want to wear it and sends a message to them that the west is uncomfortable with Islam. Its leftist intolerance.

Is it? Seems like these types of things usually get the most support from right wing secular nationalist types. 

Most people who would be for it are for progressive reasons, progress. The burka is a traditional outfit, therefore I would think conservatives would not be the ones to want to ban it. Not saying all leftists support banning it, and I'm sure you'll find right wingers supporting it for different wrong reasons too.

No. The real reason for it is Islamophobia. While there are left-wingers who support it, they only do so in an (obviously failed) attempt to chase after the votes of the right and far-right, who are the real proponents of these policies. The idea that this has anything to do with social-liberalism (or even with "laïcité") is ludicrous.

Is it? They are using the exact same arguments for the exact same kinds of policies. The xenophobic motive here is obvious, but why would that be inconsistent with a progressive ideology?  If the main concern is social progress, gender equality, secularism, etc, as opposed to pluralism, why wouldn't you seek to exclude culture that has the same characteristics as those you are trying to change in your own society?

Because most progressives are generally aware of which policies actually help to further the causes they care about, as opposed to policies that just serve to further alienate people you're trying to bring over to your values.

Most of us agree that, in an ideal world, no religion should serve as an excuse promote patriarchal notions of "modesty" and dictate what's acceptable for women to wear. The point is how you get people who have been socialized in a viciously patriarchal context to reject this worldview, and it's ridiculous to claim that these bans help.

You think that progressives are generally very concerned with not alienating people they consider to hold regressive views?  Is that why they so often mock and shame such people, try to shut down their businesses, get them fired, or don't trust them with educating their children? 
The reason progressives aren't going after women who wear burkas is simply because they are minorities who are feared by right-wingers, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.   Short of that and I can only suspect the attitude would be the same as the Kemalists toward expressions of traditional Islam, or the Calles Law or the Spanish 1931 Constitution against expressions of Catholicism.
38  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 21, 2016, 01:21:04 pm
Ironic because its supposed to be against oppression but banning a type of clothing is exactly that. If people choose to wear them and they're comfortable with it, that's fine. What it instead does is piss Muslim women off who want to wear it and sends a message to them that the west is uncomfortable with Islam. Its leftist intolerance.

Is it? Seems like these types of things usually get the most support from right wing secular nationalist types. 

Most people who would be for it are for progressive reasons, progress. The burka is a traditional outfit, therefore I would think conservatives would not be the ones to want to ban it. Not saying all leftists support banning it, and I'm sure you'll find right wingers supporting it for different wrong reasons too.

No. The real reason for it is Islamophobia. While there are left-wingers who support it, they only do so in an (obviously failed) attempt to chase after the votes of the right and far-right, who are the real proponents of these policies. The idea that this has anything to do with social-liberalism (or even with "laïcité") is ludicrous.

Is it? They are using the exact same arguments for the exact same kinds of policies. The xenophobic motive here is obvious, but why would that be inconsistent with a progressive ideology?  If the main concern is social progress, gender equality, secularism, etc, as opposed to pluralism, why wouldn't you seek to exclude culture that has the same characteristics as those you are trying to change in your own society?
39  General Politics / Economics / Would a Georgian Land Value Tax harm conservation? on: August 21, 2016, 01:05:59 pm
Would a Georgian Land Value Tax harm conservation and limit the presence of green space?

It seems to me that it very well could, if I am understanding it right, at least if it is a major source of tax revenue.  Since the tax is on the value of unimproved land, it would mean that a green space, or a wetlands or other natural habitat, would be taxed just as much as an industrial park in the same place.   So there is just that much more incentive for a landowner to convert the space to economically productive uses. Indeed, it may even be necessary in order for the landowner to pay the tax.
40  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Milo Yiannoplous deposits $100K for charity directly in his personal account on: August 21, 2016, 12:33:34 pm
lesson: Never give money to a charity that is trying to make an edgy statement.  They'll forget all about the cause and the people they were claiming to help once the next edgy thing comes along.
41  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2016 House of Representative Elections on: August 20, 2016, 09:11:06 pm
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS

[6] 1184AZ of Washington
Labor Party

[4] Abraham Washington of New York
United Alternative

[2] ClarkKent of Connecticut
Federalist Party

[9] Classic Conservative of Texas
Federalist Party

[] Clyde1998 of Massachusetts
Labor Party

[5] dfwlibertylover of Texas
Federalist Party

[] evergreen of Illinois
Labor Party

[3] JohanusCalvinusLibertas of Indiana
Federalist Party

[7] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party

[10] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party

[8] Santander of Alabama
Federalist Party

[1] Shua of Alaska
Freedom and Solidarity Party

[] Talleyrand of Texas
Nationalist Party
42  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What are these candidates going to do about interest on the debt? on: August 20, 2016, 06:36:05 pm
Clinton's plan on the debt is far more realistic and responsible - creating new programs and infrastructure while raising taxes on the wealthy. I think the deficit will go down over the course of the Clinton years if she sticks to her plans, not go up.

Trump's plans will rapidly expand the debt beyond levels we previously knew possible. I know because that's exactly what happened when Ronald Reagan became President. Trump and Reagan are saying the same on their fiscal policy - promise the public the entire world, without a way to pay for it.

Clinton plans to spend a lot more than her tax increases will raise, so I expect the debt to go up substantially if she gets her way.  More responsible than Trump's plans, yes, but that's a low bar.
43  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Do you support interracial marriage? on: August 20, 2016, 03:03:37 pm
Do you support interracial marriage?




Yes in the 2nd case, no in the first.  He doesn't look like a good fit for her.  Maybe if he grew his hair out and wore a different shirt.
44  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Ayn Rand on: August 20, 2016, 02:57:09 pm
Could be good at criticizing collectivism, but awful when it came to what she offered instead.
45  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Racist Moderators on: August 20, 2016, 02:26:34 pm
German and French Catholics were always white in America.   Irish, Slavic and South European Catholics (esp from Southern Italy) were a different matter.


I am honored to have a whole thread dedicated to me and my racism. At least, to the best of my knowledge, my anti-semitism has not deserved a whole thread up till now Smiley

BTW, are Jews white? What about Catholics? Feel kind of ridiculous having to explain such obvious things.

Not monolithically

Indeed.

I never realized Beta Jews were an actual thing.  So who are the Alpha Jews?
46  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: If you were living in Austria ... on: August 20, 2016, 01:48:10 pm
No way.   If they were fining or prosecuting gay couples for holding hands in public it would be different, since that would be a comparable situation.
47  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1019 - Maximum Sentences for Marijuana Act of 2016 on: August 20, 2016, 01:36:12 pm
Can we substitute a flat legalization through amendment, or would that require a separate bill?
48  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What are these candidates going to do about interest on the debt? on: August 20, 2016, 01:30:53 pm
They haven't the slightest intention of doing anything about this. 
49  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 19, 2016, 10:32:11 pm
The browns Muslims are an existential threat to the French value/right of freedom of religion, so clearly the French should take away the Muslims' right to freedom of religion. Can't imagine how that could ever (further) alienate and marginalize a deeply religious minority community that is already alienated and marginalized (and literally ostracized, in many cases) from French society!

I don't think anyone is claiming Muslims are a threat to any French freedom of religion (which would imply that is something that actually exists).
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Poster boys for white privilege lie and denigrate Brazil on: August 19, 2016, 10:20:06 pm
Given his inebriated state, general cluelessness, and what I can only imagine is not a firm grasp of Portuguese, is it possible he thought he was being robbed?
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