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76  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If Hillary Clinton loses the Democratic primary... on: April 13, 2015, 09:04:39 pm
Sure, I'll bite.

DISCLAIMER: This contract is void if a) Hillary Clinton wins Iowa or b) Lincoln Chafee switches parties.

Is your disclaimer a joke, or are you actually taking the bet? If not, I'll give your spot to the next poster. Tongue

Do you accept my conditions?
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who Do You Have On Ignore? on: April 13, 2015, 09:03:50 pm
memphis - euphoric
RosettaStoned - euphoric

you mean this ironically?
78  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tennessee on verge of banning phones, cameras at polling places on: April 13, 2015, 08:52:04 pm
Cameras can also document if there are glitches with voting machines.   It's a tough issue, both sides have legitimate concerns.   Maybe there's a satisfactory compromise out there but I'm not sure what it would be.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gay Couple Featured in Hillary's Campaign Video Invites her to their Wedding on: April 13, 2015, 07:15:56 pm
Please take your discriminatory hatred elsewhere. See you next Tuesday.

What's next Tuesday? Who do I want to discriminate against? I said I was personally emotionally impacted in a negative way by the video.

Me too.  The words "Hillary Campaign" served as something of a trigger warning but ultimately I was unprepared for the final third of that video.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary's campaign theme on: April 13, 2015, 06:57:35 pm
Fate monstrous
and empty,
you whirling wheel,
you are malevolent,
well-being is vain
and always fades to nothing,
shadowed
and veiled
you plague me too;
now through the game
I bring my bare back
to your villainy.
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Did you support gay marriage before Hillary Clinton? on: April 13, 2015, 06:08:19 pm
That is the case for most gays that I know personally, but I keep hearing from some corners that all those who oppose gay marriage are bigots.

Well, the Internet is dark and full of terrors, and you'll hear all kinds of generalizations from people age 18 to whatever which haven't been thought through. I think there's a full spectrum of people from the 90 year old who just doesn't get gay marriage but doesn't really care if it becomes legal to the very cynical political operative who thinks it's still 2004 and he can use opposing gay marriage to prop up a candidate, and obviously you can't paint everyone with the same brush.

Some people who oppose gay marriage are bigots, not because they oppose gay marriage, but because their opposing gay marriage is just one expression of their hatred of or disgust for gays which doesn't have a well-thought-out ethos behind it. I also think I don't have an obligation to be appreciative of people who oppose same-sex marriage to the point they try to deny us equal rights under the law, because it's their feelings vs. my rights, and they don't care what I think anyway.

We seem to have traveled in light speed from "gay marriage is unpopular, so gays who come out should bear the social consequences of flaunting their lifestyle" to "gay marriage is popular, so people who oppose it are special snowflakes deserving of everyone's respect and tolerance" and it makes my head spin. 


It makes my head spin as well how soon we've gone from "gay rights don't threaten anyone else" to "you must conform or suffer the consequences." Do you have to be a "special snowflake" to deserve respect and tolerance?
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Last time a VP cost a state? on: April 13, 2015, 05:57:00 pm
Palin costing McCain Indiana and North Carolina was the last time. 

More so with Indiana.

The raw-vote margin in 2004 Indiana, carried by George W. Bush with a percentage-points margin of R+20.68, was 510,427.

Sarah Palin helped John McCain lose the state in 2008.

The change was greater with Indiana between the two elections. That doesn't mean it has to do with Palin.   
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Hillary win a county in WV-03? on: April 13, 2015, 05:47:54 pm
What makes McDowell so "Democratic"?

mainly poverty and coal - which is also why they won't be voting for a national Democrat any time soon; they don't want to lose the few coal jobs they have left.
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If Hillary Clinton loses the Democratic primary... on: April 13, 2015, 04:18:15 pm
Sure, I'll bite.

DISCLAIMER: This contract is void if a) Hillary Clinton wins Iowa or b) Lincoln Chafee switches parties.
85  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Kirk: People drive faster through Black Neighborhoods on: April 13, 2015, 04:10:13 pm
Even without prejudicial fears of the neighborhood that is often the case given speed limit / residential patterns.
86  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1908 Conventions (The Hearse at Monticello) on: April 13, 2015, 02:55:54 pm
Gray/Kern
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Last time a VP cost a state? on: April 13, 2015, 02:21:37 pm
2012:  Ryan / FL - Medicare
2008: Palin - FL is a strong possibility.  IN and NC also, though she also helped turnout there for McCain.
2004: Cheney - WI
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: UK General Election, 2015 on: April 13, 2015, 02:03:38 pm
Would feel violently ill, but tactical Labour for the sake of the country. Unless I lived in North East Somerset, then I'd have to vote Tory.
  You dislike Cameron that much?
89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Hillary win a county in WV-03? on: April 13, 2015, 01:59:19 pm
Where is the "none" option?
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Did you support gay marriage before Hillary Clinton? on: April 13, 2015, 01:35:47 pm
Probably since the late 1990s, which means before something like 90% of Democrats who support it now.

shua, I understand what you're going for here, but I think I can speak for all gays who aren't parody troll accounts here by saying that we recognize that people have to evolve on this issue, just as Obama and our family members have. While Hillary Clinton was unusually risk-averse, she's come around and become a strong advocate, and that's what matters now.

I voted for Hillary over Obama in 2008 in part because of Obama's reluctance on this issue—at least with Hillary, I knew I would get caution and cynicism. Obama has surprised me by embracing gay rights in his second term.

That is the case for most gays that I know personally, but I keep hearing from some corners that all those who oppose gay marriage are bigots. And that if you don't believe that those who oppose gay marriage are bigots who deserve to be punished, then you are a closet bigot yourself too. That is not what I would expect from those who recognize that this is a complicated issue for people they need to evolve on before they can embrace it.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Fix the Constitution Act on: April 13, 2015, 01:16:14 pm
I have updated it to 25%.
92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What should the previous poster change their username to? on: April 13, 2015, 12:36:46 am
Vern
93  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Ben Carson on: April 13, 2015, 12:32:11 am
An FF, but a casualty of the media machine that leads people on to believe they are credible candidates and insists they take positions on things they know nothing about.
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is hardcore the most misnamed genre of music ever? on: April 13, 2015, 12:26:33 am
This is of course the only hardcore song you will ever need.
95  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the NRA on: April 13, 2015, 12:19:22 am
unprincipled and bizarrely inconsistent.
96  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 2004 Primaries on: April 12, 2015, 11:53:44 pm
Armey/Powell
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is hardcore the most misnamed genre of music ever? on: April 12, 2015, 11:44:46 pm
I would say much of "Rhythm & Blues" but the issue there is really the idea that it constitutes a single genre.
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Get out: US voters want more deportations, curbs on immigrants on: April 12, 2015, 11:33:46 pm
Deportation of illegal immigrants?

Not aggressive enough: 62%
Too aggressive: 16%
About right: 15%


I have to believe a lot of this is people falsely believing nothing is being done. Democrats and Republicans both have an interest in communicating to their base that deportations aren't happening under Obama.
99  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama to Denounce "Conversion Therapy" on: April 12, 2015, 11:10:41 pm
Right, because the type of people who believe this crap works and is necessary are definitely going to change their minds after hearing Obama denounce it.  I predict a bounce in support for the practice!

And I'm sure the First Amendment will be cited to protect the rights of people or groups to psychologically torture children anyway.

Medical malpractice is not protected by the First Amendment. Yes, I know, you already knew that. Smiley

There isn't a clear line as to what constitutes "conversion" therapy and what doesn't, so you could have the courts defining what is and isn't allowed to be talked about in a way that goes beyond traditional malpractice law.
Is there anything currently stopping malpractice suits to be brought against abusive conversion therapy practices?
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New Mexico becomes 1st state to ban civil asset forfeiture on: April 12, 2015, 08:50:52 pm

Contrarianism this is not. It's quite consistent with everything else I say.

"Contrarianism" on Atlas = not going along uncritically with what everyone else is saying.
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