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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The US Department of Justice is prosecuting a woman for laughing at Sessions on: May 02, 2017, 10:18:46 pm
What is she being charged with?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/2/15518574/desiree-fairooz-justice-department

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According to Ryan Reilly at HuffPost, Code Pink activist Desiree Fairooz was arrested in January after she laughed at a claim from Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) that Sessions’s history of “treating all Americans equally under the law is clear and well-documented.”
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But federal prosecutors have pushed forward with the case against Fairooz. As Reilly reported, prosecutors argue that “the laugh amounted to willful ‘disorderly and disruptive conduct’ intended to ‘impede, disrupt, and disturb the orderly conduct’ of congressional proceedings.” In court, they have tried to emphasize that the laugh was extraordinarily disruptive, with a US Capitol Police officer claiming that Fairooz laughed “very loudly” and people in the hearings turned around when they heard it.

Fairooz’s defense, meanwhile, has argued that her laughter was a reflex and not meant to disrupt the hearings. Fairooz was also in the back of the room, and her laughter had no noticeable impact, based on video of the hearings, on Shelby’s introductory speech for Sessions.
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I really need attention, because I lack it in other means, therefore AMA! on: May 02, 2017, 07:31:13 am
Why Gov. Never Again?   Virginia allows a 2nd term so long as it is not consecutive (see Mills Godwin).
78  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone V: Born Under A Bad Sign on: May 02, 2017, 07:17:20 am
Oh, by the way, I'm a published author.

Cool. A book?
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Obama's Wall Street speechifying on: May 02, 2017, 07:02:20 am
Nothing inherently wrong with it, but whether it is wise is arguable.   I suppose the question here is: can one raise money and support from the centers of wealth while still maintaining one's critical distance and independence ?  If No, then that severely restricts one's ability to find the resources to accomplish what may be a very worthy mission.  But if Yes, then how?




80  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the Vice Presidential runners-Up: Round Two on: May 02, 2017, 06:48:44 am
Kemp
Shriver
Dole
Kaine
Kefauver
81  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Has a single argument/line of reasoning ever changed your opinion on an issue? on: May 02, 2017, 06:46:00 am
"Marriage is a legal contract. If you can enter into a legal contract, you can get married."


(though that's kind of one I thought myself when arguing gay marriage, then applied more broadly)

Might not one be able to enter into one kind of contract but not another?
82  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump asks why was there a Civil War in interview on: May 01, 2017, 03:35:45 pm
It's true if Andrew Jackson were president the South would not have seceeded  Tongue

meanwhile I'm trying to figure out what CNN thinks this sentence is doing:
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Trump's comments about both the war and Jackson disregard key historical events. Slavery was the underlying issue fueling the fight over states' rights that ultimately led to the Civil War. The federal government tried to avoid a conflict for years, most notably with the Compromise of 1850. As president, Jackson, a slaveowner, famously led the forced removal of 17,000 Cherokees across the country, which resulted in the deaths of thousands.
I mean there is a historical argument for connecting Indian removal in the South to expansion of slavery but one must actually make it.
83  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban evergreen on: May 01, 2017, 11:44:20 am
evergreen has posted some truly nasty stuff against people and so it's hard for me to get upset about  a tempban over personal attacks. pretty much anything interesting she posts is on AAD and not here anyway.

That said Kal you are really letting this mod stuff get to your head, but if your goal is to get people not to report posts because they can be used against the reporter, then you are doing a great job.
84  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Moving Presidential Election 2016 to the Election Archive on: May 01, 2017, 11:37:04 am
It's still on people's minds and worth discussing the results. Definitely a more interesting topic than idle speculation of an election 3 years away.
85  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: I'm no longer allowed to delete my threads on: May 01, 2017, 11:34:52 am
Why are you deleting threads?  Are you the reason my post count has been decreasing?   
Uncool. 
There is nothing inherently good about having a high post count what really matters is the quality of the posts the red basically you should be ashamed of your post quality was so bad the boss of the post that you had robbed by threads I've only been deleting my old bulbs and threads that I've been creating recently I have not been able to delete threads because my status is with all into one in which someone with less than 100 password have by the way sir maybe if you want to get your postcard back up you should create some good posts in threads that are not troll the roads like mine

are you ...ok?
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Kalwejt Foundation for the Promotion of Atlas Hilarity on: May 01, 2017, 01:58:09 am
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=262830.0
87  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: I'm no longer allowed to delete my threads on: May 01, 2017, 01:52:56 am
Why are you deleting threads?  Are you the reason my post count has been decreasing?   
Uncool. 
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of this screenshot on: May 01, 2017, 01:37:23 am
political debate forum is strange place, yes.

Geography of Victor...?

89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Alternative 1964: Johnson (D) vs Rockefeller (R) on: April 30, 2017, 01:55:38 pm
Anybody who would support a racist Lyndon Johnson who "supported" civil rights while also being a fool on the economy, other social issues, and indisputably foreign policy, must be some sort of nationalist, hawkish populist. Particularly when the other option was a foreign policy realist, whose chief criticism was his overbearing stance on law and order over civil rights/privacy rights.

someone in 64 would be unlikely to think of Rocky as the less hawkish candidate than LBJ, though they may have thought of him as smarter on it.   

on domestic policy I'd prefer Rocky as being not quite so enthusiastic in utopian promises to be achieved through the expansion of the federal government.    but then on that other meaning of domestic - that is, on family issues and wondering what his election might mean for the normalization of divorce - that makes him a bit more difficult to support.
90  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservatives only, what the bigger evil: Hard Core Socialists or SJW on: April 29, 2017, 05:53:22 pm
I am not a conservative, I am leftist, so, I didn't vote.

But I am neither a Hard Core Socialist nor SJW, so, I can talk about these two.

Many leftists, who are not Hard Core, consider that we need to fight for equality, but not remove individual liberties. Hard Core Socialists don't care about individual liberties. Of course, SJW are not like Stalin, Mao and Kim Family, but they don't care too much about individual liberties.

Many leftists like me, who are neither Hard Core nor SJW, think that prostitution should be legal and considered a job like any other, as we can see in Germany and Netherlands. SJW consider that buying sex should be a criminal offense, like in Sweden. SJW are anti-pornography too.
SJW consider that men can not have opinion of feminism and that whites can not have opinion of black movement. SJW think that white people can not have jamaican hair because this is cultural appropriation.

I guess you haven't come across "sex positive" SJWs.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: AMA Oregon Progressive/ NoVA Green on: April 29, 2017, 04:40:38 pm
Can one be both an Oregon Progressive and a NoVA Green?
92  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservatives only, what the bigger evil: Hard Core Socialists or SJW on: April 28, 2017, 04:17:45 pm
In the US, as an ideology, SJWism - Not making judgements against individuals here, but against the threat that the ideological tendency represents in terms of limiting the parameters of acceptable discussion and belief, both institutionally and in interpersonal relations.  Hard Core Socialists hold little cultural or political influence in the US in comparison.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama surpasses Hillary on the Wall Street Speaking Circuit on: April 28, 2017, 12:20:40 am
When Obama does it, it's okay because he has a penis, you see.

That's the wrong take. It's not a problem for Obama or Hillary or anyone else to do this.

Um, yes, there is? The leaders of the Democratic Party should not be cozying up to the ruling class.

Does that mean they have to sleep on the couch?
94  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should private organizations be allowed to limit free speech? on: April 26, 2017, 04:45:40 pm
Legally allowed to?  Yes.

Should we be indifferent to it and never complain about it?  No.
95  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: who would you vote for in each hypothetical french runoff on: April 25, 2017, 10:12:29 pm
Le Pen vs Mélenchon: null vote
Mélenchon vs Macron: Macron
Mélenchon vs Fillon: Fillon
Le Pen vs Macron: null vote
Le Pen vs Fillon: Fillon
Macron vs Fillon: Fillon

Le Pen, Melenchon and Macron are all fundamentally unacceptable, but would vote for Macron over Melenchon since Melenchon is bad on the same things that Macron is and then some.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: President dfwlibertylover/ Vice President Goldwater for Re-election! on: April 25, 2017, 09:42:40 pm
endorsed.
97  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: ATTN DAVE: 11,000 character limit on: April 24, 2017, 01:13:37 pm
I applaud the patience and attentiveness of anyone who gets all the way through reading a post with 11,000 characters.
98  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: France 2017: Results Thread on: April 24, 2017, 12:31:51 am
Is there an idea of how certain minority groups voted? French Muslims, French Jews, French Black people, etc?

Jews - usually a strong constituency for the right. They probably voted for Fillon in big numbers. The FN were doing well with Jews, although Le Pen probably lost support over the Vel d'Hiv comments. Macron probably lost support with Jews, who are largely of North African/pied noir descent, with his comments on Algeria being a "war crime", and the left are probably perceived as being too close to Muslims.

Muslims and blacks - overwhelmingly for Mélenchon and Macron (basically see the results in Seine-Saint-Denis, and places like Vénissieux in the Rhône to get an idea.

Note that, in France, collecting data on ethnicity is illegal, so reliable figures are very hard to come by.

No one can collect it at all?
99  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the presidential runners-up: Final round on: April 23, 2017, 10:10:46 pm
McGovern wins!

Congrats George!

What was that campaign slogan again, "Go home America, you're drunk"?   Tongue
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mulvaney offers Democrats $1 for Obamacare funds for every $1 for wall funds on: April 23, 2017, 04:32:13 pm
?

If Congress has not appropriated an amount, then either Trump can't offer to spend it, or else they have given the administration a blank check.

The Obama administration had argued that due to the way PPACA was written, they didn't need a separate appropriation for those funds, and continued to fund it as such. The House sued them, and the lawsuit hasn't fully concluded, and I believe Republicans either scuttled it or attempted to scuttle it because they didn't want the exchanges to implode due to their own lawsuit, on their watch, because they know they would get blamed for it. They wanted the exchanges to collapse under Obama's watch. The lawsuit actually succeeded but the ruling was suspended pending appeal.

So Trump is merely working with the same logic Obama was using, and Republicans are indifferent for obvious reasons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/politics/affordable-care-act-trump-subsidies.html

Yeah, that seems pretty clearly illegal.  If Congress had any sense at all they would go ahead and just appropriate money for it while they figured out the other stuff.  Doesn't look like the Republicans attempted to scuttle the lawsuit against cost-sharing subsidies though - what happened was the elimination of them was part of the Ryan healthcare bill that got drowneded. 
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