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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President of Spokane NAACP outed as white imposter on: June 22, 2015, 10:13:32 pm
Her parents are Christian fundamentalists? Who adopted black kids?

Is this in any way surprising?
77  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Supreme Court rules with Raisin Farmers, Against USDA Program on: June 22, 2015, 09:56:17 pm
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The Hornes objected to the application of the law to the raisin market. Each year, a certain proportion of the crop is set aside in order to maintain price stability.

The leftover raisins are then used for government programs, such as school lunches. Farmers can receive compensation if any funds are left over.

This looked like a great program.

Raisins for school lunches and other programs is nice, but the rest sucks.  The farmers have as much as half of their produce confiscated with little if any compensation. They are prohibited from marketing and selling their own crop directly to consumers.  Many raisin farmers have had to give up their business due to the law. And a lot of the crop of government takes is sold dirt cheap overseas, where it drives down prices there in order to raise them in the US.

This ruling is a major victory against insane government micromanaging and bankrupting of farmers.
Can you back off on the hyperbole?

There was nothing hyperbolic in my post.
78  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Supreme Court rules with Raisin Farmers, Against USDA Program on: June 22, 2015, 09:30:37 pm
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The Hornes objected to the application of the law to the raisin market. Each year, a certain proportion of the crop is set aside in order to maintain price stability.

The leftover raisins are then used for government programs, such as school lunches. Farmers can receive compensation if any funds are left over.

This looked like a great program.

Raisins for school lunches and other programs is nice, but the rest sucks.  The farmers have as much as half of their produce confiscated with little if any compensation. They are prohibited from marketing and selling their own crop directly to consumers.  Many raisin farmers have had to give up their business due to the law. And a lot of the crop of government takes is sold dirt cheap overseas, where it drives down prices there in order to raise them in the US.

This ruling is a major victory against insane government micromanaging and bankrupting of farmers.
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Discusses Race, Uses "N" Word on: June 22, 2015, 07:50:55 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/obama-racism-marc-maron-podcast.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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U.S. ‘Not Cured’ of Racism, Obama Says, Citing Slavery’s Legacy
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR and CHRISTINE HAUSERJUNE 22, 2015

WASHINGTON — Just days after nine black parishioners were killed in a South Carolina church, President Obama said the legacy of slavery still “casts a long shadow” on American life, and he said that choosing not to say the word “nigger” in public does not eliminate racism from society.

In a wide-ranging conversation about race, including his own upbringing as a man born to a black father and a white woman, Mr. Obama insisted that there was no question that race relations have improved in his lifetime. But he also said that racism was still deeply embedded in the United States.

A refreshingly honest interview.

From that excerpt, the NYT seems not to understand what he was saying. His point was about overt racism, the "N"-word was just the example he used.
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Black Americans Are Killed At 12 Times The Rate As In Other Developed Countries on: June 22, 2015, 06:19:03 pm
Thread title is misleading. They didn't look at homicide rates in other countries by race.  If there were that much disparity between blacks in US and blacks in Britain or France, it would be a bit surprising. But this disparity between blacks and the general population of Western Europe is sadly not.

The thread title was lifted from the linked site, which brought up your precise point, but I think the speculation is that the homicide rate for blacks in Western Europe is still far lower than in the US for blacks. If you have data to the contrary, that would be interesting to see. The implication of course, to the extent a disparity exists for blacks in each area, is that some of it might be due to disparate gun laws, and a disparate social safety net, or whatever.

for UK (England and Wales): Black murder victims about 11% of victim population, and blacks make up about 3% of general population.   So a significant racial disparity - about 4 times the rate of whites in UK as compared to 8 times the rate of whites in US.  So it appears to be true that blacks have about 5x the murder victim rate in US than UK, as whites have about 2.5x

On the other hand, UK has even more black/white disparity than US on the other side of the criminal justice system (imprisonment).  So not all these social indicators go in the same direction.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Scott Walker appeal to black voters? on: June 22, 2015, 04:54:03 pm
Sure, maybe two dozen or so.
82  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Black Americans Are Killed At 12 Times The Rate As In Other Developed Countries on: June 22, 2015, 04:16:01 pm
Thread title is misleading. They didn't look at homicide rates in other countries by race.  If there were that much disparity between blacks in US and blacks in Britain or France, it would be a bit surprising. But this disparity between blacks and the general population of Western Europe is sadly not.
83  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Isn't this a reasonable solution for the flag situation? on: June 22, 2015, 12:15:15 am
Was the Army of Northern Virginia at all active in SC?

Anyway, having that flag displayed prominently on the Capitol grounds is not a good idea, simply because of what it ends up suggesting to a large number of its people - that they are not full citizens with full rights to their government.  And that is a problem.  If it were somewhere else, it could be appropriate.
84  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Haley Barbour: CSA flag "didn't have a thing in the world to do" with shooting on: June 21, 2015, 11:57:18 pm
Me: "Hey, maybe we should recognize that history isn't just a bumper sticker slogan."
Socialist from Georgia: "Racist! Erhmagad! RACIST!"

What a compelling argument.

The far-left is so predictable.

The same can be said about you reactionaries, who rush to wrap yourselves in a flag that you know damn good and well has no purpose existing in this country outside of a museum. "Heritage not hate", "it's about history" - bullsh**t.

People who love history and want to publicly display it for sentimental reasons have literally centuries of history from which to sample, but why is that so many Southerners and conservatives want to latch onto a relatively insignificant 4-year life-span of a defunct country that didn't win, didn't fight for a noble cause and didn't contribute an iota of positive significance to America as we know it? Hell, its brief existence is still creating negative effects for the country as a whole. It's not about history for you: it's about nostalgia and a longing for a by-gone era that embodied the warped values that still live in your hearts.

Why not embrace the Revolutionary War? The War of 1812? The Mexican-American War? World War I? World War II? Among the civilian masses in the South, the only war and the only flag that have a cult following is the one from the war that was the most noble in nature - but for the side that was empirically disgusting.

Is a war in which maybe half of a million died in a region of 12 million and led to massive social upheaval comparable to anything else in American history in its impact upon a people other than slavery itself and Indian removal?   
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: When was the last time you went to a video store? on: June 21, 2015, 10:20:59 pm
2-1/2 weeks ago.  NARO Video has a really cool selection.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Mideast Assembly Thread on: June 21, 2015, 06:30:48 am
I resign from Mideast Assembly.  (just got too much else on my mind)
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Haley Barbour: CSA flag "didn't have a thing in the world to do" with shooting on: June 20, 2015, 11:47:40 pm
What if they were to just replace the flag in S.C. with this?



I mean, unlike the battle flag in question, this ACTUALLY is an official Confederate Flag. The battle flag has become the de facto redneck durkerdoo flag as well as the de facto KKK flag. That is the flag that has cultural connotations and purportedly hurts feelings because it is recognizable. But almost all of the arguments to ban it because "erhmagad treason!" should actually be focused on those flags which represented the government. In contrast to the recognizable battle flag, I strongly doubt that most people would be offended by this merely by seeing it. It looks an awful lot like the Texas flag after all.

Or if its bad because blah blah racist ... how about if only some States are allowed to fly it at civil war memorials? During the initial secession crisis Virginia voted not to secede. The Virginia government said, don't march troops through our State or we WILL secede. Lincoln disagreed with that proposition. Virginia then voted a second time and this time voted to secede. Doesn't sound so black and white (terrible pun I know) to me. I mean seriously, condensing a war down to "blah blah white supremacy" is pretty intellectually dishonest considering most white NORTHERNERS were also white supremacists. It's like saying WWI was solely about some Serb killing some Austrian.

Cue name-calling and race-baiting in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for everyone just to get rid of Confederate flags on official government buildings?

It isn't quite on a building.

88  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do Southern Whites owe a collective apology to the United States? on: June 20, 2015, 06:31:38 pm
Only Democrats, duh.
89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: should the USA have sent military and economic aid to France in the early 1790s? on: June 20, 2015, 05:33:40 pm
This is like asking if Greece should send aid to FARC.
90  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1983 General Election - Austrian Election Series on: June 20, 2015, 09:02:34 am
So is NVP just a generic centrist party?  Who are they trying to appeal to?

LKP voters who are not literal Nazis.

LKP voters upset with Waldheim could vote FPO. 
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: June 2015 Federal Election - President, VP and Regional Senators on: June 20, 2015, 08:46:57 am
Pres:
Dkrolga/Altsomn Stmarken

ME-Senate:
Lumine
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Discuss and debate this picture. (Confederate flag not at half staff) on: June 19, 2015, 10:18:52 pm
To fly it at half mast might be seen as endowing it with contemporary legitimacy in a way it doesn't deserve.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: FDA Trans-fat Ban is a Conservation Threat to Forests in Southeast Asia on: June 19, 2015, 10:08:00 pm
Why does it have to be a choice between either using palm oil or keeping trans-fat in food?

Deforestation and the use of palm oil can be addressed on its own.  And, maybe pre-made pie crusts are just going to have a shorter self-life and are going to cost 80 cents more. 

The science is in on trans-fat.  It causes heart disease.  The Harvard School of Public Health says this could prevent 1 in 5 heart attack deaths in America.  That is a no-brainer.  You make the change and then you deal with the follow-on effects in a responsible way.


Yes, ideally we would do without both trans fats and unsustainably sourced palm oil, but policy needs to be done in the real world where we are far from this.  Positing that maybe we'll deal with the disastrous effects of our policies if we get around to it isn't good enough.  If we were to ban trans fats in a reasonable way, it would be done in concert with conservation measures and over a time frame that would allow for a transition to sustainable products. Does the FDA consider at all the ecological impacts of their regulation upon the nation's food supply?
94  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1983 General Election - Austrian Election Series on: June 19, 2015, 09:13:37 pm
So is NVP just a generic centrist party?  Who are they trying to appeal to?
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / FDA Trans-fat Ban is a Conservation Threat to Forests in Southeast Asia on: June 19, 2015, 09:08:46 pm
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The increased demand for palm oil—the leading replacement for trans fat—will likely lead to deforestation as wooded areas in the tropics are cleared to make way for palm oil plantations.

“It’s the single greatest immediate threat to tropical forests and wildlife,” said David Wilcove, Princeton University professor of public affairs and ecology and evolutionary biology, about palm oil. “It is the leading cause of deforestation and has been for a number of years.”

When the trans fat ban takes effect in three years, experts say that palm oil will be the clear alternative for food producers. In 2006, the FDA enacted a rule that manufacturers label trans fat on food products—and palm oil imports the United States jumped by 60%. The number will be much larger this time around, experts say.

http://time.com/3927023/trans-fat-ban-deforestation/
96  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Narendra Modi on: June 18, 2015, 07:05:47 pm

Is he auditioning for the History Channel?

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“We worship Lord Ganesha. There must have been some plastic surgeon at that time who got an elephant’s head on the body of a human being and began the practice of plastic surgery.”
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeb Bush rejects God on: June 18, 2015, 06:48:20 pm
So most religious politicians pick and mix their supposed "divine" beliefs to back up their preconceived thoughts. Who'd have thunk it?

(And yes lefty religionists do this as well.  It's a two way street. Still intensely amusing to see people like Sicoko Santorum suddenly lose his pious warbling when it comes in conflict with the donors)

Faith in climate change is not a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. If Francis publicly proclaimed his preference for Pepsi over Coca-Cola, Catholics would not be obliged to drink it.

But here's the thing. Frannie isn't just saying "oh it would be super nice if we built some solar panels Smiley Smiley" - he's making it out that Catholics have a moral imperative to fight Climate Change.

What makes that different from previous Catholic indictments to fight the scourge of abortion, which Jeb and Rick so stridently support?

The Catholic position on abortion was dogmatically and infallibly defined in Evangelium Vitae. We won't know if the new encyclical does the same for climate change until we can actually read it.

The Pope's authority to teach infallible doctrine ex cathedra only extends to issues of morality and faith but his statements about humanity's duty to protect the environment could be interpreted as a moral teaching and therefore one that binds Catholics. I think that this has always been a tacitly held belief by Catholics, though. I believe that Bush, Santorum etc. would only be in conflict with Church teaching if he publicly stated that the environment wasn't worth preserving.

The encyclical won't. It can't really and the reason is because the entire concept of global warming is fundamentally a scientific question. The pope will almost undoubtedly say that the scientific consensus is that global warming is real and cause by carbon emissions. We may go so far as to say that given this consensus we have a moral duty to act. But an infallible declaration of man-caused global warning would be a radical departure of the Catholic teachings on faith and reason, and that of science in general. The Catholic Church teaches that faith and reason both lead us to the truth, and that science and the faith are not contradictory. If the Pope were to start making dogmatic decrees about science the entire framework would become incredibly messed up. It will likely be similar to how it is sinful to drop an anvil on someone's head even though the Catholic Church makes no dogmatic declaration about the existence of gravity. I suspect the Pope will also have some language about how science must be open to debate etc etc. The leaked draft was 191 pages long so he'll probably say pretty much everything related to the topic consistent with his views on the social effects of global warming and the Catholic Church's teachings.

As for the quotes here, Jeb's is awful theology and Santorum's is coherent and reasonable.

The scientific dependent aspects of this are like taking a position on whether certain forms of birth control are abortiaficient as opposed to being against birth control for reasons having to do with theology of the body or being against abortion due to sanctity of life (not that the scientific validity of the the statements would be necessarily similar).
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of the following statements is more accurate in your opinion? on: June 18, 2015, 11:02:03 am
Someone's "real life" personality is something of a performance as well.
99  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1948 Conventions (The Hearse at Monticello) on: June 17, 2015, 10:08:45 pm
Taft/Vandenburg
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would serve in a Bernie Sanders cabinet? on: June 17, 2015, 02:12:41 am
Chaka Fattah is a great name for a Cabinet Secretary.   HUD probably.   
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