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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: So John Kasich is an ex-Catholic on: August 13, 2015, 09:49:49 am
This Pawlenty fan boy would never in a trillion years vote for Kasich.

Pawlenty is still effectively Catholic and converted for his wife. Iirc, "Courage to Stand" spoke proudly about the mix of Catholics and Lutherans and the great heritages of Minnesotans.

Kasich is barely religious. Fyi, brtd - his wiki "There's always going to be a part of me that considers myself a Catholic"

Is that not what we've been saying all along. You're losing the argument by bringing this up.

Kasich "barely religious"Huh     and you won't vote for him b/c of this???   

Fine "barely" was clearly too strong and that certainly isn't the whole cause. Forgive me - I saw BRTD + Cultural Catholicism

I mean, the guy is constantly talking about how his faith has helped carry him through his personal trials and how we are all God's children.
77  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: The Folly of Progressive Taxation on: August 13, 2015, 09:43:00 am
It's a good point you make about the value of investment that is ignored by the "fleece the rich" crowd.   But consumption (and, where they are able, investment) by poor and middle income folks also funds and enables investments by businesses and the wealthy. 

Low taxes, yes.   But the taxes that exist should be progressive, simply because the more wealthy are more able to pay a large portion of their income without hardship.
78  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hassan signs law requiring criminals to face their victim's families on: August 13, 2015, 09:29:30 am
How could you guys possibly oppose this? It's not forcing the families to say anything, it's forcing the criminal to see what they have done. I am glad my step-uncles killer got to hear the victim's widow "cry bitch whine and moan" at him for a half hour.
Whether you think this is appropriate depends upon whether you think the primary purpose of the criminal justice system is to punish, contain, or reform criminals. While forcing the criminal to be pilloried accomplishes the first, it does nothing for the second and it is debatable whether it helps or impedes the goal of reform. That said, I'm somewhat old school and wouldn't mind seeing the pillory and the stocks brought back for minor offenses, provided the convicted are kept from being physically harmed by the onlookers. It was the failure to do that in all cases that led to their abandonment.

Facing one's victim's would be a lot more of an inspiration to reform than just about anything I can think of, and may provide a way for the victim/family to come to terms with the situation and even enable the process of forgiving and reconciliation if that is something they are willing to do.
I don't know that it would be appropriate in all cases, but in general this is a good idea.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: So John Kasich is an ex-Catholic on: August 13, 2015, 09:14:16 am
This Pawlenty fan boy would never in a trillion years vote for Kasich.

Pawlenty is still effectively Catholic and converted for his wife. Iirc, "Courage to Stand" spoke proudly about the mix of Catholics and Lutherans and the great heritages of Minnesotans.

Kasich is barely religious. Fyi, brtd - his wiki "There's always going to be a part of me that considers myself a Catholic"

Is that not what we've been saying all along. You're losing the argument by bringing this up.

Kasich "barely religious"Huh     and you won't vote for him b/c of this???   
80  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who should own the North Pole? on: August 12, 2015, 09:14:39 pm
how big is the North Pole?
81  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Combating Global Warming -How Much Are You Willing to Pay? on: August 11, 2015, 10:11:13 pm
No. The idea that people need to pay higher utility bills in order to combat is a false dichotomy, and the reason why I'm not a fan of schemes like the carbon tax. The most efficient way to combat the energy sector's impacts on climate change is to nationalize the sector.

what difference does that make?

Wrote that post in a bit of a hurry, so I didn't have time to explain my full thoughts on the matter.

While the transition to renewable energy is obviously necessary, it would be much more inefficient and difficult to accomplish under private ownership. Companies have to be incentivized to operate in a more environmentally friendly way and will not do so until it is profitable for them. The existence of private oil companies and their lobbying is a huge hindrance to that, and if non-renewable energy sources were to be banned under privately owned energy, it would leave many out of work. This is all in addition to the high utility costs that come with many proposed solutions to climate change.

Nationalization of the entire sector would allow the government to rapidly shift to renewable energy while phasing out non-renewables, instead of trying to persuade private institutions to do so. The government could ensure that employees whose jobs are elminated would be provided with other jobs before their's are removed. And since heating and whatnot are one of life's most basic necessities, I already support providing all with energy free of charge (or at least at a reduced and reasonable rate until free energy is feasible), which could be accomplished with planned control of the sector.

So, rationing?

One of the things about free or inexpensive energy is that it there is no financial inventive to conserve energy.  The transition to renewables is a large project without a single, clear path, so a rapid replacement is not something that can be counted on.  And even then, the environmental cost even of renewable energy is not zero, when you consider the impact upon the land and waterways of solar panels, wind farms, hydraulic plants, etc., so there will still be a need for conservation and wise use.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Paul: Trump's kids never worked at Pizza Hut on: August 11, 2015, 09:54:24 pm
This is the worst attack yet. Why would he do this? Does he want to be known as a brash asshole? He's not doing a lot to help his image as a candidate that can govern.

It was a response to Trump calling him a spoiled brat.  One which was awkward and unnecessary, which is a thing Rand has at times shown himself too much of an expert at.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul and Abortion on: August 11, 2015, 09:50:19 pm
I'm perplexed why Rand Paul is against abortion.  To the extent his is a libertarian, one would think that he would let the individual decide for herself whether to abort a pregnancy.  I did note that Ron Paul was also pro-life which also seems counter to a libertarian approach. 

For Rand, running in Kentucky as a pro-choicer would be a ticket to defeat, but I wouldn't have thought of Rand Paul as one who would be inclined to take pragmatic approaches to various controversial issues.

I'm curious to see what others think.

If he believes it is taking a human life, then is what is the contradiction?  I mean, so long as he's not saying he's going to wiretap the phones of pregnant women to make sure the don't call an abortion clinic...
84  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children? on: August 11, 2015, 09:21:34 pm
cool name, but is it anything other than a facebook page full of awful memes?
85  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following terms would you use to describe your ideology? on: August 11, 2015, 09:19:58 pm
anarchist green libertarian christian democratic conservative.

In what way?

in the sense of an interest in exploring and promoting non-state and non-coercive forms of political organization.  like the other terms I checked, it is not a rigid ideological commitment.
86  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following terms would you use to describe your ideology? on: August 11, 2015, 07:11:53 pm
anarchist green libertarian christian democratic conservative.
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ferguson protests attracting "Oath Keepers" on: August 11, 2015, 06:53:59 pm
What's the deal with these thugs? Are they aspiring to be the KKK of the 21st century?

Sure, just like when the KKK was telling black people they have 2nd amendment rights and encouraging them to arm themselves.
88  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Combating Global Warming -How Much Are You Willing to Pay? on: August 11, 2015, 11:21:17 am
No. The idea that people need to pay higher utility bills in order to combat is a false dichotomy, and the reason why I'm not a fan of schemes like the carbon tax. The most efficient way to combat the energy sector's impacts on climate change is to nationalize the sector.

what difference does that make?
89  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Combating Global Warming -How Much Are You Willing to Pay? on: August 10, 2015, 11:57:12 pm
Who here is willing to put their money where their mouth is?  If this problem is as big as you make it out to be, surely there would be no limit to what you would do to fight it.   

Not so much a matter of putting your money where your mouth is, as it still costs nothing to vote yes in an internet poll.   In the abstract, I can support it.  But does anyone have a clue how much more an increase in price would make sense, and what the likelihood and magnitude of any possible difference it will make?
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Question about the Buckley brothers on: August 10, 2015, 11:28:34 pm
James was the one with the personality and interests better suited to electoral politics.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1944: President Willkie vs. former President Roosevelt on: August 10, 2015, 11:20:23 pm


Willkie/Warren  52.3%  348
FDR/Truman     47.1%  183
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senate Democrats reject justice department nominee Debo Adegbile on: August 09, 2015, 08:47:37 am
Isn't Pennsylvania basically Philly and Pittsburgh with Mississippi in between? Tongue

No.

lol I read this whole thread again thinking there was some new development. 

how'd you randomly come upon this thread, crazi?
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2015 Federal Special Election - At-large Senate on: August 09, 2015, 12:27:35 am
[1] Altsomn Stmarken (JoMCaR) of Maine
Federalist Party

[2] Harry S Truman of Indiana
The People's Party
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why are the Republican candidates so ideologically rigid? on: August 08, 2015, 02:13:12 pm
It seems as though on issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage, as well as Union busting, the Republicans accept absolutely no compromise. It's getting to the point where it seems as though a candidate would be tarred and feathered at a debate if he said he was pro-choice.

On the Democratic side, sure, there are a few "third rails" like Social Security, but on most issues, there is a fair amount of debate.

This is getting where it's like the House Gag Rule about slavery before the Civil War. It's actually kind of scary because this means that a relatively small amount of voters in primaries can "enforce" their principles on every nominee.

Oh yes, that Democratic candidate who opposes abortion rights and gay marriage and wants to bust up unions.  What's his name again?   If you want to support your claim, those are some odd examples.

Primaries are like gag rules on slavery?  Is this a serious post?
Let me start with your second point, because it made no sense.

I didn't say PRIMARIES are like gag rules. I said the Republican base was creating a House Gag Rule by becoming intellectually rigid. Not all primaries were like this. Also, it's an analogy. They aren't exactly the same, but this rigidity is this era's gag rule. Republicans are not allowed to say certain things anymore.

Also, Democrats vary from Cuomo to Sanders to everything in between. Republicans have very little divide on economic issues. And at least a Democrat could say he's pro life and have some amount of hope to win the nomination. Republicans would burn the guys house down.

Republicans are allowed to say things, they just might not get elected if they do because people don't agree with them.  To compare this to a gag rule is an entirely spurious analogy.

No pro-life Democrat can get the nomination. There is no chance for it, and hasn't been for a long time.  Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, Dick Gephardt, Jesse Jackson... what do all of these guys have in common?  They used to be pro-life, and by the time they sought out the presidential nomination they had changed their minds. This is not all just a coincidence.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Rand Paul Done? on: August 08, 2015, 08:56:27 am
I like the reaction to the Paul vs. Christie thing, people who agree with Rand think he won, but people who are wrong agree with Christie think he won. Really, they both kind of looked like snarky kids in a yelling contest, to me; neither really showed that well.

What Rand needs to do is reconnect with the Ron Paul Revolution. You can't mainstream or triangulate a revolution. You'll never get the conservatives or moderates to vote for you over Cruz or Walker/Jeb or Kasich, so the only strategy for a pro-constitution/pro-liberty candidate is to max out the libertarian vote and hope for the best.

I agree with Paul, but Christie won that exchange.  The Christie hugging Obama line just reeked of desperation and Christie had a devastation comeback.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why are the Republican candidates so ideologically rigid? on: August 08, 2015, 08:52:11 am
It seems as though on issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage, as well as Union busting, the Republicans accept absolutely no compromise. It's getting to the point where it seems as though a candidate would be tarred and feathered at a debate if he said he was pro-choice.

On the Democratic side, sure, there are a few "third rails" like Social Security, but on most issues, there is a fair amount of debate.

This is getting where it's like the House Gag Rule about slavery before the Civil War. It's actually kind of scary because this means that a relatively small amount of voters in primaries can "enforce" their principles on every nominee.

Oh yes, that Democratic candidate who opposes abortion rights and gay marriage and wants to bust up unions.  What's his name again?   If you want to support your claim, those are some odd examples.

Primaries are like gag rules on slavery?  Is this a serious post?
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How bad was Scott Walker's answer regarding abortion during the Debate? on: August 08, 2015, 01:08:46 am
It sounds even weirder given the discussion was about him not even wanting to give women abortions to save their lives.

What alternative is he promoting to women? Death in childbirth?

Abortion is actually never necessary in order to save a mother's life:

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/11/is-abortion-ever-necessary-to-save-the-life-of-the-mother/

Then explain this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

We won't even get into ectopic pregnancies.

Did you even read his article? They directly address ectopic pregnancies, and the point is those kind of procedures aren't considered abortions.

This amounts to a semantic argument about what constitutes an abortion.  If Walker does not consider such procedures to be true abortions, he needed to say so.  He could say something like "If something needs to be done to save the mother's life, even if it ends up taking the unborn child's life in the process, it's a tragedy, but it is not in the same category as an abortion."  But that's not what Walker said.  He said something about other alternatives always being possible, which just sounds like wishful thinking. Hopefully someday there are no life-threatening pregnancies, but we are not there yet.
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Sen. Schumer (D-NY) to oppose Iran deal on: August 08, 2015, 12:16:39 am
Are Jews in New York really that opposed to the deal, or is this more about the  influence of AIPAC, etc.?

I suppose the large majority of NY Jews are very liberal so the latter is the correct answer.

Most are quite liberal.  However, NY Jews are more conservative than Jews in America overall, due to the large concentration of Orthodox/Hasidic/Haredi populations in southern Brooklyn and Rockland/Orange.

C.f., well, NYJew (remember him?)

plenty of liberal hawks in NY though, aren't there?
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich is a truly lame person on: August 08, 2015, 12:14:29 am
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/07/28/john-kasich-vs-pop-culture/30802993/

LOL what a dumbass. Of course he was right to throw out that hip-hop CD but for completely different reasons.

The Roots are not lame, but on the whole neither is Kasich.

If he is that overly dramatic over a CD, think of how he'd react to foreign policy issues.
With a statement like that, couldn't the same be said of you?
100  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas vs. AAD? on: August 07, 2015, 11:30:30 am
the pro-Trump, anti-Kasich schtick bandwagon on AAD is getting pretty exhausting.

Atlas' discussion of the 2016 race on the other hand is just flat out boring.

The idea that AAD is specifically "anti-Kasich" I don't understand. AAD loves Trump because he is the only thing at the moment making any of this depressing nonsense entertaining and so, in that way, enjoyable. I enjoy the race for its own sake, but Trump is a million times more fun to watch than Kasich right now. Keep in mind that we are over a year out from the actual election, please! All of this is embarrassing American rubbish at the moment and ought to be enjoyed purely as a ridiculous spectacle.

Trump is a billion times more fun to watch than Hillary and yet many of the AAD regulars can't keep themselves from drooling over her.  I can't help but think that a lot of what is going on is salivation over the idea of the Republicans nominating someone unelectable, and Kasich interferes with Democratic inevitability.
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