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76  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 21, 2016, 02:27:37 pm
Ironic because its supposed to be against oppression but banning a type of clothing is exactly that. If people choose to wear them and they're comfortable with it, that's fine. What it instead does is piss Muslim women off who want to wear it and sends a message to them that the west is uncomfortable with Islam. Its leftist intolerance.

Is it? Seems like these types of things usually get the most support from right wing secular nationalist types. 

Most people who would be for it are for progressive reasons, progress. The burka is a traditional outfit, therefore I would think conservatives would not be the ones to want to ban it. Not saying all leftists support banning it, and I'm sure you'll find right wingers supporting it for different wrong reasons too.

No. The real reason for it is Islamophobia. While there are left-wingers who support it, they only do so in an (obviously failed) attempt to chase after the votes of the right and far-right, who are the real proponents of these policies. The idea that this has anything to do with social-liberalism (or even with "la´citÚ") is ludicrous.

Is it? They are using the exact same arguments for the exact same kinds of policies. The xenophobic motive here is obvious, but why would that be inconsistent with a progressive ideology?  If the main concern is social progress, gender equality, secularism, etc, as opposed to pluralism, why wouldn't you seek to exclude culture that has the same characteristics as those you are trying to change in your own society?

Because most progressives are generally aware of which policies actually help to further the causes they care about, as opposed to policies that just serve to further alienate people you're trying to bring over to your values.

Most of us agree that, in an ideal world, no religion should serve as an excuse promote patriarchal notions of "modesty" and dictate what's acceptable for women to wear. The point is how you get people who have been socialized in a viciously patriarchal context to reject this worldview, and it's ridiculous to claim that these bans help.

You think that progressives are generally very concerned with not alienating people they consider to hold regressive views?  Is that why they so often mock and shame such people, try to shut down their businesses, get them fired, or don't trust them with educating their children? 
The reason progressives aren't going after women who wear burkas is simply because they are minorities who are feared by right-wingers, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.   Short of that and I can only suspect the attitude would be the same as the Kemalists toward expressions of traditional Islam, or the Calles Law or the Spanish 1931 Constitution against expressions of Catholicism.
77  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 21, 2016, 01:21:04 pm
Ironic because its supposed to be against oppression but banning a type of clothing is exactly that. If people choose to wear them and they're comfortable with it, that's fine. What it instead does is piss Muslim women off who want to wear it and sends a message to them that the west is uncomfortable with Islam. Its leftist intolerance.

Is it? Seems like these types of things usually get the most support from right wing secular nationalist types. 

Most people who would be for it are for progressive reasons, progress. The burka is a traditional outfit, therefore I would think conservatives would not be the ones to want to ban it. Not saying all leftists support banning it, and I'm sure you'll find right wingers supporting it for different wrong reasons too.

No. The real reason for it is Islamophobia. While there are left-wingers who support it, they only do so in an (obviously failed) attempt to chase after the votes of the right and far-right, who are the real proponents of these policies. The idea that this has anything to do with social-liberalism (or even with "la´citÚ") is ludicrous.

Is it? They are using the exact same arguments for the exact same kinds of policies. The xenophobic motive here is obvious, but why would that be inconsistent with a progressive ideology?  If the main concern is social progress, gender equality, secularism, etc, as opposed to pluralism, why wouldn't you seek to exclude culture that has the same characteristics as those you are trying to change in your own society?
78  General Politics / Economics / Would a Georgian Land Value Tax harm conservation? on: August 21, 2016, 01:05:59 pm
Would a Georgian Land Value Tax harm conservation and limit the presence of green space?

It seems to me that it very well could, if I am understanding it right, at least if it is a major source of tax revenue.  Since the tax is on the value of unimproved land, it would mean that a green space, or a wetlands or other natural habitat, would be taxed just as much as an industrial park in the same place.   So there is just that much more incentive for a landowner to convert the space to economically productive uses. Indeed, it may even be necessary in order for the landowner to pay the tax.
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Milo Yiannoplous deposits $100K for charity directly in his personal account on: August 21, 2016, 12:33:34 pm
lesson: Never give money to a charity that is trying to make an edgy statement.  They'll forget all about the cause and the people they were claiming to help once the next edgy thing comes along.
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2016 House of Representative Elections on: August 20, 2016, 09:11:06 pm
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS

[6] 1184AZ of Washington
Labor Party

[4] Abraham Washington of New York
United Alternative

[2] ClarkKent of Connecticut
Federalist Party

[9] Classic Conservative of Texas
Federalist Party

[] Clyde1998 of Massachusetts
Labor Party

[5] dfwlibertylover of Texas
Federalist Party

[] evergreen of Illinois
Labor Party

[3] JohanusCalvinusLibertas of Indiana
Federalist Party

[7] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party

[10] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party

[8] Santander of Alabama
Federalist Party

[1] Shua of Alaska
Freedom and Solidarity Party

[] Talleyrand of Texas
Nationalist Party
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What are these candidates going to do about interest on the debt? on: August 20, 2016, 06:36:05 pm
Clinton's plan on the debt is far more realistic and responsible - creating new programs and infrastructure while raising taxes on the wealthy. I think the deficit will go down over the course of the Clinton years if she sticks to her plans, not go up.

Trump's plans will rapidly expand the debt beyond levels we previously knew possible. I know because that's exactly what happened when Ronald Reagan became President. Trump and Reagan are saying the same on their fiscal policy - promise the public the entire world, without a way to pay for it.

Clinton plans to spend a lot more than her tax increases will raise, so I expect the debt to go up substantially if she gets her way.  More responsible than Trump's plans, yes, but that's a low bar.
82  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Do you support interracial marriage? on: August 20, 2016, 03:03:37 pm
Do you support interracial marriage?




Yes in the 2nd case, no in the first.  He doesn't look like a good fit for her.  Maybe if he grew his hair out and wore a different shirt.
83  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Ayn Rand on: August 20, 2016, 02:57:09 pm
Could be good at criticizing collectivism, but awful when it came to what she offered instead.
84  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Racist Moderators on: August 20, 2016, 02:26:34 pm
German and French Catholics were always white in America.   Irish, Slavic and South European Catholics (esp from Southern Italy) were a different matter.


I am honored to have a whole thread dedicated to me and my racism. At least, to the best of my knowledge, my anti-semitism has not deserved a whole thread up till now Smiley

BTW, are Jews white? What about Catholics? Feel kind of ridiculous having to explain such obvious things.

Not monolithically

Indeed.

I never realized Beta Jews were an actual thing.  So who are the Alpha Jews?
85  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: If you were living in Austria ... on: August 20, 2016, 01:48:10 pm
No way.   If they were fining or prosecuting gay couples for holding hands in public it would be different, since that would be a comparable situation.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1019 - Maximum Sentences for Marijuana Act of 2016 on: August 20, 2016, 01:36:12 pm
Can we substitute a flat legalization through amendment, or would that require a separate bill?
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What are these candidates going to do about interest on the debt? on: August 20, 2016, 01:30:53 pm
They haven't the slightest intention of doing anything about this. 
88  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 19, 2016, 10:32:11 pm
The browns Muslims are an existential threat to the French value/right of freedom of religion, so clearly the French should take away the Muslims' right to freedom of religion. Can't imagine how that could ever (further) alienate and marginalize a deeply religious minority community that is already alienated and marginalized (and literally ostracized, in many cases) from French society!

I don't think anyone is claiming Muslims are a threat to any French freedom of religion (which would imply that is something that actually exists).
89  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Poster boys for white privilege lie and denigrate Brazil on: August 19, 2016, 10:20:06 pm
Given his inebriated state, general cluelessness, and what I can only imagine is not a firm grasp of Portuguese, is it possible he thought he was being robbed?
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the US Subsidize Pharmacy Companies? on: August 19, 2016, 10:13:06 pm
For those curious, this is my source of that number.

http://usuncut.com/class-war/10-corporate-welfare-programs-that-will-make-your-blood-boil/

We don't SPEND 270b, I should have worded that better, but that's overall the effect so to speak

Okay, sounds like a lot of that is questionable to call "subsidies," but rather are policies that allow drug companies to make billions by driving up prices while benefiting from millions in govt funded research.  But that should be changed, yes, through some form of patent reform.
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the US Subsidize Pharmacy Companies? on: August 19, 2016, 02:17:31 pm
Big Pharma collectively makes about 712 billion a year, and yet we shell out an average of 270 billion in subsidies from taxpayers. Should we continue to subsidize them? That's like half the deficit right there.

I'm guessing most of this is from Medicare, Medicaid, insurance subsidies, etc?
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / shua's pitch for the House on: August 19, 2016, 01:38:05 pm
In my longstanding tradition of last minute campaign efforts, here's my pitch for re-election to the House.

I've been one of the most active members of the House since NCYankee asked me to step in mid-term. I've contributed amendments which I think most of those on both the right and the left would agree have improved the bills that have been put forward. I value my independence as a politician and a legislator.  I'm a conservative, small government person, but not an ideologue.   I'm concerned both by the abuses of big business and those of big government. I want to craft policies that recognize the full dignity and complexity of each human being.  I want to allow us all to reach our potential, while at the same time being responsible to the future in the use of our resources: financial, environmental, and cultural.

I hope you will consider a vote for me this weekend.
93  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the "Sane Progressive" on: August 19, 2016, 10:42:09 am
FF for showing how ridiculous people who call themselves "sane" are.
94  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Will Trump win the white vote in your city? on: August 19, 2016, 09:49:26 am
Romney narrowly won the white vote in Norfolk.  I expect Trump will narrowly lose it.
95  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should it be legal to kill poachers if necessary to save endangered animals? on: August 19, 2016, 09:28:44 am
If they start shooting at you as you try to stop them.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1022 - Atlasian Energy Independence Act of 2016 on: August 19, 2016, 12:32:38 am
Nay
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1013 - National Right to Life Act on: August 19, 2016, 12:32:10 am
Aye
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 1024 - Conservagreen Brigade Terrorist Designation Act on: August 17, 2016, 11:39:10 pm
I guess my main problem with this then is the ability to designate someone as a terrorist without evidence linking them to a specific act or attempted act of terror.  But, perhaps that is a larger issue than just this bill.
99  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion on 'burkini' ban? on: August 17, 2016, 12:04:54 pm
Do you agree with 'burkini' swimsuits ban in some French regions?
I generally support it because I think it is unhygienic.


compared to what?
100  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: August 17, 2016, 11:47:26 am
Philly.
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