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76  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you support this proposal to deal with Julian Assange? on: October 24, 2016, 01:04:30 am
Unrealistic. I think audiences will walk out unsatisified at the end of the movie.
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: A religion poll on: October 23, 2016, 11:59:40 pm
Also, isn't universalism as a theological position compatible with the doctrine of Orthodoxy and with those of most Protestant denominations? The only one that explicitly denies it is Catholicism, as far as I understand.

Catholicism in its general modern-day form is indeed compatible with universalism - or at least with the hope that all might be eventually saved. But it isn't compatible with most (though not all) interpretations of fundamentalist or very conservative Protestantism.
Even then it's not entirely incompatible with Fundamentalist doctrine depending upon the form of Universalism one holds to. At it's core, Christian Universalism, holds that all can be saved and none will spend eternity in torment. However, besides Universal Reconciliation (all will eventually be saved), Annihilationism (those who reject salvation will be utterly destroyed) is compatible with the doctrine that all can be saved, and to my mind is more in keeping with the Biblical texts, as well as free will. While I hold that Christ made/makes/will make one last attempt to save the dead (outside linear time, yet simultaneously during the period between the crucifixion and  resurrection) I can think of no greater torment that one could inflict upon those who cannot be freely persuaded to accept Grace than to force them into it, leaving Annihilation as the kinder alternative.

That's surprising as I've never before heard anyone consider that to be a form of Universalism as opposed to something distinct from it.
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your Ballot on: October 23, 2016, 07:28:21 pm
Presidential: write-in Michael Maturen and Juan Muñoz  (As an elector for them I will in a sense be voting for myself!)
VA-3: Marty Williams (R)
"Right to Work" Amendment:  Nay
property tax exemption Amendment for random sympathetic group of persons: I might leave this blank

I hate these. If the tax code is going to be made more complicated, it should be done with the goal of generating some kind of economically desirable policy outcome. It shouldn't be used as what amounts to a giveway for Disabled Widows of Firefighters Who Only Drive Their Cars Once a Week to Church to Read to the Blind.

I'm not sure I agree with that, but I generally think if the legislature wants to do something like this they should let the locality collect the property tax and then the state can reimburse the person directly. I may vote Nay on that basis.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The rise and rise of Evan McMullin (formerly Egg McMuffin) on: October 23, 2016, 03:34:33 pm
A poll for Arkansas is going to be released soon.  And McMullin just got endorsed by the speaker of the house here.  Lets see if he can get above 1% and Jill Stein, which shouldn't be too hard.

Isn't the Green Party strong (relatively speaking) in Arkansas?
The last poll taken in September had Stein at .5%.  So it shouldn't be too hard to get over that.

Intrerestlng. I just looked up the GP of Arkansas. They managed to elect someone to the lower house, which is what I was thinking of. Hopefully the poll includes McMullin.

Green Party is relatively strong at local and state races, often going against somewhat right-leaning Democrats. National politics is a different dynamic.
80  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What views did you once think were abhorrent but now support? on: October 23, 2016, 03:18:11 pm
- That irrational and contradictory views are not only unavoidable, but an essential part of what it means to be a living, breathing, subjective human being with these things called feelings, beliefs, emotions, and values

how true.

That addressing economic inequality as such (and not just poverty in absolute terms) is a legitimate object of public policy.

Really glad to hear you've come round on this!

I still don't like the way a lot of the rhetoric on this issue comes across to me as barely concealed envy, but I increasingly buy into the argument that widely dispersed economic power is necessary to the health of a free society.
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: October 23, 2016, 02:24:00 pm
I know everything in all communities. I'm friends with all cultures.

I love this so much.
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of TJ in Cleve on: October 23, 2016, 02:17:31 pm
TJ's brand of Republicanism is the type of brand that spiraled out of control and gave us the more annoying elements of the Trump movement. I don't think he gets a pass for being a "reasonable Republican" when he represents politically the worst leftovers of the Bush decade.

I'm kinda curious what this post could possibly be about Huh
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What views did you once think were abhorrent but now support? on: October 23, 2016, 01:50:26 pm
The idea that men and women might have different contributions to society and that there are some contexts where they should be treated differently.

That addressing economic inequality as such (and not just poverty in absolute terms) is a legitimate object of public policy.

Protectionism. I'm still mostly a free trader, but I now think there are legitimate reasons for a country to favor domestic industry in some circumstances.

84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: A religion poll on: October 23, 2016, 01:13:40 pm
Other Christian - More specifically an Adoptionist Christian Universalist with Daoist philosophy added in as well.  The only criticism I'll levy about the poll is that the Unitarian option should have been Unitarian Universalist.

If my understanding is correct, unitarianism can go without universalism and vice-versa.

Yes, but too many people, and not just the OP, if that is what he meant, use Unitarian as shorthand for a Unitarian Universalist. As one who if the two associations were separated would certainly be a Universalist and certainly not a Unitarian, it's a pet peeve of mine, but I don't particularly fault TDAS04 for that, as it is a common mistake. The numbers of unaffiliated Unitarian or Universalist churches is small enough that in a poll of this sort, Unitarian Universalism should be the option unless one wants to get bogged down in the details.

I see, fair enough.

Also, isn't universalism as a theological position compatible with the doctrine of Orthodoxy and with those of most Protestant denominations? The only one that explicitly denies it is Catholicism, as far as I understand.

Catholicism in its general modern-day form is indeed compatible with universalism - or at least with the hope that all might be eventually saved. But it isn't compatible with most (though not all) interpretations of fundamentalist or very conservative Protestantism.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will receive more votes (nationwide)? on: October 23, 2016, 01:01:26 am
Voter participation was low enough in the Deep South in '48 that total votes in SC+MS+AL were about equal to UT+ID that year in spite of having 3.5x the EVs.
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: A religion poll on: October 22, 2016, 05:09:02 pm
Methodist to the extent I identify or have membership in any particular denomination.

btw, Quaker, Pentecostal and Seventh Day Adventist are Protestant too.
87  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your Ballot on: October 22, 2016, 04:55:36 pm
Presidential: write-in Michael Maturen and Juan Muñoz  (As an elector for them I will in a sense be voting for myself!)
VA-3: Marty Williams (R)
"Right to Work" Amendment:  Nay
property tax exemption Amendment for random sympathetic group of persons: I might leave this blank
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your 2016 presidential ballot under STV on: October 22, 2016, 04:41:17 pm
Maturen*
Kotlikoff*
Johnson
McMullin
Castle
Smith*
Stein
Clinton
Trump

(*VA write-in candidates. There are others but I don't know anything about them.)


89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Obama Approaching Eisenhower Levels of Popularity, Best Leading Indicator? on: October 22, 2016, 04:26:49 pm
When the nominee is 15-20 points less popular than the current president, I guess it is indicative of something, yes.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why was HRC invited to the Al Smith Dinner? on: October 22, 2016, 12:35:35 am
It was never a policy in a way that was either consistent or explicit. In the past when they haven't had one candidate they didn't have the other either. That might have been a good idea this year.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bronz Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, Bigoted and Just Plain Awful Posts VI on: October 22, 2016, 12:21:20 am
I don't support gay marriage. Civil union yes. Marriage no.
I think gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children either.

I think gay campaign groups have to much money and influence on politics today.

Am I homophobic?

I think that these kinds of questions can be answered by taking the original question and applying it to other groups. Is not supporting women's sufferage ... sexist?

This really isn't applicable unless you think gays shouldn't be allowed to vote.

We are putting statements that should be self-evident in this thread now too?
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2016 Federal Election on: October 22, 2016, 12:04:57 am
PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF ATLASIA

[2] Blair2015/Kingpoleon
Labor Party/United Alternative

[1] North Carolina Yankee/Rpryor03
Federalist Party/United Alternative

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS

[  ] EarlAW/Hatman of Ontario
Washburnist Socialist Revolutionary Party

[4 ] Enduro of Pennsylvania
Federalist Party

[  ] Fitzgerald of Montana
Labor Party

[2  ] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party

[  ] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party

[1  ] Republitarian/Goldwater of California
Federalist Party

[7  ] Santander of Alabama
Federalist Party

[5  ] SecureAmerica/Heisenberg of New Mexico
Federalist Party

[8 ] Siren of Puerto Rico
Independent

[6  ] Southern Gothic/White Trash of Louisiana
Labor Party

[3 ] tedbessell of California
Federalist Party

[  ] None of the above
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you rather live in Portugal or Brazil? on: October 20, 2016, 09:38:18 pm
One of the most sober country vs one of the less sober country.

Depends on my mood I guess, but then you can't live somewhere according to ur mood.

Well Brazilian accent definitely is fancy.

one of these countries is sober?
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Am I A Troll? on: October 20, 2016, 09:36:57 pm
I don't know you from atom, but Brambilla sounds like a good troll name to me.
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How do you pay your car insurance? on: October 20, 2016, 09:34:34 pm
Wait you're supposed to pay it more than once ? Sad!
96  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Pray for this election! on: October 19, 2016, 06:20:24 pm
I might be repeating what others have said (new to the forum), but I would like to chime in.  I am a born again Christian.  I believe in God the Father and that he sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for us and our sins (not to condemn us all to hell).  Do we as Christians, REALLY live like Christ? No, we ALL fall short of the glory of God.  We ALL have sinned and need to ask forgiveness everyday.  With that being said, let me compare Trump and Hilary a little.  Trump-Pro-life.  Hilary-supports Pro-choice (while I understand it is a woman's right to do what she wishes with her body, it is STILL wrong to kill an unborn HUMAN being.  Let the child LIVE and put it up for adoption).  Trump-Cusses and degrades women (Not Christlike at all but has apologized and been remorseful).  Hillary-a liar and full of deceit(even the FBI has been involved-email scandal-makes you wonder what else she is hiding that could destroy humanity).  This is to just name a few.    Neither of them seem to be the right choice, but if you check the platforms and vote for your choice, whether or not you like either candidate, make your decision on what YOU believe in and what YOUR stance is on issues.  From what I've done based on my beliefs, Trump is the better candidate.  Do I really want to vote for him, not exactly. But I WON'T vote for Hillary.  I would prefer to do a write in candidate, but it won't matter anyway and I couldn't "complain" about who gets into office because I really didn't voice my opinion and vote.  Ask God to direct your decision!

Donald is neither pro-life nor remorseful.  As for prayer, yes we need it - prayers for our own sanity if nothing else.
97  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative or the reverse? on: October 19, 2016, 05:50:23 pm
burn these terms with fire.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Left Off Official Alaska Voter Guide After Missing Deadline on: October 17, 2016, 06:15:13 pm
People already know who Trump is, but Jill Stein benefits from being included.
99  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: ATTN DAVE: 2016 Endorsements on: October 17, 2016, 04:43:48 pm
Thanks Dave for doing this.   

My only suggestion is that we be able to endorse individual candidates in the LA Senate race, and not just by party.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump vs GOP megathread on: October 17, 2016, 12:45:44 am

"Little Trump" lol
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