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76  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you ever spend this much on toothpaste? on: August 13, 2014, 01:24:54 pm
"Mint free"??  Well what the hell does it taste like then?

Licorice in that case.

I get Tom's, either fennel or cinnamon-clove flavor.  I can't stand the non-natural toothpastes as the artificial sweeteners leave an awful aftertaste.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Democratic-Republican Party Convention, August 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 12:05:51 pm
Upon objection from the floor, voting for the At-Large Senate endorsement will be delayed 24 hours, and at this time I welcome all candidates who wish to court the endorsement of this party to speak here on the convention floor.

How about we put something in the thread title like "accepting endorsement requests "?
78  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you ever spend this much on toothpaste? on: August 12, 2014, 09:33:51 pm
If I wanted a particular kind for some reason, then sure, I'd be willing to.  It's not like I have to buy a tube every week.
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Martin Luther King Jr on: August 12, 2014, 08:43:10 pm
hp he is a far rightist who perpetuated to the oppression of blacks in america by not supporting the glorious socialist revolution
That doesn't really work, given that he actually supported socialism.

but not the glorious socialist revolution.
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Church cancels gay man's funeral on: August 12, 2014, 08:30:38 pm
But at least he didn't force them to bake a cake.
This is the same thing Huh

This man wasn't demanding baked goods from some stranger.  He was a member of the church community. He died.  They promised him and his family this one simple decent thing, and they rescinded.  This isn't just bigotry, it is betrayal.

Thankfully we can at least expect that another church that won't either consign him to Hell or be too cowardly to stand up for the most rudimentary tenets of the Gospel will step in here.

There are LGBT Christians who are betrayed on a daily basis, in life. There are people who do wonderful things for their church community; for fundraising, for kids, for music and education and they are betrayed when they enter into something joyful with another person. This is nothing new. Nor is the smugness in which people do this on the basis of 2014's big buzzword 'my sincerely held religious beliefs.' It gives you the right to be an asshole, with legal protection.

I still don't get the equivalence you are making here.  It is possible for someone to support inclusiveness, but also be willing to accept that there is a price to freedom of religion, association, and expression, and believe that it is worth it. 
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Vega on: August 12, 2014, 07:55:38 pm
Are you a vegan?

Why do you support David Icke for Governor?
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Mr. Illini on: August 12, 2014, 04:43:14 pm
was there a liberty141?
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1920: Wilson Vs. Harding on: August 12, 2014, 04:38:38 pm
Harding still wins, but not as big as in real life. However, Wilson is handily defeated:


Senator Warren G. Harding/Governor Calvin Coolidge - 345 EV. 54.3%
President Woodrow Wilson/Governor James M. Cox - 186 EV. 43.5%

Interesting map; assuming your scenario, it sounds about right.  But why the anomaly in Washington state?

I gave this state to Wilson because Harding carried it by a relatively close margin in real life. However, might be that he would have beaten Wilson in that state. The margin of victory is, however, still comfortable for the republican ticket.

Harding while only getting 56% of the vote carried Washington by a huge margin, due to the fact that the other candidates (Wilson and Christiansen) split the vote nearly evenly in the state (with a little left over for Debs). Wilson didn't even get a quarter of the vote.

I suspect that Wilson would do even worse than Cox.  Cox at least had the record as a successful governor, while Wilson's presidency was not seen as successful at this point.

I think the map looks more like this:
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Democratic-Republican Party Convention, August 2014 on: August 11, 2014, 12:16:38 pm
Basic income I'm fine with.   I don't quite understand drone enthusiasm. 

For marriage, I would go in a different direction, namely supporting recognition of marriages however people choose to form them. I definitely don't think state recognition of marriages is a bad thing even from a libertarian perspective as it is a protection of the relationship and property involved in a marriage from being interfered with by the government.
85  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Israeli marriage law on: August 11, 2014, 12:12:47 am
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She also notes that Israel's adoption and surrogacy laws require that adoptive parents be of the same ethnic group as the biological mother.
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/noahide_fiction/israelsfearofjewishgirlsdatingarabs.html

That is, if a child has a Jewish mother the child is not supposed to be adopted by a non-Jew.  The requirement has to do primarily with religion.  The exception, which is a major one, is that an observant Jew can adopt a child from a non-Jewish family if there is a conversion process.

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Parents adopting non-Jewish children in Israel may no longer have to prove an observant lifestyle as a condition for finalizing the adoption, under a bill approved on Sunday by the Ministerial Committee for Legislation. The bill would amend the Adoption Law.

The amendment would give the court approving the adoption the right to prefer the best interests of the child over religious considerations in the adoption process.

Under current law, Jewish parents who adopt a non-Jewish child are supposed to convert the child to Judaism through a special rabbinical court under the auspices of the rabbinate. The conversion becomes official only after a probation period set by the rabbinate, and the adoption does not become final until the conversion is completed.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.556076

I'm not sure what the status of that bill is.

The Jewish family law was mainly developed around a millennium and a half ago, when Jews were not in a position of authority over any other people  - so the attempt to use it in the context of a modern state with a pluralistic population is bound to run into difficulties.    It is at least I gather more flexible that Islamic adoption law.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of VP Windjammer on: August 10, 2014, 03:49:08 pm
So you decided your interpretation of the law on PPT election was incorrect?
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you know who the mother ... on: August 10, 2014, 03:36:39 pm
I thought this was going to say "... of your children is?"
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Israeli marriage law on: August 10, 2014, 03:31:07 pm
For all the criticism of places that haven't introduced gay marriage yet, Israel doesn't even recognize interracial marriages and is basically at the standards of most US states before 60s, rather than before the 00s.

I'm pretty sure marriages between black and white Jews are ok, just like between Christians, Muslims, etc. 
89  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which version of "Set Fire To The Rain" do you prefer? on: August 10, 2014, 12:17:14 am
wow, this band SycAmour is amazing. it takes a lot of talent to fit every awful trend from every contemporary genre into a single song. Smiley
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN: The news channel for people who have never looked at a map on: August 09, 2014, 09:50:38 pm
Who needs cartographers anymore?  We have computers for that!
91  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on these five Missouri ballot measures? on: August 09, 2014, 10:51:48 am
Amendment 1: No
Amendment 5: Yes
Amendment 7: No
Amendment 8: No
Amendment 9: Yes

Amendment 8 I would be on the fence about, but ultimately voted no, as the lottery does have an adverse effect on the poor. I have no moral problem with gambling (normal) but I believe lottery tickets may only increase poverty. However if it was an increase in income or property tax used to fund veterans' programs, it'd have my staunch support.
Why? Property taxes are generally regressive.

I would think that depends on the area. In many places the poor tend not to even own real estate, or if they do its at very low valuation, while the wealthier have very valuable estates.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Church cancels gay man's funeral on: August 09, 2014, 10:45:00 am
But at least he didn't force them to bake a cake.
This is the same thing Huh

This man wasn't demanding baked goods from some stranger.  He was a member of the church community. He died.  They promised him and his family this one simple decent thing, and they rescinded.  This isn't just bigotry, it is betrayal.

Thankfully we can at least expect that another church that won't either consign him to Hell or be too cowardly to stand up for the most rudimentary tenets of the Gospel will step in here.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pelosi chases Tom Marino (R-PA) across House floor on: August 06, 2014, 08:52:21 pm
Haha, the right-wingers in this thread are acting like she initiated something like this.

The Democrats in this thread are acting like she initiated something like this.
94  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on these five Missouri ballot measures? on: August 06, 2014, 02:10:19 pm
No on all except the fifth (Amendment 9). 

For amendment 1, I'm all for a instituting a constitutional right to farm, and we should fight the huge amount of awful regulations, but this is vague and seems driven by a right to pollute, right to cruel treatment of animals agenda.

95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Paul gets testy with reporter who confronts him on aid to Israel on: August 06, 2014, 01:20:38 pm
Sad that he has to resort to this, but he would never have a chance of winning otherwise.
If he's going to withdraw all our forces and commitments overseas, except for his support for Israel and financial gifts to them... then what is the point? Seriously?

Israel is a dealbreaker in GOP primaries.   Paul is just doing this so he can be tolerated by neocons.

Neocons aren't going support him just because of this, and his foreign policy seems ridiculous now.

It's not really about the neocons. There are plenty of Republicans who are generally not especially hawkish but are stridently pro-Israel.
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Study: 'Sovereign citizens' now more threatening to US than Islamic extremists on: August 06, 2014, 01:03:36 pm

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Before you hit me with the usual response that I'm a crazy, extreme right-wing conspiracy theorist who needs to take his meds; take a look at Hal Turner. He's proof that the feds do, in fact, set people up to play the role of their political opponents and act aggressively so they can justify making moves against them. They even encouraged him to use violent rhetoric.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner#FBI_Informant

Hal Turner is a piece of work. Agents-provocateurs are untrustworthy as a rule. 

huh?

In any case, they've used the same tactics against Muslims.
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN: The news channel for people who have never looked at a map on: August 06, 2014, 12:59:33 pm
They could be forgiven. What would a person from Niger be called?

Nigerien is the usual term, with an 'e' to distinguish them from the Nigerians. I believe it's pronounced the same way, however.

You can distinguish them by saying "Nigerien" with a French accent.
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of VP Windjammer (guillotine bill) on: August 06, 2014, 12:18:56 am
I have to say that the guillotine bill ain't happening. I do think, though, that under the right circumstances the "debate" surrounding it could be quite interesting entertaining. Grin However, I am told that we're a Senate, not a sideshow!

There's a difference?

I'm not sure how I feel about the VP refusing to allow a bill to even come to the floor, but I do appreciate that Atlasia's current representative of the French people has come out against the horror of the revolutionary's blade.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Political Tracker - 4th At-Large Senate Poll on: August 06, 2014, 12:09:30 am
Cynic

I was away the last five days so someone fill me in. How did Cynic get in the senate if Spiral won?
Adam Griffin resigned from the Senate before his seat was up, so President DemPGH appointed The Cynical One to it. Tongue

Most of these candidates are awesome, but like last time, I'll probably first preference AFJ again.

The President doesn't appoint Senators. If a vacancy happens close to the next election, the vacating Senator's party has a chance to fill it. With Dr. Cynic's excellent but shortfallen campaign, he was a natural choice for the position.
100  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is cultural appropriate really a thing? on: August 05, 2014, 11:52:11 pm
It has nothing to do with cultural mixing or exposing oneself to other cultures. There's nothing wrong with cultures interacting and adapting language, food, customs, dress, etc. from each other.

Cultural appropriation is when people in a dominant cultural group exploit the culture of an oppressed group without respect for that culture. Often when the person in the dominant cultural group borrows the oppressed group's culture, they are reinforcing damaging cultural stereotypes in the process (like Katy Perry dressing up as a geisha and singing "I will love you unconditionally"). It's also problematic in certain situations because the person in the dominant cultural group often gets credit and the financial rewards for inventing that piece of culture (the best example of this is rock and roll music). Ultimately it's about seeking a basic level of respect and recognition for the culture of historically marginalized peoples. Don't pretend you're celebrating Japanese culture when you're putting on yellowface and doing a china doll routine.

What about the term "cultural appropriation" suggests exploitation by a dominant group?  Anyone is capable of appropriating a form from an outside culture, for a variety of reasons. A young person on an Indian Reservation may appropriate forms associated with black urban culture that resonate with them. Or an Algonquin may appropriate Mesoamerican forms for the purpose of signifying and creating a Pan-Indian identity. That person may even make a buck off of selling that identity at a powwow, and while someone might want to criticize it as profiting off a not-"authentic" culture, there are no clear universal ownership rights for symbols, no clear lines where one culture stops and another begins. 

Rock and roll, created and performed by both whites and blacks, was a transformation of earlier forms of music, largely associated with blacks - but African-American and Euro-American music have always been subject to hard to trace interactions, never completely separate entities. Performers have gotten rich not so much by claiming to invent something as by performing in a style and a context where there were people who would buy it. In the 1950s and 60s that meant white performers might have an advantage over black performers, but I don't think anyone pretended Chuck Berry never existed. With their adoption of blues and rock, the Beatles, the Stones, Clapton, etc brought a new audience to black musicians.  It was not the same as blackface - it came out of a love of the music.
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