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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Race Megathread-May 27th 2017 on: Today at 03:03:59 pm
Lisa Raitt's not going to win, unless there is some underground super campaign going on, a la Patrick Brown.  Is there one?


Who will win then? No one has an organized super campaign.

Peter MacKay will probably win if he runs.  Otherwise I'd guess there are 4 early fairly equal front runners: Lisa Raitt, Tony Clement, Kellie Leitch and Maxime Bernier.

Maxime Bernier is not winning. He is a laughing stock in the province that know him.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party (UK) Leadership Election, 2016 on: Today at 03:02:48 pm
Ugh. I thought Corbyn was at least above this kind of dishonesty. At this point I'll be heartbroken if he still somehow wins.

What do you mean by "somehow"?
Clarification to the foreign posters: he will win.

The likelihood doesn't make it any less baffling.

When your opponent is Owen "Let's talk with ISIS" Smith, I don't see how that's surprising.
3  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canadian comedian fined $42k for joke on: August 22, 2016, 10:35:34 pm
Complicated affair, here.

Let's note two things.

1. Most comedians who expressed an opinion are actually against the comedian, saying that the level of the "jokes" is actually not humour, but plain personal attacks on the plaintiff and his mother. By the way, your title is missing an "s" to "joke".

2. The plaintiff didn't sue for libel in a normal court, he instead did a complaint to the Human Rights Commission, which means than, if your complaint is accepted, it will be heard in front of a special tribunal (which is more likely to award damage than a normal court) and than the prosecution is done by an attorney of the commission. Great way to make money.

The court decision in itself is trying to walk on a very thin line, saying petty much we can laugh of a person, but not of an protected characteristic (which is a Constitutionnal concept), i.e. we can laugh of his attention-seeking but not saying than he looks like a subwoofer (yes, that was said), because that's due to an handicap, which is a protected characteristic, and bordering on libel.

In fact, I hope the Appeal Court will take up the case, because the lower decision is raising more questions than answers on the question of the border between humour and libel/personal attacks (because, let's be honest, that will get raised in the future) and it's the main concern expressed by the comedian community in Quebec (because that's under Quebec laws, it doesn't involve other provinces).

Only recent decision on that subject is than publishing a letter about the rape of known personnality is not considered as humour (and the writer of the letter withdrew for the public sphere after being accused and jailed for having sex with an underaged teen).
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Open letter to the atlas forum on: August 22, 2016, 08:50:51 pm
Nah, no thanks.

someone nearly as bad as Hitler

WAT??
Sprouts is a bit of a troll, I wouldn't take a lot of his political statements as what he truly believes.

Corrected version:

Sprouts is a bit of a troll, I wouldn't take a lot of his political statements as what he truly believes., would have been banned a lot time ago is the mods really wanted to preserve the educationnal goal of the website.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mark Kirk: Obama is acting like the drug-dealer-in-chief on: August 22, 2016, 04:10:19 pm
Poor him. Seems the stroke damaged his brain.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gawker shutting down on: August 21, 2016, 08:41:04 pm
The controversy surrounding the "outing" of Peter Thiel is rather sickening. He's a plutocrat who exercises a great deal of power and influence by virtue of his wealth alone. This rent-seeking behavior is corrosive to American democracy. None of this even begins to mention the fact that his viewpoints are odious, repulsive and damaging. Dredging up personal information and using it against him is a virtue, not a vice.
I didn't expect this from you. The only reason people are "outed" by tabloids is because homophobes find it relevant if someone happens to be gay. If this homophobia had not existed, people wouldn't be outed because the public wouldn't care. Therefore, the victims of engaging in such "journalism" are not just the ones who are outed but all gay people, because doing so perpetuates a climate in which a "witch hunt" against gay people is seen as legitimate by some. If you truly support gay people's right to be gay no matter who they are or what they do, you should not condone Gawker's behavior, regardless of your opinion of Thiel.
Well said. "Outing" people is absolutely to say that you believe being gay is wrong and worthy of public scorn. Anyone who supports "outing" as a method of attack is absolutely and universally anti-gay. It's a despicable kind of act that mars the integrity of journalism and can even put lives at risk, but at any rate certainly pushes society backward. I feel no pity for anyone at Gawker who had anything to do with it or did anything less than vehemently and both privately and publicly oppose it.

I can't agree with that, not without an exception for politicians voting for politics of LGBT hate and people funding such hateful politicians.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2016 House of Representative Elections on: August 21, 2016, 08:14:21 pm
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS

[2] 1184AZ of Washington
Labor Party

[  ] Abraham Washington of New York
United Alternative

[  ] ClarkKent of Connecticut
Federalist Party

[  ] Classic Conservative of Texas
Federalist Party

[1] Clyde1998 of Massachusetts
Labor Party

[  ] dfwlibertylover of Texas
Federalist Party

[4] evergreen of Illinois
Labor Party

[  ] JohanusCalvinusLibertas of Indiana
Federalist Party

[5] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party


[3] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party


[  ] Santander of Alabama
Federalist Party

[  ] Shua of Alaska
Freedom and Solidarity Party

[  ] Talleyrand of Texas
Nationalist Party

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________

[  ] None of the above
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Hits To Hispanic Leaders Openness To Legalization For Immigrants on: August 21, 2016, 02:43:09 am
He is a used car salesman, we all knew this already.

That's insulting for used car salesmen. He is more like the shady guy selling you broken cars.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: WaPo-SCOTUS Election Update: Dont bet on Notorious RBG retiring if Clinton wins on: August 21, 2016, 02:38:37 am
And, let's be honest, given her age, she has a significant chance of leaving the Supreme Court the same way as Scalia during the next term.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Poster boys for white privilege lie and denigrate Brazil on: August 20, 2016, 03:09:38 am
Has the OP actually denied that Brazil has problems? because it seems to me that a lot of people on this thread are imagining it.

I mean, what does the country having crime has to do with this people making a mess and making a completely false story? Of course, crime, as in lots of other Latin American countries is a highly media inflated problem, especially for foreigners. Brazil already has a lot of bad press with stuff that actually happens, adding to it with lies is pretty awful.

And lol at the guy saying that only Syria and Congo are worst places to host olympic games. I would normally take the comment as an hyperbolic joke, but it's guineapig we are talking about, so it's probably a serious post
Its hyperbole but I think it's fair to say that rio would not have been given the Olympics had the committee known about the problems the country would be facing right now but alas hindsight is 20/20

Edu, people like Pandaguineapig, Badger, and Lochte will never admit the Olympics in Brazil are a success.  Clearly all the gloom and doom reports prior to the Olympics were overblown.  Every Olympics has their problems.  Personally all the events I have watched have been perfect.  I didn't notice any problems.

The only narrative people like that are willing to accept about Brazil is about crime, corruption, disease, etc.  It's the reason we have the BLM movement here in America.  A black man gets shot by the cops and immediately you have a chorus of the usual suspects saying he definitely deserved it because... black guy.
Actually , I'd concur the Olympics were largely a success with a few nominal glitches (green pool, several athletes getting robbed in the week leading up to the games ).

I suspect you didn't watch pole vault then. I'm pretty sure most high schools would have ran the competition better.
11  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Time to ban "Bronz" on: August 12, 2016, 01:41:36 pm
I don't see why you bother. Mods have absolutely no problem with racist runing the place.

Honestly, mods tolerating it are as worst as them. Racist-enablers. Do your fracking job, mods.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will Jim Webb vote for? on: August 11, 2016, 01:37:32 pm
Nobody, he is so dumb he will go to the voting station the wrong day.
13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Vegan parents in Italy may be criminalized... on: August 10, 2016, 11:01:50 pm
authoritarianism is always bad

No, that's protecting kids from authoritarian vegan parents.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TransCanada files $15-billion NAFTA claim over U.S. rejection of Keystone XL on: August 07, 2016, 03:10:17 pm
Hopefully the whole proess bankrupt them so Energy East go away.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Australian Federal Election- July 2, 2016 on: August 06, 2016, 10:08:02 pm
I wouldn't add One Nation into the L/NP Coalition, the L/NP don't like them

It doesn't matter whether they "like" each other.  What matters is that the Turnbull-Hanson agenda is going to be disastrous for this country.

That's very disingenuous considering nothing can possibly get through the Senate without support from Labor, the Greens, or the NXT, who together hold sufficient votes to block any legislation (such as from, say, the "Turnbull-Hanson" agenda).

Turnbull-Xenophon would probably be more accurate.

Except the union bills, which only require passing the House and a common sitting of both houses.

114 votes would be needed to pass anything through a joint sitting; the Coalition has 106. One Nation has 4. Let's assume all 110 of those can be relied upon to vote in favor; that's still 110 and requires four more votes from somewhere. Xenophon can provide those votes, or alternatively Turnbull could turn to the crossbench, where Day and Leyonhjelm are probably sympathetic, while Lambie, Katter, and Willkie are all more left-wing on economic matters. If Hinch and McGowan can both be persuaded to come along, that does allow Turnbull to push through the legislation without ALP, Greens, or Xenophon support, but that is a very tight squeeze.

So, yeah, getting Xenophon onboard is still probably the path of least resistance even in the event of a joint sitting (and if Day, Leyonhjelm, Xenophon, and every PHON Senator does support it, it would be simpler to just push it through the regular Senate; if Turnbull does want to go the "appeal to individual independents" route then a joint sitting would have to be convened).

Except than joint sittings can only be used for the bills that were used for the double dissolution, namely the 3 anti-union bills. All other bills need to pass the House and the Senate.

Xenophon already indicated it would only support those union bills if they were amended in ways he liked.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Australian Federal Election- July 2, 2016 on: August 06, 2016, 08:23:44 pm
I wouldn't add One Nation into the L/NP Coalition, the L/NP don't like them

It doesn't matter whether they "like" each other.  What matters is that the Turnbull-Hanson agenda is going to be disastrous for this country.

That's very disingenuous considering nothing can possibly get through the Senate without support from Labor, the Greens, or the NXT, who together hold sufficient votes to block any legislation (such as from, say, the "Turnbull-Hanson" agenda).

Turnbull-Xenophon would probably be more accurate.

Except the union bills, which only require passing the House and a common sitting of both houses.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Halifax Needham, NS [Aug 30]) on: August 05, 2016, 09:44:05 am
The St-Jérôme, Marie-Victorin and Arthabaska Quebec by-elections will be held in late November or early December, according to La Presse.

St-Jérôme must be called before November 2 and the government wants the PQ to have a new leader before calling them (which is in October).
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party (UK) Leadership Election, 2016 on: August 04, 2016, 01:44:46 pm
They should see if tony blair wants to make a comeback lol

Far, far more people would support expelling Blair from the party than his return as leader. And I'm referring to the people in the PLP as opposed to the wider membership.
I'm joking but it's funny considering he is the only person to lead labor to victory since the 1970's

Pretty much anyone could have done so in 1997.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NY Times Releases Horrowing Video of the Behavior of Trump Supporters @ Rallies on: August 03, 2016, 05:55:47 pm
Barack Hussein Obama paid ransom to a third-world terror state that supports Radical Islamic Terrorist groups like Hamas to free some U.S. Soldiers, but Hillary's press is marching on with orders to release "bad behavior" by Trump supporters instead.

Seriously?

Because the paid Democrat astroturf protestors have been bastions of sunshine outside of Trump rallies, right? They never blocked traffic or maligned the police.

This pile-on by the DNC drive-by presstitutes is pathetic, sickening and way too predictable. The only thing that has changed over the last week is whom they get their talking points from.

The last DNC chair resigned in disgrace after overseeing an operation that rigged an election for Queen Hillary! and harbored a bunch of closeted racist Democrats that had wonderful things to say about minorities.

But Hillary!

Also, I note that you go out of your way to criticize Obama and Hillary, but completely ignore addressing the subject of the post, which means you tacitly approve of all of this. Great job there!
I do love how freedom of speech is lost on the left. People can say what they want to at the end of the day. I am neither their parents nor the thought police. I do not have to agree with what they say, but I protect their right to say it.

I, on the left, have no issue with the right of them to say it.
However, I have every right to criticize what they say or to mock them.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism nor from mockery.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: breaking news? Manafort possibly quits, more campaign HQ resignations to follow on: August 02, 2016, 08:35:40 pm

Another source confirms...

Quote
Ali VitaliVerified account ‏@alivitali Ali Vitali Retweeted John Harwood A Trump campaign source, in reax to this, tells me "it's all true" and "way worse than people realize."

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/760644265584300032
I guess we can see some people kill themselves, per the suggestion of left-wing NBC News.

Yeah OK. Complete and utter nonsense.

You're so invested in your boy, that you're even making the same excuses.
Oh I forgot, it must be opposite day. MSNBC and NBC News are magically bastions of conservatism and Republicanism today... Right?

Give me a break.

And? So, who do you trust to tell you the truth.
Not a "news organization" that roots for the Democrats, that's for sure.

Not the "news organization" that has a reporter that lies about his experience as a war correspondent, like a certain Presidential candidate did about her trip to Bosnia.

But I digress. NBC "News" is a partisan joke.

If NBC news is a joke, Trump is an whole comedy night.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: All Charges Dropped in Freddy Grey Case! on: July 29, 2016, 10:05:25 am
During that time, Canadaian courts condemned to 6 years in jail a policemen who shot two rounds of bullets on someone wielding a knife.

The first round was totally legal, but due to have been shot alreayd once, the knife guy wasn't an immediate threat anymore and so the second round was "unreasonable, unnecessary and excessive".

Why US courts can't hold policemen to the same standard, that's eluding me, considering common law is the base for both criminal law systems.

Sounds like Candians have no idea either. Just because you shoot someone once doesn't mean they are no longer a threat. If most Candians weren't just so darn friendly maybe they would realize what reality is.

The key word is immediate.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: All Charges Dropped in Freddy Grey Case! on: July 28, 2016, 10:41:56 am
During that time, Canadaian courts condemned to 6 years in jail a policemen who shot two rounds of bullets on someone wielding a knife.

The first round was totally legal, but due to have been shot alreayd once, the knife guy wasn't an immediate threat anymore and so the second round was "unreasonable, unnecessary and excessive".

Why US courts can't hold policemen to the same standard, that's eluding me, considering common law is the base for both criminal law systems.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NH-InsideSources/NH Journal: Trump+9 on: July 27, 2016, 09:46:13 am
I would say the poll is invalid, as, if you look the PDF, the presidential question is last, after a push question about Hassan ethics.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Was A Goldwater Girl on: July 26, 2016, 01:42:48 pm
Oh, Goldwater, you mean the socially liberal, pro medical marijuana guy who said than most of the Republican establsiment were extremists in the 90's?
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 25, 2016, 10:48:41 pm

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused Smiley

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here Smiley
Careful, AG, remember that Brexit happened and the easily manipulated hate experts now.

"Experts". Economics aren't a science, it's the art of twisting numbers so they fit your narrative.
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