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51  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: December 05, 2016, 09:09:14 pm
Marie-Victorin has a funny 2nd place race.

Currently: Liberal 425, CAQ 423, QS 422 (with PQ at 1496).

Radio-Canada called Arthabaska for the CAQ (and Marie-Victorin a while ago).
52  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: December 05, 2016, 09:05:36 pm
PQ declared victory in Marie-Victorin, and I would call Arthabaska for the CAQ.

Seems Liberal in Verdun and PQ in St-Jérôme, but I would wait a bit to call them.
53  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: December 05, 2016, 09:04:03 pm
Seems incumbent party wins in all 4.

Through, surprisingly, the closest one isn't Arthabaska or St-Jérôme, but Verdun. PQ-QS alliance would easily win, too. It's like 35 Liberal, 28 PQ, 20 QS.
54  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics 2.0 (Presidential runoff re-vote: 4 Dec. 2016) on: December 05, 2016, 11:49:27 am
How long before the far-right judges steal the election again?
55  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2017 British Columbia election on: December 04, 2016, 07:54:21 pm
(does any other province in Canada even have a surplus?)

Quebec has a surplus (and tons of cancelled trials due to a shortage of judges and attorneys and an healthcare system in shambles, because government cut very deep to get that surplus).
56  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: New Zealand By-elections (next event: Mount Roskill [Dec 3]) on: December 03, 2016, 01:07:48 pm
Excellent news! What is the People's Party? That's a good result for a group I've never heard of. Is it a one hit wonder for this by-election or are they going to stick around?

It's a party for immigrants.
57  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Israel general discussion on: December 03, 2016, 12:32:28 pm
In other news the US and our "special relationship" screw us yet again. The cabinet decided to purchase 17 more F-35 AKA piece of flying garbage and one of the biggest white elephants of military history instead of buying the new F-15 who show much better stats (and can actually fly an operational mission).

But it's "stealth"!! so all the tabloid could have headlines explaining how high tech it is, never mind it can carry a load of 2 tonnes on low signature mode and only to short ranges.

I remember back in the days of my military service how the US ed us over several times on all sort of procurement deals, the joys of being a proxy state. 
We're not exactly happy about the F35 over here either.  Eventually it will be a decent bird, but they shouldn't have forced one airframe to do three different things.
The complaints are the same in the Netherlands, by the way.

In Canada, new government dropped the F35 orders and now wants to buy used SuperHornets, for some reason.
58  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ADL Opposes Keith Ellison on: December 02, 2016, 03:44:18 pm
Good. It makes him higher in my opinion, being opposed by a front of foreign organisation B'nai B'rith.
59  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 3 in 4 Americans Don't Want Obamacare Repealed on: December 01, 2016, 09:38:06 pm
66% want to keep the law in some form, yet 46% voted for Trump and about 50% voted for GOP members of Congress. Both Trump and the Republican politicians have been vocal advocates of repealing the law. So there's a large percentage of Americans who're dumb enough to vote for the candidates of repeal, despite not wanting the law repealed. Amazing, yet unsurprising.

They are not dumb. Did Clinton ever said "Vote for me, to save Obamacare"? No.

Democrats will start winning elections when they actually start standing about ideas.
60  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: French presidential election, April 23rd & May 7th, 2017 on: December 01, 2016, 09:29:08 pm
When PS officially announced that they will hold an open primary for a non-open seat, I started to question Hollande's willingness to run, given his stagnant polling.

Well, they had no choice, it's in the rules of the party and some members were planning lawsuits for non-respect of the party rules if a primary didn't happen.
61  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: French presidential election, April 23rd & May 7th, 2017 on: November 29, 2016, 06:42:04 pm
Here's hoping enough leftists jump to Macron in the first round...

Again, why leftists would vote for the French version of Andrew Cuomo?
62  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK's new surveillance law is freaking nuts on: November 29, 2016, 02:39:33 pm
Well, that's what you get when you elect right-wingers.
63  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: French presidential election, April 23rd & May 7th, 2017 on: November 28, 2016, 05:13:53 pm
[pipe dream]
Macron+Melenchon+Hollande=33.
The left should rally around Macron. Otherwise, they are tombed. If they are tombed this time, I fear that they will be tombed for a long period.
Hollande and other PS candidate should stay out, and beg Melenchon to withdraw.
If any PS candidates do not stand, given that Macron+Hollande=21, and some left might probably congregate around Macron, Macron could be polling well above 25, thus stopping Le Pen from entering the runoff.
[/pipe dream]


Why the left should rally around a center-right candidate?
64  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: French presidential election, April 23rd & May 7th, 2017 on: November 27, 2016, 02:14:18 pm
Wow, crazy when an incumbent is struggling to hit double digits.

Why is Hollande polling so poorly, even among the left?

Because he governed exactly as Merkel (hint: she is not left-wing).
65  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: NDP Leadership Convention 2017 (2018) on: November 26, 2016, 03:14:23 pm
This is wise. Assuming Hatman still identifies as  United, we're still technically members of the same religion... which makes it useless for demographics and projections Tongue

I'm Catholic, so add 3 (and it makes it even more useless).
66  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: NDP Leadership Convention 2017 (2018) on: November 25, 2016, 09:19:06 pm
I saw youtube clip of Charlie Angus speaking French and it was painful...his accent was so awful that listening to him was like listening to fingernails scratching a blackboard...sorry but this will not cut it. Its a pity because he has a lot to offer otherwise.

Charlie Angus = GONG
He represents a Francophone riding in Ontario, and they didn't seem to have an issue with it.

I mean, if you can call a 30% French riding "Francophone".
It's actually about 44% Francophone, and I was confusing it with the provincial Timmins - James Bay, which includes Kap and Hearst.  That riding is over 50% francophone.

Where are you getting that information?

The riding is actually 32% French (30% was a back of the envelope calculation) if you do the math: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=FED2013&Code1=35107&Geo2=PR&Code2=01&Data=Count&SearchText=Timmins&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1



If you're looking at knowledge of official languages, French is at about 44%.  When you look at language most often spoken at home, and/or mother tongue, the number goes down to 30%.

It should also be noted that because of the huge land mass, the way that the boundaries were cut, and the Aboriginal populations, the number looks smaller than it should be.  Could you imagine telling someone in Val D'or (Quebec) that their riding is only 60% Francophone?  They feel much more Francophone than the numbers indicate.


If someone wants to try, I'm avaliable. Well, as the name of the riding indicates, it's a mix of various areas, which consider each other separate (and have quite different realities, honestly).

Nonetheless, the population centres in the ridings are quite more Francophone than the riding demographics would have you believe.

There are more Christians than Jews in Thornhill, yet people call it a Jewish riding. 

The point is, you can still label a riding, or city, by a name that identifies a large group of its people (even if they fall below 50% in the area, or is not the largest group) if it has a significant population. 
Timmins-James Bay is a Francophone riding in Ontario.

I'm aware of that. It was a reference to me being in and from Val-d'Or.
67  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: European Parliament votes to suspend membership talks with Turkey on: November 25, 2016, 04:46:21 pm
Let's be honest, it was going nowhere anyway.

Yeah, I've no idea why Cameron squandered so much political capital on backing Turkey's membership, it definitely pushed up the leave vote, probably not by enough to make the difference but it certainly didn't help and even though vote leave probably knew it was never happenning they were only too happy to use it on their leaflets

Because Turkey threathen to send thousands of refugees in Europe if the talks stop.
68  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: NDP Leadership Convention 2017 (2018) on: November 24, 2016, 10:46:42 pm
I saw youtube clip of Charlie Angus speaking French and it was painful...his accent was so awful that listening to him was like listening to fingernails scratching a blackboard...sorry but this will not cut it. Its a pity because he has a lot to offer otherwise.

Charlie Angus = GONG
He represents a Francophone riding in Ontario, and they didn't seem to have an issue with it.

I mean, if you can call a 30% French riding "Francophone".
It's actually about 44% Francophone, and I was confusing it with the provincial Timmins - James Bay, which includes Kap and Hearst.  That riding is over 50% francophone.

Where are you getting that information?

The riding is actually 32% French (30% was a back of the envelope calculation) if you do the math: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=FED2013&Code1=35107&Geo2=PR&Code2=01&Data=Count&SearchText=Timmins&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1



If you're looking at knowledge of official languages, French is at about 44%.  When you look at language most often spoken at home, and/or mother tongue, the number goes down to 30%.

It should also be noted that because of the huge land mass, the way that the boundaries were cut, and the Aboriginal populations, the number looks smaller than it should be.  Could you imagine telling someone in Val D'or (Quebec) that their riding is only 60% Francophone?  They feel much more Francophone than the numbers indicate.


If someone wants to try, I'm avaliable. Well, as the name of the riding indicates, it's a mix of various areas, which consider each other separate (and have quite different realities, honestly).
69  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: November 24, 2016, 01:16:52 pm
There are virtually no secular Jews in Outremont.  The Mile End and Outremont were the heart of Jewish Montreal until the 1950s - then the bulk of the pre-war Jewish community moved out. Hasidic Jews moved in and today the Jewish population in Outremont is almost entirely Hasidic.

Outremont is basically: 1) francophone professionals and intellectuals and 2.) Hasidic Jews.  


Well, that only makes it worse.

Basically, as far as the ultra-religious Jews are conserned, a prohibition on synagogues is a prohibition of residence. If synagogues can only be built in commercial areas, that means those people can only live in commercial areas. And, I bet, commercial areas are zoned against residential housing: full circle.

Well, Bernard Avenue is a commercial area (and it makes sense, it's pretty much in the middle of the areas where the Hassidim are living). The Hassidim are not contesting the rule about no worship places in residential areas and quite agree with it. The issue is Outrement borough banning it in the commercial area of Bernard Avenue and asking to put new worship places in the north of the borough,  around Van Horne Avenue (which is the traditional place where most worship places are in Outremont, but isn't where the new generation of Hassidim is living).

Whatever. The non-Hassidic Outremont residents want to get rid of the Hassidim - and this should not be allowed, period.

Precisely. What's the point of a constitution if the quirks of bylaws mean some random municipality can discriminate against minorities?

Well, it's probably not respecting the Constitution, hence why Julius Grey (NDP supporter, lawyer in pretty much all law suits involving discrimination against a community) is involved now.

Their argument is, since the Hassidim cannot use the transportation on some days, they must be allowed to build a worship place within walking distance (whether it's on Bernard Avenue or another street within walking distance, because you cannot argue there is a right to build a worship place on a specific street, only a specific area).
70  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LePage in 2018 on: November 23, 2016, 02:06:57 pm
LePage would get crushed by King, unless the Democrats decide to be idiots and run someone against him, making for a three-way race.

Even if that happens the race will go to automatic runoff which certifies King winner.

Unlikely that's implemented by 2018.

Why not? It passed on the ballot at the November election. I'm pretty sure any attempt to delay would be rebuked by courts.
71  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: November 23, 2016, 01:22:26 pm
There are virtually no secular Jews in Outremont.  The Mile End and Outremont were the heart of Jewish Montreal until the 1950s - then the bulk of the pre-war Jewish community moved out. Hasidic Jews moved in and today the Jewish population in Outremont is almost entirely Hasidic.

Outremont is basically: 1) francophone professionals and intellectuals and 2.) Hasidic Jews.  


Well, that only makes it worse.

Basically, as far as the ultra-religious Jews are conserned, a prohibition on synagogues is a prohibition of residence. If synagogues can only be built in commercial areas, that means those people can only live in commercial areas. And, I bet, commercial areas are zoned against residential housing: full circle.

Well, Bernard Avenue is a commercial area (and it makes sense, it's pretty much in the middle of the areas where the Hassidim are living). The Hassidim are not contesting the rule about no worship places in residential areas and quite agree with it. The issue is Outrement borough banning it in the commercial area of Bernard Avenue and asking to put new worship places in the north of the borough,  around Van Horne Avenue (which is the traditional place where most worship places are in Outremont, but isn't where the new generation of Hassidim is living).
72  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: November 23, 2016, 01:16:13 pm
Since when did Quebec allow for such trivial municipal referendums anyways? This kind of thing is unheard in Canada outside of BC. Well, I guess there were those de-merger referendums, but that's all I can think of.

Since decades. Referendums to block zoning changes (from worship places allowed to worship places disallowed, in this case) are legal since a long time (And like I said, it's the Hassidim who triggered it to try to block the ban).
73  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: November 22, 2016, 07:50:59 pm
Oh, the issue is "Jew community" instead of "Jewish community"? Well, English isn't my mother tongue, to me, it's "communauté juive" in French, usually, so it's more an English error than any intent.
I tend to forget that, sorry for the emoji. "Jew" as an adjective has a rather pejorative connotation. I was sure you weren't going for that, but I still couldn't refrain from responding to it.

Well, in French, it's Jew for both the name and the adjective. Another note on your post (than I just noticed), than it wasn't an attempt to change the status quo from the Hassidim, it was rather an attempt to block the by-law changes.

Politically, there is no options really. Federal government has no power over planning. Montreal City can change a borough law (for 2 years, any renewal needs a 2/3 majority), but, as it would be a change from the new status quo, the anti-synagogue crowd can collect signatures and force another referendum to block the new change.

Provincial government can ban cities from banning worhship places in planning zones, but that won't happen, because there is plenty of reasons to curtain it (here, my city (like most) bans churches from residential areas, because it would be totally out of place on a small residential street). Usual rule in Quebec is than worship places are in commercial areas/downtowns/important streets/industrial parks.
74  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: November 22, 2016, 07:22:31 pm
Well, I would say the referendum was a demand from the Jew community.

The borough council passed a law banning worship places on Bernard Avenue, but, as it is a planning law, local citizens (living in zones affected by the change and those contiguous to them) can petition a referendum on it (with a petition with 10% of the registered electors of the zone). So, they collected signatures and forced a referendum (which they lost).

They are probably going to court, now.
Oh, I didn't know, thanks for clarifying Smiley Well, I cannot blame them for trying to change the status-quo, though I guess it was a bit naive to expect the others in the neighborhood to, you know, respect the Jews' freedom of worship. Not going to engage in an exercise of blaming the victim, though. Shame on the elected politicians that have kept this law in place and necessitated the referendum initiative.

Apart from that... "Jew community"? Roll Eyes

Well, the petition drive was openly organized by the Hassidim community leaders. They have spokepersons and usually speak as a common voice on issues involving the community.

EDIT: Oh, the issue is "Jew community" instead of "Jewish community"? Well, English isn't my mother tongue, to me, it's "communauté juive" in French, usually, so it's more an English error than any intent.
75  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2016 (next event: Quebec provincial byelections [Dec 5]) on: November 22, 2016, 06:19:52 pm
This legislation is obviously a big disgrace and I don't understand how issues like these are allowed to be on the ballot anyway, since freedom of religion is a human right and minority rights shouldn't be on the ballot -- and I know this referendum was technically about all houses of worship but everybody knows this was a referendum on synagogues.

Well, I would say the referendum was a demand from the Jew community.

The borough council passed a law banning worship places on Bernard Avenue, but, as it is a planning law, local citizens (living in zones affected by the change and those contiguous to them) can petition a referendum on it (with a petition with 10% of the registered electors of the zone). So, they collected signatures and forced a referendum (which they lost).

They are probably going to court, now.
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