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51  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Serious question: When will the US start taking in asylum seekers ? on: August 19, 2015, 08:00:56 pm
The U.S. should take in zero refugees, or limit the number as much as possible.

There are billions of people doing poorly in the world, many countries torn apart by war. It does us no favorsto  bring them here. Witness all the problems caused by Somali refugees for instance.

http://newobserveronline.com/somalis-in-america-a-horror-story-of-crime-violence-and-now-terrorism/

Finding a country full of problems with people who want to flee, and allowing them into your country, just transfers problems to you.

No more refugees.

Well, if I follow your logic, we just get rid of problematic people.

Which country want racist Jacobtm? USA don't want it anymore, who wants it? No one? How can we improve USA if we are stuck with people like him?
52  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 19, 2015, 04:36:51 am
Have we posted Abacus yet?
http://abacusdata.ca/election-2015-ndp-leads-but-70-of-voters-up-for-grabs/

NDP - 35%
CPC - 29%
LPC - 26%

NDP - Strong Lead in PQ, small Lead in ON and BC (by two points) ON still three-way tie
CPC - Strong lead in the Prairies (AL, MAN, SASK)
LPC - Still strong lead in Atlantic, NDP is less then 10 Point behind though

the most "Really Liked" outcome is NDP Majority; the most over all Liked is NDP working with Liberals (sorry Justin)
What has the Parti québécois to do with this ?

PQ is an old abbreviation for Quebec (Province of/de Québec). Mainly replaced by QC, but some old people still use PQ.
53  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: EPA proposes huge methane limits for oil, gas industry on: August 18, 2015, 08:03:43 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/18/epa-methane-voc-emissions-oil-gas-industry-limits/31920637/
Do we really need to follow EPA advises? They want to lower down methane emissions in order to battle global warming. I still can't believe that global warming is real.

IronFist, 3 centuries ago:

I still can't believe those new treatments developed by "doctors". Blood-letting is the only effective treatment.
54  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: August 18, 2015, 01:13:42 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-to-announce-plans-to-head-campaign-for-british-exit-10425255.html

According to a recent poll by ORB, 55% of Britons support staying in the EU and 45% support leaving the EU. 71% of 18 to 24-year-olds in Britain support staying in the EU, while 53% of those aged 65 and over support leaving the EU.

Interesting generational difference -I wonder why younger people in the UK are more supportive of the EU than their elders.

The stereotypical Europhile is highly educated, rich, urban, and socially liberal while the stereotypical Eurosceptic is the opposite - less educated, more likely to be working class, less likely to be live in the urban core, and more socially conservative. Young people are likely to fit in (or aspire to be)  the former as the most pro-European parties (Green & Lib Dems) do well with university students.

Your post sums up what I think is the most important political divide in the UK at the moment. It's not left vs. right, it's Greater London vs. The Rest of the UK.

Ah, Manchester, Liverpool, Knowsley, Birmingham and the Welsh Valleys, those remote parts of the Greater London.
55  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Thailand Thread on: August 17, 2015, 10:40:26 pm
After deadly Bangkok bomb blast, questions arise about culprits, motives

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One hour after the blast, a spokesman for the national police stated that the explosion was caused by an “improvised explosive device” (IED), which was later confirmed by national police chief Somyot Poompanmuang to be a “pipe bomb”. Two more explosive devices were found in very close proximity to the scene and were defused by police bomb disposal experts.

Latest official figures as of writing report that 22 people have been killed, 123 people have been injured.

[...]

However, at roughly the same time, the army’s Internal Security Operation Command openly speculated on possible motives for the attack (“political conflict, state official reshuffle, and international terrorism”) without providing any substantial information that supports their assessment. It also reportedly ruled out insurgents from the Deep South.

Option 1: Anti-junta activists? Highly unlikely, because it would do their cause more harm than good.

Option 2: Muslim separatist insurgents from Southern Thailand? Unlikely, because the separatists hardly operate outside of the south. And just because foreign media has raised this issue before any Thai outlet did, doesn’t mean it has any more or less credence.

Option 3: Who else? Well this is probably the most theoretical territory and thus also the most dangerous as pure speculation has thrown around a lot of names, groups and factions.

Option 4: The junta themselves, to scapegoat it on someone else of their convinence.
56  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics (Sept. 27 - Upper Austria state election) on: August 17, 2015, 02:04:50 pm
66% of Austrians say the country is on the wrong track
80% think the government is incapable of solving the country's problems

Yet, 45% would vote for a current government party.

It's telling much about the opposition.
57  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 17, 2015, 01:27:26 pm
The FSU?
58  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What specific policy proposals will solve income inequality and poverty? on: August 16, 2015, 11:37:05 pm
We are importing poor and Low-IQ immigrants from the third world. They are poor, their kids and grandkids are poor, because they can't do high-paying work.

Chinese immigrants come in and end up making more than white people, other groups not so much.

Deporting illegal immigrants and putting a complete moratorium on immigration would help arrest this trend.

Oh move to France and vote le Pen, weirdo.

I'll stay here and vote Trump so that my country isn't flooded with Mexican peasants.

I suppose you're down with different low-IQ people bringing crime and poverty to your country?

Go back to Stormfront, racist.
59  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 16, 2015, 11:05:59 am

Well, they wanted to get rid of him. Anyways, he was grasping at every rule he found since February to not face a contested investiture, so I suspect he knew he had no local support.

He is now a Green.
60  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 14, 2015, 07:18:35 pm
There have been vague rumours of an upset.

I've heard that too. Kezia is the sensible choice on the basis is that she's at Holyrood, is actually not that bad at FMQ's and is also easily replaceable. Ian Murray has been rather...subtle with his 'family man' rhetoric the insinuations of which I won't go into here. If he wins, it's not clear who will lead at Holyrood where at the moment Iain Gray is doing the honours, especially if Gordon Mathieson (who's one FOI request away from trouble) gets the deputyship.

Ian Murray isn't running, as far as I know.
61  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics (Sept. 27 - Upper Austria state election) on: August 14, 2015, 05:36:31 am
Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner calls in the Austrian army to help deal with the asylum crisis.

But not - as one with common sense might expect - to secure the border and round up illegals (like the constitution would demand), but to help erect even more tents and containers to house even more incoming asylum seekers and to help feed them.

http://www.salzburg.com/nachrichten/dossier/fluechtlinge/sn/artikel/fluechtlingshilfe-asyleinsatz-des-bundesheers-rueckt-naeher-161684

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Das Innenministerium hat beim Verteidigungsressort offiziell um Assistenz- und Unterstützungsleistung angesucht, wurde am Donnerstag bekannt. Bei der geforderten Assistenz- und Unterstützungsleistung des Heeres zur Entlastung der Polizei geht es um die Unterbringung und Betreuung von Flüchtlingen, die Verpflegung sowie die Einrichtung von Bundesbetreuungsstellen.

...

It seems the SPÖVP government is deliberately ignoring the will of the Austrian population by not sending the army to the border to secure it.

According to the  terms of the Schengen agreement, the agreement can be temporarily suspended for 24 months if there's a "major crisis" facing a country or the Schengen zone as a whole. According to the EU commission, a "major crisis" would be a "massive influx of asylum seekers" - which is what's happening here right now.

Each day now there are reports of 50-200 asylum seekers crammed into tiny vans with 35°C outside and when a police car approaches, the people smugglers simply run away.

The asylum centers are overcrowded, with the men sleeping inside the complex in safety and the women and small children outside on the street, which can be dangerous during hailstorms.

Amnesty International visited the Traiskirchen camp last week and is about to release a damning report about the inhumane situation there today. Our government is not only reckless towards the Austrian population, they are also reckless towards the asylum seekers.

They are a truly disgusting, incompetent, help- and clueless bunch of politicians - far removed from the general population. But don't worry, they get their monthly 8.000€ and 12 weeks of annual paid vacation ... Time to wipe these parties out in the Upper Austria and Vienna state elections.

"I'm HC Strache and I endorse this message".

That's the only thing missing to that message.
62  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: August 13, 2015, 12:52:49 am
Plebiscites are also non-binding so even if one was held and the vote was overwhelmingly in favour Abbott could still decline to legislate on it for whatever reason. It's all a deceptive ploy.

In most developed democracies plebiscites are considered morally binding and it is "political suicide" to ignore their result. Is that really different in Australia? If so, why?

Well, they do have a habit of ignoring 'em in New Zealand.

Well, it had a very biaised question, too.

Sure, but 88% of the vote on 56% turnout is about as unambiguous as things can get, biased question or no.

"Should parents be allowed to use violence on their children for corrective purposes?" would get much less votes, I'm sure you would agree.
63  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: August 12, 2015, 11:13:05 pm
Plebiscites are also non-binding so even if one was held and the vote was overwhelmingly in favour Abbott could still decline to legislate on it for whatever reason. It's all a deceptive ploy.

In most developed democracies plebiscites are considered morally binding and it is "political suicide" to ignore their result. Is that really different in Australia? If so, why?

Well, they do have a habit of ignoring 'em in New Zealand.

Well, it had a very biaised question, too.
64  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 12, 2015, 08:47:54 pm
What on earth does Strength in Democracy stand for?

It was for Quebec independence at first, but now seems to run on autonomy for all provinces and a focus on regional developpment and enpowerment and ramblings about "party line voting is bad, local MPs know better what is better locally" and "federal government is imposing things on regions and communities".

They pla on running 25 to 35 candidates, saying they prefer running no candidate to running a candidate not implanted enough in his riding (and then goes running the Repentigny incumbent MP somewhere on Montreal Island...).
65  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 12, 2015, 12:32:14 pm
Manon Perreault, the MP for Montcalm, expelled from NDP due to being convinced for public mischief (she did a complaint to police about an employee stealing things for the constituency office, when nothing was ever stolen in the first place, in order of being able to fire her), has been recruited by Strenght in Democracy.

They believe her version than she was framed by that former employee.
66  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 11, 2015, 11:36:16 pm

Seems we have the final list.

English MacLean debate (already done)
English Globe and Mail debate
Bilingual Munk debate on foreign policy
French TVA debate
French Radio-Canada/consortium debate (Harper finally accepted, as it seems he had no other choice for a debate in French).

1.What about the TVA debate you also mentioned that will be in French?

2.Will Elizabeth May be in any of the remaining debates?

Globe and Mail will be on September 17, with only the 3 main leaders.

Radio-Canada will be on September 24, with May and Duceppe.

Munk Debate will be on September 28. It's not clear whether May will be there, but Trudeau says he won't go if she isn't there. It's on foreign policy, so, she would make all other leaders looks saner.

TVA is the biggest Quebec TV channel. Private, belongs to Peladeau. May won't be in, but Duceppe will. Will be on October 2 (a Friday).
67  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 11, 2015, 10:01:21 pm

Seems we have the final list.

English MacLean debate (already done)
English Globe and Mail debate
Bilingual Munk debate on foreign policy
French TVA debate
French Radio-Canada/consortium debate (Harper finally accepted, as it seems he had no other choice for a debate in French).
68  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 11, 2015, 03:34:02 pm
Jean-François Larose (the Repentigny MP who left NDP to co-found Strenght in Democracy) becomes the party president and announces he will be running in La-Pointe-de-l'Île against former BQ leader Mario Beaulieu. So, not in the seat where he is the incumbent.

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/sujet/elections-canada-2015/2015/08/11/007-forces-democratie-larose-pointe-de-lile-mario-beaulieu-bloc-quebecois.shtml?isAutoPlay=1
69  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 11, 2015, 02:50:12 pm
Latest Nanos Poll

(change from previous week)
Cons: 31.2% (+0.3%)
NDP: 30.4% (+0.3%)
Lib: 28.6% (-0.7%)
Green: 5.0% (-0.4%)
BQ: 4.2% (+0.9%)

Atlantic: Lib 48% NDP 32% Cons 18% Green 2%
Quebec: NDP 39% Lib 28% BQ 17% Cons 13% Green 3%
Ontario: Cons 37% Lib 29% NDP 26% Green 8%
MB/SK/AB: Cons 56% NDP 19% Lib 18% Green 6%
BC: NDP 41% Lib 29% Cons 26% Green 4%


A few points:
- No two regions have the same order (1st, 2nd, 3rd)
- In BC, the NDP has gained 15 points in the past month, all from the Greens
- Tories love those Ontario numbers

So NDP 33, CPC 31, Lib 26?

It seems we must do +3 to NDP and -3 to Liberals with Nanos until 7 days before the election.
70  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Petition for a Constitutional Convention, that would reform Atlasia on: August 10, 2015, 01:46:13 pm
X MaxQue
71  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Serious question: When will the US start taking in asylum seekers ? on: August 10, 2015, 12:14:14 pm
Oh, Tender, that's ridiculous, the US is talking taking asylum seekers, since decades. Don't believe all the lies of your beloved Strache.
72  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 07, 2015, 07:18:28 pm
Why is Quebec City such an outlier compared to the rest of Quebec when it comes to supporting the Conservatives? It certainly is not due a residual english speaking population, as the area is overwhelmingly Francophone.



There was an independent libertarian leaning MP from the area known as Andre Arthur. He was a right wing radio host.

It's possible the conservatism espoused by the Ralliment Creditiste stuck around, becoming support for fedral Conservatives, the CAQ, and before, the ADQ.

Wierdly, the home land of the Ralliement Créditiste didn't followed that way. Conservatives failed to get 10% last time in Réal Caouette's former riding (And his family was involved into municipal politics until mid 00's in the main city of that riding).
73  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 07, 2015, 02:07:47 pm
We have a better slate than the Grits, which isn't saying much, plus we have realistic targets in certain regions.

In my area, no. Grits have a much better slate than your party.

The president of a CLD (local development center) and the CEO of a non-profit helping local businesses to export vs. a PMO staffer and a candidate yet to be designated.
74  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Megathread: Congressional Vote on the Iran Deal on: August 07, 2015, 09:15:05 am
Wouldn't Schumer seriously damage his chances of becoming the new Dem leader by voting against his own caucus on such critical issue? Real Democrats certainly shouldn't let that slip.
I think it might hurt him, but if he doesn't actively try to convince other Democrats and the bill will be passed, then he will be forgiven. Other Democrats will understand that he is not to be envied, as a Jewish senator in New York, the blue state were opposition against the Iran deal might be the highest. Supporting the deal might lead to a serious primary.

Democratic Jews don't care about foreign policy nearly as much as everyone seems to think. Otherwise they'd be solid Republicans by now. Also, despite what Netanyahu wants us to believe, he does not in fact speak for all Jews.

If Schumer fears he'll be primaried, it's just further proof that Democrats need to grow a spine.

Neither do you.

But a combination of Bibi, Bennett, Herzog, Lapid, Livni, and others do speak for Jews worldwide, and they all oppose this bad Iran deal.

No. They speak for Israel. Plenty of Jews don't agree with current Israeli government or parties. And that's without some, like the Outremont Jews here in Québec, thinking Israel is illegitimate and "hereric", because Jews shouldn't return to the Holy Land until God allows them to do so.

Yes, there are crazy people in every grouping of people. Satmar Jews are the American version of that. 

A better example would be ultra-secular Jews who do not identify with Israel, but in most cases these Jews also don't strongly identify with Judaism either. Which is fine, I disagree with it strongly and on moral grounds, but one will do what one wants to do.

But, for the most part, Jews who somewhat strongly or strongly identify with the culture, religion etc...have Israel as a top 5 or top 10 issue.

Israel doesn't exist for the mere fact of existing. It exists to better Jewish life, including Diaspora Jewish life. It may not be very successful in the latter, but Israel definitely does more for Diaspora Jews then any political party has or will do.

This continuous effort to split Jews and Israel from each other is not surprising to me, because ultimately the only thing the far-left wants is 100% obedience on all issues.

Also, the Security establishment in Israel is who? Dagan, Halevy? People who are irrelevant in today's world and just want to win the love of the left?





Fine, I'll bite. What does Israel do for Jews who don't live in Israel, and may never have been to Israel and may never go anywhere near Israel?

Ensures that any country that decides their country will be better off without its Jewish population alive has a jacked-up, nuclear-capable Jewish state to deal with before they can do that.

Now, I don't think that's likely to be a problem in America any time soon, but that's one of like 5-10 countries I can confidently say that about.

Illegal nuclear weapons I might add, just like India, North Korea and Pakistan.

Israel may have gotten the bomb before China, a good thirty years before any of those countries.

Yes, but how it is relevant?
75  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: August 07, 2015, 08:23:47 am
Conservatives got rid of two candidates in Quebec this morning.

1. Augustin Ali Kitoko, Hochelaga. He had posted pro-NDP links on his Facebook page 10 months ago.

2 Buddy Ford, Repentigny. He got prosecuted in 2011 for having a pot joint on him (he got an unconditionnal absolution).

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-federales/201508/06/01-4891001-les-conservateurs-evincent-le-candidat-de-repentigny.php (in French, sorry, found no link in English).
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