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51  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders and Clinton have been meeting for over an hour on: June 14, 2016, 10:11:05 pm
They've both gotten in their motorcades and driven off without a word. Uh oh.

What were you expecting?

A joint press conference where Sanders drops out and endorses Clinton?

Hope springs eternal, I guess.

Too late for prime time news today and it would be already old news prime time hour tomorrow. Can expect nothing that press releases at this hour, but I fully expect a complete press conference on another day (that Sanders and Hillary agreed on and which strategists think it's a good idea, you don't want to be obscured by other news).
52  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP senator doesn't rule out a convention challenge to TRUMP on: June 14, 2016, 08:49:05 pm
Good. The Russian mole must be stopped, if you consider yourself a patriot.
53  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Julian Assange:Wikileaks will release new Clinton emails; incriminating evidence on: June 14, 2016, 08:47:42 pm

You mean fake emails written by the FSB?
54  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: London mayor bans "body shaming" advertising (that depicts revealing women) on: June 14, 2016, 07:39:48 pm
I kind of don't understand the enforcement. Plus I don't think it's especially priority, given that the UK is about to have to re-think their entire economy.

He bans them on buses / in the subway, both which are municipal services of London.
55  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Appeals Court Upholds FCC's Net Neutrality Regulations on: June 14, 2016, 07:20:17 pm
This is one of those things I should probably know and care more about...I just don't.  This is good news, yes?

In short, an ISP could sign a deal with Youtube, so Youtube is quicker and the other video websites for very slow.

It would allow ISPs to give a priority for some websites and slow down very much other ones.
56  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: There have been 196 multiple-casualty shootings SINCE Orlando on: June 14, 2016, 05:54:29 pm
[brown line]196 Muslems which would have been stopped if Saint Donald would be President.[/brown line]
57  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: London mayor bans "body shaming" advertising (that depicts revealing women) on: June 14, 2016, 05:35:20 pm
Feminists Team Up With Muslim Mayor to Ban Pictures of Uncovered Women In Public

Atlas MRAs for anorexia!
58  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Christian Hypocrites Celebrate Orlando Shooting on: June 14, 2016, 04:02:18 pm

[brown line]No, these are Muslim leaders.[/brown line]
59  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should Omar Mateen have been legally allowed to buy a gun on June 10, 2016? on: June 14, 2016, 02:19:55 am
Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.



While other dictionnaries only mention the terror part, not the political one. The very meaning of terrorism is subject to a debate, not everyone agrees with your view.
60  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Singer Grimmie dies after Florida shooting, suspect dead on: June 14, 2016, 12:35:36 am
Rest of the world: "Uh oh, there's quite a lot of guns around here. We should probably reduce those before more people get hurt."

USA: "Guns for everybody! You get a gun! And you get a gun! Everybody gets a gun! What's that? There's been a hundred shootings this week? Well... um... More guns for everybody!!"

You never cease to be a condescending asshole, eh Joe. Fewer guns =/= lower crime. Indeed our violent crime has been at a 40 year low since gun ownership began to increase.

Gun ownership is going down, not up (not to confuse with the nuber of guns owned). There is less people owning guns, but the average gun owner owns more than before.
61  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump reiterates support for Muslim ban on: June 13, 2016, 09:55:51 pm
Good. Let's hope WP is taking actand stop all coverage of Trump until they get them back. Play hard ball.
62  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should Omar Mateen have been legally allowed to buy a gun on June 10, 2016? on: June 13, 2016, 08:01:55 pm
Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.

Those have always been my goalposts, dopey.

I'm not a dopey, fascist.

And your goalposts are biaised towards the conclusion you want, so they are totally unusable in debate.
63  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should Omar Mateen have been legally allowed to buy a gun on June 10, 2016? on: June 13, 2016, 07:55:36 pm
Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.
64  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should Omar Mateen have been legally allowed to buy a gun on June 10, 2016? on: June 13, 2016, 07:51:29 pm
Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.
65  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida gunman was known to frequent club on: June 13, 2016, 07:28:39 pm
This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

If you look around the world, youll find that a lot of normal, healthy people have pledged their support for ISIS, so no.

Not in America. Studying who and why some people radicalize is important to be able to identify future terrorists BEFORE they kill people.
66  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: In which states is your last name most common ? on: June 13, 2016, 02:41:48 am
I have 2 last names, both very French-Canadian, one very common, the other quite more rare. Both names follow usual patterns for French Canadian names (in USA, that means New England + Florida), The rarer one has logically holes in some USA French Canadian settlement areas (due to being rarer) and a spike in Kansas, for some reason.

Common one:
Country:
By number:
Canada, United States, France, Germany, South Africa

By frequency: 
Canada, France, United States, New Zealand, South Africa.

State:
By number:
Massachussetts, Maine, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Florida

By frequency: 
Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachussetts

By county:
By number:
Bristol, MA
Hillborough, NH
Hartford, CT
Aroostock, ME
Providence, RI

By frequency: 
Aroostock, ME
Androscoggin, ME
Coos, NH
Hillsborough, NH
Kennebec, ME

Rarer one:
Country:
By number:
Canada, United States, Senegal, Haiti, France

By frequency: 
Canada, United States, Senegal, Haiti, Switzerland

State:
By number:
Massachussetts, Kansas, Connecticut, Florida, New Hampshire

By frequency: 
New Hampshire, Kansas, Alaska, Connecticut, Massachussetts

By county:
By number:
Worcester, MA
Windham, CT
Rooks, KS
And a tie between all those for 4th:
Johnson, KS
Litchfield, CT
Miami-Dade, FL
Hillsborough, NH
Maricopa, AZ

By frequency: 
Rooks, KS
Graham, KS
Windham, CT
Saline, KS
Coos, NH
67  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should Omar Mateen have been legally allowed to buy a gun on June 10, 2016? on: June 13, 2016, 12:06:35 am
As I stated in another thread, I sure do wish "pro-life" Republicans would work as hard at preventing men from getting guns as they do at preventing women from getting abortions.

I love how the party of Jesus so adamantly defends their "God-given right" to have a gun, but any attempt at curtailing gun violence is "TYRANNY!"

And I sure wish the party that espouses the values of Liberalism and tolerance would be more willing to stand up to the regressive and violent religion that has claimed the lives tens of thousands of Americans since 9/11 and apply to them the same scrutiny that they do to Christianity, but I guess neither party is perfect.

This guy was born in the US. No Trumpist anti-Muslim immigration policy would have kept him out.

The FBI had investigated him and found sketchy things but nothing definitive.

The only way you could have prevented this from happening is with stricter gun laws.

And please don't tell me that the people in that club should have had guns too, because then you'd just have a bunch of people shooting at each other in a dark, crowded, smoky nightclub.

It's not just what happened last night. It's the last 8 years of looking the other way, of burying heads in the sand, and of refusing to condemn these people whose warped idealogy has led to the deaths of so many.  I think that could have made a difference.

So had this been a young white man from rural Indiana who went into a gay nightclub and killed 50 people because "Jesus doesn't like the queers," you'd be saying the same thing about Christianity, right?

Since that would be very out of character for an American Christian, I would certainly be surprised.  Rest assured though, I would condemn radical Christianity if it resulted in the deaths of 50 + gays (of which I am one).  Your hypothetical is just that, however, since it doesnt happen, and that is precisely my point.

It's also out of character for an American Muslim.
68  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mass shooting at LGBT nightclub in Orlando. on: June 12, 2016, 10:57:14 pm

Taliban were not existing yet when they immigrated and their ancestor was CIA-backed (to fight against USSR). So, no, you are again totally missing the point.

No. He was a radical back then, and a radical now.

So were all Americans then (as being a radical then in Afghanistan meant fighting against USSR).
69  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mass shooting at LGBT nightclub in Orlando. on: June 12, 2016, 10:33:40 pm

Taliban were not existing yet when they immigrated and their ancestor was CIA-backed (to fight against USSR). So, no, you are again totally missing the point.
70  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Man with assault rifle was going to L.A. Pride parade on: June 12, 2016, 07:52:36 pm
I haven't heard much about this besides the breaking reports, but I suspect both were probably in some form of contact with ISIS leaders/propagandists and that both were totally unaware of the other. As I said in the other thread, this might be just one of many ready to come out and strike.

Not surprising. Only way to fix that is to enforce tolerance in schools (and no walkover from it due to the religious objections of the family) and in public life, no matter how much whining social conservatives do.

Homophobia must be removed from the public live, and bigots, social conservatives and some immigrants too if they try too bstruct.
"Some" immigrants? There is a serious amount of homophobia in non-white, non-Christian communities that goes unnoticed and un-condemned because people are already afraid to speak out without being labelled by the usual suspects. We can talk about how awful the Duggars are for hours-and they are indeed bigots and they are indeed awful-but Mateeb would have just as soon killed them too.

Christian communities are one of the main sources of homophobia and certainly the most vocal. Seems this killer was Christian too. Sorry you can't blame everything on evil Muhammedians.
71  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mass shooting at LGBT nightclub in Orlando. on: June 12, 2016, 07:50:37 pm
To use tragedy as an attempt to push for something is bad, whether you like it or not. You won't change my mind about that.

So, USA should not have entered WWII after Pearl Harbour? After all, it's the result of a tragedy.
72  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics 2.0 (Presidential Election: April 24 & May 22) on: June 12, 2016, 06:38:54 pm
Another major Austrian constitutional expert says the FP's court challenge might succeed to the fullest extent (= runoff being declared illegal and a re-vote is set):

http://derstandard.at/2000038788281/Experte-sieht-gewichtige-Argumente-fuer-blaue-Anfechtung

Can government replaces those judges who dare to reverse popular will?
73  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK 'Brexit' Referendum on the EU on: June 12, 2016, 04:37:35 pm
If the UK leaves the EU, then they should let Scotland leave the UK and join the EU.
They gave Scotland that chance. They said no. Their loss.

One of the big arguments of the No was "Stay in UK to stay in EU".
74  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mass shooting at LGBT nightclub in Orlando. on: June 12, 2016, 04:35:18 pm
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, I suppose.  Whatever, this shooting will pass, and we won't change a thing. We won't institute common sense gun control, and we won't do anything about the flow of people into this country who hate our values and want to kill us.

Dude was an American citizen, so what does this have to do with immigration?

Importing thousands upon thousands of people with similar beliefs will surely do nothing but inflame what is going on with Muslims in the US.  It's that simple.

Preventing others from entering the country wouldn't have stopped this from happening. Seriously, you are trying to tie two issues that aren't related to each other whatsoever.

Yes, actually.  It would have stopped this from happening.

How, exactly?  The shooter was American.

His parents were not.

GREAT point. The refugees themselves aren't the problem; their hypothetical children are.

Yeah, radicals breed more radicals, who would have thought.  They're both a problem.

And idiots breed idiots, so let's hope you never impregnate someone, Brown.
75  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Man with assault rifle was going to L.A. Pride parade on: June 12, 2016, 04:31:58 pm
Not surprising. Only way to fix that is to enforce tolerance in schools (and no walkover from it due to the religious objections of the family) and in public life, no matter how much whining social conservatives do.

Homophobia must be removed from the public live, and bigots, social conservatives and some immigrants too if they try too bstruct.
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