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51  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pence signed it: Add Indiana to the list of states with "religious freedom" laws on: March 27, 2015, 06:44:59 pm
Love that shua, Sanchez, and co. are trying desperately to defend this.  Stop pretending this is anything than what it is, the anti-LGBT agenda in it's death throes.  No more no less... and you are ******* babies.  Whining, bitchy, bigoted babies.  "Ewwwwww... gay people are gross!" <== in a nutshell this is all this is. 

You lost.  Move on. 
The right to discriminate is freedom of association.

No. The fact than someone my make that link is making shudder about the quality of education in Florida, since I don't even see how someone sane can reach that conclusion.

The relationship between a service provider and a customer has nothing to do with freedom of association. Freedom of association is about being free creating organisations, not freedom in customer service. You have to respect customers, you have to give them what they paid for, etc...

If I follow your logic, it would be legal for a service provider to bill people but not give the service, because the service provider is using it's freedom to choose not do it. It's a basic failure of understanding what freedom of association is.
Strawman. Lots of strawman arguments being used against me today.

Have you ever seen the "we reserve the right to refuse service" signs? Those signs allow the owner to turn away clients he/she doesn't want to serve; take, for example, a bar with a customer with a history of starting fights. Does this bar not have the right to refuse service to this man? Why should a florist who happens to be an Evangelical Christian have to serve a gay wedding if it goes against her (wrongly held) religious beliefs? Should this woman I am using as an example have to service the couple just because they approached her first?

Yes, the bar has the right to turn away a customer with an history of starting fights, since it's most likely a violation of the contract between the business and the customer. But, I can't accept the legality of putting "don't be an homosexual" in a contract.
52  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pence signed it: Add Indiana to the list of states with "religious freedom" laws on: March 27, 2015, 05:41:25 pm
Love that shua, Sanchez, and co. are trying desperately to defend this.  Stop pretending this is anything than what it is, the anti-LGBT agenda in it's death throes.  No more no less... and you are ******* babies.  Whining, bitchy, bigoted babies.  "Ewwwwww... gay people are gross!" <== in a nutshell this is all this is. 

You lost.  Move on. 
The right to discriminate is freedom of association.

No. The fact than someone my make that link is making shudder about the quality of education in Florida, since I don't even see how someone sane can reach that conclusion.

The relationship between a service provider and a customer has nothing to do with freedom of association. Freedom of association is about being free creating organisations, not freedom in customer service. You have to respect customers, you have to give them what they paid for, etc...

If I follow your logic, it would be legal for a service provider to bill people but not give the service, because the service provider is using it's freedom to choose not do it. It's a basic failure of understanding what freedom of association is.
53  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2017 B.C election on: March 27, 2015, 05:29:29 pm
Not really a surprise, I was WRONG about redistricting. There will be new boundaries for the 2017 election. I believe Vaughn Palmer wrote about 40 of the 85 present ridings will be affected and there will be two new ridings, one in Surrey and one in Richmond.

The good news for me is that I no longer will be represented by the less than useless Linda Reid, so I will now be free to vote for the B.C Liberal Party should I find them to be a better option than the Greens  or the NDP, though at this point I find John Horgan to be a much better leader than Christy Clark.

I will be moved into the new riding of Richmond-Queensborough, most of which had apparently been previously in the New Westminster riding.  I don't know much about this area's electoral history, but if it's anything like New Westminster, the NDP may actually have a chance to finally win a riding in Richmond, something they haven't done in over 40 years.

You can find the proposed new boundaries on the elections B.C website and you can read about the changes in today's column by Vaughn Palmer.  As Palmer says, the proposed new boundaries are likely to go through without any changes.

I wouldn't be that hopeful. Richmond-Queensborough is mostly a renamed Richmond Est, taking a small part of New Westminster (which isn't a very NDP part of it) and losing some parts in the western of the riding. It's probably still quite Liberal and you may still have Linda Reid, I fear.
54  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins on: March 27, 2015, 03:27:41 pm
NDP would tax stock-options, as more and more executives are paid in stock-options to evade taxes. Would be interested to hear Liberal and Conservative reaction to that.
55  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pence signed it: Add Indiana to the list of states with "religious freedom" laws on: March 26, 2015, 04:19:31 pm
And again, this is only one issue which this law addresses. It's funny how much those who don't give a damn about freedom of conscience were complaining about employers not wanting to offer birth control, now they act like the only religious freedom issue is discrimination against gays because it's a better polemic for them.

True. And if I was a woman or a Muslim I'd be equally as concerned about what excuses people will pull out of their ass for not being a decent human being because of laws like this. But what sort of big social change happening right now in favour of a certain group of people who have suffered open and legal discrimination and harassment, a change that is happening imminently and openly appealed to in the various briefs in support of those bills over the past few years is the catalyst for these legal moves? Don't you think maybe, that religious belief actually has sod all to do with it and it might, just might be an action against a certain minority group?

No, I don't.  People have beliefs that are important to them.  Do you find this odd?

Freedom to not be discriminated is more important than religious freedom. If they don't want to sell flowers to gay people, they are free to change jobs.
56  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arkansas bill would let bosses force employees to friend them on Facebook! on: March 26, 2015, 04:17:45 pm
How did this only get 1 vote against it in the House? 

My guess is than representatives don't really read bills, they vote as their funders say them to vote. They had no clue it was in the bill.
57  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Cornell Dean Says ISIS "Welcome" at school, compares training camps to sports te on: March 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
The whole video is a fraud.  O'Keefe edited out the actual questions that were asked and then inserted his own voiceovers that had nothing to do with the questions:

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=26595

"The controversy enters with O’Keefe’s narration that inserts the words “ISIS” and “terrorist” in place of what was actually said. Then O’Keefe slanders Scaffido by concluding that he is pro-ISIS and that Cornell welcomes terrorists to its campus...The problem that is apparent is that Scaffido’s answers above were not in response to the actual questions asked."

Disgusting, O'Keefe is.



O'Keefe is a disgusting, lying piece of human trash. How has he never been sued for libel or whatever?

Because "free speech" are making your libel laws toothless.
58  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Utah's state House votes 39-34 to reinstitute execution by firing squad on: March 25, 2015, 08:20:17 pm
A good explanation of how Utah's procedure will work, for those who are curious:
Quote
The prisoner is seated in a chair that is set up in front of a wood panel and in between stacked sandbags that keep the bullets from ricocheting around the room.

A target is pinned over the inmate's heart. Shooters aim for the chest rather than the head because it's a bigger target and usually allows for a faster death, said Utah Rep. Paul Ray, who sponsored the proposal.

The prisoner is offered a two-minute window to offer final words. In 1977, Gary Gilmore used that chance to say, "Let's do this," before he died.

Five shooters set up about 25 feet from the chair, with their .30-caliber Winchester rifles pointing through slots in a wall. Assuming they hit their target, the heart ruptures and the prisoner dies quickly from blood loss.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/2326783-155/firing-squad-gets-final-ok-so

I oppose the death penalty, but I think that if we have it at all, executions should be humane, yet they might as well be gruesome.  For both those reasons, the guillotine and firing squad are both preferable to lethal injection.


I'll ask again, what makes everyone think the firing squad sound would be more humane than lethal injection?  People keep asserting that notion in this thread without any real explanation or data.

It's not more humane, but it's more gruesome. More gruesome means it's more likely than there will be a backlash against death penalty.
59  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins on: March 25, 2015, 07:46:46 pm
Bell Media president banned its medias of showing CRTC (Canadian FCC) president footing and to quote the CRTC decision about forcing every cable distributor to allow customers to pick channels they want without having to pick packages.

CTV editorial board decided to ignore the decision after a few hours.

Yet, it's very creepy than some wealthy executive tries to influence information that way. Yay free market!
60  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which natural disasters have you experienced? on: March 25, 2015, 06:40:01 pm
Not much, but I have memories of people here doing collections to send to Montreal area during the 1998 ice storm.

Like Earl said, yes blizzards, but not dangerous enough to call disaster.
I have got the random, harmless earthquake.

The most memorable thing here was a hail storm in 2013, which dagamed houses and cars in a few streets around me.
61  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: RIP Lee Kuan Yew on: March 25, 2015, 03:38:24 pm
I'm not at all surprised to see our blue avatars weeping over a semi-dictatorial figure.

Remember they do the same about Pinochet.
62  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Georgia "patriot" plants pipe-bombs to make people afraid of Muslims on: March 24, 2015, 11:43:01 pm
How long before he gets a show on Fox News?
63  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Gives Final Approval for Same-Sex Marriage on: March 24, 2015, 03:50:59 pm
The problem really isn't with the UMC in the US.  I suspect you'd be quite right that Methodists in the US would by a moderate margin (not as much as many of the other mainline denominations, because of the more Southern-slanted membership of the church) favor greater LGBT inclusiveness in the church, but more than 30% of the members of the UMC are not from the US, with most of them coming from Africa or the Phillippines.  And that proportion keeps growing and growing.

Well, they will have to make a choice. Do they focus on USA and adopt policies than young people will like and attracted to them or they focus on third world backwards countries and start meprising their funders and US members?
64  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: France: Départementales 2015 - March 22/29, 2015 on: March 24, 2015, 03:48:15 pm
Speaking of FG, I am looking at the official website for results.  It seems some PCF lists ran as PCF and other FG.  Why is this?  I thought PCF members are pretty much running as FG these days.
At the local level many PCF candidates distance themselves from the FG because they want to keep working with the PS (they have been working together for years or even decades in local councils). And in general, the PdG and the PCF diverge on this issue.



Also, a couple of PCF candidates withdrew from PS-PCF duels due to the "left withdrawal" tradition (when left parties face each other in the 2nd round, traditionnally, the 2nd withdraws). The reverse happened too.
65  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Worst Relationships between Heads of Friendly or Allied Countries on: March 24, 2015, 03:25:56 pm
Seems like Trudeau and his ego couldn't get along with anyone...

I think he was quite friendly to Fidel Castro, to the point he came to his funeral.
66  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: March 24, 2015, 03:22:45 pm
We get it. Danish people are racist and don't like immigrants. We know, no need to try justify it.
67  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Quebec redistricting, 2015 on: March 24, 2015, 03:10:37 pm
Sainte-Sophie is the largest municipality, so what about Prevost--Sainte-Sophie?

In theory, that might be good, but we know than they will prefer to stick to the previous name Prévost. At least, it's not named after a person.
68  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Quebec redistricting, 2015 on: March 24, 2015, 12:15:10 am
Prevost includes a lot of mountains, so why not call it Sainte-Sophie--Les Monts?

Because there is a lot of mountains in other ridings, too. St-Adèle, Morin Heights, Mt-Tremblant, Ste-Agathe-des-MONTS.

And Ste-Sophie has no name recognition (well, much less than Prévost or St-Sauveur or Piedmont). Old people from my area know it as "the place on the old highway to Montreal where it smells bad".
69  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Quebec redistricting, 2015 on: March 23, 2015, 03:40:14 pm
Obviously, PLQ loses a seat in Montreal and Saint-Maurice. It looks like the new Prevost riding went CAQ, even though it is carved from two PQ ridings. However, the election day maps are deceiving, as we saw a huge difference between E-Day results and absentee ballots. Are you factoring in absentee votes in your transposition?

Also, Les Plaines looks to be a CAQ seat (also carved from 3 CAQ seats).

No, since it's quite complicated and given than the ridings I did yet are small movements involving around 10%, I thought it was useless.

But, I'll do something for the ridings with more changes or being quite close.

For ridings:

Ste-Anne--La Plaine--St-Janvier is a no, since "St-Anne" is too vague and wouldn't help people. Les Plaines--Saint-Janvier would work, but I prefer simpler, really, for there. There isn't much community cohesion anyways, it's growing suburbia.

Prévost is fine.

I would keep Mont-Royal--Outremont since only the half of Côte-des-Neiges is in.

Bertrand: No, Les Laurentides is still too general. It's a region spreading from Mt-Laurier to Blainville, from Argenteuil to Mascouche. It's also a mountain rage ranging from there through Saguenay.

70  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: France: Départementales 2015 - March 22/29, 2015 on: March 23, 2015, 03:22:01 pm
Wierdly, when people were expecting around 5 triangulaires (runoffs with 3 candidates) due to low tunrout, there is 327 cantons were 3 candidates qualified. And one with 4 candidates.
71  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: France: Départementales 2015 - March 22/29, 2015 on: March 22, 2015, 09:43:06 pm
Among wierd things:

The left have odds of actually GAINING a department, Lozère.
Four tickets qualified for the 2nd round in Ambazac, Haute-Vienne (PS 27, FN 25, PCF 24, UMP 23).
72  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Quebec redistricting, 2015 on: March 21, 2015, 10:36:36 pm
First part of partisan impact:

Chauveau, now: CAQ 52, PLQ 30, PQ 12, QS 4, Oth 2
Chauveau, draft: same

Charlesbourg, now: PLQ 42, CAQ 32, PQ 18, QS 5, Oth 3
Charlesbourg, draft: PLQ 41, CAQ 34, PQ 18, QS 5, Oth 3

Expected, Orsainville is a CAQ neighboorhood, in both ridings. Putting more of Orsainville in Charlesbourg helps CAQ.

Richmond, now: PLQ 41, PQ 28, CAQ 22, QS 7, Oth 2
Richmond, draft: same

Orford, now: PLQ 44, PQ 26, CAQ 21, QS 8, Oth 1
Orford, draft: PLQ 44, PQ 26, CAQ 22, QS 8, Oth 1

Not much to say, they are pretty much average villages.

Chomedey, now: PLQ 73, PQ 11, CAQ 11, QS 3, Oth 2
Chomedey draft: PLQ 73, PQ 12, CAQ 11, QS 3, Oth 2

Fabre, now: PLQ 55, PQ 21, CAQ 18, QS 6, Oth 0
Fabre, draft: PLQ 56, PQ 20, CAQ 18, QS 6, Oth 1

Moving a part of the Liberal stronghold Chomedey into another riding obviously helps Liberals.

Vaudreuil, now: PLQ 61, PQ 16, CAQ 16, QS 5, Oth 3
Vaudreuil, draft: PLQ 60, PQ 17, CAQ 16, QS 5, Oth 3

Soulanges, now: PLQ 54, PQ 32, QS 10, Oth 4 (CAQ failed paperwork)
Soulanges, draft: PLQ 55, PQ 31, QS 10, Oth 5

The very anglophone and wealthy Hudson is very, very, very Liberal. Moving it has a slight impact.

La Pinière, now: PLQ 58, Ind 23, CAQ 13, QS 4, Oth 2 (ind was endorsed by PQ)
La Pinière, draft: PLQ 58 Ind 24, CAQ 13, QS 4, Oth 2

Laporte, now: PLQ 48, PQ 24, CAQ 18, QS 8, Oth 3
Laporte, draft: PLQ 49, PQ 24, CAQ 17, QS 7, Oth 3 (counting Houda-Pepin as PQ)

Brossard is quite Liberal, splitting a part away is helping Liberals.

Current change: nil.

Next: Outaouais, Laurentides, Mauricie, Montreal.
73  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Quebec redistricting, 2015 on: March 21, 2015, 06:39:31 am
As someone asked on the Canadian Internation thread, here it is.

After every 2 elections, Quebec gets a new electoral map. We are at draft step, after there will be public audiences + written comments, a report and then Assembly voting on it. 36 ridings are modified, 89 aren't.

The draft is there:

http://lacarte.electionsquebec.qc.ca/en/

Main change is adding two ridings around St-Jérome (Les Plaines and Prévost) while deleting two ridings (St-Maurice in Mauricie and merging Mont-Royal and Outremont together to create Mont-Royal--Outremont, with domino effects on D'Arcy-McGee and Notre-Dame-de-Grâce).

Changes are very slight in other regions, if existing at all. Only one slight change in Quebec City...
Only 36 ridings are changing, 89 don't change at all.

I will run calculations for the exact partisan impact of the redistribution later today, but I would say it's good for PQ. St-Jérôme area is good for PQ, the deleted Montreal seat is a PLQ stronghold and Saint-Maurice has a slight PQ lean, but is currently Liberal. More exact numbers later.

Now, in detail:

Abitibi-Témiscamingue: No change
Bas-Saint-Laurent: No change
Capitale-Nationale (Québec City): 3800 electors are moved from Chauveau to Charlesbourg.
Chaudière-Appalaches: No change
Côte-Nord: No change
Estrie and Centre-du-Québec: Valcourt city and three other municipalities (Valcourt township, Racine and Maricourt) are moved from Richmont to Orford.
Gaspésie: No change

Montréal: One deleted riding, Outremont. The Plateau part of Outremont goes to Mercier, Outremont and the Université de Montréal area goes into a new “Mont-Royal--Outremont” and most of Côte-des-Neiges goes in D’Arcy-McGee, which also takes a part of Côte-des-Neiges which was in Mont-Royal. D’Arcy-McGee also loses its part of Notre-Dame-de-Grâce to Notre-Dame-de-Grâce riding. Westmount--Saint-Louis takes a part of Saint-Henri--Sainte-Anne. The Crémazie/Bourassa-Sauvé border is adjusted to follow the Montréal-Nord borough border.

Laurentides-Lanaudière: Two added ridings, both in St-Jérôme area. A new riding called “Les Plaines” is made from Saint-Janvier part of Mirabel city (Mirabel riding), Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines (Blainville riding) and La Plaine part of Terrebonne city (Masson). This allows to put back all of Blainville city in Blainville riding (a small part is currently in Groulx). Finally for that area, Masson is too small after that, so it takes the Lachenaie part of Terrebonne city from L’Assomption riding.

A new riding called Prévost (like the 1973-2012 one) with six municipalities. 4 from Bertrand (Prévost, St-Sauveur, Piedmont and Ste-Anne-des-Lacs) and 2 from Rousseau (St-Hippolyte and Ste-Sophie). That causes domino effect, obviously. Bertrand fixes that by taking two municipalities from Rousseau (Rawdon and Chertsey) and Rousseau takes three municipalities from Joliette (St-Jacques, St-Liguori and Ste-Marie-Salomé). Joliette being overpopulated right now, it’s the end of the dominoes.

Laval: 2500 electors are moved from Chomedey to Fabre.

Mauricie: The other big change. They go from 5 to 4 ridings. The deleted riding is St-Maurice (the one covering the center of the region). It’s splitted between the three other rural ridings of Mauricie. The Shawinigan, St-Gérard-des-Laurentides et Lac-à-la-Tortue parts of Shawinigan city are moved into Laviolette (north riding), municipalities of St-Boniface, St-Mathieu-du-Parc and the Shawinigan-Sud part of Shawinigan city are moved into Maskinongé (west riding) and Notre-Dame-du-Mont-Carmel is moved into Champlain (east riding). Maskinongé becomes too populated, so 10000 electors from the west of the city of Trois-Rivières are transferred from Maskinongé into Trois-Rivières riding.

Montérégie: Only two changes. Hudson and the non-contiguous part of Vaudreuil-Dorion are transferred from Vaudreuil to Soulanges. Also, the city of Brossard is now separared, 7000 electors are moved from La Pinière to Laporte, to make La Pinière smaller.
Northern Quebec: No change.
Saguenay--Lac-St-Jean: No change

Outaouais: Chelsea municipality is moved from Gatineau riding (which isn’t about the city, but is a rural riding centered on Gatineau River valley) to Hull riding. Also, Chapleau (which is the riding centered on Gatineau) has its limit moved east to lower the population of Papineau, so 2300 electors are moved. That change is within Gatineau city.
74  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Sweden condemned by 57 Muslim countries for Saudi comments on: March 21, 2015, 01:05:33 am
Well, she should accept the award.
75  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - 2015 on: March 20, 2015, 04:40:23 pm

Jacob was very old and low profile. The NDP likely has a far better chance of holding Brome-Mississquoi with a new higher profile candidate than if he tried to run again. Its all good. Apparently one of the people running for the nomination is Yves Mondoux who is a local TV personality/columnist

Yup Yves is running again (he ran for the NDP in 08 in Sherbrooke)
http://www.journalleguide.com/Actualit%C3%A9s/Politique/2015-03-20/article-4084154/Pas-de-second-mandat-pour-Pierre-Jacob-dans-BromeMissisquoi/1

not sure if it was mentioned, Tim Reid who looks to be a lawyer is the Liberal candidate.


No, he lost the investiture to former MP Denis Paradis on February 15.

He is also the brother of the MNA for Brome-Missisquoi and Agriculture Minister Pierre Paradis.
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