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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: American Muslims registering to vote and mobilizing in effort to stop Trump. on: Today at 04:50:51 pm
Why wouldn't American Muslims vote for Trump?
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NRA starts running ads for Trump - go Benghazi, not guns on: Today at 04:43:21 pm
LMAO, I just watched the actual ad. I haven't seen something so corny and cringeworthy since Cruz's Duck Dynasty ad.

Ah, but you are not the intended audience, IceSpear. Wink
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NRA starts running ads for Trump - go Benghazi, not guns on: Today at 04:39:39 pm
What if I told you that there were fewer embassy attacks under Clinton than her predecessor as Sectretary of State?

None was this vicious. And it was all her making. Her policies helped create two failed states. Three, if we also count her senatorial career and Iraq.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: House Benghazi Report Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton on: Today at 04:35:51 pm
She could probably commit mass murder at this point and most people currently supporting her would write it off as a right wing conspiracy.

I don't doubt that bit.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: crowds are massive...why am I not doing better in the polls?’ on: Today at 04:34:09 pm
People ought to remember this when they think that throwing big rallies count as effective campaigning.

What do you consider effective campaigning?
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: House Benghazi Report Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton on: Today at 04:31:09 pm
So only you can use hyperbole? (I said coronation because you were kind enough to call her a Queen. My only problem is that the Snow Queen in her story wasn't very nice. I believe you made an innocent mistake. Hillary is fabulous.)

As for Trump's supposed "immunity," I suggest you check his poll numbers. Is he beating Hillary? Are his favorables good? Are they better than Clinton's? If the answer to all three of these is no, then maybe he isn't quite so immune.

The election is not tomorrow.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: crowds are massive...why am I not doing better in the polls?’ on: Today at 04:26:38 pm
Well, the media are to blame.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NRA starts running ads for Trump - go Benghazi, not guns on: Today at 04:23:39 pm
Very corny: the shots, the scripted lines, all of it. Also, who is Mark Geist? I'm guessing he's someone who's famous in conservative circle-jerks over Benghazi? Nobody who isn't in those circles is going to be aware of him or care about what he says...or care about this non-issue, for that matter.

The people that the ad targets (Never Trump Republicans) will care.

A Venn diagram showing #NeverTrump Republicans and Benghazi enthusiasts would look very much like a hand-drawn illustration of some very full breasts.

Only a total left wing hack would use the term "Benghazi enthusiasts".


Why? What's wrong with using the phrase "Benghazi enthusiasts"? Does it not aptly describe those who are enthused by Benghazi?

"Benghazi enthusiasts" exist only in the idle chatter of the extreme left.

How would you describe people who care about Benghazi?

Patriots
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: House Benghazi Report Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton on: Today at 04:17:32 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi.html

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WASHINGTON — Ending one of the longest, costliest and most bitterly partisan congressional investigations in history, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued its final report on Tuesday, finding no new evidence of culpability or wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton in the 2012 attacks in Libya that left four Americans dead.

The 800-page report delivered a broad rebuke of the Defense Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department — and the officials who led them — for failing to grasp the acute security risks in Benghazi, and especially for maintaining outposts there that they could not protect.

Yet another faux scandal goes up in smoke...how many times does this need to happen before the media and Hillary haters stop taking the bait?


Ah IceSper, but we, Hillary haters need only be right once. You and your Snow Queen, on the other hand, must dodge all bullets coming your way. Wink

Ah Lube, but we, Trump haters need only be right once. You and your Grand Wizard, on the other hand, must dodge all bullets coming your way. Wink

Do you really think that Trump is going to be attacking Hillary but not the other way around? Trump's failed businesses, questionable comments, lack of experience, lies, and much more will be attacked. And unlike Trump, Clinton actually knows how to run a campaign. And while Clinton is running a campaign, Trump will continue with questionable comments, flip-flops, and lies until November when Hillary Clinton is coronated by the American people.

Trump is immune to attacks. It’s a proven fact.

The mere fact that you talk about coronation proves that you are against democracy and would easily accept an Emperor of the United States of America instead of a president. Or a Russian style Empress.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NRA starts running ads for Trump - go Benghazi, not guns on: Today at 04:05:30 pm
Very corny: the shots, the scripted lines, all of it. Also, who is Mark Geist? I'm guessing he's someone who's famous in conservative circle-jerks over Benghazi? Nobody who isn't in those circles is going to be aware of him or care about what he says...or care about this non-issue, for that matter.

The people that the ad targets (Never Trump Republicans) will care.

A Venn diagram showing #NeverTrump Republicans and Benghazi enthusiasts would look very much like a hand-drawn illustration of some very full breasts.

Only a total left wing hack would use the term "Benghazi enthusiasts".


Why? What's wrong with using the phrase "Benghazi enthusiasts"? Does it not aptly describe those who are enthused by Benghazi?

"Benghazi enthusiasts" exist only in the idle chatter of the extreme left.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Nate Silver predicts Clinton will win on: Today at 04:02:04 pm
Are we really going to pretend that Johnson will get more than 2-3% of the vote at best for this entire cycle?

No, of course not. At least I won't. Smiley
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NRA starts running ads for Trump - go Benghazi, not guns on: Today at 03:56:06 pm
Very corny: the shots, the scripted lines, all of it. Also, who is Mark Geist? I'm guessing he's someone who's famous in conservative circle-jerks over Benghazi? Nobody who isn't in those circles is going to be aware of him or care about what he says...or care about this non-issue, for that matter.

The people that the ad targets (Never Trump Republicans) will care.

A Venn diagram showing #NeverTrump Republicans and Benghazi enthusiasts would look very much like a hand-drawn illustration of some very full breasts.

Only a total left wing hack would use the term "Benghazi enthusiasts".
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump forgives his own loans to campaign on: Today at 03:50:16 pm
The only reason to define the money as loans was to get everybody to talk about it.

Trump's understanding of political marketing is unparalleled. He easily dispatched the primary opposition and even though Crooked Hillary is going to be a much tougher nut, she will eventually crack under pressure.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: Mexican planes could be attacking New Hampshire on: Today at 03:43:57 pm
It's quite a hit on Twitter, the media is mocking him deservedly.

Mocking him for what? For a joke?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: House Benghazi Report Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton on: Today at 03:40:56 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi.html

Quote
WASHINGTON — Ending one of the longest, costliest and most bitterly partisan congressional investigations in history, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued its final report on Tuesday, finding no new evidence of culpability or wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton in the 2012 attacks in Libya that left four Americans dead.

The 800-page report delivered a broad rebuke of the Defense Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department — and the officials who led them — for failing to grasp the acute security risks in Benghazi, and especially for maintaining outposts there that they could not protect.

Yet another faux scandal goes up in smoke...how many times does this need to happen before the media and Hillary haters stop taking the bait?


Ah IceSper, but we, Hillary haters need only be right once. You and your Snow Queen, on the other hand, must dodge all bullets coming your way. Wink
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NRA starts running ads for Trump - go Benghazi, not guns on: Today at 03:27:00 pm
Very corny: the shots, the scripted lines, all of it. Also, who is Mark Geist? I'm guessing he's someone who's famous in conservative circle-jerks over Benghazi? Nobody who isn't in those circles is going to be aware of him or care about what he says...or care about this non-issue, for that matter.

The people that the ad targets (Never Trump Republicans) will care.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: Mexican planes could be attacking New Hampshire on: Today at 03:24:33 pm
What, do you guys think this guy is running to be a TV show host? Good grief, you have no respect for the Presidency of the United States.

Trump has a great sense of humor. We don't need a robot in the White House.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should Loretta Lynch recuse herself from the Clinton case? on: Today at 03:01:36 pm
Loretta Lynch should resign.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NRA starts running ads for Trump - go Benghazi, not guns on: Today at 02:59:15 pm
What a great ad!
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: TRUMP supporters/voters: Who's your prefered VP? on: Today at 02:52:39 pm
Christie, I guess.

Not on the list - Tim Scott.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will Johnson voters come home to? on: Today at 02:49:40 pm
What a choice for libertarians!  Fascist foreign policy or fascist domestic policy, pick one.

My guess is that they'll pick neither.  Stick with Johnson if that's who you like. 


I am a libertarian and I choose Trump. Never Hillary.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is this a logical prediction map? on: Today at 02:48:14 pm
In a scenario where Drumpf suddenly righted the ship/a 50-50 race, approximately yes.  Not as the race currently stands.

Though arizona would probably be more strongly blue and maine and nebraska would be solidly red and blue, respectively.  I also happen to think Nevada is about as likely for Drumpf as Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan.

I agree with this, only if Trump managed to bring this race to a 50 - 50 margin.

Ok, I can possibly buy this argument (exactly as the OP's map above is displayed) except for one point.
A 50-50 margin nationally, would not color Florida to trump. Tossup at most.
(PS: Colorado might also then be tossup.)

OK, finally we can have a meaningful discussion. There is nothing to discuss if Hillary wins by 5 or so.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: California "Safety for All" Gun Control Initiative on: Today at 02:08:03 pm
Not in a million years.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is this a logical prediction map? on: Today at 02:02:02 pm
In some ways.

Florida is a pure toss-up and Virginia is leaning D.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will Johnson voters come home to? on: Today at 01:27:45 pm
A recent poll mentioned by Patrick Ruffini showed that many young voters (possibly Sanders fans) mistakenly understand "libertarian" as a variation of "liberal" and that's the reason why they say that they "support" Johnson.

So, you think that the inflated Johnson's numbers come from Sanders supporters? Not from the Never Trump Republicans?

If so, how likely are they to actually switch to Hillary as compared to just staying home?
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