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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The White House: President DemPGH and V.P. Windjammer on: July 22, 2014, 12:46:28 pm
Wasn't there suppose to be a confirmation hearing for Snowstalker?
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 22, 2014, 12:42:47 pm
As one of the Senators who voted for this, I must say that repealing this bill does not look like the right way to me as well. That said, I am interested in taking an alternative road as Yankee has already suggested. I know I'm being vague in this, but what do think would be a reasonable increase in order to address this, Yankee? (to get a measure of the spending involved)
Do you realize that the senate who voted this bill is exactly the same senate that we have today? Tongue

Duke/Cinci have been just replaced by DemPGH/Windjammer!


Well atleast all the seats were somewhat contested, even if they kept the same people. Tongue
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 22, 2014, 12:39:47 pm
I think we should determine it by a percentage. The present minimum wage is 12.50 plus whatever indexing has come into effect.

How about 10-5-5-5?
So a 10% increase the first year in the minimum wage would have yielded 1.30 more an hour followed by by 5% the years to follow for the next three years would add 65 cents a year for the next three years.

$2,058 +$1,014, + $1,014 + $1,014 for a total of $5,100 more a year at the end of four years.

So you would adjust the formula by X amount during year one to get that 2,058 and then by y amount each year for the next three to get that $1,014.

And if you are interested, the equivalent of the FLSA schedule would be $1.50 the first year followed by a $1.00 each year afterwards so $2,340+1560*3= $7,020 more a year at the end of four years. The formula would then be adjusted similarly.

TJ drew up the formula as a I recall that we ended up using and shua has provided me with necessary formulas since then and he is gone for three more days. Lumine can you provide an assistance in this regard?

4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Wages for Housework Act on: July 22, 2014, 12:23:51 pm
What does the total cost of this look like?

That's a concern that I have as well.

I'm also wondering if there shouldn't be a limit to something like this or if there would even be an incentive to find work.

It also seems innefficient to create yet another program. If we were to do something like this it would make more sense to do it as an extension of the minicome.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (Another NEW VOTE, CHECK THREAD!!!) on: July 22, 2014, 12:20:06 pm
The amendment has passed 8-0.


Any more amendments?

And yes I do like this one at a time process. Smiley
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: July 22, 2014, 11:49:05 am
I think so, it appears to contain all the changes from the last amendment.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Ukrainian Technical, Economical and Military Aid (Debating) on: July 22, 2014, 11:48:06 am
AYE
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 22, 2014, 11:43:24 am
Would there by any interest on the part of the Senators, particularly those of Labor for such an alternative approach as I previously described?

I have usually been supportive of most all of minimum wage policies that have come throguh here. I think it serves a purpose in spite of the consequences that it has and I know the difficulties when you don't earn enough to pay the bills. But that said it does have negative attributes and if an alternative is possible, which should seek to utilize that instead, as opposed to remaining glued to the same imperfect approach. Afterall, what was the purpose of the Nixcome in the first place, if we aren't going to utilize it as the umbrella or broad approach to ensure that people have a living income? A living wage has a role to play as a part of that puzzle particularly in the short term, but it was not to be the whole affair and over time should become less and less a relative portion of that policy as money and resources allow for the utilization of other more efficient means to achieve the amounts targed for by the Minimum Income formula.

This Senate seems to be rather lifeless I must say (nine slots or so and little to no interest on virtually everything), so why not have a debate both on the Nixcome formula and the means by which to pay for such?
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Corporations Aren't People Amendment (Final vote) on: July 22, 2014, 11:38:15 am
NAY

We never heard anything back from the President and think this too much of a hatchet approach to the Bill of Rights regarding collective rights, when a scapel is necessary.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: #420YES Amendment (debating) on: July 22, 2014, 11:36:27 am
So, where is this at present?
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sweet Sixteen Act of 2014 (Final vote) on: July 22, 2014, 11:35:39 am
If I recall correctly from my Baroque era Franco-Spanish history, Philip, Duke of Anjou was just 16 when he was willed the throne of Spain in 1700/1701.

I really don't know, I would like to have some more answers before I vote.

I believe he was, but he doesn't seem to have been ready at the start. At the time of the Battle of Almansa perhaps, but my knowledge on the War of the Spanish Succession is still quite basic...

That said, Nay.

I first got my taste for the history of the War of the Spanish Succession in 2004 when I acquired the game Versailles II: Testament of a King at Big Lots. I only realized later that it is not only rare but quite a bit more expensive then what I paid for it. Anyway it contained some nice charts depicting the relationship betweens Carlos II, Louis XIV and Leopold I, and how there kids/grandkids stood up dyanstically in the struggle, not to mention the years of birth for the dauphin's sons including Philip V.

I am pleased that someone responded but I must say it didn't contain any information on how to guide my vote.

Abstain
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Public Fuel and Power Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 22, 2014, 11:23:20 am
It is somewhat discomforting to return from a three day absence to find you are the last person to have posted on not one but multiple bills. Tongue
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Fair Hiring Act of 2014 (At Final Vote) on: July 22, 2014, 11:19:19 am
Abstain


I would agree with Tyrion, but I am leary of expanding such a policy beyond the federal level. I would have no problem supporting such a policy in the IDS as well, I just prefer not to move responsbilities up the ladder if possible.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment of 2014 (Debating) on: July 22, 2014, 11:17:03 am
Like I said before I think the best way to resolve this one way or the other is a series of votes. I would recommend an amendment vote on whether or not to have PR and thne another on what form that takes, either open list or closed list with such left as TBD in the first amendment of course.


15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Wages for Housework Act on: July 22, 2014, 11:14:54 am
What does the total cost of this look like?
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: Help For Those Who Seriously Can't Help Themselves Act (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 04:09:29 pm
I would recommend formulating a cost limit because I can assure you the need will exeed it. The high costs in the infamous comprehensive mental healthcare will pushing the lower range as it was and yet were deemed to high. The numbers escape me off hand, but double digit billions of dollars certainly. Regionalized, it is a huge chunk of change. Taking what you have as a maximum amount, you can then determine what such is likely to achieve and then whether or not to proceed is deemed worthwhile.
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 04:05:39 pm
Yes. I want to unite everyone against the tyranny of Dave Liep and Nym90. We must make Inks top dog.

Now this petition will never get signatures.
Well fine, how about Keystone Phil?

Running this place has a tendency to destroy one's popularity/support.
18  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 04:04:44 pm
Yes. I want to unite everyone against the tyranny of Dave Liep and Nym90. We must make Inks top dog.

Burned alive it is. Wink Tongue

19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Local Office of IDS Emperor Scott - Salisbury, NC (IDS LEG ELECTION!!!!) on: July 19, 2014, 03:57:28 pm
I find it a little sad that none of the candidates have ran a pm campaign (or at least none that I know of). They should have campaigned more.

Yea, I ended up merely voting for the incumbents and then a person as the declared non-incumbent and then finally a selection of people who can serve/should have ran. A person could have gotten a higher preference probably had he PMed me.

Perhaps healthcare will change that, particulaly with an individual mandate in the mix. Motivate more candidates/interest for August.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: Help For Those Who Seriously Can't Help Themselves Act (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 03:47:57 pm
One of the biggest areas of concern is lack of facilities and also specifically with regards to children, the problem whereby children fall through the cracks of the system as they become adults.

As for research I will draw your attention to the federal statute passed a few months ago. Building on that I would say that care techniques are important, because the use of technology can allieviate some of the lack of capacity issues as well as was to create and broader management of the illness to ensure they receive on-going treatment even as they mature into adults. The problem of lack of facilities will remain to some extent as there are some patients that just cannot be treated out-patient or through therapy done via a two way video chat, known as teletherapy. The cost thought is rather high, and we have basically operated over the past sixty years as if everyone can be dealth with out-patient. In some case, 80% and even 90% reductions in capacity have occured compared to the 1950's and the population has grown significantly since then.

And causation is a critical area that needs all the research it can get. As for cost, I wouldn't be able to say as that would have to depend on the amount of available funds in the regional budget and we basically avoided the issue in the Senate by redirecting existing funding to the state priorities.

21  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 03:30:58 pm
For kicks I am going to pretend this is the serious intended desire, in the form of a nice clean joke.


So would you prefer to be burned alive, or just asphyxiated instead? Tongue
Neither, I want to run this dump into the ground.

I thought merely that you were lampooning the board and most specifically the Lets Ban X threads. So you are have grander visions?
22  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 03:28:11 pm
For kicks I am going to pretend this is the serious intended desire, in the form of a nice clean joke.


So would you prefer to be burned alive, or just asphyxiated instead? Tongue
23  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: No, seriously, let's talk about outofbox6. on: July 19, 2014, 03:25:03 pm
I am shocked, shocked I tell you to learn that the general population on the Atlas is rather litteral and superficial sect of a supposedly intelligent population. In short, sarcasm need not apply here. Tongue
24  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: No, seriously, let's talk about outofbox6. on: July 19, 2014, 03:20:37 pm
Guys, we've all done bad sh**t on here (except Mechaman). Tommy's a nice kid.

What would Mechaman be without his rather "interesting" debut as the anarchic bomb thrower we all grew to know and love in 2009 and 2010? Wink
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 19, 2014, 03:15:34 pm
shua's original bill was only the payroll tax holiday. Onto that we tacked on other things deemed harmful to the long-term unemployed, including the high minimum wage schedules. It was always my intent at least, as a compensatory measure for the Nixcome to be increased as a substitute, even before the Long-Term Unemployment Bill was drafted. The problem was that said bill dragged on far longer and it had to be left for a subsequent bill as inevitably paying for it/adjusting the formular would be somewhat complicated.
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