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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act (Final vote) on: March 29, 2015, 09:41:14 pm
Treason, rebellion, wiki edits. I mean, it really screams out as belonging there.

So like we are going to ban people from ever holding an office in a fantasy game because of wiki edits? I realize the Sirnick thing and all that, but isn't just a little nuts?

Considering the wiki is essentially our National Archive, "editing with malicious intent" would be the equivalent of running into the Library of Congress with a torch. Attacking our governing documents is a serious crime and should be treated as such.

I applaud the president for signing this bill: it will make understanding our Constitution much easier, especially for newcomers like myself. 

Good point and what do you imagine the likely punishment for that is? Five years? ten years maybe? A life time ban on holding office is virtually a death sentence in this game or at the very least life in prison.

The question here is not "should every case be punished with a lifetime ban?" but "is a lifetime ban justifiable in certain situations?" While I agree that 99 out of 100 cases of wiki vandalism do not deserve so serious a sentence, there have been instances in the past (the SirNick incident, for example) that were severe enough to merit a lifetime ban.

Like Bore said, this is only a maximum sentence, and it's hard to imagine the court handing down a life ban for minor vandalism. Ultimately, though, in the event of a truly severe assault on our governing documents, it's only prudent to allow the judiciary to fit the punishment to the crime.

The Sirnick incident wasn't on the wiki though.

I don't think Sirnick's actions justify a lifetime ban, but then frankly I don't think anythng justifies a lifetime ban from an online game. Though destructive actions that do take the fun out of the game fo others because someone is pissed off or just cannot get their way, that is certainly something that should received two to three years (The maxmimum for sock voting by the way is two years, shame no one bothered to guess more or less look it up Tongue).
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: Stop PMing Me Act on: March 29, 2015, 09:36:39 pm
Hagrid just been kicked to the curb. Its now the Love Tales of Griffin and X. Tongue

Whilst we are on this subject of PMing, I will give one of my annoying history lessons. I will say that I have sent my fair share of PMs, but I also had a public campaign ever time. In 2010, I won >80% of the vote in all three elections for DS/IDS Regional Senator that year. However, and this is easy to glose over with all the RPP-JCL hegemony omg omg omg Dissolution save us bs, but in February I had just six RPPers in the region and by June we had just four (DWTL made it five,  but hadn't posted in seven months. It was just Duke, myself, Tb75 and Brandonh) whilst the Populares had nine. Things had improved by October (PiT rejoined and both Devilman and Giovanni moved to the region), but the Populares still outnumbered us by 2 and yet I beat an RPPer turned Populares SPC who I had trailed in the polls (sound familiar) 16 to 3 (one of whom was Brandonh). The way I did it was by aggressive PM outreach to JCPers (who even endorsed me in the last election and actually had votes enough for that to matter in the region Tongue), and even Populares members. Hell even Jbrase voted for me I think in that election and I was far less libertarian then than I am now. Of course Jbrase knew that I was the most consistent defender of the Populares post Hamilton in the RPP and at that time we wanted to maintain the alliance against the left in other regions (we were within one vote in the NE and ME of sweeping three regions) and nationally (AndrewX24ever), knocking me out would have been counterproductive.

It is very easy to beneficit by doing it all by PM. You don't have to be consistent, you can be Richard Nixon, everything to everybody. You can talk like a liberal in the Bay Are and an unreconstructed Southerner in Appalachia. I never lied to anyone and most everything discussed issue wise centered around stuff that was also a feature in the campaign. And yes, I have had someone complain about my PMs, though that was sent for the sake of the Presidential elections not for myself and was from someone registered in another region.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act (Passed) on: March 29, 2015, 10:06:55 am
Mr. President, how is that any different then registering a sock to vote to win an election?

Does that carry a potential lifetime ban on holding office? I think the maximum is a tad lower than that. Wink

Also the last instance where sock voting affecting an election outcome was Winston versus Barnes, Feb 2010 in the NE. When was the last time any case of malicious editing was found? There may have been one in 2009 but I cannot remember and hence my point. Yes, you need a stiff penalty, but if deterance is what you want then surely the demand for such should govern the extent and in this case, I see no such equivalent demand for deterance to justify a life time ban on holding office.

Just because a crime is rarely committed doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished. Besides, and this bares repeating, it is a maximum penalty, there would be very few cases where this maximum was enforced. Also, as long as the president has the ability to issue pardons even life time bans don't really exist because sooner or later a president will come along who gives the person another chance.

I never said it shouldn't be punished. I just said the one justification for such an extreme maximum, that of a widespread outbreak, is not present.

Sooner or later a president comes along...sounds rather arbitrary.

What is the maximum sentence for sock voting? Tongue Its long but not indefinite. Wink
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act (Passed) on: March 29, 2015, 03:01:46 am
Mr. President, how is that any different then registering a sock to vote to win an election?

Does that carry a potential lifetime ban on holding office? I think the maximum is a tad lower than that. Wink

Also the last instance where sock voting affecting an election outcome was Winston versus Barnes, Feb 2010 in the NE. When was the last time any case of malicious editing was found? There may have been one in 2009 but I cannot remember and hence my point. Yes, you need a stiff penalty, but if deterance is what you want then surely the demand for such should govern the extent and in this case, I see no such equivalent demand for deterance to justify a life time ban on holding office.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act (Final vote) on: March 29, 2015, 02:52:53 am
Treason, rebellion, wiki edits. I mean, it really screams out as belonging there.

So like we are going to ban people from ever holding an office in a fantasy game because of wiki edits? I realize the Sirnick thing and all that, but isn't just a little nuts?

Considering the wiki is essentially our National Archive, "editing with malicious intent" would be the equivalent of running into the Library of Congress with a torch. Attacking our governing documents is a serious crime and should be treated as such.

I applaud the president for signing this bill: it will make understanding our Constitution much easier, especially for newcomers like myself. 

Good point and what do you imagine the likely punishment for that is? Five years? ten years maybe? A life time ban on holding office is virtually a death sentence in this game or at the very least life in prison.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: Stop PMing Me Act on: March 29, 2015, 02:46:53 am
Are we copying legislative posts in triplicate now or did you downgrade to dial up Duke? Wink



7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Wiki Project of Personal Gloating on: March 29, 2015, 02:20:56 am
     I have a Wiki page that has not been updated since late 2010.

Wo wo wait just a minute. You mean you are not Emperor anymore?

I miss late 2010.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Convention (Leadership Elections) on: March 29, 2015, 02:10:24 am
And father PiT and I are the right's timeless agents,

9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Convention (Leadership Elections) on: March 29, 2015, 02:02:35 am


are fueled by a

10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Convention (Leadership Elections) on: March 29, 2015, 01:52:01 am
If only you believe, like I believe, baby
like I believe, we'd get by
if only you believe in miracles (if only you'd believe in miracles)
So Would I.

If only you believe, like I believe, baby
like I believe, we'd get by
if only you'd believe in miracles (if only you'd believe in miracles)
So Would IIIIIIIIIII

I might have to move heaven and earth
to prove it to you baby (baby)
So were gonna live, You can feel the power and I feel the power
There's really nothing we can't do (You Know We Could, You Know We Could)
If we wanted to (You Know We Could, You Know We Could)
We could exist on the stars, it was so eeeeeaaaaaasy
You know all we gotta do, is have a little faith in you

Ohhh I've been so many places, I have seen some bad (Yes I Have)
I know that love is the answer (Yes it is)
Keeps holding this world together
Ain't Nothin Better, Ain't Nothin Better

And all the answer to our problems
Yea its the same everywhere (yea its the same now)
Nothing ever breaks us apart (its a game now)
woo tears give you away now (ain't it a shame now)
When your right where I found you,
with our hands together now

Woo wo wowo wo oh baby baby love is the magic word (ewww yeah)
If you ever find inner light.
But from the very first time we met, I saw we're apart
Only our parties were apart, that maybe crazy
But that was so easy, so easy
I had a taste of the real world,
when I down last month

If only you believe, like I believe, baby
like I believe, we'd get by
if only you'd believe in miracles (if only you'd believe in miracles)
So Would IIIIIIIIIII

If only you believe, like I believe, baby
like I believe, we'd get by
if only you'd believe in miracles (if only you'd believe in miracles)
So Would IIIIIIIIIII

Its like baloons and rainbows,
whenver we work together (Never Say Never)
I feel swerving and dancing whenver the results come in.
We ripple like a giant wave when we work together
When I start dancing beside you, I make you worry so
But I love you so, love you so (love you so, love you so)

eww yeah (eww yeah), all right (all right)
baby with sugar on it tonight
Every time it comes by let us try (let us try)
Thats how I like it.
I can't even believe it with you
its like having everything we ever wanted.
The dream of a lifetime.


How about a song from when you were -9 Polnut? Tongue


I did as much as I could in such short time this favorite of mine to de-sensualize (to the absolute minimum necessary to not scare away people Grin) and make this song fit the situation.
Miracles by Jefferson Starship (the uncensored version I would add) is one of my top five favorite songs and for a while was my most favorite.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Convention (Leadership Elections) on: March 29, 2015, 01:05:27 am
Well twelve isn't too bad. Wink

I will include the last two voter since it won't change the result

NC Yankee (12): PiT, JoMCar, Goldwater, NC Yankee, TJ in Cleve, Pessimistic Antineutrino, ModerateVoter, JCL, CelticEmpire, SNJ1985, RGN and Cassius.

NC Yankee is reelected to the position of Federalist Party Chairman

PiT (The Physicist) (12): PiT, JoMCar, Goldwater, NC Yankee, TJ in Cleve, Pessimistic Antineutrino, ModerateVoter, JCL, CelticEmpire, SNJ1985, RGN and Cassius.

PiT is elected to the position of Federalist Party Vice Chair.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: March 29, 2015, 12:37:12 am
I am running for election as At-Large Senator in April.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Okay For Real This Time: Dis Guns For Hire!!! on: March 29, 2015, 12:32:52 am
Now that the gas line has been repaired and the crazed, drunken heckler removed we shall proceed where we left off.

I plan to push for some new ideas or at the very least ideas that I have not emphasized as much in the past because whilst things have improved greatly, particularly in the individual regions thanks to the hard work of Governors and Emperors alike (it was still called that when these actions were taken Tongue). The time has come thought to lock in that success and there are important changes that will have to be made in my view to ensure that continue as we have been going and not regress later on. This will require the formation of competative blocks in each region and a regional party system that forces both competition and encourages participation. In the coming days I will outline a series of changes that I would like to see occur, a good many of which come straight from the Duke or MaroDuke agendas.

Whilst we are on that subject, I am not satisfied with the fact that we have created the Speakership in place of the PPT and if one of my reforms is to succeed then it will need to be reversed, but I will save that discussion for a subsequent speech. I think we can still look at further reforms of the legislative branch in Nyman. Presently, there is a debate about districts going on and passage seems likely as only Mr. Lief has stated opposition and unless he can rally his party against it, the results are fairly obvious. I have long disdained the system by which we elect at-Large Senators, but on the flip side it is all I and most Atlasians have ever known. The loss of competative specials, is also a concern many have expressed and one I would tend to share as well.

I mentioned early the reforms that have occured in the regions with how they are functioning. One of the absolute necessitites is to realize that now is not the time to start removing responsibilities and actions from them, but to instead use this time to illustrate just what the regions can handle and so far the answer from Nyman has been nothing. We need to pursue and enact more policies that involve the regions or better yet let the regions take the lead role with Nyman in a supporting capacity. It is then for the regions to pick up the ball and run with it, but a culture that has come to embrace and accept regional failure also needs to be changed as well to ensure that these efforts are met with success. No less than President bore himself has expressed some understanding or agreement for the need to ensure the regions have exlucisivity over a certain issue set.

I intend to break these issues down and dedicate some remarks or even an event to not only these matters but also those that weren't included in this round. For now though I would like to thank the people for turning out on this day and President Duke for inviting me to speak at his grand event. I hope that over the course of the campaign I will have earned your vote for me in these At-Large Senate elections.

Thanks and Dave Bless
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Okay For Real This Time: Dis Guns For Hire!!! on: March 29, 2015, 12:06:40 am
Yankee belongs to the Senate. The Senate is his natural habitat. Endorsed (duh! Tongue) Smiley

I lost him somewhere between 12 and 13.

And, yeah, I think we can all agree we can't afford some freak incident where Yankee becomes President and leaves the Senate. Wink
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Okay For Real This Time: Dis Guns For Hire!!! on: March 28, 2015, 11:47:30 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpT-FW_G8-A
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Okay For Real This Time: Dis Guns For Hire!!! on: March 28, 2015, 12:17:15 pm
Duke Presidential Library
March 28, 2015
1:00 PM


I stand before you today on the site of what will be the focal point of our recent history. The Duke Presidential Library, presently under construction. I was invited here to speak by our distingushied devilishly handsom friend and former President. I want to say that I wish him luck on this momentus project and that unlike some times when I have gotten him into trouble with crazy suggestions, this one should be nothing but positive all around. The Duke Presidency was a great time in Atlasia and its luster shall only glow with the perspective of subsequent events making it look even better with hindsight. From reforming healthcare to saving the Pacific region, to yes, pushing for some controversial reforms the era of good feelings had something good for everyone to enjoy.

I come here not to talk just about the past, but also about the future and say yes I am Kira... er I mean I am running for At-Large Senate in April. I plan to push some timeless ideas and values, but I also have a couple of new ones that I will share in the coming...

Sir, Sir, I am afrair you have to leave the premises.
Why?
We have kind of accidentally ruptured a gas line.


To be Continued...
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Wiki Project of Personal Gloating on: March 28, 2015, 12:40:44 am



PURPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh oh, I just got Yanks hopes up. The inevitable crash will be fierce and unrelenting.

You should know me better then that. Tongue I have you surrounded by armed guards, there is no escape from here.

And all this time I thought that was just the Secret Service that all retired Atlasian presidents get for our future protection.

History repeats itself.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Mideast Record-Courier Polls: April At-Large Senate Elections on: March 27, 2015, 10:02:33 pm
I have a hard time believing Labor is going to cede two seats in this election. Certainly they will try for two.

We will, of course.

One would think it would be rather obvious of course.

Plus all those lose Labor votes flying around could be dangerous. The last time that happened we got Nappy and Xahar (yea Nappy was technically Labor at the time but rather in name only at that point). Tongue
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Petition to Impeach Attorney General Al on: March 27, 2015, 09:52:48 pm
Hey, Zuwo and I may not have had interacted that much this past year, but he will always be a fellow RPPer at heart and nothing will ever change that. So lay off the Swiss, you crazy Pole. Tongue
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: GriffGraph Polling: Pick Your At-Large Senators on: March 27, 2015, 09:46:34 pm
Can someone get me the definitive list of socks, so I can be sure to preference everyone of them.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: GriffGraph Polling: Pick Your At-Large Senators on: March 27, 2015, 09:44:05 pm
Hey, whilst we are on the subject, did you get my PM, Kal? The one linking to a thread from 2011 where Nappy asked what happened to the NE in early 2010, and we both responded Hamilton.


Hilarious.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: GriffGraph Polling: Pick Your At-Large Senators on: March 27, 2015, 10:17:31 am
And another poll bites the dust.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Wiki Project of Personal Gloating on: March 27, 2015, 02:05:06 am
Quick grab him before he escapes again!
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Wiki Project of Personal Gloating on: March 27, 2015, 02:03:41 am
BACON!
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act (Final vote) on: March 27, 2015, 01:27:55 am
Treason, rebellion, wiki edits. I mean, it really screams out as belonging there.

So like we are going to ban people from ever holding an office in a fantasy game because of wiki edits? I realize the Sirnick thing and all that, but isn't just a little nuts?
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