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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could Trump Pick a Relatively Unknown Candidate for VP? on: Today at 05:31:46 am
Brown is his best option, especially since he endorsed him before the NH primary. He doubles down on a similar base of appeal (working-class appeal) and at the same time provides some ideological balance and as well as ease the concerns some would have about his governing style. If Trump is gunning for working-class cross over from Bernie supporting Indies and Democrats, that is his best option.

Of course, the Cruz supporters will go ape or at least the media will try and spin that narrative.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Libertarian Donald Trump once again proves his sensible foreign policy on: Today at 05:22:26 am
Good to see that the libertarian movement is uniting behind TRUMP

Aren't you anti-libertarian?

I basically hate everyone lol

That's not healthy...you need to lighten up some..

I remember those days.  Good Times!
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: North Carolina on: Today at 03:15:26 am
I believe that the last 2 elections were flukes in North Carolina.  In 2008, Obama didn't make a play for NC until after the financial collapse.  After that, the stars lined up perfectly for him.  The financial crisis hit Charlotte hard.  Black turnout was historic for Obama.  Even after all this, Obama barely eked the state out by half a point.  In 2012, Black turnout was again historically high, and Romney had all sorts of problems with evangelical voters because he was a Mormon.  Yet he still won the state by 2 points.  If in future elections ,black turnout drops back to where it was in 2000 and 2004, I think that NC is off the table as a swing state. 

Romney turned out more Evengelicals than Bush 2004 did (26% of the Electorate as opposed to 23%) and both got the same 78% among that group.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Did Republican troubles in the north start in the 70's? on: Today at 03:06:28 am
The real answer is 1932. The New Deal coalition meant that the NE would default to the Democrats with the big city machines and unions, followed by the strong African-American support that started in 1936. 

Republicans could win when turnout dropped and Democrats were unpopular like 1946 or when they had a popular General as President like 1952. But when they pissed the unions off, or the economy went bad, it was brutal (1948, 1958 and 1974). The Republicans couldn't win and sustain themselves on level high enough to get the majorities in Congress while being excluded from two regions. So they had to either deal and move to reflect the new reality, or look to craft a Conservative coalition in a different region. In so doing that over time alienated the populations that were part of their original, natural but now outvoted GOP base. However, it should be noted that said group was changing as well.

Religion decline massively amongst Protestants in the North and at the same time Environmentalism became really big in those same rural areas like Vermont. So the natural population of WASPs is now moving more and more left, and even more than that you had a massive influx of people like Sanders. Vermont would vote more like Maine if it were not for those migrations of left wingers, just like New Hampshire would vote more like Maine were it not for the in-migration of those Conservatives during the same time period.

The decline of religion at the same time the GOP was re-ambracing it caused the problem, not embracing it out of the blue alienating a historically secular base. The GOP had long been tied to Protestant zealotry in many areas. Second of all, for those increasingly secular voters who were lower middle and working class, the embrace of the sunbelt economic policies, removed those policies that could keep them on economic issues. So once again the native populations in places like those along the upper Mississippi and rural New England meant that neither wedge issues, nor economic ones provided any pull for those voters to vote Republican.

Finally, you have the death knell for the GOP in the suburbs of that region in 1992 once the recession hammered white collar people, people who thought themselves secured from such, and that it happned during a Republican Presidency, delegitimized them on the kitchen table issues at the same time that now not only Protestant, but Catholic religiousity was slipping and social issues would prove alienating. I agree, NJ was lost as a competative state in the 1990's.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Did Republican troubles in the north start in the 70's? on: Today at 02:48:26 am
New Hampshire was solid Republican in the 1980s. It was one of Reagan's best states both times and Bush Sr.'s second best.

New Hampshire had an influx of people from Massachusetts in the 1960's and 1970's that hated busing and the high taxes of Massachusetts and therefore they love Nixon and they loved Reagan and they certainly would have gone gang busters for Bush 41 who would fit not only them but the native population as well.

6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Did Republican troubles in the north start in the 70's? on: Today at 02:45:20 am
Woodrow Wilson who was the predecessor of FDR and student of Bryan-Jennings put Karl Marx socialism to good use when they placed the Income tax on Wealthy, to each according to need, Transformed the Democrats to Labor movement, enroads in Philly, NYC

OC, seriously, what in the f^ck are you talking about?  LOLOLOL.

The part that could make some sense is that the embracing of Progressivism by Bryan's heir Wilson, the sort of morphing of Democratic Populism into Democratic Progressivism, allowed the Democrats to take advantage of the demographic changes in the North in a way that Bryan never could.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Generation Z begins to vote in 2020... how will that change things? on: Today at 02:38:19 am
June 16, 2020:

The White House Chief of Staff walks into the oval office and says in a grating voice, "President Trump, what do you say about the youngest voters' energy level?"

President Trump: It's...


Considering what comes afterwards, probably bring the apocalpyse.

8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The silver lining in the horribleness of it all for me on: Today at 12:35:51 am
Of course, that's ludicrous to a post-reformation, post-enlightenment, secular mind, and as an peace-loving, hippy-dippy liberal atheist I'm delighted to live in a world without those people, but I think the psychology of those people is a little more complicated than we understand it - i.e., they weren't just villains or psychos.

I love this line. It is critical to any historical analysis to refrain from projecting modern presumptions onto a previous time period for precisely that reason. If 99% of the people are crazy in a certain year, it kind of negates impact of the meaning of the word crazy and the point of even bringing it up that they were so, unless it is to make a point about progress or something.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: SC-Opinion Saavy: Trump 36% Cruz 20% Rubio 15% Bush 11% Kasich 9% Carson 5% on: Today at 12:28:07 am
Let us dispel with this fiction once and for all that Trump has a ceiling. 49% of NH voters said they would be satisfied with Trump as the nominee. Now that is terrible on the surface it means that in a consolidated race, his ceiling is not 30% or 35% like Megyn Kelly is desperately begging for it to be, it is at least 49% and probably closer to 60%-65% at this stage. And from what we have seen so far, it is the ever rising ceiling.

Trump can win this nomination at 45% and guess what morning consult has him at 44%.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The silver lining in the horribleness of it all for me on: February 12, 2016, 11:53:29 pm
I feel pretty confident now, that Cruz has no path to the nomination (he's not going to win SC, so where is he going to win?). Heck, and macho Texas is going to love the macho Trump, not the clever lawyer who uses Clintonesque tactics. They are made for each other. So at least that aspect of the chamber of horrors is fading away.
I agree that he is not going to get the nomination. I say this because, although he could beat Trump one on one, I don't see all the others dropping out anytime soon.
However, Trump could be just as bad and possibly harder to beat in the general election. Therefore Trump, who wants to takes us back to the good old days and make America great again, when the natives were slaughtered and witches were burned (or maybe just hung), scares the hell out of me. He mocks Cruz for being a little apprehensive about cruel and unusual torture. Do we really want to go back 1000 years? Wouldn't it be better to support someone who will take us forward?

Your best defense against that though is Trump himself. His ego. He has the best buildings, the best company, went to the best schools and got the best grades. Do you really think he wants to be anything but "the best President in history"? I think the artist formerly known as Hammy and Nappy on here made that point on a certain other site a few months back.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump a libertarian? on: February 12, 2016, 11:45:30 pm
Conservatism also has an application model or method bearing its name that brings with it a degree of restrain and legalism, that is also not implied or fundamental if someone is just right wing.

12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump a libertarian? on: February 12, 2016, 11:43:53 pm
What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

Sure, but on things like the political matrix you definitely get left wing points because it is a decidedly anti-free market policy.

Conservatism is not libertarianism. The whole notion of an embrace of smaller government by Conservatism is a Progressive Era reaction to the growth in gov't as people began to find it inconvenient, their you had a newborn conservative. Whether it is a taxed business or a guy whose farm got regulated by a gov't agency, or an oil well that got shut down for not meeting EPA standards.

Conservatism has historically been associated with strengthening the country (Northern) or cultural preservationism (Southern). Neither were too concerned with government until it got up in their grill (I also have issues with assigning any ideological label to the latter group since their politics were so incoherent and inconsistent by necessity, but I will set that aside for right now). Trump appeals to both, but on the military and economy it is decidely of that northern, Hamiltonian approach. Strong military and Economy in the face of foreign competitors. And you see that on issues like trade, eminent domain and so forth. That is why it is not quite accurate to use the term Paleocon because a large number of them are anti-growth and anti-development coming from that more Southern heritage, whereas Trump gets aroused by big buildings and big factories.

With the rise of the sunbelt GOP and the success of people like Reagan, you had an embrace of free trade and immigration because the business interests of the sunbelt (like everywhere, were those first to support the party) preferred those policies.



Yeah, well, I don't disagree with anything that you said and you described several strains of ideology in America typically called "conservative" quite well.  If I had used the word "conservative" than what you said would be relevant.  I said "right-wing," which mostly has an economic connotation and can like you said can be libertarian or authoritarian.

Not really, because the biggest fish that the right wing umbrella brings in is fascism. Conservatism is more free market then some of the strains of right wingery.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump a libertarian? on: February 12, 2016, 11:40:09 pm
What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

Sure, but on things like the political matrix you definitely get left wing points because it is a decidedly anti-free market policy.

I took the quiz and answered the questions the way Donald Trump would. Here were my results:
Economic score: +0.26
Social score: +6.26

Isn't that what MasterJedi's score used to be?

We once had a fascist on here whose score was like 0.25 and 0.54. Horshoe theory, much?

Mine was +4, +3 and that was with supporting a minimum wage hike and heavy regulations on banks.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump a libertarian? on: February 12, 2016, 11:35:43 pm
What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

Sure, but on things like the political matrix you definitely get left wing points because it is a decidedly anti-free market policy.

Conservatism is not libertarianism. The whole notion of an embrace of smaller government by Conservatism is a Progressive Era reaction to the growth in gov't as people began to find it inconvenient, their you had a newborn conservative. Whether it is a taxed business or a guy whose farm got regulated by a gov't agency, or an oil well that got shut down for not meeting EPA standards.

Conservatism has historically been associated with strengthening the country (Northern) or cultural preservationism (Southern). Neither were too concerned with government until it got up in their grill (I also have issues with assigning any ideological label to the latter group since their politics were so incoherent and inconsistent by necessity, but I will set that aside for right now). Trump appeals to both, but on the military and economy it is decidely of that northern, Hamiltonian approach. Strong military and Economy in the face of foreign competitors. And you see that on issues like trade, eminent domain and so forth. That is why it is not quite accurate to use the term Paleocon because a large number of them are anti-growth and anti-development coming from that more Southern heritage, whereas Trump gets aroused by big buildings and big factories.

With the rise of the sunbelt GOP and the success of people like Reagan, you had an embrace of free trade and immigration because the business interests of the sunbelt (like everywhere, were those first to support the party) preferred those policies.

15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump a libertarian? on: February 12, 2016, 11:08:05 pm
What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does MITT regret not running? on: February 12, 2016, 10:57:59 pm
The irony is that Trump is a more successful version of Mitt Romney. More money, more energy and rather than conform and pander to the boxed and shipped bog standard Conservative like Romney did, Trump screwed the rules (and yes, he does have money). Trump was willing to kick his rich friends in the nuts, while Romney always operated from the mindset that he had to appeal to people with select things here or there that said friends didn't like.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Education Reform Act (Debating) on: February 12, 2016, 10:50:20 pm
How accruate have those projections been historically? I have heard stories like "The top 12 professions, half of them didn't exist fifteen years ago".


18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Act to Address Collapse of Republican Government in the Pacific [...] (Debating) on: February 12, 2016, 10:44:02 pm
If such were openly declared, perhaps. But what if the intructions were made in private and we have a situation where the President remains silent, the commissioner continues on and we end up in a situation like we had with bore last summer. I doubt their is enough Trump sized testicular matter in this chamber to threaten impeachment and actually mean it with such a situation.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Election Certification Clarity Act (Debating) on: February 12, 2016, 10:34:45 pm
2.2: I like it, but I am concerned it is an invitation for trolling with faux lawsuits delaying results.

I will not object though, as it is the best iteration of this bill so far.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Closing Election Loopholes Act of 2016 (FINAL VOTE) on: February 12, 2016, 10:30:50 pm
AYE
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Welcome to Portland!!!- Federalist Convention (48hrs - Endorsement Requests) on: February 12, 2016, 10:20:32 pm
As a result of our time crunch, it will be necessary to begin with the candidate endorsement process immediately.

Therefore, non-Federalists seeking the Federalist Party endorsement have 48 hours to request our endorsment for the office they are seeking.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Welcome to Portland!!!- February 2015 Federalist Convention (Delegates Sign in) on: February 11, 2016, 02:55:55 am
X Chairman North Carolina Yankee
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Welcome to Portland!!!- February Federalist Convention (Endorsement Requests) on: February 11, 2016, 02:55:00 am
The February 2015 Federalist Convention
The Federalists Rise Again!!!

Members, please sign in! In 24 hours, I will have to commence the endorsement nomination process. Members may continue to sign in once that has commenced.

Delegates:
Chairman North Carolina Yankee - At-Large Senator #3
Presidential Candidate Leinad - South Governor
Clark Kent - At-Large Senator #1
Enduro - Game Moderator
Pacific Senate Candidate Potus - Fmr. Senator/Governor
South Legislative Candidate Classic Conservative - Secretary of State
Fmr. Vice Chair Dereich - Midwest Regional Senator
South Regional Chair Pingvin - South Legislator
Haslam2020 - South Speaker

Schedule:
February 11th - Member Sign-in
February 12th-14th - Endorsement Nominations
February 14th-17th - Endorsement Votes
February 19th-21st - Election
February 19th-21st - Next Convention City Nominations
February 21st-24th - Next Convention City Vote

Instead of delaying it until after bylaw amendments that never come, I am going to do the city selection early instead of at the end of the convention. We can then proceed with any amendments to the platform or bylaws afterwards.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Irregular Emergency Federalist Party Meeting -72hrs City Vote on: February 10, 2016, 02:49:18 am
I need someone to calculate the votes for me.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: The Executive Branch (President, Vice President, etc.) Amendment Offered on: February 08, 2016, 02:31:30 am
I'm surprised everything passed. Glad to see it!
Yeah, I expected Qs 2, 5, and 7 to fail. This is certainly a pleasant surprise.

5 is already done, with exceptions for DOJ (and presumably its successors) and DoFE.
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