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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 17, 2015, 09:46:27 pm
I must say this election has really convinced me not to vote for any of you.  I mean usually I don't vote anyway, but I never thought I'd see the day when the candidates themselves make the strongest arguments why this is in reality a zero sum game.

In short, fuck you I'm out!

Congrats Atlasia, the smartest man just walked out of the room.

The bottomline is that this game's business model is built on voluntary participation and the more the better. When you have reached the point where anything goes, where any number of tactics are acceptable to win, you risk hurting the very foundation of the game. You can whine about softcocks all you want, but the other factor of pre-RPP Atlasia, other than that the right didn't exist for over a year, was that participation was rather low. You had single digits, in some case 1 vote in some contests (I think one of the Southern elections for Governor was like that).
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Satellite Network's Election Weekend: At-Large Senate, Northeast Assembly (*) on: April 17, 2015, 09:30:59 pm
If Polnut has 20 firsts, I would be pretty safe in calling that. Unless 150 people vote, no one votes for Polnut here after and all the other candidates are perefenced evenly. The chances of that are a billion to one.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 17, 2015, 04:37:47 am
I don't even think the sentiment is widespread PiT, but there are some who prefered knocking us out to combating LAbor and even handed the Presidency to the party that tumbled this nation into darkness. TPP could have easily won the Presidency for themselves had they taken a different course and kept their second Senate seat. They had popular potential candidates and a right that would have gladly supported a a deal to keep labor out.

I think even for a party defending its candidate, the rhetoric and attacks have been excessive getting far too personal and far too bitter, when it could have been issue focused. That says a lot as well.

4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 17, 2015, 01:36:11 am
That is what he told me and I believe some others as well. Sanchez just got caught up in the flurry of other shannigans going and people jumped to conclusions.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Budgeting Question on Healthcare on: April 17, 2015, 01:25:22 am
I would imagine some of it supports health infrastructure like hospitals in low trafficed areas.

Also, a region can create their own public option to compete against ANHC. It is one of the many options that are available under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Reforming Public Health ACt.

Is that public option the default? Because I doubt the regions actively created their own public options?

The issue here is that we have to imagine. I don't think anyone knows what exactly is happening with this. For example, the South spends over $100 billion on the "healthcare" section. God knows what that consists of. It can't all be medical infrastructure. I think we could seriously look at eliminating the entire regional healthcare system.

Or reappropriate the money to better uses within or outside or healthcare.

I am leary of eliminating a regional level of anything, healthcare or not. Tongue But yes, a lot of that wasted money should be used to take advantage of their increased range of options or put to uses in education, transportation the like.

Why not? If there's a well-functioning national alternative there's no reason to muck everything up with additional layers of bureaucracy and regulation.

Indeed but my preference is go in the opposite direction in terms of which layer to reduce though. Tongue Though I am satisfied ith the current healthcare law, I would prefer the range of options that the regions have to be explored and utilized to bring the benefits of competition back.

Yank, you wrote the federal healthcare law.

See the bold. I never said the law we passed was bad, in fact it moved in the direction I like, towards the regions and towards markets. Tongue

You got the wheels moving though and that is important. And no I did not write the whole thing, shua wrote significant portions including the subsidization formula and Lumine nad Duke participated in a revision session as well.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Budgeting Question on Healthcare on: April 17, 2015, 01:16:20 am
I would imagine some of it supports health infrastructure like hospitals in low trafficed areas.

Also, a region can create their own public option to compete against ANHC. It is one of the many options that are available under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Reforming Public Health ACt.

Is that public option the default? Because I doubt the regions actively created their own public options?

The issue here is that we have to imagine. I don't think anyone knows what exactly is happening with this. For example, the South spends over $100 billion on the "healthcare" section. God knows what that consists of. It can't all be medical infrastructure. I think we could seriously look at eliminating the entire regional healthcare system.

Or reappropriate the money to better uses within or outside or healthcare.

I am leary of eliminating a regional level of anything, healthcare or not. Tongue But yes, a lot of that wasted money should be used to take advantage of their increased range of options or put to uses in education, transportation the like.

Why not? If there's a well-functioning national alternative there's no reason to muck everything up with additional layers of bureaucracy and regulation.

Indeed but my preference is go in the opposite direction in terms of which layer to reduce though. Tongue Though I am satisfied ith the current healthcare law, I would prefer the range of options that the regions have to be explored and utilized to bring the benefits of competition back.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Budgeting Question on Healthcare on: April 17, 2015, 01:00:12 am
I would imagine some of it supports health infrastructure like hospitals in low trafficed areas.

Also, a region can create their own public option to compete against ANHC. It is one of the many options that are available under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Reforming Public Health ACt.

Is that public option the default? Because I doubt the regions actively created their own public options?

The issue here is that we have to imagine. I don't think anyone knows what exactly is happening with this. For example, the South spends over $100 billion on the "healthcare" section. God knows what that consists of. It can't all be medical infrastructure. I think we could seriously look at eliminating the entire regional healthcare system.

Or reappropriate the money to better uses within or outside or healthcare.

I am leary of eliminating a regional level of anything, healthcare or not. Tongue But yes, a lot of that wasted money should be used to take advantage of their increased range of options or put to uses in education, transportation the like.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Budgeting Question on Healthcare on: April 17, 2015, 12:46:54 am
I would imagine some of it supports health infrastructure like hospitals in low trafficed areas.

Also, a region can create their own public option to compete against ANHC. It is one of the many options that are available under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Reforming Public Health ACt.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NC Yankee for At-Large Senate HQ (Get Out and Vote!!!) on: April 17, 2015, 12:16:28 am
I had wanted to make two speeches tonight before the polls open one on the police issue that has come up recently and the other a more specific speech pushing a reconsideration of the Duke plan's bicameralism component.

However, I didn't expect to walk into a sh**t storm. I will still post the police one since it is about finsihed and it would be a waste to not post it, and maybe the second one if I have time tonight obviously.

I will say one more thing though and that is we have got to strive for a better ATlasia and I am not just talking about policies, I am talking fundamentally how we conduct ourselves in the game. I am not a saint, I understand that though, but at the very least I don't think I have ever sought to demean or tear down anyone. I certainly don't think I have driven anyone to deregister from the game. I know some don't like my sarcastic style and I understand that, it has long been a source of problems as long as I have been here, but I generall strive to strike the righr balance between fun and respect and I hope that most will see that such is my objective in all this. One of the things I planned to talk about ironically, in the police speech was the tone. I think we all want a police and I think we all want to oppose police brutality. Or at least most do on both questions.

I am running for the Senate largely for reasons. I want to provide a voice for Conservatives in this game, I want to push some issues that I think have been overlooked and/or have come up recently and deserve attention and finally, I want to show that we can work in a collaborative fashion even when we disagree on everything, to at the very least ensure that the game itself is better off, and not worse off. There is no way people will join a game if they are going to be trated like crap. Last year, I made it a point to ensure that thE Federalist went on the recording as welcoming to new and old players. In order to do that we need to create an environment that people want to join.

In closing, I would like to encourage everyone to get out to the polls and encourage them to consider casting a vote or a high preference for me to be one of your At-LArge Senators. If you still have questions before you vote, feel free to ask away.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Senator HagridOfTheDeep—Flo for Governor! on: April 16, 2015, 11:15:03 pm
Thank you so much, Senator. Your support is deeply appreciated Smiley

No problem. Best of luck!

And Yankee, your concerns are noted. But part of the reason why I ran against you was because it was becoming clear to almost everyone that you needed a break. I mean, no one’s saying it, but it’s the truth. You just went off on me for four paragraphs because I suggested you were propping up Deadprez. The thing is… so what? It’s politics. You gotta let them roll off your back. I realize it’s not my job to tell someone when to take a break, but if you’re elected again I hope for your own sake you’ll be a little less… intense. Everything’s okay!

Anyway, good luck to you as well.

No Hagrid, I come from a place where if you talk sh**t about someone, you better have the balls to back it up. This is just a game, I don't participate in this game because of whatever crazy notion that is been spread around the irc. I play this game because I enjoy it and for the longest time it was the only game I could play because of video card problems. I have a job, I pay 75% of all the bills in the household. We moved, we have stability. Why should I stop doing a source of enjoyment? Why should I take a break now when all I wanted to do was get back on here when I couldn't for those hellish months. I beat back poverty, I surived everything that has been thrown at me and I stay here because I want to and because I enjoy it and turning it tino al iving hell is not going to change that.

That said, as much as this is a game, some things have to be taken seriously. The way you treat others for example. I don't condone bullying and I often find myself friends with the Teddy's, with the Poirots, with the people others love to sh**t on and that is because 1) I hate going with the crowd and 2) my sense of right and wrong kicks in. I don't care what the medium is, there are certain things don't do. You don't cheat at chards, you don't throw the chess board when you are losing, why the hell should you bully, accuse someone of being corrupt when they are not and you no evidence to back it up or call them a liar or any other number of crappy things I have seen done in this game.

Maybe I am nuts for naively thinking things can be different here, but I still view it possible to have a game that is better than this, clearner than this nad a whole lot less mean than this. You can play the game, you can have fut you ought to be able to respect the people you are playing with. The ones who are playing this game too intently, are the ones who feel the need to treat someone else like dirt to win, Hagrid. Your Hamiltons, your Nappys, your Wolftentoards and now it seems several people in both Labor and TPP desire to follow in therif foot steps. "It's bulsh**t and its bad for you" as George Carlin once said. If that is the new defination of crazy, well then you better bring out the straight jacket then.

And thanks. Smiley
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Poirot for At-Large Senate on: April 16, 2015, 10:29:32 pm
Poirot left Belgium for England during the first world war (he later moved to Atlasia).

Mr. Poirot, do you expect to live through your term if elected, seeing as you are over 100 years old?

I believe Yankee has reached or is surpassing Strom Thurmond levels as well.


bgwah has held office almsot continously since 2006. Pacific Governor 2006 - Oct 2008,  Preisdent Oct 2008- June 2009, Attorney General June 2009- Feb 2010. Senator Feb 2010-Feb 2012 and Supreme Court Justice 2012-2013, Chief Justice 2013- The only break was in early 2012.

The only difference besides him being here since 2004 (I came in Dec 2008) and having held office since 2006 (compared to 2009 for me), is he had much more variety in his record.

And Oakvale has been here about as long as I have minus I think ten months. Polnut, Bacon King, Lief, Duke, PiT, Al, Xahar, Fritz, Griffin, Earl and many others were all here before I was.

So lay off the selective age standard, Young Turks. Tongue We get it, you don't like anyone over 35. Never pegged you for much of a hippy but whatever.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: April 16, 2015, 10:15:51 pm
Not again MAxwell. Sad Damn!


This is why we cannot have anything nice in this game. Somebody always has to be a dick to somebody and they end up leaving.

Why can't everybody just respectfully disagree and this game be a whole lot better?

This all started with some tough questions on a policy matter. Suddently Deadprez is a puppet, I am a psychotic puppet master, and now someone has driven Maxwell to jump off a bridge.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 16, 2015, 10:13:07 pm
Sanchez wanted to return for months and the date just expired on his restriction a few days ago. Dude was registered in FL from mid 2011 until October of last year and he lives there in real life. I contacted him about two weeks ago and asked if he ever planned to move back to the South and he said he had wanted ot for months but coundn't (move restriction). I didn't even have a clue when the restriction would come off and for all I knew it was months from now when I first contacted him. I then found out and told him, and he can verify this. I will gladly agree to post my PMs to him. There was also no mention of party changing either.

I have always found strategic registration unsavory going back to Tmth's days in 2009 and either not mentioned a region it or selling the benefits of the region in which they live in real life and the opportunities there. Most people go where they live naturally.

The only people who have joined this region that I contacted prior to actually live here. I think the record speaks for itself.

I have a clear conscience about what I have done in this game. The only thing I feel guilty about is not having been able to help people at times when they could have made a difference, last fall being the most recent, and of course recruiting Hamilton (he had like 16 posts at the time, shoot me. Tongue)

Since the question has come up in the debate, I would say the South needs a limit in advance of the elections be it a week like most others, five days, whatever.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Senator HagridOfTheDeep—Report on Vote History Published! on: April 16, 2015, 09:36:56 pm
The Federalist establishment thinks they need this one—or perhaps even deserve it. But to you, I posit this: We have a governor who is doing all the right things; why validate the game of shadow puppets that Yankee’s playing by supporting his chosen candidate? I would like to see the Federalist Party re-surge the right way, with strong contenders and honest victories. Unfortunately, right now I see a candidate being fed lines and a sad smear campaign.


Yes, I recruited Deadprez both times, but look what happened the first time genius:

IDS SENATE

NCYANKEE 11 (Hagrid, Pingvin, Clarence, Scott, AndrewCT, Dereich, Supersonic, Oak Hills, PiT, Duke, NCYankee)

MAXWELL 7 (Maxwell, Small L, badgate, SjoyceFla, Sanchez, DeadPrez, Indy Texas)

EXHAUSTED 1 (Jbrase)

INVALID 1 (daveosupremo)




OMG, fact from 5,000 BC only a nut would use facts. Roll Eyes

HE voted against me for reelection. I asked if he would be interested in running, he said yes end of story. I recommended he pursue some issues, some he has, some he hasn't. I twice made a recommendation on how to respond to the debate, one he took, the other he did not. Deaprez is a lot of things, but he is definately not a puppet. I am the Federalist Party Chairman, I am going to help my guys out especailly if they are new, but I am not feeding him lines or some kind of bullsh**t that you are saying. Maybe that is how you did things but I certainly don't.

You should know me far better than to think I condone that and I am insulted that you would think otherwise, Hagrid. Nothing about this has been corrupt, there has been no attempt to smear flo as a person, and valid or invalid all the complaints from Deadprez, from Federalists were on issues or actions taken/not taken. The same cannot be said of the dirty smears launched at Deaprez and myself, the latest of which is from you attacking my character. We wanted a fun race, and Deadprez may not have the polish or experience of you or me, but he would provide some healthy competition. There was no reason why Flo couldn't have answer or rejected questions he deemed unfair and stayed on the issues about his record and certainly no call to drag out surrogates to impune our characters. Flo's record hasn't been bad, there was no need ot go that route, just defend what you did.

At least Deadprez campaigned against flo. I let a lot of sh**t slide in Februrary because frankly I didn't want to beleive that they happened and I still hoped we could come out of this friends. You talk about honest victories you didn't even state in public what you were going to do if elected save for a very vague blurb in your announcement. I do know you PMed people what you were going to do, but I never recieved a copy, and neither did most Southerners I would imagine. You don't find this the least bit problematic, even if it was all perfectly legit, to have campaigning done 100% in secret?
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 16, 2015, 08:31:04 pm
What has happened to my thread? Sad

It wasn't me. No one wants to hear from me anymore.

Thats a lie, I want to hear from you. Tongue
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 16, 2015, 02:45:27 am
Well, this certainly looks active. I'll add this to my required reading for later!

It's a couple pages of Yankee nitpicking on Flo's record to make his own (failed) party's joke candidate seem better by comparison, this is all under the guise of "commentary" and "getting all sides of the issue." Of course Yankee condescendingly makes the usual tired and repeated references to past events as he thinks that being around longer makes him automatically correct.

Really, if I were you, I wouldn't bother with it.

The hilarious part is that you are responding to a guy who was playing game almost four years before I was.

Of course Yankee condescendingly makes the usual tired and repeated references to past events as he thinks that being around longer makes him automatically correct.

What did I ever do to you Turk? I like don't even know you hardly, but yet you have this image of me as this out of touch nut case wrapped up in the past and oblivious to the present.

I am a historian by hobby and when I see historical innaccuracies, I feel compelled to act, especially when yes, I do know what the situation is regarding that matter. I do not know everything though and there many polices areas that I am not an expert on. Where I can, I like to help. Lumine didn't create a thread for commentary and I felt if the debate was to continue on this topic of healtcare, the innaccuracies should be corrected so that people of the South can be best informed about the issues and positions. I never said other viewpoints were excluded, and if you wanted to you could have easily posted your own critiques and questions regarding Deadprez. However, you first post was a wholesale attack on the thread, and lies about my intentions with creating it.

If I were to take the same approach with you as you do me, I would say you are a historical revisionist who views facts as items of expedience. But I don't trade in personal slander Turk, it ruins the game. If you want to hate me for no good/valid reason that is fine, but I would hope you don't take this approach with many others for it will quickly make the game rather unpleasant for a lot of people, you most of all. So a little advise courtesy of my knowledge of past (Tongue) posters just like you, ease the frig up a little, man.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Well, they finally shut us down. on: April 16, 2015, 02:20:49 am
UPDATE™ (2009-2015)

Carrying something on for six years on a internet forum Huh But that, that, THATS CRAZY!!!!!

You do seem rather unstable.

Man, I was hoping for someone who would appreciate the sarcasm and respond in kind. Such killjoy Turk. Tongue
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Well, they finally shut us down. on: April 16, 2015, 01:34:47 am
UPDATE™ (2009-2015)

Carrying something on for six years on a internet forum Huh But that, that, THATS CRAZY!!!!!
19  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Moderator Announcement on The Update on: April 16, 2015, 01:28:24 am
I don't think I ever read a single page of any of this update thing. Hearing it discussed though I found it to be a disturbing display of public exhibitionism of the like you would find on Facebook and I disdain facebook.

It is find to discuss certain aspects of your life, but revealing every detail for public consumption goes to far, especially when you have no plans to actually listen to what people say. And as for the people who got sucked in by this, I must say that the internet and life in general is full of people that have to learn the hard the way, getting worked up over it isn't going to change that fact.

Congrats, updaters, you were your own worst enemy and whem you "went" to town, you slit your own throats. Tongue
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: AZ-Sen: Salmon, Schweikert considering on: April 16, 2015, 01:11:05 am
Arizona needs its own version of Rand Paul.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harry Reid now gives zero f[inks], starts talking mad smack about everybody on: April 16, 2015, 01:09:45 am
Freedom's just another word...
22  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: pedophobe on: April 16, 2015, 01:05:24 am
I am hopeful that at some point, all mods in such an emergency (and it should be used only in an emergency) will be able to delete posts anywhere (as opposed to just their own boards), so if the mods of a particular board are absent, someone else can at least get the offending posts out of the public domain.

We've asked for something like that a couple of times before, and Dave ignored us, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Also, regarding the identity of pedophobe, in one of the polls he created, he made reference to Nym as a mod, and Nym's status as Modadmin isn't listed anywhere (except on his own profile page, but how would a newbie know to look there?).  He isn't listed as a mod of any particular board.  It's not a big secret, but it's also not something that an outsider newbie from another forum would know unless they had some familiarity with this place.

We also had another account with the exact same username register back in 2013, who did something similar, so my assumption that this was one of Atlas's longtime antagonists, like Atheist2006, rather than someone with a newfound grudge against the forum.


Or someone possibly copycatting the 2013 incident who knew of it as opposed to a second coming of the same individual?
23  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: More Spam Stuff on: April 16, 2015, 12:58:12 am
He's muted. I got hit too.


The spammers come to you now.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: South: 21st Amendment on: April 15, 2015, 11:37:15 pm
Why couldn't I get this to happen when I was still in the Senate. Tongue


Anyway, good job legislators and you especially Duke. Smiley
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Governor Flo - Re-election! on: April 15, 2015, 11:32:14 pm
Remember Progressive Flo? All the commercial references. I threw one in that thread, but it got lost I hope at least someone appreciated it. Tongue

Speaking as a conservative, I see no reason to support DeadPrez over Flo. Ask Flo, he'll agree with conservatives that we need to take action to stop the spread of communism in Atlasia. That's what Labor is. It is quickly becoming a communist party.

He'll take the oath of office and leave after a few months without much happening in between those two milestones.

Why anyone would vote to not re-elect Flo is beyond me.

You mean just like in November with BK and Cris...oh wait.... Tongue

He'll take the oath of office and leave after a few months without much happening in between those two milestones.

Because I am crazy and an old man, my memory is failing me but didn't this happen recently?

It isn't an accurate statement to say that Cris is a conservative. I would honestly disagree with the notion that he's much to the right of Flo, if he's to the right at all.

I wasn't talking about ideology alone when I mentioned November, but the post as a whole. Tongue
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