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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Would you accept increasing the size of Senate if it meant electoral reform? on: May 23, 2015, 02:45:39 am
The only thing that has majority support right now is the status quo versus every possible reform option most likely because he one contains something that some groups do not like. Therefore the status quo becomes the default, preferred and safe option. Unless one is prepared to attempt to move and shape public opinion on any proposal, than no proposal is going to succeed, Earl.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: South: Act Fixing Clerical Errors and Returning Taxpayer Dollars on: May 23, 2015, 02:41:25 am
Sorry for being late on this, but there is a problem and I tried to point it out weeks out in the thread on the main board.

Fritzcare did not supplant all "regional healthcare funding". It supplanted all subsidization as far as access as is concern. It did not nationalize hospital for instance and therefore there are probably a number of hospitals that operate with assistance from the region that this bill would thus repeal.

That doesn't even get into all the mental health facilities that would likely be abolished by the passage of this act. Fritzcare and its successor bills did quite a lot, but they didn't nationalize every aspect of healthcare and to presume that they did will leave a number of patients depending on these services and such litterally out in the cold. Think of it like this, Fritzcare, nationalized the demand side, not the supply side and not all of that supply is going to be private. If nothing else, there are hospitals that exist as part of unniversities that receive funding or support in some form or another that would be thus cut off in their entirety with the broad language in this present bill.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Criminal Justice (Reform) Act on: May 23, 2015, 02:26:02 am
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11. Breach of the Peace. This offence shall be defined as the wilful undertaking of activities that though not treasonous nevertheless undermine the stability and security of the Republic of Atlasia by breaching the Peace as established by the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia.

How is this not an open invitation for abuse?

What is this "peace established in the constitution"? Absent treason, there is no other standards laid out thaT I can see. It is horribly vague and could be abused to silence political opponents ala Alien and Sedition/Espionage Acts.

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13. Improper Behaviour on the Wiki. This offence shall be defined as the knowing violation or flagrant disregard of Senate-imposed Atlasia Wiki guidelines and standards.

Why do we need this standard below melicious editing? And why does it require a two year ban from the game as a reasonable punishment?

And speaking of punishments, as Talleyrand said, what is the purpose behind such excessive punishments? At that level, your are talking complete seperation from the game. Practically a death sentence, for after five years the chances of return are slim to none, and even two years the chances are less likely.

The treason section re-states existing law in a more coherent manner. Due to the technical nature of this enterprise I have tended to avoid serious innovation unless a glaring omission exists. But neither the current law nor this would criminalises the expression of any opinion: the Court tends to rule conservatively, and when the criteria for 'aiding a rebellion' is restricted to the intentional direction of funds, military aid or strategic advice, we can be fairly sure that an expression of support would not be included. My opinion (and certainly intent!) would be that it wouldn't even ban membership of a political party in favour of a rebellion.

The Court tends to rule conservatively now, but there is no such guarrantee of such down the road.  "Fairly sure" and "my opinion" also seem rather weak for a basis to presume how a future court's response might differ from the Court's prior history.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Criminal Justice (Reform) Act on: May 23, 2015, 02:14:05 am
I have to admit, I do not understand much of legal language, less even when such is in English, but all this looks quite good and fine for me, and I intend to support this reform.

Not to criticize you or anything, but I would tend to view this approach as somewhat distrurbing. Someone plunks down a new rule book in front of you, and your default position is Aye until convinced otherwise? Tongue

I can assure you my vote starts off as nay until every concern is addressed. Wink
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Reintroducing the Cabinet Reform Amendment (Final vote) on: May 23, 2015, 02:01:43 am
I Never Thought I'd Live
To read about this scene
In my hometown paper

Everybody Acts the same
Dear Collegues can you see,
I'll Give You Thoughts
You Cannot Understand

IIIIII am the only nay vote
IIIIII am the only nay vote


Tongue

I came here to break the conformity of thought and that is what I am going to do. Wink
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Capital Punishment Restoration Act (Voting on motion to table) on: May 23, 2015, 01:53:28 am
Well, I guess I should say a few words.

First, my apologies for forgetting about the constitutional issue. From technical point of view, you guys are absolutely right.

Second, in a light of terrorism and rebelion surge, I thought we can actually debate this thing (I'm not necessarily supporting), so I regret there would be no discussion whatsoever, just "omg, table this".

I am surprised this was not an ironic push of sorts on your part. Tongue

Anyway, I do agree. It was just far to easy to trash this bill. It is little wonder why the approval ratings for this chamber plummetted for March (though the poll was conudcted mid April).
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why does the GOP get fooled each time by the "Fools Gold" known as Pennsylvania? on: May 23, 2015, 01:39:24 am
I have been saying for a while- PA is going for the GOP in 2016, but VA will go blue (regular, not Atlas)

Yeah, I don't see that happening. I don't see how the GOP is going to do well enough in the eastern portion of the state where they absolutely have to do atleast decent.

Toomey coattails.

Just like Specter's coattails won it in 2004, right?

Specter was not the type to win votes for a candidate other than himself.

8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Would you accept increasing the size of Senate if it meant electoral reform? on: May 23, 2015, 01:10:27 am
No. I support a simple and straightforward bicameral plan that Yankee tweaked from my own.

Bicameralism is not supported by the majority of Atlasians. Time to move on.

No plan is going to have majority support at this juncture.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Deeply Disturbing on: May 23, 2015, 01:07:11 am
This notion that the only reason Wolftentoad was bad was because of the outrageous slander campaign about rape fails to acknowledge the central point. The whole purpose in doing so, was to make new members stear away from one centrist party in favor of another by tarring its founder.

However it is like Watergate and Nixon. Just because it is what he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar on, doesn't mean it was his only transgression but rather a long serious of actions one would find disturbing, the root of which, was an intense desire to compete and win at all costs.

Strategic registration will always be considered a dirty word amongst most of the 2008-2010 generation because of Hamilton. It occured, but it was always something that was supressed to a large extent because god forbid if it ever got revealed, it would spell doom and that meant that it happened less often and was far less successfull. Post cottonfield, the stigmatization has been lifted and now there is virtually no price to be paid for doing it and therefore it is running rampant. IT is just part of the new Atlasia I guess.
10  Questions and Answers / Presidential Election Process / Re: 269-269 EC with 50-50 Senate on: May 20, 2015, 04:00:25 am
As of right now:

Presidential:
GOP (34): AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO, FL, GA, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MI, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NC, ND, OH, OK, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WV, WI, and WY

DEM  (14): CA, CT, DE, HI, ILL, MD, MA, MN, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, and WA

Blank (2): NH and NJ

And of Course VP:

GOP (54)
Dem (46)

Natually, this will change, but it just illustrates how badly the Dems got hammered in the House in 2010 and 2014.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was Jeb Bush dropped on the head as a child? on: May 20, 2015, 03:40:53 am
One of the biggest blows to Romney in that second debate came on the question, "how are you different from Bush?"

Romney bumbled his way through about different man for different times and didn't even mention the deficits, as any conservative should. The honest answer should have been to emphasize the competence factor many Republicans, including myself, found Romney to be likely comparatively better than Bush and were thus drawn to him. The Katrina response, corruption scandals, Iraqi reconstruction, the deficits, growth of gov't, mortgage meltdown, and so on.

Instead Romney missed his opportunity and then Obama came around and answered it for him by highlighting all the ways he was worse then Bush.

Jeb cannot beat Hillary or any other Democrat for that matter.

12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why do Republicans worship the owl? on: May 20, 2015, 03:32:21 am
Owls are cool bro. It'd be a better party animal than elephants or donkeys.

I think the Modern Whigs have the owl as their party symbol.


Presidents Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt were the Modern day Whigs.

1916 was the year that the party split came about, as WWI and neutralization stemmed the Whig movt; and the Income Tax Increase created the Torie party; which gave rise to Tea Party movement. Which name wasnt official given until 2010.

But Hughes; who still symbolized the owl, was far different than Harding and Hoover; opposition to tax increases which lead to Great Depression.

As useless as I know it is to engage you and all your insanity, he's referring to the Modern Whigs, a current political party that does nothing.

Yeah and they idealize President Teddy Roosevelt. I know that.

The Whigs opposed the imperial Presidency, were anti-war, wanted a one term limit, were monopolists to some extent, and opposed hard money. Yea, that really sounds like TR. The boundless ego, the drive for power, the overseas expansion and interventionism, seeking a second and then a third term, broke up monpolies and supported the Gold standard in contrast do not a good Whig make.

That said, he probably shared the view on internal improvements, certainly the hostility to immigrants and so forth forth. As for trade, I recall his position was regarded as uncertain and he flip at least once on it in his life time and that may have been for expedience.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Christie: 'You Can't Enjoy Your Civil Liberties If You're In A Coffin' on: May 20, 2015, 03:10:31 am
Christie pretending he has the slightest clue what the Founding Fathers would want - what a joke! He'd be a better fit as King George III's royal advisor than in any position in the early American government. Take your 9/11 hysteria and cradle-to-grave security dystopia elsewhere.

Alien and Sedition Acts - John Adams
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Christie: 'You Can't Enjoy Your Civil Liberties If You're In A Coffin' on: May 20, 2015, 03:06:39 am
"But you know, you canít enjoy your civil liberties if youíre in a coffin.Ē

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PdiCJUysIT0#t=32


Hours after delivering a hawkish foreign policy speech,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PdiCJUysIT0#t=42
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Marco Rubio's baggage is coming crashing out of the closet on: May 20, 2015, 02:52:44 am
Is the 2016 Republican primary field the most corrupt assortment of candidates for a major party's nomination in United States history? It's hard to say which of this embarrassing and depraved gaggle of crooks is the most crooked. 

Change you color to Dem. If youre an example of a NY GOPer no wonder why the party cant break 33%.

The party cannot break 33% because the upstate has lost population big time, and both the upstate and NY surbubs quit voting 60% Republican in statewide races.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Do you support Atlasia adopting a bicameral legislature? on: May 20, 2015, 02:41:29 am
Yes, I misspoke and edited my statements after you began replying. The natural forum population and the organic tendency of who joins and from where is the problem.

Nevertheless, a way to at least partially solve this issue/take it into account perhaps is to ensure that each region has as many states as possible with larger populations. I think this might be a key to it, although I can see why some might argue that it has no bearing - perhaps some underlying sociology mechanism at work here? Look at the South, the Mideast and the Northeast: all of them have multiple states with sizable real-life populations. The Midwest and the Pacific have one or zero states with sizable populations.

The Pacific does have the largest state and two medium sized states, plus three fast growing smaller states also.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Affirmative Consent in Post-Secondary Education Act of 2015 (Final vote) on: May 20, 2015, 02:37:36 am
AYE
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Reintroducing the Cabinet Reform Amendment (Final vote) on: May 20, 2015, 02:22:42 am
When I was elected, I ran on a promise that I make the opposing case on stuff that was overwhelmingly supported. That has been the case here and it wasn't just devil's advocacy in this case.

I made the case against executive control over the creation of executive departments and the downside risk it could pose to the execution of our countries laws. A president who doesn't like a law could abolish the respective department and make it so that it cannot be enforced. I am glad that the Senate supported my amendments to exempt the Department of Justice from this as that was probably the most glaring concern. I also like how this version treats the Game Moderator as opposed to earlier versions of this, which surbordinated it to the President as well.

In spite of the improvements, the problem is still an issue for me and executive overreach is something that has interested me a lot lately, but has always been fundamental concern when it pertains to my view of politics and conservative philosophy. It was one of the things I found distasteful about the Bush years, it is present throughout history ranging from good people with decent intentions to downright malevolent leaders seeking to empower themselves and it is something that should concern all, particularly with the recent incidents in game regarding Presidents who turned out not to be (them baby, but just a brilliant disguise oh ah oh ah).

As concerned as I am about seperation of powers in general, but especially when it comes to the power of the executive branch, I therefore cannot vote to cede to the President the legislative branch's power to create and abolish executive departments.

NAY
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate resolution: Improve the Senate Rules on: May 20, 2015, 02:11:08 am
Whati s the story being the removal of the "ie Vice President" line. This was mentioned on the previous page but with no further discussion that I saw on the matter. Is there a reason for it and if so, what is the expected benefit? What is the downside risk to confusion and such forth?
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Alleviating Rural Poverty Act of 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 02:09:01 am
I agree with the President, we're not calling for buses from sparsely located frontier towns in Texas to drive up to Montana. We're simply trying to support rural bus services, which helps the most vulnerable in our society, helps drive down CO2 emissions and helps economic investment

I never said anything about driving from Texas to Montana. I meant driving from one county to another in Texas or even within some counties themselves. There are counties in Texas with just a few hundred people, or maybe thousand.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Alleviating Rural Poverty Act of 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 02:06:52 am
So we'll be making this already-impractical program even more cost inefficient? Undecided

Yes that's my exact plan. I'm proposing environmental legislation just to make this bill even worse

The President said that this is a seed program of sorts. He used the word "kickstart". The inclusion of such a provision would increased the cost of the equipment meaning that the already fraction percentage of rural areas being served, would thus be even worse.


That said, I do support the rest of the amendment though unless the grant structure has issues that I am not thinking of right now.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Cooperatives Administration Act of 2015 (Final vote) on: May 20, 2015, 02:02:40 am
NAY

I generally am sympathetic to co-ops competing in the market place, and even recieving some assistance where natural forces would ensure a monopoly by one private or public company. However, this bill still has a TBD in it, there was no answer given about the previous legislation such as that I linked to and of course there is still the SBA reference, which is also present in the 2014 bill I linked also.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Capital Punishment Restoration Act (Voting on motion to table) on: May 20, 2015, 01:59:25 am
NAY


This can be amended into a constitutional amendment you know. Perhaps that was lost amongst the screams of unsconstitutional.

Though I do get the sense that long time death penalty opponent, Kal The Crazy Pole introduced this for the lulz, that doesn't mean the Senate is necessarily obligated to leave such intent in place. Ie, we can amend crazy into a serious proposal.

When the abolition of the dealth penalty was passed it was passed by one vote and had Clarenced not resigned when he did (reduced the size of the Senate), it would have failed. Even before that it was illegal in all cases Federally and in every region except the South at the time. So even if the constitutional ban were removed, it wouldn't change much and the South would probably ban it now at the regional. I would prefer it to be their choice frankly hence my vote against tabling.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April Cabinet Approval Ratings on: May 20, 2015, 01:51:11 am
This poll is for all registered voters and will last for five days.

Yes, yes, I am about three weeks late running this poll, again. Tongue
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April Regional Executive Approval Ratings on: May 20, 2015, 01:47:59 am
This poll is for five days and for all registered voters.

Yes, yes, I am about three weeks late running this poll, again. Tongue
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