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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: Today at 05:41:04 am
Yes - amazingly! - there was a consensus across party lines even then that something needed to happen, because portions of the game were dead and overdue for a re-haul. So we acted, and we acted bigly, and inevitably, it did pay off.

OK, now let's talk about how you enabled Hagrid and others' selfish hostage-taking of the game reform package for 3 years - despite supposedly supporting it - until the game nearly dissolved before coming off of your perch, and then we'll talk about who's the bigger terrorist.

Not the event that I was referring to. But you conflate the two, because to justify the former you claim it was necessary to produce the latter. But what was suppose to shock people or "force" people into accepting that regions had failed, turned out to be a rallying cry for the right, led to greater factionalism on the left and center around the issue and collateral issues such as the court, which further that even more.

Hardly the appropriate political climate to achieve a massive reform effort, as most would agree. But then again they don't need to defend such a controversial event by shielding it behind the reform effort. Tongue


I never said I "supported it" in 2013. My point, which you somehow misinterpreted or misunderstood or forgot the details of, was that the way reform was pushed in 2013, was that of a hostile, militantly anti-regionalist and thereby anti-right movement that naturally sparked partisan resistance. The CARCA map also eliminated the most conservative region in the game at the time.

I said then, that reform could not succeed along partisan lines and I was right. Consolidation only passed, with broad support, and the endorsement of the right and pro-regionalist supporters as the product of a compromise. Also, the political map had changed and the CARCA map by that point would produce a balanced map politically.

The Fourth Constitution was born of the "type" of reform and collaborative mindset championed by Maroduke, not that of schemes plotted on the IRC To "force" people to accept a faux reality of a fringe minority group that had been on the outside of politics for 5 years at that point. The atmosphere of 2015 was that of broad consensus. The atmosphere of 2013, ironically was that of a fringe group taking the game "hostage" to demand their reform and only their reform be adopted, and blocking all other attempts at reform from the other side (regionalizing Senate elections for instance), with no attempt at broad based compromise, like that which Truman, Leinad and others worked out in late 2015 and early 2016. There is a stark contrast, but one you can never accept because it sounds far too much like "Softcockery" to use your words.

2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: Today at 04:51:13 am
do you guys have to argue about pre-reset stuff in every thread

When Adam gets nostalgic he tends to suffer from memory loss.

3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: Today at 04:11:05 am
Labor can maybe return to the thing that made it great: a tight-knit group of friends and fellowship that always had each others' back and didn't worry about their "friendships" on the other side of the aisle when casting a ballot.

Unless of course the plotting of said tight nit group with a group of radicals third partiers potentially threatened to blow up the game right as an incumbent Laborite was leaving office as the first Labor President. You had his back all right, you grab him by the back and tossed him under the bus.

It's really sad that you keep harping about one little thing from 4 years ago that - in this case - had absolutely no impact on what's being discussed here. It also wasn't nearly as dramatic or earth-ending as you're painting it to be, nor did it actually ever harm the reputation or image of our esteemed President in the eyes of anybody (except apparently you, since you always cite it).

Roll Eyes

You seem to ignore inconvenient truths for the sake of the narrative. But by all means, lets not let facts get in the way now.

It was still a collaboration with a bunch of non-Laborites (including even a Fed or two), contrary to the interests of someone who had to that point always been a Laborite (since that became a thing), which is kind of the crux of what you complain about. But you always seem to ignore that incident when raving about third parties, defections, disloyalty or whatnot.

4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: Today at 03:36:46 am
Yankee as you well know I voted to impeach members of my own party (if you're referring to summer '15) and as you remember I was speaker during the entire debacle, and I even came back during the end of Bore's presidency to help him as Interior Secretary,

I locked the thread because I'd spoken to AZ last night; I'd sent him the relevant information and spoken to other Laborites in the leadership. I didn't think that it would be best for me to frankly to post a sh**t ton of information (going back about 4 months) and then go to sleep, to have to spend 2 hours in the morning trying to defend it.

It's a matter that I want to keep in Labor; because I know for a fact that the moment I post it, a thread like this will be made, I'll get called a bully etc. If the former Senator is so worried about public accountability I'll happily post some of the information that I've received publicly, and I'll let Labors dirty laundry stretch all over Atlasia.

Why are you addressing this to me? I didn't say anything about 2015 here. Tongue
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: Today at 03:20:45 am
Labor can maybe return to the thing that made it great: a tight-knit group of friends and fellowship that always had each others' back and didn't worry about their "friendships" on the other side of the aisle when casting a ballot.

Unless of course the plotting of said tight nit group with a group of radicals third partiers potentially threatened to blow up the game right as an incumbent Laborite was leaving office as the first Labor President. You had his back all right, you grab him by the back and tossed him under the bus.
6  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Lawsuit filed over Georgia mid-decade redistricting in 2015 on: Today at 01:20:12 am
These people came up, or in some cases were part of, a political culture in which this was perfectly acceptable and often done in many Southern states as part of the ancestral Democratic control.

It is no surprise that the Republicans now engage in it so much and so often.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act (Debating) on: April 24, 2017, 11:47:38 pm
So Yankee, are you confident that bringing back the Glass-Steagall Act will prevent or alleviate a financial crisis?

Alone, no.


As part of a larger sea change, yes.

The damage of the crisis was the crippling effect it had on credit markets because institutions were so large and had taken such risks, forcing the need for a bailout or all lending would cease. This bailout then created the perverse incentive to encourage future risk taking because now they think tax payers will bail them out again. We have seen subsequent scandals and it only takes a small glance to see that the situation and culture has not changed much at all. Therefore it is only a matter of time and I don't think Dodd-Frank is going to be enough. For one I have always been suspicious of Dodd-Frank in a Bernie Sanders kind of way. Both were greased by Wall Street, one of them had a below market loan from Countrywide Financial, and both filibustered/opposed reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pushed by McCain and ironically the Bush administration for 5 years, only to turn around in 2008 and hypocritically demand to know why the aforementioned administration had no plan to deal with Fannie and Freddie. Needless to say, I don't trust the work of the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party to save us. The sheer complexity of the package has done more to enshrine too big too fail and too little has been done to break up or shrink these institutions and the consolidation of assets into fewer and fewer firms is by far the biggest risk factor you have and the one that should have been prioritized, and the alone that should scare the hell of anybody.

Restoring this as a first step will enable us to start breaking the big too big to fail firms apart into smaller entities that will be more manageable and therefore enable the markets to hold people accountable for bad financial decisions, without it tanking the rest of the economy or financial sector.

As I said before there are other steps that will need to be taken to further prevent this. I think some of the biggest risk factors for collapse came from the lack of accurate financial ratings, poorly set leveraging requirements and the floodgates of new financial products in the ten years leading up to that event, following the massive deregulation that occurred in the late 1990's. These will have to be done in a separate, subsequent bill. One that I am presently gearing up for in the next congress.

The roll of Glass-Steagall is too fold, by separating bank lending and investment banking, you not only shrink the size of firms by definition, you also remove a perverse incentive. Bank lending is FDIC insured, or at least the deposits are, which creates a false sense of security and culture within these amalgamated institutions that bailouts are institutionalized because the strain on the FDIC of such a firm going insolvent would lead either Congress or the Fed to swoop in and provide the golden parachute as it were. With them separated, you begin to create a culture that accepts the reality that every risk could lead to failure and therefore they better avoid too much risk, otherwise it is curtains.

The people at Lehman Brother's thought they would be bailed out and despite all the warning signs, kept making bad decisions.

8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Census Bureau of Atlasia on: April 24, 2017, 10:18:56 pm
Peebs, the are multiple errors on the census list.


You have Potus, Rfayette, and JoMCar listed as having missed April, when they sure as hell voted.

9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The White House Press Room (decriminalization of Cocaine and other drugs coming) on: April 24, 2017, 12:22:41 pm
For one thing, decriminalization does not mean "legalization".


It will still be illegal to traffic it, to produce it, to distribute it and so forth.

Second of all, the current system does not steer people towards rehab, it puts people in jail. And the recidivism rate is through the roof.

We need to steer people towards Rehab, and we passed a bill authored by 1184AZ to do just that, only to have the Senate vote it down.

Mr.X and I attempted a similar effort back in 2014 and was blocked then as well, by none other than TNF, who was indeed a hardcore drug legalizer.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of Federal Elections on: April 24, 2017, 11:48:05 am
NC Yankee 13
Leinad 12
Santander 12
Pesimistic 11
Dereich 12  (w/ Peterthlee's vote)
Simossad 12
Peebs 12
OneJ 12
Clyde 12
Drew 10 (11 w/ Siren's)

Since it is a floor function, the quota rounds down to 12 according to PiT.  NC Yankee is elected with surplus; Leinad, Santander, Dereich, Simossad, Peebs, OneJ and Clyde are elected at quota


10 of my voters preferenced Pessimistic over Drew, 2 preferenced Drew over Pessimistic and 1 Preferenced neither. Clyde calculated everyone's surplus, which only narrows the gap by .11. He has 11.71 and 11.24 doing it his probably more accurate way. My quick and dirty calculation of just my surplus has 11.76 and 11.15 

Either way my surplus gives more to pessimistic than Drew. Drew is eliminated and Pessimistic is elected without quota.

Also, in case anyone is wondering.

HPV:
Fed+ACP+IND is 60  50.42%
Labor is 59               49.58%

How many would like a House result that mirrors the PV that closely in RL? Tongue
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Census Bureau of Atlasia on: April 24, 2017, 11:31:25 am
I am glad that Duke found a way to survive.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of Federal Elections on: April 24, 2017, 11:18:23 am
Yeah you have Drew at 12 votes but only have 11 names down in his box.

Yea, Siren's vote is what gets Drew to 11, not 12.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Census Bureau of Atlasia on: April 24, 2017, 11:15:11 am
Historically, invalid voters were still counted towards activity for registration purposes. Is that no longer the case?

Sbane did cast an invalid vote.


14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Lincoln Senator Scott [Victory!] on: April 24, 2017, 04:13:22 am
Congrats, Scott. Smiley
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act (Debating) on: April 24, 2017, 02:15:52 am
Still waiting!
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: House Bill: The Department of Peace Resolution (Debating) on: April 24, 2017, 02:13:52 am
So any further amendments to remove such wording?
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The Rent Is Too Damn High Act of 2017 (Debating) on: April 24, 2017, 02:12:56 am
So final vote time?

18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Return Education To the Regions Act (Debating) on: April 24, 2017, 02:09:21 am
I guess later is never going to come.

I am going to throw Leinad on this, since I assume he is going to be joining us sometime today as a member.


19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Naturalization Act (Debating) on: April 24, 2017, 02:07:00 am
So, where are we on this?


It is about to lose its sponsor again.

 
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The Ending HFCS Subsidization Act (Debating) on: April 24, 2017, 01:55:10 am
AYE


BACK TO WORK!!!!!
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The Ending HFCS Subsidization Act (At Final Vote) on: April 24, 2017, 01:54:36 am
A final vote is now open the underlying legislation, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Trillionth Federalist Party HQ - For the Constitution and the Free Market!!! on: April 24, 2017, 01:44:43 am
Quote
vi. Vacancies in the House of Representatives shall be filled by the executive of the effected Party; but should a vacancy occur as the result of the death, expulsion, or resignation of a Representative not being a member of a major Party, then a special election shall be held to chose a replacement to serve the remainder of the existing term.


Effective upon Representative Enduro making it official, I am hereby appointing Fmr. Senator Leinad to the House seat to be vacated by Representative Enduro.


Unless he changed his mind, which case...
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ted! on: April 24, 2017, 01:37:20 am
Congrats! TED Cheesy



One hell of a high energy job!
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of Federal Elections on: April 24, 2017, 01:36:32 am
After finding a way to view that tiny spreadsheet, we (like everyone in both parties) discovered that there was a voter missed in Dereich's count.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2017 House Election on: April 23, 2017, 11:59:03 pm

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS



[ 8 ] Clyde1998 of Massachusetts
Labor Party



[ 4 ] Dereich of Colorado
Independent



[ 10 ] drewmike87 of Wisconsin
Labor Party



[ 5 ] Leinad of Georgia
Federalist Party



[ 1 ] North Carolina Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party



[ 6 ] OneJ_ of Mississippi
Labor Party



[ 7 ] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party



[ 3 ] Pessimistic Antineutrino of New Jersey
Federalist Party



[ 2 ] Santander of Alabama
Atlas Conservative Party



[ 9 ] simossad of Minnesota
Labor Party



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