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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: Today at 08:16:32 pm
libertpaulian
Federalist
Indiana


Heisenberg
Federalist
New Mexico

Welcome to the game and to the Party! Smiley
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas posters in 1917 on: Today at 07:36:24 pm
I'm Polish, take a wild guess.

You'd probably be in a Siberian prison for trying to kill the Tsar with a bomb.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which nation do/would you play as in Civilization V? on: Today at 07:16:52 pm
Civ III is my favorite, followed by Civ IV. Civ IV has the best game intro ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLYa6kSDrU


The first scenario I ever played with Civ III was The Roman Empire way back in 2004. But I have played Russia the most, followed by America. Same goes for Civ IV. THe first time I played as Russia in late 2004/early 2005 was the only time I managed to successfully complete the spaceship in Civ III.


Of this list, I would include those as well as the Byzantines. One of my favorite scenarios in the EU series.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: Today at 07:02:00 pm
Quote from: Eternal Senator North Carolina Yankee
Plus what about in 10 years when GA, NC, FL, MS and AZ are unwinnable for the Republicans and Texas is becoming a swing state. Republicans need to break into the Northern states, especially the smaller ones and rebuild in upstate New York at the very least.

I agree that they need to break into existing Democratic states but New York? The state is pretty much a 60% Democratic state now. The younger generation in NY is extremely Democratic. The 18-29 cohort has been voting 72%+ Democratic in presidential elections since at least 2004, and results from other age groups suggest they have only modestly switched as time went on. There is no way Republicans can rebuild in New York in any short amount of time. Any effort would be a generational effort - Like a long-term 20+ year plan, and that assumes they can shape the party into something that is acceptable to New York voters.

Really the only acceptable targets I see for future GOP prospects are Pennsylvania and Great Lakes states, minus Illinois, and to be honest, they are losing electoral votes steadily. By the time they manage to break those states away from Democrats, they might not be worth as much as they originally thought. Pennsylvania's youth vote has been steady Democratic for decades now and it's starting to trickle up into the other age brackets, so this may be contrary to popular belief here, but I think PA's long-term trend is most definitely not positive for Republicans.

Yes, it is definitely a 20+ year process. But you have to start somewhere and Republicans need those upstate House seats now. 

5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: Today at 07:00:09 pm
Ok, it's official now folks. Donald Trump is a secret Democratic agent. It's official. No serious and legitimate Republican nominee would spend time and money in NY and CA. This is all just a huge scheme with the intent of destroying my party.

The last serious Republican Presidents all did. Tongue Just sayin! Tongue
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: Today at 05:47:08 pm
I, North Carolina Yankee, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of Southern Regional Committeeman, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia, so help me God.

7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southern Regional Committee on: Today at 05:44:10 pm
I am likewise excited to work with the members and look forward to establishing a solid governing system for the Southern Region.

I second Leinad's nomination for Chairperson of the Committee.


Finally, what is meant by "secure"?
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: Today at 05:14:54 pm
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If he gets 42%-45% in New York, it means he has won all the marginal and potentially Republican CDs, which would help secure the open seats and pick up NY-03.

Yeah, sure. He loses New York by 4 and loses GA, MO, and NC. It's a terrible strategy. You want to spend where your marginal dollars make the most sense. This would be areas like GA.

He won't get within 4. He'll lose by 15 at least. Trump will win MO, and likely GA and NC as well based on demographics.

It doesn't cost much to hold rallies and those upstate markets aren't as expensive. Plus some of those upstate markets overlap into Northern PA.

Plus what about in 10 years when GA, NC, FL, MS and AZ are unwinnable for the Republicans and Texas is becoming a swing state. Republicans need to break into the Northern states, especially the smaller ones and rebuild in upstate New York at the very least.
9  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: My Idea for electing Supreme Court justices on: Today at 05:06:24 pm
You lost me at the word "electing". Tongue
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: Today at 05:03:49 pm
This is not quite so dumb actually.

If he gets 42%-45% in New York, it means he has won all the marginal and potentially Republican CDs, which would help secure the open seats and pick up NY-03.

And if he has a couple of really good debate performances and suddenly we get 48-43 Clinton leads in NY. She'll have to bomb the place with $20-$30 million to lock it down. In October that is a big diversion of resources from places like OH, FL and PA.
11  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Kaiser Willhelm II on: Today at 04:35:20 am
I don't get this pro-German World War I view that the world would have been so much better if they had won. Events don't occur in a vacuum.

If France lost, there is a good chance the Third Republic fell and that would result in the creation of a government dedicated to restoring its former glorly. That could easily be a fascist dictator.

Also, Russia was in an abyss of rioting in 1914. Knowledge of this actually made things worse, because the German diplomats fueled the notion in Berlin that Russia was a paper tiger and could not possibly stand up to the Central Powers. Patriotic fervor temporarily papered over these problems, but a swift defeat by Germany probably plunges the country into revolution. Considering their history, an iron man on a horse is the most likely outcome.
To be fair, fascist France weaker with a monarchist/democratic Germany with a strong military and a communist Russia is not worse than fascist Germany with a democratic France with a weak military and a communist Russia.

It's much better. Hitler was far worse than Mussolini or the austro-fascists.

It's actually difficult to express how awful the Nazis were.

What is the basis for the "We would be so much better with Germany winning World War I".

1. No World War II: Wrong - see previous post.
2. No mass slaughtering by Hitler - A slaughter is a slaughter, does the author really matter?
3. No Fascism - Yea, France and Russia just gonna happily accept German domination. Their weak gov'ts would fall and the chaos would lead to militant dictators in both countries.

I guess if your standard is "No Hitler", then fine. But that is pretty weak and doesn't even imply avoidance of the devastation caused by him and the war, its just about avoiding him. Which makes little sense. Today, there would be some evil dictator reviled throughout the world for mass mudering, we would never have known Hitler, but we would know this guy instead.
12  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Kaiser Willhelm II on: Today at 04:28:44 am
I don't get this pro-German World War I view that the world would have been so much better if they had won. Events don't occur in a vacuum.

If France lost, there is a good chance the Third Republic fell and that would result in the creation of a government dedicated to restoring its former glorly. That could easily be a fascist dictator.

Also, Russia was in an abyss of rioting in 1914. Knowledge of this actually made things worse, because the German diplomats fueled the notion in Berlin that Russia was a paper tiger and could not possibly stand up to the Central Powers. Patriotic fervor temporarily papered over these problems, but a swift defeat by Germany probably plunges the country into revolution. Considering their history, an iron man on a horse is the most likely outcome.
To be fair, fascist France weaker with a monarchist/democratic Germany with a strong military and a communist Russia is not worse than fascist Germany with a democratic France with a weak military and a communist Russia.

Who said anything about a communist Russia. I said iron man on a horse. As in a proto-fascist military dictatorship that rose to power by bathing the country in blood.

Remember Communist Russia was a fluke produced by the fact that the war had continued and the Bolsheviks were the only group that was both organized and anti-war. Once in power in Moscow and Petrograd, the central nature of their controlled areas, superior organization and quite frankly, ruthless leadership allowed Communist Russia to emerge from the ensuing Civil War. They also channeled Russian nationalism in response to the foreign interventions.

Without the war, a Russian Revolution probably produces a weak gov't followed by a military dictator as the more likely course. It might even be in the form of Tsarist hard liners seeking a counter-revolution.

Tsarist Russia had a long history of persecuting Jews. Depending on the dictators in of
France and Russia especially, mass extermination of people is highly likely and a Russian holocaust is plausible in that scenario.

There was no way for anybody to win WW1 without the other side feeling cheated. Russia felt cheated out of its land because it surrended so much to get peace and then when Germany lost, it got nothing. The Reds blamed the West of course for that. Germany likewise. Revanchist sentiment, anti-semmitism, ruthless right-wing dictatorship. Stalin easily exceeded Hitler in the body count department as it was, I think the same is possible in Russia.

And another thing. a better led and equiped Russian Army could not be defeated by Germany. As it was Russia held up remarkly well when under competent commanders in the first year of World War I. The disasters at Tannenburg were the result of incompetence leadership and rushing into battle head of schedule to relieve the Frence at Marne. German planning even accounted for the fact that Russia would be unbeatable by 1917 as the country had been aggressively industralizing in the early 1900's and more importantly, building up its railway network.

And that gets me to another point, better management of the railway network would have prevented the extreme food and fuel shortages in Petrograd that sparked the rioting that would turn into a full Revolution in February 1917.

Russia under the leadership of such an iron man on a horse, would likely steamroll Germany.
13  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why doesn't the GOP ditch the religious right and culture warriors? on: Today at 01:32:19 am
40% of Romney's votes came from Evangelicals.

Don't don't crap in the face of almost half your voters to win an extra five at the margins.

The problem is not the abortion issue. The problem is the extent and the delivery. Even Ann Coulter said after 2012 that Todd Akin took it so far as to represent puracy with lunacy.

If Angle had been pro-choice she still would have lost to Reid, because Angle is fing nuts. It has nothing to do with social conservatism. If a candidate is low quality like someone like Angle or O'Donnell who never got the time of the day before or after, but somehow managed to grab the Tea Party and ride it to the forefront only to cost the GOP dearly in 2010

Todd Akin on the other hand was a product of the Mike Huckabee wing of the Party, who thinks that just shoving ones fervor in the face of seculars is going to make them get on the knews begging for salvation. It doesn't work like that, the reaction is hostility and victory for the Democrats.

There is a difference between being a Reaganite social conservative and an in your face religious zealot, which is how Ted Cruz came off as. Reagan could win a landslide, Cruz cannot win outside the bible belt.
14  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why doesn't the GOP ditch the religious right and culture warriors? on: Today at 01:25:40 am
Because it has been very, very profitable to pay lip service to them.

Because they enjoy winning elections.

I would argue that the religious right and culture warriors have helped the GOP lose elections they were supposed to win.

At times, yes, that is true when you point to examples like Todd Akin, etc, but the bottom line is there really aren't enough people in this country to solely support a party devoted to pro-big business policies; you have to throw in some piety or nativism or guns or something else to build a sufficiently large enough winning coalition. 

GWB certainly doesn't win in 2004 without his blatant pandering to the religious right.

Now, the GOP might in the not-so-distant future find it expedient to ditch the culture warriors because... they are all old and dying and being replaced by a demographic cohort that doesn't give a damn if you are gay or transgender or latino, etc.

You see this with the rapid change in the Republican party on gay marriage and also the strong pressure to moderate on immigration, both trends for the sake of political expediency.

Although not that long ago, 2004 America =/= 2016 America. McCaskil was vulnerable. Harry Reid was unpopular. Former Governor Pat Quinn lost to Rauner and barely won in 2010. Who did Quinn beat in 2010? State Senator Bill Brady, who was about as far to the right on social issues as you could get. I have little doubt Quinn won then because of how crazy Brady was. I don't like Rauner, but at least he's none of this social issues nonsense that many Republicans are obsessed about.

Pandering to the religious right and also being part of it can be lipstick on a pig. I don't want to hear about your family values if you're impregnating mistresses.

There are a dozen Republicans in Missouri who are strong pro-lifers that would have defeated McCaskil easily. Going too far on the abortion issue in the form of a gaffe, shouldn't lead one to conclude that all social issues must be dropped to win MO. MO is a socially conservative state, just look how it has gotten more Republican as the GOP became more defined by such issues over the 2000s.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: May 2016 Regional Committee Elections on: May 26, 2016, 03:46:34 am

SOUTHERN REGIONAL COMMITTEE - FIVE SEATS


[ 5 ] Adam Griffin of Georgia
Labor Party



[ 4 ] Classic Conservative of Texas
Federalist Party



[ 3 ] Leinad of Georgia
Federalist Party



[ 7 ] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party



[ 1 ] North Carolina Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party



[ 6 ] Southern Gothic of Louisiana
Labor Party



[ 2 ] tmthforu94 of Kansas
Federalist Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________


16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: GOP Sets Out to Prevent Another Donald Trump in 2020 on: May 26, 2016, 01:44:44 am
These guys are just as stupid, and cowardly as they have always been. They are scared of Trump so they run like sheep to the nearest cliff. Genius, fing genius.


Just like they got spooked by the Tea Party, which is what saved them from 30 years in the god damn wildness that they fully earned with Bush, and ran head long like sheep back to the same fing people who destroy the Party in 2006 and 2008, to lead the Party in 2014 and initially in 2016. And you wonder why we have Trump today. Roll Eyes

The problem is they keep trying to ram the same boilerplate down voter's throats, and cannot for the life of themselves understand that is not what people want. You cannot just keep offering the same thing over and over again until people finally vote for it. That is the path not to Whig style destruction, it is the path to Federalist Style destruction. Of being so out of touch with the vast majority of people that they cease to exist as a viable contender.

THE WORLD HAS CHANGED!!! The Bush era GOP is dead, deal with it!!!

17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: May 24, 2016, 10:03:29 pm
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iii. At such time as both the Senate and the House of Representatives shall be seated, this Constitution shall be considered fully implemented; and accordingly all Acts and Offices established under the previous Constitution, or those of the former Regions, shall cease to hold any authority within the Republic of Atlasia.

I am the lawfully selected and confirmed (by the people) Judicial Overlord for the South Region and will remain as such until the new Constitution goes into effect, which is only once the House and Senate have been seated. Unless I am missing another clause somewhere.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: May 24, 2016, 09:57:15 pm
I, North Carolina Yankee, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of Supreme, Almighty, All-Knowing, All Seeing, Southern Judicial Overlord and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia, so help me Dave.


homage to the Legendary John Dibble!!!

Is this whole thing actually allowed? AFAIK, the Constitution only makes provisions for the existing Justices to be handled within the confines of the old game. I don't think the old game can elect a brand new Justice to fill one of the slots in the new game.

I thought the old South existed for two more weeks after consolidation. Spiral said it was time to swear in, so I did. 
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: May 24, 2016, 02:25:37 am
I, North Carolina Yankee, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of Supreme, Almighty, All-Knowing, All Seeing, Southern Judicial Overlord and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia, so help me Dave.


homage to the Legendary John Dibble!!!
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Trillionth Federalist Party HQ - For the Constitution and the Free Market!!! on: May 23, 2016, 05:23:02 am
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21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Trillionth Federalist Party HQ - For the Constitution and the Free Market!!! on: May 23, 2016, 05:21:52 am
THE FEDERALIST PARTY OF ATLASIA
The Party of Freedom
The Party of the Constitution
The Party of the Free Market
est. November 22, 2012

Built with Atlasian Capitalism

Our Calling:
The Federalist Party believes that individuals, not the government, can make the best decisions. We stand for a federalist system of government built on strong checks and balances to protect people from tyranny. We therefore stand for the rights of regions, and oppose attempts by the federal government to infringe on their rights. We stand for reforms that strengthen and revitalize regions, as well as the game as a whole. We believe that all individuals are equal and entitled to equal rights, with a government strong enough to protect freedom, but too weak to jeopardize it. We stand for market based economic approaches to promote general prosperity and, in conjuction with policies to strengthen hard working families and improve education, address societal ills, like pressing economic inequalities. The Federalist Party stands for an Atlasia that welcomes participants, both new and old, and values their contributions to game.


Leadership
Chairman: NC Yankee Mar 2, 2014 -
Vice Chairman: Leinad April 26th, 2016  -
Secretary: Altsomn Stmarken (JoMCar) June 12, 2015-

Caucuses
The Federalist Mainstreet Partnership: Founded by Altsomn Stmarken in 2014
The Coolidge Society: Founded by JCL in 2014

Important Links
Bylaws
Platform
Party Song: Battle Cry of Freedom
Party Color: Orangered
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The New Office of DKrol on: May 23, 2016, 04:34:51 am
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I looked at the current situation and, in my assessment, Civic Renewal is not as strong, united, or organized as it used to be.

We are working very hard, behind the scenes, to make CR a stronger party and to unite all the centre and centre-right people.

However, good luck for your run! Smiley

Now you now how it feels to be underestimated on that subject. Tongue Been there twice.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Political Tracker - 4th Constitution Special (CONSTITUTION PASSES THRESHOLD) on: May 23, 2016, 04:22:27 am
Then its time to kick it up to eleven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HjScwPByEWM#t=957

The beginning and the end! One plot has been completed, in order to open, the next door!
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The story of Operation Pacific Rimjob on: May 23, 2016, 04:00:13 am
When I see this, I don't see a Revolution, I see a restoration of old practices or I should say old desired practices. A small game dominated by an exclusive clique with a funky name and theme, with a radical in your face gov't structure that isn't conducive to bring anybody in or welcome new people, more or less to encourage activity. Yet they have the audacity to lecture us about "ruling classes" and "power structures". It is basically being led by the same people with some newer faces of like political mind to replace those who have left. When I came here they were much closer to being the ruling class or the power structure then any kind of Revolutionaries. They were displaced when the game expanded and became dominated by the JCP and RPP political machines, and they were forced to operate within that structures as a result, and they hated it.

They have abandoned the politics of policy and have abandoned discourse on such policy issues because there is little else to be accomplished for people of such politics, thus they can't see anything to gain from further participation in such. The problem with that it is the surest path to oblivion in a political elections game. If they want to disband Atlasia for one reason or another then my recommendation would be to just leave instead of nuking it for those that still care about it.

Is that what it is all about? Get what you want and then shut it down?

Mine is better. Tongue

Second paragraph even predicts the future. Wink
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The demise of the Pacific: an explanation on: May 23, 2016, 03:34:02 am
At the end of the day, it looks like we all got what we wanted!

Cannot imagine that having anything to do with the success achieved now compared to the failure last time against a backdrop of hostage taking. Wink

Also my lengthy post above, should be required reading for anyone desiring the truth not peddled by radcalist propaganda machine. Tongue
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