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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Daughter of Sen. Manchin raises EpiPen price 400% on: August 25, 2016, 01:34:43 am
NY Times sez that a generic may be out by next year, so yeah, it's a good old fashioned money grab

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/business/mylan-raised-epipens-price-before-the-expected-arrival-of-a-generic.html?_r=0


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One weapon the payers use in bargaining is to threaten to switch patients to a less expensive drug. But knowing a generic EpiPen was coming, an insurer might have been reluctant to switch patients from EpiPen to Sanofi’s Auvi-Q (when it was still on the market), because once patients got used to Auvi-Q, it would have been harder to switch them to the even cheaper generic EpiPen once it reached the market.

Funny how people are okay with insurance companies doing this, but if someone suggests the government do so (that's what "negotiating drug prices" for Medicare would mean), people throw a fit and rant about MUH DEATH PANELS.

We should be negotiating for that and everything the gov't pays for.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: shua's pitch for the House on: August 25, 2016, 12:43:30 am
Perhaps in my pitch to you about taking the seat, I shouldn't have said, "It will only be for three or four weeks".   

#AccidentallyJinxed


Anyway, I made the right choice when I appointed you to my/Goldwater's seat. Smiley As I expected, you did a great job as you always do. However, we seem to never be able to keep you there long enough. Sad

3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 25, 2016, 12:03:30 am
TPP was the main problem of the previous game, even bigger than the too big number of offices. Now this party is gone, thanks to great coordination hehe, the game is functioning again.

One of the most hillarious things was some TPP people being the loudest in bitching how Atlasia is broken.
God, that was a nightmare. It was like being Mark Antony in the third act of Julius Caesar: all these people who I had thought were good-natured, level-headed posters stepped forward and one by one cast off their cloaks and thrust their daggers into the game's unsuspecting back.

TPP was hijacked by people who were brought along for the ride in 2012 but really didn't have a connection to its founding purposes and principles, which is why when one of them got control two years later, I told Duke it would be its undoing and it was. TPP didn't try to destroy this game, the radicals running it until ditching alongside the road for dead, did. I think it is a great credit that before going out of existence TPP fell back into the hands of Duke and of people like yourself who did much to help save this game from the abyss, and frankly I find it disgracefull that some are blaming TPP for the actions of the radicals. 
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: August 24, 2016, 02:15:50 am
So I'll fight, tilt the windmills if it may, but I will continue to stand behind a concrete and cohesive conservativism, not this hodgepodge patchwork that is the Federalists.

And what happens when you are done and you find yourself alone, having basically pulled a Trump (regarding his constantly fighting back). Fighting and Fighting on losing fronts, that your knocked yourself and your movement, completely out of existence. Can you honestly say at that point, that such was sell served for your principles? You mentioned the pro-life bill. Such could be passed before, this new majority you voted for never would. That is the problem, and that is exactly what Adam wants. When you lose the Tmth's and the Goldwaters, you lose the four and fifth votes on those social issues that you can win on. If going on a rino safari suits your fancy, then don't be surprised if you end up locking yourself into the losing side of a 7-3 spread.

It is easy for Adam to compare the right to the left, but what he fails to mention in his role as the little horned devil on your shoulder (which I would note that post was dripping with such patronizing language), that it is easy to go full socialist and succeed on the internet, because it is the Internet there are millions to be found. Social conservatives are a finite commodity. Adam knows full well the Atlasian right is propped up by social libertarians and he knows there is know way a Conservative Party can succeed taking the Labor path.

Politics is at the end of the day, demographic. It is why Trump is the GOP nominee, why Obama is President, it is why Labor is the dominant leftwing party in Atlasia, and it is why the general composition of the Right's coalition regardless of party has not changed in Atlasia for close to nine years.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 24, 2016, 01:37:41 am
The non-ideological/centrist party cult phenomenon is the biggest threat to the game on a recurring basis. Everything else pales in comparison, including IRC parties and do-nothing representatives. You have never stood up to these threats proactively or reactively in my time here - ever - except when you personally, individually were harmed. Maybe Labor takes a more bold stance when those parties are chomping after us, but your side can't even manage to rise to the occasion when its own existence is being threatened.

I must have missed the part where CR tried to dissolve the game and wreck the convention. That was your "old hell raiser buddies" who did that, the people who you propped up and then opportunistically used when it suited your purposes.

First off, nothing in this game can "harm me", because it is just a game. You are putting the cart before the horse again. They didn't come after me for the heck of it, and then I responded after losing. I have been hostile towards the radicals and their objectives in some cases for EIGHT YEARS! I kept them shut out of the Senate routinely and when they weren't, I often managed to block them anyway. That changed when you came on the picture, embraced their ideas for your party and began to facilitate their elections and bids for office in 2013.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 24, 2016, 01:16:44 am
You left the game?

Unlike in late 2013, you have "people" who ensure that whenever you are gone, your worst intincts and desires are advanced.

Until a couple of days ago, I can't remember the last time I even posted on these boards. Early July I suppose? Is it really so hard for you to believe that I was burnt out after two terms as President (and four years in the game), didn't care at all about the game and wasn't following it? My activity levels  during the latter half of my second term should speak to the veracity of my claims.

Don't blame me, I voted for Leinad (Also never voted to make Hamilton/Nappy President, but we all can't be perfect. Tongue).

And like I said, "others".


7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 24, 2016, 01:09:41 am
You don't give a sh**t about the right. You want them divided, defeated and downsized by an exodus of those sick of leftwing dominance. You got burned the last time you tried to pull that off, but clearly you have learned nothing and forgotten everything and feel sorry for your Party members who likely face the same fate once UA or perhaps some other centrist party inherits the earth NLC style.

You know what? No. You've been rambling and despite my desire to be succinct, you're not going to slide by with that.

You all didn't seem to be all too concerned with that when you were playing enablers to Hamilton's Liberal cult. You all didn't have the gall to stand up to Progressive Union when it seemingly posed a threat. Despite your private concerns about TPP, you guys never had the gall to publicly or privately declare war on them until your precious little Senate seat was snatched away from you. All of those threatened Labor, so you loved it.

Still, though, you didn't have the testicular fortitude to fight back against CR when it emerged and began to poach your office holders and members. And apparently, you don't have the stones to fight back against the UA, which is almost exclusively taking people from your hemisphere as we speak.

Say what you will about my strategies, but the only reason the Federalists have been able to be such appeasers and political opportunists is because you've been the naturally weaker of the two parties throughout almost all of this. It's very unlikely that a wishy-washy right-center party is going to dominate the game, and there's freedom in that for you.

If Labor had responded to the splinter left movements and parties in the same way that you guys have responded to them and your own threats, then the game would already be dominated by a one-party cult. You may think Labor has enabled some of these movements, but Labor is the only reason these movements and parties have also been defeated.

See my sig: you called me Churchill. You're the real Chamberlain.

And you didn't give a sh**t about that either, as long as they served you and your agenda. Who put a fringe third partier into the SEnate who campaigned on doing nothing except posting in a funky font? You also enabled and propped up others from the IRCabal for over a year, for the same reason, either for the agenda or because they likelise hated the PU and before them the Liberals. That makes you Franz Von Papen not Churchill.

And I see your pentient for revisionist history is ever present. I was calling "them" out along with you, when you were still best buddies (see above) from 2013 onwards, which is why they worked to drive me out of the Senate, which because I was pretty effective in denying them their objectives and goals. "They" took over the TPP and used it as a vehicle before ditching it along the side of the road and driving off.  You seem to forget that the same thing that cost me the Senate seat, is the same thing that hampered my ability to actually do something about them for about six months (loss of internet, then having to move right before the election). You didn't declare war on "them" until after you let them hand you back the White House that your party didn't deserve after wrecking the country just four months prior. And you have the gall to lecture me about being opportunistic?
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 24, 2016, 12:50:48 am
Yes, your old tricks including screwing over your own Presidents (especially the best among them) and propping up radicals, crazies and traitors (Because its "part of doing business"), have done wonders for the game. Among such old tricks include desperately trying to fracture and destroy the Federalist Party, despite the fact when your wish almost came to pass you got scared sh**tless by the prospect of an amorphous centrist Party (controlled by above mentioned forces who you helped facilitate I would add) absorbing its voting power and dominating your helpless Labor party.

Genius man, sheer genius.

You don't give a sh**t about the right. You want them divided, defeated and downsized by an exodus of those sick of leftwing dominance. You got burned the last time you tried to pull that off, but clearly you have learned nothing and forgotten everything and feel sorry for your Party members who likely face the same fate once UA or perhaps some other centrist party inherits the earth NLC style.

RIP New Labor. It has clearly been crucified on a Cross of Griffin. Called it, months ago.

I literally came back to the game two days ago. That's a lot of accomplishments - even for me - in 48 hours!

In the Words of Ronald Reagan
Mr Senator North Carolina Yankee, PPT
There you go Again

You left the game?

Unlike in late 2013, you have "people" who ensure that whenever you are gone, your worst intincts and desires are advanced. And I predicted this months ago when you were still President.

You are a sh**t stirring, hell raiser at heart. Being straight man as President to "save the game" drove your batsh**t crazy. No you are going to have fun again!
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 24, 2016, 12:47:53 am
Still, it's entertaining how leaders of the right always have to inauthentically pretend they don't believe JCL is an embarrassment that has to be carefully managed. It's been a constant for chairmen past and present over the last 4+ years, lol. It's funny how some things never change. I check in and it's all the same.

The irony is, just like a certain disappointing election a year ago, here too I also faced a horrible work schedule working against me.

Perhaps you would note that back in May, we did elect JCL and another very controversial social conservative (probably more controversial than JCL, and he actually got reelected last weekend), along with a Libertarian and two mainstream Conservatives. For the one millonth time, JCL was fighting a three way battle for votes and he has also had some RL events far more important than Atlasia occuring in this past term, which as you should know, I am painfully aware can often impact the next election severely.

I am not generally embarrassed by my party members. I agree with them on most issues and those that we don't, I respectfully disagree and focus mainly on those issues that we can all agree on and I try my best to ensure they can get get elected. 
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 23, 2016, 11:52:12 pm
Another election, another JCL bid thrown under the bus by the Federalists. Sad!

Don't start that bullsh@$t again.

Unlike Labor, who are all minions for your bidding voting wise, we have defined sections that we strive to ensure are adequately represented by our candidates. This reduces flexibility a great deal, but at least we strive to represent the electorate as the House should indeed, represent the people. 

JCL is a superb representative of the conservatarian movement in Atlasia and thus those voters, but that necessarily limits his base obviously and he found himself competing with three other candidates for the same votes.


As is typical, whenever Adam loses his favorite Texas pawn, he moves on to try and prey viciously on JCL and get him to do his bidding. This isn't 2013 and one thing is clear, Adam is an old dog who seems to prefer old tricks. This one won't hunt anymore, because no one should be foolish enough to think the one who mosts desires their failure, would do anything but work to ensure it and have such in mind with everything he does.

You seem very defensive over something that you say isn't going to work. If you'd put half the energy into GOTV as you do into writing those long-winded tirades, JCL would be heading to the House. Sad!

I wish Ben Kenobi and JCL the best of luck with their new party, though.

And my old tricks are the best tricks: that's how they got to be old in the first place! They certainly worked this weekend, didn't they?

Yes, your old tricks including screwing over your own Presidents (especially the best among them) and propping up radicals, crazies and traitors (Because its "part of doing business"), have done wonders for the game. Among such old tricks include desperately trying to fracture and destroy the Federalist Party, despite the fact when your wish almost came to pass you got scared sh**tless by the prospect of an amorphous centrist Party (controlled by above mentioned forces who you helped facilitate I would add) absorbing its voting power and dominating your helpless Labor party.

Genius man, sheer genius.

You don't give a sh**t about the right. You want them divided, defeated and downsized by an exodus of those sick of leftwing dominance. You got burned the last time you tried to pull that off, but clearly you have learned nothing and forgotten everything and feel sorry for your Party members who likely face the same fate once UA or perhaps some other centrist party inherits the earth NLC style.

RIP New Labor. It has clearly been crucified on a Cross of Griffin. Called it, months ago.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2016 Federalist Convention - Lincoln, Nebraska (Platform Discussion) on: August 23, 2016, 11:32:16 pm
Has Leinad finished reviewing the text? He has been authorized to open and close votes here, so I figured he would once he had done so.



Anyway, does anyone have comments, concerns, recommendations, etc?
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Which of the following Trump advocates do you think are going to run in 2020 on: August 23, 2016, 01:54:16 am
I actually think Pence could have a solid shot at the nomination in 2020 if Trump loses.

Some percentage of the Trump vote will go to him and there is nothing that Ted Cruz can out do him on.

And frankly you guys are all miscalculating this, which does not surprise me. Hannity is already calling Cruz a saboteur and he is more powerful than Beck. If Trump loses, whatever devil Trump might have been in office will never be known, instead there will be the devil in the White House and anybody who is viewed as being complicit in helping to facilitate her election will be viewed with hostility.

Pence is a natural candidate for all of Cruz's voters and Pence has consistency on his side for much longer. You go back a decade or more and you find Pence voting against Bush on NCLB and opposing  out of control spending. Like most Texas Republicans, Cruz was a Bush shill for most of the 2000's. Pence trying to make the best of Trump and help defeat Hillary Clinton will sell much better to GOP vote audiences then Cruz's intransigence and shifting stories on the motivation for it.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 23, 2016, 01:20:14 am
Another election, another JCL bid thrown under the bus by the Federalists. Sad!

Don't start that bullsh@$t again.

Unlike Labor, who are all minions for your bidding voting wise, we have defined sections that we strive to ensure are adequately represented by our candidates. This reduces flexibility a great deal, but at least we strive to represent the electorate as the House should indeed, represent the people.  

JCL is a superb representative of the conservatarian movement in Atlasia and thus those voters, but that necessarily limits his base obviously and he found himself competing with three other candidates for the same votes.


As is typical, whenever Adam loses his favorite Texas pawn, he moves on to try and prey viciously on JCL and get him to do his bidding. This isn't 2013 and one thing is clear, Adam is an old dog who seems to prefer old tricks. This one won't hunt anymore, because no one should be foolish enough to think the one who mosts desires their failure, would do anything but work to ensure it and have such in mind with everything he does.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: JCL 3.0 on: August 23, 2016, 12:36:03 am
I hope you will stick around, man. Smiley


I feared going in that with three candidates sharing the same base it would be stretched too thinly.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: August 23, 2016, 12:20:27 am
In 2009, Hamilton claimed a certain old Party didn't represent Libertarians and so he created his own even though he was hardly a libertarian himself.

At least when he did so though, he didn't actively sabotage and reduce the size of the libertarian contingent in the Legislature to facilitate his argument.


16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Why did the Democrats lose so badly in 2010? on: August 22, 2016, 11:39:01 pm
A very large part of why Dems lost so badly was that Obama allowed his people to take over the DNC and tear down the 50 state strategy that had served the party so well from 2005-2008.  With this infrastructure gone, most Democrats elected with its help had no support to help them withstand Republican attacks and onslaughts.  

Had the infrastructure that Howard Dean had set up in 2005 and 2006 remained in place, Democrats may have held their losses to a more normal amount (around 30 seats in the House).  Remember that Dems lost multiple seats that they should have been able to hold even in a bad year like FL-22, IL-17, TX-27, NY-24, NC-02, MN-08, etc.

FL-22: Klein voted for ObamaCare
NY-24: Republicans held that seat before the 2006 Dem Wave.
MN-08: Cravack wiped the floor with Oberstar in a debate.

No way should Dems should have lost TX-27 though I agree with you there.

I meant NY-25 rather than NY-24.  In FL-22, Klein voting for Obamacare shouldn't have been that big of a problem in a district that even John Dying Tree Kerry won.

The district had been held by a Republican for decades prior to 2006 when Clay Shaw lost and it was a fairly close district. Also, it was horrendous gerrymander.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: Senate Majority PAC (D): Bayh up 18 in Indiana on: August 22, 2016, 11:33:09 pm
Internals are showing VERY high numbers for him. I think the Monmouth poll is more accurate, it's probably Bayh +7 right now. Young should pound hard on the residence issue, and also air positive ads about him. In the end this race will be VERY close.

Considering the nature of Indiana polling I'd take internals and lack of response from the GOP than the Monmouth.  At the rate of GOP fundraising as of late imo, the GOP should triage this race

That would be stupid. It is one of the few D leaning competitive seats, that is not likely going to be running up against a steep Presidential margin in the opposite direction.

You don't triage one of your easiest paths to keeping your current majority. If I was the NRSC, come October, I would be pouring most of the resources into IN, PA, AZ and NC (assuming Burr doesn't get his a## in gear before then).
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2016 House of Representative Elections on: August 21, 2016, 11:59:04 pm

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS


[  ] 1184AZ of Washington
Labor Party



[ 7 ] Abraham Washington of New York
United Alternative



[ 3 ] ClarkKent of Connecticut
Federalist Party



[ 5 ] Classic Conservative of Texas
Federalist Party



[  ] Clyde1998 of Massachusetts
Labor Party



[ 1 ] dfwlibertylover of Texas
Federalist Party



[  ] evergreen of Illinois
Labor Party



[ 6 ] JohanusCalvinusLibertas of Indiana
Federalist Party



[ 8 ] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party




[ 9 ] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party




[ 4 ] Santander of Alabama
Federalist Party



[ 2 ] Shua of Alaska
Freedom and Solidarity Party



[  ] Talleyrand of Texas
Nationalist Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: UPDATED: County maps w/ Margins on: August 21, 2016, 10:35:01 pm
If Trump is doing well enough with College educated whites to win Hamilton County, I would suspect he is certainly winning Geauga and Lake. Also certainly winning all three of the marginals near Lucas county (Sandusky, Ottawa and Wood).
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2016 Southern Senate Voting Booth on: August 21, 2016, 09:48:36 pm
Southern Senate:
[X] tmthforu94
[ ] Write-in:
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP Panic in North Carolina on: August 20, 2016, 03:02:16 am
I said months ago that HB2 could cripple the NC GOP far more than Trump or anything else every could.



And frankly I am getting sick and tired of every four years, having people come out flailing their arms about the national campaign needing to come to the rescue. Like Tommy Thompson in 2012, saying he expected the top of the ticket to carry him. WTF? Multi-term popular governor is relying on Willard Mittens Romney, to carry him to victory?

Seriously, these people need to get off their butts and make their own case for themselves. And at this stage, that includes Burr as well.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which state exit polls are you most looking forward to? on: August 20, 2016, 02:39:58 am
I generally don't pay much attention to exit polling.

But I suppose Ohio, PA, Iowa and Florida.
23  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to sternly lecture Spark498 about creating so many threads on: August 17, 2016, 08:21:11 pm
Yeah. There should be a strict limit on the number of threads you can create in a single days, probably no more than 3. We've had issues with other posters like this as well.

That would cause problems in both Atlasia boards.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Why did the Democrats lose so badly in 2010? on: August 17, 2016, 08:12:57 pm
I never quite understood why the Democrats lost so badly in 2010 midterm elections. I mean, really badly. Less than two years before President Obama got into office with unbelievable enthusiasm. How did it come so far? Democrats held 257 house seats, thatís ten more than the GOP currently holds. Meaning, they could have lost more than 35 seats and still maintain a majority. Why did it happen so fast? Such big losses are, if at all, more common in the midterm elections during a second presidential term, but not the first.

I often heard that it was due to the slow economic recovery in Obamaís first two years. However, I found an analogy in history that tells a different story: In 1932, during a great recession, a Democratic president was elected with great enthusiasm, Democrats won large majorities in congress and the administration consequently passed major reforms to battle the economic downturn. The public mainly blamed previous Republican administrations for the crisis. Very similar to 2008. But as it is well known, the US economy did just slightly improve until the late 1930s. The New Deal helped a lot, but it took WW2 to take the country entirely out of the depression. But unlike in 2010, the 1934 midterms saw practically no changes in congress (Dems even made minor gains), although the economy just slightly got better. The voters didnít lose patience with FDR so fast; they even reelected him by a record margin in 1936 and further expanded the congressional majorities.

Didnít low voter turnout play a bigger role? And the fact that Republicans were less obstructionist against FDR than Obama?


Democrats won on similar demographics in 2006, an electorate controlled by traditional independents and working class swing voters and less by minorities (and Republicans did very well in both 2010 and 2014 with minorities Hispanics were 38% in 2010 and 35% in 2014).

The problem was that Democrats lost control of the economic argument because they focused on healthcare and failed to connect the two together. Thus creating the impression among those swing groups that the Democrats rather than creating jobs were ramming through a corrupt healthcare bill.

Also, it easy to forget now but the tea party was very popular in 2009 and 2010 because it combined a libertarian outrage at big gov't with an equally vocal opposition to the Wall Street bailouts. Since it was a rebellion against the GOP establishment, it helped to distance the Republicans from the Bush administration (the first signs of the GOP cracking at the seams began in 2007 when the base revolted against Bush over the immigration bill. Bush never had that problem before then and several primaries occured in 2008 cycle ousting incumbents over that issue. Another strand of the tea party came from the Ron Paul movement, which of course had no connection to Bush. There was no such rebellion in 1934.) Anyway the populism of the tea party and its opposition to the despised Bush era GOP, saved the Republicans from being weighed down by the unpopularity of Bush and allowed them to capitalize more fully on the vulnerablilities of the Democrats.

Republicans also had a lot of their candidates for office were small businessmen and military vets with no political history and thus no Bush era votes to defend. Rand Paul, Ron Johnson and Adam Kinzinger come to mind. Still more came from the ranks of dissenting Republicans who opposed Bush era spending/establishment like Pat Toomey.   

The Republicans also managed to successfully bring the debt and size/power of gov't to the top of the discussion, which came as a surprise to many people who expected limited gov't conservatism was dead and buried by the recession. Finally, the plethora of economic and gov't issues, pushed social issues to the back burner creating substantial snap back for the Republicans in suburbs in New York, PA and Illinois.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Why did the Democrats lose so badly in 2010? on: August 17, 2016, 07:52:57 pm
You had Pelosi on the news saying Obamacare had to be passed to know what was in the bill. Seemed like they rammed it through as well to most people.

No that was an out-of-context quote played by the media over and over and over again.

So what if it was. Perception is reality in politics.

You also had the video recording of the guy telling his class about the con job they pulled when selling Obamacare to the public.

There was a general sense of misdirection because the case was never made that healthcare would help the economy and Unemployment was just dreadful in 2009 and 2010.

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