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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Downsize the Debt Act (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 06:28:53 pm
The money was printed that was paid to the Treasury for these securities. If that is the case, it could not only weaken the dollar but also cause inflation, because it sends a message we are monetizing the debt no?
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MW: Midwest Immigration and Integration Act (As Amended) on: September 29, 2014, 06:22:16 pm
Accidentally clicked on this. Is Part 3, clause 3, legal? I mean as a regionalist, I will gladly forget I looked in here, but still. Wink

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Part 3: Undocumented immigrants
3) Undocumented immigrants who have lived in the region for at least two years and have gainful employment shall gain the full rights of legal immigrants.

Why?

Doesn't Federal law set the status of legal and illegal aliens?
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party of Atlasia HQ, Nyman, DC (THE CONVENTION APPROACHETH) on: September 29, 2014, 06:18:41 pm
The October convention will be starting on Friday... I think.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: TheCranberry for SoIA (Questioning) on: September 29, 2014, 05:49:50 pm
What experience do have related to this work and how do you think it prepares you for the challenges of being SoIA?  (generic bs experience question)


You say you plan a limited or interim term in the position. Do you view as possible a lasting impact of any sort or any attempt to do anything new/propose reforms to the position in that time?

Also, regardless of that, what do you think of current policy/laws in this regard, and what would you recommend in terms of reforms if any from where it is now?
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Downsize the Debt Act (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 05:44:03 pm
Nay I think we can atleast debate the matter.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Solving Long Term Unemployment Act (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 05:42:25 pm
As far as I can tell, the kinds of jobs that are growing are ones that you don't necessarily need a college degree for. Manual labor directly employed in shipping and warehousing is the fastest growing occupation (IIRC) and that honestly doesn't require any kind of specific training whatsoever. IRL this is a low-paid, non-union sector, but I would assume (with stronger unions and labor protections) that this is not the case in Atlasia. We could modify this bill so that the unemployed are put directly to work where needed, as part of a tripartite council of the state, labor, and business.

You need certificates and licensing though and that can cost money. But yeah, shipping and storage rises and falls with the general economy, if the economy is coming back from a deep recession, and retail and whole sale trade is thus growing by substantial amounts, a lot of labor would be needed in that field obviously. That does not make it a strong sector over the long term, more or less a leading sector.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Ending Financial Havens for Islamic State (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 05:37:07 pm
"As the General (forgets name) would tell you, you could not withdraw our troops in six months if we started today" - Joe Biden at the Youtube/CNN debate 2007.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to Official Senate Rules and Procedures (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 05:31:18 pm
What about 63:25 Tyrion?

And then we should take care of expulsion.
Quote from: Amendment Offered I Think
Article VIII: Expulsion

1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of another sitting Senator by creating a thread in the Atlas Fantasy Government Board for one of the three following reasons:

    i. The Senator has not posted anything on the Atlas Fantasy Government board for 168 consecutive hours. If a the Senator in question has posted a valid Leave of Absence (LOA, defined in VIII.2), then the time covered by that LOA shall not count toward those 168 hours, but periods of inactivity before and after the LOA shall count as a continuous period, provided there are no interceding posts.
    ii. The Senate has demonstrative proof that the aforementioned Senator no longer desires to perform or is no longer capable of performing the duties vested in him or her by the Atlasian people and the federal Constitution.
    iii. A Senator posts a LOA longer than 368 hours.

2. The rules for a valid Leave of Absence (LOA) are as follows:

    i. A LOA must be posted on the Atlas Fantasy Government board and contain specific dates, the hours of which will not be counted towards the 168 hours mentioned above.
    ii. The LOA may not extend to the end of the term or last more than 368 hours.
    iii. The posting of the LOA itself shall be considered activity, and may break up a consecutive period where applicable.


3. If the motion to expel is seconded by another Senator, the PPT shall commence debate and hear the reasons for the expulsion motion and let the Senator being expelled respond and defend himself. Debate on the expulsion of the Senator shall last for no less than 72 hours. Once 72 hours has expired, a Senator may motion for an extension of 48 hours, which the PPT shall grant if and only if the Senator facing expulsion has already presented himself to the Senate before the end of the 72 hour debate period.

4. After all time has expired, the PPT shall close the debate and open a vote, lasting 72 hours, on the expulsion of the Senator. The vote shall require, in accordance with Article 1, Section 3, Clause 1 of the Constitution, two thirds of the Senate to vote in the affirmative to expel the Senator. This 72 hour vote may be ended early if enough Senators have voted for it to pass or fail. The vote may be ended early if a majority is reached. In the case of a tie, the VP shall have an additional 24 hours to cast his/her vote.

5. Following the expulsion of a Senator, the PPT shall inform the administrator of that particular Senator's election of the occurrence of a vacancy in the expelled Senator’s seat the vacancy. The election, appointment, or any other form of selection of someone as Senator whilst still within a term from which that same someone has previously been expelled from the Senate shall not be recognized by the Senate. The Senate shall not recognize any Senator who was previously expelled in the same or preceding session.

There is still the clogging rule and the override section that need to be fixed at the very least.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Police Militarization and Civil Rights Act (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 05:23:04 pm
I appreciate this debate about police and why they exist but lets not forget the funding issue.

First is scraping surplus and using the money to pay for this feasible? Only one has responded so far on this matter.

Second, what about the NE, considering the Public Means Public Act, how do we go about distributing the money as this is a similar instance of one region already doing this?
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Downsize the Debt Act (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 05:19:04 pm
First of all, this wouldn't cause a global collapse. No economist would agree with that. That's just nonsense.

Cranberry, this has nothing to do with private banks. The Fed currently holds a ton of securities issued by the Federal government, which the Federal government must make interest payments on. That makes zero sense. Why should the government pay interest to a government bank?

This isn't some goldbug wacko proposal (those will come later Tongue), it's just common sense.


Wouldn't selling them all at once cause unnecessary financial instability though. How much are we talking in securities and wouldn't it be better to do them in sections as opposed to all at once then?
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Energy for the Future Bill 2014 (Debating) on: September 29, 2014, 05:14:49 pm
Reluctantly Nay
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sgt. Where's My Car?' Act on: September 29, 2014, 05:12:31 pm
This was in response to an issue that came up locally in NC but is a more widespread problem that than. Basically servicemen and women are re-stationed and their personal vehicles are shipped to them by the branch's transportation command, who then in turn contracts it out to a private company. The problem is that both the company is backlogged severely and customs is causing still further delays, particularly if the car was purchased overseas. This problem is causing financial strain for the service men and women who have to lease or buy another car whilst they wait. Considering we went seven months without a car ourselves, I can tell you in NC, that is a death sentence and large concentrations of our military are stationed in similar states where public transportation is limited or none existent.

These people sacrifice a lot to serve our country, they shouldn't be forced to contend with this red tape bs with regards to their personal vehicles.
13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: So my phone started playing U2 unprompted today... on: September 29, 2014, 05:02:28 pm
U2 playing is not something to complain about.

"...the most beautiful sound I ever heard..." Tongue
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Mideast Governor TJ on: September 29, 2014, 04:54:06 pm
I'm disappointed I won't get to hear the lawsuit that surely would've followed a signature. Wink

Good policy = bad for the game.


Sad but true. We get the good policy that is needed in real life, yet real life gets the circus that would make this place more entertaining without the consequences of such being real.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Hammer and Sickle Polling: October 2014 Presidential Race on: September 29, 2014, 04:49:56 pm
Well Marokai is probably the best possible candidate that the Laborites could have gotten, though his cross appeal overlaps with part of the Lumine/Iron King ticket's base, namely The People.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: The Redraft Amendment (Debating) on: September 28, 2014, 05:18:40 pm
The whole sign or veto idea should be a thing of the past. I want the Emperor to have the power to give his own impression on legislation in this manner. It was between this or a line item veto Tongue

what is wrong with a line item veto, faux fi con? Tongue Wink

This was easier Tongue

..."and to do the other things, not because they are easier..." Tongue
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Police Militarization and Civil Rights Act (Debating) on: September 28, 2014, 05:16:15 pm
How much money could be raised from scrapping the surplus and is there any other downside to doing that?
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who will win in Arkansas? on: September 28, 2014, 05:05:32 pm
Hopefully Cotton. We need less fossils in the government if you ask me.

So I presume you're supporting Gregory the Gallant in Kansas?

I have mixed feelings about Greg Orman. He sounds like a Democrat in Independent's clothing, but he seems at least more moderate than other Democrats. I'd feel safer if he promised not to caucus with either party in the Senate, assuming that's allowed.

It's allowed, but that would mean getting either no committee assignments or just really bad ones which would tend to make one a terribly ineffective senator.

So it's allowed but discouraged? Washington was right about the perils of political parties, it seems.

That Oregon Senator tried it for a spell after he left the GOP in the 1950's but eventually he just joined the Democrats. He literally put a folding chair in between the two sides of the chamber.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senate control on: September 28, 2014, 05:00:40 pm
Actually the first five GOP seats to win seems just like it did about a year ago. The order in the top three and four and five has shifted, but it seems that West Virginia, Montana and South Dakota, followed by Arkansas/Alaska, Alaska/Arkansas. I like what is happening in Iowa and feel better about winning it then Colorado, but it is hard not to paint CO as seventh or eighth now and certainly ahead of NC, possibly even LA.

As for NC, Tillis would likely be the 54 or 55th GOP Senator at this point and right now I am feeling good about the 51-53 seat range.

I will hold off on considering the Kansas situation until I see some more polling now that the GOP has begun to take it seriously.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: The Orman and 50 Republican Senators scenario on: September 28, 2014, 04:52:30 pm
I have a hard time seeing him killing his Senatorial career in the crib by being the vote that kept Harry Reid as the majority leader. Maybe if he's already ruled out running for re-election. I think he'd personally prefer to caucus with the Dems, but in this scenario I think he'll try to paint himself as the Murkowsky from Kansas.

Why are you so cruel? Nobody should be trying to paint themselves as the Murkowski of anything. Hopefully we will fix that in 2016.

I have a hard time seeing him killing his Senatorial career in the crib by being the vote that kept Harry Reid as the majority leader. Maybe if he's already ruled out running for re-election. I think he'd personally prefer to caucus with the Dems, but in this scenario I think he'll try to paint himself as the Murkowsky from Kansas.

To be fair, it'll probably be nearly impossible for him to get reelected even if he caucuses with the Republicans. A random Republican congresscritter will come barreling out of the R primary and knock him out by being more conservative, yet not insane like a Brownback/Buck/Angle type.

Roberts is actually a good senator, he just dropped the ball in this election. Certainly compared to the alternatives when you look at the bench in Kansas. I mean if Roberts loses, Brownback is certainly finished too. Both of Kansas' Senators are from KS-01 (Jerry Moran will probably get 65%-70% in 2016) largely because many of the others whilst large in number are of horrible quality.

KS-01 today has the Kansas Ted Cruz, so that talent pool has dried up. KS -02 has Lynn "Great White Knight" Jenkins and she would likely struggle in a primary against a Huelskamp. KS-03 has a dude that is good at winning but likes to strip and go swimming where he shouldn't. And KS-04 has Mike Pompeo, who of the choices is the least bad and that says a lot considering his issues. Todd Tiahrt is through at this point and he is too close to big oil for my tastes.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alfred's Hastily Constructed Cardboard Polling Box: Mideast "Hate Bill" on: September 28, 2014, 04:35:26 pm
I think it is poorly crafted, considering I don't think law recognizes marriage of any kind in Atlasia, though I may be misstating that.

But just like last year on the abortion bill, which I also thought poorly crafted and executed, I must state again that it is necessary for regional elections to matter and that includes the ability for regional officer holders to fail and to do stuff controversial to drive elections. Like shua said, part of the reason why only these such bills are taking up that roll, is because they have no areas of complete responsibility save for their budget, and even there, they are often doubling up federal spending areas.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Police Militarization and Civil Rights Act (Debating) on: September 28, 2014, 04:20:18 pm
Yes I see your point, what would you suggest Senator bore to resolve the problem?

23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: August 2014 Napa Valley Earthquake Relief for the Pacific Act (Debating) on: September 28, 2014, 04:17:47 pm
Okay I see what you mean now.

Are we still waiting on Simfan or has those details been resolved as well?
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Solving Long Term Unemployment Act (Debating) on: September 28, 2014, 04:15:46 pm
Definitely more specific, as to what is in demand, how that is determined and thus what degrees/certifications are covered by this and what are not.

Keep in mind that we consider the labor situation in each field and how much of an influx can be sustained before a problem of too many workers in that field is created.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Ending Financial Havens for Islamic State (Debating) on: September 28, 2014, 04:10:21 pm
Remember to get TNF's approval before splitting his amendment in two, VP Tyrion. The date of his approval, becomes the date for the new amendment containing all the friendly parts, whilst the old one (thus to get around the minimum floor time since 24 hours is usually expired from the originally offering by this point) goes to a vote immediately or rather soon.
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