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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Trillionth Federalist Party HQ - For the Constitution and the Free Market!!! on: Today at 04:04:57 am
I am hereby making the following appointments.


I appoint Encke to the position of Party Secretary, and I hereby appoint fhtagn as Outreach Coordinator and Interim Chairman of the Federalist Main Street Partnership.

I am stepping down from serving as interim Chair of the FMSP.


2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2017 Federalist Convention (New Declaration Period for Leadership) on: Today at 03:47:56 am
This will only be for 16 hours.

I hereby once again declare for chairman of the Federalist Party of Atlasia.


3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2017 Federalist Convention (Leadership and Convention City Elections) on: Today at 03:24:40 am
I am hereby making the following appointments.


I appoint Encke to the position of Party Secretary, and I hereby appoint fhtagn as Outreach Coordinator and Interim Chairman of the Federalist Main Street Partnership.

I am stepping down from serving as interim Chair of the FMSP.

4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2017 Federalist Convention (Leadership and Convention City Elections) on: Today at 03:02:41 am
It is with deep regret that I am forced to cancel the present leadership vote.


5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of Federal Elections on: Today at 01:46:56 am
I think the quota is wrong


Floor (Valid Votes Cast/[Seats+1])+1


I had 119 votes cast validly in the House election. Does anyone else have that number?


119/10 (Seats+1) is 11.9

floor function rounds down according to PiT back in April.

That means 11+1 equal 12.

If I am wrong on the number of votes and it was 120 or higher, the quota is 13 instead of 12.

I don't see where 14 was obtained, unless they used a different formula or have a different interpretation of the formula from PiT.

6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad For Governor! on: June 26, 2017, 07:37:49 am
I am delighted to be able to endorse you for Governor, Leinad! Cheesy Smiley
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FMSP Petition: Sign and Urge Your Senators to Support Glass-Steagall on: June 26, 2017, 07:31:29 am
This was a mistake.

I would be interested in hearing your concerns.


Frankly though, my opinion is that in the process of "Freeing the market" we have in effect allowed natural market forces to eliminate the very thing that makes the market so appealing (choice and competition) in favor of monopolistic dominance by established wealth, which over time begins to degrade capitalism, into corporate welfare and eventually, oligarchy. There are cases where regulations have fueled this via regulatory capture, but at the same time there are instances where the complete absence of regulation has had a negative impact in terms of allowing anti-competition action on the part of actors whose sole goal is to concentrate wealth and power, not preserve either capitalism or free market.

Letting said power brokers maintain their corporate stranglehold on the "Free Market (which exists in name only in some cases), is the surest path to socialism and statist solutions, far worse that the simple text (effecting a simple outcome) that has been signed into law here.

I understand if you disagree on these points, it is after all a rather substantial shift from "recent conservative" orthodoxy. Though is in line with a lot of the state rhetorical goals about choice, competition and making sure that the free market is not distorted by poor decisions of a single firm that controls such a large proportion of the financial sector, that is collapse has ripple effects through out the whole economy.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Renewable Energy Rebate and Subsidy Act (Debating) on: June 26, 2017, 07:21:15 am
May I testify before the House on this legislation?

All members of the public are welcome to participate in discussions on the floor.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Renewable Energy Rebate and Subsidy Act (Debating) on: June 26, 2017, 05:02:26 am
Wouldn't the costs differ in other countries beyond currency conversion?
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Baby Box Act (Debating) on: June 26, 2017, 05:01:30 am
Clyde is now sponsor of this bill.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Atlasian Aid Protection Act (Debating) on: June 26, 2017, 05:00:40 am
Clyde is now sponsor.


12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The Currency of Atlasia Act (Debating) on: June 26, 2017, 05:00:12 am
This also needs a new sponsor.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Forest Revitalization and Preservation Act (Debating) on: June 26, 2017, 03:38:26 am
So now I need, another new sponsor.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: A House Majority for the People! on: June 26, 2017, 03:00:45 am
Looks like our slate won 55% of the popular vote.


Congrats to fhtagn, Leinad, Pessimistic Antineutrino and CMB222. Congrats also to Peebs, Alpha, Smith and I guess Novella? Not sure how that is going to work out now. I also want to express my deep sadness over the departure of Representative OneJ, he was one of the most active members of the chamber and he will be solely missed.

I do want to thank the Atlasian people for their strong support not only for myself but also this strong ticket. I expect great things in the house to come over next two months. From healthcare, to the budget to the Foreign Police Review, there is much work to be done and I encourage all members returning or departing to contribute their utmost in next term or in the rather long two weeks before the 7th Congress takes its seats. Our job, is to serve the people as there representatives, and that will be me once again my priority, to preserve the functionality of the Congress, but going further we need to push for engagement, policy development, interaction between the branches of gov't and especially a responsiveness of the Congress to actions of the cabinet on policy issues, areas of concern and requests relative to reports of the Game Moderator.

Just saying the word 7th Congress takes me aback. It seems like only yesterday the Fourth Constitution was passed and we have now had 7 Congresses elected.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Rep. OneJ_'s Office: House Re-election Speech on: June 26, 2017, 02:51:27 am
The goes one of the top 3 most active members of the House.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2017 Federalist Convention (Leadership and Convention City Election) on: June 26, 2017, 02:47:30 am
Well now, since I know you are all heart broken about the election being over. LETS HAVE ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

Official Ballot:
 
Co-Chair:
[  ] NC Yankee

Co-Chair:
[  ] Dfwliberylover

Vice Chair:
[  ] Leinad

Convention City (rank preferentially)
[  ] Portland, Maine
[  ] Boston, MA
[  ] New York City, NY
[  ] Chicago, ILL
[  ] Detroit, MI
[  ] Philadelphia, PA
[  ] Rochester, NY
[  ] Providence, RI
[  ] Atlantic City, NJ
[  ] Scranton, PA
[  ] Peabody, MA
[  ] Jacksonville, FL

This election will run for 72 hours.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FMSP Petition: Sign and Urge Your Senators to Support Glass-Steagall on: June 26, 2017, 02:42:20 am
Congrats to all the signers of this petition. Because of your engagement, your voices were heard and the gov't responded. The 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act was signed into law yesterday, by President Dfwlibertylover.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: June 26, 2017, 02:31:12 am
RIP my favorite new Laborite!

https://youtu.be/SSR6ZzjDZ94?t=82
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: President dfwlibertylover/ Vice President Goldwater for Re-election! (Victory) on: June 26, 2017, 01:30:18 am
So many records smashed and by someone who has only been here a year and 5 days.


Congrats, man! Cheesy Smiley
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: June 2017 Federal Election on: June 26, 2017, 12:00:31 am

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF ATLASIA


[ 2 ] Bacon King/Ben Kenobi
Harambe Freedom Party/Atlas Conservative Party



[ 3 ] Clyde1998/Siren
Labor Party/Independent



[ 1 ] dfwlibertylover/Goldwater
Federalist Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above



HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS



[ 7 ] Alpha of Minnesota
Labor Party



[ 5 ] CMB222 of Kansas
Atlas Conservative Party



[ 6 ] cxs018 of Massachusetts
Labor Party



[ 11 ] Dr_Novella of California
Labor Party



[ 4 ] fhtagn of North Carolina
Federalist Party



[ 3 ] Leinad of Georgia
Federalist Party



[ 2 ] North Carolina Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party



[ 9 ] OneJ_ of Mississippi
Labor Party



[ 8 ] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party



[ 1 ] Pessimistic Antineutrino of New Jersey
Federalist Party



[ 10 ] Poirot of New York
Independent



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June Election Tracker on: June 25, 2017, 10:44:59 pm
We even have a purple color! Wink

Only Con (Blue) and Lib (Orange) are flipped color wise compared to the Feds (Orangered) and Liberals (Blue)

Labor gets to be red most of the time anyway.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June Election Tracker on: June 25, 2017, 10:38:26 pm
Tories 44.6%
Lab 37.5%
UKIP 11.6%
Lib  7.3%


Too bad Poirot switched back to Indy, but this looks rather British for People's House. Tongue
23  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Places/Times where Median Democrat was to the Right of Median Republican on: June 25, 2017, 08:58:36 pm
I think some of you are giving a bit too much "credit" to Southern Republicans.

There are only two instances I can think of in which Republicans in the South were "to the left of" the Democrats in any meaningful way:

(1) The Radical Republicans who held power in some states during the early years of Reconstruction.

(2) The North Carolina GOP's electoral alliance with the Populist Party in the 1890s, in which the two opposed a Democratic Party dominated by banking, lumber and tobacco interests.

Once Reconstruction ended, Republicans there largely stopped caring about freedmen's rights or being political advocates for non-whites. They concerned themselves mainly with getting patronage from Republican presidents and with maintaining power in regions where they did well, like Eastern Tennessee. In Texas, you had "Lily White Republicans" who basically wanted to parrot the Democrats and support Jim Crow laws in order to win over white voters, whereas the smaller faction of "Black and Tan Republicans" wanted to include blacks in the party.

The laying of the foundation for the modern GOP in the South began during the 1940s because the business interests that had always made up the conservative wing of the Democratic Party in the South were beginning to feel like the party wasn't sufficiently accommodating to them anymore. They didn't like the New Deal; oil and gas producing states didn't like price controls or federal claims on offshore fields. Eisenhower's strong campaigns in 1952 and 1956 helped make inroads and things finally began to take off in the late 1960s, with the backlash against civil rights and Nixon's election and reelection.

This is correct.
24  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Places/Times where Median Democrat was to the Right of Median Republican on: June 25, 2017, 10:25:56 am
Lol

Do you seriously believe there was never a time where the Republicans of a region were further to the left than the Democrats?  Certainly the GOP in the South during the late 1800's, which often tried fusing with the Populists on a statewide level, was more liberal/leftist than the Bourbon Democrats at the time.  



Really depends. Pre New-Deal much of US politics was local/cultural rather then ideological.

For example, in NYC you had LaGuardia, Vito MarcAntonio, Jacob Javits, among others as Republicans. Hell, the Democrats even red-baited LaGuardia during the 1930s. Reason for this? Italians were excluded often from heavily Democratic machines, so in NYC the Republican coalition was often a weird combo of Middle-Class WASP Republicans, Italians, Anti-Corruption Liberals (under LaGuardia often included Jews), and even some times Leftists (the American Labor Party endorsed Thomas Deweys first run for Manhattan DA!). In North Dakota, you had the likes of William Langer and Gerald "Merchant of Death" Nye who were hardly Conservative (Nye attacked FDR as being TO Conservative).

Though, overall it does depend on region. In the South, the Democrats were the sole party and generally Dixecrats were quite Conservative (post on this coming up). In Massachusetts for example, Democrats were to the left of the Republicans.

Overall, I disagree with the generic assumption however that GOP was more liberal then the Democrats. The Democrats have always been the party of immigrants (even well being the party of Southern aristocrats and the confederacy "Party of Rome and Rebellion")  and Democrats tended on average to be more pro-Labor then Republicans (see Henry George and William Bryan) but still there was no massive left-right divide between the parties pre-New Deal. Generally think of it as (simplifying).

Democrats = Working Class Immigrants (Irish) + Catholics and White Southerners
Republicans =  New England, Big Business interests, and reform minded middle class (think TR backers)

As for the South, pretty insane to say that Democrats there were left wingers. You had types like Ellison D. Smith who were extremely anti-New Deal and Herman Talamadge. In fact, Southern governments were extremely hostile to Labor unions and other progressive measures (though, many did favor initial elements of the new deal do to well the depression hitting the South the hardest however the vast majority turned against the New Deal: see Conservative Coalition). I mean besides Huey Long and a handful of politicians in Alabama, the South was extremely Conservative on both fronts. When the Democrats sought to be the party in full defense of segregation, you began to see a flip in the South with Eisenhower carrying many states and making inroads in several deep south states deemed before to be impossible. Even post 1964, the Democrats elected from the South tend (check ADA ratings) to be quite Conservative.

Reading Rick Perlsteins book on George Wallace (have this and many others) Wallace himself states "at least we can prevent that damn communist ***** lover Humphrey from winning" and then the rest of the page goes on to Nixons thoughts which were he'd pick up large numbers of voters sympathetic to Wallace simply due to him being the main opposition to the liberal Humphrey (and, that was someone the South did want). So, I have no clue were this "the South was a liberal populist baston" talk is coming from. Because it voted Democrat? Party labels mean generally nothing related to ideology.

When you reach a certain point, the definition of the ideologies has to be altered to reflect the context of the times.

For instance there was a marked shift in "liberalism" in the late 19th century and early 20th century. This is demonstrated by looking at the Liberal Party in the UK during the period, which had a similar demographic makeup and went through a similar transition at about the same time as the Democrats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK)#The_rise_of_New_Liberalism

Quote
Contrasting Old Liberalism with New Liberalism, David Lloyd George noted in a 1908 speech that the old Liberals:

used the natural discontent of the people with the poverty and precariousness of the means of subsistence as a motive power to win for them a better, more influential, and more honourable status in the citizenship of their native land. The new Liberalism, while pursuing this great political ideal with unflinching energy, devotes a part of its endeavour also to the removing of the immediate causes of discontent. It is true that man cannot live by bread alone. It is equally true that a man cannot live without bread

The Democrats like the Liberals, advocated for smaller gov't, religious minorities, immigrants, free trade and entrepreneurship for much of the 19th century. Beginning around the same time as Willian Jennings Bryan in the US, the UK Liberal Party began to embrace government solutions to problems of poverty. This populist/egalitarian source, laid the foundations for the Progressivism of the modern Democratic Party. The same source that motivate the Liberals to pass "the people's budget" and later fueled the rise of the Labor Party once the Liberals split and declined during WW1.

Republican progressivism is rooted not egalitarianism but the reformist mindset of middle class reformers who were inspired to such by Protestant religious moralism, which was in turn a big factor in the GOP's DNA from its inception until today. Granted the religious makeups differ somewhat, it was the case in the US that Protestant Moralists were the overbearing establishment force akin to the Anglican Church in England. Protestant moralists wanted to abolish private schooling and religious schools so that Catholics would be force taught the King James Bible. The ultimate objective was to preserve the protestant idea society from all ills that threatened it and therefore this is fundamentally a traditionalist conservative as opposed egalitarian/liberal motivation. Granted others joined in the movements who were not motivated by religion.

Another thing to consider is that the Republicans of the 19th century had heavy influences from German sources. The Republican support infrastructure and tariffs was much in the line of other "nationalist economic" movements of the time, including of course the German right, led by Bismarck, as well as the UK Conservative Party which also was protectionist and favored established economic interests. Bismarck, whose objective was to preserve the power of the ruling elites and institutions (Kaiser and the Junker nobility), even went so far as to embrace and pass socialist items (healthcare) in the name of stability. Reforming for the sake of preserving stability and reforming in manner that doesn't itself erode said stability, is also inherently Burkean, which, only 70 years to 90 years after Burke's Reflections on the French Revolution, would have been about as current as Hayek in terms of its influence on the right.

When looking at politics in the lens of history it is always important to note who is advocating for something, and why. While class based approach is often disregarded because of its association with Marxist thought, it can often provide a missing element and angle to understanding a historical context.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Delaware Professor says Otto Warmbier "got what he deserved" in N. Korea on: June 25, 2017, 08:45:23 am
Again I ask: aren't nations entitled to defend themselves from foreign saboteurs? This is the age of nationalism, after all.

There is a difference between fining someone 100 dollars for vandalism and putting them in jail for decades and denying him medical care only to release him when he is basically dead for tearing down the poster propagandizing a thuggish, criminal regime with no legitimate claim to sovereignty beyond the iron boot of the Soviets and Red Chinese sixty years ago.

There is a reason that they treated him like that. It is not because they are a sovereign state guarding against foreigners vandalizing something, it is because they are a totalitarian regime that exists only at the point of a gun and indoctrination. Rejecting the propaganda is like committing treason, of the same level as throwing a bomb or firing a gun.
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