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1  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Kaiser Willhelm II on: Today at 05:15:56 am
3. No Fascism - Yea, France and Russia just gonna happily accept German domination. Their weak gov'ts would fall and the chaos would lead to militant dictators in both countries.

I guess if your standard is "No Hitler", then fine. But that is pretty weak and doesn't even imply avoidance of the devastation caused by him and the war, its just about avoiding him. Which makes little sense. Today, there would be some evil dictator reviled throughout the world for mass mudering, we would never have known Hitler, but we would know this guy instead.

That's a perfectly reasonable standard, because any French fascist regime would be much better than Hitler, much like how Mussolini was much better than Hitler. Mussolini didn't want to kill millions. Thousands, yeah. But not millions.

You forgot the other country I mentioned repeatedly. One that has long history of blood thirsty tyrants rising to power and killing vast numbers of their own people, Russia. Lets just for arguments sake, say Reactionary Russia, engages in its own holocaust. Assuming that were the case, would still stand by the claim that Germany winning was a better outcome.

Hitler did not rise to power because the Allies defeated Germany in World War I. IT happened because of the economic collapse and the failure of the Weirmar Republic to handle the crisis. It is true he played off of the revanchism just as much as the anti-semitism. But the opening was caused by the Depression.

Pinning for German victory in World War I to avoid WWII is like pining for British victory in the Revolution to avoid the Civil War. Victory by Germany would mean the world is dominated by authoritarians, because Democracy would have failed in France and Russia and Germany while possessing some elements was not a democracy under the Kaiser.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: NC-Civitas: McCrory +5 /+7 with leaners on: Today at 04:45:42 am
Does anyone care to explain this? Because I sure as hell can't.

Civitas polls are either fakes or rigged.

 
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April Cabinet Approval Ratings on: Today at 12:21:43 am
This poll is for all registered voters and will last for five days.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April Regional Executive Approval Ratings on: May 27, 2016, 11:46:40 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will last for five days


Last poll for Governor Leinad and Blair.

And next poll will be the last Five Region Governor Poll

You might say "Five Regions last rodeo before reapportionment."
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April At-Large Approval Ratings on: May 27, 2016, 11:39:36 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will run for five days.


Last poll on the Senators Cris and myself.

Next poll will be the last At-Large Senator Approval Poll, EVER!!! Enjoy it, while it lasts.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April Regional Senator Approval Ratings on: May 27, 2016, 11:35:59 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will last for five days.

I decided since Pikachu resigned in the last week to include him for April and pick up with Blair starting with May's poll.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April Senate Approval Ratings on: May 27, 2016, 11:24:49 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will run for five days.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: April Presidential Approval Rating on: May 27, 2016, 11:23:32 pm
This is for five days and all registered voters.

I need to force myself to do these on time, because it is just so easy to put it off on days I work and then get distracted by other matters on days I don't.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: May 27, 2016, 09:43:45 pm
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Federalist
Virginia

Welcome to the Game, The Party and the Region! Smiley
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: May 27, 2016, 08:16:32 pm
libertpaulian
Federalist
Indiana


Heisenberg
Federalist
New Mexico

Welcome to the game and to the Party! Smiley
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas posters in 1917 on: May 27, 2016, 07:36:24 pm
I'm Polish, take a wild guess.

You'd probably be in a Siberian prison for trying to kill the Tsar with a bomb.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which nation do/would you play as in Civilization V? on: May 27, 2016, 07:16:52 pm
Civ III is my favorite, followed by Civ IV. Civ IV has the best game intro ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLYa6kSDrU


The first scenario I ever played with Civ III was The Roman Empire way back in 2004. But I have played Russia the most, followed by America. Same goes for Civ IV. THe first time I played as Russia in late 2004/early 2005 was the only time I managed to successfully complete the spaceship in Civ III.


Of this list, I would include those as well as the Byzantines. One of my favorite scenarios in the EU series.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: May 27, 2016, 07:02:00 pm
Quote from: Eternal Senator North Carolina Yankee
Plus what about in 10 years when GA, NC, FL, MS and AZ are unwinnable for the Republicans and Texas is becoming a swing state. Republicans need to break into the Northern states, especially the smaller ones and rebuild in upstate New York at the very least.

I agree that they need to break into existing Democratic states but New York? The state is pretty much a 60% Democratic state now. The younger generation in NY is extremely Democratic. The 18-29 cohort has been voting 72%+ Democratic in presidential elections since at least 2004, and results from other age groups suggest they have only modestly switched as time went on. There is no way Republicans can rebuild in New York in any short amount of time. Any effort would be a generational effort - Like a long-term 20+ year plan, and that assumes they can shape the party into something that is acceptable to New York voters.

Really the only acceptable targets I see for future GOP prospects are Pennsylvania and Great Lakes states, minus Illinois, and to be honest, they are losing electoral votes steadily. By the time they manage to break those states away from Democrats, they might not be worth as much as they originally thought. Pennsylvania's youth vote has been steady Democratic for decades now and it's starting to trickle up into the other age brackets, so this may be contrary to popular belief here, but I think PA's long-term trend is most definitely not positive for Republicans.

Yes, it is definitely a 20+ year process. But you have to start somewhere and Republicans need those upstate House seats now. 

14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: May 27, 2016, 07:00:09 pm
Ok, it's official now folks. Donald Trump is a secret Democratic agent. It's official. No serious and legitimate Republican nominee would spend time and money in NY and CA. This is all just a huge scheme with the intent of destroying my party.

The last serious Republican Presidents all did. Tongue Just sayin! Tongue
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: May 27, 2016, 05:47:08 pm
I, North Carolina Yankee, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of Southern Regional Committeeman, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia, so help me God.

16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southern Regional Committee on: May 27, 2016, 05:44:10 pm
I am likewise excited to work with the members and look forward to establishing a solid governing system for the Southern Region.

I second Leinad's nomination for Chairperson of the Committee.


Finally, what is meant by "secure"?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: May 27, 2016, 05:14:54 pm
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If he gets 42%-45% in New York, it means he has won all the marginal and potentially Republican CDs, which would help secure the open seats and pick up NY-03.

Yeah, sure. He loses New York by 4 and loses GA, MO, and NC. It's a terrible strategy. You want to spend where your marginal dollars make the most sense. This would be areas like GA.

He won't get within 4. He'll lose by 15 at least. Trump will win MO, and likely GA and NC as well based on demographics.

It doesn't cost much to hold rallies and those upstate markets aren't as expensive. Plus some of those upstate markets overlap into Northern PA.

Plus what about in 10 years when GA, NC, FL, MS and AZ are unwinnable for the Republicans and Texas is becoming a swing state. Republicans need to break into the Northern states, especially the smaller ones and rebuild in upstate New York at the very least.
18  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: My Idea for electing Supreme Court justices on: May 27, 2016, 05:06:24 pm
You lost me at the word "electing". Tongue
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Campaign Planning Swing State Level Effort in NY, Possibly in CA as Well on: May 27, 2016, 05:03:49 pm
This is not quite so dumb actually.

If he gets 42%-45% in New York, it means he has won all the marginal and potentially Republican CDs, which would help secure the open seats and pick up NY-03.

And if he has a couple of really good debate performances and suddenly we get 48-43 Clinton leads in NY. She'll have to bomb the place with $20-$30 million to lock it down. In October that is a big diversion of resources from places like OH, FL and PA.
20  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Kaiser Willhelm II on: May 27, 2016, 04:35:20 am
I don't get this pro-German World War I view that the world would have been so much better if they had won. Events don't occur in a vacuum.

If France lost, there is a good chance the Third Republic fell and that would result in the creation of a government dedicated to restoring its former glorly. That could easily be a fascist dictator.

Also, Russia was in an abyss of rioting in 1914. Knowledge of this actually made things worse, because the German diplomats fueled the notion in Berlin that Russia was a paper tiger and could not possibly stand up to the Central Powers. Patriotic fervor temporarily papered over these problems, but a swift defeat by Germany probably plunges the country into revolution. Considering their history, an iron man on a horse is the most likely outcome.
To be fair, fascist France weaker with a monarchist/democratic Germany with a strong military and a communist Russia is not worse than fascist Germany with a democratic France with a weak military and a communist Russia.

It's much better. Hitler was far worse than Mussolini or the austro-fascists.

It's actually difficult to express how awful the Nazis were.

What is the basis for the "We would be so much better with Germany winning World War I".

1. No World War II: Wrong - see previous post.
2. No mass slaughtering by Hitler - A slaughter is a slaughter, does the author really matter?
3. No Fascism - Yea, France and Russia just gonna happily accept German domination. Their weak gov'ts would fall and the chaos would lead to militant dictators in both countries.

I guess if your standard is "No Hitler", then fine. But that is pretty weak and doesn't even imply avoidance of the devastation caused by him and the war, its just about avoiding him. Which makes little sense. Today, there would be some evil dictator reviled throughout the world for mass mudering, we would never have known Hitler, but we would know this guy instead.
21  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Kaiser Willhelm II on: May 27, 2016, 04:28:44 am
I don't get this pro-German World War I view that the world would have been so much better if they had won. Events don't occur in a vacuum.

If France lost, there is a good chance the Third Republic fell and that would result in the creation of a government dedicated to restoring its former glorly. That could easily be a fascist dictator.

Also, Russia was in an abyss of rioting in 1914. Knowledge of this actually made things worse, because the German diplomats fueled the notion in Berlin that Russia was a paper tiger and could not possibly stand up to the Central Powers. Patriotic fervor temporarily papered over these problems, but a swift defeat by Germany probably plunges the country into revolution. Considering their history, an iron man on a horse is the most likely outcome.
To be fair, fascist France weaker with a monarchist/democratic Germany with a strong military and a communist Russia is not worse than fascist Germany with a democratic France with a weak military and a communist Russia.

Who said anything about a communist Russia. I said iron man on a horse. As in a proto-fascist military dictatorship that rose to power by bathing the country in blood.

Remember Communist Russia was a fluke produced by the fact that the war had continued and the Bolsheviks were the only group that was both organized and anti-war. Once in power in Moscow and Petrograd, the central nature of their controlled areas, superior organization and quite frankly, ruthless leadership allowed Communist Russia to emerge from the ensuing Civil War. They also channeled Russian nationalism in response to the foreign interventions.

Without the war, a Russian Revolution probably produces a weak gov't followed by a military dictator as the more likely course. It might even be in the form of Tsarist hard liners seeking a counter-revolution.

Tsarist Russia had a long history of persecuting Jews. Depending on the dictators in of
France and Russia especially, mass extermination of people is highly likely and a Russian holocaust is plausible in that scenario.

There was no way for anybody to win WW1 without the other side feeling cheated. Russia felt cheated out of its land because it surrended so much to get peace and then when Germany lost, it got nothing. The Reds blamed the West of course for that. Germany likewise. Revanchist sentiment, anti-semmitism, ruthless right-wing dictatorship. Stalin easily exceeded Hitler in the body count department as it was, I think the same is possible in Russia.

And another thing. a better led and equiped Russian Army could not be defeated by Germany. As it was Russia held up remarkly well when under competent commanders in the first year of World War I. The disasters at Tannenburg were the result of incompetence leadership and rushing into battle head of schedule to relieve the Frence at Marne. German planning even accounted for the fact that Russia would be unbeatable by 1917 as the country had been aggressively industralizing in the early 1900's and more importantly, building up its railway network.

And that gets me to another point, better management of the railway network would have prevented the extreme food and fuel shortages in Petrograd that sparked the rioting that would turn into a full Revolution in February 1917.

Russia under the leadership of such an iron man on a horse, would likely steamroll Germany.
22  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why doesn't the GOP ditch the religious right and culture warriors? on: May 27, 2016, 01:32:19 am
40% of Romney's votes came from Evangelicals.

Don't don't crap in the face of almost half your voters to win an extra five at the margins.

The problem is not the abortion issue. The problem is the extent and the delivery. Even Ann Coulter said after 2012 that Todd Akin took it so far as to represent puracy with lunacy.

If Angle had been pro-choice she still would have lost to Reid, because Angle is fing nuts. It has nothing to do with social conservatism. If a candidate is low quality like someone like Angle or O'Donnell who never got the time of the day before or after, but somehow managed to grab the Tea Party and ride it to the forefront only to cost the GOP dearly in 2010

Todd Akin on the other hand was a product of the Mike Huckabee wing of the Party, who thinks that just shoving ones fervor in the face of seculars is going to make them get on the knews begging for salvation. It doesn't work like that, the reaction is hostility and victory for the Democrats.

There is a difference between being a Reaganite social conservative and an in your face religious zealot, which is how Ted Cruz came off as. Reagan could win a landslide, Cruz cannot win outside the bible belt.
23  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why doesn't the GOP ditch the religious right and culture warriors? on: May 27, 2016, 01:25:40 am
Because it has been very, very profitable to pay lip service to them.

Because they enjoy winning elections.

I would argue that the religious right and culture warriors have helped the GOP lose elections they were supposed to win.

At times, yes, that is true when you point to examples like Todd Akin, etc, but the bottom line is there really aren't enough people in this country to solely support a party devoted to pro-big business policies; you have to throw in some piety or nativism or guns or something else to build a sufficiently large enough winning coalition. 

GWB certainly doesn't win in 2004 without his blatant pandering to the religious right.

Now, the GOP might in the not-so-distant future find it expedient to ditch the culture warriors because... they are all old and dying and being replaced by a demographic cohort that doesn't give a damn if you are gay or transgender or latino, etc.

You see this with the rapid change in the Republican party on gay marriage and also the strong pressure to moderate on immigration, both trends for the sake of political expediency.

Although not that long ago, 2004 America =/= 2016 America. McCaskil was vulnerable. Harry Reid was unpopular. Former Governor Pat Quinn lost to Rauner and barely won in 2010. Who did Quinn beat in 2010? State Senator Bill Brady, who was about as far to the right on social issues as you could get. I have little doubt Quinn won then because of how crazy Brady was. I don't like Rauner, but at least he's none of this social issues nonsense that many Republicans are obsessed about.

Pandering to the religious right and also being part of it can be lipstick on a pig. I don't want to hear about your family values if you're impregnating mistresses.

There are a dozen Republicans in Missouri who are strong pro-lifers that would have defeated McCaskil easily. Going too far on the abortion issue in the form of a gaffe, shouldn't lead one to conclude that all social issues must be dropped to win MO. MO is a socially conservative state, just look how it has gotten more Republican as the GOP became more defined by such issues over the 2000s.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: May 2016 Regional Committee Elections on: May 26, 2016, 03:46:34 am

SOUTHERN REGIONAL COMMITTEE - FIVE SEATS


[ 5 ] Adam Griffin of Georgia
Labor Party



[ 4 ] Classic Conservative of Texas
Federalist Party



[ 3 ] Leinad of Georgia
Federalist Party



[ 7 ] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party



[ 1 ] North Carolina Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party



[ 6 ] Southern Gothic of Louisiana
Labor Party



[ 2 ] tmthforu94 of Kansas
Federalist Party



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25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: GOP Sets Out to Prevent Another Donald Trump in 2020 on: May 26, 2016, 01:44:44 am
These guys are just as stupid, and cowardly as they have always been. They are scared of Trump so they run like sheep to the nearest cliff. Genius, fing genius.


Just like they got spooked by the Tea Party, which is what saved them from 30 years in the god damn wildness that they fully earned with Bush, and ran head long like sheep back to the same fing people who destroy the Party in 2006 and 2008, to lead the Party in 2014 and initially in 2016. And you wonder why we have Trump today. Roll Eyes

The problem is they keep trying to ram the same boilerplate down voter's throats, and cannot for the life of themselves understand that is not what people want. You cannot just keep offering the same thing over and over again until people finally vote for it. That is the path not to Whig style destruction, it is the path to Federalist Style destruction. Of being so out of touch with the vast majority of people that they cease to exist as a viable contender.

THE WORLD HAS CHANGED!!! The Bush era GOP is dead, deal with it!!!

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