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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (LEADERSHIP DECLARATIONS!) on: August 27, 2014, 08:36:10 am
Vancouver is not in Atlasia?!

Also I would be honoured to have the conference come to our region. I would speak, if you would let me.

RPP once tried to do Havana.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (LEADERSHIP DECLARATIONS!) on: August 27, 2014, 08:35:32 am
If Riley still wants the ME, its his, if not is anyone else interested?

I'm interested if Riley doesn't want it.

Since he moved, sure. Its yours officially as of now. Smiley
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August Senate Election. Tracker/Discussion Thread. ELECTION TRACKER-BICAMERALISM on: August 27, 2014, 08:34:36 am
Nice job on that historical obstructionism IDS, oh wait... Tongue
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Office of Acting IDS Emperor Dereich on: August 26, 2014, 04:35:21 pm
From what I here it was some nonsense in the Forum Community Board. I say its time has come, they have taken away our Emperor, the IDS should declare war on that vile nest of filth.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Demonstrations Act of 2014 (Debating) on: August 26, 2014, 04:32:58 pm
Who gets to determine what falls into one of those categories? Yea, I agree with Spiral and Alfred
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: War Powers Amendment (Amendment at vote) on: August 26, 2014, 04:30:26 pm
Aye Guess

Like was said 10 days just isn't practical for the game's limitations.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Repeal of the War Powers Resolution Act (Debating) on: August 26, 2014, 04:29:01 pm
AYE
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (LEADERSHIP DECLARATIONS!) on: August 26, 2014, 04:19:47 pm
I nominate Philadelphia, PA and Jacksonville, FL.


9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate Protest and Analysis Thread on: August 25, 2014, 05:02:12 pm
I just remembered something that both mine and Nix forgot to include. Senate Succession of seats and votes. Failure to do vote displacement would violate the constitutional allotment of seats. Imagine if the votes were counted from ME Senator, his successor takes officer and his vote is likewise counted. You have 11 votes.

As for at-large seats it is governed by one of the Proportional Represenation Acts.

1: shua-spiral-Deus
2. Lumine
3. Alfred-Polnut
4. Goldwater-JCL
5. Dr. Cynic

10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Robin Williams Memorial Suicide Copy-cat Prevention Act (Debating) on: August 25, 2014, 04:52:50 pm
What statutes exists for this, if anything? Assuming that the slate is blank, these are sensible measures and I'll support the bill.

I wrote this from my house so I couldn't check to see if we had previously passed anything but as far as I can remember we did not. It was in the Comprehensive Mental Health Bill last year in a slightly less detailed form for length reasons obviously. This also reflects some more recent information that I have obtained courtesy of the coverage following the loss of the actor two weeks ago now.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Demonstrations Act of 2014 (Debating) on: August 25, 2014, 04:49:32 pm
I too have concerns about trying to entirely regulate this and then try to enforce such subsequently.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Clean Energy Act of 2014 (Debating) on: August 25, 2014, 04:47:41 pm
He does have a point, as the slack would be picked up by the Saudis, Nigeria and Russia.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: IDS August 2014 Special Election on: August 25, 2014, 04:35:33 pm


Emperor:
Write-in: [1]__Hagrid if he is running_________
Write-in: [2]__Maxwell if he is running_________
Write-in: [3]__Flo if he is running_________
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of JCL on: August 25, 2014, 04:30:07 pm
This Senate is going to be the best in years and it will be a miracle if I even get to see the first week.

Anyway, congratulations. SPC tried nine times before he finally made it. I knew you would eventually too. Smiley
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 24, 2014, 04:30:01 pm
The bill didn't get the attention it deserved because nobody weighed in on it, and the hand-wringing only began once everybody who lacked involvement decided to care. The nationalization of energy has been in our platform for an entire year - maybe longer? Again, it's up to people if they want to read - this wasn't some surprising development. The broader issue itself isn't something that is vociferously opposed as some here would like to think - the specific legislation is bad legislation, which is why it will be completely restructured to reflect that, and most anyone left of center will ultimately wind up supporting it because that's where the actual ideological balance of the game is.
I did. You have a point in that it's pretty ridiculous that none of the Federalist Senators said anything throughout most of the entire debate (and then complained about how reluctant they were to vote against socialism),

That is patently false. I said what I wanted last February, last June in campaigns, in the previous omnibus nationalization thread and even at the beginning of this debate in question if I recall correctly. I wanted a competitive model with non-profits competing against the monopolies that present exist, something I would think most libertarians also agree with. I reluctantly voted nay too recognize that a potential opportunity to advance that option was being lost partially because of the very socialist approach you are decrying and accusing me of supporting. Since when did competition become socialist. You guys loved it when shua and I took a similar approach to healthcare just two months ago.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: IDS Fine Act (Debating) on: August 24, 2014, 04:18:18 pm
Is the concern that the funds going to the state will create a mal-incentive to give more tickets?
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate Protest and Analysis Thread on: August 24, 2014, 04:05:54 pm
You would have to create slots just for amendments and that would add to complexity, not lessen it.

I don't recall anyone criticizing the executive slots. Consider that a while ago MaroDuke was trying to make the VP an actual Senator because omg, President has to have a Senator introduce stuff and it is not like you need six of them to pass it oh wait you do... Tongue

Managing slots is rather tame. Most of the complaints I saw dealt with the scale, but remember because of my problems, reading any such situation might be incorrect. I am still blaming myself and my inability to get on for leading to your resignation to being with. Sad

Lol this computer autocorrected Nix's name to next in the post you quoted.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Peace and Prosperity Act of 2014 (Debating) on: August 24, 2014, 03:56:03 pm
TNF is right.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Robin Williams Memorial Suicide Copy-cat Prevention Act (Debating) on: August 24, 2014, 03:50:16 pm
Reluctantly friendly.

I was considering offering it myself last night but of course I couldn't get on until now. Hopefully it will move the debate behind where it is presently stuck.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of JCL on: August 24, 2014, 03:42:27 pm
I have confidence and faith man. I wish I was able to do more. I hate this, I really hate being hindered like this. Sad
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (LEADERSHIP DECLARATIONS!) on: August 24, 2014, 03:31:37 pm
Remember we need to pass the platform and select a city for October convention. Chances are JCL will be administering most of that because after Tuesday morning, getting online will be difficult for about a week.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: TyriontheImperialist for Vice President (Confirmed) on: August 23, 2014, 04:51:20 pm
Breaking ties was a constant problem during Matt's periods of absence, because as PPT I couldn't stand in for him in such capacity. I could do anything else of his duties, but not that because the Constitution does not name PPT as VP's successor or stand in. The Constitution empowers us to elect officers and the PPT is one of them and can succeed the VP only with regards to performance of those rules.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate Protest and Analysis Thread on: August 23, 2014, 04:46:24 pm
I composed it in word but my neighbor's computer doesn't have word so I had to paste it in to notepad so I am fortunate the spacing isn't worse in spots. Tongue
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate Protest and Analysis Thread on: August 23, 2014, 04:45:22 pm
Quote from: Part III
Article VI: Presidential Nominees

1. The VP shall open a confirmation hearing for presidential nominees immediately following the president's announcement of the nomination.

2. Each hearing shall last for 3 days (i.e. 72 hours). The hearing may be abbreviated according to the unanimous consent rules outlined in Article IV: Rules on Senate Debate. Voting shall take place in the same fashion as votes on legislation would otherwise, according to the rules outlined in Article V.

Article VII: Senate Committees

1. The Senate may convene standing and special Senate Committees as well as to facilitate discussion. No sitting Senator may be excluded from a Senate Committee. The rules for committees shall be defined in the resolution establishing the committee.

Article VIII: Expulsion

1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of another sitting Senator by creating a thread in the Atlas Fantasy Government Board specifically motioning for expulsion of that Senator in one of the following situations:
    i. The Senator has not posted anything on the Atlas Fantasy Government board for 168 consecutive hours and who also does not have a leave of absence (LOA) covering any portion of that consecutive period. A LOA must be posted on the Atlas Fantasy Government board and contain specific dates, the hours of which will not be counted towards the 168 hours mentioned above. The LOA may not extend to the end of the term or last more than 368 hours; the posting of such shall be grounds for potential expulsion.
    ii. The Senate has demonstrative proof that the aforementioned Senator no longer desires to perform the duties vested in him or her by the Atlasian people and the Constitution by which he and his constituents abide.

2. If the motion is seconded by another Senator, the PPT shall commence debate and hear the reasons for the expulsion motion and let the Senator being expelled respond and defend himself. Debate on the expulsion of the Senator shall last for no less than 72 hours. Once 72 hours has expired, a Senator may motion for an extension of 48 hours.

3. After all time has expired; the PPT shall close the debate and open a vote on the expulsion of the senator. The vote shall require, in accordance with Article 1 Section 3 Clause 1 of the Constitution, two thirds of the Senate to vote in the affirmative to expel the Senator. This 72 hour vote may be ended early if enough Senators have voted for it to pass or fail.

4. Following the expulsion of a Senator, the PPT shall inform the Secretary of Federal Elections of the occurrence of a vacancy in the expelled Senatorís seat. The election, appointment, or any other form of selection of someone as Senator whilst still within a term from which that same someone has previously been expelled from the Senate shall not be recognized by the Senate.

Article IX: Overriding the Rules and Disputes

1. The Senate may elect to suspend any section of these rules at any time with the consent of two-thirds of sitting Senators, save for terms of Article III and Article IX

2.  The PPT may unilaterally suspend any section of these rules at any time, with unanimous consent with the exception of Article III, Article IV where not stated in said Article, and Article VIII

3. If the Senate cannot resolve a rules dispute, the Supreme Court may intervene and issue a binding decision dictating the proper interpretation save only where a violation of the Constitution is present.

4. For all Senators, the votes of successors shall displace that of their predecessors in the chamber should a vote overlap with a change in Senate.

25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate Protest and Analysis Thread on: August 23, 2014, 04:44:40 pm
Quote from: Part II
Article IV: Debating and Amending Legislation

Section 1: Floor Debate

1.  Once legislation is on the floor, debate shall begin and last for at least 72 hours, unless that minimum is waived by unanimous consent (UC). UC may be motioned for by any Senator, after which the presiding officer shall then give 24 hours for Senators to object.

2. If debate on the legislation has halted for longer than 24 hours and the 72 hour minimum has elapsed or been waived, any senator may call for a vote on said legislation, which the presiding officer may thus open.

3. After the 72 hour minimum has elapsed, continued debate shall only be ended by a cloture motion passed by 2/3rds of the Senate, the passage of which shall be followed by a final vote opened by the presiding officer.  Cloture may be waived on a piece of legislation through a UC request, in the same method as in Article 4, Section 1, Clause 1. Upon the completion of the objection period, with no objections having been filed, the presiding officer may open a final vote on the legislation.

4. If fourteen (14) days have passed since the opening of the debate on a piece of legislation, and a vote on said legislation has not begun, a cloture motion shall only require a simple majority unless two Senators have previously motioned to continue the 2/3rds requirement.

5. After a piece of legislation is brought to the Senate floor, the original sponsor (the Senator who introduced it) may motion to withdraw the legislation under consideration at any point prior to a final vote or after it has been vetoed, but not if the Senate is presently voting on any Amendments to the legislation or is presently voting on a motion for cloture.

6. Co-sponsors of legislation under consideration shall have the power to neither withdraw legislation nor contest withdrawal of legislation by the original sponsor. Any office-holding Senator may assume sponsorship of the legislation within 72 hours after the original sponsor has motioned to withdraw. Once a motion to assume sponsorship has been filed by a Senator, Senators shall have 48 hours to object to this motion. If any Senator objects, the presiding officer shall open a vote on the motion lasting 72 hours or less if a majority has voted for or against the motion. If the motion is rejected, the bill shall be removed from the floor.

7. Any Senator may file a motion to table a piece of legislation during debate. The presiding officer shall open a vote on the motion to table when at least two other Senators have seconded the motion. Voting shall take place in accordance with the same rules that apply to voting on amendments, except that a two thirds majority of sitting Senators shall be required for approval of the motion to table. Tabled legislation shall be removed from the Senate floor immediately.

Section 2: Rules on Amendment(s)

1. Any sitting Senator may offer amendments to the legislation, during the period of debate. Components of the underlying legislation not referenced in an amendment will remain unchanged. The presiding officer may remove amendments from consideration that are functionally impractical, frivolous, directly unconstitutional, or lack clear intent regarding the changes to be made. The amendment sponsor shall have 24 hours to object to the decision and may overturn the action with the concurrence of 1/3rd of his fellow Senators. The presiding officer shall number and track all amendments offered during the course of each Senate session.

2. The legislation's primary sponsor shall judge the amendment(s) as friendly or hostile to their legislationís intent. If judged friendly by the sponsor, the presiding officer shall give twenty four hours for objections to the amendment. The amendment shall be considered passed if no one objects. 

3. If judged hostile by the sponsor, no feedback has been given, or if a Senator has objected, then a vote shall be started by the presiding officer once the amendment has been on the floor at least twenty four hours. The vote shall last for three days or until a majority has voted in favor or against the amendment, at which point Senators will be prohibited from changing their votes.

Article V: Final Votes, Redrafts and Overrides

1. Votes on legislation shall last for a maximum of 5 days (i.e. 120 hours).

2. When a piece of legislation has enough votes to pass or fail, unless the vote be unanimous in which case it may be closed immediately, the presiding officer shall announce that he or she will close the vote in 24 hours and that any Senator who wishes to change his or her vote must do so during that interval.

3. If a piece of legislation is vetoed by the president, the bill's sponsor may request an override of the veto within 3 days, i.e. 72 hours, of the veto taking place. The presiding officer may extend this period if the bill's sponsor has posted a leave of absence. For the purposes of overriding vetoes, any Senator who abstains from voting shall be counted as a vote against overriding the veto.

4. If the President submits a redraft in accordance with the Constitution, the rules for such shall be as established in the Constitution with the exception that 24 hours of debate shall occur prior to the vote on the redraft.

5. Veto Overrides and Redraft proceedings shall not be conducted in a slot and thus not subjected to any limits on the amount of legislation on the floor.
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