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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: October 2014 Convention (Leadership-WE VOTING HERE TOO) on: Today at 03:21:52 am
NC Yankee, Cassius and Flo have won their respective races.


I will commence the process for nominating cities tomorrow for the February convention.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: Today at 03:18:45 am
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Mideast (16)  10/16 63%
Anton Kreitzer Mideast MD Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx JCL
Cassius Mideast VA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx  JCL
Cathcon Mideast MI Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx 
CELTICEMPIRE Mideast KY Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx
DC al Fine Mideast MD Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx JCL
Inks.LWC Mideast MI Fed 1 xx-xxx-xx
JohanusCalvinusLibertas Mideast IN Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx JCL
MasterJedi Mideast WI Fed 1 xx-xxx-xx
MilesC56 Mideast WV Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx   Cris
MoDerateVAVoter Mideast VA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx JCL
murraybannerman Mideast IN Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx
Oldiesfreak1854 Mideast MI Fed 1 xx-xxx-xx Cris
Reaganfan Mideast OH Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx
RogueBeaver Mideast WI Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris
TJ in Cleve Mideast OH Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx  JCL
tmthforu94 Mideast VA Fed 0 03-Jan-15 JCL

Midwest (5) 4/5 80%
BrandenCordeiro Midwest CO Fed 0 05-Mar-15
Cris Midwest KS Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx JCL
Foucaulf Midwest MN Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris second
Rooney Midwest IA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris
RR1997 Midwest IA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx    Cris

Northeast (4) 2/4  50%
JoMCaR Northeast ME Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx aka Altsomn Jósef Stmarken
NHI Northeast NH Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx
Pessimistic Antineutrino Northeast NJ Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris
SNJ1985 Northeast NJ Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx aka Thomas from NJ JCL

Pacific (7) 4/7 57%
Devin Pacific WA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris
LumineVonReuental Pacific UT Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx JCL
Never Pacific AK Fed 1 xx-xxx-xx
Paleobrazilian Pacific WA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx voting rights 11-Dec-14 Cris
potus2036 Pacific CA Fed 0 19-Feb-15 aka TheRileyKeaton Cris
sbane Pacific CA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx
TheHawk Pacific CA Fed 1 xx-xxx-xx


IDS (10) 4/10  40%
clarence IDS FL Fed 2 xx-xxx-xx
daveosupremo IDS TX Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx 
Dereich IDS SC Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx
Jack Enderman IDS FL Fed 0 28-Mar-15
Maistre IDS SC Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris
North Carolina Yankee IDS NC Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris
Pingvin99 IDS TX Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx 
PiT (The Physicist) IDS LA Fed 0 xx-xxx-xx Cris
Republitarian IDS AR Fed 0 25-Apr-15 aka Goldwater Cris
Scott IDS NC Fed 1 xx-xxx-xx

Total: 42  24/42 62%
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: Today at 03:17:46 am
Your numbers need work Griffin.

I have 62% Federalist Turnout.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sanity in Foreign Policy Act (Voting on Amendment) on: Today at 02:52:54 am
AYE
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) on: Today at 02:43:58 am
Nay I guess


6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Activity Fairness Amendment (Debating) on: Today at 01:26:58 am
Also if you repeal these, then you remove the reform that was passed in 2013 to deal with the activity scandal on the Supreme Court (which was basically all over the fact that they kept me waiting a month before ruling on the Dept Renaming Act Tongue).

Just like with the VP discussions, I will not even begin to discuss the trumpetted alternative reform that was not adopted afterwards. Tongue
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Activity Fairness Amendment (Debating) on: Today at 01:21:52 am
I oppose this amendment.


I would support removing Senators from the activity amendment, because

1) Impeachment is suppose to be a legislative check on the other branches, not itself

and also it is a less effective duplication of

2) Explusion, which is meant to be an activity check on the legislation branch and it has actually been utilized to the tune of about once or twice a year. Has there ever been a successful impeachment in Atlasia?
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Free Exchange Act (Voting) on: Today at 01:17:08 am
Nay I Guess
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Fix the Senate Rules Resolution (Voting on Amendment) on: Today at 01:16:03 am
Nay
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Fix the Senate Rules Resolution (Debating) on: Today at 01:14:17 am
But is there really a need for a slot arrangement? Can't the speaker do his job alone just as good?

I doesn't have to be, so much as there has to be a defined set of obligations and responsbilities.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine on: Today at 01:11:46 am
Impeachement is a serious charge, but it must be considered that it does put the process in motion it does not specify the end result (removal). The process occurring as an automatic trigger and thus creating the potential for removal, is suppose to act as the inducement for the PResident to conform to the standard applied in the text. The President can make a case as to why he should not be impeached and the Senate has the discretion to decline to do so.

I think that when it comes to the fact that the impeachement is not gone through with and seeing that as a disappointment, misses the fact that using impeachment in this instance is a novel occurence and that the end goal is to induce the activity. The mood of the Senators can be hard to predict and thus to avoid the risk of a Senate with seven Windjammers on issue voting for the obvious result, compliance would be the regular approach. That was my understanding when I voted for the amendments that established this process. In every other case, the end goal of impeachement is to punish for an offense that has been committed. One requires impeachment to actually be carried through with, whilst the other does not necessarily do likewise.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: Today at 01:02:24 am
I will say that I am open to any concerns that the President has and if need be would support a redraft.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: Today at 01:01:55 am
Aye FTR
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Youth Employment Act (Passed) on: Today at 12:59:05 am
Reluctant Aye FTR
15  General Discussion / History / Re: The KKK was crucial to building GOP strength in the South on: December 15, 2014, 04:54:29 am
I'd be surprised if you found many posters here with red avatars who would not have been proud Republicans in roughly the 20 years between 1855 and 1875. Any decent person would have been.

While that's true (at least I hope so), the annoying part is when said avatars make the following conclusion: I am a liberal now --> I would have been a Republican then --> the Republican Party was a strictly liberal party then.  Needless to say, this is comically simplistic, but it also ignores things like early Republicans trying restrict voting rights of poor Whites in the North, support for prohibition and sin taxes and clear pro-business tendencies.

An important point. Republicans always represented banking and industrial interests. Regarding prohibition and sin taxes: They were a progressive element in that era (trying to prevent the destruction of family life in working class families and improve living conditions, especially for women and children). Cheap alcohol was a curse in that type of society. Prohibition proved to be a disaster, but it was to a large extent a progressive cause.

Interestingly, though, the fight for the 1924 Democratic nomination was between a "dry" candidate, supported by conservative and reactionary forces, including the KKK (McAdoo), and a "wet" progressive (Smith).

The greater irony is that McAdoo was a Progressive like Wilson was a Progressive. And Al Smith later broke with FDR over the New Deal. The economically progressive wing of the Democratic Party always had a firmer base in the South then the North until the time of FDR.

Indeed. Obviously, McAdoo was in better position to appeal to said party wing in 1924, given his Southern roots and, well, having Smith as opponent.

That is true, but from Bryan to Wilson to McAdoo, the Populist/Progressive wing of the Democratic Party is largely a Southern and Western based movement. THis doesn't change until the one two punch of FDR's appeal to second generation of the wave of immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th century, and the break up of Tammany Hall and similar Irish dominated Democratic machines.

McAdoo's exit from the stage was just as ironic. If I remember correctly, he was defeated in his 1938 Senate primary by Upton Sinclair's ticket mate who then turned around and forged an alliance with big oil and became a Conservative Democrat in the Senate for the next twelve years. His defeat was one of the many primary reversals (one of the few where his guy was the incumbent) for FDR in 1938.

16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Write-In Campaign - Maxwell for Senate! on: December 15, 2014, 04:42:52 am
For some reason that image of Bush when being asked about 2006 and he says, "Its hard to win a write-in campaign".

You have a declared a few days ago. Wink You probably would have won or at lease come close.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: December 15, 2014, 04:40:04 am
I didn't receive a single PM encouraging me to vote for a certain candidate before or even during the election. If that's in any way indicative of how the Federalists and D-Rs managed their GOTV operations this time around these results don't surprise me at all.

As a general rule I have delegated all non-Party members to the candidates in question, particularly those who have departed from the Party and may or may not still have issues with the said Party and may not react well to a party operative acting as a surrogate. Tongue You rest atop this list. Wink

Though it should be noted I have for months asked that all candidates, contact all voters they seek both expected and/or have a reasonable chance at attaining with a personalized pitch, backing up an active and engaging public campaign as well. So far that has been wishful thinking for the most part. Tongue
18  General Discussion / History / Re: The KKK was crucial to building GOP strength in the South on: December 15, 2014, 01:52:34 am
I'd be surprised if you found many posters here with red avatars who would not have been proud Republicans in roughly the 20 years between 1855 and 1875. Any decent person would have been.

While that's true (at least I hope so), the annoying part is when said avatars make the following conclusion: I am a liberal now --> I would have been a Republican then --> the Republican Party was a strictly liberal party then.  Needless to say, this is comically simplistic, but it also ignores things like early Republicans trying restrict voting rights of poor Whites in the North, support for prohibition and sin taxes and clear pro-business tendencies.

An important point. Republicans always represented banking and industrial interests. Regarding prohibition and sin taxes: They were a progressive element in that era (trying to prevent the destruction of family life in working class families and improve living conditions, especially for women and children). Cheap alcohol was a curse in that type of society. Prohibition proved to be a disaster, but it was to a large extent a progressive cause.

Interestingly, though, the fight for the 1924 Democratic nomination was between a "dry" candidate, supported by conservative and reactionary forces, including the KKK (McAdoo), and a "wet" progressive (Smith).

The greater irony is that McAdoo was a Progressive like Wilson was a Progressive. And Al Smith later broke with FDR over the New Deal. The economically progressive wing of the Democratic Party always had a firmer base in the South then the North until the time of FDR.
19  General Discussion / History / Re: The KKK was crucial to building GOP strength in the South on: December 15, 2014, 01:38:54 am
The rhetoric of prohibition was progressive to win support, bt the core support was from Calvinistic Protestantism in both the South and the North. Prohibition is more an indication of enduring Conservatism within the GOP as opposed to Progressivism. Perhaps that stems from the understanding of the word Progressivism. Everyone wanted to advance their society, but in their own image and that is the key thing. Aside from slavery, The Republicans were a Party that wanted to take away the Irish and German's whiskey and beer, force those of whom were Catholic amongst them to read the good King James Bible in their progressive schools built to "progress society", and prevent their relatives from joining them in America. It was more a way to impose their social views through the gov't on unwilling people, hardly a progressive approach as we would understand it.

20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: December 15, 2014, 01:23:02 am
I only voted for Cris once I saw electionsguy had voted for JCL (essentially it was a downballot preference behind Spiral and Maxwell). I had figured that if TheHawk and Reaganfan turned out and voted (both were online at the time) that JCL had votes remaining that Cris didn't unless daveo came through. I expected to vote for JCL for 90% of the election.

21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Republicans' Southern Problem on: December 15, 2014, 01:06:10 am
The Republicans have always had a Southern problem. Tongue
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence might be the real 2016 wildcard. on: December 15, 2014, 01:00:02 am
I like Pence a lot too. I wanted him to beat Boehner in 2006 for the minority leader position. Speaker Mike Pence would have been cool.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: December 15, 2014, 12:45:49 am
If Atlasia were a post-Soviet state, people will call a politician acting like TNF "an unrepentant party apparatchik" and NCYankee "a shameless populist oligarch."

Indenial perhaps, but shameless?

As for populist oligarch, I miss the comparison. I reject populism and oppose concentrations of wealth and power, the epitome of an oligarchy no?

The TPP would be the "Reformists" who can't seem to catch a break, much to the befuddlement of US observers. There may be debates on whether the US should enact sanctions to ensure free and fair elections.

I haven't seen much vote fraud recently here. Tongue
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: December 15, 2014, 12:40:00 am
If I win and Polnut loses I will resign so Polnut can be appointed to fill my seat. He deserves a win more than me
That would be a spécial élection not an appointment.

Quote from: Proportional Representation Act, Section 3, Clause 7
Should a candidate or candidates be certified victorious in an at-large STV election and concede the seat prior to the date on which they are to swear-in:
1. If they are a member of a major party, that party's chairman will have until the swearing-in date OR until five days after the candidate's concession (whichever time is later) to appoint a replacement. For the appointment to be valid, the chair must allow a minimum of 24 hours for nominations for the seat, followed by a party-wide vote to choose the replacement that shall last at least 48 hours.

NEver challenge BK or bgwah on election law coonsidering that together they have composed 90% of them. Tongue
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: December 15, 2014, 12:32:16 am
I think a more appropriate comparison might be a patient on life support, because that's what your party is.

It would be more apt to say that the right is on life support in general because of lack of engagement and interest.
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