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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Primary calendar and delegate allocation megathread (Christmas is saved!) on: Today at 01:41:27 am
Does this orderly arrangement mean that people have conceded the figh to dethrone IA/NH/SC of their early status?
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why did Romney Lose Florida? on: Today at 01:30:12 am
Its possible that Florida therefore would be affected by the same thing that hurt him in Ohio. That of falling short amongst lower income voters across the board.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: 1850s-60s Irish Republicans on: Today at 01:27:02 am
The fear that after Dred Scott, that sooner or later slavery could be brought to locations unthought of before probably motivated a good number towards Lincoln out of a job protection mindset. You also had some true believers who were abolitionists and such forth as well as those out west that Mechaman mentioned.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Christie to Colorado: Pot party is over if I'm elected President on: Today at 01:18:15 am
"New York Police state of mind" candidate, is not a good choice for socially libertarian swing voters.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Dave Leip Approval Rating on: Today at 01:16:03 am
It now looks rather similar to the MA 2010 special.
6  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to move and rename the Mock Parliament subsection on: Today at 01:09:01 am
I saw the video last time you posted it in response to someone mentioning "your associates". I was compelled to utilize it as soon as possible and this looked like a great opportunity. Cheesy

OK.  I assume you've seen B5 before, and I didn't spoil Season 4 for you when I posted that video before?


Actually I haven't seen any of it before seeing that video. Tongue Its not my time of show really.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas vs. AAD? on: Today at 12:59:39 am
There are some good discussions on AAD. I found the Bernie Sander - Immigration thread on AAD superior and more in depth to the one on the Atlas.
8  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to move and rename the Mock Parliament subsection on: Today at 12:54:42 am
I saw the video last time you posted it in response to someone mentioning "your associates". I was compelled to utilize it as soon as possible and this looked like a great opportunity. Cheesy
9  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to move and rename the Mock Parliament subsection on: July 29, 2015, 11:30:55 pm
I don't know what will happen with this, but it looks like BK's departure has made that board mod-less (and a couple of other small boards too).  I guess it's now under Modadmin martial law, until regular order can be restored.  I will be pretty hands off in moderating it, and it looks like it's likely to be relatively drama free, with hardly any reported posts, so I don't foresee even needing to check in there very often during this mod-less interim period.  Nonetheless, PM me if you have any concerns.


Wow, I guess my reign of terror didn't last very long, as Hash has been handed the keys to MP.


Dave didn't like the idea of "your associates" "running a-mock" Parliment, and pressed "the button".

Been waiting three weeks to use that. Tongue
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Senate Speaker Cris - On election as Speaker. on: July 29, 2015, 11:16:44 pm
Congrats Cris. Smiley
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Mideast Record-Courier (Former President Named Deputy SoEA) on: July 29, 2015, 11:14:31 pm
Truman, you need to print a correction.

As far I am aware at this time, the whole "Sawx was Hamilton" is false. It was an IRC joke that spread to AAD then back here. Sawx was banned following an unfortunate exchange with Snowstalker, that involved threats being communicated. Also both Hamilton and Sawx have been on IRC at that same time, which would require two seperate computers and make interacting very difficult.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Convention for Agreement on Regional Consolidation in Atlasia on: July 29, 2015, 11:02:55 pm
X North Carolina Yankee

We should at least be discussing this option too. I am not opposed to a three region map and wih the Mock Parliament going, the need for consolidation is most likely unavoidable.

But consolidation alone is not the answer to the problems and I think most would admit that. As for viability of consolidation, it is rather viable indeed though that might have changed since the last time I dsicussed the numbers with Griffin.

13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MW: Confirmation of Maxwell for Senator on: July 29, 2015, 10:57:28 pm
The problem with firm declaratory statements is that reality inevitably forces you to compromise. When Xahar was elected, he too probably would have said "Well, consolidation will never come before the Senate" because it was at like 35% at that time. Well it did and it failed the first time through, because he was adhering to a pledge of inactivity.

If a good solid reform package comes before the Senate and it is not dissolution, such a pledge of voting against everything that is not dissolution, no longer furthers the goal of reforming the game, it actively hinders it. Its kind of like a no tax pledge, then you go to war or face bankruptcy as a country you are forced to compromise or hinder the very fiscal responsibility you are trying to force with said pledge.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Improve Our Wiki Act of 2015 (Debating) on: July 29, 2015, 10:47:46 pm
Quote from: How Does This Look?
A Bill
To give the President greater resources and flexibility to bring the wiki up to date.

Bill Title: Improve Our Wiki Act of 2015

1. The President shall have the ability to select a "National Archivist" for the purpose of updating the wiki, including the statute page, main page, as well as all info on federal institutions.

2. This position shall not be fixed or permenent and shall serve as long as the President deems it necessary.

3. No confirmation shall be required, nor shall there by any restrictions placed on other officerholders from serving concurrently in this position.

I added my preferred Scott style format and copy and pasted the current clauses into it. Then I removed 1 and began to move, consolidate and alter.

The one question mark I have is the no confirmation aspect. Are my collegeagues okay with it being that informal or would they prefer we have a say who is selected? I am fine with either.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Fireworks Freedom Act of 2015 (Debating) on: July 29, 2015, 10:38:46 pm
What are the laws in the Northeast regarding fireworks?


I am hessitant to have the Federal Gov't nullify any regional law, but especially one where the body is unaware of its contents. Wink
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Modern Health Education Act on: July 29, 2015, 10:36:22 pm
Quote from: Amendment Offered
SECTION 5: NUTRITIONAL STANDARDS

1. To qualify for the above funds, regions must adopt a policy for their school boards that limits or eliminates the sale and distribution of exceedingly unhealthy foods on school property from school lunch and breakfasts. Such limits shall not be required to apply to foods served/made as part of extricular and/or sports activities, in order to qualify for said funding.

We never addressed this problem to my recollection.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Protection of Atlasians from Arbitrary Forum Administration Act on: July 29, 2015, 10:26:14 pm
Quote from: Amendment offered

A Bill
To protect Atlasians from being the in-game consequences of being unfairly banned

Bill Title: This Bill shall be entitled the “Protection of Unfairly Banned Atlasians Act”.

Section 1. Definitions
1. Accidentally Banned - Any poster whose account was banned unintentionally as a result of trying to ban another poster.
2. Mistakenly Banned - Any poster whose account was banned under the incorrect belief that said person had committed a violation warranting such a ban.

Section 2. Registration
The following clause shall be inserted as clauses 4 and 5 of the Deregistration of Banned Members Act:
“4.  Any forum member shall have their registration immediately restored when a member of the Forum administration or moderator team announces that the ban was mistaken or accidental."

“5. The Registrar General, shall wait 72 hours, following the announcement by the forum administration, of a poster having been banned before removing said banned Atlasians from the rolls.”

Section 3: Offices
1. Any poster who was accidentally or mistakenly banned by the forum administration shall be immediately restored to the offices which they held, unless the restoration is subsequent to next regularly scheduled election to that office.

2. No appointments shall be made, nor special elections called for vacancies arising from the deregistration of a banned member until the Registrar General.

Section 4: Effectiveness
This bill shall go into effect immediately.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Protection of Atlasians from Arbitrary Forum Administration Act on: July 29, 2015, 10:23:34 pm
The problem is that we cannot protect Atlasian's from being unfairly banned. We can only protect them from in game consequences of those bans or lessen the impact.


Quote from: Current Text I think

A Bill
To protect Atlasians from being unfairly banned

Bill Title: This Bill shall be entitled the “Protection of Unfairly Banned Atlasians Act”.

Section 1. Definitions
1. Accidentally Banned - Any poster whose account was banned unintentionally as a result of trying to ban another poster.
2. Mistakenly Banned - Any poster whose account was banned under the incorrect belief that said person had committed a violation warranting such a ban.

Section 2. Registration
The following clause shall be inserted as clauses 4 and 5 of the Deregistration of Banned Members Act:
“4.  Any forum member shall have their registration immediately restored when a member of the Forum administration or moderator team announces that the ban was mistaken or accidental."

“5. The Registrar General, shall wait 72 hours, following the announcement by the forum administration, of a poster having been banned before removing said banned Atlasians from the rolls.”

Section 3: Offices
1. Any poster who was accidentally or mistakenly banned by the forum administration shall be immediately restored to the offices which they held, unless the restoration is subsequent to next regularly scheduled election to that office.

2. No appointments shall be made, nor special elections called for vacancies arising from the deregistration of a banned member until the Registrar General.

Section 4: Effectiveness
This bill shall go into effect immediately.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Improve Our Wiki Act of 2015 (Debating) on: July 29, 2015, 10:16:32 pm
Here is an idea. Instead of making it a permenent position, whereby there is a vacancy draining a low pool of potential occupants, why not make it an "as needed position". Leave the responsibility primarily with the DOJ, but if it were to become backed up or hopelessly behind the President can have someone act as National Archivist to help catch up.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Continuity of Government Act on: July 29, 2015, 10:13:38 pm
Unless Kal has anymore concerns, I would be fine with moving to a final vote.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Constitutions on: July 29, 2015, 10:12:49 pm
Cris, so that I can understand you correctly here, instead of adding the ability of the Senate to call a convention on its own like the underlying amendment, your amendment offered above merely removes the ability of the Senate to block a convention called by the regions. Is this the accurate reading of the text and is your intended change?

22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 67th Senate Noticeboard 2.0 on: July 29, 2015, 10:07:23 pm
I would recommend using an amendment tracker as well, Cris.

Windjammer and myself made good use of it and it helps to avoid missing them.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Another new Speaker on: July 29, 2015, 10:05:55 pm
Cris FTR


Congrats Man. Smiley
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Northeast CJO cinyc (Gubernatorial Special Election Certified) on: July 27, 2015, 02:16:01 am
Did Clyde not vote?

On Holiday, along with Griff being banned hurt me

If you had tied on the final count, would you have won?
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Blair 4 Governor: Real Leadership for the Northeast on: July 27, 2015, 02:12:08 am
You earned the respect and support of a number of voters that two weeks ago, would have been unthinkable. You lost some as well that would have been solid by that same token though.

That is the thing though, the partisan barriers, the ones that are supposed to be the immutable rocks on which reform always dies, they change by the day. They shift constantly now in reaction to who is offering strong leadership. The actions taken in the Senate and the active campaign were tremendously effective in winning votes that would have seemed impossible. Yes there was a one vote defeat, but remember we had the Modcare leaks explode last week, and two key players were banned. Very few were focused on Atlasia during that time period as many were focused on trying to get justice for Griffin and BK.

By the same token, everytime we seem to be moving in a good direction, someone gets banned and a bunch of other people lose interest. That is precisely why this game has failed. You are right, interest levels are way down and until we restore that collectively, this game is only going to further decline. If we will it collectively, it will happen though.

I don't know who is driven by that.

I outlined my reasons for this vote. But I SERIOUSLY urge the Senator to reconsider his actions.

My point was that it was distracting and may have led to a lower turnout, especially for laborites angry about Griffin's ban.

Also Griffin was in the NE and would have voted for Blair if not banned.
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