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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia.........Atlasians combat global warming on: September 27, 2011, 01:07:30 am
Surely there are ten more points? Smiley

Well atleast he has more then "nein nein nein" Grin


I just pissed off a bunch of a Cain fans by saying that.

Edit: But considering he has said "people need to learn how to take a joke", maybe not. Wink
15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia National HQ -Nyman, DC (Tmth In the Driver's Seat in ME Race) on: September 27, 2011, 01:03:01 am
October Mideast Regional Senate Race Poll
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=141083.0

If the election for ME Regional Senator were today, who would you vote for?
Fmr. Senator shua (POP-VA)   4 (30.8%)
Fmr. President Tmthforu94 (RPP-VA)   8 (61.5%)
Other:   1 (7.7%)
Undecided   0 (0%)
None of the Above   0 (0%)

 
Total Voters: 13
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia National HQ -Nyman, DC (Office angers ME, Nappy Pleases NE) on: September 27, 2011, 12:54:22 am
September Regional Senator Approval Ratings
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=141081.0

In your opinion, how has your regional Senator performed his job?
Approve - Senator Napoleon (JCP-CT)   8 (22.9%)
Disapprove - Senator Napoleon (JCP-CT)   5 (14.3%)
Approve - Senator officepark (RPP-VA)   3 (8.6%)
Disapprove - Senator officepark (RPP-VA)   5 (14.3%)
Approve - Senator fuzzybigfoot (JCP-WY)   2 (5.7%)
Disapprove - Senator fuzzybigfoot (JCP-WY)   1 (2.9%)
Approve - Senator bgwah (JCP-WA)   4 (11.4%)
Disapprove - Senator bgwah (JCP-WA)   1 (2.9%)
Approve - Senator North Carolina Yankee (RPP-NC)   6 (17.1%)
Disapprove - Senator North Carolina Yankee (RPP-NC)   0 (0%)


Total Voters: 35

Senator Napoleon
Approve: 62%
Disapprove: 38%

Senator Officepark
Approve 38%
Disapprove: 62%

Fuzzybigfoot
Approve: 67%
Disaprpove 33%

Senator Bgwah
Approve: 80%
Disapprove: 20%

Senator NC Yankee
Approve: 100%
Disapprove: 0%
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia National HQ -Nyman, DC (Aussie Prez Still Crazy Popular) on: September 27, 2011, 12:46:12 am
September Presidential Approval Rating
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=141089.0

In your opinion, how has President Polnut performed his job?
Strongly Approve   12 (54.5%)
Somewhat Approve   6 (27.3%)
Unsure   2 (9.1%)
Somewhat Disapprove   1 (4.5%)
Strongly Disapprove   1 (4.5%)

Total Voters: 22


Total Approve: 81.8%
Unsure: 9.1%
Total Disprove: 9%


15555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Support for the Sudanese Act (Debating) on: September 27, 2011, 12:38:12 am
I PMed Ben again tonight.


15556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Introduction Thread on: September 27, 2011, 12:36:41 am
As a former thrice PPT, I have to side with bgwah atleast as far as his motivations go. The large queue's are big pain in the ass that slow down the Senate responsiveness to current issues. Typically you have a Senate that is really active and you get a lot of legislation, so much that the whole next Senate as well is spent passing last Senate's remaining legislation. A backlog got built up in the 42nd and we finally wiped it out by the end of the 43rd. Then it got built back up again in the 44th. 

@ Officepark
Mr. Big's actions here are completely legit as far as the OSPR is concerned.
15557  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Anti-Conscription Amendment (Debating) on: September 27, 2011, 12:23:06 am
I think every concern raised so far, has been addressed, so yes, I would support it.
15558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: 2011 Tax Bill* (Debating) on: September 27, 2011, 12:18:45 am
It would be 60% on all income above $2.5 million, but yeah, I agree. That said, this new plan is better than our current system. I will support it over what we currently have.

^^^

This, but I would vote for TC's amendment if it came to a vote.
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating) on: September 27, 2011, 12:13:15 am
Probably, Bgwah.


But I am kind of mad that no one commented on this:

In the previous thread, President Polnut preposed offering incentives to encourage people to retrain.

The current text allows people to remain on UI while doing that, but it doesn't really offer any incentives to do so. And it runs the risk of the person training for a nonexistant job.

This is an idea in the economics board I ran across:

4) Georgia Works. Georgians receiving unemployment benefits are matched with employers who are seeking employees and who agree to provide up to eight weeks of training. The employers do not pay the workers, who work no more than 24 hours a week; instead workers continue to receive their unemployment checks and a $240 stipend to help cover transportation, child care and other expenses.

We could include an incentive coupled with some form of employer matching to ensure they have a job waiting for them at the other end.


Probably be one more thing to address in a separate bill, later. Probably be more efficient to do it that way as well.
15560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Traffic Enforcement Act of 2011 (at final vote) on: September 27, 2011, 12:06:28 am
Aye
15561  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Our prayers might be answered: Christie to decide on 2012 bid. on: September 25, 2011, 10:13:14 pm
It was either Meet the Press or ABC's "This Week W/ C. A. (You spell her name out? Tongue)".

But I remember he said "that he planed to place in NH, take second in SC, and bring it home in FL".

It was right after the debate where they were asked to raise there hands on whether or not they would vote for various debt deals.
15562  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Our prayers might be answered: Christie to decide on 2012 bid. on: September 25, 2011, 10:04:27 pm
Hunstman said in interview that he planned to "place" in NH, take second in SC and bring it home in FL.
15563  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who would be more hurt by Christie entering? on: September 25, 2011, 09:41:58 pm
Chrisitie would loose steam after a while too once Immigration and Gun Control come up. He will loose anyone he takes from Perry and then he becomes more a problem for Romney, then Perry. But the person who is really screwed six ways to sunday or "persons" rather is Huntsman and Johnson, as they will loose the people they are targetting to Christie and thus remain stuck where they are, no where.
15564  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Closing the Enormous Budget Deficit in Atlasian Healthcare on: September 25, 2011, 09:36:11 pm
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The Atlasian Government, through the Atlasian National Health Care Program's regional offices, shall be financially obligated to cover all costs from services and benefits provided to the enrolled by the participating providers.



The bold is suppose to suffice as such.
15565  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Georgian Revolutionary Congress Dispatch #1 on: September 25, 2011, 09:34:13 pm
So this is what an Atlasian suicide looks like.

Goodbye Yelnoc, it has been fun. Sad 
15566  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Closing the Enormous Budget Deficit in Atlasian Healthcare on: September 25, 2011, 09:27:28 pm
Clause a merely serves to protect people from being billed for what the gov't covers.

Clause b is a problem because of the way it is worded. Going back to what I said about companies likely just leaving the market to avoid conflicting with the ANHA (In RL, they would sue the gov't most likely and probably win Wink).  It may be a leftover from when the bill explicitly banned competition from private insurers.
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: OSPR Amendment (Voting on Cloture) on: September 25, 2011, 09:20:39 pm
Aye

I support using cloture in such cases because oftentimes someone will just chime in with "Oh I think this bill is great!" at 23 hours and 40 minutes and reset the clock for another 24 hours and it goes on for days and days at a time.

So I call for a cloture vote, which is what cloture votes are designed for... to close debate.  They can also be used to end filibusters, etc.

But when I was PPT I got tired of having people chime in every 23 hours or so and then the bill, which is due for a vote, would languish and take up a slot.  So I'd call for a cloture vote.  Fairly simple.

But yes, I understand your concerns, and I mean no disrespect to the bill sponsor.


A vote can take days as well. With the UC get around we enacted in July, the PPT can have a final vote open in 24 hours, regardless of who chimes in what.
And not every bill is going to have unanimous consent.. in fact, I'd say most bills will not.  UC is used for non-controversial bills, especially emergency ones.  I'd say we should avoid using UC except in those cases and use cloture to end debate in any bill that might garner opposition.

Ah! Snowguy, but you are confusing the two different UC procedures. You are thinking of the one for minimum debate times. The one for avoiding cloture votes is for "when there is a consensus that work is done". Only a RowanBrandon type would oppose going to a final vote on a bill they oppose. Tongue
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regarding the current secession movement on: September 25, 2011, 08:40:15 pm
Cathcon, such a grand scenario would never be possible. Even if the GM were to incorporate it into the game, there is no way that enough people would take it seriously and play along. Certainly the policy wonks would be all in a tizzy and the economics only people as well. Soon you got half the game playing Civil War Redux, and the other half going business as usuall.

Awww man! I was hoping to be part of one of the most epic events in all Atlasian history! It would be sweet to see ripple effects (I myself had planned on publishing "Cathcon's War Journal") and the like, plus Reconstruction. I guess not. Cry


Watch your quote boxes, man!!! Tongue

It would be fun, I'll admit, but it just isn't practical.

Now a foreign war, might be. Fewer domestic disturbances, no treason trials and execution squad (just because the American Civil ended without these, doesn't mean Atlasia's would you know. Wink ), and thus probably more cooperation as a result.
15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Closing the Enormous Budget Deficit in Atlasian Healthcare on: September 25, 2011, 08:36:10 pm
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Further, under the ANHA, doctors cannot accept private payment for these services, so private insurance is nearly useless.


Shua, could you reference the exact section of the ANHA that does this? I think I might be misreading something.
15570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NOTICE: by-election (special election) for Senate. Sept 29 on: September 25, 2011, 08:22:03 pm
http://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Consolidated_Electoral_System_Reform_Act


Quote from: CESRA
Section 6: Absentee Voting
1.As mandated by Article V, Section 2, Clause 8 of the Federal Constitution, all voters shall have the right to cast absentee votes after the candidacy declaration period has expired.
2.Upon the candidacy declaration deadline occurring the Secretary of Forum Affairs or Deputy Secretary of Forum Affairs shall establish a thread for absentee voting which shall include a full ballot. In the event that a run-off is necessary, absentee voting shall open as soon as is practical after the certification of the original election results.
3.Voters wishing to vote by absentee shall post their votes as they otherwise would.
4.In the event that a person votes by absentee and regularly then both votes will be discounted.
5.In the case of run-off elections, an absentee booth shall be opened as soon as possible after the declaration by the Department of Forum Affairs that a run-off election is to be held.




I seem to remember there being a permission seeking requirement before one could vote in the Absentee both. And this is line with what Franzl did in the booth back in February.
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NOTICE: by-election (special election) for Senate. Sept 29 on: September 25, 2011, 08:12:39 pm
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=132138.0


I believe the procedure was that people had to request an absentee ballot or permission to cast the same, in a specialized Voting Booth thread, such as you see above.
15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Senator Fuzzleton's Press Conference on: September 25, 2011, 07:54:32 pm
Damn, didn't see that coming.


Huh
15573  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regarding the current secession movement on: September 25, 2011, 07:52:29 pm
Cathcon, such a grand scenario would never be possible. Even if the GM were to incorporate it into the game, there is no way that enough people would take it seriously and play along. Certainly the policy wonks would be all in a tizzy and the economics only people as well. Soon you got half the game playing Civil War Redux, and the other half going business as usuall.
15574  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: OSPR Amendment (Voting on Cloture) on: September 25, 2011, 07:46:43 pm
Aye

I support using cloture in such cases because oftentimes someone will just chime in with "Oh I think this bill is great!" at 23 hours and 40 minutes and reset the clock for another 24 hours and it goes on for days and days at a time.

So I call for a cloture vote, which is what cloture votes are designed for... to close debate.  They can also be used to end filibusters, etc.

But when I was PPT I got tired of having people chime in every 23 hours or so and then the bill, which is due for a vote, would languish and take up a slot.  So I'd call for a cloture vote.  Fairly simple.

But yes, I understand your concerns, and I mean no disrespect to the bill sponsor.


A vote can take days as well. With the UC get around we enacted in July, the PPT can have a final vote open in 24 hours, regardless of who chimes in what.
15575  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Closing the Enormous Budget Deficit in Atlasian Healthcare on: September 25, 2011, 07:31:22 pm
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d.) No deductibles, co-payments, coinsurance, or other cost-sharing shall be imposed with respect to covered benefits, but additional insurance from private sources is not forbidden.


The source of that problem is I beleive the phrasing of this clause. The use of the words additional insurance refer to I beleive basically a supplemental plan, beyond that which is covered by the Act. By stating that is not forbidden, it implies that competing plans are or atleast might. If memory serves me, this text was modified slightly during the debate because the previous text contained an explicit ban, and I beleive either Franzl or Marokai got that removed. However it didn't rephrase this clause properly when doing so.   


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(a.) All individuals residing in Atlasia are eligible covered under the Atlasian National Health Care Program entitling them to a universal, best quality standard of care.

Are they covered? or Are they eligible to be covered? Such an error means that difference between it being optional, and everyone being in it automatically. Alone that is enough to cause major problems. Combined with the poor phrasing of (d) it is enough to either constitute a ban on private insurance on the items covered, or create enough uncertainty about the statute to ensure counter measures being taken by private insurance. Most likely, a complete pull out of the private market on the items covered in the act.


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