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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Right Wages for the Right Regions Act (VP NEEDED FOR TIE BREAK) on: October 17, 2012, 12:48:58 am
Vote on Amendment 51:18:

Aye (3): Ben, Franzl, and Scott
Nay (3): Hagrid, Marokai Blue, and Sbane
Abstain (1): NC Yankee (I was 22 minutes too late. Sad)

Didn't Vote (3): Bacon King, NVTownsend and Redalgo

The amendment is tied and the VP shall break the tie. Another pitifull performance, not for it being contentious, but because the lack of votes prevented potentially concluded without a tie breaker. 5-5 is fine, 3-3 is a disagrace.
15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Right Wages for the Right Regions Act (Amendment at Vote) on: October 17, 2012, 12:44:15 am
I think that as part of giving the regions more authority here, we should let them determine whether to go through this and they can taylor it in such ways as to reduce the burden of implementing such a standard. It would force dramatic shifts on the part of a lot of small businesses and on employers who have been doing this in the other four regions, to then make them shift over night and likely result in a lot of unnecessary job losses. The only way to do that would be to slowly implement it over time.

So I change my vote to nay.

Never took you for the "pro-business" type, Marokai. Tongue
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Free Refill Ban Act (Debating) on: October 17, 2012, 12:34:16 am
Senator you have 24 hours to post a substantive advocacy for this.
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / SENATE BILL: Free Refill Ban Act (Failed) on: October 17, 2012, 12:33:46 am
Quote
Free refill ban:

1.) It shall be a criminal offence to offer a "flat rate" for any drink that contains sugar or alcohol. Listed prices must be valid for an exact quantity and be charged for any additional quantity.

2.) Violators will be fined an amount not to exceed $1,000 per offence.

Sponsor: Franzl
15555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (Passed) on: October 17, 2012, 12:22:22 am
I had planned to end this last night but I have only been able to get on for short periods of time on here, because of a problem with the internet. The phone jack in which it was plugged in burnt out. We replaced it and now it is back to normal. sh**tty, but in a normal kind of way. Tongue


Final Vote on passage of the Senate Committee on Internal Affairs Resolution:
Aye (4): Ben, Franzl, NC Yankee, and Scott
Nay (0):
Abstain (2): Marokai Blue and sbane

Didn't Vote (4): Bacon King, Hagrid, NVTownsend, and Redalgo

The resolution has passed.

We spent 2/3rds of a month on something that should have been waived through, now we only have two weeks left, we couldn't get it up and running before the end of the Senate if we started tonight. This is despicable. First we had dillatory tactics employed, it takes a weeks to wait for a cloture vote to fail because too few vote on it, and then it takes a week to produce a 4-0-2 vote? How can you justify this. A WEEK!!! I understand finals and other concerns, but damn it. A ING WEEK!!!!
15556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The 'DREAM' Act (Amendment at Vote) on: October 16, 2012, 01:14:55 pm
Some Libertarians are pretty weak on the border, perhaps you a Ron Paul Tea Partier. Tongue


Giving a guarrateed, indefinate free pass to "future" violators of a law you plan to continue, is perhaps the most insane idea I have ever heard of. I too support reforming and simplifying the legal immigration system, but sorry Marokai, you are in fact creating not a laissez faire immigration policy, but you are openly admitting that we have no immigration policy, that the legalities and circumstances of person's entry in the country are irrelevant. To someone as a protectionist as you yourself have shown over the years (Remember the buy America provisions? Atleast Franzl was on the side of sanity on that issue, back then, if memory serves me. Tongue),  such should not even be a consideration. Now, on the other hand, one can be a free trader (espeically since that means different things to different people) and still support border security and regulating (like safety inspections, making sure there are no nukes in the containers, etc etc) the flow of goods in such a trade system (if it means a economic policy decision rather than a philosophical view of gov't. Hence why libertarians see a contradiction). For practical reasons though protectionism and complete open borders are impossible, because you are conceding the ability to enforce the trade policy when you surrender your immigration policy.

As for Scott said about border security not being able to pass the Senate, so he didn't include it. WTF!!! Has the desire on the part of Democrats in RL to pander to Hispanics and lock the GOP out of power driven the all of them to completely surrender any sense of reality regarding borders for political gain? Have you convinced yourself in a conspiratorial fashion, akin to birtherism and trutherism, that it is "just another racist code word"? It is a constitutional obligation to sustain sovereign control of the country's borders, otherwise you can't protect the people.  Control does mean a wall, it is a door that we can than determine whne to close an open it.  

I would continue, but I am tired.

THe vote turnout here sucks! Tongue
15557  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Pennsylvania 2012: Casey's Challenge on: October 16, 2012, 12:51:53 pm
Smith should prepare like crazy for that one debate. Casey is a notorious bore, and Smith might be able to dominate the event if properly prepared. I hope that since he push for it more, that such is what is going on behind the scenes.

If Smith can keep it close with that cash, the viewership of the debate by undecideds will be high. A strong performance by Smith, and then Casey's people really will have reason to panic.

He probably still wins, but just seeing him squirm makes me feel good. At least he won't walk into the seat again because of his name, his opponent's controversial history and Bush's low approval ratings/Dem wave. This time he shall have to work for it.
15558  Election Archive / 2012 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: IN, Ras: Mourdock in the lead on: October 16, 2012, 12:37:55 pm
Well its about time, Dick. Roll Eyes


Lets see if it holds up.
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: Pacific Regional Senate Election on: October 16, 2012, 05:08:10 am
This poll is for all registered voters in the Pacific Region, likely to vote in the upcoming election. It shall run for three days.


15560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: October Presidential Poll on: October 16, 2012, 05:01:30 am
This election is for all registered voters likely to vote in this next election and will run for three days.



Quality PollingTM that is what we do!
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlasian Governmental Question? on: October 16, 2012, 04:50:27 am
AG, as far as I know, still has responsbility for Senate legislation, with the only exception that I know of being the OSPR and its amendments which were handed over to the Vice President last year.

Especially in recent times, neither have been cutting it.

Like I seriously remember posting this exact same thing about 24 hours ago, only I can't remember if I did or not and don't have time to check. Tongue
15562  Election Archive / 2012 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: FL: Public Policy Polling: Nelson's lead intact despite Obama slippage on: October 15, 2012, 10:44:32 am
It is interesting that Rassy and PPP agree on where Nelson is. Rassy gives him 46% and PPP gives him 45%. One would think that with Nelson being a popular three term incumbent and Mack having so many problems, that he would be at or atleast closer to 50% at this stage in the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if this were to get closer.
15563  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE: The Judiciary (Separate Elections Amendment) on: October 15, 2012, 03:33:11 am
Just because someone is elected independently in a competative election, won't ensure their activity. Look at some of the Senators. Atleast three (seems like five of them this time) are inactive. They typically weight more towards the At-Large Senators, which are allegedly the best because they are unpredictable, but this time some Regionals have slipped in as well. Some of the most active Senators are typically Regional Senators from uncompetative regions (atleast historically, bgwah, Scott, and one more whom modesty forbids me mentioning Wink). The most competative region in the last three to four years, the mideast, has produced some of the worst Senators over that period in terms of activity (Sorry Ben, you actually in the mid range of this Senate Tongue), with one or two exceptions.

VPs (except Kalwejt a time long before, which gave me hope for something similar this time, but that of course didn't happen), have not worked out a Senate administration sharing agreement with the PPT. I know because there is this guy running the Senate, who gives me this information. Wink I also don't think they have been keeping the OSPR up to date since that duty was shifted over to that possition. We passed an amendment allowing joint cabinet-VP officeholders and my hope was that would lead to the VP taking an active role in pressing the cabinet to act and get stuff done. That hasn't happened either. The general argument has been that the VP has nothing to do. Well it has three areas right there that it could find enough to do to fill several hours a day, and yet none of it happens.

I think the VP needs some intense oversight, like the SoIA. And a change in the way the general public treats the innactivity of that official, like the SoIA. And a greater willingness to take extreme measures if they fail to do their job, like the SoIA. Hey Marokai, you gonna try and abolish the VP next? Tongue
15564  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE: National Security on: October 15, 2012, 03:05:37 am
Ben, what is the game plan for this here? Do you plan to deliberate it before the committee before it goes before the full Senate? If so, please proceed with that immediately.
15565  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Election Do-Over Act (At Final Vote) on: October 15, 2012, 03:03:43 am
Aye

We need more votes here!
15566  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act (Debating) on: October 15, 2012, 03:00:30 am
Ah Hello, Marokai, people who voted nay on the previous amendment, give me some answers here.
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: ...Committee on Internal Affairs... Resolution (At Final Vote) on: October 15, 2012, 02:53:12 am
What the hell? 4-0-2 is still crap! Angry
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Right Wages for the Right Regions Act (Amendment at Vote) on: October 15, 2012, 02:48:48 am
Abstain

15569  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arlen Specter confirmed to have died on: October 15, 2012, 02:35:11 am
I certainly had my differences with him, but I also respected his hard work and dedication to the State. Even beyond that he was clearly a decent and honorable person who devoted himself to serving and helping others going back over half a century or so.


I must say the comments by some in this thread are both disgusting and reprehensive.

America missed out on a great man by never electing him president. Pat Toomey, Joe Sestak, and the state of Pennsylvania should feel extra sad today for the knives they jammed in to his back.

That may be so about the Presidency, but as the point about the Senate seat is just ridiculous. He won against Toomey in 2004, narrowly, but he still won. By 2010 though the state had moved on in both parties and he couldn't win either primary. This notion that incumbent politicians are owed the support and obedience of their consituents is simply ridiculous. It has to be earned and Specter did earn it in for five terms. I would think after that much time especialy, they shouldn't feel any obligation to refrain from changing hands if they feel a new time with new issues, requires a different voice.

By that same understanding, Mark Begich would had to have gone all emo in the aftermath of Ted Steven's passing. It doesn't work like that and as far as I can tell the campaigns that Toomey and Sestak ran were hardly bitterly personal or anything of that nature.
15570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE: Gov't Oversight and Reform (The Missing Link) on: October 14, 2012, 12:10:45 pm
Losing last night wasn't exactly, what I had planned, but AOL had other ideas of a "fun night", which included spending the whole night and most of the morming dialing out into the abyss. I still can barely function on here.


The lack of substance of responses to Scott's questions is disturbing. I would add a third "Mike Wallace" type question that probably belongs in between each of Scott's. Morgieb, are you capable at this time of executing the duties of SoIA?

Also, where is Senator Ben? He should also give feedback on Nix's statement.

ILV, do you have any details about your experiences with the SoIA on them atters of transportion ant the University bill, or any other matter that you would like to state for the record, that would be beneficial to our understanding of the situation?

Last I check, we have five regions and only two executives have posted out of 5. PiT, Tmth, Spamage, I can't imagine this hasn't been problematic for you. This is your chance to vent your frustrations and  have the cover of it having been asked of you by the committee.
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Current office holders (from what I can find) on: October 14, 2012, 12:01:19 pm
Yes and I am pretty sure that the previous Senate isn't complete. Be sure when posting texts from bills that the OPs of the bill threads I create contain the original legislation as introduced, not as passed. Final texts should be either on the last page or second to last page, depending if the vote carried over to another page.

Were it not for the SoIA becoming the prominent issue, the wiki would have been our next topic (I think).

It is simply ridiculous. I remember the days when the AG would tail the President on every bill so the posts after the PPT Declaring a bill passed was first the president signature and then the AG notifying that it had been placed in the wiki.

15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE: Gov't Oversight and Reform (The Missing Link) on: October 13, 2012, 12:47:26 am
I think you might want to check some of your months, otherwise Morgieb has even more problems then we originally though, including time travel. Tongue


Other than that typo, though I think it is very detailed and I thank the Governor for taking the time out of his business schedule to explain the situaiton. Do any of the other regional executives have anything to add? Governor Nix referenced "other Governors", I would appreciate it if those "others" would stand up and be recogonized

Do any of the committee members have follow ups for Nix?
15573  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Election Do-Over Act (At Final Vote) on: October 13, 2012, 12:35:57 am
Senators, this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
15574  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The 'DREAM' Act (Amendment at Vote) on: October 13, 2012, 12:22:38 am
AYE!
15575  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act (Debating) on: October 13, 2012, 12:20:57 am
Ah, there is no vote here. Tongue
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