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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 15, 2012, 03:39:18 pm
I'm not operating on incorrect information.

Maybe, maybe not, but others clearly are in this process and your constant suggestions "someone just introduce this" or "someone just do that" as if trying to encourage someone to do this as a rogue agent aren't going to work. I can assure you such an endeavour will be more likely to fail. For this reason and the the bylaw's singular use, your encouragement of such sends shivers down my spine at the thought that someone could introduce a malformed text. Lets say it lacked the clause that makes our dissolution conditional on the JCP dissolution or maybe some other issue is present that has been expressed as a concern, and thus it were to fail while waisting the bylaw in the process. My responses are just as much aimed at informing those ignorant of these important details why caution is necessary in response to your constant and annoying demands. You'll get what you get, when you get it.


15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 15, 2012, 02:36:26 pm
I didn't answer questions because I DIDNT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT GETTING THINGS MOVING. if we are using allcaps.


What? I was talking to bgwah. I have been trying to get people to review the motion you wrote and get feedback on it, if you haven't noticed. The only reason I used caps on a few words in two different posts IN RESPONSE TO BGWAH (Tongue) is because I am sick of people operating in this movement on partial, incomplete, and incorrect information.
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 15, 2012, 12:21:09 am
And as I stated bgwah, most of that two months was lost because supporters of this idea of yours couldn't be bothered to respond to my questions and discussion of the bylaw in a timely fashion.

Every step of the way in this process I have been met with laziness and general ignorance of even what your initial proposal contained, BY ALLEGED SUPPORTERS!!! Don't lecture me on the timeliness of this process.
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 15, 2012, 12:06:00 am
Based on the comments I have read and the feedback I have seen, the composition of that motion will have an impact on the support it receives. I would rather loose a day or two to ensure that it is right, then have to spend a week voting on a false start and have to start all over again (the bylaw only works once, remember). There is no margin for error here. My caution is justified.

Just for emphasis, THE BYLAW ONLY WORKS ONCE!  There won't be a second motion if it is messed up. The bylaw would have to be re-passed.
15555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 14, 2012, 10:58:33 pm
We've been talking about this forever now. Just do it already!

Would you rather we rush it, mess it up, and thus cause it to fail because it was messed up.


Hey, now that's an idea.
15556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 14, 2012, 07:50:59 pm
Once again, we passed the bylaw a few days ago. The vote occured right here in this very thread. I don't see how you could have missed it. Tongue


Vote on what today?
15557  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Oceania Self Determination Act [VOTE: Motion to Table] on: January 14, 2012, 05:46:43 pm
I always assumed it was insult directed at his sexuality, because it was constantly used in IM chats by Hamilton and Libertas and I assumed they had originated it.

I can only speak for myself but I am not insulting anyone's sexuality. The term's been used around the forum plenty. If we want to be a Senate of insult finders, Yankee, then let's go back through Marokai's posts. We can hit the jackpot pretty fast.

I didn't say you did. I am just saying where I had assumed it had come from and why. It is very likely not indeed the case.
15558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Oceania Self Determination Act [VOTE: Motion to Table] on: January 14, 2012, 05:36:11 pm
Oh yeah, as Senate Dean, I second what Bacon Veep has said on this matter of civility. Grin
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Oceania Self Determination Act [VOTE: Motion to Table] on: January 14, 2012, 05:34:39 pm
I always assumed it was insult directed at his sexuality, because it was constantly used in IM chats by Hamilton and Libertas and I assumed they had originated it.
15560  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Weak GOP field on: January 14, 2012, 05:15:16 pm
I know we all mention how weak the field is...let's just go over the field (* means the candidate at one point led a national poll)-

Former one-term governor, formerly pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, Obamacare-lite*
Former House Speaker, resigned so not to be removed by caucus*
Former US Senator who lost reelection in landslide
Former CEO of pizza chain with sexual harassment past*
3rd term Congresswoman with history of foot in mouth*
76yo Congressman, former nominee of third-party
Governor of Texas, worst debater in political history*
Former one-term governor, incumbent's appointee as Ambassador

The only person in the field who could arguably be a strong canddiate is a normal year is- Rick Perry


When did Romney ever support Gay Marriage?
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 14, 2012, 05:02:17 pm
The bylaw referenced in the topic line that still hasn't been updated to reflect passage. Tongue It is three pages back in the thread.
15562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 47th Senate Noticeboard on: January 14, 2012, 04:58:12 pm
A numbered queue. One of my greatest contributions as PPT!



I has now become contagious. Wink
15563  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Freedom to Perform Act (on the President's desk) on: January 14, 2012, 04:38:11 pm
Nay
15564  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Former Senator John Edwards has life-threatening heart condition. on: January 14, 2012, 12:01:56 am
I have no particular desire for any ill to befall Mr. Edwards, but I would find it easier to be sympathetic if everytime I saw him in the local news, he didn't have the fake politician smile he always has on. It is litterally disgusting, does he think it helps his case in terms of public opinion, or does he not know how to not do that crap?
15565  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Thoughts on VP selection on: January 13, 2012, 11:54:21 pm
Duncan Hunter was someone who the Romney crowd, back in 2007, liked very much because he was strong on defense, and enforcement first/anti-amnesty on illegals. He was considered to be a top pick for Secretary of Homeland Security in a Romney administration for that reason. However, when he dropped out of the race and was asked if he would join fellow tough on illegals, Rep Tancredo in supporting Mittens, he stated that he was dead set against Romney because, Bain Capital had taken part in the outsourcing of an important defense related manufacturer to China.
15566  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Thoughts on VP selection on: January 13, 2012, 11:49:36 pm
Unless they don't have a Governor appointment as the replacement method for resigned Senators, then Dauregard appoints Mike Rounds as Senator, and either of those two have to face a popular former Governor serving as a semi-incumbent (more in the league of Johanns to the south then of Hoeven in ND, though).


Now if Burr is selected as was mentioned then it depends on who wins the Governorship, what they take office if it isn't Perdue, and what the state legislature can do to change the states procedures PDQ (Same party requirement, special election), if it is her.
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 47th Senate Noticeboard on: January 13, 2012, 11:43:32 pm
47th Senate Amendment Tracker
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate Committees Resolution [debating] on: January 13, 2012, 10:46:35 pm
That might be an interesting idea.
15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electricity Fairness Act [debating] on: January 13, 2012, 10:44:09 pm
I would say that in a completely free market, a price ceiling would have the effect described by Wormyguy because the motivation to bring sufficient supplies to the market to meet the demand isn't there because the prices are too low. However, electricity doesn't operate that way because the projects, are subsidized to some extent. Therefore, since Canada was mentioned, who built the hydro dams there?

Is the production of supply subsidized and funded by the gov't enough to offset the effect of such a price ceiling in Atlasia?
15570  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: What would it take for a Ron Paul endorsement of Romney? on: January 13, 2012, 10:09:13 pm
Romney already uses 10th Amendment as a shield for his Romneycare. And he is starting to use it as part of a broader welfare strategy if the last two debates are any guide.

Audit the Fed, prime time slots (some some restrictions on speech content), reduction in spending on the "War on Drugs" and greater embrace of the 10th Amendment on more issues are possible. Is it enough, though?
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RPP December Christmas/Holiday Ball (Bylaw Amendment at Vote) on: January 13, 2012, 09:44:33 pm
I say schedule a vote ASAP, I propose this coming thursday though sunday.

That would be illegal under the bylaw we just passed. Tongue
15572  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NC: PPP - Obama leads Romney by one, ties with Santorum on: January 13, 2012, 09:38:26 pm
Not an issue. The undecideds are mostly Republican and independent whites.

You forget how many Yankees live in North Carolina these days.

Not all independent whites in NC are R-leaning anymore. Not to mention the growing Latin-American population...

Romney of course performs acceptably among Yankee votes in general. The poll shows Romney and Santorum winning independents by 20%.

They are winning the independent vote by 20% and are still in a statistical tie with Obama?  That can't be right

Q15 If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican,
press 2. If you are an independent or identify
with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................ 48%
Republican...................................................... 34%
Independent/Other.......................................... 18%

Winning 60% of indies nets you 11% amongs all voters. (34+11=45).
15573  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: What, exactly, would Romney do as POTUS?! on: January 13, 2012, 09:10:43 pm
Go look at his website. Mittens has a tax plan, a boat plan, a plan as to the judges he will appoint, and so forth. His planks are as detailed as anyone else's.

Does Romney even know what's on his website?  Cain sure didn't. 

I want to hear it from the horses mouth, but the mouth only talks in platitudes, which I find very insulting.

"He didn't do active campaigning. He gave one single speech himself. Then his effort at 'campaigning' amounted to going around to the various newspapers and ensuring that it was printed accurately in all them. Whenever he was asked about a position, he would simply say 'Read the speech".

- paraphrase of Newt Gingrich on a FNC program in 2007, speaking favorably about Lincoln's campaigning in the 1860 election.
15574  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: What, exactly, would Romney do as POTUS?! on: January 13, 2012, 09:03:27 pm
The average voter is completely sick of partisanship. This is perhaps best exemplified by the recent surge in the number of registered independents. Those independents want a stand-up guy who is a competent executive that is not obsessed with playing politics 24/7. Romney fits the bill to a T.

Most people do not want ANYBODY's idea of a messiah in the next POTUS. They just want a competent executive who will help get the economy back on track while maintaining American prestige.

this debate is getting nowhere...once again, I don't consider Romney to a non-partisan or a moderate, rather I consider him a 100% pro-Romney. He's trying to win by not leading.

How would you have governed in Mass jmfcst?  Just veto everything, get nothing of your own passed, and have each and every one of your vetoes overridden?  Mittens managed Mass in a fiscally sound manner by the way.

I agree! So why is he not proud of his record and ignores his time as Governor?

Where does this come from? This notion that Romney is running away from his record in MA or even running away from his healthcare law? I have never seen it, especially not the in the debate where he talked about 4 balanced budgets, 19 tax cuts, emergency powers to cut spending from a Dem legislature, etc etc.
15575  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: LOL, Mitt Romney's already flip-flopping to the center on: January 13, 2012, 08:38:33 pm
So there is supposedly a flip flop in that text?
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