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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Separate Elections Amendment (at final vote) on: November 22, 2011, 09:29:35 pm
Aye
15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Living Wage Act (debating) on: November 22, 2011, 09:28:26 pm
Decisions, decisions.


It depends on what size limitation you want. A company with $500,000 in revenue is much smaller then a company with 500,000 in Gross jncome, and considerably smaller then one with 500,000 in net income.

What is the largest size you are comfortable with?
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Living Wage Act (debating) on: November 22, 2011, 09:18:58 pm
This is just possible text, not an amendment

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All employers that make less then $500,000 a year, will be allowed to deduct 15% of the increased labor costs, resulting from the increase in the minimum wage, for the first 12 months of it being in effect. Qualification for the said deduction will be dependent upon no terminations of employment, for the purpose of downsizing, occuring during the period in which this deduction is claimed, unless currently in bankrupcty restructuring or has been losing money for atleast one quarter orior to the termination.
15554  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: How many Governorships will Democrats lose in 2012? on: November 22, 2011, 08:49:55 pm
I far some reason flipped around what each of you guys said. Tongue
15555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Partisan restructuring proposal on: November 22, 2011, 08:40:15 pm
And this would no doubt require use of the party dissolution procedure that I vehemently opposed passage of and continue to view as a violation of a person's freedom of association, correct? 

15556  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: How many Governorships will Democrats lose in 2012? on: November 22, 2011, 07:59:06 pm
Though technically I asked how long ago you guys had one, not how long ago you elected one. So while bgwahs answer is right it is to the wrong question. Tongue
15557  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: AZ PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Gingrich ahead in Arizona on: November 22, 2011, 07:47:08 pm
What percent of the GOP primary electorate is mormon though?


The caucus electorate in NV is 25%-28% mormon despite the state being only 9% overall.
15558  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: PA-PPP: Obama Romney tied at 45% on: November 22, 2011, 07:44:17 pm
This is a mild outlier, 46% of PA voters are not conservatives

Uh, its the same as the last couple PA polls. Toomey/Sestak is probably Romney's ceiling in most counties.

There was a slight homefield advantage for Sestak in Delco that Romney could erase. He might also perform a few points beyond even that threshold, and in Montco. But I doubt he would win either. He might outperform Toomey enough in the SE to counteract the likely increased Democratic turnout. The trick is to, like Toomey, win the blue collar voters in the Lehigh valley and SW PA simultaneously. Doing this Reagan style balancing act between rich and working class conservatives is the key to winning Pennsylvania, and Michigan for that matter.
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Living Wage Act (debating) on: November 22, 2011, 12:18:09 am
It's too late tonight. Damn West Coast and your Pacific time zone!!!! Tongue
15560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: National Initiative Amendment (at final vote) on: November 22, 2011, 12:13:23 am
Aye
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Recall of Senators Amendment (at final vote) on: November 22, 2011, 12:12:25 am
Nay


These levels and terms are unacceptable.
15562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: TPTTAA - RPP Interview/Questions on: November 21, 2011, 11:54:07 pm
A lot of it is the result of people being busy in RL
Do you think this effects the RPP more than the JCP?

Yes, because they have a higher margin of error as a liberal party and a larger poll of voters to pick should 2 or 3 regulars miss the election.
15563  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Mitt Romney quote of the day on: November 21, 2011, 09:10:17 pm
Run on the Prohibition issue, Mitt!

You know you want to.

Deep down, I bet he does.

It might help him with the Tea Party.

I would bet a higher percentage of tea partiers are smokers and beer drinkers then the national average.
15564  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: 10th Thrice-Annual RPP Convention (Leadership Elections - 72 hr Election) on: November 21, 2011, 08:06:58 pm
The following people have been elected to the respective leadership positions:

Party Secretary: Cincinnatus
ME RPP Chairman: Zuwo
IDS RPP Chairman: PiT


This convention is now closed.
15565  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: How many Governorships will Democrats lose in 2012? on: November 21, 2011, 07:52:24 pm
My gut tells me WA will flip.

Has to happen sooner or later. How long has it been since WA had a GOP Governor? 21, 25 years?
15566  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: PPP: Gore/Kerry States not locks for Obama on: November 21, 2011, 07:24:48 pm
The shift in Southwestern Pennsylvania has been developing for a long time.

All of the "OH NOEZ PHILLY SUBURBZ!!!!" people have been crowing about the Southeast forever, but they seem to have missed the fact that Southwestern Pennsylvania is trending away from the Democrats, and it doesn't have anything to do with Obama.

The trend began to develop in 2000 with additional counties flipping in each election since then.

When Fayette and Greene County went for Toomey in 2010 it was an ominous sign for the Democrats. Think about it, anyone will tell you that the margins that Sestak ran up in Philadelphia should have been more than enough to carry him through if the traditional model of a Democrat winning PA Statewide race was going to hold. (Strong Democrat showing in the Southwest and Philly carries the Democrat despite the Republican T.)

If the Southwestern piece of the puzzle falls, Obama is in big big trouble.

Westmoreland County just tossed every single Democrat from the county row offices, the first time that has happened since the Eisenhower years.

People in the Southwest are simply fed up with the Democrats. Obama was able to hold parity in places like Fayette and Greene County (Even though he lost both) in Southwestern Pennsylvania, those days are gone as the ConservaDems in these areas realize that voting for the Republicans isn't going to kill them. Couple that with the massive shift you are seeing in Westmoreland, Washington, Beaver, and Butler; Obama is in big big trouble.

Of those, only Westmoreland is big enough to counteract a big losses in the SE. PA elections are always decided in the East. Not in the SE, but in a strip of counties that spans both SE and NE PA, Bucks, Northampton, Lehigh, Monroe and Luzerne. Toomey won all except the last one, which went for the Admiral. Unless you can swing Allegheny or something, winning PA without the bulk of those Eastern counties is impossible.
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: TPTTAA - RPP Interview/Questions on: November 21, 2011, 06:47:54 pm
Has the RPP taken any steps to integrate the remaining POP members?

As far as back as May of 2010, there were discussions of a merger between the Populares and RPP. The main problem were legitimate fears about Alexander Hamilton, who was still a very big force in Atlasia, even as many as five months hence from his banning. This is was well known by all in the RPP and most of Atlasia. We had spent six months rebuilding our image and merging with a party that everyone viewed as Hamilton's legion, a party which still contained socks of Hamilton, was dead on arrival. Especially once it was revealed that the original plan for a merger had a originated from him.

Once fears of Hamilton dissipated, the main fear become that of a Sharron Angle/Christine O'Donnell/Joe Miller phenomenon, which was ocurring in real life at the very same time. There were a large number of libertarians in the Populares and the fear was they would join with discontented social conservatives in the RPP and go on an African Safari in my rino preserve.

Once that was somewhat passed, it was too late. The Populares still had 20 some members, but no organized political structure. Dallasfan65 was in a no win situation facing a condensed amount of forum time, and no authority to take the party somewhere's else from where it was, which together led to its demise. It didn't help that at various points, some unfornuate incident would occur and such would provoke individual populares members to engage in "revenge acts" against the RPP, either out of anger or a little too much adult beveridge that night. These had long term impacts on how several of the people involved are viewed within the RPP. At times it becomes really annoying. "The hardest thing to govern, is the heart" - Elizabeth I.

At this point, there are maybe 3 or 4 registered Populares remaining that are active, and about 5 or so former Populares in other parties. Depending on the candidate, we can get a third to a half of these voters, but not all of them unfortunately.  A lot of that is more our fault then theres.
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: TPTTAA - RPP Interview/Questions on: November 21, 2011, 06:19:39 pm
Do you think the RPP has failed at GOTV?


It depends on your relative perspective. Considering that we exceeded 80% turnout, it is hard to say we failed at GOTV. For a year prior, the mid 70's was our average. On the other hand, it is true that had Inks, Wonkish and Tb75 turned out last time, we would have a different occupant in the White House. And had Officepark, Smid and tb75 joined the dance this time, and/or if Clarence had registered a week sooner, Cincy would be a Senator. That would have pushed us close to 90% or beyond in terms of turnout.  I beleive that happened last in February of 2009, when the RPP consisted of 22 people and was the largest party in Atlasia. There we run into the fact that a large number of our people have lives and don't have all day to spend in the basement on a political forum. As such, we face an added obstacle right there, yet we still beat everyone else percentage wise.

This is one area we are constantly fine tuning. But 82-85% has been an impregnable ceiling that I doubt will be broken, barring a rare set of circumstances. One big change, is that Regional Chairs were actually pulling their weight for a change rather then most of the work having to fall on myself, Duke and whoever the candidate was. In some places this may have cost or nearly cost us votes, though.

The biggest problem facing the RPP is activity, from top to bottom. A lot of it is the result of people being busy in RL or having lost interest. This is endemic throughout the game and there is little within in the RPP that could be done to solve this in isolation from the rest of the game, though we do plan to try.
15569  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: How many Governorships will Democrats lose in 2012? on: November 21, 2011, 12:27:52 am
Which do you think is more likely to flip, NC or WA? (nevermind my signature Tongue)

NC, your gal has fallen back into the 30's in PPP's latest poll, losing her Hurricaine Momentum.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NC_11041205.pdf

The poll also had GOP tied on generic legislative ballot and prefering GOP legislative leaders to Perdue by 1%. This is inspite of the GOP legislature having the worst approvals.

Also Obama is certain to win WA, NC will be swing state.
15570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: H. E. A. R. T. - Tracking the November 2011 Special Senate Election on: November 20, 2011, 10:47:34 pm
Teddy is a member of the SPA, actually.  And he used his "vote" invalidly for some reason or another.

Teddy doesn't voted while holding the position of SoFE. He posts in the thread so he doesn't get counted as having not voted.
15571  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: How many Governorships will Democrats lose in 2012? on: November 20, 2011, 10:40:02 pm
Best case scenario for the GOP is four, NH, NC, MT, and WA.
15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: H. E. A. R. T. - Tracking the November 2011 Special Senate Election on: November 20, 2011, 10:30:27 pm
Nathan trails Cincinnatus by four votes. The JCP has 14 members left who have not voted, while the RPP has 11.

How are you calculating that. I have far fewer.
15573  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: If Mitt and Huck kiss and make up.......... on: November 20, 2011, 09:42:19 pm
It is a joke similar to "voting early and often" which had it's origins in the days of machine politics from voter fraud, but now just refers to turnout intensity.
15574  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Introduction Thread on: November 20, 2011, 08:14:48 pm
Introduced for a constituent.

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Bacon Cheese Burger Bill
The Bacon Cheese Burger is hereby declared as the National Food of Atlasia.
15575  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI: EPIC/MRA: Romney leads Obama on: November 20, 2011, 07:57:29 pm
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I will say again, don't rely on successfully painting Romney as wanting to break apart GM and sell it to China. If that is your rust belt strategy, you have lost most likely.

I live in Michigan, and I know what the GOP majority in the state legislature is trying to do -- run Michigan as if it were Oklahoma, which is basically "Get what you can while you can". It is as crude as the GOP in neighboring Indiana (for which there are no polls), Wisconsin (for which there are copious polls and they look bad for Republicans) and Ohio (likewise). The GOP has a right-to-work (for much less) bill on the agenda, and we all know what the unions do about that when they can. I am surprised that there is no "right-to-life" bill in the docket.  The Congressional delegation acts as if it has been deputized to serve Texas oil interests and Wall Street hedge fund managers instead of the districts that its members represent, which is good for one term in Congress.  Such will work against any Republican -- even more than any attempt to associate Mitt Romney with his "Go to Hell, Detroit!" approach that might work in Grand Rapids. Michigan's population is heavily concentrated in the Detroit-Lansing-Bay City corridor.

Hundreds of thousands of Michiganders are connected with the auto industry either directly or indirectly. It's so subtle that even if one works for Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Michigan, GM is your employer's biggest customer.

Michigan used to be a haven for moderate  Republicans like Mitt's father -- but that is past. George Romney could defeat Barack Obama this year. Mitt can't if he has to make too many concessions to the Hard Right.   


Ironically, as far as the primary goes, Romney does horribly out in Western Michigan. His base is Detroit Metro.

Your labeling of what Romney called for as "Go to hell Detroit" is just as bad as what I warned against in "shipping them to China". All you are doing is giving Mitt a chance to illustrate economic credibility. He'll remind people that Obama resorted to a bankruptcy, what bankruptcy restructuring is and if pressed on the lack of bankruptcy funding, don't be surprised if Slick Mittens were to say he would have supported gov't backed loans or even direct gov't loans in such a "rare contigency as the credit crisis".

One must also remember, that in the context of article being discussed, "bailout" was referencing not the Obama bailout or even the Bush bailout, but the bailout the executives wanted in late 2008. Which was "Give us tax dollars or the world ends tomorrow". I am surprised that so many labor Dems are bitching about Romney refusing to support such a no consquences taxpayer give away. If that was the GOP plan and they were the ones in charge in early 2009, the Democrats, including yourself most likely, would be outraged. I thought you guys were for there being consequences for executives who fail. Romney's plan would have fired them. Let's say I were to claim you guys wanted "Detroit to go to hell" based on those objections from the Democrats, in such a scenario. A very plausible one if McCain had won the election, I might add. Both attacks are a distortion to fit a campaign narrative.
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