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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Campaigning for Invalidation of Votes Act Amendment (debating) on: September 24, 2011, 10:25:37 pm
Well if I hadn't forgotten to do so, I would have voted aye on the amendment. I wanted enough time to think it over and made a decision when still had time to vote, but other matters came up and it got forgotten. The reason I had decided to vote as such was because from my interpretation bgwah's arguement about the enforceability of the law tip the scale since it removed a justification for having a separate law as well as somewhat related provisions in the CCJA.
15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Dr. Cynic for SoIA on: September 24, 2011, 10:20:31 pm
Do you forsee any future such trips to the Land Down Under? Tongue
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: OSPR Amendment (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 10:13:38 pm
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6. After a motion for cloture has been made, no Amendment(s) to the legislation under consideration may be introduced unless said motion is rejected by the Senate.



Unless Snowguy's motion for cloture is rescinded, no new amendments maybe entered/considered, till cloture is voted down.
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Closing the Enormous Budget Deficit in Atlasian Healthcare on: September 24, 2011, 09:45:18 pm
I think an extensive overhaul is too much to include into the Comprehensive Social Security Bill, a bill that is already fairly extensive.

In my opinion we should include the recommendations made to serve as an inducement to complete a more balanced and extensive reform of the ANHA, and do so relatively quickly. That will allow us to pass the CSS within the next week or so and get it off the floor.
15555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 09:30:22 pm
There is certainly a lot of great ideas here to be considered as part of a mixed package. This issue in and of itself could and probably should consitute a separate bill. I have gone ahead and offered shua and I's preposals as amendments this. If passed we would still have till January (and it will still only be 3% at that point) to deal with this in more balance fashion before any changes occur, and at the same time ensure that it does get done and relatively quickly.  With the lessons of how long this bill took to get done, I think having a looming deadline is a wise course, as that would put pressure to ensure that a more complete overhaul of the Health care system is accomplished and somewhat quickly.
15556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Dr. Cynic for SoIA on: September 24, 2011, 09:18:44 pm
Dr. Cynic, it has been alleged that you were recently involved in subersive activities against the gov't of Atlasia. Tell me, are you a loyal Atlasian, Dr. Cynic? Tongue


Also, it has been stated that you were once fired from I beleive this same position. Why were you fired and what will you do to prevent that from happening this time?
15557  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 09:14:02 pm
I am offering two separate amendments here because while the actually changes might be controversial, the implementation of whatever change that is enventually used will almost undoubtedly conflict with Section 8.
I offer the following amendment as an addition to the current Section 8:

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Section 8, Clause 5 shall be included as follows:
5. The terms of this section shall not be applicable to Section 4 of this act, titled "Health Insurance".



I offer the following Amendment to Section 4 to deal with the Underfunded issue in HC:
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Section 4: Health Insurance
1. The present 1.45% medicare payroll tax levied on both employees and employers is renamed the Health Care Payroll Tax
2. The Health Care Payroll Tax rate applied to both employers and employees shall rise from 1.45% to 3% on January 1st, 2012, from 3% to 4.5% on April 1st, 2012, from 4.5% to 6.0% on July 1st, 2012, and finally from 6.0% to 6.5% on September 1st, 2012.
3. The rest of the Atlasian National Health Care Act shall remain unchanged.

Clauses 1 and 2, shall be inserted as the third and fourth bulleted items in clause (c.), of Section 2, of the Atlasian National Health Care Act


15558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 08:37:28 pm
I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

^^^

Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=141263.0
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Closing the Enormous Budget Deficit in Atlasian Healthcare on: September 24, 2011, 08:35:46 pm

To deal with this deficit of about $600 billion dollars, shua suggested three different tax ideas, which I then forwarded to the GM, Marokai Blue, for review. These options were to increase incomes taxes to 115% of their current levels, a 5% Health care payroll tax (replacing the current 1.45% Medicare payroll tax), and a 6% Value Added tax. In the review, it was revealed that both the income tax option and the VAT option didn't raise enough money. The Income tax hike raised only about $250 billion a year, while the 6% VAT would raise even less at $235.75 billion. The 5% payroll tax would bring in around $424 billion a year because it was in place of the 1.45% tax, and not on top of it and as such it is a 3.55% net tax increase rather then a net 5% increase which would yield $600 billion or so.

We decided that a VAT would have too great an impact on the economy, at the levels that would be necessary to fund this program. According to the GM, a 2% increase has put "250,000 jobs at risk" in the UK. Now, while the GM stated that "at risk" wasn't defined, it is definately concerning that with a significantly larger a economy, that a VAT tax of three times that much could have a very significant impact on the jobs picture and probably far more then payroll tax increase would. It would certainly wipe out the projected growth for several quarters to come. A similar problem occurs with the income tax hike proposal, as a 15% increase (115% of current levels) would only yield about 40% of the needed funds. A 15% increase brings the top bracket to 69%, so we would need to have almost Ike level rates to cover the costs. And this wouldn't just be on the top bracket. Everyone would face a 30% hike or more to cover the cost.


Considering the deficit we are facing and the likilihood of it expanding further we decided that the least bad option would be to institute a 6.5% Health Care payroll tax  to realize the full net $600 billion or so of the 5% increase, which would cover the gap entirely once fully implemented. It is a system, while certainly flawed is a system that is in place already and would present the fewest problems. In order to ease the impact of the transition, implementation would be delayed and then staggered over several months. Both shua and I recommend that future action be taken to further ease the impact, including possible tax cuts eslewhere balanced with spending cuts so as to not affect the deficit, and/or possible tax deductions/credits to employers so as to not drastically increase unemployment as the payroll tax the period in which the payroll tax reaches its full extent.

I developed the following implementation Schedule (Revised):
Current 1.45% - renamed as the Health Care Payroll Tax if not already done so.
January 3%
April 4.5%
July 6%
September 6.5%


All three options basically violate the cap set in Section 8 of the Comprehensive Social Security that the tax burden be not raised by more then 10%. However considering this should have been done two years ago as a part of the HC bill, I think it reasonable to include an exemption into Section 8 regarding Section 4 (Health Care) of the Comprehensive Social Security Act.
15560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NOTICE: by-election (special election) for Senate. Sept 29 on: September 24, 2011, 06:08:22 pm
Teddy, do you have a link to a wiki page or something that details how the Absentee voting process is setup?


Thanks in advance. Smiley
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Support for the Sudanese Act (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 06:04:49 pm
And unfortunately, the SoEA is unavailable till Monday.
15562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Senate office of NC Yankee (CONSTITUENT SERVICES WILL NOT BE INTERRUPTED!!!) on: September 24, 2011, 05:50:12 pm
Press Conference -

Ladies and Gentleman. For the past two days there have been a "domestic disturbance" in the states of Florida, Alabama and Georgia. Though the details and how these will end is still unclear, we will not allow important services provided by our offices to be disturbed and as such our offices will remain open in each of the above three mentioned states. We have brought in additional security which we consider appropriate for the situation (Machine Gun Nests and Mortars and other reasonable measures), because we realize that our staff is likely a potential target should the situation get out of hand.

As to the situations themselves, we certainly sympathize with the demands for more interesting and more fun Atlasia, however the Senator doesn't support or condone any treasonous acts against the gov't of Atlasia. If you want a more active Atlasia, then you should get in the game more. Find important issues that need to be addressed and press candidates with advocacy groups and the like to embrace them or run for office yourself if no one will listen. There is no magic bullet reform package to make Atlasia active, that rests with individual people and the individual choices they make.

I will know take any questions from the Press.


15563  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Support for the Sudanese Act (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 05:21:48 pm
I am going to go ahead and offer this amendment and get these changes taken care off:


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All instances of IDS in the preamble shall be replaced with Atlasia.

Section 2 is stricken from the text.


I contacted the SoEA about getting a suggest list of the best agencies and groups which to increase aid to, and how much to increase it to make 1c a functional change in federal policy.
15564  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Great Primary Calendar re-shuffle Megathread on: September 24, 2011, 04:59:48 pm
WOO!!! It's official. Colorado moves up to Feb 7, the day after Iowa (for now) Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy 

So this is what a Rocky Mountain High looks like? Tongue
15565  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI: Marketing Resource Group: Obama leads Romney by 1, Perry by 11 on: September 24, 2011, 04:54:43 pm
The facts just don't back your assertion that Romney is moving too far right in the primary. This is a standard talking point that I have seen before. That Romney will have to destroy his general election chances to get through the primary. However, the actions his campaign have taken haven't followed that predicted path/strategy. He has pursued a strategy of seeking to maintain his electability arguement. Hence why he so aggressively pushed Perry on the ponzi scheme comments even if it would have no effect on the primary, because it served to destroy Perry's parity in national polling with Romney (Perry has gone from performing about 3% worse which can be attributed to name recognition to about 10% worse then Romney, which means he has been caricatured along with Bachmann and Palin as a nutcase). Romney has also sought to show himself as the traditional and sane GOP candidate, in a field of crazies. I am sorry, but this is not a pander to the base primary strategy like he used in 2007, and as such your mischaracterization moves into the territory of bordering on being a complete factual innaccuracy.
15566  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI: Marketing Resource Group: Obama leads Romney by 1, Perry by 11 on: September 24, 2011, 04:43:06 pm
I hate to break it to you, but we never disagreed on that. The source of your mischaracterization is described in the second post and deals with your use of the word "desperately" in reference to Romney seeking to connect with the TP. He isn't desperately doing anything. He is methodically taking steps to bring himself in line with the general electorate in a very risky way, even though the primary is still going on. And so far he hasn't done himself any real damage by doing so. If anything Romney is brazenly differentiating himself from the TP where he thinks he can get away with it.


If he were "desperately" seeking to bring himself in line with the TP, would he:

1) Say Global Warming is real and caused by humans?
2) Stand by his individual mandate in MA?
3) Say Obama isn't a Marxist?


Romney has done all of those things and more. If he were frantically working to bring himself in line with the TP out of desperation, as you said, wouldn't convicted flip flopper Mitt Romney just say the mandate was a mistake and that he would not do it again, that AGW is fake and made up by scientists, and that Obama was a marxist anti-colonialist?
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 01:03:56 am
I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.

Antonio deserves all the credit. He took on a massive undertaking even without the translation issues and kinks and so forth. No one person could be expected to do even half as much with perfection, and it showed that really Senators have to engage in peer review more, use the collective knowledge to fill in the gaps and correct the mistakes. This took far too long to occur on a mass basis. One person would take a crack at it till he was burned out and then it would languish. The other major obstacle was lack of a true evaluation by a GM to give us direction, which we finally got in July (Marokai Blue to rescue with that "30 minute" review Tongue).
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 12:47:41 am
I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

^^^

Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.
15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: OSPR Amendment (Debating) on: September 24, 2011, 12:45:35 am
We have included quite a bit in this one and adding further might be too much. We also have another OSPR amendment in the queue that shouldn't be that far away from coming up that we chould always attach five or six more changes to. Half of it has been included in this one, so it has plenty of room. But I think Napoleon should have final say over how much is overload here, since it is his amendment.

15570  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI: Marketing Resource Group: Obama leads Romney by 1, Perry by 11 on: September 23, 2011, 11:50:54 pm
He is trying to connect with them, yes.
He is currently in a position to left of them and regarded with suspicioun, yes.

Is he frantically doing everything possible to make himself 100% in line with the TP, no. He hasn't abandoned his mandate and even treaded into dangerous territory last week, basically undermining the legal suit against Obamacare in the process of defending his own plan, when asked a question abotu it at a townhall or something of that nature. Use of the word "desperately" is extremely misleading and thus you are mischaracterizing via over generalization here.

I now see that for once in a billion times, Limbaugh was right. The instate tuition for illegals has done more harm to Perry, than the HPV nonesense. It is hard to effectively make a case that a guy is corrupt unless you have enough convincing evidence to send him to jail or atleast court, at which point it doesn't matter because they are out of campaign. Yea, the mandate aspect conflicts with the TP dogma, but it's really trivial in nature. Just one more thing weighing down the camel. Alone, it is nothing without the corruption aspect of it. Supporting In-state tuition for illegals and then saying to oppose it is immorall, that drives a wedge right between Perry and his base. Cleaves it like a sharp knife.

15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia: September Regional Senator Approval Ratings on: September 23, 2011, 11:32:29 pm
How about recall provisions of some sort? Allow a region to recall a failing Senator. There is also the special election idea which shua has suggested, though this is hardly a thing that is reserved to appointed Senators only.

This isn't the first time this has happened with a Senator basically not even being there, except in name only.

15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regarding the current secession movement on: September 23, 2011, 11:12:59 pm
There is no policy of activity that can be pursued by any one politician to solve the problem. Activity is something that occurs, when people arouse to political motivation and push for something aggressively. The something can be anything from economic/social justice, to ensuring everyone has access to free cocaine.

15573  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI: Marketing Resource Group: Obama leads Romney by 1, Perry by 11 on: September 23, 2011, 10:49:38 pm
So your only problem with the auto bailout is that it was a few months late? How many job losses do you think that led to? Rather than what would have happened if the far right got their way, Yank? I doubt Romney is going to run on a platform supporting Obama's plan, is he? Even if he supposedly did come up with it first?

And if you think Obama did it worse, what exactly did he do that was so wrong? Except for diddly daddling around. We already know he isn't the best leader out there, but at least he didn't let Detroit, Michigan and the surrounding states go into a real depression. That's what most of your party wanted Yank! You cannot deny that.

The bailouts here really did work, as opposed to on Wall Street. Public Private partnerships are the way to go. Your party needs to understand that or they need to go the way of the Federalists, Whigs and the Know nothings.

Pure Laissez faire Capitalism has never worked, never will.

OH NO!!! Oh Yeah!!! Alright!!! It's your turn.  

But what the far right wanted isn't the point. If Romney is nominee (our little scenario we are playing with here), you have two people who wanted to save Detroit. You can't run against Bachmann or Perry, unless Bachmann or Perry is the nominee. If it is Romney, you have to run against Romney. Of course Romney isn't going to run on supporting Obama's plan. He is going to say Obama screwed around, played politics, worried about optics, before finally accepting reality billions of dollars, thousands of jobs, and five months too late (can't blame him for the first month, since Bush was still in office). Is that not a legitimate arguement to have, and one that the people of MI would be very interested in hearing? Yes, we know Obama isn't a good leader, we are political junkies. A lot of people would decide to vote against someone based on that, Sbane.

The only way to not have this discussion is to successfully establish a falsehood, that Romney wanted Detroit to drop dead. If you fail, you then ensure the discussion above will occur. Depending on the campaigns run, anything is possible and failure is certainly a big risk to trying to use this strategy, unless there isn't enough time allowed for it to fail (last days of the campaign).

When have I ever given a damn about "what most of the GOP thinks", sbane? Tongue Most of them don't even know what they think, just what they are programed to receive. Same with most of the Democrats, for the most part. And of course most of them in both parties checked out a long time ago, but of course they never leave. If you want to talk about how to make them, lets meet in the redistricting board and debate how CA can spread the wealth of non-partisan reform. Tongue
15574  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI: Marketing Resource Group: Obama leads Romney by 1, Perry by 11 on: September 23, 2011, 10:26:59 pm
It is not a mischaracterization to refer to the tea party as conservative.  Most of them admit to being conservative.  Being unable to reference political reality is your problem, and reality doesn't yield to your analysis Smiley

A mischaracterization doesn't mean something is necessarilly false. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I never called your references to the TP as being conservative as such. That is obviously the case. What I was referring to was "Romney desperately connecting with base" and the part where "conservative policies have failed".

Romney is connecting with the base, but he isn't doing it as thoroughly as you suggested. He hasn't abandoned his health care bill or the mandate in it. That is why I called it a generalization, which mischaracterizes the situation by giving the impression that Romney is converting, changing everything about him to satisfy the TP.

As for the other, that is completely up to one's opinion. Any ideology fails when taking to extreme. In this case we have seen extreme deregulation, combined with extreme regulation, plus a little incompetence and corruption, create one hell of a giant economic mess. I'll stop here, because I have already gone roller skating in the buffalo herd with you once already, and another tangent would only confuse and distract. In short, one debate at a time. Wink
15575  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: It is clear the GOP is still looking for a candidate on: September 23, 2011, 10:17:35 pm
I think we saw in two months what took three years to play out with Obama. A candidate comes along who is overhyped and a bandwagon affect occurs amongst people desperate for someone, anyone other then what they have now. Then as they see what they are actually getting, the magic vanishes and is replaced with panic and despair.

They real question is who gets a 'second' chance?

the rest are all too extreme (Paul) or tainted (Newt) or both (Santorum).

What the GOP grassroots wanted was a Ryan/Rubio kind of ticket....but Ryan has said no.

...I still think my economic and environmental views (willing to spend on our energy infrastructure in order to keep a good portion of $700B we're sending overseas each year for oil, willing to protect the oceans so that fish stocks can rebound, cutting ties to Japan unless they stop whaling, etc, etc) would be a good sell to the GOP and to the nation during the general election....the problem is these pols, on both sides of the isle, have ZERO imagination to rebuild this country and they stand for very little.

There is a problem with Ryan that would manifest itself if he rose beyond Budget Chair. It's the dirty word that begins with the letter I, that just screwed Perry six ways to Sunday. Christie also has the same problem, by the way. It is not surprising considering that Ryan is a protege of Jack Kemp, that he would also share Kemp's views on this.

That is one thing about Romney that set's him apart from most of the semi-Moderate/Economic Conservatives. He hasn't sold himself to the WSJ and the COC on immigration. Even though Romney supports legal immigration and supported increased levels of such in 2007 (this time Romney has linked it to direct economic need rather than blanket increases), the deal breaker for these irreconcilable corporate suits is the opposition to Amnesty, the support for an employment verification system, and amongst some even just the call for more border security. All three hurt the bottom line. This is why the establishment isn't completely behind Romney and there is just as much desperation for more candidates amongst them as there is amongst conservatives.

There isn't a WSJ/COC candidate in this race at this time, save possibly for Huntsman. Perry was actually being considered for this spot and it's vast amounts of money. But that was yesterday and this is today.
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