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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Natural Disaster Relief Act of 2011 (At Final Vote) on: September 05, 2011, 11:19:04 pm
UC doesn't skip a final vote, Snowguy. It's like a trolley to get you to it quicker.



A Final Vote is now open on this bill, Senators please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Empowering Regions in Elections Amendment (At Final Vote) on: September 05, 2011, 07:39:13 pm
With 5 nays and 3 ayes, this bill has enough votes to fail. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Reintroduction for the 45th Senate on: September 05, 2011, 07:25:42 pm
It probably got deleted by accident either by mistaken for the earlier one or the bill right next to it that is no longer in the introduction thread but is still in the queue. The "Animal Testing is Wrong Act", doesn't seem to be there anymore.

Edit: I have reentered them into their proper place in the queue (in both the 44th and 45th Noticeboards).
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: PPT Declaration Thread for 45th Senate on: September 05, 2011, 06:41:19 pm
bgwah has waited patiently for quite while and both wants and deserves this. Meanwhile the last few times I have run without really wanting to because I felt I would be letting someone down if I didn't. So while I won't presume to know the results of this election, I will wish him the best in the "chance" Wink that he wins. 


I'll will run again for President Pro-Tempore of the Senate, if for the no other reason then to atleast ensure a friendly competition. Smiley




15555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Empowering Regions in Elections Amendment (At Final Vote) on: September 05, 2011, 05:59:56 pm
Nay, nay, nay

Jesus, man, now need to go all excessive, there is already more then enough to fail this. Tongue
15556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy on: September 05, 2011, 05:48:18 pm
Perhaps you shouldn't assume stuff. Preview often jams my connection.


Winfield, the problem here is you are using the wrong approach to protect the almighty vote and in so doing you are putting the innocent voter who just happens to not be able to afford a higher speed internet connection at an unfair disadvantage when it comes to voting. I have a notoriously crappy internet connection. My posts get messed up all the time because of it. Usually the times when it does this, is also the worst time to be quickly navigating pages (delays modification), or trying to use an interactive feature (Like preview). Do I just not vote if this happens to occur when I try to vote?

If you want to prevent intimidation, go after the intimidator, not the voter.


15557  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: General Senatorial Discussion on: September 05, 2011, 05:09:14 pm
New Order of Seniority
NC Yankee  2009
AHDuke99 2010
Bgwah  2010
Snowguy716  2011
Fuzzybigfoot 2011
Napoleon 2011
Officepark 2011
Jbrase 2011
BRTD 2011
TBD
15558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy on: September 05, 2011, 04:48:15 pm
Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?

If nothing is recorded at the bottom of the post, then for purposes of the official record, there is no editing that has taken place.  Besides, it would be impossible for someone to see there is a vote they want changed or invalidated, send a PM to someone pressuring them to change or invalidate their vote, have the recipient see they have a PM and read it, have the recipient change or invalidate their vote, all within two minutes.


Then you aren't eliminating the modification period, just reducing it to two minutes. And if all you can do is reduce it, then such a change should take into account slower connection speeds, because otherwise those with faster connections will always be able to modify and those with slower ones may get screwed out of their votes by a few seconds.
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act (Debating) on: September 05, 2011, 04:33:20 pm
Quote from: Amendment 45:2 by Fuzzybigfoot
4.) $10 billion shall be appropriated for the construction of a high speed rail line connecting the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul MN, Madison and Milwaukee WI, and Chicago IL


Sponsor Feedback: Friendly
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object to passage of the amendment
15560  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I think that the arguments in politics need to change on: September 05, 2011, 12:28:00 am
Why not Utah, also?

The number of mormons is slowly declining and the non mormons are as Dem as mormons are Republican.

This divide is not as pronounced in Idaho where the non-mormon part of the state votes like Eastern Washington does. A decline in Idaho's mormon population wouldn't affect the state politically as it will Utah.
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Winfield for President..........because someone has to defend democracy on: September 05, 2011, 12:19:52 am
Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?
15562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (VOTING AMENDMENT) on: September 05, 2011, 12:03:41 am
Yankee, may I ask why the proposal to keep the ANHA as it is? I thought we had discussed that the funding mechanism as is isn't sustainable.

I know and I agree.  This bill as currently constructed would shut down all previous welfare agencies and such, including the health care law's and then create a new healthcare bureacracy. Too me that just seems to double down on the ramping up and setup costs incurred as part of the healthcare law. Instead of doing that, this amendment would keep the previous structures in place as established in that previous act. We can then go in and change the funding mechanism only.
15563  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I think that the arguments in politics need to change on: September 04, 2011, 11:50:11 pm
If the Democrats threw the poor/labor/working class under the bus, the political map would look something like this:



A fine outcome for Republicans. I'll take it; please do.

Note: I'm assuming the Democrats keep minoritites becase minorities are "different".

Why is Idaho and Wyoming so weak?
15564  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I think that the arguments in politics need to change on: September 04, 2011, 11:47:08 pm
Because a Democratic party with that overt message would doom itself to perpetual minority status (though their popularity among college students would remain solid).  Most people will see opposition to at least one of your 'Republican' characteristics as offensive to themselves, their values or their aspirations.  And one of those groups will be the people who have the most children.

Ironically, I'm lazy, unmarried, and agnostic, and would never vote for a party explicitly opposed to hard work, marriage, or attending Church.

As I said earlier that's why the Hart-Cellar Act was passed so we could gain a new constituency to offset that.

Most immigrants are hard-working, married or intend to marry, and consider themselves at least somewhat religious.

And by virtue of necessity, as they get bigger in number, the Republicans will seek to peel off more and more groups to try and even the numbers amongst minorities. Like Cubans and the Evangelical Hispanics, oh wait, they already win those. Tongue
15565  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which operating system(s) do you use? on: September 04, 2011, 11:41:03 pm
Windows XP on my primary computer. I have two other computers with Windows 98 and Windows 95 respectively.
15566  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act (Debating) on: September 04, 2011, 11:29:41 pm
Quote from: Amendment 45:2 by Fuzzybigfoot
4.) $10 billion shall be appropriated for the construction of a high speed rail line connecting the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul MN, Madison and Milwaukee WI, and Chicago IL


Sponsor Feedback: Invalid Entry
Status: Awaiting Sponsor feedback
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (VOTING AMENDMENT) on: September 04, 2011, 11:22:07 pm
Text on page 19: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131056.msg2947844#msg2947844

Section 6 has been eliminated: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131056.msg2951264#msg2951264

No other changes have been entered that I can see, yet.
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (VOTING AMENDMENT) on: September 04, 2011, 11:20:07 pm
With a formal request to transfer sponsorship to NC Yankee, Senators have 72 hours to object to the transfer of sponsorship.

Another of Marokai Blue's Recommendations:

Quote from: Amendment 45:3 by Senator NC Yankee
Section 4 is amended as follows:

1. The Atlasian National Healthcare Act shall be maintained in its present form.

Sponsor Feedback: SB 4729101 ERROR, No sponsor was found in the database during the timeout period, please insert new Sponsor parameters.
Status: Sitting on this till the other one is finished.
15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Student Loan Protection Act (Debating) on: September 04, 2011, 10:59:48 pm
Quote from: Amendment 45:1 by AHDuke99
Student Loan Protection Act

Section I
1. Students attending for-profit universities, defined in section 2, shall not be eligible for financial aid through the Bureau of Student Finance.

Section II
1. For-profit universities shall be defined as any educational institution that is run by a private, profit-seeking company or organization.
2. Universities who make profits solely based on athletic events and merchandise licensing shall not be considered "profit-seeking" universities.
3. Public, tax payer funded state universities shall never be considered "for-profit" universities.

Sponsor Feedback: Friendly
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object to the passage of the above amendment. 
15570  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: US House Redistricting: North Carolina on: September 04, 2011, 10:57:07 pm
He is probably better off in the 8th.
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Introduction Thread on: September 04, 2011, 10:43:16 pm
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Second Massive OSPR Amendment

"Bringing Further Compliance with the Oversight Amendment"
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2 is Amended as follows:
The phrase "Article 7" is replaced with "Article 8"


"Fixing the Problem that led to the Unintentional Removal of the Anti-Clogging Clause"
Article 3, Section 1, Clause 1 is amended as follows:
1. The PPT shall establish and maintain a thread for Senators to introduce legislation, to be further known in this document as the Legislation Introduction Thread. Only Senators who presently hold elected office may be allowed to post in this thread. Any Citizens or Individuals who post in this thread may be subject to legal action pursuant to the relevant clauses in federal Criminal Law legislation so passed by the Senate.
      a. Any legislation, that seeks to amend existing legislation, the OSPR, or the Constitution, must contain clear instructions as to how the legislation will the change that original text. Unless the new legislation is clearly stated to replace the entire text, parts of the text not referenced in the new legislation shall remain unchanged.   
      b. Lack of clarity regarding the intended effect of the legislation seeking to amend existing legislation, the OSPR, or the Constitution, will be considered grounds to have the amendment declared functionally impractical according to Article 4, Section 2, Clause 4, at the PPT's discretion.

"Restoration of the End to Clogging Resolution"
Article 3, Section 2 is amended as follows:

3. In the event that one Senator has introduced four or more bills is succession, and another Senator has introduced another bill subsequent to the Senator, the PPT shall place no more than three of the original Senator's bills on the Senate floor at a time.

All existing and subsequent clauses are renumbered accordingly.

 
"Ensuring the Same Problem doesn't impact Amendments to bills"
Article 4, Section 2, Clause 1 is amended as follows:

1. At any time during the debate on a piece of legislation under consideration on the Senate floor, a senator may propose Amendments to said legislation.
      a. An amendment must contain instructions as to how it modifies the text of the legislation. Unless the amendment is stated to replace an entire text, parts of the text not referenced in the amendment shall remain unchanged.
      b. Lack of clarity regarding the intended of the amendment on the text, will be considered grounds to have the amendment declared functionally impractical according to Article 4, Section 2, Clause 4, at the PPT's discretion.


"Allowing Other Means to End a Vote"
Article 5, Section 1, Clause 3 is amendment as follows:

In the event that a final vote has started the PPT shall have the power to stop said vote if a proposed amendment to a piece of legislation, resolution or amendment has been missed. If other "special situations" arise requiring an end to a vote, the PPT may halt the vote and declare the commencement of a 72 hour objection period to the halting of the vote, during which any Senator may object and with the concurrence of 2/3rd's of the Senate, overturn the halting of a vote.
15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Bovine Protection Act (Amendment at Vote) on: September 04, 2011, 10:03:46 pm
Aye
15573  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Empowering Regions in Elections Amendment (At Final Vote) on: September 04, 2011, 09:51:13 pm
Aye
15574  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act (Debating) on: September 04, 2011, 09:48:52 pm
Any amendments? Further debate?
15575  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (VOTING AMENDMENT) on: September 04, 2011, 09:45:12 pm
Senators have 24 hours to object to Amendment 44:41.
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