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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: PPT and Committee thread for the 52nd Senate on: November 02, 2012, 10:45:19 am
Now you can demand it be completed in 24 hours by demanding everyone vote in that span, but you can't close it if they don't unless 6 vote for the same person.

15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: PPT and Committee thread for the 52nd Senate on: November 02, 2012, 10:43:27 am
It is minimum 48 hours for the declaration periods, not 36. Tongue

The PPT election has a minimum span of five days or until someone gets a majority of the votes.

Committees:
Government Oversight and Reform
National Security
Judiciary
Internal Affairs
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: SENATE PERFORMANCE TOWNHALL - Question the Power Here Too! on: November 02, 2012, 10:40:18 am
And yet, the individual approval ratings are sky high. The average is still 67% in spite of Bacon King and Townsend's devasting drops, largely because MArokai, Hagrid and myself had large surges in approvals. Two of us are old and one of us is new. NVTownsend is relatively new and BK is old as the hills. Why would such a trend be manifest in the approval of the body, rather than the approval of the individuals themselves?
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Did atlsia get hit by a hurricane? on: November 02, 2012, 10:33:32 am
I think we should change the practice of "assume it happened unless the GM says otherwise" and have the GM at the very least acknowledge that it has happened and transfer parts of the RL situation into the game. He can then modify or adapt it as necessary. As Game Moderator, it would make sense him to regulate and control the flow of RL events in this manner and then parts of the Gov'ts wouldn't have to make an assumption that other parts don't make or don't make the same way and thus you would have a "disaster response". And if such is lacking or insufficient, it would thne become a campaign issue in the next election.
15555  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Official Absentee & Early Voting Reports Thread on: November 01, 2012, 10:59:17 pm
In the past, Washoe determined the winner of Nevada. However it is possible, that Washoe could go say Romney by 4 or 5 and still have Obama win Nevada based on Clark alone. Nevada is a state that is rapidly changing.

It does bode better for Heller though, since he probably will outrun Romney a greater then his statewide outrunning, in Washoe.

15556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: General Senatorial Discussion on: November 01, 2012, 02:02:54 pm
I contacted Nathan just yesterday morning and he let me he was ill. He thus may or may not be able to start up the Senate tomorrow on time.

Rather than risk getting a horrible start like last time, I will start it all by Saturday morning as a fail safe in case he can't.

I still am not really that desiring of being PPT yet again, as I said in my Senate Campaign. I had thought Scott would be the best replacement, but unfortunately, he is no more (I killed him actually, that Governor stuff is all just an elaborate cover up. I had his named legally changed to Steve and am manipulating his body with my millenium rod. Shhhh! Tongue). Therefore is anyone else interested in taking the position?

 
15557  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: General Senatorial Discussion on: November 01, 2012, 01:52:38 pm
President of the Senate: Vice President Nathan

Senate Order of Senority
NC Yankee July 2009 - Senate President Pro-Tempore
Sbane Mar 2012 - Senate Dean
Benconstine Mar 2012
Redalgo July 2012
Marokai Blue Sept 2012
HagridoftheDeep Sept 2012
Franzl Oct 2012
Averroës Nix Oct 2012
Vacant
Vacant

If I had retired and Ben had lost, Marokai would be the senior most senator at noon tomorrow, after serving just two months. Tongue And you thought Halloween was yesterday only. That is some turnover.
15558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE: Gov't Oversight and Reform (Recommendations) on: November 01, 2012, 01:42:46 pm
When this committee gets back up and running, I want to proceed with the discussion on the committee startup procedures. Yes we passed the "Get it Over With Resolution", but I still think there will be concerns going forward and certain further aspects that will need to be addressed if we don't wnat these to become a mess again The biggest one is selecting and establishing a clearer voting procedure, when if memory serves me, wasn't really addressed in that resolution.

Then the next topic is the wiki.
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The 'DREAM' Act (Debating) on: November 01, 2012, 01:34:04 pm
Quote from: Amendment 50:31 by Franzl
A BILL

To provide a path to citizenship for offsprings of undocumented migrants

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled.

SECTION 1. TITLE

This legislation may be cited as the ‘Development, Relief, and Education Act for Alien Minors’ or the ‘DREAM Act.’

SECTION 2. PERMANENT RESIDENCY FOR ALIEN MINORS

Undocumented migrants below the age of eighteen that arrived to the Republic of Atlasia before the year 2012 will be afforded permanent residency status, provided that the following standards are met:

  • The undocumented migrant lacks a criminal record or any recorded history of juvenile acts
  • The undocumented migrant undergoes security and background checks
  • The undocumented migrant undergoes a medical examination and submits biometric information
  • The undocumented migrant graduates from an Atlasian high school with a minimum GPA of 3.10 and without any history of suspensions or expulsions
  • The undocumented migrant demonstrates the ability to read, write, and speak English and demonstrates knowledge and understanding of the fundamentals of the history, principles, and form of government of the Republic of Atlasia
  • The undocumented migrant serves a period of at least two years in the Atlasian military and, if discharged, receives an honorary discharge, or completes four years at an institution of higher learning
  • The undocumented migrant lives in the Republic of Atlasia at least five years prior to the enactment of this legislation

SECTION 3. RESTRICTIONS

1.) Citizenship status possibilities will be revoked from any undocumented migrant who has done the following:

  • Has committed one felony or three misdemeanors
  • Has engaged in voter fraud or unlawful voting
  • Has committed marriage fraud
  • Has abused a student visa
  • Has engaged in persecution, or;

2.) Undocumented migrants that are guilty of the previously mentioned activities may be subject to deportation or detainment.  Penalties shall be determined in a court of law.

SECTION 4. IMPLEMENTATION

$25 billion will be allocated to the Department of Internal Affairs for implementation of this law.

Sponsor Feedback: Friendly
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.
15560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The 'DREAM' Act (Debating) on: November 01, 2012, 01:32:38 pm
I thought you wanted to wait Tongue  50:31 is also friendly.
Until my amendmnet was done, yeah. But if I had the feedback thne and there it would have been efficient to dive right into the next one, after 50:30 was done. Tongue
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Additional Expansion of Emergency Credit Act (Debating) on: November 01, 2012, 01:24:47 pm
Senator, you 24 hours to advocate for this in a substantive fashion.


Only took a whole Senate to get through all of your first wave of overall inferior bills.


Do the credit markets present a significant hindrance to small business formation and on-going operations like it did back in 2009? That is the key to determining whether this will work. If not, then I will likely oppose this out of a desire to not goose up a bubble in small business.
15562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / SENATE BILL: Additional Expansion of Emergency Credit Act (Tabled) on: November 01, 2012, 01:21:31 pm
Quote
Additional Expansion of Emergency Credit Act

1. An additional 40 billion dollars is appropriated for the purposes outlined in Section 1, Clause 2 of the Emergency Credit Access Act.

2. An additional 80 billion dollars is appropriated for the purposes outlined in Section 1, Clause 3 of the Emergency Credit Access Act.

Sponsor: Marokai Blue
15563  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: LGBT Dignity Act (Amendment at Vote) on: November 01, 2012, 01:18:51 pm
HAGRID! MAROKAI!! REDALGO!!! SBANE!!!!


YOU ARE ANGERING MY INNER BEAST!!! Angry
15564  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: LGBT Dignity Act (Amendment at Vote) on: November 01, 2012, 01:17:12 pm
AYE!
15565  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: October 2012 Foreign Policy Review (Debating) on: November 01, 2012, 01:13:55 pm
So are we expecting there to be any amendments here?
15566  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Get It Over With Resolution (Passed) on: November 01, 2012, 01:02:30 pm
Aye - Not how I would prefer this be done, but I will go along for this ride. At the end of the day, it comes down ot the Vice President and his "availability" regardless of whne we do this and nothing in this Resolution has altered that variable to a large enough extent.


Aye (5): Averroës Nix, Ben, HagridoftheDeep, NC Yankee and Redalgo
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): Franzl, Marokai Blue and sbane (WTF PEOPLE?!!!)
Vacant Seats (2): Bacon King and NVTownsend.

With 5/8's of the Senate having voted in the affirmative and none having voted in the negative this has now been passed.
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The 'DREAM' Act (Debating) on: November 01, 2012, 12:56:32 pm
The amendment has passed.


Ben, would it have killed you to give feedback on both amendments Tongue No wonder your numbers are so low. Tongue

15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act (At Final Vote) on: November 01, 2012, 12:50:50 pm
AYE!


15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act (At Final Vote) on: November 01, 2012, 12:43:39 pm
Seeing no objection, the bill is now at final vote. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay or abstain.
15570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act (Debating) on: November 01, 2012, 12:42:24 pm
Quote from: Final Text
Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act

Section 1: Restriction and Exception.

1. Abortion in the third trimester of a pregnancy, hereby defined as the 28th estimated week of gestation, shall not be performed in the Republic of Atlasia.

2. Restrictions on abortion shall not apply in the following circumstances:
a. The pregnancy threatening the life of the mother.
b. The pregnancy showing signs of severe birth defect.
              1. For the purposes of this text, a severe birth defect is defined as being an abnormality, which produces a likely chance that the child will be afflicted with immense pain, have a severely limited functioning capacity, or be at significant risk of an early death.


Section 2: Criminal Penalty.

1. Any individual who performs an abortion in the third trimester outside of the previously mentioned exceptions receives a five year ban from work as a medical professional.

Section 3: Funding for Safe-Sex Education and Contraceptive Services

1. $10,000,000 shall be appropriated to each region for the purpose of expanding safe-sex education programs and access to contraceptive services.
2. The Department of Internal Affairs shall be charged with designing a criteria of what consitutes a qualifying sex education program in each region.
3. The Department of Internal Affairs will be in charge of distributing all the said monies to each region.
4. Any region that fails to construct a qualifying program or expansion of services, will have their money witheld until the standards are met.
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Omnibus Gun Policy & Safety Act (At Final Vote) on: November 01, 2012, 12:37:30 pm
Sbane and Marokai haven't voted (WTF, isn't this your bill, Bluey?) Roll Eyes
15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Omnibus Gun Policy & Safety Act (At Final Vote) on: November 01, 2012, 12:35:08 pm
As much as I like the registry idea, the unfunded billion dollar expenditure and some of the restrictions are pushing me towards a Nay vote.


NAY
15573  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Ohio Redistricting Reform Trails By Double-Digit Margin on: November 01, 2012, 10:10:06 am
What you need is an independent group or organization to lead the charge, write amendment and do the legwork to gather the signatures. Once on the ballot, they can then shop around for the party most willing to embrace it and try to get them to push for it in that state with there machine. That way one party will carry most of the load, but you would have all the independents and probably a large number of the other party as well because it isn't an effort designed for, by, and of that one "more enthusiatic" party. They just support it more aggressively because they are the odd man out in the process trying to take advantage of an opportunity even the playing field after recognizing that legislative control is very unlikely in th future. Citizen United is there, they might as well take advantage of it and have a few concerned million/billionaries get to together to improve the process in other areas, before the window is closed off again and we go back to the mid 2000's era of gerrymandering, campaign finance reform protected incumbents desperately craved to maintain their hold on power.
15574  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: Time to dump the Electoral College on: November 01, 2012, 09:55:16 am
As they are drawn now and as they are always going to realistically be drawn, it's horrendously unrepresentative. Yes, in this magical fantasy land where Republicans and Democrats actually come together to caring about electoral reform, proportionality, and open election laws, it could work, but that's not going to happen. As it stands now, doing things the Maine-Nebraska way would heavily stilt the election against the Democrats.

If we said, used US house seats for a parliamentary system, they'd actually be pretty representative by international standards. IIRC, the average house district seat is like R+1.5, which is largely due to the Voting Rights Act creating 40 all-black districts. And even then, being +1.5 tilted in a direction isn't really that bad.

For really amusing parliamentary districts, you can look at Manitoba. Where the PCs need to thwomp the NDP by around 10% in order to take a narrow majority. Or Singapore, where the PAP could still hold an majority if they managed to lose 40-60. Or Japan between 1945-1993 (the districts were even funnier because they were multi-member districts). A grimmer example is the South African Nationals triumphing in 1948 (and instituting apartheid), despite losing the actual popular vote by around 38%-49%.









Come on now.

What is your point about Arizona? That was a commission map that produced a 4-4 map in 2006 and then 5-3 map in both 2008 and 2010. The stuff up in the north was done to appease tribal differences. In the most recent process, that was dropped because the local tribes changed their opinion about being in the same district. I don't see how AZ is a good case against gerrymandering. There are far better examples. Going by how it looks on the surface can be very misleading, but indeed those are the ones people look at. The most common example is the complaints lodged by Democrats regarding MI-08. Have you have seen a more box like district?
15575  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: Time to dump the Electoral College on: November 01, 2012, 09:37:39 am
They only way I'd really be comfortable with keeping the Electoral College would be to require every state to award EVs proportionally (like that 2008 Colorado ballot initiative). Possibly coupled with an increase in the size of the House, maybe implementing something like the Wyoming Rule, to ensure greater proportionality.

And while we're at it, if nobody has an Electoral College majority it'd probably be better if it led to a top-two runoff rather than having Congress pick a winner.

I don't know about proportional allocation of electoral votes, but the Wyoming rule would fix most of the problems with the electoral college. Gore would have won in 2000 for instance with a larger House and consequently a larger and thus more representative electoral college. This change would also make it essential for the two parties to try for all the big states once again as they would gain substantially in Electoral Votes.

I think it general needs to be fixed, but I don't think it needs to be dumped. The problem it has is that it relies on its component parts to do their intended roles. The House is not currently because the districts are too large and thus it isn't serving its role as the voice of popular will.

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