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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Fair Compliance Amendment (Debating) on: May 16, 2012, 06:59:45 pm
Scott's amendment has passed.


Anything else here or is it ready to ship out?
15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Atlasian Mountaintop Removal Ban Act (Debating) on: May 16, 2012, 06:58:03 pm
Senators have 24 hours to object.


Shame I forgot to do this after entering it into the tracker on Monday. It would be done by now.
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Justice to the Department of Justice Act (Debating) on: May 16, 2012, 06:56:27 pm
So what are we doing here?
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: April 2012 Foreign Policy Review (At Final Vote) on: May 14, 2012, 07:25:51 pm
Can you explain what does "NO VALID ENTRY!!!" means, and what would be an acceptable amendment in foreign policy review?

It has nothing to do with the texts of the amendments. It means the sponsor has yet to respond to the amendments regarding whether he sees them as "Friendly" or "Unfriendly". Friendly means they can be passed by simply allowing 24 hours to object to passage. Unfriendly provokes a vote.
15555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: April 2012 Foreign Policy Review (At Final Vote) on: May 14, 2012, 07:22:38 pm
Amendment:
Quote
China: Embargo against products made at the FoxConn's factory complex in the city of Shenzhen   until the human right violations are addressed, notably the suicides at said complex.
I could also introduce a bill for creation of an committee overseeing human right abuses in China by companies that export to Atlasia.

I'm not sure that I'm able to target a specific company unless it's run by a government, let alone target a certain factory complex. This'd probably be a separate bill, creating a committee or whatever you want to lay out.

As for Sbane's amendment, I think we have to accept Clarence's amendment first before we can consider Sbane's, as until Clarence's is accepted Palestine is not considered separately and thus Sbane's cannot be applied.

The only amendment that I have noted on this bill by Clarence has already been adopted prior to the abortive final vote. Sbane's amendment is currently under consideration. Both his and Seatown's need the feedback of the sponsor to move forward.

Ah; it was still on the amendment tracker in the noticeboard, so I assumed it hadn't.

That doesn't track the status just all amendments offered in the Senate.
15556  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Latest Romney campaign leaks on VP search: they want a "boring white guy" on: May 14, 2012, 06:30:47 pm
Reminds me of the Obama/Bayh stickers that were floating around just days before the Biden pick.
15557  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Introduction Thread on: May 14, 2012, 06:03:52 pm
Quote
 
The Omnibus Miscellaneous Government Oversight and Reform Committee Resolution

This resolution shall create the Omnibus Miscellaneous Government Oversight and Reform Committee (OMGOR) as a special committee of the Senate tasked with investigating Administration Officials, performance of government officials, government efficiency, Forum Affairs, and other issues that relate indirectly to one of these tasks.

The committee shall be composed of three sitting members of the Atlasian Senate, selected by the full membership of that body.

Once selected, the President of the Senate shall select the Chairman from amongst those three members. The Chairman shall open the thread and preside over all hearings and functions of the Committee.

The Chairman may be replaced by the President of the Senate, if he has been absent longer than a week.

If a member of the committee resigns his position on the committee, or leaves the Senate, the full Senate shall select a replacement.
15558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: April 2012 Foreign Policy Review (At Final Vote) on: May 14, 2012, 05:50:29 pm
Amendment:
Quote
China: Embargo against products made at the FoxConn's factory complex in the city of Shenzhen   until the human right violations are addressed, notably the suicides at said complex.
I could also introduce a bill for creation of an committee overseeing human right abuses in China by companies that export to Atlasia.

I'm not sure that I'm able to target a specific company unless it's run by a government, let alone target a certain factory complex. This'd probably be a separate bill, creating a committee or whatever you want to lay out.

As for Sbane's amendment, I think we have to accept Clarence's amendment first before we can consider Sbane's, as until Clarence's is accepted Palestine is not considered separately and thus Sbane's cannot be applied.

The only amendment that I have noted on this bill by Clarence has already been adopted prior to the abortive final vote. Sbane's amendment is currently under consideration. Both his and Seatown's need the feedback of the sponsor to move forward.
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The New Atlasian Healthcare Act (Debating) on: May 14, 2012, 05:44:05 pm
It would get a new wiki page most likely. Hopefully with a notation added to the old one about subsequent amending.

As for this text, I would just include a phrase such as the italicized:

Quote from: Amendment 49:08
The New Atlasian Healthcare Act
The Atlasian National Healthcare Act of 2009 is amended as follows:

Section 1- Eligibility and Benefits

    (a.) All individuals residing in Atlasia are eligible covered under the Atlasian National Health Care Program entitling them to a universal, best high quality standard of care.
    (b.) The health care benefits under this Act cover all medically necessary services, including at least the following:

            Primary care and prevention.
            Inpatient care.
            Outpatient care.
            Emergency care.
            Prescription drugs.
            Durable medical equipment.
            Long-term care.
            Palliative care.
            Mental health services.
            The full scope of dental services (other than cosmetic dentistry).
            Substance abuse treatment services.
            Chiropractic services.
            Basic vision care and vision correction (other than laser vision correction for cosmetic purposes).
            Hearing services, including coverage of hearing aids.
            Podiatric care.
            Contraceptive services

    (c.) Such benefits are available through any licensed health care clinician anywhere in Atlasia that is legally qualified to provide the benefits.
    (d.) No deductibles, co-payments, coinsurance, or other cost-sharing shall be imposed with respect to covered benefits, but additional insurance from private sources is not forbidden.
    (e.) All private and public hospitals and doctors are required to be participating providers, and are not permitted to deny care on the basis of one's enrollment in the Atlasian National Health Care Program.
    (f.) All health insurance companies, public or private, shall be required to join the health insurance Exchange to be legally licensed to provide services. No company in the Exchange may deny coverage on the basis of previous health condition. The Exchange shall be governed by the Health Directorate, who shall be responsible for determining proper levels of reimbursement, management, administration and other related health industry needs.
(g.) Prescription drug companies shall not be allowed to advertise their products outside of certified medical journals.

Section 2- Finances

    (a.) The Atlasian Government, through the Atlasian National Health Care Program's regional offices, shall be financially obligated to cover: 90% of costs from services and benefits provided to the enrolled by the participating providers for individuals below 250% the poverty level; 50% of the costs from services and benefits provided to the enrolled by the participating providers for individuals between 250% the poverty level and $250,000; and 10% of the costs from services and benefits provided to the enrolled by the participating providers for individuals above $250,000. The total out of pocket payment for you or your family for the whole year may not exceed beyond 5% of your income if you make less than 250% of the poverty level. It cannot exceed 15% of your income if you make between 250% of the poverty level and $250,000 a year. It cannot exceed above 25% of your income if you make more than $250,000 a year. Nothing will need to be paid for preventative care by anyone of any income.
    (b.) Licensed health care clinicians who accept any payment from the Atlasian National Health Care Program may not bill any patient for any covered service.
    (c.) Funding for this proposal shall be drawn from the following sources:

            Cost reductions in other federal health programs, including Medicare and Medicaid, as a result of administrative and cost savings and shifts in funding priorities
            Taxes levied on health insurance benefits as follows: 0.5% for incomes below 250% the poverty level; 2% for incomes between 250% the poverty level and $250,000; 3.5% for incomes between $250,001 and $1,000,000; and 5%5.5% for incomes above $1,000,000.

Section 3- Administration

    (a.) This Act shall be administered by the Health Directorate, made up by a Chairman and the Executives of the regional CHP boards.
    (b.) Medicare and Medicaid shall be phased out, with all necessary personnel and services being transferred to the Atlasian National Health Care Program upon its establishment.

Section 4- Regional Administration

    (a.) The provision of healthcare and the administration of budgets and services shall be the responsibility of independent Community Health Partnerships (CHPs) congruent to the existing Regions These shall be established as public sector corporations. Each CHP shall be headed by a board consisting of one Executive and further non-executive members.
    (b.) CHP members shall be selected by the Health Directorate and shall be a non-partisan gathering of experts in the medical, pharmaceutical, and health insurance and administration industries.
    (c.) All boards shall be required to have an audit committee consisting only of non-executive members on which the chair may not sit. This committee shall be entrusted with the supervision of financial audit and of systems of corporate governance within the CHP.
    (d.) CHP's shall have responsibility for delivering primary and community services and commission them from other providers, and are involved in commissioning secondary care. Each CHP shall have their own budget and set their own priorities and shall directly provide a range of community health services including but not exclusive to;

            The provision of funding for general practitioners and medical prescriptions.
            The commission of hospital and mental health services from the private sector.

    (e.) All members, directors and associated bodies shall be accountable to the Health Directorate as outlined in Section 3 of this Act.

Sponsor Feedback: NO VALID ENTRY
15560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: April 2012 Foreign Policy Review (At Final Vote) on: May 14, 2012, 05:26:52 pm
Quote from: Amendment 49:06 by sbane
Israel: Normal; the DoEA urges Israel to end all settlements and alter the current non-Green Line route of the West Bank separation barrier, in which case Most Priority status shall be granted. We also urge Israel to work harder towards reaching a settlement to the Palestinian crisis.

Gaza: Full military and partial economic restrictions. We are concerned about acts of terrorism against Israel committed by the Hamas and the human rights situation.

West Bank: Normal. We are concerned about the current political situation, support a two state solution and would, in the near future, like a democratic and independent State of Palestine.

Sponsor Feedback: NO VALID ENTRY!!!



Quote from: Amendment 49:07 by Seatown
China: Embargo against products made at the FoxConn's factory complex in the city of Shenzhen   until the human right violations are addressed, notably the suicides at said complex.

Sponsor Feedback: NO VALID ENTRY!!!
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: April 2012 Foreign Policy Review (Debating) on: May 14, 2012, 05:06:11 pm
Sbane's post indicates a desire to seek changes, so I will take that.


Okay, vote halted.


15562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: April 2012 Foreign Policy Review (At Final Vote) on: May 14, 2012, 05:03:53 pm
Quote
3. In the event that a final vote has started the PPT shall have the power to stop said vote if a proposed amendment to a piece of legislation, resolution or amendment has been missed. If other "special situations" arise requiring an end to a vote, the PPT may halt the vote. Upon doing so, the PPT shall also declare the commencement of a 72 hour objection period, during which any Senator may object to halting the vote and with the concurrence of 2/3rd's of the Senate, overturn the PPT's action.



You are damn lucky Sbane, now I have to decide if your post on page 1 can be interpretted in such a way as to avoid a 72 hour objection period requirement.
15563  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The National Muffin Act (At Final Vote) on: May 14, 2012, 04:58:27 pm
So why did everyone else vote Nay? To protest this being brought up?
15564  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: SJoyceFla as Secretary of External Affairs (Confirmed) on: May 14, 2012, 04:52:18 pm
Aye



Vote on confirmation of SJoyceFla as Secretary of External Affairs:

Aye (9): AndrewPA, Clarence, Ben, ILV, NC Yankee, sbane, Scott, Seatown, and TJ in Cleve
Nay (0):
Abstain (1): Wormyguy

Didn't Vote (0): Praise Leip!!!

With nine votes in the affirmative and one abstention, SJoyceFla has been confirmed as Secretary of External Affairs.
15565  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Election Projection has Romney winning PV but Obama winning EV on: May 14, 2012, 04:46:58 pm
That being said, the guy does have some quality control issues, especially at this point in the season. As an example, he has MA painted as having a GOP house pickup, yet no such change is listed below. This is a result of him having less time to devote to the site and thus less time to read up on events concerning each seat and update regularly prior to the primaries and such. Once the primaries are completed, the forumlaic projections take over and he fixes any misplaced candidate lists and miscolored states.

No, he explained that somewhere -- it's the same reason Louisiana is marked as 1 Democratic gain. Massachusetts loses 1 Democratic seat, so it's counted as R+1 (actually, Massachusetts is D-1, but in American politics D-1 = R+1). Louisiana loses 1 Republican seat, so it's counted as D+1 for the same reason. The formulaic projections have already begun.

What the hell do you mean no? I guess I just imagined sending him 5 or 6 emails pointing out errors in candidate lists and such back during the 2010 cycle. I may be wrong about the MA example, but my point still stands in general.

The projections have partially started, but it is impossible for them to be fully in place for a particular seat until the primary finishes. For instance, the generic ballot portion is in place as is the partisanship of the state or seat, but not the horserace polling between the candidates, since the candidates haven't been selected in every state yet. I can't remember if he includes the pundit ratings before the primary or not until afterwards.

He includes them (other pundits' ratings) now. And by 'no', I mean 'no'; your example about MA House races is wrong, there's a real reason MA is labeled R+1 even though Republicans don't pick up a seat there. As for candidate lists, I'm not one to deny you sent him 5-6 emails some years ago.

Even so that is a poor way to display the effects of redistricting in my opinion. Be that as it may, my point is that compared with 2006 when I started following the site and 2010, the quality took a hit as did his regularity of posting, indicating it is induced by lack of time.
15566  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Election Projection has Romney winning PV but Obama winning EV on: May 14, 2012, 03:59:17 pm
That being said, the guy does have some quality control issues, especially at this point in the season. As an example, he has MA painted as having a GOP house pickup, yet no such change is listed below. This is a result of him having less time to devote to the site and thus less time to read up on events concerning each seat and update regularly prior to the primaries and such. Once the primaries are completed, the forumlaic projections take over and he fixes any misplaced candidate lists and miscolored states.

No, he explained that somewhere -- it's the same reason Louisiana is marked as 1 Democratic gain. Massachusetts loses 1 Democratic seat, so it's counted as R+1 (actually, Massachusetts is D-1, but in American politics D-1 = R+1). Louisiana loses 1 Republican seat, so it's counted as D+1 for the same reason. The formulaic projections have already begun.

What the hell do you mean no? I guess I just imagined sending him 5 or 6 emails pointing out errors in candidate lists and such back during the 2010 cycle. I may be wrong about the MA example, but my point still stands in general.

The projections have partially started, but it is impossible for them to be fully in place for a particular seat until the primary finishes. For instance, the generic ballot portion is in place as is the partisanship of the state or seat, but not the horserace polling between the candidates, since the candidates haven't been selected in every state yet. I can't remember if he includes the pundit ratings before the primary or not until afterwards.
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: May 14, 2012, 03:10:26 pm
A bit less wordy this time:

Adam Griffin
Georgia
Independent

HagridOfTheDeep
South Carolina
Whig-Communitarian

Let's see how this goes...

Welcome to the Region! As your regional senator, feel free to contact me with concerns about any issues you may have.

Okay, I say we nuke the Swiss for this. Tongue

I rather think that if we don't stop cluttering this thread with completely irrelevant posts, homely is going to nuke us - and rightly so! Tongue I'm out!

Good point, I deleted all three of mine including my flawed "Welcome post" out of respect for Homely. Tongue
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia National HQ -Nyman, DC (Zuwo MASSACRES Competition!!!) on: May 14, 2012, 01:35:37 pm
Mideast Gubernatorial Election
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153108.0

If the election for Mideast Governor was today, who would you vote for?
Assemblyman Zuwo (W-KY)   7 (13.7%)
Game Moderator shua (PLP-VA)   3 (5.9%)
Assemblyman Zuwo (W-KY)   8 (15.7%)
Fmr. Senator Badger (LIB-OH)   2 (3.9%)
Assemblyman Zuwo (W-KY)   10 (19.6%)
Associate Justice Opebo (IND-MO)   1 (2%)
Assemblyman Zuwo (W-KY)   8 (15.7%)
Frodo (IND-VA)   2 (3.9%)
Assemblyman Zuwo (W-KY)   7 (13.7%)
Fmr. Inactive Senator HappyWarrior (IND-MD)   3 (5.9%)

 
Total Voters: 11

Zuwo 70%
shua 30%

Zuwo 80%
Badger 20%

Zuwo 91%
Opebo 9%

Zuwo 80%
Frodo 20%

Zuwo 70%
Happy Warrior 30%
15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia National HQ -Nyman, DC (Nappy's Kal slightly ahead, none >30) on: May 14, 2012, 01:32:15 pm
June Presidential Poll Early May
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153109.0

If the election for President was today who would you vote for?
SoIA 20RP12 (IND-WI)/Winston Disraeli (LAB-VT)  5 (14.3%)
Senator Clarence (W-FL)/Fmr. SoIA Yelnoc (IB-GA)   9 (25.7%)
Governor Napoleon (LIB-CT)/Fmr Everything Kalwejt (IB-GA)   10 (28.6%)
Fmr. Associate Justice Oakvale (IND)/NE Assemblyman Cincinatus (IND-NY)   6 (17.1%)
[Errror: Precedes Database] Tweed (CPA-NY)/Fmr. President Bgwah (ELP-WA)   5 (14.3%)

 
Total Voters: 35
15570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The New Atlasian Healthcare Act (MoPolitico GTF IN HERE NOW!!!!!!!) on: May 13, 2012, 06:52:40 pm
Have any changes been made to this since you posted this on the fifth of April?

Quote
Section 1- Eligibility and Benefits

    (a.) All individuals residing in Atlasia are eligible covered under the Atlasian National Health Care Program entitling them to a universal, best high quality standard of care.
    (b.) The health care benefits under this Act cover all medically necessary services, including at least the following:

            Primary care and prevention.
            Inpatient care.
            Outpatient care.
            Emergency care.
            Prescription drugs.
            Durable medical equipment.
            Long-term care.
            Palliative care.
            Mental health services.
            The full scope of dental services (other than cosmetic dentistry).
            Substance abuse treatment services.
            Chiropractic services.
            Basic vision care and vision correction (other than laser vision correction for cosmetic purposes).
            Hearing services, including coverage of hearing aids.
            Podiatric care.
            Contraceptive services

    (c.) Such benefits are available through any licensed health care clinician anywhere in Atlasia that is legally qualified to provide the benefits.
    (d.) No deductibles, co-payments, coinsurance, or other cost-sharing shall be imposed with respect to covered benefits, but additional insurance from private sources is not forbidden.
    (e.) All private and public hospitals and doctors are required to be participating providers, and are not permitted to deny care on the basis of one's enrollment in the Atlasian National Health Care Program.
    (f.) All health insurance companies, public or private, shall be required to join the health insurance Exchange to be legally licensed to provide services. No company in the Exchange may deny coverage on the basis of previous health condition. The Exchange shall be governed by the Health Directorate, who shall be responsible for determining proper levels of reimbursement, management, administration and other related health industry needs.
(g.) Prescription drug companies shall not be allowed to advertise their products outside of certified medical journals.

Section 2- Finances

    (a.) The Atlasian Government, through the Atlasian National Health Care Program's regional offices, shall be financially obligated to cover: 90% of costs from services and benefits provided to the enrolled by the participating providers for individuals below 250% the poverty level; 50% of the costs from services and benefits provided to the enrolled by the participating providers for individuals between 250% the poverty level and $250,000; and 10% of the costs from services and benefits provided to the enrolled by the participating providers for individuals above $250,000. The total out of pocket payment for you or your family for the whole year may not exceed beyond 5% of your income if you make less than 250% of the poverty level. It cannot exceed 15% of your income if you make between 250% of the poverty level and $250,000 a year. It cannot exceed above 25% of your income if you make more than $250,000 a year. Nothing will need to be paid for preventative care by anyone of any income.
    (b.) Licensed health care clinicians who accept any payment from the Atlasian National Health Care Program may not bill any patient for any covered service.
    (c.) Funding for this proposal shall be drawn from the following sources:

            Cost reductions in other federal health programs, including Medicare and Medicaid, as a result of administrative and cost savings and shifts in funding priorities
            Taxes levied on health insurance benefits as follows: 0.5% for incomes below 250% the poverty level; 2% for incomes between 250% the poverty level and $250,000; 3.5% for incomes between $250,001 and $1,000,000; and 5%5.5% for incomes above $1,000,000.

Section 3- Administration

    (a.) This Act shall be administered by the Health Directorate, made up by a Chairman and the Executives of the regional CHP boards.
    (b.) Medicare and Medicaid shall be phased out, with all necessary personnel and services being transferred to the Atlasian National Health Care Program upon its establishment.

Section 4- Regional Administration

    (a.) The provision of healthcare and the administration of budgets and services shall be the responsibility of independent Community Health Partnerships (CHPs) congruent to the existing Regions These shall be established as public sector corporations. Each CHP shall be headed by a board consisting of one Executive and further non-executive members.
    (b.) CHP members shall be selected by the Health Directorate and shall be a non-partisan gathering of experts in the medical, pharmaceutical, and health insurance and administration industries.
    (c.) All boards shall be required to have an audit committee consisting only of non-executive members on which the chair may not sit. This committee shall be entrusted with the supervision of financial audit and of systems of corporate governance within the CHP.
    (d.) CHP's shall have responsibility for delivering primary and community services and commission them from other providers, and are involved in commissioning secondary care. Each CHP shall have their own budget and set their own priorities and shall directly provide a range of community health services including but not exclusive to;

            The provision of funding for general practitioners and medical prescriptions.
            The commission of hospital and mental health services from the private sector.

    (e.) All members, directors and associated bodies shall be accountable to the Health Directorate as outlined in Section 3 of this Act.  

I am highlighting the changes made to the original law passed in 2009 including the two amendments that have been added on and the parts that have been struck out.
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: SJoyceFla as Secretary of External Affairs (Voting) on: May 13, 2012, 06:44:49 pm
With time having expired and no extention being requested, confirmation of SJoyceFla is now at vote.
15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: SJoyceFla as Secretary of External Affairs (Questioning) on: May 13, 2012, 06:44:05 pm
I'm not sure I agree with all your positions, but it's clear that you know the issues and you're willing to work hard.  I'll vote to confirm.

Can we get to a final vote?

Actually such is required since no extention was requested and time has expired.

I couldn't get onling yesterday, unfortunately.
15573  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: April 2012 Foreign Policy Review (At Final Vote) on: May 13, 2012, 06:35:32 pm
The amendment has passed.



Senators this is now at final vote please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
15574  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The National Muffin Act (At Final Vote) on: May 13, 2012, 06:33:49 pm
This has enough votes to fail, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
15575  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The National Muffin Act (At Final Vote) on: May 13, 2012, 06:30:18 pm
I usually post it on the page that the vote begins on. Unless the bill hasn't been amendment or is only 2 pages long. I also post it after I close the vote so the President knows what he is signing and the right text is entered into the Wiki.
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