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15551  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: US House Redistricting: Ohio on: August 01, 2012, 08:58:59 am
If it fails, they should try again with one that takes effect in 2020. It is hard to get these passed when the dominant party is 100% hostile, especially if the minority party is lame in its support.

How much effort are the OH Dems putting into this?
15552  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: US House Redistricting: Ohio on: July 31, 2012, 11:27:07 pm
When will we find out if they have actually got it done?
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL (Ben GTFIH NOW!!!) on: July 31, 2012, 11:11:19 pm
Huh, looks like that huge budget surplus wasn't so huge after all.

Yes, even before factoring in the missing stuff that shua brought up, over $100 billion just disappeared. Why did it disappear? Because it never existed, a creation of the failure to correctly alter the subtotals as the bill was amended.

The amendment has passed.
15554  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Ohio redistricting proposal poised for failure on: July 31, 2012, 09:12:04 pm
How is Speaker Pelosi doing these days? Roll Eyes

Really! Tongue
In North Carolina she did very well, retaining a 7-5 advantage that probably would have been 8-4 if one of her Congressman didn't try to choke that gadfly.

You missed the point of what I was saying, which was that a single, or even a few, state delegations can't prevent a nationwide wave from shifting control of the chamber.
15555  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: July 31, 2012, 08:47:15 pm
Cruisin' - Smokey Robinson
15556  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Texas GOP Senate Runoff on: July 31, 2012, 08:44:39 pm
Glad you gone my way, I love it when were "cruzin" together! Cheesy
15557  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When/why did "Liberalism=Left" in American politics? on: July 30, 2012, 03:34:11 pm
I assumed it was always like that. Since the founding days, conservatives were the ones who opposed radical changes. I guess you could compare them to firstly the loyalists, and then secondly the Federalists. On the other hand, Jefferson and his people wanted radical change and were thus liberals.* That's at least what I've been thinking. Was I wrong?

*Although in today's world, some of the changes the Democratic-Republicans may have wanted might now be embraced by a number of conservatives.

You are not wrong. Also, we have "organized ideologies" now that amount to a publically defined set of issues. Such wasn't the case back then and people were more about the party and politics. Ideological terms were often relative and thus why you when ideologies started to get defined, the parties were more diverse and maybe evenly split ideologically.

 This gets to my point regarding the bolded in your statement. While both the loyalists and the Federalists could be considered Conservative relative to their opposition, they weren't the same group of people.  The Federalists were the cosmopoliton, commerically oriented wing of the Patriots. They supported a bigger government to protect themselves from the anarchists mobs running about Western Massachusetts, Paris, etc  and advance their economic interests with a stable currency and a navy to protect shipping from piracy and foreign harrassment of trade. 

Another example, Edmund Burke defined Conservatism for the modern era, but he wasn't an abolutist Monarchist, which would have been the more Conservative view prior to 1700's.

Both terms were relative to some comparison, but now they have come to define a set political agenda.
15558  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney actually has some fans in Poland on: July 30, 2012, 03:11:20 pm
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No, that's just plain old inertia.

Inertia and traditional conservatism in the UK can arguably be seen as one and the same.
Traditional conservatism is all about inertia (/cautiousness in reform). Especially as it benefits the ptb, of course, but sometimes even where that doesn't apply. That's its defining characteristic.

and?
15559  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney actually has some fans in Poland on: July 30, 2012, 03:06:55 pm
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No, that's just plain old inertia.

Inertia and traditional conservatism in the UK can arguably be seen as one and the same. For better or worse.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?

The House of Lords, as of now, can vote down Commons passed bills, but this only sends it back to the original chamber to 'rethink'. Usually the government tries, and usually succeeds, in overturning votes by the House of Lords. One example of the Lords causing a government 'rethink' was in 2008 when Gordon Brown had to back down over the 72 (?) day detention without trial bill, it was reduced to 24 days I believe.

The Monarchy technically can veto any bill, but hasn't done since the 1710's or so. So it's a non-factor. Although the Monarch is informed of all major government decisions. If a government goes all Nazi-crazy though, then I presume the Queen would exercise her reserve powers.

To the second question, since Parliament is sovereign, anything can be passed by the Commons, heck even the Scottish Parliament could be legally abolished by the House. While this won't happen, technically, no, nothing restricts the power of the Commons. (A case can be made for EU-made laws overriding UK law, but that's another debate).

In Britain, criticisms of Constitution being unwritten come primarily from the left, correct?

Hmm, a small minority of left wing, and by that I mean, the Labour Party, criticises the constitutional settlement. Most Liberals (UK centrists, although some may call them faux-Tories post 2010), favour a big re-hash of the constitution. I'm talking, fully written, US style with a bill of rights. Elected Lords with extended powers etc, etc.

To American conservatism a written constitution, containing a strong balance of powers and a bill of rights, interpretted as written (strict construction) and difficult to amend is the last word in good government structure.
15560  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney actually has some fans in Poland on: July 30, 2012, 02:59:54 pm
Tories are more conservative than Republicans; unlike Republicans, they actually cut spending.

American politics has become defined by cultural and social issues, even when Economics dominate the issues. Hence why Mittens is leading in West Virginia, despite being a horrible candidate for it and Connecticut is going to vote for Obama. On that consideration, his point stands unquestionably, does it not?
15561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL (Ben GTFIH NOW!!!) on: July 30, 2012, 02:55:02 pm
Senators have 24 hours to object.
15562  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney actually has some fans in Poland on: July 30, 2012, 02:41:26 pm
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No, that's just plain old inertia.

Inertia and traditional conservatism in the UK can arguably be seen as one and the same. For better or worse.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?

The House of Lords, as of now, can vote down Commons passed bills, but this only sends it back to the original chamber to 'rethink'. Usually the government tries, and usually succeeds, in overturning votes by the House of Lords. One example of the Lords causing a government 'rethink' was in 2008 when Gordon Brown had to back down over the 72 (?) day detention without trial bill, it was reduced to 24 days I believe.

The Monarchy technically can veto any bill, but hasn't done since the 1710's or so. So it's a non-factor. Although the Monarch is informed of all major government decisions. If a government goes all Nazi-crazy though, then I presume the Queen would exercise her reserve powers.

To the second question, since Parliament is sovereign, anything can be passed by the Commons, heck even the Scottish Parliament could be legally abolished by the House. While this won't happen, technically, no, nothing restricts the power of the Commons. (A case can be made for EU-made laws overriding UK law, but that's another debate).

In Britain, criticisms of Constitution being unwritten come primarily from the left, correct?
15563  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Republicans/conservatives: Do you actually find Romney likable as person? on: July 30, 2012, 02:36:37 pm
Have yet to see a good reason not to that isn't someone's spin or politically motivated hackery.


15564  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney actually has some fans in Poland on: July 30, 2012, 02:23:53 pm
England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?
15565  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney actually has some fans in Poland on: July 30, 2012, 02:04:24 pm
Considering Walesa's background, him endorsing Mitten's so enthusiastically is quite a surprise. I guess foreign policy trumps all in some cases.
15566  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Committee Membership Thread (Voting on National Security Committee Members) on: July 30, 2012, 01:58:07 pm
...or if they cancel each other out. Tongue Looks like we may need a tiebreaker here.
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) on: July 30, 2012, 01:55:58 pm
Quote from: Amendment 50:20 by Scott
AN  AMENDMENT
To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials.

Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled.

This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment".

Section 2: Impeachment

1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed  against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government.

2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days.  During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment.  All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath.  If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them.

3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing,
the Senate will shall be impaneled as a grand jury to consider these Articles of Impeachment; In considering these Articles, the Chief Justice shall preside, unless it is his own impeachment, in which case the President of the Senate shall preside. A two-thirds majority vote of the Senate under quorum rules will be necessary to impeach the Officer.

4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post.

5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment.

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15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Protection From Military Slavery Amendment (Debating) on: July 30, 2012, 01:54:35 pm
Quote from: Amendment 50:19 by Scott
SECTION 1. TITLE

This legislation may be cited as the 'Anti-Conscription Compromise Amendment.’

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
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15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL (Vote Halted) on: July 30, 2012, 01:49:40 pm
Quote from: Amendment 50:21 by NC Yankee
WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL
               
Income Taxes               
 Income Taxes    $1,376  B             
 by tax bracket                 
 9.5K-35K     10%                       51 B
 35K-80K      22%                       193 B
 80K-170K    28%                       242 B
 170K-368K  35%                       234 B
 368K-1M     40%                       213 B
 1M+    50%                              443 B

Financial Transaction Tax:
0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions.
$177 Billion per year
                  
Corporate Taxes:  $ 378.7 B                    
 rates                  
 0-50K          12%                   
 50-75K         23%                      
 75K-100K     30%                  
 100K-335K    31%                     
 335K-10M     33%                  
 10M-15M      34%                  
 15M+           35%                       
                  
National Broadcaster Levy  $ 18.6 B                  
 Individual (0.25% > $50K)  $ 13.9 B                  
 Corporate (0.5% > $350K) $ 4.7 B                  
                  
Healthcare Taxes    $ 697.7 B                  
 Healthcare Payroll Tax  (CSSRA sec.4)              $ 687.4 B                  
     4.5% Apr-Jun 2012, 6% Jul-Aug 2012, 6.5% Sep-Dec 2012, 2013                  
 Health Insurance Tax   (ANHA sec.2c)                 $ 10.3 B
               
Estate Tax Revenue    $47.9 B   
                  
Excise Taxes   $ 57.8  B                   
  Gasoline Tax  (20 cents/gallon)       $ 32.0 B                   
 Cigarette and Tobacco Taxes                       
    (43 cents/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* $ 6.9 B                   
 Alcohol Tax        (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*  $ 10.2 B                   
Marijuana Tax  ($1/pack cigarettes plus 10% on all products)*          $ 8.7 B
 *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act)

                  
                  
Carbon Taxes  ($25-30/ton)    $ 152.7 B                  
 Domestic              $  133.6 B                  
 Carbon Import Tax  $  19.1 B                      
                  
                  
Special Program Taxes   $ 68.8 B               
 Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund)      $ 4.9 B                   
 Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund)  $ 33.1 B                  
Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B) $7.2 B                  
Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h) $23.6 B                  
                  
Customs Duties   $ 58.2 B                  
                  
Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.)   $ 83.4 B                  
                  
                  
Total Revenue    $2,939.8 Billion         


Budget Update: Part 2A - Tax Credits         
         
Dependent Child Tax Credit            115 B         
Education Tax Credits                       
   Higher Education                          75  B         
   Elementary/Secondary                   3.5 B         
Earned Income Tax Credit                46.3 B         
Adoption and Foster Care Credit         1.1 B         
Carbon Tax Residential Relief Credits         
   Carbon Tax Electricity Credit          11.6 B         
   Heating Fuel Consumption Credit     6.2 B         
   Fuel Efficiency Reimbursement        4.1 B         
Corporate Clean Energy Credit           2.7 B         
Alternate Energy R&D Credits            3.4 B         
Nuclear Waste Reprocessing Credit    2.9 B         
Public Transportation Tax Credit         6.4 B         
First-time Homebuyer Credit              2.8 B         
Retirement Savings Credits               2.5 B         
Individual Business Credits                2.2 B         
Foreign Tax Credit                          13.1 B         
  TOTAL                                    $ 298.8 Billion         

   Budget Update- Part 2B Direct Spending                
               
TOTAL Direct Spending = $ 2.553.72 Trillion               
               
Military Spending ($356.63 billion)               
$95.00 billion ... Military personnel               
$115.20 billion ... Operation and maintenance               
$60.00 billion .... Procurement               
$50.00 billion .... Research, development, test and evaluation               
$15.25 billion .... Military Construction, Family Housing and Other               
$18.29 billion .... Atomic Energy Defense Activities               
$2.89 billion ..... Defense Related activities            
               
Afghanistan Operations ($10.6 billion)               
$600 million ..... Military Operations               
$10.00 billion .... Reconstruction aid               
               
Military Retirement ($167.5 billion)               
$46.5 billion .... Military retirement               
$40 billion .... Income security for veterans               
$18 billion ...... Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation               
$ 8 billion….. Veterans mental health resources               
$50 billion ..... Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military               
$5 billion ...... Housing and other veterans benefits and services                              
International affairs ($24.15 billion)               
$15.00 billion ...... International development and humanitarian assistance               
$3.0 billion ...... International military aid               
$5.0 billion ...... Conduct of foreign affairs               
$1.15 billion ...... Foreign information and exchange activities            
               
General science, space, and technology ($26.47 billion)               
$10.62 billion ...... National Science Foundation programs               
$3.44 billion ...... Department of Energy general science programs               
$9.91 billion ..... Space flight, research, and supporting activities
$2.5 billion ...... Nuclear Cleanup/Containment Equipment Technology (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act)            
               
Non-Defense Energy Spending ($49.62 billion)               
$0.73 billion ...... Energy supply               
$1.03 billion ...... Energy conservation and preparedness               
$0.36 billion ...... Energy information, preparedness, & regulation               
$12.5 billion ...... Go Green Fund
$25 billion ..... Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act)    
$10 billion ..... Coverage and Rate Protection  (Electricity Fairness Act)      

               
Natural resources and environment ($43.26 billion)               
$5.45 billion ..... Water resources               
$9.07 billion ..... Conservation and land management               
$3.12 billion ..... Recreational & Park resources               
$8.42 billion ..... Pollution control and abatement               
$4.9 billion ....... Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax                 
$5.1 billion ....... Other natural resources
$7.2 billion ....... Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act)               
               
Agriculture ($14.5 billion)               
$11.00 billion ..... Farm income stabilization & crop insurance               
$3.50 billion ...... Agricultural research and services               
               
Commerce and Housing Loan Programs ($6.82 billion)               
$-4.28 billion ..... Federal Housing Loan Programs               
$2.17 billion ...... Postal service               
$-0.96 billion ..... Deposit insurance               
$7.96 billion ...... Universal service fund               
$1.93 billion ...... Other advancement of commerce               
               
Transportation ($87.27 billion)               
$33.13 billion ..... Highways and highway safety               
$18 billion ......... High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act)               
$10 billion ...... Other Mass transit               
$2.81 billion ...... Railroads               
$17.26 billion ..... Air Transportation               
$5.65 billion ...... Water transportation               
$0.42 billion ...... Other transportation               
               
Community and regional development ($59.96 billion)               
$6.25 billion ...... Community development               
$8.36 billion ...... Area and regional development               
$10.15 billion ...... Disaster relief and insurance               
$2.5 billion ........ Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing               
$32.7 billion ...... Small Business Association               
               
Education ($118.52 billion)               
$72.57 billion ..... Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education               
$42.72 billion ..... Higher education               
$3.23 billion ...... Research and general education               
               
Training, labor and unemployment ($11.6 billion)               
$10 billion ...... Training and employment               
$1.6 billion ....... Labor law, statistics, and other administration            
               
Atlasian National Healthcare ($953.3 billion)
$239.5 billion ... IDS Community Health Partnership
$206.0 billion ... ME Community Health Partnership
$113.5 billion ... MW Community Health Partnership
$191.0 billion ... NE Community Health Partnership
$180.5 billion ... PA Community Health Partnership
$22.8 billion ..... Central Administration Costs               
               
Non-ANH Health Spending ($38.81 billion)               
$4.7 billion ....... Disease control, public health and bioterrorism               
$29.36 billion ... Health research and training               
$3.01 billion ..... Food safety and occupational health and safety            
$1.74 billion ..... Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act)
               
Civilian Retirement (Social Security excluded) ($72.02 billion)               
$4.89 billion ...... Civilian retirement and disability insurance               
$58.22 billion .... Federal employee retirement and disability               
$8.91 billion ...... Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits         
               
Atlasian National Broadcaster ($6.35 billion)               
$4.6 billion …. Infrastructure buliding and acquisition                
$1.75 billion …. Initial start up costs                 
               
Aid to Low-Income Families ($182.96 billion)               
$67 billion ..... Housing assistance               
$87.58 billion ..... Food stamps               
$21 billion ...... Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches)               
$4.8 billion ....... Child care funds               
$2.58 billion ...... Other aid to low-income families   

Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act)  ($8.5 Billion)
$5 Billion......Public Housing Capital Fund   
$1 Billion......Community Development Fund
$2 Billion......Neighborhood Stabilization Program
$0.50 Billion...Homeless Prevention
            
               
General Family Support ($27.06 billion)               
$8 billion ...... Foster care and adoption assistance               
$2.92 billion ...... Child support and family support programs               
$16.14 billion ..... Social and family services               
               
Administration of justice ($29.79 billion)               
$7.25 billion ..... Federal law enforcement               
$7.46 billion ..... Border security and immigration               
$7.6 billion ..... Federal litigation and judicial activities               
$3.26 billion ...... Federal prison system               
$4.22 billion ...... Criminal justice assistance               
               
General government administration ($13.3 billion)               
$2.75 billion ...... Legislative functions               
$0.95 billion ...... Executive office programs               
$7.6 billion ....... IRS & other fiscal operations               
$2 billion ...... Other general government               
               
Interest on debt ($244.73 billion)               
$244.73 billion .... Net Interest[/size]               
               
***************************************               
               
SUMMARY: Current Projected Figures for 2012               
               
Direct Spending                 $2,553.72 billion   
Tax Credits                           $298.8 billion   
TOTAL Expenditures             $2,852.52 billion   
               
REVENUE               $2,939.8 Billion               
EXPENDITURES     -$2,852.52 billion               
BALANCE                $87.28 Billion


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15570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL (Vote Halted) on: July 30, 2012, 01:05:18 pm
I am beginning to hit up against the Post Character Limit.
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL (Vote Halted) on: July 30, 2012, 12:28:28 pm
6. Afghanistan Spending Cut

Quote from: Amendment in Construction
WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL
               
Income Taxes               
 Income Taxes    $1,376  B             
 by tax bracket                 
 9.5K-35K     10%                       51 B
 35K-80K      22%                       193 B
 80K-170K    28%                       242 B
 170K-368K  35%                       234 B
 368K-1M     40%                       213 B
 1M+    50%                              443 B

Financial Transaction Tax:
0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions.
$177 Billion per year
                  
Corporate Taxes:  $ 378.7 B                    
 rates                  
 0-50K          12%                   
 50-75K         23%                      
 75K-100K     30%                  
 100K-335K    31%                     
 335K-10M     33%                  
 10M-15M      34%                  
 15M+           35%                       
                  
National Broadcaster Levy  $ 18.6 B                  
 Individual (0.25% > $50K)  $ 13.9 B                  
 Corporate (0.5% > $350K) $ 4.7 B                  
                  
Healthcare Taxes    $ 697.7 B                  
 Healthcare Payroll Tax  (CSSRA sec.4)              $ 687.4 B                  
     4.5% Apr-Jun 2012, 6% Jul-Aug 2012, 6.5% Sep-Dec 2012, 2013                  
 Health Insurance Tax   (ANHA sec.2c)                 $ 10.3 B
               
Estate Tax Revenue    $47.9 B   
                  
Excise Taxes   $ 57.8  B                   
  Gasoline Tax  (20 cents/gallon)       $ 32.0 B                   
 Cigarette and Tobacco Taxes                       
    (43 cents/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* $ 6.9 B                   
 Alcohol Tax        (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*  $ 10.2 B                   
Marijuana Tax  ($1/pack cigarettes plus 10% on all products)*          $ 8.7 B
 *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act)

                  
                  
Carbon Taxes  ($25-30/ton)    $ 152.7 B                  
 Domestic              $  133.6 B                  
 Carbon Import Tax  $  19.1 B                      
                  
                  
Special Program Taxes   $ 68.8 B               
 Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund)      $ 4.9 B                   
 Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund)  $ 33.1 B                  
Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B) $7.2 B                  
Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h) $23.6 B                  
                  
Customs Duties   $ 58.2 B                  
                  
Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.)   $ 83.4 B                  
                  
                  
Total Revenue    $2,939.8 Billion         


Budget Update: Part 2A - Tax Credits         
         
Dependent Child Tax Credit            115 B         
Education Tax Credits                       
   Higher Education                          75  B         
   Elementary/Secondary                   3.5 B         
Earned Income Tax Credit                46.3 B         
Adoption and Foster Care Credit         1.1 B         
Carbon Tax Residential Relief Credits         
   Carbon Tax Electricity Credit          11.6 B         
   Heating Fuel Consumption Credit     6.2 B         
   Fuel Efficiency Reimbursement        4.1 B         
Corporate Clean Energy Credit           2.7 B         
Alternate Energy R&D Credits            3.4 B         
Nuclear Waste Reprocessing Credit    2.9 B         
Public Transportation Tax Credit         6.4 B         
First-time Homebuyer Credit              2.8 B         
Retirement Savings Credits               2.5 B         
Individual Business Credits                2.2 B         
Foreign Tax Credit                          13.1 B         
  TOTAL                                    $ 298.8 Billion         

   Budget Update- Part 2B Direct Spending                
               
TOTAL Direct Spending = $ 2.553.72 Trillion               
               
Military Spending ($356.63 billion)               
$95.00 billion ... Military personnel               
$115.20 billion ... Operation and maintenance               
$60.00 billion .... Procurement               
$50.00 billion .... Research, development, test and evaluation               
$15.25 billion .... Military Construction, Family Housing and Other               
$18.29 billion .... Atomic Energy Defense Activities               
$2.89 billion ..... Defense Related activities            
               
Afghanistan Operations ($10.6 billion)               
$600 million ..... Military Operations               
$10.00 billion .... Reconstruction aid               
               
Military Retirement ($167.5 billion)               
$46.5 billion .... Military retirement               
$40 billion .... Income security for veterans               
$18 billion ...... Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation               
$ 8 billion….. Veterans mental health resources               
$50 billion ..... Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military               
$5 billion ...... Housing and other veterans benefits and services                              
International affairs ($24.15 billion)               
$15.00 billion ...... International development and humanitarian assistance               
$3.0 billion ...... International military aid               
$5.0 billion ...... Conduct of foreign affairs               
$1.15 billion ...... Foreign information and exchange activities            
               
General science, space, and technology ($26.47 billion)               
$10.62 billion ...... National Science Foundation programs               
$3.44 billion ...... Department of Energy general science programs               
$9.91 billion ..... Space flight, research, and supporting activities
$2.5 billion ...... Nuclear Cleanup/Containment Equipment Technology (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act)            
               
Non-Defense Energy Spending ($49.62 billion)               
$0.73 billion ...... Energy supply               
$1.03 billion ...... Energy conservation and preparedness               
$0.36 billion ...... Energy information, preparedness, & regulation               
$12.5 billion ...... Go Green Fund
$25 billion ..... Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act)    
$10 billion ..... Coverage and Rate Protection  (Electricity Fairness Act)      

               
Natural resources and environment ($43.26 billion)               
$5.45 billion ..... Water resources               
$9.07 billion ..... Conservation and land management               
$3.12 billion ..... Recreational & Park resources               
$8.42 billion ..... Pollution control and abatement               
$4.9 billion ....... Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax                 
$5.1 billion ....... Other natural resources
$7.2 billion ....... Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act)               
               
Agriculture ($14.5 billion)               
$11.00 billion ..... Farm income stabilization & crop insurance               
$3.50 billion ...... Agricultural research and services               
               
Commerce and Housing Loan Programs ($6.82 billion)               
$-4.28 billion ..... Federal Housing Loan Programs               
$2.17 billion ...... Postal service               
$-0.96 billion ..... Deposit insurance               
$7.96 billion ...... Universal service fund               
$1.93 billion ...... Other advancement of commerce               
               
Transportation ($87.27 billion)               
$33.13 billion ..... Highways and highway safety               
$18 billion ......... High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act)               
$10 billion ...... Other Mass transit               
$2.81 billion ...... Railroads               
$17.26 billion ..... Air Transportation               
$5.65 billion ...... Water transportation               
$0.42 billion ...... Other transportation               
               
Community and regional development ($59.96 billion)               
$6.25 billion ...... Community development               
$8.36 billion ...... Area and regional development               
$10.15 billion ...... Disaster relief and insurance               
$2.5 billion ........ Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing               
$32.7 billion ...... Small Business Association               
               
Education ($118.52 billion)               
$72.57 billion ..... Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education               
$42.72 billion ..... Higher education               
$3.23 billion ...... Research and general education               
               
Training, labor and unemployment ($11.6 billion)               
$10 billion ...... Training and employment               
$1.6 billion ....... Labor law, statistics, and other administration            
               
Atlasian National Healthcare ($953.3 billion)
$239.5 billion ... IDS Community Health Partnership
$206.0 billion ... ME Community Health Partnership
$113.5 billion ... MW Community Health Partnership
$191.0 billion ... NE Community Health Partnership
$180.5 billion ... PA Community Health Partnership
$22.8 billion ..... Central Administration Costs               
               
Non-ANH Health Spending ($38.81 billion)               
$4.7 billion ....... Disease control, public health and bioterrorism               
$29.36 billion ... Health research and training               
$3.01 billion ..... Food safety and occupational health and safety            
$1.74 billion ..... Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act)
               
Civilian Retirement (Social Security excluded) ($72.02 billion)               
$4.89 billion ...... Civilian retirement and disability insurance               
$58.22 billion .... Federal employee retirement and disability               
$8.91 billion ...... Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits         
               
Atlasian National Broadcaster ($6.35 billion)               
$4.6 billion …. Infrastructure buliding and acquisition                
$1.75 billion …. Initial start up costs                 
               
Aid to Low-Income Families ($182.96 billion)               
$67 billion ..... Housing assistance               
$87.58 billion ..... Food stamps               
$21 billion ...... Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches)               
$4.8 billion ....... Child care funds               
$2.58 billion ...... Other aid to low-income families   

Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act)  ($8.5 Billion)
$5 Billion......Public Housing Capital Fund   
$1 Billion......Community Development Fund
$2 Billion......Neighborhood Stabilization Program
$0.50 Billion...Homeless Prevention
            
               
General Family Support ($27.06 billion)               
$8 billion ...... Foster care and adoption assistance               
$2.92 billion ...... Child support and family support programs               
$16.14 billion ..... Social and family services               
               
Administration of justice ($29.79 billion)               
$7.25 billion ..... Federal law enforcement               
$7.46 billion ..... Border security and immigration               
$7.6 billion ..... Federal litigation and judicial activities               
$3.26 billion ...... Federal prison system               
$4.22 billion ...... Criminal justice assistance               
               
General government administration ($13.3 billion)               
$2.75 billion ...... Legislative functions               
$0.95 billion ...... Executive office programs               
$7.6 billion ....... IRS & other fiscal operations               
$2 billion ...... Other general government               
               
Interest on debt ($244.73 billion)               
$244.73 billion .... Net Interest[/size]               
               
***************************************               
               
SUMMARY: Current Projected Figures for 2012               
               
Direct Spending                 $2,553.72 billion   
Tax Credits                           $298.8 billion   
TOTAL Expenditures             $2,852.52 billion   
               
REVENUE               $2,939.8 Billion               
EXPENDITURES     -$2,852.52 billion               
BALANCE                $87.28 Billion

15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL (Vote Halted) on: July 30, 2012, 12:23:02 pm
It isn't even halfway done. Tongue
15573  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL (Vote Halted) on: July 30, 2012, 12:09:06 pm
1. Estate Tax Revenue Added
2. Marijuana Tax Revenue Updated
3. Oil Spill Protection Tax Revenue Verified
4. Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Tax Revenue Verified

Quote from: Amendment in Construction
WHITE HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSAL
               
Income Taxes               
 Income Taxes    $1,376  B            
 by tax bracket                  
 9.5K-35K     10%                       51 B
 35K-80K      22%                       193 B
 80K-170K    28%                       242 B
 170K-368K  35%                       234 B
 368K-1M     40%                       213 B
 1M+    50%                              443 B

Financial Transaction Tax:
0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions.
$177 Billion per year
                  
Corporate Taxes:  $ 378.7 B                    
 rates                  
 0-50K          12%                   
 50-75K         23%                      
 75K-100K     30%                  
 100K-335K    31%                     
 335K-10M     33%                  
 10M-15M      34%                  
 15M+           35%                       
                  
National Broadcaster Levy  $ 18.6 B                  
 Individual (0.25% > $50K)  $ 13.9 B                  
 Corporate (0.5% > $350K) $ 4.7 B                  
                  
Healthcare Taxes    $ 697.7 B                  
 Healthcare Payroll Tax  (CSSRA sec.4)              $ 687.4 B                  
     4.5% Apr-Jun 2012, 6% Jul-Aug 2012, 6.5% Sep-Dec 2012, 2013                  
 Health Insurance Tax   (ANHA sec.2c)                 $ 10.3 B
               
Estate Tax Revenue    $47.9 B   
                  
Excise Taxes   $ 57.8  B                   
  Gasoline Tax  (20 cents/gallon)       $ 32.0 B                   
 Cigarette and Tobacco Taxes                       
    (43 cents/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* $ 6.9 B                   
 Alcohol Tax        (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*  $ 10.2 B                   
Marijuana Tax  ($1/pack cigarettes plus 10% on all products)*          $ 8.7 B
 *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act)

               
                  
Carbon Taxes  ($25-30/ton)    $ 152.7 B                  
 Domestic              $  133.6 B                  
 Carbon Import Tax  $  19.1 B                      
                  
                  
Special Program Taxes   $ 68.8 B               
 Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund)      $ 4.9 B                   
 Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund)  $ 33.1 B                  
Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B) $7.2 B                  
Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h) $23.6 B                  
                  
Customs Duties   $ 58.2 B                  
                  
Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.)   $ 83.4 B                  
                  
                  
Total Revenue    $2,939.8 Billion         


Budget Update: Part 2A - Tax Credits         
         
Dependent Child Tax Credit            115 B         
Education Tax Credits                       
   Higher Education                          75  B         
   Elementary/Secondary                   3.5 B         
Earned Income Tax Credit                46.3 B         
Adoption and Foster Care Credit         1.1 B         
Carbon Tax Residential Relief Credits         
   Carbon Tax Electricity Credit          11.6 B         
   Heating Fuel Consumption Credit     6.2 B         
   Fuel Efficiency Reimbursement        4.1 B         
Corporate Clean Energy Credit           2.7 B         
Alternate Energy R&D Credits            3.4 B         
Nuclear Waste Reprocessing Credit    2.9 B         
Public Transportation Tax Credit         6.4 B         
First-time Homebuyer Credit              2.8 B         
Retirement Savings Credits               2.5 B         
Individual Business Credits                2.2 B         
Foreign Tax Credit                          13.1 B         
  TOTAL                                    $ 298.8 Billion         

   Budget Update- Part 2B Direct Spending                
               
TOTAL Direct Spending = $ 2.517.18 Trillion               
               
Military Spending ($356.63 billion)               
$95.00 billion ... Military personnel               
$115.20 billion ... Operation and maintenance               
$60.00 billion .... Procurement               
$50.00 billion .... Research, development, test and evaluation               
$15.25 billion .... Military Construction, Family Housing and Other               
$18.29 billion .... Atomic Energy Defense Activities               
$2.89 billion ..... Defense Related activities
            
               
Afghanistan Operations ($29.0 billion)               
$19.0 billion ..... Military Operations               
$10.00 billion .... Reconstruction aid               
               
Military Retirement ($167.5 billion)               
$46.5 billion .... Military retirement               
$40 billion .... Income security for veterans               
$18 billion ...... Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation               
$ 8 billion….. Veterans mental health resources               
$50 billion ..... Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military               
$5 billion ...... Housing and other veterans benefits and services               
               
               
International affairs ($24.15 billion)               
$15.00 billion ...... International development and humanitarian assistance               
$3.0 billion ...... International military aid               
$5.0 billion ...... Conduct of foreign affairs               
$1.15 billion ...... Foreign information and exchange activities               
               
General science, space, and technology ($23.97 billion)               
$10.62 billion ...... National Science Foundation programs               
$3.44 billion ...... Department of Energy general science programs               
$9.91 billion ..... Space flight, research, and supporting activities               
               
Non-Defense Energy Spending ($14.62 billion)               
$0.73 billion ...... Energy supply               
$1.03 billion ...... Energy conservation and preparedness               
$0.36 billion ...... Energy information, preparedness, & regulation               
$12.5 billion ...... Go Green Fund               
               
Natural resources and environment ($36.06 billion)               
$5.45 billion ..... Water resources               
$9.07 billion ..... Conservation and land management               
$3.12 billion ..... Recreational & Park resources               
$8.42 billion ..... Pollution control and abatement               
$4.9 billion ....... Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax                 
$5.1 billion ....... Other natural resources               
               
Agriculture ($14.5 billion)               
$11.00 billion ..... Farm income stabilization & crop insurance               
$3.50 billion ...... Agricultural research and services               
               
Commerce and Housing Loan Programs ($6.82 billion)               
$-4.28 billion ..... Federal Housing Loan Programs               
$2.17 billion ...... Postal service               
$-0.96 billion ..... Deposit insurance               
$7.96 billion ...... Universal service fund               
$1.93 billion ...... Other advancement of commerce               
               
Transportation ($87.27 billion)               
$33.13 billion ..... Highways and highway safety               
$18 billion ......... High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act)               
$10 billion ...... Other Mass transit               
$2.81 billion ...... Railroads               
$17.26 billion ..... Air Transportation               
$5.65 billion ...... Water transportation               
$0.42 billion ...... Other transportation               
               
Community and regional development ($59.96 billion)               
$6.25 billion ...... Community development               
$8.36 billion ...... Area and regional development               
$10.15 billion ...... Disaster relief and insurance               
$2.5 billion ........ Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing               
$32.7 billion ...... Small Business Association               
               
Education ($118.52 billion)               
$72.57 billion ..... Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education               
$42.72 billion ..... Higher education               
$3.23 billion ...... Research and general education               
               
Training, labor and unemployment ($11.6 billion)               
$10 billion ...... Training and employment               
$1.6 billion ....... Labor law, statistics, and other administration               
               
Atlasian National Healthcare ($953.3 billion)
$239.5 billion ... IDS Community Health Partnership
$206.0 billion ... ME Community Health Partnership
$113.5 billion ... MW Community Health Partnership
$191.0 billion ... NE Community Health Partnership
$180.5 billion ... PA Community Health Partnership
$22.8 billion ..... Central Administration Costs               
               
Non-ANH Health Spending ($37.07 billion)               
$4.7 billion ....... Disease control, public health and bioterrorism               
$29.36 billion ... Health research and training               
$3.01 billion ..... Food safety and occupational health and safety               
               
Civilian Retirement (Social Security excluded) ($72.02 billion)               
$4.89 billion ...... Civilian retirement and disability insurance               
$58.22 billion .... Federal employee retirement and disability               
$8.91 billion ...... Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits               
               
Atlasian National Broadcaster ($6.35 billion)               
$4.6 billion …. Infrastructure buliding and acquisition                
$1.75 billion …. Initial start up costs                 
               
Aid to Low-Income Families ($182.96 billion)               
$67 billion ..... Housing assistance               
$87.58 billion ..... Food stamps               
$21 billion ...... Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches)               
$4.8 billion ....... Child care funds               
$2.58 billion ...... Other aid to low-income families               
               
General Family Support ($27.06 billion)               
$8 billion ...... Foster care and adoption assistance               
$2.92 billion ...... Child support and family support programs               
$16.14 billion ..... Social and family services               
               
Administration of justice ($29.79 billion)               
$7.25 billion ..... Federal law enforcement               
$7.46 billion ..... Border security and immigration               
$7.6 billion ..... Federal litigation and judicial activities               
$3.26 billion ...... Federal prison system               
$4.22 billion ...... Criminal justice assistance               
               
General government administration ($13.3 billion)               
$2.75 billion ...... Legislative functions               
$0.95 billion ...... Executive office programs               
$7.6 billion ....... IRS & other fiscal operations               
$2 billion ...... Other general government               
               
Interest on debt ($244.73 billion)               
$244.73 billion .... Net Interest[/size]               
               
***************************************               
               
SUMMARY: Current Projected Figures for 2012               
               
Direct Spending                 $2,517.18 billion   
Tax Credits                           $298.8 billion   
TOTAL Expenditures             $2,815.98 billion   
               
REVENUE               $2,939.8 Billion               
EXPENDITURES     -$2,815.98 billion               
BALANCE                $ 123.82 Billion

15574  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Pat Toomey - The Power Player on: July 30, 2012, 12:02:06 pm
Didn't one poll give him numbers similar to that of Casey?
15575  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: July 30, 2012, 11:56:26 am
Knockin on Heaven's Door - Bob Dylan
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