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15551  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: No Contracts for Illegals Act (Debating) on: March 28, 2011, 05:20:08 pm
I'm horrible with complex amendments, always been my weakness here in the Senate :-p

Now you know how the real Senators do it. They have staff and we don't. Tongue
15552  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: No Contracts for Illegals Act (Debating) on: March 28, 2011, 05:16:47 pm
A database of US citizens offends my miniscule Libertarian and constitutionalist sentiments. I think if you can strengthen both birth certificates and Social Security Cards/number while simultanouesly pursuing the fraudulent document industry, you don't need to create a database of citizens or have these ID card Euro-facist shannigans. (Maybe this will provoke something slightly above boredom nothingness. Tongue I am a professional tweaker and provoker of reactions.)

Now if you want to create such a database for legal non-citizens whether they be permenent residents or temporary guest workers, I think that is permissable as a reasonable secrurity measure and since of course temporary guest workers are just that and the expectation is that once "temporary" comes into real meaning the "guests" will depart from our humble castle like the Aunts and Uncles who come to visit as humble guests, they eventually depart. Tracking them in a databases is thus a reasonable way to ensure that they are not over staying their welcome. The permenent residents are an interesting question as far as to be databased or not to be databased.

You see we have been sold this lie that we need to take these ridiculous measures to solve this problem. Actually it is far easier and cheaper then we are wanted to beleive. So much so, that the only way to stop progress is to promote this fallacy. All you need is cut through the bureaucracy and red tape, get agencies and departments communicating with one another and then employ common sense measures that are relatively cheap. Why shouldn't the gov't take a tough hand on fraudsters whether it be in entitlements or documents? Why not let the no match lists be used by ICE and other people to crackdown on ID theft? Why is E-verify so damn scary? If you worry about racial profiling then attach stiff penalties and require it be used on all workers? There is no common sense in this debate, prescisely because it is too easy to do (It isn't easy to get officials to do it though).   
15553  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Feline Protection Act (Amendments/Debate) on: March 28, 2011, 04:51:52 pm
Do you people like vanish for two day spaces at a time or something? Tongue
15554  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Debating) on: March 28, 2011, 04:49:29 pm
Well they say the French are often unfashionably late. Tongue


The amendment has been adopted.
15555  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI-EPIC/MRA: Romney 46% Obama 41% on: March 27, 2011, 12:32:16 am
Actually no, he called for what basically ended up happening in the end with both going into a "managed bankruptcy" only minus the billions of dollars in taxpayer money that delayed it from December to June and the special deal the UAW got.

Page 118 "No Apology" by Mitt Romney,
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" If the cost disadvantage were allowed to persist, Detroit would eventually go out of business-and that would be a terrible shame, a human trajedy, and an avoidable outcome.
...

I opposed Washington's bailout for the industry in 2008 because it enabled GM and Chrysler to avoid the restructuring and productivity improvements essential for their success. The managed bankruptcy that I proposed ultimately occurred, but only after tens of billions of taxpayer money had been waisted, and only after sweetheart deals and paybacks for favored interest groups had been engineered with the public's money."


He goes on to say that if encouraging reports so far are accurate, the company will have a second chance.

Hardly "drop dead, Detroit" by any means. Roll Eyes
15556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Game Moderator Reform Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 10:17:27 pm
Does the sponsor accept the amendment as friendly?
15557  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Game Moderator Reform Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 10:16:55 pm
Quote from:  Amendment offered on the behalf of the President
Section 1 Game Moderator:
1.   The GM shall have responsibility for stories relating to nationwide affairs of economic, political, and miscellaneous natures. The Game Moderator shall also have co-jurisdiction over foreign affairs with the SoEA, and co-jurisdiction over regional affairs with the SoIA.
2.   In addition, the duties of the GM specified in F.L. 38-13 shall remain in effect in relation to domestic issues.
15558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Game Moderator Reform Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 10:14:01 pm
If they remain separate to the point that Foreign issues can be handled solely by say the SoEA then you create a situation that would discourage such interaction from occuring.
15559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Game Moderator Reform Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 10:12:48 pm
Co-jurisdiction would be a good way to ensure that the GM, SoEA, and SoIA work cooperatively for sure, and one of our biggest aims needs to be to ensure interaction between the various vessles of gov't.
15560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Census Bureau of Atlasia on: March 26, 2011, 09:29:34 pm
Painting all members of a party with one ideological label is likely to produce a misleeding result. Tongue
15561  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Mack IV to try to reclaim father's seat on: March 26, 2011, 08:07:19 pm
Big surprise, he clearly has statewide ambitions based on his actions on various issues. He passed up 2010 and now he is passing up 2012, makes me wonder what he is gunning for. Maybe challenging Rick Scott in 2014 GOP primary?


15562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Second Amendment to the Proportional Representation Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 07:41:39 pm
Senators, this bill is at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
15563  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Lief for GTO Ambassador (Voting on Confirmation) on: March 26, 2011, 07:36:49 pm
Vote on the confirmation of Lief to the position of Ambassador to the Global Trade Organization

Aye (Cool: Antonio V, bgwah, HappyWarrior, Kalwejt, NC Yankee, Oakvale, RowanBrandon, Shua
Nays (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): AHDuke99, Snowguy


The nominee has been confirmed.
15564  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Game Moderator Reform Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 07:23:33 pm
well?
15565  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to the OSPR.... (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 07:22:25 pm
The sponsor accepts the amendment has friendly.



Senators have 24 hours to object and request a roll call vote.
15566  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Second Amendment to the Proportional Representation Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 07:18:39 pm
Final vote time?
15567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Do Not PM List Act (Amendment at Vote) on: March 26, 2011, 07:16:53 pm
Does the sponsor see the amendment as friendly or hostile?
15568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: No Contracts for Illegals Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 07:13:57 pm
Do I need to resort to the bayonet to get you people here? Tongue


Perhaps this will set up a process to move this bill in a responsible direction by answering questions.

1. What exactly are we requiring be done by whom and for what purpose? This is pretty clear.
2. How is that to be done?
3. Who is given special treatment and why?

We need to focus on 2. We have had discussion in this thread discussion on whether to have a one sized fits all system of punishments and penalities or a case by case basis. What hasn't been discussed is how are companies to know whether or not someone is illegal. If you are going to mandate they do something would it not be wise to provide a system by which to ensure there employees are legit? Something like E-verify, that would provide a secure internet based system to verify status? If so, then what would the verification include and does the system already exist in Atlasia or does it need to be created by us?

Is it a singular database or does the system check various sources from ICE, to INS, The Dept of Homeland Security, and to a federal list of "stolen identities" looking for red flags?

Told you this was complex. Tongue
15569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Feline Protection Act (Amendments/Debate) on: March 26, 2011, 06:55:38 pm
Then I would like to amend my bill to replace scratching posts with scratching boxes.

There are two ways to do this, of which you have done neither as of yet. Tongue

You could offer an amendment that takes the entire clause or even the whole bill and modify it with the changes (which are writting in bold) and then offered as such.

Or you could offer and amendment that says something like this: "All instances of _____ are replaced with ________".

15570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Debating) on: March 26, 2011, 06:51:51 pm
For future reference, whenever a bill's sponsor introduces an amendment, could the sponsor state something to that effect when introducing it.


Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment.
15571  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: General Senatorial Discussion on: March 26, 2011, 06:48:33 pm
Since the abominable Snowman introduced the keeping of the exact times at which voting, debate, amendments etc stopped and started, I have decided to preserve this. However since it was started in January it has never been in place at a time in which Daylight Savings Time would impact it. So should I ignore it or try to incorporate it in somehow?
15572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: General Senatorial Discussion on: March 26, 2011, 01:43:08 am
Although I doubt but a few have noticed beyond those who have been informed by virtue of their high level connections (basically they happened to interrupt me at the right time), something has happened. Yes something very disagreeable. Very disagreeable indeed. Tongue

Somehow several programs of lesser importance get infected with the the virus win32/heur. Appearently it is in the the business of stealing passwords, and is one of more dangerous. A minor nuisance I would call it.

So now that nuisance has been eliminated, I can return my attention to the nuisances that number currently at 9, starting again tomorrow. Tongue

And just for the record, that damn ugly picture you people keep quoting is hell on my internet connection, especially now that its back down to running at 24k (well 40 was nice while it lasted).
15573  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Lief for GTO Ambassador (Voting on Confirmation) on: March 26, 2011, 01:26:47 am
Aye
15574  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Lief for GTO Ambassador (Questioning Nominee) on: March 24, 2011, 11:48:48 pm
A final vote is now open on confirmation of the nominee, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
15575  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: No Contracts for Illegals Act (Debating) on: March 23, 2011, 11:12:53 pm
I was expecting you guys to give me feed back on the appropriate lengths and other answers to the fill in the blanks I posted last night. I figure that the more people opine the more likely it will be right in the end. SO PLEASE DO SO!!!!! Angry

I'm not sure how to estimate that without any idea of what the verification mechanism would involve. Are we talking here about a retroactive system or only applying to new hires?


Indeed, hence why I wanted to facilitate the discussion in general to maybe get some anwers on those more encompassing problems without directly saying so (as that would scare people away from discussion based on the complexity alone).
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