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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Naturalization Act (Amendment at Vote) on: March 22, 2017, 05:19:22 am
Quote from: Amendment H5:14 by OneJ_
HOUSE BILL
To ensure all immigrants have a chance of obtaining citizenship

Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled,

Quote
Naturalization Act
Section I (The Purpose). The purpose of this act is to ensure that immigrants of Atlasia get a chance of becoming a citizen of the Republic of Atlasia.
Section II (The Requirements).
-Must be at least 18 years of age to file an application for naturalization.
-Must be a permanent resident (have a "green card") for at least one year.
-Must demonstrate good moral character (not being accused of felonies; a record of helping communities would be helpful).
-There is no requirement to learn English (although it is highly recommended).
-The language of English must be required to learn before becoming a citizen of Atlasia.
-Must demonstrate basic understanding of Atlasian government & history.
-Take an oath of allegiance to Atlasia.

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Objection filed by Enduro. A vote is now open on the above amendment, Representatives, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB 1094 - Ending the Embargo of Cuba Act (EECA) (Final Vote) on: March 22, 2017, 05:13:00 am
Quote from: Current Text
A House Bill
To bring to an end the longstanding Cuban embargo policy and to condemn the civil rights abuses of the Cuban regime

Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled,

Quote
Ending the Embargo of Cuba Act (EECA)

1. The Helms-Burton Act (1996) and the Cuban Democracy Act are hereby repealed.

2. The travel ban on Atlasian citizens travelling to Cuba is hereby lifted.

3. The Republic of Atlasia hereby declares its condemnation of the repeated extrajudicial killings, kidnapping and imprisonment of cuban dissidents. The Republic of Atlasia will continue its support for free and fair elections in Cuba, and urges the Cuban Government to begin the transition to democracy.

4. $50 million are hereby allocated to create an embassy in Cuba
Atlasian Regional Senate
Passed 6-0 in the Atlasian Senate assembled
Be it resolved, X Senator PiT, PPT

Atlasian People's House of Representative
Passed X to Y in the Atlasian house Assembled,


Going ahead and including my signature. Make sure to include the link for the final voting result (replace x an y with the numbers), Mr. Vice President.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB 1094 - Ending the Embargo of Cuba Act (EECA) (Final Vote) on: March 22, 2017, 05:10:33 am
AYE
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB 1096 - Federal Electoral Holiday Act (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 05:09:36 am
Does any current House member want to assume sponsorship?

Yeah, sure.

Representatives have 24 hours to object.

Not trying to step on your toes Goldwater, just want to get this counting down quickly.
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The Dfwlibertylover Minimum Wage Act of 2017 (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 05:07:14 am
I support a col change, and I will not support the removal of the flexibility given to the region.

The only reason I will support this is the preservation of the ability of regions to push for wages that work best for them. As I said my preference is to leave the Minimum wage around $10 and use expanded EITC to form the basis of supplementing that to ensure that in total, working people are bring in a living disposable income.

Relying on one arrow to achieve your desired result is certainly going to miss the mark. The Minimum wage at such high levels risks both accelerated automation and outsourcing of jobs. A mixed approach will lessen the consequences and burdens on the economy of doing either all one or all of the other.

However, as a regionalist. I will not force the regions to make the right policy choices and would rather see the issue fought over in regional elections. I do not see this as a matter of "reactionaries winning" as someone said it. I see it as a matter of regions determining the wage policy that works best for them.

Therefore while I am willing to support this bill, but that is conditional on the preservation of the clause allowing the regions to set their wages beneath the staggered levels, at the "minimum" of $10 an hour
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE RESOLUTION: Judiciary Term Limit Amendment (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 04:35:04 am
Blair and Truman, the new Napoleon and Opebo. Tongue The historians here will get the reference. Smiley


As my colleagues have pointed tom there are a number of flaws with this proposal. The first among them has been mentioned and that is that we would lose good Justices and struggle to replace them.

However, and I am glad people are so confident in the court now. There was time when this was proposed when the Justices were rather unpopular. I mean one of them was Opebo, nuff said. Tongue Anyway, as I stated then, my primary concern with judicial term limits is the threat of unequal justice. That Justices will rule different depending on when their term is in relation to its end and will game the system to curry favor with a region or administration in the hopes of gaining subsequent employment. Some say, this is a game and it is less of a concern. I disagree, the threat of unfairness in the court, which is often ruling on the election laws, risks the disenfranchisement of players who thus will be encouraged to de-register. This being a game that is based largely on voluntary participation, such a situation would be counter to the interests of the game.

Going further, it has long been my philosophical belief that the independent judiciary is essential for the preservation of democracy and that equality before the law under said judiciary is just as paramount. Judicial Term Limits, manages to harm both principles, while at the same time providing an imperfect solution to a presently (but previously existent) problem of activity on the court.

Therefore, I must oppose any attempt to apply term limits to the court.
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Support Victims of Mental Disorders Act (At Final Vote) on: March 22, 2017, 04:25:53 am
I would call 24 hours, but that is longer than the bill has left. Tongue

20 HRs LEFT!!!
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Presidential Succession Act of 2017 (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 04:24:44 am
The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocacy, or lest the bill be declared incompetent to serve.. Smiley
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / HOUSE BILL: Presidential Succession Act of 2017 (At Final Vote) on: March 22, 2017, 04:21:08 am
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A BILL
to revise the line of succession to the Presidency of the Republic of Atlasia in accordance with the expansion of the Cabinet

Be it resolved by both houses of Congress assembled
Quote
Title: Presidential Succession Act of 2017

Section 1 (Line of Succession)
i. If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall become President upon their resignation as Speaker and as Representative.
ii. If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President, nor Vice President, nor Speaker of the House of Representatives to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then then the President Pro-Tempore of the Senate (PPT) shall become President upon their resignation as PPT and as Senator.
iii. If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President, nor Vice President, nor Speaker of the House of Representatives, nor President Pro-Tempore of the Senate to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then then the officer Cabinet who is highest on the following list, and who is not ineligible to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall become President:
(1) the Secretary of State
(2) the Secretary of Internal Affairs
(3) the Attorney General
(4) the Secretary of Federal Elections
(5) the Registrar General
(6) the National Archivist
iv. If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President, nor Vice President, nor Speaker of the House of Representatives, nor President Pro-Tempore of the Senate, nor officer of the Cabinet to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then then most senior member of the House of Representatives shall become President.
v. If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President, nor Vice President, nor Speaker of the House of Representatives, nor President Pro-Tempore of the Senate, nor officer of the Cabinet, nor member of the House of Representatives to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then then most senior member of the Senate shall become President.
vi. If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President, nor Vice President, nor Speaker of the House of Representatives, nor President Pro-Tempore of the Senate, nor officer of the Cabinet, nor member of Congress to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then then Chief Justice of the Supreme Court shall become President.

Section 2 (Interim Presidency)
i. If, at the appointed hour for the inauguration of the President and Vice President, there is neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect yet able to assume the Presidency of the Republic of Atlasia, then the powers and duties of that office shall temporarily devolve upon an Interim President until such time as there shall be either a President-elect or a Vice President-elect.
ii. The officers of the government shall succeed to the Interim Presidency in the order established by Section 1 of this Act.
Atlasian People's House of Representatives
Pending


Sponsor: OneJ_ for Attorney General Truman
House Designation: HB 1098
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Criminal Justice Reform Act 2017 (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 04:14:45 am
Quote from: Final Text
A House Bill
To bring about reforms to the criminal justice system and other purposes

Be it passed it in Congress Assembled and Signed into Law

Quote
This bill is to be titled: Criminal Justice Reform Act 2017

Section 1. Basic Rights of Atlasian Inmates and criminally charged Atlasians
1. All individuals have the right to not face torture or other forms of physical and mental abuse by any Atlasian law enforcement officer or military officer no matter their nationality, or crime they are convicted of.
2. All Atlasian prisoners have the right to be outside of solitary confinement for at least 12 hours a day.
3. All Atlasian prisoners have the to access heating  when temperatures inside the prison go below 50 F and to access air conditioning when above 80 F.
4.All Prisoners have the right to go by the gender they identify with and be housed in a facility that coincides with their gender identity.

Section 2. Reform of criminal laws
1. Possession of any controlled substances Controlled Substances Act shall no longer be punished by fine or jail time, but instead convicts shall be required to serve in a rehab center.

Section 3. Other
1. This bill shall take effect immediately.
Atlasian People's House of Representatives
Passed 5-0 in the Atlasian House Assembled,

86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Criminal Justice Reform Act 2017 (At Final Vote) on: March 22, 2017, 04:12:26 am
Vote on Final Passage of the Criminal Justice Reform Act of 2017:

Aye (5): 1184AZ, NC Yankee, Peebs, OneJ_, and Simossad
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (4): Enduro, Heisenberg, Potus and Ted

With time having expired and quorum finally being reached, the bill has been passed and is sent to the Vice President.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Criminal Justice Reform Act 2017 (At Final Vote) on: March 22, 2017, 04:09:54 am
AYE
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Return Education To the Regions Act (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 04:07:03 am
Quote from: Amendment Offerred
A House Bill

Quote
Return Education To the Regions Act
Overview
1.Regional Government will be tasked with creating a regional framework for educational funding and curriculum. No reductions in Federal Funding will occur before July 1, 2017
2.Regional Governments must create access to free public schooling for grades K-12 for all school aged Atlasian citizens and permanent residents residing in their region.
Curriculum
1.While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. 
English:Grades 1-12
Math:Grades 1-12
Career Course: Grades 9-12

Takes Effect
1.This bill takes effect January 1st 2018.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Naturalization Act (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 03:54:36 am
I object to the amendment.

I am afraid I agree with Simossad.


It is not safe for them either. They will be stuck unable to obtain better pay, subject to abuse by employers, tenants and criminals. They won't be able to reach out to the authorities effectively or will be told lies about the authorities to keep them from reaching out to get help.

We are talking about the naturalization process here. If we want all citizens to succeed and be able to have an equal shot at achieving success, understanding the basics of the language and even of the system that will protect them and their rights, is critical.

Immigrants who want to succeed in this nation will do so anyway, we don't need government mandates on everything because it would help someone. For once, can we be honest with ourselves and say that people can protect their own interests, and don't need big brother government to hold their hands in every decision? Provide an English course, but make it optional.

I disagree. This an "optional" choice to become a citizen. No one is being forced to become a citizen by this bill. It is perfectly reasonable for the gov't to enforce laws that ensure a certain amount of community cohesion by stipulating regulations for the naturalization process. Requiring a uniform language and knowledge of the system is not just about protecting their interest, but also ours. It is of mutual benefit to to have an integrated society.

People want to speak whatever language they want, fine. But if you want to become a citizen here, there are rules must be followed in order to do so. I have not, nor have I ever believed in the complete, unregulated freedom of travel between countries and I certainly don't believe that we should bestow citizenship on people who will be disconnected from society. Anyone regardless of origin, should be able to become a citizen, but only if they follow the rules. 

The alternative will be the alienation of large pockets of society, which will become hot beds of terrorism and separatism.

We are united by our values and unless we can communicate with one another and know those values, the unity they bring is hollow.

I cannot support this bill without an English mandate.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Naturalization Act (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 03:44:54 am
That's the thing. I feel that immigrants should be able to learn English at their own pace and not necessarily rush (especially if they've lived in America for such a brief time). On top of this, they have to settle somewhere, take care of children, find work, learn the way of living, etc. That's a lot!

Maybe taking a English-learning (foundations) course for a minimum # of weeks, but that's basically it.



Rushed? This person has to be a green card holder a for a year before they can even apply, according to the underlying text?
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: End the NSA Spying Act (Debating) on: March 22, 2017, 03:40:17 am
This seems like a very blunt, vague and frankly not at all professional bill. In it's current form it would stop the NSA from intercepting the calls of an Atlasian citizen who'd traveled to Syria to fight for Daesh.

I hope the House will vote it down

Let's all sacrifice our freedoms because a small percentage of us might be terrorists.

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that Governance/writing legislation isn't as simple as pointing and saying 'do this'

A lot of legislation could be said to fall under such criticism. Not every member is going to be a policy wonk.

And in this case it is rather simple what is said. A warrant shall be required before spying on Atlasians. If a person tried to join the group, would it be so difficult to obtain such?
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2017-062: New Senate Rules Resolution (Passed) on: March 22, 2017, 03:34:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoopfp5iaKw
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: February 2017 Federalist Convention (Voting) on: March 22, 2017, 03:10:10 am
We have made enormous progress in my view. With the efforts of Goldwater, PiT and myself as well as many others in multiple parties, Congress is working again. That means the people have a voice. The Regions have a voice. That is an important step. That means that if you have an issue you can contact your Senators and your Representatives. You can get your desired bill to the floor, make the case for it, and if you get the votes you can pass it into law. We have sent more bills to the President in the past 3 weeks then in the past 3 months. Legislation has been signed to remove unnecessary military bases, to provide resources for research in to alternative energy vehicles, and alternative extraction methods to replace fracking. Legislation has been passed to secure our borders and provide a humane solution for those here illegally. We finally passed out and got ratified an amendment to solve future tied elections and will soon pass another clarify voting standards. Work is ongoing on other important topics including the very complex issue of health care.

We have very diverse slate of House members, meaning practically every form of political view is represented to some extent. I have been working to engage our members in the new caucus structure, get the caucus structure working with the Representatives that most closely align with their views. But I cannot get this up and running, and also spend my previous time sorting out the latest drama, over lack of action or whatever, that is in itself causing the lack of action.


Drop the drama, work with me to build engagement and to ensure that every member, of every viewpoint has a seat at the table in the House and on the platform committee. That is my wish and that is my objective.


This is not the Republican Party. This is not the Conservative or Libertarian Party. We are the Federalist Party. We were formed by a merger of the pro-regionalist/Libertarian Imperial Bloc and the conservative Whig Party. We have stood at the forefront against attempts to dissolve the regions, to strip them of their representation, to politicize the Court, against Executive Overreach, against a corrupt Department of Justice, against attempts to dissolve the game and split the game up. Our members were leading voices at the Constitutional Convention. Our party (contrary to the lies and distortions) successfully blocked attempts at nationalizing phama, hospitals, railroads, banks, health insurance and yes, POWER COMPANIES long before certain others realized old Labor was rather socialist. Our party has been at the forefront of tax reform, market based and regionally based healthcare reform, reforms to healthcare delivery systems. Our party has championed, encouraged and collaborated to restore regions, and provide regions with more, not less, opportunities to govern responsibly including on education and healthcare. Our Party twice preserved the rights of regions to determine their policies on protecting the unborn.

- We believe that people make better decisions than  government.
- We support a "federalist" system of checks and balances to preserve and protect your freedom.
- We thus believe it is important to protect and strengthen the regions.
- We support reforms that will strengthen the game, but keep regions at the table.
- We believe that all people are equal and entitled to equal rights
- We believe in a gov't only strong enough to protect freedom and too weak to jeopardize it.
- We stand for market and/or regionally based solutions to improve the well being of hard working families, improve education and healthcare, and reduce pressing economic inequalities.
- Finally, we stand for a game that welcomes all participants, new and old, and cherishes the contributions they make to the game.


We may disagree on how best to achieve these goals, but most every Federalist, including every Federalist President has stood by these basic principles. This (worded in paragraph form) has served as our mission statement since July 2014. I wrote it. Our platform has not been updated much. It would be easy for me to just rewrite it myself. But instead I choose a different path. I want to get everyone active in caucuses that represent their values, I want those caucuses to elect leaders and I want those leaders to serve as the Platform Committee.

If you want to help me get this in motion, I'll be here.

If you want to waste time on pointless bickering, I will not join you in wasting a single moment.  I will be busy. Busy making Congress work for the people, busy working to help the President where I can and busy implementing this plan. And thus, I am too going to be too busy for bullsh**t.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: February 2017 Federalist Convention (Voting) on: March 22, 2017, 02:49:27 am
There has been this criticism of the Federalist Party and despite a whole knew slate of people, it is still prevalent and that is that there is the irresistible urge to eat its own. The fact that I have seen it now in two center-right parties, under 7 different Party Chairs, leads me to believe that is an inherent trait from RL.

It is not easy bringing conservatives, libertarians, and conservative leaning-moderates together under one roof. And there is always that one issue, that someone wants their own way on and if they don't get it, they go nuts, leave, quit whatever.

It is easy to say lets splinter. Well that happened once before. After the RPP dissolved, all the centrists coalesced into a center-left Party and no one could get close to winning the Presidency unless they were left or center-left. Dissolving, splintering, dividing has always been the easy out, but it is the path to ruin. Without the broad coalition and the mutual support that a party brings, the right quickly becomes irrelevant. I am not against third parties, I willingly supported center-right candidates because I thought a competitive race was more important then going down to a landslide defeat against say TNF. So it was natural for me make that call and I don't regret it. However, I have seen the downside of that two. When the opportunity presents itself they come to plot against each other, undermine each other, challenge each other, hampering united efforts in other races or providing the impetus/excuse for others to say "well screw them". And every time that happened, Labor and before them the JCP laughed all the way to the bank.

This is the internet, the natural state of things is a liberal leaning demographic. Perhaps in real life, you have the chance to convert people to your beliefs, but on here that chance is low and it is close quarters. Throwing yourself out on the altar of perfectionism, is only going to get you one thing, defeat because there is no "Conservative" majority as Classic Conservative would define it and there never has been.

Now that said there have been "governing majorities" for market based solutions, for regional empowerment, and for preserving our critical constitutional institutions that protect our freedom. We have been blessed lately, to have achieved more opportunities of this sort in the past year, than at any point in the previous TWELVE YEARS of Atlasia. Whether it was last year, or last month, or last week. Ask yourself what has stood in the way of success? What has prevented us from living up our potential? We have had plenty of petty disagreements blown way out of proportion over those issues of disagreement. We have had many people get angry because of failure to communicate or improper attempts at communication.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: February 2017 Federalist Convention (Voting) on: March 22, 2017, 02:10:34 am
Look, everyday I come on and it is new crisis and a new scandal. I had precisely 3 PMs in my inbox of, and none of them concerned any of the matters of concern that have been brought up in this thread over the past 48 hours, certainly none related to or from the President.

Look, I have done my damnedest to help the President since he took office. I have supported him on every matter or at the very least to deferred to him out of respect for the fact that he is the President. I have stated repeatedly that elected members should vote inline with the promises they made and that the President should also be given the room to honor the promises he made. As recently as Monday morning, I said that the Congressional delegation and the Senators should vote as they feel right and that not every item is going to get unanimous support with a diverse array of membership as we have.

But we have a situation forming here where we are losing both the critics of the President and the President. It is not an unfamiliar situation, but it is nevertheless a frustrating one to have two opposed factions arise and then depart from the party at the same time. Suddenly we are losing at both ends. Dfw ran a public campaign, he made promises, many of them were conservative some were more moderate.

One thing conservatives seem to love to do, is spend a lot of time deciding who is, and who is not, a member of their movement and then spend all their energies purging that blight from existence. Frankly, in all circumstances I have found this practice to be counterproductive and the greatest gift that the left has ever dreamed off. "But damn it, we fought for perfectionism". "We fought for 100% and even though it resulted in socialism winning and us getting 0%, we sure as hell didn't settle 95%". Ask yourself this, what is the difference between that mindset and openly voting for and endorsing said socialism? The practical result is the same in the end, you might as well. Purist demands for perfection to the point of defeat has been the greatest betrayal of conservatism the past 20 years has witnessed.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Michael Bloomberg electable nationally? on: March 20, 2017, 04:21:04 am
As an indie, he would deny the Democrats needed votes in high end suburbs making it impossible to beat Trump.

Something like 45-40-15.
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: February 2017 Federalist Convention (Voting) on: March 20, 2017, 04:15:41 am
"Total dictatorship - dissent squashed!"

Says the guy who wants the purge every single third party movement, oh except that one that we warned was dangerous for 2 years. They were fine as long as they were still voting for Laborites. Of course then they hitched a ride on a Laborite Administration and the end result was Bloody July. Tongue
98  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NH-1 on: March 20, 2017, 03:26:38 am
Smolthchanov is right.


Innis would be the strongest candidate, but I don't see him running next time. Sanborn and Burt don't have prayer. Edwards is a nice guy, but I don't think he can beat CSP

If not Innis - who else (preferrably NOT ultraconservative)?
I don't know if there's anyone out there right now.

John Stephens who ran for governor in '10 is a name I've heard mentioned. He's more on the moderate side. Another person who I think could beat her is former State Rep Adam Schroadter. He's in line with  more liberty/Paul type Republicans but also is moderate on issues like abortion. With the right money he could go far.

Normally I would say Rich Ashooh but after his loss to Guinta in a winnable primary I think he's out of contention. 

I wish Stephens had run again in 2012 for Governor. He would have done a lot better.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2016-047 - Universal Healthcare and Affordability Act (Debating) on: March 20, 2017, 01:48:04 am
Sorry, I don't know why I just noticed this but this would have to be the most expensive bill ever passed in the history of the republic if these numbers were accurate.  The United States spent $2.9 trillion total on healthcare in 2013 which is about $9,255 per person.  There is no way these numbers are anything close to accurate; either Dkrol added several too many zeros or something went completely wrong in his calculations.

I'll seek to have this revised.

Actually I don't think it is wrong.

Historical NHE, 2015: NHE grew 5.8% to $3.2 trillion in 2015, or $9,990 per person, and accounted for 17.8% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Medicare spending grew 4.5% to $646.2 billion in 2015, or 20 percent of total NHE. Medicaid spending grew 9.7% to $545.1 billion in 2015, or 17 percent of total NHE.Dec 2, 2016

Medicare+Medicaid is 1.1 Trillion.

800 billion might actually be low balling the cost.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2016-047 - Universal Healthcare and Affordability Act (Debating) on: March 20, 2017, 01:20:10 am
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Total Costs
The total sum cost of this bill is projected to cost $816,424,000,000 per year. This figure, however, is based off of the number of people covered in the United States of America under Medicare and Medicaid. It is impossible for the Department of the Game Moderator to provide a more exact figure on the costs of covering every single Atlasian under the AtlasCare system.


Single payer is about $3 Trillion a year. If you assume some costs are wastes and that 17% of GDP number can be reduced somewhat. You are still looking at $2 trillion or in that range of 2-3.

Thankfully we are not doing that.

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