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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FOUCAULF FOR NYMAN - Concession Announcement on: March 17, 2015, 12:55:43 am
    Some friendly advice; time washes away all memories in Atlasia. Anyone who sticks around long enough can have their image rehabilitated. I know you made some serious missteps in this campaign, but those will eventually be forgotten. Somewhere down the road you may be able to re-evaluate that decision and run for Senate again.

At least I don't carry the RPP private forum post about having recruited Hamilton in my signature. Tongue Though might as well since I mentioned it so much these days. Wink
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 11:33:32 pm
I did say I made my last public statement, but this post will be written OoC. I guess it doesn't count the same way.

Adam did mention to me that I was not an ideological fit with any party, and I agree with him on that. But let's get real: I lost the election on name recognition. The biggest hurdle for me would never anything policy-specific. It was that I had ran in at most a sixth as many elections as every other candidate did.

In order to gain reputation quickly, I had to develop a public image that was controversial and interesting. You see this, of course, with real political contenders in the U.S. Attacking the Labour platform was particularly attractive in the MW, partly because Lebron did such a bang-up job as governor and because it does seem ridiculous that a Labour party that presided over a civil war can still retain its majority.

With the at-large race, I dealt with a situation where 60% of the electorate (and 75% of Federalist voters) did not know who I was. This is the driving reason I sought the TPP endorsement, though now that I'm a Party member I will take my position seriously. I later reached out to the CRs and the TDs for external support.

My goal was that I needed to get at least 30 first-prefs in a three-way matchup with JCL, and at least 60 first-prefs in a final with Adam. I was right on the nose with the final round prediction, though a bit behind on the JCL part. If I weren't swamped with real life activity this weekend, I would've made a harder-hitting GOTV effort.

The point of my campaign, up to a certain point, was to be the very opposite of a milquetoast candidate who would edge to victory after harassing other Atlas users with prewritten ballot PMs. Instead, I played a controversial orator who would get first prefs because he was more interesting than you. This is why I was as tired of Federalist strategy as much as I was tired of Labour.

I'm not going to speak on how much I said in the campaign are my real opinions, since that would ruin the image. I am a bit disappointed by the back-and-forths in this thread, because it means my campaign didn't change how people see the game.

Instead of cracking some egos, a haphazard performance on my part only reinforced them. That was my greatest error.

This game will always have egos, that is never going to change.

Your biggest mistake was that you kept limiting your support. Attacking the RPP, attacking the Feds, claiming I was some sort of sick power hungry individual when any Federalist tells you I operate as a team leader not a dictator, the abortion ruling (good thing maybe, but played horribly wrong) and so on. You could have been controversial and engaging, and also strategic at the same time. Hating bland campaigns is fine, but jumping from there to some labor-Fed equivalence and attacking both whilst math alone dictates you need the latters seconds to beat the former, not a good move.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 11:26:23 pm
To leap to Foucaulf's defence here, the case he pursued did much more than just overturn the Late term abortion act. Now abortion policy is exclusively the preserve of the regions, something right wingers have long been pushing for. Hell, TJ concurred with the judgment in full. I don't know if Foucaulf is pro life or pro choice, but that case was very much a wing for regionalism

Wondefull! Then encourage regions to pass bans on late-term abortions then. Show little compassion on the issue. Don't celebrate a vacuum the results in baby killing. TJ is a very detailed and smart guy, and I am proud of his service on the Supreme Court. No one denies the victory for regions, and I certainly don't see the ruling as having been wrong.

That. Is. Literally. Not. The. Point. The point is, don't shove the situation in the faces of pro-life voters you need to beat labor.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 12:42:47 pm
Honestly, I still don't see what you guys gain from essentially throwing the election to Labor, but you guys are gonna do what you are gonna do.  If you want, I can elaborate more via PM or publicly if Yankee doesn't mind me disclosing details of what he wanted.

Just ask Hagrid who the most pro-TPP Federalist other than Duke was. If he says it was him, he's lying. I was pro-TPP, just like I was pro-DR. So much assistance, some much moral support and encouragement and yet the "gratitude has been off the charts". I went to the bat for Superique when Oakvale was voting for Ogis. I support Lumine over TNF. I worked to get either Simfan or Deus in over Alfred. I tried to help Sirnick even whilst other Federalists wanted to spurn him for my sake and I had a much closer relationship with DemPGH. I GOTVed like crazy for Spiral. And jumped for joy when Polnut won in August along with two Feds and Deus. Until January I thought we were all on the same side, then I start getting the dire warnings of impending doom, then finally the, "I think you are a great Senator and I love you, but..." PMs. Blind support is no longer on the table, I can do many things, but that sell is not possible anymore in this party. Ironically, it was Hagrid last June who was saying enough was enough as he voted for DemPGH.

I have been called a push-over before, I prefer to think of myself as selfless. I tried to make it work and tried to get at least some reasonable concessions, all of which were in line with foucaulf's own themes, as a means of earning my support and that of the other Federalists in spite of what went down last month.
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 11:42:29 am
There was a general (lazy) narrative that the Fed collapse would lead to TPP becoming the de facto party of the Right. It was never true, if only because we're not any more welcoming to the social issue zealots or gun maniacs than Labor is.

Actually the theory is that the social conservatives would leave the game in that scenario. Most of the current crop of social conservatives were brought in by me or Tmth or someone recruited by us, and PiT brought both of us in. So they must have left before or become so spread around as to not be of any electoral strength once before. The reason I know this is because it was constant threat if things didn't break open soon during the RPP days.

Of course you are never going to experience that scenario first hand.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 11:32:53 am
    Looking at the votes that he lost, I can't help but wonder if Federalist Foucaulf would have taken this one.

Couldn't disagree more.

Fixed that for you.

What was the response to my recommendations two days ago? Silence.

You get what you pay for.


I don't know what the response was since I merely passed those along, as I told you.  I'm pretty sure we both know a significant aspect of what you'd asked for is a non-starter for a whole host of reasons.  Honestly, I still don't see what you guys gain from essentially throwing the election to Labor, but you guys are gonna do what you are gonna do.  If you want, I can elaborate more via PM or publicly if Yankee doesn't mind me disclosing details of what he wanted.

Ceasing attacks on the Feds and RPP were a non-starter? Finding another area to emphasize regionalism then late fing term abortion, was a non-starter? Preserving a regionalist and market based healthcare law that was signed by the TPP founder, was a non starter for a candidate screaming about markets and regions?

I suppose that begs the question of why Foucaulf was obligated to not do any of those and literally throw his own chance of election down the drain when none of them his inconsistent with the overall themes he ran on. Your pro-region? Prove it. Legalizing late term abortion might have been the right thing to do legally, but it sure as hell wasn't morally speaking and certainly not the best way to promote oneself to socially conservative regionalists. If Foucaulf was incapable of diversifying the portfolio in this area, then how his he any more pro-Region the Adam Griffin? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. We don't know because that is literally the issue he led that discussion on.  

My apologies, there were apparently significant misunderstandings regarding what you were asking for.  I thought you wanted him to become pro-life or something.

Don't make fun of our chairman just because he is stupid

Party unity at it's finest

Calling me stupid was not a good idea. I am insane, not stupid. Smiley

I redacted the "r" word out of this. Not saying you are saying I am stupid, just that "I am crazy, not stupid". Wink
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 11:25:24 am
    Looking at the votes that he lost, I can't help but wonder if Federalist Foucaulf would have taken this one.

Couldn't disagree more.

Fixed that for you.

What was the response to my recommendations two days ago? Silence.

You get what you pay for.


I don't know what the response was since I merely passed those along, as I told you.  I'm pretty sure we both know a significant aspect of what you'd asked for is a non-starter for a whole host of reasons.  Honestly, I still don't see what you guys gain from essentially throwing the election to Labor, but you guys are gonna do what you are gonna do.  If you want, I can elaborate more via PM or publicly if Yankee doesn't mind me disclosing details of what he wanted.

Ceasing attacks on the Feds and RPP were a non-starter? Finding another area to emphasize regionalism then late fing term abortion, was a non-starter? Preserving a regionalist and market based healthcare law that was signed by the TPP founder, was a non starter for a candidate screaming about markets and regions?

I suppose that begs the question of why Foucaulf was obligated to not do any of those and literally throw his own chance of election down the drain when none of them his inconsistent with the overall themes he ran on. Your pro-region? Prove it. Legalizing late term abortion might have been the right thing to do legally, but it sure as hell wasn't morally speaking and certainly not the best way to promote oneself to socially conservative regionalists. If Foucaulf was incapable of diversifying the portfolio in this area, then how his he any more pro-Region the Adam Griffin? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. We don't know because that is literally the issue he led that discussion on.  
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 06:44:06 am
     Looking at the votes that he lost, I can't help but wonder if Federalist Foucaulf would have taken this one.

Couldn't disagree more.

Fixed that for you.

What was the response to my recommendations two days ago? Silence.

You get what you pay for.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 06:37:45 am
Well Griffin deserves congratulations for winning by such an impressive margin. That's not as easy as it looks.

I can handle my side losing a seat to Labor. They are an extremely organised party, and it was always the most likely result. But the Atlasian Right deserves nothing but contempt tonight. The Federalist rump party is in the sad position of being too weak to actually come close to electing anyone worthwhile but is enough of a decrepit vote bank to land their unelectable candidate ahead of Foucaulf. The less said about the shameless cowardice of the Civil Union the better.

Since you obviously cannot defeat labor on your own, then I can think of no better way to defeat them then the strategy you have embarked upon in this post.

But it can't be ignored that this is also an election where plenty of nominal TPPers split away and voted for any candidate other than the sun other than our nominee. That our founder, Duke, was one of our number voting to hand full and total control of the federal government over to one of our opponents merely compounded the political humiliation. In light of that I'll of course be considering my position as Chair in the coming days.

UMINE VON REUENTAL 68 (Dereich, Scott, Frodo, PiT, IndTX, A Person, YSY, DC al Fine, J. Enderman, SWE, Sjoyce, Lumine, Hagrid, GAworth, A. Kreitzer, Cris, Mordecai, M. Rose, Flo, Superique, R. Keaton, Reaganfan, NHI, MasterJedi, TDAS04, Oldies, Outofbox, Hifly, Sanchez, Fritz, JerryAR, Cassius, Oak Hills, Spamage, Goldwater, Rooney, Benconstine, TJ in Cleve, tmthforu, BaconBacon, Cathcon, sbane, NCYankee, Pingvin, Inks, JCL, JulioMadrid, RogueBeaver, Daveosupremo, dead0man, Siren, Miles, Pessimistic, Duke, Deus naturae, Spiral, Shua, Supersonic, Kalwejt, ZuWo, Small L, Elections Guy, Torie, Cinyc, Angus, Jbrase, Thomas D, Smid)

ADAM GRIFFIN 67 (Talleyrand, Mr X, TNF, Snowguy, Cranberry, Badgate, Windjammer, Snowstalker, Bore, Hawkeye, Rejectamenta, Adam OABB, Averroës Nix, Antonio V, Marokai, Sirnick, DemPGH, Nathan, Icehand Gino, Hashemite, Xahar, Brewer, Zanas, Njall, Ebowed, A. Belano, Peeperkorn, Morgieb, A. Griffin, Polnut, Bgwah, Napoleon, Malaspina, Gass, P. Kemp, Gen. Mung Beans, A. F. Jones, Progressive Realist, Sir John Johns, Bacon King, Tyrion, Mechaman, Oakvale, Sol, Maxque, BRTD, Afleitch, Matt from VT, Meeker, ilikeverin, nclib, Cincinnatus, Peternerdman, Keystone Phil, Clinton96, Ogre Mage, JoeMad, Seatown, Homely, Grumps, Lief, Dallasfan, EarlAW, Foucaulf, Franzl, Sibboleth, Velasco)

Full and total control was up for grabs then and Duke even asked you to vote against Griffin then, but you were too busy facilitating Labor. Labor has not changed, they have always supported the same things generally. What's your excuse?
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 01:51:38 am
The last time Griffin was defeated, it took a united Federalist Party (Save for Matt I think) to get then Progressive Union Party Member Lumine in by just one vote. Spurning the Federalists as a whole was not a path to success regardless of how much has changed in the past year. As our candidate, Foucaulf would have at least made it to the final round. The Labor Party is larger than it has ever been right now and every vote matters.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 16, 2015, 01:17:58 am
This will be my last public comment, but:

     Looking at the votes that he lost, I can't help but wonder if Federalist Foucaulf would have taken this one.
I really think he would've. I mean, Federalist Foucaulf almost became MW Governor!

I did not receive any support from the Federalist Party during my gubernatorial run. I found support from some Federalists in the Mideast and made connections that way (like JoMCaR, for instance), but  the initiative was from my end. My final score was also due to me personally PMing over five days all those who were opposed to MW Labour's antics.

I did not receive any further response from the Federalists after my defeat. The only correspondence I ever received was a PM from JCL demanding why I did not vote for him in the presidential election. If I felt like the Federalists could wage a better ground campaign in my region, I would not have switched parties.

After voting for BK over Cris, some coolness was to be naturally expected though. This Party has long been deprived of close elections where greater party unity would have made the difference and thus being one more in a long list of that didn't help. Even so, had you reached out to me, I would have done everything I could to boost you in public and whip up support in private. However, being focused on my own campaign after having had to move the middle of January, I barely even noticed what was going on in the Midwest until the elections. But you never did in that race nor in this race either for that matter.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Poirot for At-Large Senate on: March 16, 2015, 12:27:07 am
It had been my hope to get to serve with you in the Senate at least once. Hopefully, one day we will both be in the chamber together. Smiley
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of JCL on: March 16, 2015, 12:23:05 am
Congrats on putting forth such a strong effort man. Smiley
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 16, 2015, 12:18:56 am
Is that your plan for Nyman? Tongue

Also congratulations on being the first At-Large Senator to enter office whilst I was not Regional Senator of the DS/IDS/SE since Marokai Blue in May of 2009.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: March 2015 At-Large Special Senate Election on: March 15, 2015, 11:59:40 pm


AT-LARGE SENATE (to fill one vacancy)


[  ] Adam Griffin of New Brunswick
Labor Party



[  ] Foucaulf of Minnesota
The People's Party



[ 1 ] JohanusCalvinusLibertas (JCL) of Indiana
Federalist Party



[ 2 ] Poirot of Quebec
Independent



[ 3 ] Write-in:___dkrolga___________________________



[ 4 ] Write-in:___North Carolina Yankee___________________________



[  ] None of the above
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FOUCAULF FOR NYMAN - Concession Announcement on: March 15, 2015, 11:53:14 pm
Bacon King is one of the top three longest serving Senators (just not continously Wink) in Atlasian history. He was a close ally of bgwah in the JCP, he was part of the "Events in the Pacific" shall we say and he was a high profile member of TPP. I liked him a lot and I am sorry to see him leave, but to say that "the elite" went after BK is a little much. He was as much a part of the Atlasian political establishment as anyone can be.

I think you ran a good campaign, but I think your strategy was at cross purposes. If defeating labor was your primary goal, then starting fires elsewhere only hindered your efforts. Criticizing the Federalists, criticizing the found memory of the RPP (doffs hat in rememberance), and even your regionalist pitch was based largely on a issue of moral significance to many of our membership, all did not help. A different approach would have worked out much better.
 

92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: U.S. senate to consider changing Marijuana status from Class 1 to Class 2 on: March 15, 2015, 06:37:45 pm
I'm sure there are better drugs to be used for medical purposes other than marijuana.  I'm reluctant to support its use for medical purposes since we have better ways of treating people.

     I'm sure it is not always or even often perfect, but it does have medicinal uses. That alone should make us reconsider placing it in Schedule I.

The main psychoactive compound in Marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol(THC), is considered a Schedule 3 drug by the DEA. So why should the plant be Schedule 1? Especially since the plant contains other non-psychoactive compounds such as cannabidiol(CBD), which potentially has even more medicinal benefits than THC.

Stupid politicians? Wink
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 15, 2015, 05:58:53 pm
Its a race with a lot of controversial and polarizing figures in it. So it doesn't surprise me.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Set It and Leave it Alone Minimum Wage Act of 2015 (Debating) on: March 15, 2015, 04:41:23 pm
Your main argument, Mr. shua, resides on the thought that the whole labor system would collapse in itself when this novella of the law is being passed. This is most untrue. We are not, if I may, I quote, "closing off avenues for people to get (...) experience" - simply because the option of unpaid internships expires for companies, said will still be in need of younger, "fresh" manpower. They will not suddenly stop to hire people, simply because they cannot do so - companies will continue to need the same workforce they do today, they will need the same works currently done by unpaid interns to be done by some employees.  There will however be a difference in that they will then have to pay those people they would have kept on timely confined and unpaid internships at least the minimum wage.

Yes and subjected to the same rigorous demands on experience and education as other employees thus closing off the avenues as shua said. The companies don't take risks in this day in age, that is why I used to the "pre-packed, foiled sealed ready to go employee with 10 years experience and a superb degree" line in the now tabled interns bill. He is not saying the whole labor market will collapse, he is saying it will become more restricted and exclusive, the exact opposite goal of what you want to achieve here.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DEEPLY DISTURBING: Former VP Candidate Devin Caught in a Scandal! on: March 14, 2015, 11:56:20 am
Man, is everybody dumb? Socks always get caught, so I dunno why they bother.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=6503

But not always right away.

Maistre was around for at least a year also.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FOUCAULF FOR NYMAN - Real Policies + Appeal to Labour members on: March 13, 2015, 11:20:22 pm
Is there anyone who has attempted or even proposed to get rid of at-large Senate seats?

It seems likely to pass overwhelmingly. I probably was leaning closest to nay of the lot being rather undecided, and I am now departed from the chamber,
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 13, 2015, 09:21:42 pm
Well that's an interesting result.
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of oakvale (new poll) on: March 13, 2015, 09:12:19 pm
The chat room is this forum on steroids (and equally as 'early 2000's' in execution)  People in it are grating in a way you're not allowed to be on here which makes posters like oakvale, see posters on here in a new light. The more time I spend on chat (and I don't spend much time on there), the more I 'hate' you all on here. Cheesy

This forum has enough sourpusses from the British isles. We are much better off with the friendly Scot. Smiley

Ironically, I have been on IRC chat more in the last two weeks, than at anytime since May 2013. Just not in the Atlas's seedy underground. Wink Election night was my last appearance in there and before that New Years Day 2014 I think. 
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DEEPLY DISTURBING: Former VP Candidate Devin Caught in a Scandal! on: March 13, 2015, 08:22:30 pm
Can someone tell me what's up with the Pacific and socks? We just had a councilor, Intell, and someone who's run like a ton and pretty active to be found to be making socks as well (except way more seriously).


I don't think it has much to do with the Pacific. The IDS had Giovanni/Maistre for instance.

This became known to me a few days ago, and probably foolishly on my part I wanted to believe that KCR was indeed a friend and that the IP match was merely an accident. I told Devin to go directly to the mods and be completely straight with them or he would end up like Simfan did. He didn't take my advice (on the being clear and open part) and since the story appears to have been false, it is probably stands to reason just why he took the approach that he did instead. I hope this proves to be a learning experience for him.

He is not the first and probably won't be the last. Its just the way of it with this place as unfortunate as that is.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Krol for At-Large Senate: The Face of Real Change on: March 13, 2015, 08:04:56 pm
All I said was that if the CRs also didn't work out for him returning to us would be on the table from our perspective. Smiley
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