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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 11:03:11 pm
I have also had this distinct feeling of deja vu regarding the whole issue as well meaning this might not even be necessary.

77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 11:00:56 pm
Quote from: Was this really so freaking hard? Roll Eyes
   (b.) Licensed health care clinicians who accept any payment from the Atlasian National Health Care Program may not bill any patient for any the covered service service rendered for which the aforementioned payment was received.



And you bitch about mean for not keeping things simple enough Nix. Instead of moanin about it for a month, you could have typed this up yourself and had someone offer it. Tongue
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 10:37:24 pm
That is why I inserted the acronyme after the name of the program. I realize that you didn't but I think Scott and maybe NAppy did raise the naming issue.

Nappy raised the naming issue because Fritzcare is a vernacularism. That's one concern, but as far as making things functional is concerned, it's critical that we reference by name any prior law that we mean to change.
Again, but it is a question of form and I have been asking for format issues to be re posted so that they can be addressed.

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1. As I have been saying, we can fix that by changing the wording of that particular clause, could you not?

You could, but someone needs to do that. Any Senator who wants this to pass (and to work as intended) should be jumping at the opportunity.
I would assume finding an appropriate wording is discouraging attempts to some extent.


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2. As I have been asking for days for people to point out inconsistency, then fine, we can address that.

I pointed out both of these inconsistencies weeks ago and they have only been ignored.

Not ignored, delayed as other items were addressed that were thne, as you are conviently forgetting, took longer as Matt's RL obligations weighed on his activity as VP. I asked that they be reposted now that we have a more efficient administration of the thread and can thus restart with where we left off and rather then rely on people to dig, I requested they be posted here towards the end so people would be more likely to jump in and take a plunge on an issue.

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3. It would depend on the private market an to what extent that would cover people

Obviously. But you're proposing a reform and I'm asking: Why propose risk pooling in the first place? How will it work? What problem - in the context of Atlasian health care - is it supposed to solve?

MY response was garbled. I meant it depends on 1) to what extent the market is still covered by private insurance and 2) any other changes to the Fritzcare system, for instance a shift from a tax utility model to a subsidized premium model (still the same plan, just paid for differently), in the latter risk pooling would allow the government to provide insurance at a lower price to the bulk of the market. I do have concerns with the funding levels though like in clause 11, which I mentioned earlier.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Consistency in Drug Enforcement Bill (At Final Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 10:25:58 pm
NAY
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Give Peace a Chance Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 10:25:21 pm
My mind is in a million places, but are we certain that sanctions aren't higher. I seem to recall thme being increased to full back late last year.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Simfan as Attorney General (Questioning) on: April 14, 2014, 10:23:23 pm
Does it serve the interest of the game to have cases for the AG and the Courts?

Of course it does. How could we function without courts, Senator?

I am not asking if Atlasia can live without court's but if the courts can live without cases brought before it.
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 09:01:58 pm
That is why I inserted the acronyme after the name of the program. I realize that you didn't but I think Scott and maybe NAppy did raise the naming issue.


1. As I have been saying, we can fix that by changing the wording of that particular clause, could you not?

2. As I have been asking for days for people to point out inconsistency, then fine, we can address that.

3. It would depend on the private market an to what extent that would cover people
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Simfan as Attorney General (Questioning) on: April 14, 2014, 08:56:07 pm
Does it serve the interest of the game to have cases for the AG and the Courts?
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Simfan as Attorney General (Questioning) on: April 14, 2014, 08:32:39 pm
There are some in my constituency who have come to the opinion that you are hostile to the IDS or have some kind of hatred for the place. Is the case and if so why?
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 08:09:15 pm
Whether we move toward a single payer system or a more market-oriented one is beside the point. I was only indicating exactly what Oakvale said in the post following mine.

Which is what, exactly? That Labor doesn't support the bill, so it should be canned. Yet I got that on page one.

And so far I am not getting any concise criticisms of the core proposal save for appendages that can be removed (like the union thing) or other minor, vague, generic and otherwise meaningless sound bites more suited for a campaign add then a Senate debate. Now we got you saying there is nothing in this bill you support, which is cerainly a rather convient shift since the unnconstitutional complain is no longer valid, the Fritzcare references are gone, we have an active administrator of the thread and I offered to boost support and alter the numbers for the poor and so forth. Tongue
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 07:58:53 pm
I would also point out that a lot of the lack of progress stemmed from slow processing of amendments under the previous Vice President as well and that tempered debate and made it take longer.

A lot of the complaints spouted at the beginning were either bs (removing coverage for preventative care) or are now irrelevant (union section and referneces to Fritzcare).
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 07:49:30 pm
I can't claim to speak for anyone other than myself, but if I've given the impression that I agree with anything in this bill then I need to clarify that this is not the case.

As its original sponsor is gone and the Senate has made virtually no progress in improving it over the past month, I don't know why you'd want to waste more effort on it unless someone has an idea for a quick fix that can win the support of at least some Laborites.

It seems they all want a single payer system and there is no way I can support that and Duke has stated his opposition as well.

We pare this down, fix the billing issue and agree to a set of numbers, we have a chance at achieving something. But I don't see anything that group is discussing getting a consensus more or less having the support to get passed if it revolves around moving to a single payer system, either.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to the Drought Mitigation Act of 2011 (At Final Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 06:49:25 pm
AYE
89  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Blaine Amendment on: April 14, 2014, 06:46:45 pm
So you are saying that every one of the voters who brought it so close to passing had Irish mothers?

All those racist Suddeners known for complaining about state's rights who probably joined with WASP New Englanders, did so out of a righteous motivation to preserve public education? Yeah. 

If it passed the House in 1875, my guess it had to have support of Southern Democrats (I highly doubt Irish supporter Northern ones would vote for it), though you didn't say when and they didn't take office until December back then. I cannot remember the majority the Republicans had from 1872 but I do know the Democrats won in 1874. Either way some Democratic support was probably necessary in either Congress. 
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 06:03:37 pm
Then the debate should be shifted back to something that an acheive enough support to pass based off of this framework as the basic idea here has substantial support and at the right numbers, the administration as well most likely. I think 11 has to have less of as reduction as well as some increase in the coverage for that lowest income bracket for starters.

First off, lets fix the wording on the problem in the current statute concerning the billing issue. That will get us back to discussing the specifics of this proposal, particularly numbers and the various benefit changes as well.

I could have an amendment in a day or two, but we got nasty storms coming tomorrow.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Amendment Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 05:49:08 pm
Like I said, the fact that we have reached a point where we have to dictate "science" from on high, shows that we a bigger cultural problem and resorting to fiat as a substitute for what is supposed to be reasoned inquiry and study is hardly going to strengthen science.
92  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Blaine Amendment on: April 14, 2014, 05:44:14 pm
I hope you realize the reason for the "acceptability" of such in 1875 was probably mostly because of anti-Catholic bigotry, which was the point that was attempted to be made earlier.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Consistency in Drug Enforcement Bill (At Final Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 05:25:15 pm
A final vote is now open on this legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Reforming Atlasian Public Health Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 05:22:28 pm
Also there is that billing issue with the present law that we amentioned on page three that needs to be resolved as well.


What is the status of Oakvale's group?

If that isn't going to produce a product in the near future I recommend proceeding with this and addressing those issues that have already come up.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Residential Taxation Reform Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 05:06:54 pm
Hello out there?
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Queue Sanity Act (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 05:04:25 pm
Quote from: Amendment Offerred
Queue Sanity Act OSPR Amendment

OSPR Article 3, Section 1 shall be amended to include:
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9. If a Senator has already introduced 10 bills in any session, any additional bills introduced by that Senator not already acted upon or on the Senate floor shall be removed from the queue at the start of the next session. Any such bills may be reintroduced to be considered by the Senate, taking an order in the queue according to the date of their reintroduction.
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Resolution on the 2014 Crimean Crisis (Amendment Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 05:02:09 pm
The amendment has just under four hours left.
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Dukeís Letís Put Atlasia to Work Program (Amendment Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 04:59:28 pm
One vote short of this amendment failing. Time expires in two days.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to the Drought Mitigation Act of 2011 (AFV) on: April 14, 2014, 04:51:34 pm
A final vote is now open on the underlying legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Public Intoxication Act (Debating) on: April 14, 2014, 04:50:55 pm
The amendment is adopted.
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