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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Southern Voting Booth - May 2015 Legislative Election on: May 16, 2015, 01:46:37 am
of the  SOUTH

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4. clearly identifies the contest in which a vote is intended to be applied, except when there is only one contest on the ballot.


[ 3 ] darthebearnc of North Carolina
-The People's Party-

[ 6 ] Evergreen of Prince Edward Island
-Labor Party-

[ 1 ] PiT of Louisiana
-Federalist Party-

[ 2 ] Spiral of Alabama
-Democratic-Republican Party-

[ 5 ] SWE of Florida
-Labor Party-

[ 4 ] TimTurner of Texas
-Labor Party-

[  ] Write-in: _____

77  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: The Watergate break-in is never uncovered? on: May 16, 2015, 01:39:12 am
It is amazing how the tapes, meant to help him write his own history, have largely been the source of defining him in the most negative light possible, that shown by his own words. The man who said what his particular audience wanted to hear whilst remaining firm on only a few foreign policy questions, has been revealed finally with regards to what he truly was and it isn't pretty.

Even if Nixon had come out of his Presidency reasonably popular and successful, we have seen this rodeo before. When Harding died, he was rather popular, thant he dirt came out.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: When will the USA have the first millenial (Y) president? on: May 16, 2015, 01:34:05 am
Probably 2032 will have someone who was born in the early 1980's.
79  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: AK-Sen/A-L: Murkowski, Young face primary on: May 16, 2015, 01:26:14 am
Young will probably be fine in a primary, since he's corrupt but puts himself out there as adequately conservative, but we'll see. Murkowski, on the other hand, has only gotten less popular with GOPers. I suspect she falls in the primary.

Both of them are awful and I hope they both get sacked.

I have longed for that day, for almost a decade.
80  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: AK-Sen/A-L: Murkowski, Young face primary on: May 16, 2015, 01:25:22 am
The suppression of legitimate challengers, (see McCain) opens up more downside risk to the seats falling then if they had let them run in the first place. If the other potential challengers forgo the race, that merely improves the chance that Miller will win the primary again. That said, I do expect more candidates that just him to get in.
81  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: IN-Sen: Coats retiring on: May 16, 2015, 01:22:37 am
The Dems are best off going after OH or FL to pick up that fourth seat. But, if Walker is nominee; anything is possible.

Dems are best off going after every possible competitive seat, not just the most obvious ones. They'll need as many as they can get to have a chance of holding the Senate in 2018. There's a reason Republicans in 2014 didn't stoptt at just WV, MT, and SD.

All eyes will be on Sen Toomey & Portman duo, Dems shouldnt take eyes off those states. But Baron Hill; Feingold, Strickland, and Zopp would be excellent new senators to Dems arsenal. Strickland and Hill are Casey Dems and would stand a chance more or less against the GOP states.

Being a Casey dem is not a sign of strength. Casey let TOM SMITH get within single digits of beating him in 2012. I can easily see him going down in 2018.

Exactly. Between, Santorum's controversial statements and positions, Casey's name, and the environment, he managed to assemble a rather large coalition. But in a race against a lesser known candidate, in a Presidential year of all things, his margin was cut in half. He essentially won not because of Casey Democrat strength in the West and NE (though it did pad the margins versus Obama in the latter), but because of the new Rendell Democratic coalition (Philly plus its suburbs).

2018 will be very interesting. Wink

Casey may run for gov; instead he feels Wolf is unpopular enough

Casey is NOT going to primary Wolf. Even you should be able to figure that out.

Not to mention that this line of discussion has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD.

Just because Phil is gone doesn't mean other threads are freed from the superiority and priority of discussing Pennsylvania politics. Tongue
82  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: The Watergate break-in is never uncovered? on: May 15, 2015, 02:35:48 am
I disagree.

Nixon was barely keeping the oilmen and ranchers and such forth in line through persuasion and intimatidation and the IRS. They hated price controls, the EPA and the high taxes. Inflation would have hammered Nixon's second term most likely and Reagan might very well end up getting nominated in 1976 since Ford would likely not be a contender having never been President. The votes and the money for the GOP were in the South, Southwest and West. This shift probably still occurs in any scenario unless the inflation is removed somehow.

83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary backs Tubman on $20 on: May 15, 2015, 02:23:18 am
Grant should be on currency not for his Presidency, but for leading the victorious Federal forces against the traitors.

Washington (winning Independence from the British Oppressors, setting up the Gov't under the constitution) and Lincoln (leading the country back together and abolishing slavery) probably deserve double billing (pun intended Tongue).

84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary backs Tubman on $20 on: May 15, 2015, 02:15:31 am
I could not care less for the man that helped create the political apparatus that has the temerity to call itself the Democratic Party (points if your can name this movie reference Tongue), established the mode of majoritarian dictatorship as the model for future Presidents and promoted the principle of "by any means necessary" expedience on the part of both Parties but especially the Democrats when it comes to desired objectives. His militant hatred of banks and stubborn resistance to both all forms of sanity and reason helped to plunge this country into a Depression. Were it not for the untimely death of General Harrison, there may never have been a Jacksonian era, but instead he would be joining the list of failed Presidents along with his machine boss Martin Van Ruin.

The only thing Jackson can be credited with, are his steadfast desire to preserve the union and also the expansion of the suffrage, albeit to many an illiterate white racist farmer whose ignorance and prejudice he proceeded to take full advantage of against the banks, The Indians, blacks and anybody he perceived as being his enemy.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rubio: As president, I wouldn't pursue a 2-state solution for Israel/Palestine on: May 15, 2015, 12:26:23 am
I support a 2 state solution, but clearly now isnt the time. If an election were held today in West Bank, Hamas would win.

So what? If the people of the West Bank elected Hamas in a free, democratic election who are you to criticise that?

If the people of Afghanistan elect Al Qaeda in a free, democratic election, should the US have the right to "criticize that"?

In principle, no, not really. As long as this hypothetical Al Qaeda government does not attack the US or one of its allies, either directly or through obvious sponsorhsip of terrorism within the US for example, it does seem to me that it is none of the US' business.

Hitler won an election, and never attacked the US. Was FDR wrong to send lend lease supplies to Britain and the Soviets? To criticize his suppression of various groups as well as democracy? To oppose his aggressive posture?

It is not our business to invade or attempt regime change, if that is what you are asking unless their is a threat to the US. However, if for no other reason then idealism, the US would find a democracy voting itself out of existance to be a matter of grave concern.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Scott Walker proves the value of a college education on: May 15, 2015, 12:14:49 am
Even Marco Rubio's JD hasn't been enough to salvage his Twitter feed:

LOL, that does that include when we annexed Texas so that they could keep slavery, which was banned in Mexico?

Actually, Texas was already independent from Mexico at the time. Granted it was a pretext and without going into the dynamics of Santa Anna being deposed by the time he signed the treaty, the actual dispute was over the location of the border between Texas and Mexico and the US wanted it all.

The actual hypocritical war was fought ten years earlier when a bunch of Southerners who had moved to Texas revolted so that they could have the freedom to run slave plantations there. Texas probably would have kept Slavery without the US annexing it and possibly beyond 1865.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Final vote) on: May 14, 2015, 11:54:21 pm

"4 selected from the community"

-though this seems undefined as to how it will be selected. I suppose that it will be the regions setting out those procedures, no?
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Alleviating Rural Poverty Act of 2015 on: May 14, 2015, 11:51:25 pm
1. Can they not already decide to tax them in such fashion?

2. Why should we be regulating how this money is then spent if it is raised by "local authorities"?
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Childcare Reform Act (Debating) on: May 14, 2015, 11:48:15 pm
People are seriously pandering about which Kindergarten is better for their kiddoes?

But to come back to topic, bore does make the most sensible and important point here: We are not subsidising parents to send their children to a childcare facility of their choice, let's say the one at the local country club; but we are offering every child a place at the logistically cheapest, nearest facility. There is a difference between that and college loans, and it is precisely this difference that generated the problems associated with college loans, and thus, this programme will not entail the same problems.  

Yes, but are you resting all of that on the words "Reasonably local"? I also don't see anything about cheapest in the text, but maybe I am missing it somewhere.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Let's Stop Tricking the Newbies Act (Debating) on: May 14, 2015, 11:42:16 pm

Well, we could make the free move expire after a year.

True, but I don't see how it much impacts the underlying focus of the bill much. That is not to say that such doesn't have merit on its own though obviously.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Reintroducing the Cabinet Reform Amendment on: May 14, 2015, 11:37:30 pm
Sorry Yankee, you seem to be the only person nostalgically looking back on the old rules Tongue

What is this nostagia thing you speak of?

Chairing the Feds before August 6, 2014
Duke's Second Term
Chairing the RPP in 2011 after dissolution
Chairing the RPP in 2010, during 2011
Duke's Senate Term
The Previous Federal Reserve Arrangement
Everything involving a computer before January 12, 2013.
College after Graduating
High School after Graduating
Sixth Grade after it ended through Twelfth
Fifth Grade whilst in Sixth Grade
Living in Pennsylvania after moving down here
Living in New York after moving back to PA

I don't like it but I guess things happen that way...

Nope, I haven't the slightest idea of what you speak. Tongue
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Federal Reserve Reform Repeal Act (Final vote) on: May 14, 2015, 11:24:17 pm
As much as it offends my seperation of powers sensibilities from a philosophical point of view, (IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY/EXECUTIVE TYRANNY/DICTATOR BORE!!!!) Tongue from a game play aspect, one can hope that this will at the very least not cause any problems. Perhaps even generate the active interaction that frankly could have happened under the old system, but did not for frankly many of the same reasons nothing else happened (lacking a crazy pole as PPT).
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Senate resolution: Improve the Senate Rules on: May 14, 2015, 11:19:38 pm
Indeed, even if it is not in the old rules, senority was defined in the old rules as being "longest continuously serving Senator" for the purposes of defining who the Dean was (who was not PPT of course). That doctrine was applied to senority overall since the only real purpose behind having it is identify who the dean of the Senate is for whatever power or responsbility he has so it can be completed.

I swore in on July 3rd, 2009 for my first stint. Hashy and MaxQue swore in the same day, but my time stamp was the oldest of the three so I was in office orior to them (Thank Jedi, he explained it to me beforehand).
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: A National Conversation - Electoral Reform on: May 14, 2015, 11:10:28 pm
I'm open to reform, and voted in favor of the amendment to abolish at-large seats. Most of the other reform ideas that have been tossed around do not hold much appeal to me, though. Party-list voting would be dull for most players and there's not enough interest to justify creating new seats. Bicameralism is one of the worst ideas every proposed in Atlasia and I have no idea why it interests anyone.

Here's an idea that I've mentioned a couple of times before. The entire Senate should run for re-election every two months, instead of having staggered four-month terms. This would raise the stakes of each election, especially midterms. It would also force Senators to be more responsive to their constituents. Complaints about low engagement between the Senate and the public have become common enough that there should be some interest in doing something about it.

I wouldn't opposed to changing the length of terms. Or at the very least in such a bicamerlist proposal listed above, having the lower house every two months precisely to better gauge the will of the people.

Yes, you always were a diehard uni-ist at heart. Tongue 

The major appeal for bicameralism is to create a new dynamic within the legislative branch itself. Think of it like this, we have at points changed election methods for both classes if you go back far enough, but the chamber itself has not changed that much in terms of how it functions. A bicameral system could reimbibe new purpose into each of the present "classes" and allow for a dynamic in the Atlasian legislative branch that is completely novel in that sense.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Do you support electoral reform for the Senate? on: May 14, 2015, 10:58:32 pm
Yes I would. 

96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bush ally: Bush 'misheard' Iraq question on: May 13, 2015, 03:33:55 am
First Snyder and now this. I really hope Kasich gets in.
97  General Discussion / History / Re: Has any actual "Islamo-fascist" regime or movement ever existed? on: May 13, 2015, 03:24:23 am
Fascist is one of those terms that has morphed into becoming a catch-all phase for any gov't that suppress people's freedoms and seeks to destroy a certain group of people.
98  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: should democrats have convinced many old-timers to retire in 2006 on: May 13, 2015, 03:19:57 am
In 2005, when most of the decisions were being made, there was no guarrantee that 2006 would be a Democratic year. It was not until Katrina hit that the GOP and Bush took a real big hit and though Social Security was going to be a drag, there was not the unifying factor of incompetence and corruption that the trifecta of Iraq, Katrina and the Abramoff and subsequent scandles wrought until the early part of 2006. Before that only Santorum and maybe Chafee were considered to be in grave danger, with Talent likely facing a close race. The corruption turned Montana into a Likely Dem seat, which it remained for much of the year, and led to DeWine falling behind in Ohio as well and put Talent and Chafee at a disadvantage.

99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Federal Reserve Reform Repeal Act (Final vote) on: May 13, 2015, 03:07:09 am
Whiggery shall rise again Mr. Speaker.

An Amercian referencing an 17th century English political movement, in a pathetic faux Southern accent, to a modern French socialist. I hope to god someone understands it. Tongue And this line itself is a steal from a 1971 English historical drama.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Childcare Reform Act (Debating) on: May 13, 2015, 03:01:51 am
I am not criticizing the presence of a percentage, in fact it is undoubtedly a better approach with regards to the inflation concern then say that of an overal sum as Polnut has referenced. I would support his strict basis, which I think can chart a middle course between simplicity on the one hand and dealing with the inflation concern on the other.

Mr. President, do you think it totally impossible for childcare facilities to garner a certain reputation and thus have a similar, if not quite to the same extent, effect as the aura of a prestigious institution of higher learning?
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