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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: House Bill 1001 - Voting on: June 27, 2016, 10:06:29 am
the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten.


So? What does it matter whether or not the group was elected to office? I would hardly consider a functioning democracy one that elects groups committed to extreme fundamentalism to the point of wanting to blow countries off the map and exterminate groups of people. The fact that such groups win elections in some places, is not a mark of legitimacy on said groups, but in fact is an exemplary reason why democracy depends on strong education and a substantially more secular world view (at least to the point of not wanting to "Vote" a disliked group out of existence)".

Whether or not the Muslim Brotherhood wins an election is irrelevant. Hamas has won elections in the Palestinian terrorities and that doesn't make them any less of a terrorist group. The key here is the outlook of the Muslim Brotherhood and the tactices they are employing to bring it about.



because the reaganite/kissingerite tradition of deposing democracies we don't like has yielded absolutely terrible results in the past, maybe…?

Those are different situations. An election that elects a terrorist group is not a democracy.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Presidential Election Poll - Presidential Race Too Close To Call on: June 27, 2016, 10:03:40 am
We actually had 82.2% turnout. It makes no sense to count turnout out of a pie that includes two people who cannot vote by law (the two who joined too late).


So 37/45 = 82.2%

Our highest since 2014 in both percentage and raw turnout.


78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad/Lumine - Clear Leadership for the Future - VOTE! on: June 27, 2016, 12:53:16 am
Standard Operating Procedure When Labor Destroys Country or Just Loses Election Version 5.21 (Original Version released: June 2013).  

Attack, Attack, Attack Tongue

But my friend, all I am trying to do is get to the bottom of these conspiracies, realizing at the same time that I am providing priceless publicity to the Leinad/Lumine ticket.

I can link seven years of conspiracy both real and fake to take this all the way back to 2008, and a quote that will make one of your posts rather hilarious.

Well, in the final analysis, hilarity is, after all, the desired effect of this entire conspiracy exercise.

Smiley

Well it requires some digging so you'll need to be patient for the laughs. Tongue

Leinad was falsely accused of being a sock by the radicals, probably of JoMCar. JoMCar was recruited by PJ, who was accused of being a sock of Wolfentoad, who was in turn accused of being a sock of Napoleon (false, but we aren't going for facts here obviously Tongue). Napoleon actually was Hamilton (true) and Hamilton was recruited by the same guy who said this on December 15, 2008:

All power to the Regions!!!!

#illuminati confired, cue X-Files music.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: June 2016 Pacific Senate Election VOTING BOOTH on: June 27, 2016, 12:48:15 am
You jumped the gun man, remember you used Pacific time. Tongue
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Presidential Election Poll - Presidential Race Too Close To Call on: June 27, 2016, 12:33:12 am
We litteraly used this poll's regional breakdown to set our regional targets.

Clyde Poll
Leinad's %     Leinad Targets      Final Results
South  61%     65%                      67%
West 55%       55%                      73%
North 35%      40%                      43%
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RIP Federalist Party (2012-15) on: June 27, 2016, 12:07:27 am



Allive and Kicking and Still STanding.
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: June 2016 Federal Election on: June 26, 2016, 11:59:16 pm

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF ATLASIA


[ 1 ] Leinad/Lumine
Federalist Party/Civic Renewal



[ 2 ] Harry Truman/Kalwejt
Labor Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: TRUMAN for PRESIDENT KALWEJT for VICE PRESIDENT on: June 26, 2016, 11:46:02 pm
You will be President someday. It took Duke and Marokai exactly two years from their first attempts. Maybe, yours will be sooner. Wink
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2016 Presidential Election Tracker on: June 26, 2016, 11:31:11 pm
Or better yet, what you did Marokai's Presidential legacy just as he was leaving office. Tongue
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2016 Presidential Election Tracker on: June 26, 2016, 11:30:02 pm


Is that a movie about what Labor did in October 2014 and July 2015 during their terms? Tongue
86  General Discussion / History / Re: James Madison Quote on Voting on: June 26, 2016, 06:54:46 pm
I know muh small government/states' rights gets in a lot of people's way, but I'd argue the DRs were undisputedly to the left of the Federalists.  A quote like this isn't surprising at all.

That shouldn't even be in dispute. OF course their are variences but when you compare the near Monarchical and certainly Aristocratic view of gov't held by many Federalists, the DRs were certainly the more liberal party in that sense.
87  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Unban CCSF on: June 26, 2016, 06:40:13 pm
He has been that for months. I take it from this string of unsignings, that he must have really jumped the shark in that regard or gotten banned from AAD.

I have not had time lately with work to pay much attention to AAD since early May.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad/Lumine - Clear Leadership for the Future - VOTE! on: June 26, 2016, 06:14:58 pm
Standard Operating Procedure When Labor Destroys Country or Just Loses Election Version 5.21 (Original Version released: June 2013). 

Attack, Attack, Attack Tongue

But my friend, all I am trying to do is get to the bottom of these conspiracies, realizing at the same time that I am providing priceless publicity to the Leinad/Lumine ticket.

I can link seven years of conspiracy both real and fake to take this all the way back to 2008, and a quote that will make one of your posts rather hilarious.

Well, in the final analysis, hilarity is, after all, the desired effect of this entire conspiracy exercise.

Smiley

Well it requires some digging so you'll need to be patient for the laughs. Tongue
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad/Lumine - Clear Leadership for the Future - VOTE! on: June 26, 2016, 05:57:43 pm
Standard Operating Procedure When Labor Destroys Country or Just Loses Election Version 5.21 (Original Version released: June 2013). 

Attack, Attack, Attack Tongue

But my friend, all I am trying to do is get to the bottom of these conspiracies, realizing at the same time that I am providing priceless publicity to the Leinad/Lumine ticket.

I can link seven years of conspiracy both real and fake to take this all the way back to 2008, and a quote that will make one of your posts rather hilarious.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad/Lumine - Clear Leadership for the Future - VOTE! on: June 26, 2016, 05:41:43 pm
Leinad, Lumine, IF those are your real names, explain why
Federalist and Civic Renewal
is an anagram of
Few are civil and acne is let dr?
I need answers! Why did you not finish the word dry? I need answers!

So you would ask y. Tongue
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad/Lumine - Clear Leadership for the Future - VOTE! on: June 26, 2016, 05:32:38 pm
Standard Operating Procedure When Labor Destroys Country or Just Loses Election Version 5.21 (Original Version released: June 2013). 

Attack, Attack, Attack Tongue
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Challenge to election administrator nomination on: June 26, 2016, 04:15:15 pm
Even if the House had the power to conform someone running elections, I don't think the election administrator had a majority of votes for confirmation when he acted in that authority in opening the booth.

But he did get a majority and he would have gotten a majority in the Senate. What do you expect to happen, poirot, what is your end goal?

It is easy to find a technicality to bring a process to a screeching halt, but the problem is Presidential term is over. What wrong has been committed by Tmth, except allowing democracy to occur, and what remedy could be given besides leaving Atlasia leaderless in a time of crisis and transition?

The reason we have laws is so that the people may be able to vote and decide their destiny, therefore the law must not be contrived to stand in the way of the will of people and interests of preserving said democratic system.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2016 Presidential Election Tracker on: June 26, 2016, 03:57:47 pm
I blame the fact that Griff didn't win WWIII in office. Tongue

To some extent, Griffin was in many ways elected as a War time President because he was viewed, not as the guy you want a beer with, but the guy you would go to a bar fight with.

The problem was he was more like Churchill than FDR because the first two of those four Labor terms were basically held by the equivalent of Neville Chamberlain. And the Labor President before that was basically James Buchanan. Labor should count their blessings in a lot of ways, because while Federalists also came back from armeggedon last year, Labor fully earned its deluge last year, while Federalist situation was merely the result of self-inflicted wounds and the machinations of others. Adam Griffin's toughness, popularity and legendary electoral skills allowed him to win twice with a vastly conservative electorate, and thus keep Labor as a key player and rebuild its bench. And the game is much better off that such is the case. Because out of that mess, god knows who would have replaced them if they collapsed and thus possibly taken the game with them.

Truman will be back, just like Marokai and Duke came back after losing their first attempts.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2016 Presidential Election Tracker on: June 26, 2016, 10:04:04 am
Party Proportion of Candidate's Vote:

Leinad: 52.2% Federalist 17.3% CR 17.3% IND 4.3% DR 4.3 % Labor 4.3 % Other
Truman: 80% Labor 10% CR, 10% Independent

Party Proportion of Candidate's Vote:
Leinad:  63% Fed, 17% CR, 13% IND, 3.3% DR 3.3% LAB 3.3% Other
Truman:  84% LAB, 8% CR, 8% IND

Party Proportion of Candidate's Vote:
Leinad:  61% Fed, 13% CR, 11% IND, 8% DR 3.3% LAB 3.3% Other
Truman:  85% LAB, 10% IND, 5% CR

Party Proportion of Candidate's Vote:
Leinad: 60% Fed, 18% CR, 10% IND, 8% DR, 2.5% LAB 2.5% Other
Truman: 83% LAB, 13% IND, 4% CR

Party Proportion of Candidate's Vote:
Leinad: 61% Fed, 14% CR, 10% IND, 6% DR, 4% Other, 2% LAB
Truman: 74% LAB, 13% IND, 6% Other, 3% CR

Party Proportion of Candidate's Vote:
Leinad: 61% Fed, 14% CR, 12% IND, 6% DR, 6% Other, 2% Labor
Truman: 73% LAbor, 12% IND, 12% Other, 3% CR
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Trillionth Federalist Party HQ - For the Constitution and the Free Market!!! on: June 26, 2016, 09:18:52 am
Chairman NC Yankee approaches the reporters.


As good as it looks now, this election is not ever once again and I encourage people to get out and vote. With that said, I am cautiously optimisic at this point and have great confidence that with the many votes we have remaining, we should be victorious.


On another more pressing matter, last night I responded forcefully to the court case that has been brought against the election process. In 2012 Presidential Election, Napoleon beat Clarence by a good margin. I had supported Clarence and he is a great guy, but the voters choose otherwise. After the election, Tweed, who had run a third party candidacy, sued to have himself insalled as President. In spite of my support for Clarence, I supported Napoleon in the case because Napoleon was the duly elected President by a wide majority of the people. Nothing could be more damaging than for a presidential election to be tossed out wholesale, in any situation.


This goes doubly so in our present situation where we are in the middle of a reform transition and face the prospect of a leaderless interlude, in which the country will be without a President and will lack the means to elect a President, if the voters are not respected. I understand fully the need to follow the laws and it is my understanding that the certification will be conducted by appropriate official with all laws followed and applied fairly and appropriately, certifying forwith the winner of this election as President. Furthermore in the limited roll provided by Tmthforu94, sanctioned by the administration in an emergency situation, to ensure the integrity of the democratic process and the election of a President before said interlude could begin, I see no legitimate reason to risk the reforms, the game, as well as the sanctity of the vote on the basis of the concerns presented by the Plaintiff in this case.

The actions taken are sanctioned by the administation, by Elections Administrator Rpryor, by The People's House, by the Senate (he was elected by the Senate to be its leader and clearly would be elected in any vote by its membership, making it furthermore ridiculous to use the lack of a such as a grounds to trample on democracy and throw the reforms in the garbage in the process), and by two broad grants of constitutional authority. The constitution delegates broad powers pertaining to the administration of elections to the Congress and second provides no limitation or requirements on Presidential appointments to non-cabinet posts, which he has broad powers to create at will.

I am the lamented demon of Atlasian Legalism according to the radicals who spent years claiming my legalism destroyed the game. My legalism, was always aimed at preserving the system, preserving the rights of voters as well as equal protection under the law. None of the actions taken have disenfranchised or discriminated against anyone. On the contrary it has enfranchised all the people to vote. Lastly, the implementation of the reset means that standing requirements might have returned in which case only the candidates have standing to sue.

I want to thank Truman for his statements on this matter, which were a bit more measured than mine clearly, but of course I came off an ardous shift at work at the time. As usual, Truman proves to be a voice of reason, and while I cannot support him in this election, I have full confidence that whoever wins this vote and whoever comes out on top, it is the best thing for Atlasia, that they be certified as the winner and allowed to take office on Friday. For the sake of the game, for the sake of stability, for the sake of the reforms, for the sake of the voters and democracy and yes especially for the sake of the law.


I will now take a few questions from the reporters
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2016 Presidential Election Tracker on: June 26, 2016, 08:06:31 am
Its not over yet. Wink
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad/Lumine - Clear Leadership for the Future - VOTE! on: June 26, 2016, 07:04:57 am
I have never seen such nonsense discussed openly in all my life. Tongue

It is all fun an games until someone who doesn't realize you are joking votes based on that or doesn't vote. Tongue

98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: June 2016 Presidential Election Tracker on: June 26, 2016, 01:08:12 am

^

This guys says good luck with that. Tongue

99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Challenge to election administrator nomination on: June 26, 2016, 12:20:59 am
This is ridiculous.


Look, Poirot I have a lot of respect for you, but Atlasia is going through a transition right now and one thing this game doesn't need is nitpicky ass lawsuits that don't change anything except to sap up precious time and delay in the implementation of the god damn reforms. Arguably, the whole reason this process had to be rushed was because of the previous such lawsuit delayed the seating of the House, a lawsuit mind you, that didn't change the result in any election for which the ruling applied.
 
Also, the election is still going to be certified by Rpryor anyway, and therefore he will handle any all matters pertaining to the application of laws and such. All Tmth did was open a booth, so that we could elect a President before we litteraly run out of time. Adam leaves office in a matter of days, not weeks, DAYS!!!

What do you think happens when the Presidential term expires and we have no President or Vice President. There are no succession laws in place. Do you really want to nuke this game like that? No Preisdent to appoint anybody, or sign a law pertaining to his succession. Basically a year plus of hard work is for nothing and Al, TNF and their criminal gang wins. Is that what you want?

The most important lawsuits are the ones filed early.  They set a precedent for what is the law to come.  That previous supposedly nitpicky lawsuit about who could vote in the House elections set an important precedent that applies to future elections where the election might be decided by those who just re-registered, or might lead us to a constitutional amendment to fix this loophole.  It was important.

This lawsuit is equally important, and will determine which branch of Congress has confirmatory power.  It is very important that the very first acts of the new government are done to the letter of the law, as they are the most likely to set precedent for the future.

Look, any other case, I would be 100% with you. But this is different, the game is litterally on the line until we get through this transition period.

And as for the previous lawsuit, it was indeed pointless because guess what, it has been reversed by statute. All it did was delay the House, which in turn delayed the election law and the appointment and left us with this situation here. I respect Evergreen and I respect Poirot, but this situation here is one that essential to the very survival of the game, even the loathed god of ATlasian legalism (as descrbied by the radicals), is willing to put the survival of the game first in this instance.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Challenge to election administrator nomination on: June 26, 2016, 12:04:28 am
This is ridiculous.


Look, Poirot I have a lot of respect for you, but Atlasia is going through a transition right now and one thing this game doesn't need is nitpicky ass lawsuits that don't change anything except to sap up precious time and delay in the implementation of the god damn reforms. Arguably, the whole reason this process had to be rushed was because of the previous such lawsuit delayed the seating of the House, a lawsuit mind you, that didn't change the result in any election for which the ruling applied.
 
Also, the election is still going to be certified by Rpryor anyway, and therefore he will handle any all matters pertaining to the application of laws and such. All Tmth did was open a booth, so that we could elect a President before we litteraly run out of time. Adam leaves office in a matter of days, not weeks, DAYS!!!

What do you think happens when the Presidential term expires and we have no President or Vice President. There are no succession laws in place. Do you really want to nuke this game like that? No Preisdent to appoint anybody, or sign a law pertaining to his succession. Basically a year plus of hard work is for nothing and Al, TNF and their criminal gang wins. Is that what you want?
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