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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Queue Sanity OSPR Amendment (Passed) on: April 21, 2014, 07:21:53 pm
Vote on final passage of the Queue Sanity OSPR Amendment:

Aye (6): Alfred F. Jones, DC al fine, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, and shua
Nay (4): bore, Talleyrand, TNF and TyriontheImperialist.
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

The OSPR amendment has been adopted.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Public means Public Act (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 07:19:35 pm
Scott was working on a proposal to do that in the IDS. Not sure if the other regions have addressed it yet or are going to.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: South American/Asian Trade Reform Act (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 07:18:04 pm
The amendmenr has been adopted.

What's next here or is that it?
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Long-term Unemployment Relief Act (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 07:17:27 pm
So, we ready to resume here?
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to the Paid Leave Act of 2013 (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 07:16:19 pm
Sp what is next here?
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Double Jeopardy Is OK...Take Two (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 07:14:11 pm
Senator you have 24 hours to begin advocacy.

Remember our best hope is to first strengthen language regarding the evidence as it pertains to said person's guilt as opposed to just "pertaining to the crime".
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / SENATE BILL: The Double Jeopardy Is OK...Take Two (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 07:12:54 pm
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The Double Jeopardy Is OK Sometimes Amendment

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Article 3, Section 2, Subsection 3 of the 3rd Constitution is amended to read:
No person shall be tried again for the same crime following a legitimate acquittal or conviction, unless fresh and viable evidence is discovered pertaining to that crime.

Sponsor: bore
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) on: April 21, 2014, 07:08:14 pm
Shua? Anybody?
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 21, 2014, 06:53:49 pm
Yankee, you and I both know that our expectations are usually higher than "not the worst Senator ever." I've called out plenty of Senators other than Goldwater on inactivity, as have you. Is that really the best defense that you can muster?

What are you talkaing about? I was responding to the statements I have heard over the past week regarding him, and why people were motivated to support him as some seem shocked to realize that connections between people and such can be more powerful then anything in this game.

Consider the facts. Goldwater has written no bills. He's sponsored a total of four amendments, none of them in the most recent session. His contributions to debate have been negligible; excluding votes, you could probably count the comments that he's made on the Fantasy Government board over the past two months on one hand. There are literally dozens of people who would contribute more if they were in the Senate - I'm shocked that you couldn't find anyone else in your party who would run.

Maybe my standards have been dulled by certain Senators, many of which you guys sent our way over the past year that frankly just being there seems to be a substantial improvement. But Goldwater never struck me as being a problem activity wise, there was always a bigger concern in that regard, often more then one.

If this issue is so important, why did you quit reporting the various stats like you were doing late last year?
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 21, 2014, 06:35:18 pm
It should embarrass everyone involved, but at least we have a good signal of who actually pays attention and who just votes as they are told (or just doesn't give a crap about what someone does once they are elected). Christ, Shua has probably been the most effective critic of Labor's proposals in the Senate, and we nearly turned him out. That would not have been good for anyone in the long run.

As amazing as it might seem Goldwater is a respected individual and while it would be nice if he had offered more in thep ast month, month and a half, he is hardly the worst Senator ever to serve in that chamber as certain folks have tried to claim this week.


Considering I'm required to actually deal with the Senate, I'm trying my best not to comment however, "hardly the worst Senator ever" is perhaps the most absurd reasoning imaginable.  The results of this election, and I'm sure the results of the next regional Senate elections as well further prove that most people don't actually have a clue what happens in the Government board.  

And I don't have to deal with the Senate? Tongue

I don't get what you are trying to contradict. Goldwater is not the best Senator, no one said he was. But some have claimed he was the worst, even the worst ever, and that is "the most absurd statement imaginable" because I have had to deal wtih the Senate long enough to know that is ridiculous, man.



86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Public Intoxication Act (On the President's Desk) on: April 21, 2014, 06:02:01 pm
Sponsor, Vote on Redraft or Withdrawal?
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Dukeís Letís Put Atlasia to Work Program (Amendment Vote) on: April 21, 2014, 06:00:05 pm
Vote on Amendment 60:58 by shua:

Aye (6): bore, DC al Fine, Goldwater, Lumine, shua, and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (1): TNF
Abstain (0):

Didn't Above (3): Alfred F. Jones, NC Yankee and Talleyrand

The amendment can be declared passed.

Remember Cincy to include thos missing two words in the text after the word, "eligible" since shua corrected it before the vote was commenced.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 05:57:05 pm
Amendment 60:60 60:61 is adopted


Cincy update your post to 60:61.


Damn it, this one was in my notepad backup of the tracker and not in the tracker itself. The only way they get it in the notepad is to be copied and pasted from the tracker. Normally I split at 60:60 and I should have doen it even if it wasn't at the character limit, perhaps the forum software is playing tricks at the periphery of the cuttoff, which was just reached anyway so i sliced it back at the normal cutoff point.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Give Peace a Chance Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 21, 2014, 05:54:04 pm
I will go with the administration's request as sponsor then. Hostile.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Simfan as Attorney General (Confirmed) on: April 21, 2014, 05:53:04 pm
Aye ftr
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 21, 2014, 05:47:38 pm
JCL was objectively far more deserving of a Senate seat than a non-entity like Goldwater. What a joke, Federalists. Roll Eyes

He should have retired when he lost interest, like I did. Tongue

Or me! That's the ethical thing to do.

The Federalist betrayal of their most active and engaged candidate is gross. I'm going to have to first preference JCL next time around at this rate.

You didn't retire, you resigned midterm after first dropping off the radar without much of an explanation. Goldwater posted a leave, two weeks early and fully in tune with the rules, and then came back as amazing a concept as that might be.

Let me tell you something Oaky boy and let me make this very plain. Neither candidate satisfied my expectations regarding their campaign presense, and maybe that played a role maybe that didn't. But we had two candidates and the ability to get both in. I did the best I could to help JCL and put together a winning coalition, as well as advise him to maintain a public campaign to keep his supporters engaged. I also contacted enough people to get him in, and asked thme to support him.

Maybe you beleive in forcing people to vote a certain way, and maybe things operate differently for other parties, but I am not a heavy handed SOB. I never was as RPP Chair and I won't be as Fed Chair. The reason is that always backfires. You should know that better than anyone. If you want someone's vote, the best way to get is to earn it yourself, because surrogates only have limited effect. I full expected JCL to rally the more conservative members and surge out early with Goldwater away and not engaged in the campaign in those last few days before the voting started. That didn't happen. Maybe more effort on his part would have chnaged that, maybe not. I do know that I did everything I could that was feasible on my end.

I know you don't give a crap anymore and feel no compunction about trashing the hard work of others, but I will tell you this that I would give anything to have the Oakvale I knew in 2010, 2011 and 2012, back again.

Jesus, overreact much? Chill.

My point is just that JCL's been a Federalist candidate for the Senate a couple of dozen times. It's probably about time you should admit that you guys aren't willing to support him - that'd be okay, Labor did the same thing with Snowstalker. I just think it's kind of sad to see JCL (who I obviously agree with on <1% of anything) strung along with a constant refrain of "maybe next time...".

Forcing people to vote a certain way when the majority of voters are zombies is basically just what any kind of PM campaigning is - most of your voters, most voters period, will vote for whoever they're told because they don't know what happens in Atlasia or even who the candidates are. That's a shame but it's a long standing fact of life.

e: I'm not "trashing" anyone's "hard work" - there's no particular indication that this was a failure of effort on behalf of the Federalist Party.


I know he has Oakvale, and even before he dropped out of the special to succeed Tmth, I began working to put together a coalition for him. He did have votes, the supporters as I had nearly 18 voters on a list that didn't include DC, Hagrid, PiT and Dereich. The problem is that candidates don't run in isolation, some have long standing ties to a particular candidate or a long standing working relationship, or maybe that do stuff together on other boards or finally a key issue that makes the difference between a first and a second. Two or three crossed over to vote for Goldwater, and the above four compensated for that. If Cassius had voted, he probably would have voted for JCL. There was another likely JCL voter who didn't vote either. Turnout is a step away from enthusiasm and energy. Maybe some combination of the Easter weekend and perhaps the lack of a public campaign, made that two vote difference. JCL is lucky he got that close, as I expected Angus, Smoltchanov, Grumps and Smid to vote for shua. 

There were a loto f people who wanted JCL to get in and he got a lot of votes that in conjunction with those who were closest to him ideologically formed a natural base substantial enough to win. I even PMed him that if got the turnout he needed amongst the core group, he would probably be in the Senate. And I do recall serving with Snowstalker in the Senate not to long ago, now that you mention it. Tongue

More often, they vote based on what they know from previous campaigns, previous interactions and conections, or a key issue, which blunts the effectiveness of requests. I am new to the chairmanshaip. I am contacting people who don't know me and suppose Maxwell is contacting the same people for shua. Just a short while ago, he was in this hot seat, and I was the one trying to facilitate shua's election.

You seem to do that a lot though. Tongue
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 21, 2014, 05:25:50 pm
It should embarrass everyone involved, but at least we have a good signal of who actually pays attention and who just votes as they are told (or just doesn't give a crap about what someone does once they are elected). Christ, Shua has probably been the most effective critic of Labor's proposals in the Senate, and we nearly turned him out. That would not have been good for anyone in the long run.

I found that most people voted the way they themselves wanted. I actually expected Goldwater to struggle and whilst I had Goldwater slighlty higher on my pre-election vote predictions, many of them were less reliable voters and JCL's appeared to be a committed base ready to surge the minute the voting opened. By Friday afternoon several Indies voted for Goldwater early as aopposed to late, which I didnt' expected in his absence, and some expected JCL voters crossed over.

As amazing as it might seem Goldwater is a respected individual and while it would be nice if he had offered more in thep ast month, month and a half, he is hardly the worst Senator ever to serve in that chamber as certain folks have tried to claim this week.

Your right shua is a good Senator and so is Lumine, which is why I asked every member to try and preference both. 
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 21, 2014, 05:18:44 pm
JCL was objectively far more deserving of a Senate seat than a non-entity like Goldwater. What a joke, Federalists. Roll Eyes

He should have retired when he lost interest, like I did. Tongue

Or me! That's the ethical thing to do.

The Federalist betrayal of their most active and engaged candidate is gross. I'm going to have to first preference JCL next time around at this rate.

You didn't retire, you resigned midterm after first dropping off the radar without much of an explanation. Goldwater posted a leave, two weeks early and fully in tune with the rules, and then came back as amazing a concept as that might be.

Let me tell you something Oaky boy and let me make this very plain. Neither candidate satisfied my expectations regarding their campaign presense, and maybe that played a role maybe that didn't. But we had two candidates and the ability to get both in. I did the best I could to help JCL and put together a winning coalition, as well as advise him to maintain a public campaign to keep his supporters engaged. I also contacted enough people to get him in, and asked thme to support him.

Maybe you beleive in forcing people to vote a certain way, and maybe things operate differently for other parties, but I am not a heavy handed SOB. I never was as RPP Chair and I won't be as Fed Chair. The reason is that always backfires. You should know that better than anyone. If you want someone's vote, the best way to get is to earn it yourself, because surrogates only have limited effect. I full expected JCL to rally the more conservative members and surge out early with Goldwater away and not engaged in the campaign in those last few days before the voting started. That didn't happen. Maybe more effort on his part would have chnaged that, maybe not. I do know that I did everything I could that was feasible on my end.

I know you don't give a crap anymore and feel no compunction about trashing the hard work of others, but I will tell you this that I would give anything to have the Oakvale I knew in 2010, 2011 and 2012, back again.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 21, 2014, 05:04:23 pm
Luckily, I'm not a Fed anymore, so I don't have to deal with these complaints Smiley

Just glad the D-R's continue to send a representative to the halls of the Senate.

I am happy for shua as well. I wanted to get two Federalist in and I did my best to bring it about. However, if it had to fall through to someone, I am glad it was to shua.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 21, 2014, 04:53:20 pm
I see the usually suspects are up to their old tricks false narratives and repetition of blatant lies in the hopes that people will believe them. Roll Eyes
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2014 At-Large Senate Election on: April 20, 2014, 10:54:23 pm
Names of candidates follow in alphabetical order.



AT-LARGE SENATE


[ 7 ] Adam Griffin of New Brunswick
Labor Party



[ 6 ] Alfred F. Jones of Rhode Island
Labor Party



[ 5 ] a Person of Maine
The People's Party



[ 1 ] Goldwater (Republitarian) of Delaware
Federalist Party



[ 2 ] JCL (Johanus Calvinus Libertas) of Indiana
Federalist Party



[ 4 ] Lumine von Reuental of Montana
The People's Party



[ 3 ] shua of Nunavut
Democratic-Republican Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April Senate Election Discussion Thread - ELECTION TRACKER on: April 20, 2014, 06:51:51 pm
So we have 65 voters and the election is two thirds of the way over and the last day is Easter Sunday. To match even recent elections, turnout would need to nearly double over the course of the remaining day.

I bet there's 52-55 votes out there.

WE have added about 20 since yesterday. And while I expect more, another 30 in just four or five hours, is a quite a lot.
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / SENATE BILL: The Public means Public Act (Debating) on: April 20, 2014, 12:49:10 am
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The Public means Public Act

Section 1:

1. Any laws or ordinances restricting the homeless from loitering in public spaces (e.g. parks) are hereby repealed.
2. Upon passage of this legislation, the homeless shall be allowed to sleep in public spaces (e.g. parks, benches, and alleyways.)
3. Nothing in this section shall be construed to allow misdemeanors (e.g. harassment, indecent exposure) or felonies (e.g. assault.)

Section 2:

1. Upon passage of this legislation, residents of the Republic of Atlasia shall not be prosecuted for sleeping in their automobiles.
2. Law enforcement officers shall not enter a person's vehicle without a warrant, regardless if the car in question is locked.
3. Law enforcement officers may enter a vehicle provided they have probably cause; probable cause in these instances is restricted to suspected criminals, if a felony is being committed within one mile, or if the vehicle is parked illegally or in an obstructive manner (e.g on a sidewalk, or too far towards the road.)

Section 3:

1. Panhandling shall no longer be illegal anywhere in which the Republic of Atlasia has jurisdictional authority.
2. This section shall not be construed to permit harassment.

Sponsor: TNF
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 20, 2014, 12:45:48 am
Likewise, the amendment number needs to be bumped up to 60:60 by Tyrion on the account of the issue mentioned in the Paid Leave thread.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Dukeís Letís Put Atlasia to Work Program (Amendment Vote) on: April 20, 2014, 12:44:23 am
Number correction: This is Amendment 60:58 by shua not 57. Apparently one of TNF's didn't get added into the tracker correctly.
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