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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electoral Reform Amendment (Voting on Amendment) on: February 16, 2015, 08:59:30 pm
I guess AYE
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Two-thirds resolution (Voting on Amendment) on: February 16, 2015, 08:57:49 pm
Abstain


Well, that's probably the first time it's not me who has a problem with barrier language Tongue.

We seem to have increased the percentage of ferreners in this chamber. Wink Tongue
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Public Consultation Bill 2015 (Debating) on: February 16, 2015, 08:53:49 pm
I like the changes that have been made and I hope that this will provide some much needed participation and engagement.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Voting!!!) on: February 16, 2015, 06:15:57 pm
Engagement with other members was a problem with my tenure, yes, and I feel like I didn't do enough to get people in at the regional level. I was too focused on Senate elections and Presidential elections when it turned out to not matter that much if you don't have good people on the ground floor. That was a rookie mistake. And yes, I can attest that Hagrid's influence in the party by my chairmanship was minimal, though ZuWo and Yankee had a much stronger influence, which is where a lot of the power struggles came from.

I think I've always been better in offices than in the party organization.

It's so fun to dig up old corpses and find out what went wrong! (referring to my tenure)

Actually, I felt rather isolated in the party until the latter period of 2013 and part of that was because I kept myself aloof for much the same reason as Duke said about the name earlier, "This is not the RPP" and also I was not thrilled with someone changing my registration for me for the second time (I opposed the merger remember). I never had any desire to lead this party until I began to feel Hagrid was making a mistake regarding the events of 2013 and the effects of the game would be terrible. Even then I figured someone else and maybe Hagrid hismelf would realize this and take a better. I thought your did a good job as a chairman, and yes you had rookie mistakes but your mistake was not in making mistakes but staying in office too short a time to identify, correct and learn from them. You did a hell of a good job in December 2013, I thought.

The problem was that of the big leaders, so many had come to view the others as operating on a different wave length on different sets of issues. THe end result is that most all of them are now no longer Federalists. Typically a split leads to one group leaving whilst the other claims control, here, everyone ended up leaving because the disagreements were over different things. Undrmining each other became the sport of the party and became a regular occurence over the course of 2014. That needs to stop.
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Voting!!!) on: February 16, 2015, 03:48:05 am
Yankee has put the final nail in the coffin, so to speak, by effectively disappearing (whether he admits it or not). This occurred almost from the onset of his tenure. Extenuating reasons aside, every single attribute - party recruitment, candidate cultivation, regional organization, all of it - has been neglected.

Regional Organization requires regional leaders, Candidate cultivation requires wins. I would get somebody to lead a region or lined up for an office (Secretary) only to have them slip away become inactive or jump ship after weeks of toil and labor (pun intended Tongue). I would line up candidates  for winnable races only to watch in agony as they were screwed from within by someone deciding it was their turn to rage against the machine. I made over a dozen recruitment contacts in just in the Spring period alone. From February to August, I exerted every effort on each of those fronts only to find I was pumping air into blown tire. You are right though that from August until October, I was absent with no internet access from home and again over Christmas because of illness and most of January because I was moving. 
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Federal Employees Labor Relations Act of 2014 (Veto Override Vote) on: February 16, 2015, 02:38:26 am
Does the 72-hour period apply here as well?

If not, well, AYE

Hate me for it, but I oppose the process of vetoing bills in principle. Probably that's just as I come from a parliamentary democracy, a country where that single figure outside the legislative that we call President has just no power whatsoever (understandable when you know our history), where all legislative decisions are completely left to the Legislative. Well, yeah.

The Pinko European strikes again, I guess.

The Hapsburgs created and preserved Austria (indirectly). Without them Merkel would be your Chancellor. Wink
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Kurdish Solidarity Act of 2014 (Voting on Amendment) on: February 16, 2015, 02:32:41 am
Aye
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Set It and Leave it Alone Minimum Wage Act of 2015 (Debating) on: February 16, 2015, 02:30:33 am
I must object unfortunately.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Voting) on: February 16, 2015, 02:22:25 am
Perhaps I misunderstand some of the points that have been made but in general it strikes me as a bad idea to form a new party based on the premise that large segments of its base are supposed to keep their mouths shut about an issue that is important to them. Let's be frank, gay issues are settled so the most prominent topic is abortion. Obviously, there absolutely must be room for pro-life members in a center-right party; pro-life views aren't even limited to the "right" in the first place. You'll find pro-lifers all across the political spectrum and in every Atlasian party.

To me, the main problem appears to be that the Federalist Party is widely perceived as wishy washy. In the eyes of many the party has failed to present a coherent alternative to the far-left proposals dominating the political discourse in the Senate. As I already stated on numerous occasions during Duke's presidency the Federalists are going to render themselves irrelevant in the long run if they content themselves with the role of trying to moderate proposals that could have been taken right out of the communist manifesto. Instead, officeholders of the main center-right party in the game should vehemently oppose such ideas and passionately defend their own vision of a free-market based society.

(I thought this was an important point to be made. Sorry for interrupting.)

It is hard to exercise flexibility when the fear of losing the next election could lead to drastic changes that would be just as if not more devastating to the right then being rendered impotent slowly over time. The early part of last year presented us this dual trap of not only having the White House but also the desperate need to remain at parity lest we lose by default.

You are right, but we did get to move the needle significantly in some areas though. The biggest success was in the area of healthcare. I think what is lacking is a sense of purpose not because of any intentional act, but rather a concession on a large number of people that the situation is hopeless (which breads defeat, leading to more discouragement). It is a cycle and in order to advocate for a robust alternative, you need not only the willingness but the motivation to try in spite of long odds. It is far less painful to go indy, but doing so leaves newer and less connected Conservatives at a disadvantage.
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Democratic-Republican Party Convention, February 2015 on: February 16, 2015, 02:05:27 am
Good Eve err Morning Freedom Loving Members of the Democratic-Republican Party,

I come before you to humbly ask for your endorsement in the Regional Senate Election in the Glorious land of the South (formerly known as the IDS).

We have worked together on numerous issues over the past year and a half be it with Senator shua on healthcare and the minimum wage, to Senator Spiral on Senate rules. I have supported efforts to reform our prisons, decriminalize and even legalize certain drugs and pursue a balanced foreign police that avoids conflict as much as possible unless absolutely necessary. As PPT worked I kept the door open to third partiers and their bills including those of the two mentioned above. I have continued even long after I have left that position to seek to preserve such access in the new rules that have since been adopted.

It is my earnest wish to be able to continue to work with the members of this glorious party over the next four months. We must work to encourage the regions to take full advantage of the terms of the healthcare law passed last June so as to finally bring competition for the first time in five years. We need to get a handle on policies like the minimum wage either with a phased removal and replacing of it or at the very least a stabilization period so business can adjust (Nyman likes to continuously alter these statutes every nine months), and we need to find away to formulate a multi-partisan reform that empowers and strengthens regional activity as a key objective and centerpiece. At the very least we must continue to let regions take the lead on controversial social issues for as was noted by many even some Laborites, there is very little that the Regions can control exclusively save their own budget and there again what tax or spending project do they have that the Federal Gov't can't also take a slice of action on? We must find a means by which to change this in order for a sustained revival of interest and activity to occur at both levels of gov't here in Atlasia.

I thank you for your time and hope that if not through this then through subsequent questioning that I will be able to earn your support and your votes.

Thanks.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 15, 2015, 02:06:37 am
Yankee, I don't mean kicking the social conservatives out, because I agree that they're a necessary element. I just mean reaching an agreement that they remain 100% silent on those issues. And the party could likewise adopt a zero tolerance policy. Griffin is good at what he does, and... no offense, but I don't dispute his current suggestion... but he does miss the dynamic of this party. It needs to be a place where a very diverse group of people can all feel welcome. And when one segment of the group espouses the "devinely ordained" belief that another segment of the group is unclean sinners doomed to hell (and should subsequently have less rights as a result), "community" doesn't happen. When the numbers are such that bi-monthly bills to severely restrict a woman's right to choose undercut the compassionate message of the party, there's a problem too.

I realize the existence of TPP makes it more challenging, but extreme conservatism will always be scarier to the moderates like Polnut than extreme leftism. We've seen it before. There needs to be a change, and the social conservatives need to be in the headspace that understands why this sacrifice is necessary.

If that is what you intended to say, then we would agree to a large extent. However, this is what you said yesterday and one can easily miscontrue it:

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I think the party would need to completely expunge any of its ties to social conservatism,
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 15, 2015, 02:04:17 am
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Ballot:

President:
[  ] JCL/Devin
[  ] Maxwell/Dallasfan65


Midwest:
[  ] Dereich
[  ] Cassius


Northeast:
Should we endorse Cinyc for NE Regional Senate?
[  ] Yes
[  ] No

Did I miss anything here?
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 15, 2015, 02:01:53 am
You guys can't see the forest for the trees. I've been trying to give you good advice for ages, but you just refuse to accept it because of a "different dynamic" that supposedly applies to one side and not the other. At any rate, the current problem with the Federalists is that you have a Chair that's not doing much of anything, that hasn't done anything for months, and that's likely going to lose historically what is considered the safest seat in the game (so much for rejecting "different dynamics", eh?).

Get a new Chair, and do it soon, before my party has no one left to rationally oppose.

Actually, I have managed to do quite a lot in spite of immense obstacles obviously. Of course a lot of it was behind the scenes, and I cannot be on 24/7 to keep up with every shift and turn like I used to so the impression may be that I am asleep at the wheel but I am not as clueless as I may appear to be.

The problem with beating Hagrid is that he covers a lot of the same bases that I cover and thus it would be hard to be beat him in any circumstances.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 14, 2015, 03:52:10 am
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III. Endorsements and Primaries

1. Endorsing non-Federalist candidates. If numbers permit the Federalist Party to endorse non-member candidates, candidates seeking the party’s endorsement can submit their names for consideration in the Federalist Party’s main thread or at a party convention. Alternatively, Federalist Party members may move to endorse candidates from other parties. An endorsement vote shall thereafter be held, the logistics of which shall be at the discretion of the party executive. The party shall not be required to endorse any non-Federalist candidates. The number of non-Federalists endorsed by the party must not conflict with the maximum candidates endorsed in a given race, as stipulated in section III, subsections 2-7.

2. Regional legislature elections. All Federalist candidates running for regional legislature positions shall automatically receive the endorsement of the Federalist Party. If the total number of open seats in a regional election is larger than the number of declared Federalist candidates on the first Friday prior to the vote, the party may endorse candidates from non-Federalist Parties. The number of non-Federalist candidates endorsed will reflect the difference between the number of Federalist candidates and the number of available seats.

3. Currently, a maximum of two candidates may be endorsed for the senate at large. If the Federalist Party has more than this number of incumbent at-large senators seeking re-election, each of the incumbents may still receive the endorsement of the party. If, on the first Friday prior to the at-large election, the number of declared Federalist candidates is equal to or less than the maximum number of endorsements, no primary election shall be held and those candidates shall automatically receive the endorsement of the Federalist Party. Any Federalist candidates entering the race after this time shall not enjoy the party’s official endorsement. If, on the first Friday prior to the election, the number of declared Federalists is larger than the maximum number of Federalist endorsements, a primary election shall be held. The election shall run for three (3) days and shall be decided by public IRV. If the number of declared Federalist candidates is less than the maximum number of endorsements, non-Federalists may receive these remaining endorsements.

4. Regional executive elections. In elections for the office of regional executive, only one candidate in each region shall receive the party’s endorsement. If, the first Friday prior to the regional election, only one Federalist candidate has declared for a given position, no primary election shall be held and that candidate shall automatically receive the endorsement of the Federalist Party. If more than one Federalist candidate has declared their intention to run, a primary election shall be held. This election shall run for three (3) days and shall be decided by public IRV. If no Federalist candidate has declared, one non-Federalist may be endorsed.

5. Regional senate elections. Federalist endorsements in regional senate elections shall follow the same model for endorsements in regional executive elections (see section III, subsection 4).

6. Special elections to the senate. Federalist endorsements in special elections to the senate shall follow the same model for endorsements in regional executive elections (see section III, subsection 4), the only difference being that Federalist candidates must declare within a reasonable time of the notice of vacancy. If more than one position is up for election, the party will offer a corresponding number of endorsements.

7. Endorsing non-Federalist candidates. If numbers permit the Federalist Party to endorse non-member candidates, candidates seeking the party’s endorsement can submit their names for consideration in the Federalist Party’s main thread or at a party convention. Alternatively, Federalist Party members may move to endorse candidates from other parties. An endorsement vote shall thereafter be held, the logistics of which shall be at the discretion of the party executive. The party shall not be required to endorse any non-Federalist candidates. The number of non-Federalists endorsed by the party must not conflict with the maximum candidates endorsed in a given race, as stipulated in section III, subsections 1-6.

8. Secondary endorsements. At the discretion of the party chairman, the party may run elections giving “second preference endorsements” (or similar) to non-Federalist candidates.

9. Revoking endorsements. The Federalist Party may revoke endorsements if a motion is presented with a second and is then passed by a majority vote.

Unless I am mistaken, we have a primary in the Midwest as well, correct?
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Cabinet Reform Amendment (Voting on Amendment) on: February 13, 2015, 10:47:32 pm
AYE
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 13, 2015, 10:36:15 pm
You are not the first one to suggest expunging the Social Conservatives, Hagrid. Way back in December 2010, I had a long exchange with Afleitch that basically produced the same recommendation. The problem is, it doesn't work mathematically especially with a firmly emplaced centrist Party like the TPP occupying that section of the spectrum. Back then it would have required the centrist JCPers to join the RPP and turn the party essentially into what the TPP is now, and chances are regionalism would have been sacrificed in the process as well. Which leads me to another point, some of the most fervent regionalists are your diehard social conservatives. If you go firmly anti-consolidation, and expel the social conservatives, you are slicing yourself too thin to compete.

Think of who helped to lead the opposition to consolidation back in 2013 (He was among the first to depart Wink). The most committed anti-consolidationist in the Party is arguably JCL. I would hazard that 75% of the regionalists are socially conservative.
92  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Did Martin Luther drink better beer than your average American college student? on: February 13, 2015, 01:30:20 am
Probably he did.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 13, 2015, 01:20:33 am
I think the suggestion was that a name change occur as part of a broader restructuring and overhaul not a whole affair on its own, in which case yes, it would solve nothing obviously.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Fmr. President/Southern Rep Duke (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED) on: February 13, 2015, 12:17:46 am
Somewhere a faux Texan by way of Iowa is weeping. Tongue

Congrats Duke, you worked hard for this one man. Smiley
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 13, 2015, 12:06:20 am
Leave the RPP to rest in peace. This party will never be the RPP. The closest thing to it was The People's Party's first run. The RPP had something special about it that hasn't really been replicated since.

The problem with the federalists is lack of engagement. I was a member for a while and I really felt like Yankee and I were the only two people in the party. In private avenues for communication, Yankee and I would talk and no one else would participate. He can't save this party alone. He needs help. The great thing about the RPP was it was full of active members who cared and wanted to make it better.

This party has held the white house for three terms and failed to accomplish anything in those terms. I was almost thrown out rather than being embraced, and I wrote my own bills and did everything separate from the Federalist Party, and while I can't really speak for lumine, but I haven't seen a big federalist engagement with his presidency either. Granted, having like 2 senate seats doesn't help either.

But if this party wants to continue, help Yankee. He seems to be the only one with the passion to keep it going, and I know he can't do it alone.

You objective with the TPP in its first run may have been so, but only engulfing the right would have made it so and that didn't happen. The RPP was never any thing but a right of center Party and the TPP has always acclaimed to be centrist far more like the NLC and DA then the RPP.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 13, 2015, 12:02:23 am
Of all the parties in Atlasia, the only one that comes close to supporting regional rights is the Federalists. I joined the party for that reason. But this farce going on at the Convention is ridiculous.
Its got nothing on this:
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=103165.0

No one in this party wants to organize it. A lot has been thrown at Yankee from time to time, but he is the only person trying to lead an organized campaign of any sort. A new party will not solve anything if no one will put in the time to be a leader.

It's time for party stalwarts to man up and take some responsibility upon themselves.

Part of the problem was that the "Stalwarts" spent much of 2013 fighting each other behind the scenes in several concentric circles of opposition over different issues. Conservatives against Duke, Regionalists against Duke, Tmth and Maxwell, and so on and so forth. It is not surprising that some ended up leaving, though one would anticipate one side winning and the other losing, virtually all have left.

New people have to take their place and that can be intimidating. Many have done well like Cris, JoMCar and so forth. But we need more of them and then more lateral communication and collaboration.

I would recommend reviewing past Parties and past actions. Public campaigning, caucuses, and intriguing conventions were part of the norm. Most every Federalist convention has been boring even when the Party was doing well.
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 12, 2015, 11:41:13 pm
Why don't you just call it the Regional Protection Party, then? Its core tenet would be something that everyone in the party could get behind and might actually serve to unify a group that is sometimes TOO ideologically diverse. Refocus and unify around something real. Makes sense to me.


Theoretically, Federalism should have served the same purpose, or at least I thought it could. It incorporates regional protection but into a broader understanding and focus.

The irony about this party is that it has no bad history to overcome and no scandals to make up for. Some of the things the RPP did back in the day were downright dirty, but that made fixing it easier (Duke and I dumped Mr. Clean all over the place). This party is held back by collective perceptions of failure and the vicious cycle such creates when played out through the actions of people motivated by such perceptions forming a self-fulfilling prophesy. Taken from a distance, it is all rather pathetic and stupid when compared to the dire straits past parties have faced.

Duke would kill me. Tongue

98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: WE'RE GOING TO THE BEACH in February!!! Federalist Convention (Sign in!) on: February 12, 2015, 10:15:22 pm
Chairman Yankee,

How about a complete reform overhaul including name change? TBH I would never support a disbandment, but it is true that we need to save face. I'd say need to rethink how we do everything. We need a new face. We need a new name. A new party. Saving spirit, but saving face. We need for everyone to come back together. We need to reinvent ourselves. Shave the ideas that we've already tried and form a completely new coalition. From the far right, to the left of centre. In order to change the game, we need to change ourselves.

Thank you.

I think you may be right about an overhaul but I would caution that when the RPP reached its lowest point the road to near ruin began with a divisive name change vote. We must therefore keep that in mind and try to seek a broad consensus on a potential new name. Federalist Party just like Regional Protection Party is a name that avoids references to real life parties and real life ideologies and that some members may take issue with. Libertarians with Conservative Party, Democratic and Indy members with Republican etc etc.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Anti-terrorism Act (Voting) on: February 12, 2015, 10:05:19 pm
What were the old rules?

No vote change period if the first six Senators all voted the same way.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Anti-terrorism Act (Voting) on: February 12, 2015, 09:52:09 pm
Under the old rules this would be over by now. Tongue
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