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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MA: Clinton 55 Trump 31 on: May 09, 2016, 02:29:28 am
If clinton is up 12 in NC and only down 1 in Georgia, she's doing better here than what the poll says.

Clinton is not up 12 in NC, or 9 for that matter. She is probably up 1 in GA though. PPP has a much better track record in the state.

If anything, I would say the Civitas poll is rigged to help promote #NeverTrump. It is a movement conservative organization.

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The vision of the Civitas Institute is of a North Carolina whose citizens enjoy liberty and prosperity derived from limited government, personal responsibility and civic engagement. The mission of the Civitas Institute is to facilitate the implementation of conservative policy solutions to improve the lives of all North Carolinians.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Conservatives against Trump launch formal effort for alternative candidate on: May 08, 2016, 01:27:52 am
"This is a high stakes game your playing, and you're all in, Walter"


If you take movement conservatism outside of the GOP, it will never again have any influence on selecting the nominees. The next nominee will be a nationalist, a less controversial nationalist, but still a nationalist. It may be hard for people raised into the historical narratives peddled by neoliberalism and movement conservativism to understand, but they do not have a monpoly on conservatism. They were originally guests brought in to fight a common enemy,  they are not the root form. Trump is right to say it is the Republican Party, but he is wrong not to fight for the term conservative. He did so rather well in one of the debates, where he basically redefined conservatives to something approximating its more traditional definition.

Even Peggy Noonan is saying the day of neoconservative, open-borders entitlement cutters is probably over as far as the GOP is concerned.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: New Speaker Election on: May 07, 2016, 05:43:07 am
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2. The most senior Senator who isn't on Leave of Absence, or the Senator chosen by the most senior Senator, shall convene the Senate to elect a Speaker on the first day of each legislative session and when the office of Speaker is vacant. The Senate shall elect a Speaker from among its members by majority consent. The most senior Senator, who isn't on Leave of Absence, or the senator chosen by the most senior Senator shall retain the powers and prerogatives as Speaker until the election of the Speaker.
Unless PiT has requested otherwise, he has to administer this as the Dean of the Senate.

It feels so good to have that title back in the hands of the South's Senator.
I apologize. I remembered Cris doing this and I assumed it was the Speaker's responsibility. Senator PiT, if you will.

It gets confusing when the Speaker is also the Dean of the Senate.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: The direction of the Republican Party if TRUMP loses on: May 07, 2016, 03:53:49 am
The GOP is not like the Democrats. Hoping for a Bill Clinton to just come along and essentially goven as a Republican would have thirty years prior is not going to happen. No Republican is going to come along and govern like Bill Clinton and win the nomination.

The GOP is only going further down the rabit hole of nationalism because that is its only hope of moderating on economics, and moderating on economics is the only way to win elections.

People will default to voting their economic interest unless you give them a valid social issue to override the default response. In 1992, the Republicans lost among secular, upper middle class surburban dwellers because 1) The economy went bad and for the first time they got hit hard and 2) the social issues the GOP used to keep others in line, did nothing to keep them in line and actually made worse the situation. Taxes had been brought way down and that was their override switch prior. The GOP was victim of their own success. 

All you really need to do on the main social issues is not go extreme like Todd Akin/Ted Cruz. Take the Reagan approach of pro-life with exceptions and that leaves open up to a 15% win in place like MO and IN and single digit wins in the rest of the midwest. It does not however win you those people, it merely opens the door.

The way you win them is on the economy, jobs, infrastructure and education and Trumpism is the first time that I have seen, that the GOP has moved towards less hard-line economic libertarianism instead of more in favor of it.

Besides what really matters when it comes to family values. It is going as far as possible on the few hot button social issues to lay down a marker or do family and community represent an all encompassing view and approach to society and economic policy. In which case, it is hard to reconcile that desire for stable families/communities with the constant disruption of libertarian economic policies, especially free trade and massive immigration. It is easy to decouple the two and put social conservative and economic libertarianism in these two seperate boxes and insist they exist in a vacuum,  if you are an upper middle class political science student isolated from reality and sheltered from other viewpoints, but for those who live in the real world it is not hard to see.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Paul Ryan eventually endorse Trump? on: May 07, 2016, 02:39:51 am
I love seeing this civil war going on in the Republican Party. The Tea Party couldn't destroy it, but I'm hoping Trump will.

I'm mainly looking forward to the events that follow his loss.  Will the party purge all the Trumpians and then pretend like the 2016 cycle never happened, or will it undergo a structural upheaval?  

The last time they tried to purge all anti-amnesty voices, they got Trump. If they are stupid enough to try that again, 2016 will look tame compared to 2020.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Paul Ryan eventually endorse Trump? on: May 07, 2016, 01:46:04 am
Trump only got 32% in Ryan's district, which is also something of a swing district in Presidential elections.  It's not in his political interest to endorse.

With local talk radio backing Cruz I would point out. Rush and Hannity are backing Trump and already attacking Ryan as a being part of the out of touch DC GOP establishment over this.

Also Ryan's primary opponent, while Trumpist on trade and immigration, could just as easily be considered Tea Party on fiscal issues.
82  General Politics / Economics / Re: Trans-Pacific Partnership to Boost US Exports and Increase Wages on: May 07, 2016, 01:01:11 am
The trade deal replaces 50,000 lower wage, lower skill manufacturing jobs with 50,000 higher wage, higher skill. Thus, the "wage growth" pointed to in the study is just an increase in the average.

This agreement breaks with the "rising tide" pattern of free trade agreements. After past expansions of trade, the deficit in skills between low and high skill was smaller. "Longterm unemployment and wage cuts" are exactly what folks wave away as the concerns of dumb rednecks and those uncivilized types.

Additionally, we have a pretty significant skills shortage in the economy. It's something like 5 million people. Compelling case against the trade agreement.

If you are one of the workers being displacec as this article acknowledges in low skilled manufacturing and that new job isn't going to be going to you, then yea this is not just a bad idea. This is a financial apocalypse for those families.

Failure to understand, failure to do anything to alleviate it, in preference to just letting them eat cake is precisely why we have Trump and Sanders now, it is only going to get worse. If people could just for a minute, put theirselves in that person's shoes and understand what they are going through, and seek to do something, anthing to help the situation politically might not be so bad. 

Isn't that why Congress passed Trade Adjustment Assistance along with Trade Promotion Authority last year? 

And let's not forget the Trade Enforcement Act that was passed more recently. 


Token measures for those in power to convince themselves that they have "helped" and that the poor saps are just too stupid to self-improve. Of course the reality is, the assistance never translates and never delivers the goods. Communities are depopulated, revenues vanish and school systems fall into disrepair leading to a massive decline in the long term economic prospects for those areas. Crime moves into the bombed out factories and the housing prices plummet as well because people are moving out and no one is moving in.
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: opinion of dempgh on: May 06, 2016, 10:53:15 pm
He is a great guy.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Privatize the Atlasian National Broadcaster Act (Debating) on: May 06, 2016, 10:21:49 pm
As the person who proposed and advocated for this... the privatisation of the ANB would completely undermine the nature of this broadcaster. Putting it at the mercy of commercial interests, the generosity of the wealthy, not a fund designed to ensure that every Atlasian has a stake and that the ANB reflects all Atlasians and all creative and cultural expression.

I just want to say I find it so heartwarming to find the input of a distinguished former Senator and one of our best Presidents is now welcomed in this chamber. Tongue

Atlasia is truly on the right path again!
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Posters During the American Civil War on: May 06, 2016, 10:01:39 pm
The factors that lured us down here would not exist. Therefore, would still be in NE PA, the rural parts of which are heavily Republican and my family on my Mom's side is ancestrally Republican. The Northern tract of counties was settled by New Englanders by and large and therefore had some of the most Republican counties in the state.

86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you trust Donald Trump with the intelligence briefing he will be receiving? on: May 06, 2016, 09:11:42 pm
Considering Trump's main weapon to disarm Clinton's foreign policy credentials is by risking classified information on an unsecured private server, Trump would have to be pretty stupid to neuter that argument.
87  General Politics / Economics / Re: Trans-Pacific Partnership to Boost US Exports and Increase Wages on: May 06, 2016, 01:59:30 pm
But muh protectionism helps the worker and muh TPP is for evil rich people.

If you are one of the workers being displacec as this article acknowledges in low skilled manufacturing and that new job isn't going to be going to you, then yea this is not just a bad idea. This is a financial apocalypse for those families.

Failure to understand, failure to do anything to alleviate it, in preference to just letting them eat cake is precisely why we have Trump and Sanders now, it is only going to get worse. If people could just for a minute, put theirselves in that person's shoes and understand what they are going through, and seek to do something, anthing to help the situation politically might not be so bad. 
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: New Speaker Election on: May 06, 2016, 01:10:39 pm
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2. The most senior Senator who isn't on Leave of Absence, or the Senator chosen by the most senior Senator, shall convene the Senate to elect a Speaker on the first day of each legislative session and when the office of Speaker is vacant. The Senate shall elect a Speaker from among its members by majority consent. The most senior Senator, who isn't on Leave of Absence, or the senator chosen by the most senior Senator shall retain the powers and prerogatives as Speaker until the election of the Speaker.



Unless PiT has requested otherwise, he has to administer this as the Dean of the Senate.

It feels so good to have that title back in the hands of the South's Senator.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Pulse Atlasia Polling (New Poll until 5/8/16) on: May 06, 2016, 01:05:17 pm
By the way, I'm fairly sure the Transcendental Democrats are more or less dead.
Yep, they fused with ANUSTART back in July. Haven't heard from 'em since.


So far, the only party those Irish boys have not destroyed, was the JCP.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Society of James Madison on: May 06, 2016, 12:58:42 pm
I am glad this is active again. Smiley
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Senate Office of NC Yankee (History and Stats!!!) on: May 06, 2016, 12:53:48 pm
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Press Release -

Since 2014, I have desired an out from the Senate dictated neither by inconvenience in real life or by the vast Rimjobian and leftwing conspiracy (Clinton ref ftw Tongue), here in Atlasia. As Party Chairman, I felt obligated to not leave in such a way that risked it being lost. This meant that neither June,  nor October of 2014 were acceptable. It also meant that February was not either, though it ended up being forced on me in the exact opposite of circumstances.

A year ago we were on a very bad path and it seemed like few grasped just how bad it would be, how desperate the above mentioned conspiracy would get and and how badly the game would suffer as a result. We had an administration making terrible choices, we had a Senate with eight left-wing Senators and an aspiring opposition that seemed dedicated to replacing Laborite left-wingers, with non-Laborite leftwingers. An aspiring opposition that spent years propping up, promoting and electing as many Socialists (and Laborite at that) to the Senate as possible to further their anti-Atlasia agenda, only to then turn and accuse as being soft on Labor, the one person trying coordinate everyone from Libertarian to Simfan in a direction that sought Laborite defeat for two years.

Of course I was likewise accused of working with Napoleon before I actually was. As I said in a PM to someone recently about this very matter, its kind of like having to go to prison to become a crook. The Rimjob conspiracy was started as a means of destroying the Liberal Party, and its actions eventually forced me to cooperate on shared positions with Napoleon. Likewise, nearly the same group forced me to do the same with Adam to save Atlasia from them. Neither would have happened if not for them going to far. I have always said, they are their own worst enemies.

That is not to say that Labor shouldn't be opposed or disagreed with. Conservatives should have a bold issue based alternative to challenge the left. I was never a big policy guy and certainly not one that could compete with Senator TNF on the left. I was always more of an administrator and coordinator in that sense, and we did a great job of keeping them out of control until fationalism crippled the right, factionalism I had always worked to discourage in favor of the primary objective of defeating Labor. Of course this didn't matter, I had thwarted them since 2013 and I was going to be their target. I would have destroyed their lies and deceitful propaganda just as I had been doing for over a year, had I the means to destroy them in real time, which in late summer and fall of 2014 having no internet access and facing homelessness, I did not.

Turning to the present, a substantial decline was baked into the pie as a result of what happened last summer, but we are moving in the right direction reform wise. We are slumping again in an anticipation of the legislative reboot, but that same slump should hopefully turn into a V-shaped recovery once as a result of said reboot and the revival of issue based discussion. It is my hope that such issue based disagreements will form the basis of the divides in Atlasia going forward, sidelining the transpartisan personality and clique based divides that have so weakened the game for the last three years.

Today, I get to leave the Senate having accomplished what I wanted and with the circumstances that I desired. I look forward to the completion and ratification of the new Constitution, of which I plan to fully assist in the accomplishment of such, and then immediately turning to shaping the conservative opposition in the new chapter of Atlasia's history.
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Senate Office of NC Yankee (History and Stats!!!) on: May 06, 2016, 12:11:30 pm
I will miss my only ally about "giving more powers to the VP". Sad

...Its my feelin we'll win in the end.


Stick it Polnut. Without 80's music, none of this would have happened. The music is magic.

Looks like we did. Told you it was magical.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: May 06, 2016, 11:55:34 am
I, cxs018, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the office of Senator and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia, so help me Dave.

The Senate doesn't start until Noon EST. 


Cris and I are still Senators until then. About five minutes. 
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Misc Articles (Amendment, Supremacy, Officeholding, &c) LAST CALL for new topics on: May 06, 2016, 11:50:54 am
Well looks like I am not going to get to vote on this as a delegate.


I will still be commenting, regardless. This needs to be ratified.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FIRST FEDERALIST NE GOVERNOR EVER!!!!! on: May 05, 2016, 04:30:46 am
Wasn't I almost elected Northeast Governor in one election, but lost by one vote or something like that? Anyway, congrats RGN!

Yea, I think so.

It was always just a vote or two out of reach. Like all those times bore had a run for his money.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why Trump is - and always has been - the best hope for the GOP in November on: May 05, 2016, 04:24:37 am
You're new here, aren't you Smiley.

He's more like General Charles Lee, who spent a year in British captivity, thus missing the changes that had taken place to the Continental Army and therefore failed at the Battle of Monmouth, because he underestimated his own troops.


97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is this the end of the GOP? on: May 05, 2016, 04:10:40 am
This is the pathway to the future.


This is like the collapse of the MA Whigs playing out within the GOP over various cycles, instead of with successor parties that take its place.

Trump is the equivalent of MA Know-Nothing William Gardner, who demolished the Whig Party in MA, ran on an anti-immigrant platform and both himself and his supporters were labeled as crazy and ignorant. However, within three years, he had been supplanted by the Republicans.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Free Trade on: May 05, 2016, 03:59:23 am
I believe that there should be zero restrictions on trade at all (unless it is an embargo to punish a country).  Any economist will tell you that completely free trade makes us all better off.  Unfortunately, enough of my party doesn't seem to understand economics.  Apart from social issues, this is my biggest problem with Trump.


Reciprocated free trade like we had after World War II, is beneficial. Unilateral and one sided free trade where we remove our tariffs and others don't

Well, since the US is not a party to any such agreements, nor are any currently proposed or under discussion, the issue is entirely moot.

Our trade relationship with China is the functional equivalent, to which I wll note you intentionally hacked off half my post to cut that portion out, to make your response seem more effective. Nice Try!
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How are all the Republicans here feeling today? on: May 05, 2016, 03:18:54 am
Its the end of the world as we know it
But I feel fine



100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senator Bob Bennett Dies at 82 on: May 05, 2016, 03:01:35 am
He was a good man, but I do not regret supporting his opponent. And just to correct the record, he was defeated by the closest thing in the Senate that there was to Ted Cruz, two years before Cruz got elected. Mike Lee.
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