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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 12:07:54 pm
But, if he is going to talk about how inactive the legislature is, which is an attack directed at me, or how Flo has been bad for the south, which is an attack directed at my party, then it's fair game to fire shots back at him.

Instead of dragging the entire region through the mud, he needs to convince us why he would be a better governor and why we should trust installing him into the governor's mansion when his trackrecord is one of no accomplishments and inactivity.

So far, all I have seen is long paragraphs of things that make little sense to me, like complaining that bills are passed without unanimous consent and how our debates right now are not "serious." If we required things to pass with unanimous consent, then we'd never pass anything. 

Deadprez probably got carried away when he said that about flo. Earlier he acknowledged some of Flo's previous accomplishments.

As for the legislature, it has been more dull this term then last.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 12:04:00 pm
Further, issues like abortion and healthcare markets aren't things that really need to be at the top of the list to help better the region. I'd be happy to establish the healthcare marketplace, but attacking Flo for not doing anything with it is unfair when no one else has touched the issue at any level of government.

Late-term abortion. It is not an extreme position though. The federal bill was written by Marokai after all.

The problem Duke, is that we have repeatedly seen discretion handed to the regions, the regions fail to act and then those who call for their abolition giddly wring their hands in the background at the failure. Be it abortion, healthcare, or any other policy set. The regions should debate and settle these issues and if the voters don't like the way in which that is done, they can vote out their regional officies and do it a different way. That is the true path to competition and the true path to activity.

Maxwell ran against me and one of the critiques was that I was ignorning the legislature. I listened to that and paid a lot of attention to the chamber over the next two months, but then as you know I was cut assunder by lack of internet. It was arguably a good thing to have a competative race for the first time since the collapse of Cottonfield. The unversal popularity bit is good if you are the incumbent benefitting from it, but it is not so for activity. I would know more then anyone about that.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 11:53:38 am
I understand why the opposition is clinging to this healthcare market thing, but Cranberry is right: enacting a healthcare market isn't going to get my cock hard or really increase activity in the south. No region has taken action on it. Further, I left office almost a year ago now, and no mention of this has ever come up until this election, and we had almost a year to talk about it or propose it.

Clinging to it? sh**t Duke, the whole purpose behind the law's section was to give regions a choice. Surely, it is legitimate for a campaign based on freedom and individual liberty to then pick up the ball and run with it and make it an issue in a region that hasn't acted? This is exactly what I anticipated happening in those regions that did not act, elections cause the issue to come up because candidates would use it to run on.

Competative elections will increase activity in an elections game, that is common sense and comeptative elections require campaigns on the issues and opponents highlighting issues that incumbents haven't priortized, that is all that is going on here.

That is incorrect Duke. There was discussion about it for more then a month after you left office. But as you know perfectly well, the period of August through October and December through January was an outright living hell for me and it was difficult to make much headway on any big project. Scott was driven off and Hagrid couldn't get to it before all hell broke lose. It wasn't because thei ssue was unimportant, Duke, it was in my view bad luck. However, no we are past all that. It is time for the region to act.

Also, I am getting tired of being compared to DeadPrez. When I first joined Atlasia, yes, I was more controversial, I helped lead the birth of a new movement, but I worked my tail off and was as active as I could be. I wasn't a do-nothing during my first term in office and then was unaware i hadn't been re-elected. None of us can help DeadPrez left a bad first impression on us, but it's pretty unfair to try to say he's just like me starting out. Or Flo for that matter. Flo was always enthusiastic about the game even if people gave him a hard time initially.

You had lapses in activity too. I almost ran against you because of them Duke, before I decided that the inactivity of the Game Moderator and sham confirmation hearings were a bigger fish to fry. I love you man, I don't want to fight with you in public over this.

I never said he was "just like you". I said we all struggled when we first started out. You want to talk about my first term? Tongue  It is understandable that someone lacking the support network would grow disinterested. This place is complex and very intimidating, and not everyone is going to be a natural talent even at the lowest of elected levels.

You know the problem here is I don't see what anything Deadprez has done wrong with regards to this campaign. He ran for an office that was probably going to be unopposed and has cobbled together a set of issues on which to run, which the debate has highlighted. He is not polised, he doesn't have the best record to be sure and those are legitimate issues to work off of for flo.

As for me, I saw a post that involved some factual innaccuracies and I was in the best possilbe position to correct the record so I created this thread. Since then this thread has traversed quite a bit of ground, but seemingly we are left at the same point. An incumbent made his priorities, an opponent is criticizing them, which is the natural "flow" (pun intended) of an election and yet several people, including you yourself, are trying to make that process into some kind of scandal.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 11:33:34 am
I could have done more as SoIA to push for action from the regions as well. I decided to prioritize the Pacific Stimulus and other initiatives because, frankly, they were easier to decode. I thought it would be better to line the regions up behind simpler tasks first... and it mostly worked. Once I saw that the model was good, the plan was to try and get something done with the health care exchanges. Unfortunately, right when I was ready to transition to more complex issues, the administration started falling apart and it became an embarrassment to serve. Maybe the health care exchanges were a victim of me not staying in, but I don't regret leaving.

The point is, though, no one actually cares about the response to the health care reform. It was without a doubt an enormous accomplishment, but it's also a little difficult for people to get behind because it takes serious effort to actually understand and figure out. Inaction is a shortfall on the part of many of us here, but I don't think it's worth crucifying anyone over. How many people PMed Flo to urge him to do something about this issue?

The healthcare law was a victim of bad luck all around last year so one can hardly blame you or Scott or anybody for that kind of uncontrolled event. And for the record no one is crucifying flo, for prioritizing other issues. The voters can make the call as to whether that was the right decision, the issue here is that it is legitimate to critize that decision in an election it is not a smear campaign. If we are suppose to have competative elections, just what is the basis suppose to be if you cannot criticize the record? Personality? I think we can all agree we would rather not have Deadprez attacking flo as a person or vice bersa. At the end of the day it is an issue and one that can be rasied in a campaign.
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 11:29:07 am
If I may pop in just shortly. Yankee, I have greatest respect of your work in regards to healthcare legislation, including that one mentioned in this debate that enables regions to act. You said yourself - since June, no region has acted upon it. No let us think back - then in June, was there much public action on it? No. The truth is, the people don't really care about one law or the other that the Senate just passed. If this law requires no action at all, fair enough. If it however expects action to be taken by the regions, then, in my opinion, it is imperative to get the regions to know this law and to act. You can put all the blame you want on Flo here, for not enacting this law. But just as much blame must be put on that this law was, until the mention in this dicussion, practically out of the focus of the public. I haven't heard Flo talk about this in February, yes. But neither have I heard DeadPrez, or you for that matter.

Before the obvious answer comes, no, I'm not the guy from the Pacific having been phoned to act here. Just to clarify that shortly.

I actually have brought it up on many occassions and there was public discussion of sorts last summer but the only executive to take an interest was Scott.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 04:09:31 am
Like March 2013. Tongue
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 02:37:16 am
Really though, please, I'm sure that your repeated attempts to slander the good Governor are shining through to the people of the South as what they are: desperate attempts by the failed Federalists of the South to return to power.

I don't recall a Federalist ever losing reelection to the office of Emperor. I do recall our last Emperor being driven off by defamatory jerks who decided to resort to name calling instead of having a legitimate and honest discussion about a disagreement.

You can continue to repeat the lies again and again as many times as you want and pray to god enough people will see them as the truth to get your way. I have seen it over and over again these past two years and it is nothing knew. This futile and counter-productive approach is doomed, regardless of the outcome of this race.
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 02:14:02 am
Its nonesense when the Governor was forced to admit he was reading the wrong bill?

It is nonsense he cannot answer why he at every turn avoided going to the places that could have steared him to the right bill?

It is nonsense that in four months nothing has changed in regards to that policy?

It is nonsense that a Governor who opposes late term abortion cannot answer why he has failed to to ban it when he has had almost three months to do so?

No, what is nonesense is you coming in this thread and attacking me, my party, Deadprez. I remember when Flo was regarded as a joke by most every party in this game, including is own Progressive Union. I am glad he is more highly regarded now and he has made great strides in the past two years. People grow and improve and learn from their mistakes. Your Party's founder was a highly controversial figure who inherited the Governorship after being in the game mere days and he was treated like dirt that first year.


I have praised flo as well, but that doesn't mean he is god. He makes mistakes and he has to own them just like any other incumbent in this game. When you reach the point, when who you are friends with determins the standards you are held too, then trully how is it any different then what Labor does. Flo has a right to run on his successes, Deadprez has a right to run against his deficiencies and the people of the south deserve an honest campaign hashing out those differences. It doesn't deserve this slandering of legitimate critiques as you have done here Turk.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 01:54:55 am
What a vicious right-wing smear campaign (under the guise of "commentary", of course) going against the great Governor Flo.

So the Governor has phoned an assist from the Pacific region. Nice. Tongue

Its pretty sad when your only response to cold hard facts is to cry and whine about smears. The only smears going on here were the ones earlier launched against Deaprez for daring to raise lapses in the Governor's unquestionable record. I thought we got rid of the Emperorship, but now it seems the Governor is beyond question. Tongue
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 01:25:53 am
Or did you talk to Speaker PiT about his bill that introduced in the legislature? Surely you communicate with the Speaker of the legislature about upcoming legislation, especially one that is somewhat connected to an issue that has come up in your campaign, if not all of them? There were a million roads to get to the information flo, why did it take an eleventh hour revelation in a debate commentary thread? Governors lead and act. I see plenty of following in this thread though. Tongue

How about something that came up entirely whilst you were in office. You say you oppose abortion after the second trimester (I think you said that in the debate)?

Did not the Roe v. Zuwo decision happen whilst you were Emperor, Flo? I believe it was at least two months ago if not more, no? If that is so, then why have you not acted in two months to stop what you seem to consider the murder of viable human life?

I voted to pass MArokai's ban on late term abortions. I am happy to see regions now empowered to act on this issue, but it has created a vacuum in which late-term abortion is legal and yet again no region has acted? If this issue matters, where is the action?
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 01:17:02 am
I talk about this a lot, and I would have certainly been willing to point you where to go to get things done as would shua I'd expect. Yet you bypassed us both no? What about Lumine? What about Duke? What About Superique? I think that speaks to the seriousness of the committment to the issue. If I was a Governor passing a bill on healthcare, I wouldn't go to the armed services committee or Judiciary committe member to get help with federal statute, and at the very least I certainly wouldn't completely avoid the best resources available for assistance.  Tongue
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 01:08:27 am
Look the Ace of Spades, you lose.
June 27, 2014, 09:37:28 am

My point still stands Tongue

No, it doesn't. Tongue You are saying he cannot criticize you for the status quo because predecessors didn't act either. No one is comlaining because you didn't take action in September or November. They are saying you should have acted since January.

I've talked to a Senator about amending the Act so private insurers can still insure people who are willing to pay for their insurance. Whether or not he will introduce it, I have no idea, but I'm not entirely sure it's valid to amend a federal law on a regional level.

The current act does allow that, Governor Flo!

Quote from: Current Health Care Law
Section 1: Regional Exchanges

1. A healthcare exchange shall be established in each region of Atlasia, administered by the Health Resources & Services Administration within the Department of Internal Affairs in collaboration with the respective regional officials responsible for healthcare. 

2. The AHNC plan will be offered as an option in each of the exchanges. 

3. The Regions may regulate the presence of other providers/plans in the exchange provided they comply with all the provisions stipulated in this Act and all other Federal statutes.

The federal law clearly states the establishment of health exchanges, where people can actually buy their insurance. Plus, it also states the responsibility of regions to administrate the exchanges. You don't have to override any federal law in order to act.

Wonderful news! Thank you for pointing that out, JoMCaR! I truly wasn't sure if doing so was constitutional, but I believe Speaker PiT already introduced a bill to the Legislature about this, and I'm sure it'll pass.

It is not your fault that Scott got driven off by assholes, Flo. However, you are responsbile for the actions and inactiosn during your term and at some point someone has to actually lead on the issue. Tongue

I did say I talked to a Senator about this issue, so I don't know why this is considered inaction Tongue

They obviously didnt' point you to the right bill. Tongue That may be action, but it sure as hell aint' effective action. Tongue Did you contact Duke?
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 12:59:03 am
Its actually a joint administration. Tongue


Clause 3 is the whole crux of this debate. All five regions have ANHC monopolies because none of thme have acted since June 27th. A bill as simple as the one that PiT introduced would changed that or as complex as the partially finished one that remained clutched it Scott's cold hands after his departure would work.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 12:53:56 am
It is not your fault that Scott got driven off by assholes, Flo. However, you are responsbile for the actions and inactiosn during your term and at some point someone has to actually lead on the issue. Tongue
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 12:52:00 am
Look the Ace of Spades, you lose.
June 27, 2014, 09:37:28 am

And what Senators are going to explain to you the god damn bill I wrote with shua as good as shua and myself? Tongue

God I miss Scott. Sad
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 12:47:56 am
You quoted the wrong bill. Tongue
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / South Gubernatorial Debate Commentary Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 12:27:34 am
Flo hasn't the slightest idea what he is talking about on healthcare, from the nature of the federal law to the timeline of its passage. I can understand struggling with it, even the legendarily detailed Emperor Scott (not PiT who was retired by then Roll Eyes) needed assistance and he went and got it. Flo never did the same (my PM box constains nothing of the sort), again "other priorities".

I don't expect Deadprez to be a master of all the minute details, but god bless him for demanding the region finally act to give its people a choice in healthcare providers. Nine months is a disgrace considering that were it not for the loss of Scott so suddenly and tragically, this region would have a choice in healthcare providers and would have blazed the trail for other regions to follow. Instead we have finger pointing, blaming it on Nyman needing to act first (WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! I wrote that section damn it), Emperors were weren't even in office at the time and creating false accusations of hypocrisy on that basis.

Yet we are still left waiting. Where is our name your price tool, flo?
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What if I told you I was feeblepizza? on: April 14, 2015, 10:44:43 pm
I think the only reasonable solution here is to ban anyone with an Indiana avatar from the instant they register.


Might as well ban all the current Indiana avatars as well, just to be safe. At the very least, L-IN should go.


That would include a current/former moderator if I am not mistaken? Is Peter still one or did he resign?
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FREE POIROT on: April 14, 2015, 09:58:51 pm
Time to send in the gang of Southern toughs I hired.
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of PFAdmin on: April 14, 2015, 12:40:34 am
and I felt badly not seeing Wisconsin anywhere. I'm proud to come from a place with such a strong tradition of progressive populism... even if that tradition is becoming more historical than contemporary.

Jedi, NeverAGain, Gass.   Does TJ have WI or OH right now? I can never remember.

Wisconsin. I've stayed out of the invasion/Bushie drama though.

PFAdmin seems like a nice guy, his posts here thus far have been great. FF.

When I think TJ, I think OH. It is the Cleve thing I think. Tongue
96  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: If the two previous posters were running President, who would you vote for? on: April 14, 2015, 12:38:13 am
RINO Tom
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What if I told you I was feeblepizza? on: April 14, 2015, 12:37:22 am
I like never noticed this guy before. He like post or something?


I remember Feeble way back in the day. What was he banned for again?
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Affirmative Consent in Post-Secondary Education Act - Political Tracker Polls on: April 14, 2015, 12:19:47 am
I'm glad to see that the Senate is working on the bill and holding an actual debate on this issue.

As SoIA, I will continue to push officeholders around the country to respond to and be in active in policy areas.  Incidentally, this subject is one where the regions and federal government can collaborate in interesting and productive ways to ensure the best possible solution - a process which I am very keen to have become the norm in Atlasia.

I am so glad to see I am being co-opted on this issue. For years it was me talking to the wall on this inter-gov't interaction.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: April 14, 2015, 12:01:01 am
Well, there technically is now that 2016election has registered as a member.

Winfield was registered Republican a few years back as well.

On that note, Rowan Brandon was registered as a Regional Protection Party member from late 2013 until early 2014.

Generally there are various reasons why a Conservative party avoids the Republican name since the demographics that dominate the internet and this site, namely rich college kids, are not suited for bammer style Republicanism and newer members who are libertarian or moderate would be turned off by the name. I ran into this when trying to craft a At-Large coalition for JCL. I basically threw every Reaganfan type conservative that wasn't a libertarian (since shua was getting those) and maxed out around 12. JCL had more moderate voters like Spamage, Cris and Tmth bolstering his numbers beyond that thankfully. But it illustrates the numbers situation. Most all the activism on the right is from center-right members both in the Federalist Party and Civic Renewal, whereas two of the most conservative members in the game just deregistered. Evangelical Conservatives are 26% of the real life electorate, here is about 12% to 15%.

The left has avoided the name of their real life counterpart for three years longer then the right has avoided the GOP name. 2007 versus 2004 (or maybe 2005, it was before my time). JCP was ironic naming for seven years and since then Liberal and Labor instill notions of ideology or object to be obtained. For the right, Regional Protection Party was specific goal driven and Federalist also has the same effect via small f federalism (ie Smaller gov't, checks and balances etc) as well as carrying on the reverse history-theme naming of the Whigs.

Anyway I will halt here lest I piss off Griff for clogging his thread. Tongue
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Pacific election notice (April 2015) on: April 13, 2015, 06:52:06 pm
So does this mean I won ?

The people in bold won, so yeah.


So I won how ? I am just curious.


In order for write-in votes to count, the candidate being written-in either has to vote for himself or publically declare he is accepting write-ins for them to be counted. That never happened and so they flowed to the next candidate or exhausted (meaning they went nowhere basically). As the next highest declared candidate with votes, you won. In low turnout regional elections these kinds of things happen. Last month, SMilo nearly won in the South even though he had only one first preference, he came within .7 of winning once preference flows were counted.
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