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76  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Progressives Have a Solution for the Mid-Term Disaster on: November 18, 2014, 07:25:22 pm
IA and CO, not ARK or LA was the key to the majority and having not acted on immigration reform through the Congress, not executively, we would have say a different result.
If anyone thinks another ten million was goingto change NC, they obviously don't live in NC.

The ads were saturating already.

What else could have been placed in an add against Tillis.

1) He gutted eduction to -
2) cut taxes for millions, private jets and yachts
3) will take away your medicare,
4) will ban abortion and contraception
5) had a conflict of interest on his staff

They did all that and more.

So Hagan essentially campaigned as a progressive Democrat?

Its one thing to say your opponent is a right-wing jackhole. Its another to give actual policies.

Exactly, Hagan didn't give a reason to be voted for, was a crappy Senator. And even the Charlotte Observer in their endorsement of her (which she touted as "OMG I Got Tillis' hometown paper"), said she was a crappy Senator in it's endorsement of her.
77  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Progressives Have a Solution for the Mid-Term Disaster on: November 18, 2014, 07:22:28 pm
Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.

Rick Santorum also supports unions. He's from a part of western Pennsylvania where Republicans have some economic positions that aren't exactly ones that most conservatives usually have.

So the Pennsylvanians are different line. That is dirty business man. Tongue

Mitt Romney supports increasing the minimum wage.
78  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: November 18, 2014, 06:54:23 pm
For some reason, I thought Murphy would vote for it. He's pretty close to Landrieu, and I thought he might vote for it as a bone to her.


Come on Miles. Murphy is staying and Landrieu is leaving. Protecting the President>Protecting Senator Landrieu for an incumbent who wants a future. When Reid calls, you obey. I wouldn't be surprised if these fourteen Aye Democrats vanish into the night in January for that reason.
79  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NRCC, American Crossroads & AAN caught coordinating via tweets on: November 18, 2014, 06:52:15 pm
The only news here is the how in which was conducted.

HANG EM!!!!
80  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: November 18, 2014, 06:46:38 pm
62 isn't 67.

My standard is putting it on the President's desk. There aren't enough votes in the house to override and so override margin in the Senate is pointless.
81  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: November 18, 2014, 06:44:24 pm
Udall --> Gardner
Rockefeller --> Capito
Johnson --> Rounds
Harkin --> Ernst

Assuming the other Democrats hold, then the GOP should be able to get 63 next Congress.

Bennet voted yes. That surprised me.

For some reason I thought it said he voted Nay.  And yes it will be 63, I forgot about Johnson.
82  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: November 18, 2014, 06:29:10 pm
1 damn vote.


I think Bennet, Carper, Kaine and King were the votes that decided it.


Assuming the Democrats don't defect, it should pass 62-38 in January.
83  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your Party ID Through the Years on: November 17, 2014, 03:02:11 am
1787-1816 - Federalist
1816-1824 - Democratic-Republican
1824-1828 - Adam's Republican
1828-1834 - National Republican
1834-1854 - Whig
1854-present - Republican
84  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Progressives Have a Solution for the Mid-Term Disaster on: November 17, 2014, 02:48:08 am
Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Police Militarization and Civil Rights Act (Debating) on: November 17, 2014, 02:44:47 am
Will there be a vote on my amendment?

There is no one who can.

The VP has been stripped of all his authority and Dean has no authority in the vacancy of the Speaker except to open a vote on the new speaker.

I said we were cutting too deeply in terms of text size. Tongue
86  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: November 17, 2014, 02:01:42 am
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If Obama takes executive action on immigration before the Dec. 6 runoff, as hes seriously considering, it would undoubtedly activate anti-Obama voters to show up and vote against Landrieu. Her vote for the comprehensive immigration bill last year is still one of the most potent hits on her in GOP focus groups and polling.

What was the point in Pryor and Landrieu vote Aye? 68 was not going to motivate the House anymore then 66 and and would have created more distance for those two between them and Obama with them already under the gun for an aye vote on Obamacare. Hagan and Begich should have voted no as well.
87  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Progressives Have a Solution for the Mid-Term Disaster on: November 17, 2014, 01:48:49 am
If anyone thinks another ten million was goingto change NC, they obviously don't live in NC.

The ads were saturating already.

What else could have been placed in an add against Tillis.

1) He gutted eduction to -
2) cut taxes for millions, private jets and yachts
3) will take away your medicare,
4) will ban abortion and contraception
5) had a conflict of interest on his staff

They did all that and more.
88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Is Landrieu done for? DSCC cancels many of their ad buys in LA markets. on: November 17, 2014, 01:41:36 am
Considering immigration and the China deal, Democrats aren't waiting even for her sake to proceed with these potential landmines (for a Democrat in such a Republican state). They are looking ahead to 2016 and have written her off.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of Federal Elections: Homelycooking, SoFE on: November 17, 2014, 01:14:54 am
My count also diverged at some point Saturday night and has been off by one ever since. But I will defer to to homely, though we should try to make sure we get the numbers right.
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama to announce executive order on immigration on: November 17, 2014, 01:10:43 am
I would prefer he didn't on immigration. I would rather they form an independent bill or series of bills and send them to the Senate and preferrably go to conference, form a compromise and put it to a vote in both chambers. That is the traditional process.

Just passing a comprehensive bill that the Senate passed without any changes, or amendments, that is also a million pages long sounds a lot like how healthcare was passed. And to the extent that consultants, business and Boehner are pushed to just do that and "get it out of the way" ignore the downside risk from removing the moral standing on which to criticize the process in which Obamacare was passed.

The problem isn't the following of the Hastert rule, it is the doing absolutely nothing.

The place where the Haster Rule is the problem is minimum wage a rather simple change and can be done with a smaller text. Minimum wage would pass if put to an up or down vote or at least some form of minimum wage increase would. A good number of Republicans in PA, NY, NJ, OH, MI and ILL as well as some swing district Reps elsewhere would vote for it. Minimum wage is ironically more difficult in the Senate now.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The New and Improved office of Outofbox on: November 17, 2014, 12:56:34 am
Hello, I am sorry haven't been very active here since I left being a councilor.  I nearly moved, and have had some family difficulties. I have decided to re enter the political debate.
Instead of trying to make myself happy by posting stupid comments on other threads, I have realized I am no comedian, and that I shouldn't overly criticize users I actually like, like Mechaman. I am hoping to land myself back here. I am currently contemplating what I should run for next here, and if I should leave the Pacific. Depression is not a funny thing, and if I ran more depression prevention program funding would my main issue. I have decided to grow up, forget my past and lost friends and family members, and look forward to a mature, political future.
                                                         Always here,
                                                         Outofbox


I know what this is like man. I am glad to see you are back. Smiley
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: At-Large Special Election Coverage on: November 17, 2014, 12:53:50 am
Anyone remember BK-SPC-Lief (I think it was lief). Wink

That wasn't as close.

But then we all got elected to the senate a month later anyway. Smiley

Yea, the first election I ever voted in (illegally but I still cast a vote Smiley). Fortunately, SPC didn't need it.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: At-Large Special Election Coverage on: November 17, 2014, 12:43:08 am
Anyone remember BK-SPC-Lief (I think it was lief). Wink

That wasn't as close.
94  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: PA-SEN 2016: McCord not running on: November 17, 2014, 12:39:45 am
I agree with you. I don't think she could win a primary versus Sestak. I was just throwing out other names.

The problem is her base is split. She would win Phill and Montco, but Sestak takes Delco and Chester, and the rest of the state would overwhelming back the Admiral over Schwartz.

On the flip side in the General, Schwartz would ensure almost no risk at all of losing votes out west, in NE or SW PA and even some potential for gain for Toomey (like Erie which likes moderate Republicans and Toomey's bipartisan work could change minds versus 2010). The entire race would come down to Lehigh Valley (where Toomey is based out of it) and Bucks where the GOP has been improving over the last several elections (from matching the state to about four points more Republican than the state).
95  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: PA-SEN 2016: McCord not running on: November 17, 2014, 12:25:33 am
Schwartz could not win a primary against Sestak.

Things could never be so great as for us to be able to go in with Toomey versus Schwartz. A dream of Keystone Phil's if I am not mistaken by the way.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: BK4Senate Campaign Thread [VICTORY] on: November 17, 2014, 12:20:23 am
Enjoy the close shave? Tongue
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: November 2014 Special At-large Senate Election on: November 16, 2014, 11:57:55 pm

AT-LARGE SENATE (to fill one vacancy)


[ 3 ] Bacon King of Oceania
The People's Party



[ 1 ] Cris of Kansas
Federalist Party



[ 4 ] Poirot of New York
Independent



[ 2 ] rpryor03 of New Jersey
National Party



[ 5 ] SomebodyWhoExists of Quebec
Labor Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: ZuWo for AG on: November 16, 2014, 02:30:17 am
Maybe they are worried a certain real life event will provide some inspiration as to how to "enforce" certain laws. Wink
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is Next in Line? on: November 16, 2014, 02:28:09 am
The ONLY person who can claim "next in line" is Santorum. People discussing other "next in line" possibilities are just trying to keep the "GOP always nominates the next in line" narrative alive when Santorum inevitably loses.

By those rules, the rule was dead and burried a long time ago.

I suppose it is like no Republican has ever won without OH, just like no Republican had ever won without Vermont until 2000, PA and ME until 1968.

Oh by the way, we should totally nominate Kasich because no Republican has ever won without OH and he has the best chance at flipping the state. Tongue Just kidding. Wink

We should nominate Kasich though for several legitimate reasons.
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama to announce executive order on immigration on: November 16, 2014, 02:18:33 am
Hastert said on C-span the other day that was never any thing known as the "Hastert Rule", just that a Speaker couldn't long exist as Speaker if he didn't retain the support of a majority of his conference. Seem to endorse having the occassionall all Dems+30 or 40 Republican vote on some things.
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