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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Wages for Housework Act on: July 22, 2014, 11:14:54 am
What does the total cost of this look like?
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: Help For Those Who Seriously Can't Help Themselves Act (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 04:09:29 pm
I would recommend formulating a cost limit because I can assure you the need will exeed it. The high costs in the infamous comprehensive mental healthcare will pushing the lower range as it was and yet were deemed to high. The numbers escape me off hand, but double digit billions of dollars certainly. Regionalized, it is a huge chunk of change. Taking what you have as a maximum amount, you can then determine what such is likely to achieve and then whether or not to proceed is deemed worthwhile.
78  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 04:05:39 pm
Yes. I want to unite everyone against the tyranny of Dave Liep and Nym90. We must make Inks top dog.

Now this petition will never get signatures.
Well fine, how about Keystone Phil?

Running this place has a tendency to destroy one's popularity/support.
79  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 04:04:44 pm
Yes. I want to unite everyone against the tyranny of Dave Liep and Nym90. We must make Inks top dog.

Burned alive it is. Wink Tongue

80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Local Office of IDS Emperor Scott - Salisbury, NC (IDS LEG ELECTION!!!!) on: July 19, 2014, 03:57:28 pm
I find it a little sad that none of the candidates have ran a pm campaign (or at least none that I know of). They should have campaigned more.

Yea, I ended up merely voting for the incumbents and then a person as the declared non-incumbent and then finally a selection of people who can serve/should have ran. A person could have gotten a higher preference probably had he PMed me.

Perhaps healthcare will change that, particulaly with an individual mandate in the mix. Motivate more candidates/interest for August.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: Help For Those Who Seriously Can't Help Themselves Act (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 03:47:57 pm
One of the biggest areas of concern is lack of facilities and also specifically with regards to children, the problem whereby children fall through the cracks of the system as they become adults.

As for research I will draw your attention to the federal statute passed a few months ago. Building on that I would say that care techniques are important, because the use of technology can allieviate some of the lack of capacity issues as well as was to create and broader management of the illness to ensure they receive on-going treatment even as they mature into adults. The problem of lack of facilities will remain to some extent as there are some patients that just cannot be treated out-patient or through therapy done via a two way video chat, known as teletherapy. The cost thought is rather high, and we have basically operated over the past sixty years as if everyone can be dealth with out-patient. In some case, 80% and even 90% reductions in capacity have occured compared to the 1950's and the population has grown significantly since then.

And causation is a critical area that needs all the research it can get. As for cost, I wouldn't be able to say as that would have to depend on the amount of available funds in the regional budget and we basically avoided the issue in the Senate by redirecting existing funding to the state priorities.

82  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 03:30:58 pm
For kicks I am going to pretend this is the serious intended desire, in the form of a nice clean joke.


So would you prefer to be burned alive, or just asphyxiated instead? Tongue
Neither, I want to run this dump into the ground.

I thought merely that you were lampooning the board and most specifically the Lets Ban X threads. So you are have grander visions?
83  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 03:28:11 pm
For kicks I am going to pretend this is the serious intended desire, in the form of a nice clean joke.


So would you prefer to be burned alive, or just asphyxiated instead? Tongue
84  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: No, seriously, let's talk about outofbox6. on: July 19, 2014, 03:25:03 pm
I am shocked, shocked I tell you to learn that the general population on the Atlas is rather litteral and superficial sect of a supposedly intelligent population. In short, sarcasm need not apply here. Tongue
85  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: No, seriously, let's talk about outofbox6. on: July 19, 2014, 03:20:37 pm
Guys, we've all done bad sh**t on here (except Mechaman). Tommy's a nice kid.

What would Mechaman be without his rather "interesting" debut as the anarchic bomb thrower we all grew to know and love in 2009 and 2010? Wink
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 19, 2014, 03:15:34 pm
shua's original bill was only the payroll tax holiday. Onto that we tacked on other things deemed harmful to the long-term unemployed, including the high minimum wage schedules. It was always my intent at least, as a compensatory measure for the Nixcome to be increased as a substitute, even before the Long-Term Unemployment Bill was drafted. The problem was that said bill dragged on far longer and it had to be left for a subsequent bill as inevitably paying for it/adjusting the formular would be somewhat complicated.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: IDS July 2014 Regional Election on: July 19, 2014, 03:03:26 pm


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88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (Another Vote, CHECK THREAD!!!) on: July 19, 2014, 11:41:50 am
The last amendmented has been adopted by a margin of 7-2, I think.

Quote from:  Platform Amendment by Hagrid
-That organized labor has an important function in Atlasian society, but the freedom to choose whether to join a union and participate in its activities must be preserved for all workers.

The vote is on the question of whether or not to add the above plank to the platform. This vote will late 48 hours.

[   ] Aye
[   ] Nay
89  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Hear ye, peasants, the Kingdom of North Sudan hath been declared on: July 19, 2014, 11:34:59 am
Hilarious. The guy's lucky he didn't wind up disappearing while there.

"Occupational hazard for those who would be King." - Rex Harrison as Caesar in Cleopatra.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Public Fuel and Power Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 11:07:36 am
As a slightly connected matter, what happens of the cost of production/extraction of the raw materials or fuel for power generation exceeds the ability of the 7% to cover it? What means is that for production/material costs to be kept down and how easily can one form be switched to another to avoid a price spike. History is full of such spikes in price and such needs to be considered.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 19, 2014, 11:04:17 am
First off, I must point out that there is multiple portions to the bill being repealed only the most controversial of which is a repeal of the high minimum wage schedules passed as part of the FLSA. The bill also amends a rather problematically worded section dealing with contracts that served to cause severe problems employment wise not to mention discouraging job formation. The bill also creates incentives to encourage the hiring of the long term unemployed through a payroll tax holiday. Lastly it discourages the practice of using gaps in employment as a sole criteria for denying employment, through the gov'ts workforce.

I would recommend that instead of reinstating the high minimum wage rates imposed by the FLSA, that instead the Nixcome be raised instead. That the tipped employee's scheduled be likewise brought into line with the main one one as well, with the Nixome increase serving as a more effective and more efficient means to achieve the same end for them as well.

The contract wording should be maintained in some form as well as the policy regarding gov't hiring of long term unemployed, the latter of which should be the least controversial of all.

There was some criticism from Nix and others that the payroll tax holiday for the long term unemployed would be an inefficient means to achieve the desired end. In that case I suggest looking at alternatives if it is deemed to be so by the majority here.

Certainly none can doubt the problem of Long-term unemployment, and at the vary least some of the components of this should be maintained and certainly not wholesale repealed as is the case with the bill presently before the Senate. We are short on bills as I last checked and this provides the opportunity for the administration to pass a bill that rather can steps back in regards to the issue, addresses it more-forcefully/effectively.

92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 10:49:43 am
AYE for the sake of restoring direction to the bill.

That said upon its completion, I reserve right for a final review and thus a final determination before deciding how to vote on the final vote. Tongue
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: End Sports Profiteering Act of 2014 (Final vote) on: July 19, 2014, 10:48:14 am
AYE
94  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: American domestic policy in the event of a Nazi victory in Europe on: July 19, 2014, 08:08:44 am
Hitler wanted the world  

Cite? As far as I've read, Hitler's territorial ambitions didn't extend beyond Iran and the Ural Mountains to the east and Mittelafrika to the south.  

For the immediate term yes, but a Third Reich extending that far would possess the means to make a play for global domination and it would be foolish to trust the expressed limits of ambition of someone who said over and over again, "This and no more" only to take another slice.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sweet Sixteen Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:43:36 am
If I recall correctly from my Baroque era Franco-Spanish history, Philip, Duke of Anjou was just 16 when he was willed the throne of Spain in 1700/1701.

I really don't know, I would like to have some more answers before I vote.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sweet Sixteen Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:40:39 am
I motion for a final vote as requested by the Vice President.


97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:38:55 am
Well it could have been finished before he came back. Wink
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Sanity in Foreign Policy Amendment (Veto Override Failed) on: July 19, 2014, 07:37:36 am
This needs to be removed from the veto override slot
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Let Us Have More Teachers Act (At Final Vote I think) on: July 19, 2014, 07:34:03 am
I was watching a documetnary about the paratroopers in World War two and it talked about the weeding out effect of the training and the high percentage of people who volunteered but washed out because the couldn't make the cut. No one doubts the rigor of such training in relation to the task, but I doubt they wrote on a piece of paper X% will be denied, but rather the standards were raised to such an extent with the expectation that such a high proportion wouldn't make it through.

Of course there are numerous differences, most of all was motivation. Teaching requires sufficient passion and sufficient reward to push people to work through the difficulties. We need to weight also the number of teachers against the quality of such and just putting someone in a classroom isn't going to deliver the goods if they lack the skill to deliver and certainly the kids are no better off.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Corporations Aren't People Amendment on: July 19, 2014, 07:27:18 am
It's about exploitation, dear Yankee. The rights granted to natural persons should not be extended in every instance to a corporation so that the corporation can completely and utterly dominate under the guise of "freedom."

What I'm able to ascertain is that for an exceedingly long period of time there has been a distinction made between a "natural person" and an "artificial person." An artificial person would be a corporation, a church, etc. So, extending the exact same rights of natural persons to artificial persons would be a mistake, IMO, and could lead to the very thing we're seeing IRL.

The people who make up the corporation, for e.g., already have freedom of religion. It's unnecessary and undemocratic to say that the corporation has freedom of religion so that it can deny its employees an important branch of healthcare. See?

Plus, I don't like this right wing notion I'm reading that "Well, I don't like the Hobby Lobby decision, but. . ." But nothing. The exploitation of rights granted to natural persons by artificial persons should be curtailed is what I'm saying.

When dealing with legal matters, one often finds frequent uses of words like "but". Tongue
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