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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment on: March 19, 2015, 04:08:31 pm
Yea I wasn't intending to imply that this amendment changed that specifically. Tongue
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment on: March 19, 2015, 04:07:18 pm
It is for the regions to decide. The South's citizens don't even get to vote on these amendments at all right now. Something I disagreed with, but it is what our elected officials and the region decided to pursue and it is within their right to make it a decision of the legislature. I don't want the Feds coming in here and correcting it for us. We should change it ourselves.



And this amendment doesn't change the IDS system. The Imperial legislature will still have to vote on the amendment even if the efficient referenda amendment passes.

And you already know that because you were a member of the senate when the effcient referenda amendment...

You missed my point. The point is we cannot vote on them (which increases your chances of getting this passed by the way) but I don't seek a Federal remedy to that because it is not their job to fix that. Regional Ratification Booths are a regional responsibility.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of JCL on: March 19, 2015, 03:53:45 pm
Endorsed for reelection! Smiley
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment on: March 19, 2015, 03:51:46 pm
It is for the regions to decide. The South's citizens don't even get to vote on these amendments at all right now. Something I disagreed with, but it is what our elected officials and the region decided to pursue and it is within their right to make it a decision of the legislature. I don't want the Feds coming in here and correcting it for us. We should change it ourselves.

80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment on: March 19, 2015, 03:27:47 pm
Not exactly. A region could delay their voting to allow for discussion if they wanted to. Or kill a flawed amendment by not holding the vote at all and force the Senate to try again. That is all gone now, including that critical quality control aspect that was used at least twice that I recall.
Wait, are you defending the previous version because governors could have simply decided not to open a voting booth??? This is not democratic.
And no debates have ever been held about constitutional amendments before.

Actually there were some discussion threads or in the thread I created to inform the public and regions about the vote. With this there is no thread, because there is no one to inform. A memo is sent from the legislative brance to the SoFE and a vote is immediately held.

Since the abolishment of the ilikeverinship in the Midwest, all the Governors are democratically elected. If the region support the amendment, they can vote out the Governor in favor of one who does.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment on: March 19, 2015, 03:19:29 pm
Not exactly. A region could delay their voting to allow for discussion if they wanted to. Or kill a flawed amendment by not holding the vote at all and force the Senate to try again. That is all gone now in this amendment, including that critical quality control aspect that was used at least twice that I recall.


The only problem was this system was inactive Governors, a problem we don't seem to have right now anyway. Aside from that, I see no motivation for doing this since it is the most desirable situation that a REGIONAL RATIFICATION booth be administered by the regions. It is not nor should it ever be a federal referendum, which implies a single nationwide, majority gets to f you, vote. The name itself is flawed as well.
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Introduction to Atlasia on: March 19, 2015, 02:02:21 pm
literally 50% of the federalist party's officeholders are jcl. how embarrassing.

ME Assemblyman JCL, Southern Legislator Maxwell, Associate Justice TJ, Deputy GM Cathcon, and IDS Judicial Overlord PiT all are "officeholders".

By Monday, JCL, Dereich and PiT will hold elective office.

literally 50% of the federalist party's officeholders are jcl. how embarrassing.

And since Maxwell was elected as a DR, JCL is technically the only elected Federalist in the country.

So those who join don't count, those who leave do? Tongue If you play that game, then Cris doesn't count as a CR, does he fall into the abysmal void then?

Laugh while you can.
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Introduction to Atlasia on: March 19, 2015, 01:53:20 pm
literally 50% of the federalist party's officeholders are jcl. how embarrassing.

And since Maxwell was elected as a DR, JCL is technically the only elected Federalist in the country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-LFiZfFyRRs#t=547
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 18, 2015, 11:52:48 pm
I mean unless you're Nixon-tier insane you probably never have hard feelings over Atlasia

There are grudges going back years still in place.

It even still impacts close elections. Not kidding. Sirnick/Dallasfan and Maxwell/Dallasfan lost support because of Dallas's JCP dalliance three and four years prior.
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment on: March 18, 2015, 11:46:05 pm
I recommend if you have serious concerns about this amendment, then I suggest you make them known, publically and fast before the ayes come streaming in and it gets too late to do anything about it.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Opinion on Efficient referenda amendment on: March 18, 2015, 11:45:19 pm
Its failing right now.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Senator Polnut - Re-election HQ on: March 18, 2015, 11:42:18 pm
The last time you "retired", the place went to hell in a hand basket. Tongue

You know me, and you know where I stand. It is a bit concerning to me, that I have colleagues about whom I know next to nothing about their actual views on policy.

The people deserve an open and honest campaign stating where you are even every election, regarding of opposition or not. Even in spite of immense limitations, I always campaigned on the issues I viewed as priorities even whilst unopposed precisely so that new people could get a sense of what I was about and those older folks knew I wasn't losing track of what I was elected to do in the first place. Whenever we get away from that it harms the game in my opinion since we are an elections game and campaigns are a critical aspect of that.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Poirot for At-Large Senate on: March 18, 2015, 01:06:10 pm
You show em Poirot Cheesy
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 17, 2015, 11:43:44 pm
Also didn't TPP hold six seats for a short time in 2012-2013?

Nope, maxed out at five. Simfan lost his seat Federalist Spamage and thus wasn't in the Senate at the same time as X who joined like the next month and as a Liberal at that for a few weeks.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 17, 2015, 11:39:47 pm
But on the other hand...do you really get to count yourself since that sixth seat was earned through a merger and not outright electoral gains? Wink

Shut up Griff!!! Tongue

The RPP never merged with anyone.

And we actually did help 20RP12. We expected bgwah to run a write-in BRTD or something like that (and win at it too, because he's bgwah, he could do that sort of thing).

91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Inside Nyman: March 2015 Special Senate Election Tracker on: March 17, 2015, 11:30:16 pm
So that was a PM leak. That changes everything - those are generally frowned upon unless in gravely serious situations (like blackmail). Not trying to jump down your throat because you're new, but leaking private messages is very frowned upon here.

Just to be clear: is this taboo specifically towards quoting a PM, or does it include mentioning a conversation that was held over PM at all? I certainly wan't trying to break forum policy or anything, but that conversation was a big reason that I voted the way I did, and you seemed to think I had made the whole thing up just to be a jerk.

Just FTR: you cannot quote PMs. But you did anything wrong here because you just defended yourself.

Oh, I understand his position in defending himself (after all, I was in a similar situation). I'm just saying, I don't think that this is a matter severe enough for all of Atlasia to see.

     Guy felt like he was under attack. No big, but as windjammer pointed out it wasn't anything bad out of him posting it.

I've since explained to him a better way to do it without PM leaking (in private, as these matters should be handled). Truman and I can confirm that we're cool.

     Glad to hear it. I found it a little odd that something like this ever erupted in public in the first place.

Yea, that's just crazy. Everyone knows that if it is going to happen it is suppose to be during or just before the election. Wink
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 17, 2015, 11:15:17 pm
Why not just cheat and have labor make you chairman for a day or something just to earn the title? Tongue

You were chair when the others were elected and reelected and yourself won the sixth seat.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 17, 2015, 11:10:42 pm
Fixed:

Chairman: bgwah
Party: JCP
Duration: late Sept 2011-November 2011
Members: bgwah, Napoleon, BRTD, Snowguy, Fuzzybigfoot and HLC-Kalwejt (Homely never took office)
Reason for its End: Marokai (RPP) took the Midwest seat

Chairman: NC Yankee
Party: RPP
Duration: January 2012
Members: NC Yankee, Marokai Blue, MoPolitico, Junkie, TJ in Cleve and 20RP12 (Elected as PLP, joined RPP after election)
Reason for its End: Dissolution (F..kers)

Chairman: Gass3268
Party: Labor
Duration: Mid July 2013 - September 2013
Members: Napoleon (Elected as Liberal), Gass3268, MaxQue, TNF, bore, Polnut,
Reason for its end: Election of Senators Tmthforu94 (FED) and Senator Xahar (NM-AM) in August succeeding MaxQue and Polnut

Chairman: Lief
Party: Labor
Duration: March 2015 -
Members: TNF, Windjammer, Lief, SWE, Talleyrand, Adam Griffin
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 17, 2015, 11:07:01 pm
In fact, Adam Griffin, of all people, managed to lead Labor to win *gasp* the Dreaded Sixth Seat of Doom - with the highest percentage of the vote for any Labor candidate in history.

You are now also one of just three Chairmen post 2004 (Dems had like nine seats) to have seen their party reach a majority in the Atlasian Senate. All three served in the chamber at the time as well. (You are still chairman right? or did you already leave that post? I haven't followed the convention thread)

Welcome to our elite club!

Chairman: bgwah
Party: JCP
Duration: late Sept 2011-November 2011
Members: bgwah, Napoleon, BRTD, Snowguy, Fuzzybigfoot and HLC-Kalwejt (Homely never took office)
Reason for its End: Marokai (RPP) took the Midwest seat

Chairman: NC Yankee
Party: RPP
Duration: January 2012
Members: NC Yankee, Marokai Blue, MoPolitico, Junkie, TJ in Cleve and 20RP12 (Elected as PLP, joined RPP after election)
Reason for its End: Dissolution (F..kers)

Chairman: Lief
Party: Labor
Duration: March 2015 -
Members: TNF, Windjammer, Lief, SWE, Talleyrand, Adam Griffin

Edit: and you get striped of it in favor of Lief. Tongue

Labor also had a majority of six seats from July to September 2013 (Gass, Bore, TNF, Polnut, Napoleon (ugh), and MaxQue).

Do you really want to count Nappy? Wink
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Debating) on: March 17, 2015, 10:38:33 pm
Why you repealing one of the laws I managed to compose and get passed whilst lacking internet access? Sad
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Census Bureau of Atlasia: RG Fritz on: March 17, 2015, 10:11:52 pm
Simfan34
National Liberal Coalition
California

Wrong thread Smiley

Teehehehehe NLC.

97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 17, 2015, 10:01:53 pm
In fact, Adam Griffin, of all people, managed to lead Labor to win *gasp* the Dreaded Sixth Seat of Doom - with the highest percentage of the vote for any Labor candidate in history.

You are now also one of just three Chairmen post 2004 (Dems had like nine seats) to have seen their party reach a majority in the Atlasian Senate. All three served in the chamber at the time as well. (You are still chairman right? or did you already leave that post? I haven't followed the convention thread)

Welcome to our elite club!

Chairman: bgwah
Party: JCP
Duration: late Sept 2011-November 2011
Members: bgwah, Napoleon, BRTD, Snowguy, Fuzzybigfoot and HLC-Kalwejt (Homely never took office)
Reason for its End: Marokai (RPP) took the Midwest seat

Chairman: NC Yankee
Party: RPP
Duration: January 2012
Members: NC Yankee, Marokai Blue, MoPolitico, Junkie, TJ in Cleve and 20RP12 (Elected as PLP, joined RPP after election)
Reason for its End: Dissolution (F..kers)

Chairman: Lief
Party: Labor
Duration: March 2015 -
Members: TNF, Windjammer, Lief, SWE, Talleyrand, Adam Griffin

Edit: and you get striped of it in favor of Lief. Tongue
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of Federal Elections: Homelycooking, SoFE on: March 17, 2015, 09:39:58 pm
Why were Yankee's preferences accepted if he never posted in the candidate declaration thread? Tongue

gave himself a fourth-preference

Ah, makes sense.

I wasn't sure if it would have worked with a fourth preference, but I feared if I accepted write-ins it would shake things up (What if I won? I couldn't possibly serve as Senator yet). But I didn't want to let Hagrid and Smilo's votes go to waste now. We got to conserve our forests. Wink

I also considered going as far as to change my display name to Reluctant Nay so as to take Oakvale's write-in as well. But I have not changed my display name since Give em Hell Yank way back in 2010 so I decided not to.

This is the first time I have ever received votes in an At-Large election that were accepted. I am probably the only Atlasian so well established to not have had such in six years of At-Large Elections, courtesy of being a Regional Senator for so long.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Griffin for Senate - THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM on: March 17, 2015, 01:19:49 am
You really like that sunglasses GIF, don't you? Tongue

100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: GriffGraph: Balance of Power Comparisons (March 2015) on: March 17, 2015, 01:13:11 am
Why is Labor so weak in the Pacific region?

Because they moved to the Mideast and eliminated what was once the most Federalist region.
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