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76  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: No, seriously, let's talk about outofbox6. on: July 19, 2014, 03:20:37 pm
Guys, we've all done bad sh**t on here (except Mechaman). Tommy's a nice kid.

What would Mechaman be without his rather "interesting" debut as the anarchic bomb thrower we all grew to know and love in 2009 and 2010? Wink
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 19, 2014, 03:15:34 pm
shua's original bill was only the payroll tax holiday. Onto that we tacked on other things deemed harmful to the long-term unemployed, including the high minimum wage schedules. It was always my intent at least, as a compensatory measure for the Nixcome to be increased as a substitute, even before the Long-Term Unemployment Bill was drafted. The problem was that said bill dragged on far longer and it had to be left for a subsequent bill as inevitably paying for it/adjusting the formular would be somewhat complicated.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: IDS July 2014 Regional Election on: July 19, 2014, 03:03:26 pm


[ 4 ] coyolxauhqui of Mississippi
Labor Party

[ 2 ] sjoycefla of North Carolina
The People's Party

[ 1 ] Write-in:_Oak Hills_____________________________

[  3 ] Write-in:__Deadprez____________________________

[  5 ] Write-in:__JBrase____________________________

[ 6 ] Write-in:__Maistre____________________________
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (Another Vote, CHECK THREAD!!!) on: July 19, 2014, 11:41:50 am
The last amendmented has been adopted by a margin of 7-2, I think.

Quote from:  Platform Amendment by Hagrid
-That organized labor has an important function in Atlasian society, but the freedom to choose whether to join a union and participate in its activities must be preserved for all workers.

The vote is on the question of whether or not to add the above plank to the platform. This vote will late 48 hours.

[   ] Aye
[   ] Nay
80  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Hear ye, peasants, the Kingdom of North Sudan hath been declared on: July 19, 2014, 11:34:59 am
Hilarious. The guy's lucky he didn't wind up disappearing while there.

"Occupational hazard for those who would be King." - Rex Harrison as Caesar in Cleopatra.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Public Fuel and Power Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 11:07:36 am
As a slightly connected matter, what happens of the cost of production/extraction of the raw materials or fuel for power generation exceeds the ability of the 7% to cover it? What means is that for production/material costs to be kept down and how easily can one form be switched to another to avoid a price spike. History is full of such spikes in price and such needs to be considered.
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Renewing our Promise to Workers Act of 2014 on: July 19, 2014, 11:04:17 am
First off, I must point out that there is multiple portions to the bill being repealed only the most controversial of which is a repeal of the high minimum wage schedules passed as part of the FLSA. The bill also amends a rather problematically worded section dealing with contracts that served to cause severe problems employment wise not to mention discouraging job formation. The bill also creates incentives to encourage the hiring of the long term unemployed through a payroll tax holiday. Lastly it discourages the practice of using gaps in employment as a sole criteria for denying employment, through the gov'ts workforce.

I would recommend that instead of reinstating the high minimum wage rates imposed by the FLSA, that instead the Nixcome be raised instead. That the tipped employee's scheduled be likewise brought into line with the main one one as well, with the Nixome increase serving as a more effective and more efficient means to achieve the same end for them as well.

The contract wording should be maintained in some form as well as the policy regarding gov't hiring of long term unemployed, the latter of which should be the least controversial of all.

There was some criticism from Nix and others that the payroll tax holiday for the long term unemployed would be an inefficient means to achieve the desired end. In that case I suggest looking at alternatives if it is deemed to be so by the majority here.

Certainly none can doubt the problem of Long-term unemployment, and at the vary least some of the components of this should be maintained and certainly not wholesale repealed as is the case with the bill presently before the Senate. We are short on bills as I last checked and this provides the opportunity for the administration to pass a bill that rather can steps back in regards to the issue, addresses it more-forcefully/effectively.

83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 10:49:43 am
AYE for the sake of restoring direction to the bill.

That said upon its completion, I reserve right for a final review and thus a final determination before deciding how to vote on the final vote. Tongue
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: End Sports Profiteering Act of 2014 (Final vote) on: July 19, 2014, 10:48:14 am
85  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: American domestic policy in the event of a Nazi victory in Europe on: July 19, 2014, 08:08:44 am
Hitler wanted the world  

Cite? As far as I've read, Hitler's territorial ambitions didn't extend beyond Iran and the Ural Mountains to the east and Mittelafrika to the south.  

For the immediate term yes, but a Third Reich extending that far would possess the means to make a play for global domination and it would be foolish to trust the expressed limits of ambition of someone who said over and over again, "This and no more" only to take another slice.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sweet Sixteen Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:43:36 am
If I recall correctly from my Baroque era Franco-Spanish history, Philip, Duke of Anjou was just 16 when he was willed the throne of Spain in 1700/1701.

I really don't know, I would like to have some more answers before I vote.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sweet Sixteen Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:40:39 am
I motion for a final vote as requested by the Vice President.

88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:38:55 am
Well it could have been finished before he came back. Wink
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Sanity in Foreign Policy Amendment (Veto Override Failed) on: July 19, 2014, 07:37:36 am
This needs to be removed from the veto override slot
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Let Us Have More Teachers Act (At Final Vote I think) on: July 19, 2014, 07:34:03 am
I was watching a documetnary about the paratroopers in World War two and it talked about the weeding out effect of the training and the high percentage of people who volunteered but washed out because the couldn't make the cut. No one doubts the rigor of such training in relation to the task, but I doubt they wrote on a piece of paper X% will be denied, but rather the standards were raised to such an extent with the expectation that such a high proportion wouldn't make it through.

Of course there are numerous differences, most of all was motivation. Teaching requires sufficient passion and sufficient reward to push people to work through the difficulties. We need to weight also the number of teachers against the quality of such and just putting someone in a classroom isn't going to deliver the goods if they lack the skill to deliver and certainly the kids are no better off.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Corporations Aren't People Amendment on: July 19, 2014, 07:27:18 am
It's about exploitation, dear Yankee. The rights granted to natural persons should not be extended in every instance to a corporation so that the corporation can completely and utterly dominate under the guise of "freedom."

What I'm able to ascertain is that for an exceedingly long period of time there has been a distinction made between a "natural person" and an "artificial person." An artificial person would be a corporation, a church, etc. So, extending the exact same rights of natural persons to artificial persons would be a mistake, IMO, and could lead to the very thing we're seeing IRL.

The people who make up the corporation, for e.g., already have freedom of religion. It's unnecessary and undemocratic to say that the corporation has freedom of religion so that it can deny its employees an important branch of healthcare. See?

Plus, I don't like this right wing notion I'm reading that "Well, I don't like the Hobby Lobby decision, but. . ." But nothing. The exploitation of rights granted to natural persons by artificial persons should be curtailed is what I'm saying.

When dealing with legal matters, one often finds frequent uses of words like "but". Tongue
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Sweet Sixteen Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:21:40 am
I kind of expected a history lesson. Not getting it has made me sad. I would like to know how and why such legislative action as that mentioned by the sponsor came to be and why?

This has sat for five days now with no action
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Fair Hiring Act of 2014 (Amendment at Vote) on: July 19, 2014, 07:14:46 am
Time has expired here.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:12:51 am
Why are we not considering FPTP or IRV in the lower house? It would promote more activity if we had competitive 1-1 or 1-1-1 elections rather than party lists? If we plan on having a lower house with two reps per district and 1 national at large wouldn't FPTP and IRV be a better arrangement? I'm supportive of going to a bicameral system but my concerns are what I've addressed here.

I think the idea behind Party List would replace the current wording regarding districts and such in the text, not work with it, and operate on an at-large basis like the current At-Large SEnate seats but with Partly List PR instead of STV.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: No Problem But You Pay It Act (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:10:13 am
In case anyone is worried, since no independent bills were repealed, this mandate would still be in effect for the new ANHC.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: End Sports Profiteering Act of 2014 (Debating) on: July 19, 2014, 07:07:36 am
Rather pointless since according to earlier laws, but we shouldn't if we are and to be safe. I wonder what is more conversative to emphasize the funding and seek to prohibit its use or to avoid the unnecessary statute? Tongue
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The White House: President DemPGH and V.P. Windjammer on: July 19, 2014, 07:04:07 am
Why do we spend weeks on end arguing over pointless uncertainties when a mere check of the wiki can give you an answer? Tongue

Does the Constitution forbid GMs from holding other cabinet positions? If so, the AG has been vacant since Simfan swore in as GM.

And yes, Snowstalker does need a hearing, though he can probably serve as Acting AG for now depending on statute regarding the Deputy position.
98  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: July 16, 2014, 10:27:52 am
I guess I am sort of pleased by the result, but I must say I have really lost touch with the Congressional elections across the board.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: 62nd Election of the PPT on: July 16, 2014, 10:14:32 am
I wouldn't have interpreted the rules as requiring an invalidation of write-in votes, but I can definitely see where Windjammer is getting that.  The rules needs to be clarified here. Actually from what I can tell the rules don't say anything about nominating anyone or seconding nominations, so we've been following something other than the letter of the rules here for a while.

I am glad someone else has noticed this as well.

The nominations and such is all superflous. All that matters is the respone by the candidate, "the declaration".

I think it developed as an outpouring of support for myself and I tried to discourage it for a while but people didn't seem to pay attention and loved the idea of nominating various candidates. It wasn't a problem as long as candidates responded within the 48 hours. BK actually lost the position solely because he failed to declare back in 2010.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The White House: President DemPGH and V.P. Windjammer on: July 16, 2014, 10:06:09 am
All resolutions need to be signed except for those dealing with Senate rules since the Constitution gives the Senate exclusive authority to make its own rules. In general all works of the Senate need to be signed except for Constitutional Amendments and Resolutions amending the Senate rules.

I suppose a President could sign a Constitutional Amendment, as a formality, but it he has no power to veto or redraft it.
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