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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Nomination of Cincinnatus as VP on: August 16, 2015, 11:49:39 pm
AYE
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump releases detailed immigration policy paper on: August 16, 2015, 11:47:10 pm
This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

See, it's rather telling that's the response you latch onto. You can't dispute that Romney had no policy proposals in his campaign or even bring up that Jeb does either.

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Look, we need a temporary worker program, we need a pathway to legal status, we need employment verification, and we should get rid of sanctuary cities.

Fine suggestions. So why vote Republican to make that happen when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats could do it instead?

Donald Trump is the first Republican in over a decade to be about something other than "defeat the Democrats." He's far from a joke. He's the most real candidate the Republicans have right now.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated she has no respect for the rule of law. She supports a pathway to citizenship, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I highly doubt she'd support defunding sanctuary cities, she'd support the Dream Act, and she'd try to give amnesty where she can.

No, Donald Trump is a joke. The tea party is falling for his B.S. because they are scared and angry. But the majority of Republicans still support other serious candidates.

So far Donald Trump is the only one who is also polling well in both groups, or at least was. 

And ftr, I recall Romney saying all three things that you said Trump was lying about in either 2007 or 2011 or both.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia: July Regional Executive Approval Ratings on: August 16, 2015, 11:24:41 pm
I'm not 'Acting' Governor anymore...

The standard date for this is the 25th of the month. I cut my two week rule to one regarding officeholders, so I grabbed people who were in office at around the 18th/19 of July or earlier, but no later.

You were on July 18th and 19th. Tongue
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of the Game Moderator on: August 16, 2015, 11:23:30 pm
I understand the frustration, but I wish we weren't losing you as GM. Sad
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: August South Gubernatorial Election on: August 16, 2015, 11:14:34 pm
This poll is for just three days and is for all registered and valid voters in the South Region of Atlasia.

81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: July Cabinet Approval Ratings on: August 16, 2015, 11:06:32 pm
Again, cuttoff around the 17th of July.


82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: July Regional Executive Approval Ratings on: August 16, 2015, 10:57:59 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will run for five days.

Because of all the chaos in late July, Griffin's ban and the mass exodus I decided to delay the polling for that month until what I expected to be early this month when the population had stabilized. I didn't quite expect it to be mid August, but some unexpected factors caused it to be delayed both here and with regards to real life.


The standard date for this is the 25th of the month. I cut my two week rule to one regarding officeholders, so I grabbed people who were in office at around the 18th/19 of July or earlier, but no later. This meant that Acting Governor Pikachu will be polled as opposed to SawxDem who was banned on the 17th. TNF was still Governor past the 20th and Motely didn't take office until this month. Snowguy deregistered after Adam got banned and thus fell into that window. This left a problem for the Pacific, as it meant that a vacancy was in effect for that time period. Since I went forwards and didn't skim to get Sawx in, I won't do the same with Turk. Therefore Lumine was polled. As funny as polling Mr. Vacancy is, I will pass on that for the time being.
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: July At-Large Approval Ratings on: August 16, 2015, 10:53:10 pm
Because of all the chaos in late July, Griffin's ban and the mass exodus I decided to delay the polling for that month until what I expected to be early this month when the population had stabilized. I didn't quite expect it to be mid August, but some unexpected factors caused it to be delayed both here and with regards to real life.


This is the first poll of ours to include Senator Kalwejt for the term elected in July. This will be the last poll for former citizen and Senator Blair for his term elected in April 2015 (I realize this wording sounds weird, but it is better than saying final or last, because he could return someday).

The standard date for this is the 25th of the month. I cut my two week rule to one regarding officeholders, so I grabbed people who were in office at around the 18th/19 of July or earlier, but no later. This meant that Acting Governor Pikachu will be polled as opposed to SawxDem who was banned on the 17th. TNF was still Governor past the 20th and Motely didn't take office until this month. Snowguy deregistered after Adam got banned and thus fell into that window. This left a problem for the Pacific, as it meant that a vacancy was in effect for that time period. Since I went forwards and didn't skim to get Sawx in, I won't do the same with Turk. Therefore Lumine was polled. As funny as polling Mr. Vacancy is, I will pass on that for the time being.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: July Regional Senator Approval Ratings on: August 16, 2015, 10:46:34 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will run for five days.

Because of all the chaos in late July, Griffin's ban and the mass exodus I decided to delay the polling for that month until what I expected to be early this month when the population had stabilized. I didn't quite expect it to be mid August, but some unexpected factors caused it to be delayed both here and with regards to real life.

This is the first poll to include Senators Rpryor, Lumine and PiT. It will also be the last one to include former citizen and Senator Snowguy716 as Senator of the Midwest for the term elected in June 2015.

The standard date for this is the 25th of the month. I cut my two week rule to one regarding officeholders, so I grabbed people who were in office at around the 18th/19 of July or earlier, but no later. This meant that Acting Governor Pikachu will be polled as opposed to SawxDem who was banned on the 17th. TNF was still Governor past the 20th and Motely didn't take office until this month. Snowguy deregistered after Adam got banned and thus fell into that window. This left a problem for the Pacific, as it meant that a vacancy was in effect for that time period. Since I went forwards and didn't skim to get Sawx in, I won't do the same with Turk. Therefore Lumine was polled. As funny as polling Mr. Vacancy is, I will pass on that for the time being.
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: July Senate Approval Ratings on: August 16, 2015, 10:22:50 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will run for five days.

Because of all the chaos in late July, Griffin's ban and the mass exodus I decided to delay the polling for that month until what I expected to be early this month when the population had stabilized. I didn't quite expect it to be mid August, but some unexpected factors caused it to be delayed both here and with regards to real life.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Survey Atlasia: July Presidential Approval Rating on: August 16, 2015, 10:20:18 pm
This poll is for all registered voters and will run for five days.


Because of all the chaos in late July, Griffin's ban and the mass exodus I decided to delay the polling for that month until what I expected to be early this month when the population had stabilized. I didn't quite expect it to be mid August, but some unexpected factors caused it to be delayed both here and with regards to real life.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Townhall Debate for the Southern Gubernatorial Election - Ask Questions! on: August 16, 2015, 12:31:46 am
There is a strong possibility that consolidation would come to pass either in a Con-Con or separately. Would you fight to preserve the South as a region in a post consolidation map drawing effort?
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Presidential Pardon Limitation Amendment (Debating) on: August 16, 2015, 12:23:32 am
It is not from the President Polnut's of the world that we expect history making in the realm of executive excess.

That being said, I am somewhat sympathetic to the notion of balance of powers in this case. However, assuming the VP is independently elected, would still constitute the executive branch and would even acting in a cabinet position be placed in a hierarchical structure below that of the President nad there must be some means to preserve that sort of relationship in the VP amendment.

As for the pardon power, I would still like to hear more about this pardon board and how it woul operate were it not the Senate as Kalwejt framed earlier.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Vice Presidential Election Amendment (Debating) on: August 16, 2015, 12:17:20 am
Double serving the AG as something else will invariable risk a conflict of interest at some point regardless of what post it is. I think we should look at it in terms of systemic risk, what could a VP do as VP that also being AG could allow for him to get away with that he would otherwise be charged for?

Good point. But that would leave only SoEA and SoIA as prospective jobs.


Well my actual point was is VP any more risky then say SoEA or SoIA and does the systemic risk demand that we decline to take such a step?
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Cabinet Reorganization Act of 2015 on: August 16, 2015, 12:10:38 am
If the president can remove the SoIA whenever he wants, and he also appoints them, doesn't it make sense that he should directly have the power to appoint a prosecutor?

It's also true that the president can dismiss the AG whenever he wants, so there isn't much difference between my proposal and the current situation, except mine would trim one permanent office.

OK, that's a fair point. Although I'm not sure whether President is more qualified to initiate a prosecution than a prospective Secretary of Home Affairs.

Here's an alternative proposal: abolish the Department of Justice and replace the AG with a non-cabinet rank of Solicitor General, whose job would be to initiate court cases and represent the government. Wiki duties (as well as overseeing the federal law enforcement, etc.) would be transferred to the SoIA.

What do you think?

Does non cabinet rank mean not voted on by the senate?

I would presume that would depend on the statute creating it. As a office originating from the legislative authority, the legislative authority would set the terms of officeholding. Of course I would recommend cross checking that with the recent amendment to allowed for great executive authority to abolish/create offices via Executive Order, which exempted the DOJ as most should recall, just to be on the safe side.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Justice System Reform Bill 1 2015 on: August 16, 2015, 12:07:55 am
Anyone have any other ideas for reducing prison capacity?
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Constitutions on: August 16, 2015, 12:06:59 am
Its a process to bring an early end to a vote without arbitrarily cutting it off at the Speaker/PPT's pleasure. I didn't realize it contained a question mark. Tongue
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Black mom is horrified with the confederate flag T-shirts on: August 14, 2015, 08:17:02 pm
Naturally, the winners of history get to decide what their legacy is.

It is why the Allies weren't put before war crimes tribunal for firebombing Japan.

The problem for the Confederacy is that it has no saving grace. If you take out politics entirely and speak only for the honor, bravery etc etc, the problem is that it drains such endeavors of purpose. Bravery for what? Honor in the pursuit of what? The Confederacy was formed by seven states who demanded as their Constitutional Right the ability to impose slavery on the rest of the nation lest the slave population grow so large that it cannot be controlled and the salves rise up, burn the plantations and put owner's heads on pikes. People studied their classics back then and they knew of The Servile Revolts in Rome. People don't draw this conclusion as the governing motivation for the South, and therefore it muddles the message somewhat and reduces it to "South wants to keep Slaves, North says no, south secedes". When it should be "South wants to force slavery on the rest of the country, North says no, South rebels"

Four states joined the Confederacy only after the Union denied the first seven "their right to secede" in the eyes of the last four states. I might be willing to concede that VA, NC, TN and AR seceded over state's rights more so than slavery, but slavery is still the indirect cause even for them since the first seven seceded to protect slavery and they in turn seceded to protect the first seven's right to secede.
94  General Politics / Economics / Re: Chaos in the China stock market! on: August 14, 2015, 07:57:10 pm
It sounds to me from the details included, that casaulties are going to be far more massive than what has been listed. "Worker's dormitories and 'every window' on neighboring apartment complex containing several towers blown out", would indicate several hundred unless of course the buildings were largely empty.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Presidential Pardon Limitation Amendment (Debating) on: August 14, 2015, 07:35:35 pm
Who would constitute this Board of Pardons?
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Modern Health Education Act on: August 14, 2015, 07:34:06 pm
What foods would 30 allow for in a given meal as an example?
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Vice Presidential Election Amendment (Debating) on: August 14, 2015, 07:32:43 pm
Double serving the AG as something else will invariable risk a conflict of interest at some point regardless of what post it is. I think we should look at it in terms of systemic risk, what could a VP do as VP that also being AG could allow for him to get away with that he would otherwise be charged for?
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Cabinet Reorganization Act of 2015 on: August 14, 2015, 07:29:05 pm
I would prefer to keep an independent Department of Justice.


As for recreating the DoFA, by merging the RG and DoFE I would prefer to defer to homelycooking on whether he would desire to take up the duties of that office. Before the office was split, the census was almost never updated. This summarized the general consensus at the time:

reluctantly aye, ftr. While I generally question the wisdom of creating new offices, SoFA definitely seems like the most difficult "job" in Atlasia and may actually warrant such action.

And you'd think I invented prefacing votes with "reluctantly". Tongue
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Constitutions on: August 14, 2015, 07:15:39 pm
AYE


I also do not think this will be ratified before the Con-Con will be called via petition. It is mere handful of votes away.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Nomination of Cincinnatus as VP on: August 14, 2015, 07:13:02 pm
I think the Senate was at its best when Cincy ran part of it. Tongue


It wasn't called the Era of Good Feelings for northing. Wink
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