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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ted Cruz major announcement at 4 PM on: April 28, 2016, 12:55:18 am
She was terrible CEO of HP. I know, my family bought two HPs and they both had problems. And the customer service and customer support were horrendous.

She was also a terrible choice to run for Senate in 2010. They should have nominated Tom Campbell. She won't do crap to help the ticket in CA.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Constitutional Convention - Commentary thread. on: April 27, 2016, 11:24:40 pm
Do people know if many players are waiting for a reboot to be active or interested in holding offices. With the number of players currently active it doesn't look like even reducing to three regions, all offices in Nyman and regions will be active. Maybe the new government proposed was a solution adapted to two years ago in bringing more people to Nyman while reducing the number of regions so they are all active and competitive but right now with the number of people who seem interested in playing it seems big. 

We cannot keep downsizing in search of a perpetually moving target. That is a road to nowhere.

KEep in mind we have a massive reset looming on both the Federal and Regional level. With ratification coming in less than a month perhaps, any efforts in the meantime will likely be deleted in a very short time of just a few weeks.

I know that within the Feds a lot of people have plans for the post consolidation Atlasia and therefore I expect an even greater level of participation.
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The utter irrelevance of "more Republicans than Democrats voted for the CRA" on: April 27, 2016, 02:19:24 am
There is inherent stability that is fundemental to Conservativism and therefore it would not be inconsistent for Conservatives to embrace stabilizing measures to the wild environment of the period. It depends on what type of Conservative you are. This was certainly the approach of Bismarck in Germany for instance and the GOP had a good number of German advisers on economic policy and so forth during its first few decades.

This is fair.  Perhaps I'm thinking of conservatism too much as "reactionary," but that seems to have been the predominant tenor of the right-wing for a long time.  Most of us are more concerned with reversing existing changes rather than preventing future ones.

Using international colors, a blue-red (black-red in today's German colors) alliance seems unthinkable now, but it was certainly present in places like Germany, France under Louis Napoleon III (Socialist on Horseback as he was called).

 I got into it with Einzige over when Conservativism began to embrace classical liberalism. He insisted it was the 1850's and earlier, but I think it was a slower, more gradual process with a defining turning point in 1896, with it being set in stone by the New Deal. When Gov't becomes the threat to stability (or that of your interests) is when limited government becomes the desired approach to policy.

Prior to that, Conservatism had a strong strain of pro-gov't economic nationalism as well as the stabilization factor (with a strong Puritanical motivation, get rid of the booze to strengthen communites and help children and women. Build churches and drive out the saloons and brothels) and within that umbrella, Progressives and even some socialists found operating space. Progressivism itself was not as defined either as being left or right, but was considered to be advancing in whatever direction you supported. Business considered growth to be "Progressive" for instance. It came to adopt it's modern definition by being most closely associated with stability desiring social reformers, who were mostly Puritanical women seeking to secure the wilds for faith, family and community. This made them the enemies of the individualist nature of the wilderness, the Libertarian ideal of today.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Why Democrats Are Becoming the Party of the 1 Percent/Trumpism and Clintonism on: April 27, 2016, 02:02:52 am
Use Williamson County, Tennessee as an example of why this wouldn't work.  It's wealthy and overwhelmingly pro-free trade, but it's also deeply conservative on social and cultural issues.  In real life, that makes it an extremely safe Republican county, but in this world, these people would have no party to vote for.

Such a place would become a swing county. Voters swinging back and forth based on which set of issues dominated and the economic backdrop.

Do you think there aren't counties and groups of people that don't fit in the parties right now? Why would it be so shocking for that to shift to a new type of counties and voters?
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Delegate Fight: 2016 on: April 27, 2016, 01:56:21 am
Just had a very interesting thought: Is it within the power of the CA Republican Party to open up their primary and flood the zone with Hispanic Dems to stop Trump?

Too late for 2016. I'm assuming in 2020 we'll get to see lots more proportionality. Possibly lots more cauci, but perhaps they won't go for that -- in the long run the threat to the Republican establishment comes from socons and libertarians, not Trump types.

And if there is one group that does absolutely terrible in caucuses versus primaries, it is the ones that dominate the activist base. Roll Eyes

If the GOP is smart they will go for more primaries. Trying to suppress the inevitable shift driven by demographics within the GOP base will only lead to heads on pikes. They need to run realists who accept the modern reality, quit trying to pretend it is 1980 all over again and map a path that accrues both base support and competitiveness in the general. There is no other way this works.
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I probably won't be voting Republican for President in 2016 on: April 27, 2016, 01:44:45 am
The exodus will include me as well. I will never vote for Trump regardless of office or opponent.

If nominated, I will vote for Cruz.

I'll be the grammar Nazi and point out that you just said you'd vote for Cruz if you are nominated. Wink

Well if TJ were the nominee, I guarantee you, there is no problem anymore.

He would have to shift a bit on immigration to get there though. Tongue
82  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The utter irrelevance of "more Republicans than Democrats voted for the CRA" on: April 26, 2016, 11:45:51 pm
There is inherent stability that is fundemental to Conservativism and therefore it would not be inconsistent for Conservatives to embrace stabilizing measures to the wild environment of the period. It depends on what type of Conservative you are. This was certainly the approach of Bismarck in Germany for instance and the GOP had a good number of German advisers on economic policy and so forth during its first few decades.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why didn't George Pataki's endorsement of Kasich help him defeat Donald Trump? on: April 26, 2016, 08:25:28 pm
Because nobody cares about Pataki anymore. The power brokers (the downstate machines and Paladino upstate) were all behind Trump.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Acela Corridor Tuesday results thread (all polls close at 8pm ET) on: April 26, 2016, 06:34:58 pm
The northeast is the only part of America that is real. Noteworthy that Trump wins all 13 colonies! Real America.
Well, I hate to ruin your party but he technically won 12 1/2 because around 1/2 of Massachusetts land mass was the future state of Maine, which Cruz won.

If revoted under Maine's new law, Trump would win 60% of the vote in Maine.

It is not hard to find 8000 votes in any state who will vote for anything and that is basically what Cruz did. If Maine had an actual vote with 200,000 people voting, it would be Trump all the way.

I'm not sure about that actually.  I do think Trump would have won, but based on VT and NH with a narrower field, it could have been a 40/34/26 affair.

If held at the time with a primary, it would have been Trump with somewhere in the 40's. Held now though, it would be close to 60%.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Acela Corridor Tuesday results thread (all polls close at 8pm ET) on: April 26, 2016, 06:28:30 pm
With all those people who changed their registrations to the Democrats in 2006 and 2008, the remaining Republicans are the perfect mix for Trump.

This was the same trend that destroyed Arlen Specter and enabled Pat Toomey to get into the Senate. And Toomey better be careful, for he is out of touch with this base on both trade and to some extent immigration.

My opinions on trade and surveillance seem to be moving farther and farther from what people are clamoring for today.  But, the Democrats are just as liberal on those issues as we are becoming.


Protectionism is the historically conservative position. That is why they often call Free Trade, Trade liberalization and its supporters are often called neo-liberals. It is rooted in Classical Liberalism but support for it was maintained by Democrats well into the 20th Centry, it was a key component of FDR's policy and JFK's, as well.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Acela Corridor Tuesday results thread (all polls close at 8pm ET) on: April 26, 2016, 06:23:06 pm
The northeast is the only part of America that is real. Noteworthy that Trump wins all 13 colonies! Real America.
Well, I hate to ruin your party but he technically won 12 1/2 because around 1/2 of Massachusetts land mass was the future state of Maine, which Cruz won.

If revoted under Maine's new law, Trump would win 60% of the vote in Maine.

It is not hard to find 8000 votes in any state who will vote for anything and that is basically what Cruz did. If Maine had an actual vote with 200,000 people voting, it would be Trump all the way.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Acela Corridor Tuesday results thread (all polls close at 8pm ET) on: April 26, 2016, 06:19:26 pm
With all those people who changed their registrations to the Democrats in 2006 and 2008, the remaining Republicans are the perfect mix for Trump.

This was the same trend that destroyed Arlen Specter and enabled Pat Toomey to get into the Senate. And Toomey better be careful, for he is out of touch with this base on both trade and to some extent immigration.

88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Hallstead Federalist (Tuesday Special Edition: Blair's Appointment) on: April 26, 2016, 08:27:06 am
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yERyekRVnoH7MMm2_Ef88-M0v9lNnPng4i_TdpKdPKI/edit?usp=sharing
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Governor Blair- Senate Appointment and other things on: April 26, 2016, 07:26:49 am
Lets hope we don't have to impeach anyone this time.


Good Times!
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Governor Blair- Senate Appointment and other things on: April 26, 2016, 07:13:57 am
I read that second sentence just as this reached a crescendo at the four minute mark and I nearly jumped out my seat.



Fitting somehow. You were appointed just before I re-entered the Senate to finish out Adam's term and now you re-enter via appointed, just before I depart again. Wink

Welcome Back to the Senate! Cheesy
91  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1920s Legislation on: April 26, 2016, 06:48:04 am
I would say that the Immigration Restriction Act, along with infrastructure spending of the New Deal and afterwards as well as the GI Bill were the primary drivers of the rapid expansion of the Middle Class in the mid 20th century, and fundamental to facilitating unionization and growth of industries offering both long term employment and great benefits. The simple fact of the matter is that when you tighten the labor market, you force businesses to compete for workers.

That said there was a substantial ethnic basis to how the Immigration act was structured that was wrong and that shouldn't have been the case.

Volstead Act was horrible, as was Smoot-Hawley. The US industrial position was such that tarriffs could only do harm as such was already becoming the case in the 1890's. There is the story from I think Enzo Ferrari about the Fords that were being sold in Italy, being left on the docks of New York, while Fiat obtain near exclusive access to that market for themselves after the tariffs were reciprocated. I would lean postive on both the Revenue Act and Kellogg-Briand
92  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Vladimir Lenin on: April 26, 2016, 06:36:50 am
FF. Lenin was not the problem. The idea wasn't the problem. The corruptibility of the idea, and such, as taken advantage of - by Stalin - was the problem.

The idea itself is quack pseudo-science.

The idea that you can eliminate class based divisions and then just flip a switch to having no gov't at all is completely out of touch with the reality that is human nature. In the latter sense it makes the mistake of all anarchists in presuming that such wouldn't melt down into anarchy and lead to the people rallying around the first strong man on a horse who rides in to save the day.

In the former, it fails to account for the fact that humans are flawed and easily corruptable, meaning once empowered through the process that is suppose to remove class based divisions, the Communist elite will move to preserve its own power and thus never completing the cycle anyway.

It is the perfect illustration of an analysis expressed in the simple language of a Mexican bandit in the Sergio Leone western, "Duck! You Sucker" set in the Mexican Revolution. "The people who read the books, they go to the people who don't read and tell them it is time to make a change, so the poor people make the change. Then all the people who read the books, they sit around their big polished table, and talk and talk and talk, and eat and eat and eat, meanwhile what has happened to the poor people? They're dead! That's your Revolution! And then you know what happens, the same fing thing starts all over again.

There never has, and there never will be a successful Communist Revolution, because Communism doesn't account for the flawed nature of humanity. Lenin was the first example of human nature corrupting the process. These people were terrorist thugs and killers, who but for the complex nature of the events surrounding the last Tsar and World War I, would have never found their way into power.
93  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The utter irrelevance of "more Republicans than Democrats voted for the CRA" on: April 26, 2016, 06:21:44 am
The opening up of the South to the GOP began in the 1950's and formed a continous trend through the 2000s, when the transition was finally completed. It was largely driven by generational and demographic change as most things usually are.

The movement of Northerners into the South, the growth of a middle class base in the Suburbs and a younger generation no longer as wetted to refighting the Civil War and faced with two nominally pro-civil Rights Parties, began to vote their economic interests, which moved them into line with similar demographics elsewhere in the country, as in voting Republican. This created a situation where the big metros were heavily Republican like Dallas, Charlotte, Tampa and the rural areas were heavily Democratic.

It has long been my theory that the generation of Southern kids born just before, during and just after the Civil War was the most militantly racist generation this country has ever seen. They would have grown up with their homes wrecked, and their region destroyed by warfare. To which, they blamed solely on the Yankee Republicans and the Blacks.  It was this generation that led the push to deprive blacks of the vote and you can see with Watson and others how as they became more and more the larger generation, the politicians in the late 19th and early 20th century shifted more and more racist and Segregationist. Since the Civil War wiped out a large percentage of the previous generation, this meant that the post war kids would have reached a majority of the white population much sooner as a result. Theodore Bilbo (1865-1946) was member of this generation, symbolizes their general attitude. 

It was this generation the overthrew the Bourbons in much of the South and help to power the Democrats and their shift towards embracing Progressivism (think Woodrow Wilson). By the New Deal they would have been dying off, but their impact was substantial and formed the basis for that as well. By the 1950's their presence was gone and therefore Greatest and Silent Generation kids, who were too young to have the rantings and ravings of the Civil War generation present, would thus be more open to voting for the Party of business, than their Lost Generation parents who would have been disowned by their own CW generation parents if they dared vote those Yankee Republicans. As World War II Vets, they adored Ike, who was the perfect GOP candidate to coax Middle Class Southerners of the Greatest and Silent generations out of their Democratic shell.
94  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Republicans and Conservative leaning Independents/third party members if you... on: April 26, 2016, 05:47:37 am
Icespear, get your Clinton supporting hands off Goldwater!!! You guys have stolen enough of our people this year as it is. Tongue

Voted the immigration one simply to make it number 2. Not necessarily opposed to a dream act per see, but I am certainly in favor of tougher immigration laws, enforcement and changes in the way legal immigration is administered. And immigration policy has long been more important than abortion in my book. It is also fairly clear that immigration has become the new litmus test right after abortion and possibly guns for determining a GOP nominee. The reason for this is similar to those that have made trade come roaring up as an issue and that is the changes in the GOP's base composition.

That said I am pro-life and would like to see Roe v Wade overturned.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Hallstead Federalist (Tuesday Edition to be Relased at 5 AM) on: April 26, 2016, 04:58:46 am
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SiIuRmIxYVC2xTbH2NC5-tOdQUKMubybNf9EHRpC1tY/edit?usp=sharing
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Misc. Articles (Amendment, Supremacy, Officeholding, etc.) on: April 26, 2016, 04:57:46 am
Senate Passes Bill => House Amends Bills => Senate voteds on Amended Bill

Senate passes amended bill => Sent to President
Senate rejects amendment bill => House Votes on Senate bill minus House Amendment

House Passes Original Senate Version => PResident for Signature
House Rejects Original Senate Versions => Bill Dies
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Hallstead Federalist (Monday April 25th Edition) on: April 26, 2016, 04:14:57 am
https://docs.google.com/document/d/178QqTqCO1pPjRB-QUf2jNvfstH_0yaVNTSHBEHAx-OM/edit?usp=sharing
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: February Federalist Convention (Leadership Elections) on: April 26, 2016, 04:03:12 am
Election Results:


Chairman:
NC Yankee Has been Reelected as Chairman


Vice Chairman:
Leinad has been elected as Vice Chairman.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / The Hallstead Federalist (Tuesday Edition: HOT OFF THE PRESSES!!!) on: April 26, 2016, 12:59:11 am


The Hallstead Federalist is the official paper of the Federalist Party. It is edited by Publius and therefore will treat all Federalists including the Chairman in the third person perspective. As a Paper that is partisan in nature, it is thus to be expected that some might disagree with the analysis presented, as well as the glowing portrayals of Federalists presented herein. Still we do appreciated feedback from all Atlasians, so feel free to comment in this thread.

Selection of Hallstead is because it gives a small town feel, with a close connection to the Party Chairman and substantial New England heritage while being in state with a diverse economy and political outlook.

The Hallstead Federalist is dedicated to the election of Federalist candidates, advocacy for Conservatism, preservation of federalist government institutions and opposition to both radicalism and socialism.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Leinad for Senate - Come Together - Thank You! on: April 25, 2016, 11:40:56 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-qa_erjSjJY#t=573

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