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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Closing Election Loopholes Act of 2016 (Debating) on: January 20, 2016, 02:47:06 am
INVALGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE MUST HOLD HEARINGS NOW!!!  Tongue
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: When did the parties switch platforms? on: January 20, 2016, 02:39:45 am
It is easy to look at a map and ignore the context within each of those states during those periods. The Depression saw the mobilization of a New Deal Coalition, including ethnic whites, minorities and Jeffersonian-Jacksonian Democrats (Southern Illinois for instance). The growth and organization power of unions, gave Democrats a permenant advantage in most of the cities, out voting the urban based GOP middle class base. At the time rural areas were split with places like rural New England, upstate NY, Central and Northern PA and the rural portions of Northern OH, ILL, and Indiana voting Republican. Meanwhile the Southern portions of ILL, IN and OH and even parts of Southern PA voted Democratic.

The effect of this was that Republicans could no longer win in the North at the levels necessary to sustain majorities and everytime things went bad, the GOP imploded like 1948 and 1958. Only people with substantial union support like Rockefeller could win. Prior to the New Deal Coalition, you had people like Republican James Wadsworth getting elected as Senator of New York. Wadsworth opposed women voting and the FDA. Harding got 60% in New York and Coolidge was the last Republican to win New York City. Upstate could actually outvote the city or at least come close to it, and in the city you had a substantial WASP middle class Republican vote. You also had far left Italian Progressives like Fio join the Republicans because the Democratic establishment in Tammany Hall was hostile to them. And of course African-Americans were still voting Republican. After the New Deal, only Liberal Republicans of the mold of Thomas Dewey and his heirs could win in the state.

After World War II, the WASP Middle class moved to the suburbs as did a good number of first Irish and German, and then Italian new middle class voters and powered Republican strength in places like Suffolk, Nassau and Westchester, as well as Staten Island within the city. But the Democratic margins in the city were thus increased and the growth in the city was amongst Democratic leaning demographics, Hispanics and African Americans, as well as more recent ethnic white immigrants, who were thus poorer.  Beginning in the post-war period you had a simultaneous move to the sunbelt, by largely the same group of middle class Republicans. This ramped up in the 1970's and 1980's and helped make Florida so Republican during the Reagan era until the movement diversified and even became Democratic leaning towards the late 1980's.

You cannot look at a map and presume everything else remains the same. Demographic change has a big impact and it is not just in cities. As the new group comes in, the old group's areas of majority are pushed further and further out. The only English majority/plurality counties in New York are in the central upstate. The Irish majority/plurality counties are in the Hudson valley and the Italian majority/plurality ones are NYC suburbs. In 1860, most every county in the state would be English Majority and even super majority with the city being Irish plurality or majority. One hundred or more years before that it was the same story with the Dutch being pushed further and further out by the English. Note this does not mean their presence in the city disappeared, merely that it was swamped by larger and newer demographics. It also doesn't mean there was necessary a flight of people, just that rural counties are naturally behind the city in terms of demographic change by two or three groups.

A massive inmigration of people occured into Vermont and New Hampshire. The one going into New Hampshire was largely Republican leaning consisting of the right demographics leaving Taxachusetts. The opposite was true of Vermont as liberals from Boston and New York located there. Both states as well as Maine, naturally drifted to the Democrats in the 1960's and early 1970's, but New Hampshire swung back hard to the GOP in the 1970's and 1980's, becoming one of 41s best states, largely because of that inmigration. More recent groups moving into NH have been Democratic leaning.

The native demographics of both states fit the GOP like a glove. WASP, rural and Northern. NH had pockets of working class ethnics and more residual Jacksonian Democrats hence why Wilson won it and it was the least Republican of the three Northern New England states. However, that native population changed in its attitudes. It became far more secular over the course of the 20th century. Environmentalism became a big concern as religion became less of one and that was a big thing in the 1960s and 1970s. They were also non-interventionist, protectionist and hostile to immigration, both of which meant that the new sunbelt GOP was a horrible fit for them across the board. Even so there was still a negative reaction to the influx of urban liberals on the part of the Vermont natives and it created a reaction in the late 1990's, which crested in a 10% loss to Howard Dean and Bush losing by about 10% to Gore in 2000.

Remember the two cores of GOP support in the North. Forget Ideology and forget limited government/bigger government for a minute.

Urban/suburban Middle and upper class WASPs - inherited from the Federalists
Select Rural Areas - inherited in waves from Jeffersonian Republicans and eventually Jacksonian Democrats.

This is by nature an at-least center right coalition. It is also not a winning a coalition even before the New Deal. Republicans used tariffs to augment it with workers and some Republicans were rather pro-labor because it was necessary to sustain a pro-industrial party to prevent poor farmers from uniting with poor workers in a Democratic coalition, which is what happened in the 1930s. There was thus substantial space for Progressives to operate within the GOP as well not just with the Civil War legacy, but this geographic necessity of appealing to labor.

What changed was after World War II, the anti-New Deal right realized there was no going back to 1924 in the Northeast and Midwest. Numerous Republicans were moving to the South and Ikes popularity loosened people up to at least considering a Republican in the South. This process began in 1952 with places like Virginia and Tennessee, which had the largest residual bases of GOP support of any of the Southern states, and the fast growing cities of the South like Charlotte, Dallas, Tampa and going further west, Phoenix. Beginning in 1948 and doubled up in 1964, many Southerners no longer regarded the Democrats as their champions on Civil Rights and while some switched solely because of Goldwater, most who switched at these points because they were conservative pro-business suburbanites who viewed their home party not only has hostile on race issues but also on economic ones. They saw the Republicans as a viable alternative for the first time now that there was "not a dimes worth a difference" on Civil Rights anymore. Even use of the dog whistle tactics mentioned by Democrats in this thread was an attempt to be the "lesser of two evils" on the issue and those issues like busing had as much appeal in Michigan, as the Dallas surbubs.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Yankee Workshop - Important Statement on: January 20, 2016, 12:56:16 am
In August of 2014, I lost my internet access and ability to get on this site as much as I needed to. The impact of that situation along was devastating, but even more so it was the perception it created and drove that had a significant impact on the game. I posted, not on here, but on the private forum the full extent of my situation and in the end that information got out and caused significant problems. Even now some will remain reserved about their personal situations because of fear that it will be used six months or even a year down the road.

Anyway, I see no reason not to give a review of things over the past month and a half. In December, my workload increased substantially just as did the previous year. It was the case that I had to deal with the holiday and all the stuff that it entailed as well. However, after Christmas, things have gotten progressively worse for me.

I work 35 minutes away from where I live, at a Wal-Mart Express. It was not my first choice, it was my only choice back in 2014. In late December, our only vehicle quit and so merely getting back and forth to work was a big problem. On top of that there was a lot of stress that went along with that job and on top of that they were pressuring me take on more responsibilities. I tried to get an advance on my income tax refund but was denied. I tried to file again on the internet without seeking such and ran headlong into the myre of the Unaffordable Care Act, costing me a week. Everything I tried to do was failing or running into dead ends and I desperately needed a vehicle.

So I was scheduled off last Thursday through Saturday. I spent most of Thursday trying to sort this tax mess out. I went to bed extremely late and then was disturbed by a phone call around noon the next day from my boss informing me that they are closing our store. They promise to help find positions in other stores, but you have to physically go to those stores and without a car, that is almost impossible. This was practically a death sentence in my current situation, whereas previously it would have been just a serious inconvience.

Today finally, I resolved both the tax and healthcare issue. So after weeks of spinning wheels, some progress was made. We still need a vehicle and I still need to secure a new position before they are all snapped up.

That said, I refuse to allow a repeat of 2014 and I refuse to allow it to impact my activity on this site any further. 

I just got caught up with Survey Atlasia and now we are behind again. I will be conducting both December and January rounds of polling in the next two weeks.

I also plan to get more involved in the upcoming elections than I have been.

I have continued to post and debate in the Senate throughout this period, but not at the clip I would like, my plan is focus more attention back on the Senate and the Convention as well.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: January 20, 2016, 12:37:05 am
Its sad to see homely, Fritz, Dallas and yes, even Oakvale leave.
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: The Executive Branch (President, Vice President, etc.) on: January 20, 2016, 12:21:12 am
on Electing the Vice President

Question: Should the vice president be elected separately from the president?
[ X ] AYE
[   ] NAY
[   ] Abstain

I can see arguments in both directions here, but I think with the task of coordinating the houses, having it as a seperate election might be slightly more appropriate than the present status quo because they would be judged on their own performance. However, I can appreciate the Presidential successor being of liked mind concern as well.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Election Certification Clarity Act (Debating) on: January 20, 2016, 12:09:54 am
No sooner than one week? Why?

Doesn't that open the door for tampering?

Also what about special elections?
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Closing Election Loopholes Act of 2016 (Debating) on: January 20, 2016, 12:07:08 am
My concern is that even on TWC Extreme Internet, this site is still glitchy as hell and sometimes I find it completely unoperable. That is especially the case in the early morning hours, which with my work schedule is the only time I have to get on. You click post and the post doesn't appear, you have to exit the page to get it to go back to the thread. Then ten minutes later the post appears and because of it, you have now voted twice.

I have never had it happen during an election, but it happens enough in other threads that it could very happen during an election. I am also sure this caused one of the June 2009 votes to be discarded in that 1 vote election, though perhaps I am mistaken.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What Happened to compassionate Republicans on immigration? on: January 19, 2016, 03:21:38 am
Immigration was an issue the party shifted to the left on as it became a sunbelt party as a desire to please the new economy donor base, who wanted cheap labor. Of course, that was not uniform and many parts of that region you will find some of the most hostility on the issue like Arizona.

However, the GOP as it has become less and less composed of affluent voters and more and more downscale, is going to reflect the desires and inclinations of the latter as opposed to the former.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What Happened to compassionate Republicans on immigration? on: January 19, 2016, 03:18:59 am
How ironic, the problem that started 30 years ago and remains continually unfixed began during a Presidency committed to an open borders philosophy.

The rank-and-file base has pressured them to put American workers first and stop letting the multinational corporate lobbyists artificially lower wages through flooding the labor market.
Or, they are just bigots. Which is more likely. And the idea that illegals are the reason for lower wages is laughable.
Name calling won't fix anything. I'm just saying this is how it looks for them. You asked, and I gave what I think is a pretty good answer.
Your answer was fine on the hypothetical level. But in the real world, these things are just not true. No American who is unemployed wants to pick tomatoes in California in the sweltering heat. That's a job that, for various reasons, has been taken over by illegal immigrants.

If you really want to put American workers first, pump up the minimum wage, let's stop with this tax cuts for the rich nonsense, and let's try and build back those unions that the Republicans have abandoned.

So illegals only pick crops? Construction has also been flooded, and so have almost all low skilled labor fields and this reached its zenith just prior to the Great Recession, which brutalized those very same fields.

The only Republican who would dare move in that direction is Trump. All the others "are compassionate" because it is good for the donor's interests. Trump is the first Republican Presidential to open endorse a tax hike and survive (on hedge funds) since probably Nixon.

Oh and if you flood a labor market and then raise the minimum wage, you are substituting unemployment for wage depression. The end result is the same, poverty and destitution.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Establishment on: January 19, 2016, 03:04:32 am
It is amazing that the evil of a group so horrendous as to create a reaction is completely ignored by the people shocked and appalled by what said reaction entails.

These are corrupt insiders. They are businessmen who want special carve outs. They don't want limited government, they want carte blanche to do whatever they want. They are the lobbyists who serve them and the campaign staff who make themselves rich even though their candidates always lose.

They deserve everything Trump has in store from them and I hope they bleed to death slowly.

Trump has not yet wrecked the party. However, one group already has that dinstinction resting on their mantle and it is this same establishment in the form of George W. Bush. Now they are desperately trying to foist his brother or one of three carbon copies in this election onto a Party that doesn't want it.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Arm the Peshmerga Act of 2015 (FINAL VOTE) on: January 19, 2016, 02:44:35 am
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Cetacean and Pinniped Protection and Establishment of Rights Bill (Debating) on: January 19, 2016, 02:43:36 am
Any one who finds purpose in eating porpoise needs to be in some kind of facility locked up. Probably won dealing with mental health, but we don't have those anymore, not from lack of trying on my part either.

Anyway, I do think the Dolphin declaration of Independence is a little excessive. Tongue

88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Closing Election Loopholes Act of 2016 (Debating) on: January 19, 2016, 02:38:51 am
I will not vote to repeal the 20 minute rule.

89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Fix the Justice System You Kinda Broke Act (FINAL VOTE) on: January 19, 2016, 02:35:19 am

Its better than the present system.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: windjammer for Supreme Court justice on: January 17, 2016, 03:49:56 am
Mr. Windjammer, I have a question about activity. The Supreme court is not constantly engage but at points the demands on it can be rather intensive. If I recall correctly you did not vote in December and at points you have had periods of inactivity. Can you assure the Senate that you will be an active and able Supreme Court Justice?
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation of Clyde1998 as Register General. (FINAL VOTE) on: January 17, 2016, 03:42:08 am
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Arm the Peshmerga Act of 2015 (Debating) on: January 11, 2016, 10:34:52 pm
I support the amendment that has been passed. Really it is the only viable option at this point because it is the only force on the ground that is at least somewhat reasonable.

What is the level of practical assistance derived from $500 million?
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Interstate Abortion Regulation Act (Voting on Amendment) on: January 11, 2016, 10:30:14 pm
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Regional Economic Sovereignty Amendment (FINAL VOTE) on: January 11, 2016, 10:28:37 pm
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Education Reform Act (Debating) on: January 11, 2016, 10:26:32 pm
Tuition inflation is a big concern and it is the primary reason why so many people cannot afford an education. Market forces don't work to drive down costs because of the prestige and what not, people willing to spend extra money to get that degree from the most well regarded schools and the end result is out of control inflation and the squeezing out of the middle class from a college education leaving just the rich and whoever is lucky enough to be subsidized by the government.

I support PiT's amendment. It is vitally important that we consider the viability of the fields in which degrees are being subsidized in order to 1) not throw that blank check out and 2) to most benefit the economy with mininal downside in terms of the economics of that field.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Homeschooling Regionalization Act of 2015 (FINAL VOTE) on: January 11, 2016, 10:16:32 pm
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why didn't Maine and Vermont vote for FDR in 1936? on: January 07, 2016, 04:25:17 am
Maine elected Ralph Owen Brewster, who had KKK ties. Both states had long histories of being hostile to immigration and generally shared in the Puritanical moralism that defined the Republicans of the late 19th century. It had a long history of being on the cutting edge of what would be defined as "progressive ideas". They abolished slavery before anyone else for instance.

This becomes a culture or a tradition that gets hyped up to the point that Progressive and Vermont are expected to be two things that go together.

However, Vermont was a far different place 70 and 80 years ago. It was far more Protestant, far more religious and far less diverse, lacking the people that moved into the state in the mid 20th century. There were Conservative and Progressive factions within the GOP in the state and that of course was the case nationwide for the GOP. The move to the left by the GOP in the state helped to prolong their ability to compete, but eventually, the state became Democratic leaning as people moved in from New York and Massachusetts. This strenghened and even doubled the state's previous tradition to the point where any thought of Conservatism together with Vermont is incomprehensible.

One thing that should be noted, FDR cracked the Republican bastion of WASP NE counties. He won the Berkshires and won counties in Northern Vermont. However, this was as much new turnout by White ethnics, and unionized industrial workers as it was defection of previously steadfast Republican WASPs. There were also some leftover Jacksonion/Jeffersonian Democrats in these areas (rural Northern New England was strong for them and NH/ME were Democratic states until the GOP was formed), that voted for FDR as well.

98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Fix the Justice System You Kinda Broke Act (Debating) on: January 07, 2016, 03:44:11 am
Since I'm new to the Senate, I'm going to need a little background information on both offices and what they do. I'd check the wiki, but I get the feeling that it hasn't been updated for a while.
Back in September, following the mass-resignation of most of the Bore Administration and the realization that there are simply too many offices in Atlasia, the Senate voted to combine the Department of Internal Affairs and the Department of Justice into the new, consolidated "Department of Home Affairs." This new agency was essentially a conglomeration of the real-life Departments of Jusice, Interior, Treasury, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, Health & Human Services, Transportation, Energy, and Education. This bill would revert to the pre-September status quo, wherein there is a "Secretary of the Interior" responsible for the last nine of those departments and an Attorney General who leads the Department of Justice.

Actually, that is not quite what the current text says, as I pointed out in my previous post.

It did combine it together yes, but it also created the SG to handle court cases on an "as needed basis".

This would basically make the SoHA the defactor AG as well as SoIA under the old system if my understanding is correct. The text is misleading because it says "recombine", yet those two were never combined before hence the confusion.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Arm the Peshmerga Act of 2015 (Debating) on: January 07, 2016, 03:36:53 am
Yes, I recall the stories, especially those from last year where the Iraqi gov't became Sunni and Kurd dominated as opposed to Shia.

I thank Truman for posting the relevant GM stories.

Clearly, if anything, or next move should be to try and strengthen the Iraqi central gov't and/or this confederation of Iraq and Jordan.

100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: A Resolution on Paris attacks. (Passed) on: January 07, 2016, 03:26:34 am
I thank the Senate for passing this common sense measure. Smiley
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