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1  General Discussion / History / Re: Chat with The Mikado about cool history topics that interest you on: August 31, 2014, 09:38:59 pm
In your view, why has the Saudi government, i.e. the House of Saud, not been overthrown, and replaced by a more modern government, one in which a family does not own the country?

The family, in essence, owns all the wealth.

Is it because the government keeps the citizens in a good standard of living?

The days when a family rules a nation is a concept from the middle ages.
2  General Discussion / History / Re: Argue pointlessly with Al about history and so on on: August 31, 2014, 09:14:13 pm
Seen Mikado's excellent new thread? This is the dark side. Mention a historical topic or question of interest to you, and I'll happily argue with you about it until I get bored or you run off crying. My main interest is in what used to be called social history, but there's nothing I would rule out starting a meaningless internet fight over.



3  General Discussion / History / Re: Converse with Joe Republic and his stunning ignorance of basic historical events on: August 31, 2014, 09:00:45 pm
Not historical, but if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Three Term Vice President on: August 30, 2014, 09:26:46 pm
Possible, but very, VERY unlikely.

A new Presidential candidate does not want to be accused of looking to the past instead of looking to the future.

His opponents would have a field day with this.
5  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: What if LBJ quietly de-escalated and withdrew from Vietnam after being sworn in? on: August 29, 2014, 10:15:03 pm
LBJ

-He would not have been hounded from office
-He would have been virtually uncontested for the Democratic nomination in '68
-He would have swept the primaries
-He would have retained Humphrey as Vice President
-The anti Vietnam war riots and domestic violence of that era would not have occurred  
-Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy would not have contested LBJ for the nomination in '68
-Robert Kennedy would not have been assassinated, and may have contested the nomination in '72
-LBJ would have defeated Nixon in the '68 election to win another full term as President, becoming the longest serving President in history with the exception of FDR
-The national tragedy of Watergate would never have occurred
-He would have concentrated more heavily on domestic affairs, in particular social issues and expanding the great society, that is, after all, where his interests and expertise lie  
-He would have gone down in history as one of the greatest reformers and innovators of American domestic and social policy, and as one of the great Presidents, extricating the U.S. from a foreign war as well as reforming the social structure of the nation
-Given his record, he may have made it possible for the Democrats to win the Presidency again in '72, extremely rare for the same party to win four Presidential elections in a row

In other words, LBJ should have done exactly as you have said, de-escalate and withdraw from Vietnam.  
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Keaton House Polling: October 2014 Presidential on: August 27, 2014, 10:46:22 pm
Since the Laborites have destroyed Atlasia, anyone but them.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which U.S. President do you most closely identify with? on: August 24, 2014, 08:12:03 pm
I am surprised to see Coolidge doing very well here. 

He is usually one of the forgotten Presidents.

So good for him.
8  General Discussion / History / Re: Who was the most intelligent President? on: August 24, 2014, 11:45:41 am
One does not get to be a successful actor, a successful two term Governor of the nation's largest state, and an uncannily popular and successful two term President of the United States by being stupid.

If so, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of asking who the most intelligent President of the United States is, if election to said office is taken as evidence of intelligence? Using your own circular criterion, it would seem that to answer your question would essentially require listing every President that achieved re-election and retrospective popularity among some segments of the populace.

To be of the view that Reagan was not the most intelligent President is fine, I fully  concur with that view.  It is also fine for someone to state that Reagan was the most intelligent President, although I have not seen that expressed.  However, there is a big difference in holding the view that Reagan was not the most intelligent President and stating that Reagan was mentally impaired.  As has been pointed out, he was diagnosed five years after leaving office.

My point is simply that some on the left are completely unwilling to give credit to political leaders on the right simply because they do not agree with their ideology.     
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Which U.S. President do you most closely identify with? on: August 23, 2014, 01:53:08 pm
Which U.S. President do you most closely identify with?

Please give your reasons if you like.

Teddy Roosevelt.

I like his populist approach.
10  General Discussion / History / Re: Who was the most intelligent President? on: August 23, 2014, 01:20:20 pm
One does not get to be a successful actor, a successful two term Governor of the nation's largest state, and an uncannily popular and successful two term President of the United States by being stupid.

The extreme leftist looney bin element are simply unwilling to give any credit at all to any politician who is not to the left of Karl Marx.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Assembly General Election & Referendum on: August 23, 2014, 12:26:27 pm
1.  Winfield
2.  Deus naturae
3.  homelycooking
4.  Poirot

Aye
Aye
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2014 Federal Election - At-Large Senate on: August 23, 2014, 12:12:29 pm
1.  Clarence
2.  JCL
3.  Lumine
4.  Deus naturae
5.  Poirot 
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Which VP pick moved the needle more in their home state? on: August 23, 2014, 12:39:58 am
Ryan.

Kerry's southern strategy with Edwards didn't help him at all.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment on: August 20, 2014, 11:11:12 pm
Nay
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: The Grand Duchy of the Northeast Act (Debating) on: August 19, 2014, 11:33:34 pm
You can't have deputies without an upper house. It goes against the whole point of being a deputy.

This is Atlasia fantasy government.  We can have any form of legislature we want. 
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: The Grand Duchy of the Northeast Act (Debating) on: August 19, 2014, 11:27:56 pm
Thank you Representative Dubya for introducing this bill into the Assembly in my behalf.

Passage of this bill will give the Northeast a unique identity within the republic.  The concept deserves a fair debate.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rick Perry indicted on abuse of power on: August 16, 2014, 10:25:06 am
Christie and Perry sidelined by self inflicted wounds.

No big loss.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: The Candidacy Withdrawal Amendment on: August 15, 2014, 08:34:33 pm
Aye
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Special Assembly Election on: August 15, 2014, 08:33:25 pm
Write-in Poirot
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of President Pro Tempore TNF: Senate under Proletarian Leadership on: August 13, 2014, 11:35:13 pm
Official seal of the Office of the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

SENATE DIRECTIVE NO. 2
Regulations concerning the Senate cafeteria
President Pro Tempore of the Senate and Regional Senator TNF of the Midwest

The Senate cafeteria shall henceforth only procure materials from worker owned and managed cooperatives. In cases where a worker owned or managed cooperative does not produce materials needed by the Senate cafeteria, the procurement of materials must be from a company that uses union labor.

All renovations to the Senate cafeteria, or to any part of the Senate chambers, shall henceforth be made with union labor.

The Senate cafeteria shall henceforth not employ managers except those chosen by the workers of the Senate cafeteria themselves by secret ballot. The workers shall manage the cafeteria themselves, set working hours, and determine their roles at work by democratic means from this point forward.

Seems to me a good time for some good ol' fashion union bustin'.



Hey, you're not a Senator, so perhaps you shouldn't tell the Senate how to manage its employees.

Nor are they your little pawns who you think you have the right to subvert to your senseless babble.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Northeast Assembly Legislation Introduction Thread on: August 13, 2014, 11:15:57 pm
The Grand Duchy of the Northeast Act

The new name of the Northeast Region shall be The Grand Duchy of the Northeast

The Northeast Assembly shall be known as The Chamber of Deputies of the Northeast

The Governor shall have the title of The Grand Duke of the Northeast if a male or The Grand Duchess of the Northeast if a female

The Lieutenant Governor shall have the title of The Crown Prince of the Northeast if a male or The Crown Princess of the Northeast if a female

The Speaker of the Assembly shall have the title of The Speaker of the Chamber of Deputies

Members of the Chamber of Deputies shall have title of Deputy

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I would ask that one of our Representatives please introduce this bill into the Assembly.  It should at least be given the chance to be debated.

Thank you.

Dubya said he would, but I have not seen it introduced into the Assembly.

22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of President Pro Tempore TNF: Senate under Proletarian Leadership on: August 12, 2014, 11:51:15 pm
Official seal of the Office of the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

SENATE DIRECTIVE NO. 2
Regulations concerning the Senate cafeteria
President Pro Tempore of the Senate and Regional Senator TNF of the Midwest

The Senate cafeteria shall henceforth only procure materials from worker owned and managed cooperatives. In cases where a worker owned or managed cooperative does not produce materials needed by the Senate cafeteria, the procurement of materials must be from a company that uses union labor.

All renovations to the Senate cafeteria, or to any part of the Senate chambers, shall henceforth be made with union labor.

The Senate cafeteria shall henceforth not employ managers except those chosen by the workers of the Senate cafeteria themselves by secret ballot. The workers shall manage the cafeteria themselves, set working hours, and determine their roles at work by democratic means from this point forward.

Seems to me a good time for some good ol' fashion union bustin'.

23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Northeast Assembly Legislation Introduction Thread on: August 10, 2014, 09:10:47 pm
The Grand Duchy of the Northeast Act

The new name of the Northeast Region shall be The Grand Duchy of the Northeast

The Northeast Assembly shall be known as The Chamber of Deputies of the Northeast

The Governor shall have the title of The Grand Duke of the Northeast if a male or The Grand Duchess of the Northeast if a female

The Lieutenant Governor shall have the title of The Crown Prince of the Northeast if a male or The Crown Princess of the Northeast if a female

The Speaker of the Assembly shall have the title of The Speaker of the Chamber of Deputies

Members of the Chamber of Deputies shall have title of Deputy



Dubya, the above is the daft of the bill that you will be introducing in the Assembly.

I have simply added that Members of the Chamber of Deputies shall have the title of Deputy.

Thank you.   


Introduced.

Where?  I do not see it in the Regional Government thread. 
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Northeast Assembly Legislation Introduction Thread on: August 10, 2014, 12:00:26 pm
The Grand Duchy of the Northeast Act

The new name of the Northeast Region shall be The Grand Duchy of the Northeast

The Northeast Assembly shall be known as The Chamber of Deputies of the Northeast

The Governor shall have the title of The Grand Duke of the Northeast if a male or The Grand Duchess of the Northeast if a female

The Lieutenant Governor shall have the title of The Crown Prince of the Northeast if a male or The Crown Princess of the Northeast if a female

The Speaker of the Assembly shall have the title of The Speaker of the Chamber of Deputies

Members of the Chamber of Deputies shall have title of Deputy



Dubya, the above is the daft of the bill that you will be introducing in the Assembly.

I have simply added that Members of the Chamber of Deputies shall have the title of Deputy.

Thank you.   
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Northeast Assembly Legislation Introduction Thread on: August 09, 2014, 11:39:25 pm
Which of the esteemed Representatives would like to sponsor this bill?

The Grand Duchy of the Northeast Act

The new name of the Northeast Region shall be The Grand Duchy of the Northeast

The Northeast Assembly shall be known as The Chamber of Deputies of the Northeast

The Governor shall have the title of The Grand Duke of the Northeast if a male or the Grand Duchess of the Northeast if a female

The Lieutenant Governor shall have the title of The Crown Prince of the Northeast if a male or The Crown Princess of the Northeast if a female

The Speaker of the Assembly shall have the title of The Speaker of the Chamber of Deputies



I'll sponsor it for you. I enjoy this kind of thing.

Cynic had kindly agreed to sponsor this bill for me.  Now that Cynic is no longer in the Northeast Assembly, I would ask which of you fine Representatives would do me the great favor of sponsoring this bill for me?

I would be most appreciative.

Thank you. 

I'll do it.

Thank you Dubya.  Much appreciated.
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