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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: 2016 election results, no Electoral College majority on: December 10, 2016, 03:49:15 pm
How does Trump not crater if the entire GOP West votes for McMuffin?

That's not the scenario and that's not the question.

That's why this is in the What-IF section.

In the What-IF section, anything is possible.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / 2016 election results, no Electoral College majority on: December 10, 2016, 01:40:13 pm
This is the 2016 election result.

How does the House of Representatives vote to decide the election?

Please discuss.



Donald Trump/Mike Pence          268
Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine            226
Evan McMullin/Mindy Finn            44
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Jbrase for Southern Supreme Court Justice (Questioning) on: December 10, 2016, 12:06:35 am
I believe I am entitled to ask whatever questions I damn well please, sir.

I thank JBrase for his excellent answer.

Fine, but if it is not relevant to the matter at hand, then why ask it?

But, I nonetheless commend you for using your imagination.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Jbrase for Southern Supreme Court Justice (Questioning) on: December 09, 2016, 07:00:41 pm
If you could be a tree what tree would you be?

What kind of a stupid question is this?

And what does it have to do with anyone's qualifications to be a Justice?
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: December 2016 House Election on: December 09, 2016, 02:30:00 pm
5.  1184AZ (Federalist-FL)
2.  Enduro (Federalist-PA)
6.  Republitarian/Goldwater (Federalist-UT)
3.  Santander (Federalist-AL)
4.  Secure America/Heisenberg (Federalist-NM)
7.  tedbessell (Federalist-CA)
1.  Write-In: Poirot
     None of the Above
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northern Voting Booth: December 2016 Regional Election on: December 09, 2016, 01:45:34 pm
SENATE

[   ] Ascott
Labor Party

[ 1] Write-In: Poirot

ASSEMBLY

[   ] evergreen
Uncultured Marxist Party of Atlasia  - Hombre Freedom Party - Nasty Women's League - Front Against Federalist Fraud - #Rpryorforprison - United Atlasia/End the Regions

[   ] JGibson
Democratic Party

[   ] Maxwell
Communist Party of Vermont

[ 2] 20RP12
Independent

[ 1] Write-In: Poirot
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton is not a good candidate (based on ability to win) on: December 08, 2016, 11:56:52 pm
Where does idiocy come from, I wonder?

Er.......

Indeed, as we now have our answer: the Rust Belt.

With a Democrat attitude like that, it is no wonder the Democrats lost the Rust Belt and thereby the election.

No doubt Rust Belt voters find your denunciation of them ill conceived, objectionable, and offensive.

You deserved to lose the Rust Belt and the votes of the fine, upstanding, honest, hard working, wonderful people who live there.    

Republicans love the great people of the Rust Belt, whereas, evidently, Democrats distain them.   
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: More shocking: MI or WI? on: December 08, 2016, 11:23:33 pm
Definitely Michigan.

Historically, Michigan has a greater percentage of support for Democrats than does Wisconsin, at least since 1996.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If the Michigan recount went on, would Clinton have flipped it? on: December 08, 2016, 11:19:09 pm
Absolutely not.

Anything greater than  a 500 vote difference, even less, makes it virtually impossible to overturn the result.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What are your favorite moments of the 2016 cycle? on: December 07, 2016, 05:44:25 pm
Election night when it became clear that we would not have to endure yet another Clinton Presidency.

The crowd at the Clinton election night gathering looked absolutely shell shocked.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which was a bigger failure? on: December 07, 2016, 05:34:30 pm
I think the Clinton 2016 campaign pretty well took things for granted and believed that Hillary was inevitable, and did not wake up to the reality of the campaign until it was too late.

So the Clinton campaign was the bigger failure.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you have any regrets? on: December 06, 2016, 12:13:56 am
Yes.

I regret that Trump did not win New Hampshire and Minnesota.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why would anybody even want to be Secretary of State in Trump administration? on: December 05, 2016, 07:40:36 pm
For sure Mitt Romney will not be picked for the job.

As far as I'm concerned, Mitt will be far better off not working in the Trump administration. 
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TIME Person of the Year on: December 05, 2016, 07:36:49 pm
Clearly Donald Trump.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should California be allowed to secede from the union? on: December 05, 2016, 07:30:57 pm
No, they should not be allowed to secede from the union.

They should be forced to live under a Trump Presidency, like it or not, at least for a minimum of four years.

After living four or eight years under a Trump Presidency, let them go their own way if that's what they want.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why would anybody even want to be Secretary of State in Trump administration? on: December 05, 2016, 07:20:20 pm
If it's going to be so horrible, why do you want Mittens to get the job so bad?

I no longer believe Romney should take the job.

I believe whoever gets the post will be on a collision course eventually with Trump, unless the Secretary is a complete yes man or yes woman.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Why would anybody even want to be Secretary of State in Trump administration? on: December 05, 2016, 04:04:56 pm
Why would anybody even want to be Secretary of State in the Trump administration?

Seeing Trump's actions on global issues since the election, I believe any Secretary of State would be walking a fine line and a tight rope.

Any initiatives the Secretary may take could very well be undermined by the President the next day by a tweet from the President.

The Secretary, I believe, would be in constant danger of falling into conflict with the President.

Please discuss.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Stein cancels Pennsylvania recount effort, citing high cost on: December 05, 2016, 12:10:49 pm
Wonder where the money is going to go?

The question is, how much of this money is actual money in the recount coffers, and how much of this money is simply in money that has been pledged to the recount effort.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Trump expands search for Secretary of State on: December 05, 2016, 01:02:05 am
This can mean only one thing, Mitt is out, as is Rudy.

Trump has got to be out of his mind to pass over Mitt for this position.  Mitt is the only one who could have provided stability to this post.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-expands-search-for-secretary-of-state-beyond-romney-and-three-other-finalists/ar-AAl8ksC?li=AAggNb9
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Recount chances on: December 04, 2016, 11:48:08 pm
Less than zero.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Allies Plot Anti-Trump Insurgency on: December 04, 2016, 06:08:25 pm
The Clinton people all need to just retire. Their era is over.

Ya, but what about Chelsea?

She may be attempting to enter politics at the U.S. House level, as you no doubt are aware.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would you feel if Clinton won the EC while losing the PV? on: December 04, 2016, 04:41:22 pm
If Clinton won the EC while losing the  PV, then Clinton wins the election and becomes President.

Pure and simple.

I would not be happy that she becomes President, but at the same time I would not dispute in the least the fact that she has every right to become President.

If Hillary won the EC and was even 5,000,000 votes behind Trump in the PV, I still would not dispute in any way, shape, or form that she has every right to become President.

I would not go running around yelling and screaming like Democrats are doing now about Trump.

I would not go around writing illegal and disgusting graffiti on buildings and acting like a moron like Democrats are doing now about Trump.

I would accept completely and unquestionably the fact that Hillary will be sworn in as President in January, and that she every right to do so.

It would not effect my opinion of the Electoral College at all.  I would still be a strong supporter of the Electoral College.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Get your Madam President T-shirts before they're gone on: December 03, 2016, 04:21:13 pm
http://www.zazzle.com/madam+president+tshirts

Destined to become a collector's item.

You can tell your children and grand children the fascinating story behind this piece of American memorabilia.

Have fun shopping.  Smiley
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Some Clinton electors lobbying for EC protest votes? *UPDATE* 7 Dem electors going faithless on: December 03, 2016, 03:48:48 pm
The Electoral College does not have to be abolished, and it won't.

What needs to happen is that the Electors have to be obligated, by law, to vote for the winner of the state for which they are an Elector.

And a 19 year Elector?

Wanting to make a statement?

How stupid is that?
I like this post a lot. My only quibble is that we can't speak in total certainty about the future of our country, let alone the EC.

Thank you.

You are, of course, correct that we cannot say anything about the future with absolute certainty.

However, I think we can all agree that the abolition of the Electoral College would be a very long, drawn out, bitter affair.

And constitutionally, I believe I can say that more likely than not, at least in the immediate future, and by that I mean a considerable length of time, that any attempt to abolish the Electoral College is more likely to fail than to succeed.    
Yep. Thanks for the naunce.
It can get lonely sometimes defending the EC on the internet. You're welcome, fellow EC supporter. Smiley

Indeed, I am a firm supporter of the Electoral College.

It gives smaller states more say in the election.  

If the election for President was based completely on the popular vote, by far most of the attention from the parties and the candidates would be spent on the large states, California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, New Jersey.

The Electoral College system gives more influence to smaller states, and a better balance for Presidential elections.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was this the most significant election of recent times? on: December 03, 2016, 03:31:33 pm
Indeed it is.

This could very well be the beginning of a new Republican fascist alignment and resurgence.

It will depend on how the first Trump goes.

If he delivers on jobs, this will be very positive for the Republican future.

FTFY

Here I am, trying to be nice, but what does a red avatar do, throw around insults.

But if you want me to take the gloves off, I am capable of that too.

All you've done is insult people for the last month. You have no concept of "nice".

Obviously you don't.

Your fellow anti Trumpites have been throwing around terms like fascist and racist for the last month to anyone who didn't support Clinton.

And you're talking about nice? 

Get a grip on reality man.

Reality is not on your side. Trump was endorsed by the KKK. Clinton was endorsed by former Republican office holders like John Warner, Colin Powell and even former President George HW Bush. The reality is Trump is a racist, sexist pig who is manifestly unfit for public office and this is obvious to all but the most blinded partisans like yourself.

Well  you obviously have no sense of reality, nor do you seem to have paid much attention to the facts.

The KKK was definitively denounced by Trump and the Republican Party.

Trump won more than 62,000,000 votes, and you are ridiculously and absurdly tarring all 62,000,000 + of them as racists.

Trumps vote total from racist elements is miniscule.

Your vitriol is astounding.

For your information, my support for Trump was mainly due to the fact that he will be appointing justices to the Supreme Court who respect the constitution, and these appointments will likely last for a generation.  As well, that Clinton is clearly untrustworthy.

Trump won because Hillary was a flawed candidate, because he related to the working class, he  campaigned on the economy and jobs, and appealed to hard pressed people in the rust belt, who Hillary practically ignored.
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