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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How big a disaster will a Hillary Clinton presidency be? on: September 26, 2016, 10:24:09 am
A disaster of monumental proportions.



2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Gennifer Flowers at Monday's debate hurt Hillary or Trump more? on: September 25, 2016, 10:59:35 pm
Clearly Donald.

Hillary would be seen as the victim.

But Gennifer won't be there anyway.

3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Debate - Has Donald Trump made a huge mistake on: September 25, 2016, 05:11:43 pm
..........by continuing to make campaign appearances while Hillary Clinton has been hunkering down and preparing for the debate?

Please discuss.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why hasn't Clinton Camp released ads on Johnson yet? on: September 25, 2016, 02:39:52 pm
Because Johnson is an ideological wingnut.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Tmthforu94 for Atlasia on: September 24, 2016, 12:06:01 am
I am pleased to announce my endorsement and support for Tmth for President of Atlasia.

Tmth has the experience and the skill sets to do the job.  I find Tmth to be results oriented, rather than ideological.

He will level with the people of Atlasia.

He is the one for the job at this critical juncture in the history of Atlasia.

6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: America's Greatness And The Rise Of The Romney Dynasty on: September 23, 2016, 12:41:03 pm
Senator Mitt

Senate President:  The floor recognizes the honorable Senator from the state of Massachusetts.

Senator Romney:  Thank you Mr. President.  It is my great honor to have been elected by the good people of Massachusetts to represent them in this great American democratic body. 

Let me begin by paying tribute to my predecessor as Massachusetts Senator, Ted Kennedy.  He has served our state and our nation well and faithfully for many years, and deserves our thanks and gratitude.  He has worked hard for our state and our nation, and I publicly thank him for his service.

It is a great honor for me, as well, to be serving in the United States Senate, as a place where my mother, Lenore Romney, served so capably for six years, 1979-1985 as the Senator for the great state of Michigan.  Thank you mom for your dedication and hard work for the people of Michigan and for the people of this nation.

It will be my goal during my time in this legislative body to bring forth what I believe will be positive and meaningful legislation and reform for the people of Massachusetts and for the people of America.

A domestic priority for me will be health care.  And when I say health care, I mean meaningful, comprehensive, affordable health care, health care that does not recognize, and that does not discriminate, based on economic  or social status, and that does not discriminate for any other reason.  Nobody in this country should have to go without the best medical care possible, from birth, to childhood, to young adulthood, to adulthood, to the twilight years of one's life.  I believe this should be a right for all Americans, not a privilege available to those only who have the means.

Along this line, I also envision social programs in this nation that provide the necessary help to those who, at times in their lives, need help.  These programs are to be based on need and are to be available to all who need these services, regardless of social status or sexual orientation.

I speak, for example, of an expansion in this nation of facilities equipped to provide meals to the homeless, of facilities equipped to help in a very meaningful way battered spouses, shelters for adults and children to help them reestablish themselves in society.  I am speaking of after school care, breakfast and lunch programs in those areas where they are required.  No child should have to go hungry to school or to be in a situation where they do not have after school care  where none is being provided. 

I want to see day care expanded and improved.  Those who can pay for day care will pay for it, those who cannot afford day care will be helped.

I propose a restructuring of America's tax policy where the wealthy will pay their fair share of tax, and where taxes are fair and reasonable across the board. 

Having been a CEO for many years, I have seen where waste can be eliminated and where efficiency can be improved.  These programs of which I speak are possible my friends.  All it takes is fairness, work, and determination.

So I am asking my fellow colleagues in this legislative body to join me in getting these programs moving, less talk and more action.

Thank you Mr. President for allowing me this time to put forth some of my intended reforms. 

     
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Will Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump by primaried in 2020? on: September 23, 2016, 02:19:43 am
Yes but not successfully.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump call Clinton "crooked Hillary" on the debate stage? on: September 23, 2016, 01:02:59 am
Although the term "Crooked Hillary" describes her perfectly, I believe Trump will attempt to maintain a higher standard of dialogue during this informative and energetic clash of ideas.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who comes out on top in the first Debate? on: September 22, 2016, 04:42:33 pm
Expectations for Trump are low, so he will be the perceived winner.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 20, 2016, 10:33:34 pm
This is what our "Lincoln Republican" thought just a few years back.



A ticket composed of Trump and Winfrey would, to put it politely, be a joke, and would not be taken seriously by the electorate. 
I don't care how many day time viewers Oprah has, or how many night time viewers Donald has, or how much
money they have between them, although they could certainly run a flashy campaign with it.  The rough and tumble
of the campaign would reveal how ill prepared either of these individuals would be to lead the country, or to assume
the leadership of the free world, or to lead the war against terrorism. 

Donald should stick to firing people on reality TV, and Oprah should stick to "healing people's souls."  The percentage of
votes received by this politically inept and ill conceived ticket would be negligible.



Would he himself back then take anybody posting what he is posting now as anything other than a joke?

Well, I must say that I am extremely flattered that you think my posting history is of such Atlas historical value that you took the trouble to go back 11 years to 2005 to quote me.

Thank you very much.  Thank you very much indeed.

My dear fellow, I would not dream of deleting anything of such historic value and importance to this forum.     
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 20, 2016, 09:53:36 pm
Democrats, you have much to panic about.

Hillary is untrustworthy.  Some would say she is a crook, but I shall be polite.

She lied to the American public about her e-mails.

Hillary has enriched herself by taking millions in ill gotten gains from her friends on Wall Street.

She has been paid 250,000 per speech to speak to the Fat Cats and 21st Century Robber Barons who were bailed out with billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars

Hillary does not have the stamina to do the job.  Some would say she is frail and sickness prone, but I shall be polite.

She lied about the state of her health and the fact she had pneumonia.

Hillary is consumed by ambition and would step on anybody and would stop at nothing to achieve it.

This is self explanatory to anyone who knows anything about her history.

Hillary has a voter enthusiasm problem.  The Obama coalition is not moving to her like they were to Obama.

By this time the Democrats had hoped to have the election well in hand, not an almost even race.

The Democrats have occupied the White House for eight years.  Voters generally prefer a change to the other party after two terms of the same party.

The last time one party won three terms straight was 1988, 28 years and 7 elections ago.

The trend, for the time being, is moving toward Trump.  If the trend continues, and the public is aware that it is happening, they will tend to go with the perceived winner rather than the perceived loser.  Psychology plays an important role in modern politics.

Trump is doing better at this time than Democrats had thought or wished he was doing.

The Hillary campaign is not going as planned.  In spite of spending millions, with the Republicans spending a fraction on advertising as the Democrats have been doing, the race is close.

Self explanatory.

In the final analysis, the people's desire for change may just become so insurmountable that a huge advertising budget and a good ground game, may simply just not be enough.  

This is conjecture and is a possible outcome of the campaign.


You complain about a personal attack, but half of this is baseless personal attack.

Give me one example from the above post where I have made a personal attack against another poster on this forum.

Attacking a candidate is not a personal attack against a poster on this forum.  And that is what can get you demerit points or banned, is making personal attacks against another poster on this forum.

This forum is full of attacks against candidates running for office. 

There are some things in here that are deliberate misrepresentations, as well as outright lies.

You are better than this.

My reasoning as stated above.

If you wish to toss around personal insults and accusations to me, go ahead if it makes you feel better.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 19, 2016, 10:21:54 pm
Democrats, you have much to panic about.

Hillary is untrustworthy.  Some would say she is a crook, but I shall be polite.

Hillary has enriched herself by taking millions in ill gotten gains from her friends on Wall Street.

Hillary does not have the stamina to do the job.  Some would say she is frail and sickness prone, but I shall be polite.

Hillary is consumed by ambition and would step on anybody and would stop at nothing to achieve it.

Hillary has a voter enthusiasm problem.  The Obama coalition is not moving to her like they were to Obama.

The Democrats have occupied the White House for eight years.  Voters generally prefer a change to the other party after two terms of the same party.

The trend, for the time being, is moving toward Trump.  If the trend continues, and the public is aware that it is happening, they will tend to go with the perceived winner rather than the perceived loser.  Psychology plays an important role in modern politics.

The Hillary campaign is not going as planned.  In spite of spending millions, with the Republicans spending a fraction on advertising as the Democrats have been doing, the race is close.

In the final analysis, the people's desire for change may just become so insurmountable that a huge advertising budget and a good ground game, may simply just not be enough.  


You complain about a personal attack, but half of this is baseless personal attack.

Give me one example from the above post where I have made a personal attack against another poster on this forum.

Attacking a candidate is not a personal attack against a poster on this forum.  And that is what can get you demerit points or banned, is making personal attacks against another poster on this forum.

This forum is full of attacks against candidates running for office. 
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 19, 2016, 04:20:21 pm
Democrats, you have much to panic about....

So do the Republicans. Both candidates are unpopular, Trump being MORE unpopular than Hillary, and more mentally unstable and divisive. Even members of his own party are denouncing him and distancing themselves from him. While all the big wigs in Hillary's party are behind her.

Trump people have NO room to talk, AT ALL.




You know, you make an excellent point.  I have never said that I am supporting Donald Trump.  I believe the choice this election is the worst two candidates the major parties have ever offered for the same election.

In fact, if you check my posting history, you will see many, many posts denouncing Trump vociferously.

Neither Donald nor Hillary deserve to become President of the United States as far as I am concerned.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 19, 2016, 03:55:57 pm
Democrats, you have much to panic about.

Hillary is untrustworthy.  Some would say she is a crook, but I shall be polite.

Hillary has enriched herself by taking millions in ill gotten gains from her friends on Wall Street.

Hillary does not have the stamina to do the job.  Some would say she is frail and sickness prone, but I shall be polite.

Hillary is consumed by ambition and would step on anybody and would stop at nothing to achieve it.

Hillary has a voter enthusiasm problem.  The Obama coalition is not moving to her like they were to Obama.

The Democrats have occupied the White House for eight years.  Voters generally prefer a change to the other party after two terms of the same party.

The trend, for the time being, is moving toward Trump.  If the trend continues, and the public is aware that it is happening, they will tend to go with the perceived winner rather than the perceived loser.  Psychology plays an important role in modern politics.

The Hillary campaign is not going as planned.  In spite of spending millions, with the Republicans spending a fraction on advertising as the Democrats have been doing, the race is close.

In the final analysis, the people's desire for change may just become so insurmountable that a huge advertising budget and a good ground game, may simply just not be enough.  



Can someone document when Lincoln Republican snapped? I remember his posts being reasonable and well-thought out, and now they've become incoherent and are quite different in tone and voice, especially in the last week and a half or so.

So I see, your panic attack has now turned into a personal attack.  Nice move.

If you look at my posting history, you'll notice I haven't been panicking. It is an honest question/observation. The tone of your posts has changed dramatically, whether you acknowledge it or not.

OK, if you say you have not been having any panic attacks, then I take you at your word, as I am confident you are a person of honor.

However, the personal attack you made on me still stands.

15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 19, 2016, 03:48:33 pm
Democrats, you have much to panic about....

So do the Republicans. Both candidates are unpopular, Trump being MORE unpopular than Hillary, and more mentally unstable and divisive. Even members of his own party are denouncing him and distancing themselves from him. While all the big wigs in Hillary's party are behind her.

Trump people have NO room to talk, AT ALL.




John Anderson, Nixon, Mathias...denounced Reagan.

Lots of Lindsay Republicans denounced Nixon's Southern Strategy, meanwhile Humphrey had the big-wigs.

Look what happened.

I see little if any comparison to the Trump situation.



Then you're not looking very hard.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 19, 2016, 02:07:32 pm
Democrats, you have much to panic about.

Hillary is untrustworthy.  Some would say she is a crook, but I shall be polite.

Hillary has enriched herself by taking millions in ill gotten gains from her friends on Wall Street.

Hillary does not have the stamina to do the job.  Some would say she is frail and sickness prone, but I shall be polite.

Hillary is consumed by ambition and would step on anybody and would stop at nothing to achieve it.

Hillary has a voter enthusiasm problem.  The Obama coalition is not moving to her like they were to Obama.

The Democrats have occupied the White House for eight years.  Voters generally prefer a change to the other party after two terms of the same party.

The trend, for the time being, is moving toward Trump.  If the trend continues, and the public is aware that it is happening, they will tend to go with the perceived winner rather than the perceived loser.  Psychology plays an important role in modern politics.

The Hillary campaign is not going as planned.  In spite of spending millions, with the Republicans spending a fraction on advertising as the Democrats have been doing, the race is close.

In the final analysis, the people's desire for change may just become so insurmountable that a huge advertising budget and a good ground game, may simply just not be enough.  



Can someone document when Lincoln Republican snapped? I remember his posts being reasonable and well-thought out, and now they've become incoherent and are quite different in tone and voice, especially in the last week and a half or so.

So I see, your panic attack has now turned into a personal attack.  Nice move.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you Democrats please stop panicking? on: September 19, 2016, 01:38:50 pm
Democrats, you have much to panic about.

Hillary is untrustworthy.  Some would say she is a crook, but I shall be polite.

Hillary has enriched herself by taking millions in ill gotten gains from her friends on Wall Street.

Hillary does not have the stamina to do the job.  Some would say she is frail and sickness prone, but I shall be polite.

Hillary is consumed by ambition and would step on anybody and would stop at nothing to achieve it.

Hillary has a voter enthusiasm problem.  The Obama coalition is not moving to her like they were to Obama.

The Democrats have occupied the White House for eight years.  Voters generally prefer a change to the other party after two terms of the same party.

The trend, for the time being, is moving toward Trump.  If the trend continues, and the public is aware that it is happening, they will tend to go with the perceived winner rather than the perceived loser.  Psychology plays an important role in modern politics.

The Hillary campaign is not going as planned.  In spite of spending millions, with the Republicans spending a fraction on advertising as the Democrats have been doing, the race is close.

In the final analysis, the people's desire for change may just become so insurmountable that a huge advertising budget and a good ground game, may simply just not be enough.  

18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Obama: Would be 'personal insult' to legacy if blacks don't vote 4 Hillary(CNN) on: September 19, 2016, 12:52:04 pm
Well, the Dems have been taking black voters for granted for generations now, and now that they really need them, Obama gets nervous and pushes the panic button, in a desperation move, using fear mongering.
19  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: What if Reagan had picked Ford as VP in 1980? on: September 19, 2016, 12:39:30 pm
Reagan and Ford would win in 1980.  Carter was very much discredited by that time.

But President Reagan could not have tolerated all the demands made by Ford, basically attempting to usurp Presidential powers on the economy and foreign affairs.

They would have had a very rocky relationship and there is no way Ford would be on the 1984 ticket.

Reagan would have greatly regretted ever picking Ford.

There is no way Ford could ever have been the nominee in 1988.  Reagan would not have supported him, nor would the party.

Ford in 1980, mistake, a big mistake.

1984, Reagan picks Bush for VP.  Bush becomes Presidential nominee in 1988, and wins.

Ford becomes a partial term unelected Vice President, a partial term unelected President, and a full term elected Vice President.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: The next time a Republican wins the presidency? on: September 19, 2016, 11:24:27 am
My guess is 2024, but it happening later than that is more likely than people think.

On right, because Democrats are going to win the Presidential elections of

2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, maybe more

four Presidential elections in a row, maybe more.

Ya, that's gonna happen.

You think the Democrats are going to come up with some more Franklin D Roosevelts or what?

 
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The ugliest possible scenario for Democrats on: September 18, 2016, 05:25:14 pm
Everybody, stop and think.

If Trump wins as in the OP scenario, he deserves to win the Presidency, if he wins the recounts as stated.

That's democracy, and the Dems would just have to get over it.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Priebus threatens to purge #NeverTrump Repubs like Kasich, Bush on: September 18, 2016, 05:05:31 pm
What a stupid thing for the Chairman of the RNC to say.

Simply divides the party further, and the election is yet to be held.  

Has he been taking stupid statement lessons from Trump?
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence: Cheney as a Role Model for VP on: September 18, 2016, 04:52:56 pm
You may not agree with Cheney's approach to everything, but he was a great Vice President.

Disgusting.

Sad! 

Free speech man.  Welcome to the world of democracy, something you don't seem to understand.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence: Cheney as a Role Model for VP on: September 18, 2016, 04:52:21 pm
You may not agree with Cheney's approach to everything, but he was a great Vice President.

Disgusting.

Free speech man.  Welcome to the world of democracy, something you don't seem to understand.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence: Cheney as a Role Model for VP on: September 18, 2016, 04:45:22 pm
You may not agree with Cheney's approach to everything, but he was a great Vice President.

He had the gravitas to do the job, as well as be President if that would have become necessary. 
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