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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Consultation and Legislation Submissions on: July 22, 2016, 12:21:18 am
LGBTQ+ Rights Act

Section 1. Inclusion in Existing Civil-Rights Law
1. The protections described in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, specifically Titles II, III, VI, and VII, shall apply also to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
2. The protections described in Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 shall apply also to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
3. The protections described in Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, or the "Fair Housing Act", shall apply also to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Section 2. The Right to Security in One's Own Body
1. All insurers within the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia shall be required to cover options for hormone replacement therapy and puberty blockers.
2. There shall be no requirement that parents or guardians consent to a minor accessing puberty blockers.

Section 3. Grants for LGBTQ+-Friendliness in Schools
1. The government of the Republic of Atlasia shall distribute $1.5b through the Department of Education to provide schools with grants to fund anti-bullying programs and LGBT+-positive sex education.

Section 4. Ban on Conversion Therapy
1. All forms of "conversion therapy", "reparative therapy" or other practices with the intention of affecting a person's sexual orientation or gender identity are hereby banned in all territories under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia.
2. Any person who performs such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $50,000 per day in violation and/or irreversible revocation of any and all medical licenses.
3. Any person who solicits such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $5,000.
4. Attempted or completed subjection of a minor to such a practice shall be considered sufficient grounds for emancipation.

Section 5. Inclusion in Official Gender Markers
1. All official documents issued by any body under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia that contain gender markers, including but not limited to drivers' licenses, shall be required to require an "other" option for non-binary genders and no requirements to change such markers, beyond regular administrative fees, shall be allowed to exist.
2. Congress strongly recommends that all future statutes, resolutions, etc. of the Republic of Atlasia or its subsidiary bodies refer to singular persons of indeterminate gender with the pronoun "they", rather than gender-specific pronouns.

Section 6. An End to the Mass Mutilation of Intersex People
1. All forms of "genital normalisation surgery", or other sex assignment treatments and/or surgical interventions on the sex characteristics of a minor with intersex characteristics, are hereby banned in all territories under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia, except with the express informed consent of the subject or in the case of medical necessity.
2. Any person who performs such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $50,000 and/or irreversible revocation of any and all medical licenses.
3. Any person who solicits such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $5,000.
4. Attempted of completed subjection of a minor to such a practice shall be considered sufficient grounds for emancipation.

Section 7. Marriage

1. Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two consenting persons to the exclusion of all others.

2. It is recognized that officials of religious groups are free to refuse to perform marriages that are not in accordance with their religious beliefs.
3. For greater certainty, no person or organization shall be deprived of any benefit, or be subject to any obligation or sanction, under any law of the Atlasia Government  solely by reason of their exercise, in respect of marriage between persons of the same sex.

Section 8. Implementation
1. Sections 1, 4, 6 and 7 of this bill shall be considered effective immediately upon entering into law.
2. Sections 2, 3 and 5 of this bill shall be considered effective beginning January 1st, 2017.
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Section 7, subsection 1 shall be amended to read

1. Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two consenting persons who have reached the age of majority to the exclusion of all others.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Consultation and Legislation Submissions on: July 22, 2016, 12:03:10 am
LGBTQ+ Rights Act

Section 1. Inclusion in Existing Civil-Rights Law
1. The protections described in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, specifically Titles II, III, VI, and VII, shall apply also to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
2. The protections described in Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 shall apply also to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
3. The protections described in Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, or the "Fair Housing Act", shall apply also to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Section 2. The Right to Security in One's Own Body
1. All insurers within the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia shall be required to cover options for hormone replacement therapy and puberty blockers.

2. There shall be no requirement that parents or guardians consent to a minor accessing puberty blockers.

Section 3. Grants for LGBTQ+-Friendliness in Schools
1. The government of the Republic of Atlasia shall distribute $1.5b through the Department of Education to provide schools with grants to fund anti-bullying programs and LGBT+-positive sex education.

Section 4. Ban on Conversion Therapy
1. All forms of "conversion therapy", "reparative therapy" or other practices with the intention of affecting a person's sexual orientation or gender identity are hereby banned in all territories under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia.
2. Any person who performs such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $50,000 per day in violation and/or irreversible revocation of any and all medical licenses.
3. Any person who solicits such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $5,000.
4. Attempted or completed subjection of a minor to such a practice shall be considered sufficient grounds for emancipation.

Section 5. Inclusion in Official Gender Markers
1. All official documents issued by any body under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia that contain gender markers, including but not limited to drivers' licenses, shall be required to require an "other" option for non-binary genders and no requirements to change such markers, beyond regular administrative fees, shall be allowed to exist.
2. Congress strongly recommends that all future statutes, resolutions, etc. of the Republic of Atlasia or its subsidiary bodies refer to singular persons of indeterminate gender with the pronoun "they", rather than gender-specific pronouns.

Section 6. An End to the Mass Mutilation of Intersex People
1. All forms of "genital normalisation surgery", or other sex assignment treatments and/or surgical interventions on the sex characteristics of a minor with intersex characteristics, are hereby banned in all territories under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia, except with the express informed consent of the subject or in the case of medical necessity.
2. Any person who performs such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $50,000 and/or irreversible revocation of any and all medical licenses.
3. Any person who solicits such a practice shall be subject to a fine of up to $5,000.
4. Attempted of completed subjection of a minor to such a practice shall be considered sufficient grounds for emancipation.

Section 7. Marriage
1. Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two consenting persons to the exclusion of all others.
2. It is recognized that officials of religious groups are free to refuse to perform marriages that are not in accordance with their religious beliefs.
3. For greater certainty, no person or organization shall be deprived of any benefit, or be subject to any obligation or sanction, under any law of the Atlasia Government  solely by reason of their exercise, in respect of marriage between persons of the same sex.

Section 8. Implementation
1. Sections 1, 4, 6 and 7 of this bill shall be considered effective immediately upon entering into law.
2. Sections 2, 3 and 5 of this bill shall be considered effective beginning January 1st, 2017.
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Section 2, Subsection 2 shall be amended to read:

Parent or guardian consent shall be required for any minor accessing puberty blockers.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: What is Ivanka Trump's path to the presidency? on: July 21, 2016, 11:54:31 pm
It's probably gonna happen, right?

I don't see her getting elected to any statewide contests in NY? Maybe her and hubby can move to a lake house in Idaho or something.

I'm guessing: Carpetbag to Florida. Senate Run in her 40s. Presidential run in her second term.

According to Wikipedia

First issue for Ivanka to face as a candidate, her husband, Jared Kushner, apparently received favorable treatment from Harvard College.

Ivanka Trump's husband, Jared Kushner, graduated from Harvard College in 2003 with an A.B. in sociology. According to journalist Daniel Golden, Kushner and his brother Joshua Kushner were admitted despite modest academic credentials after their father had made a $2.5 million donation to the university, with the director of the school's college preparatory program describing Jared Kushner's admission to be "an unusual choice for Harvard to make" given that he was "not anywhere near the top of his class."

4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 10:30:41 pm
If you make grandiose statements like that, it's good to actually have evidence to back it up, rather than just adjectives and blank platitudes.

Well, I was expressing my views.  

But if you want "evidence", then go back and watch the RNC on YouTube or some such place that carries them.  I'm sure you can find them.

I was talking about the speaker at the time, not you. Sorry about the confusion.

OK, thank you.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 07:55:19 pm
If you make grandiose statements like that, it's good to actually have evidence to back it up, rather than just adjectives and blank platitudes.

Well, I was expressing my views. 

But if you want "evidence", then go back and watch the RNC on YouTube or some such place that carries them.  I'm sure you can find them.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 07:43:38 pm
What I have mainly heard from the RNC so far is angry men, white and black, a very disappointing speech from the would be First Lady, and a Nazi salute from a female speaker.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why is Kaine considered so likely, a candidate for VP? on: July 21, 2016, 07:39:16 pm
He's the right age, has a great education, has impressive political credentials and experience, is from a swing state, is fluent in Spanish, and is a male.

He is safe, solid, non controversial, and won't hurt the ticket.

He is believable as someone who could capably assume the Presidency.

He is far and away Clinton's best choice.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 21, 2016, 07:25:34 pm
Precedent is, clearly, that parents make the decisions in matters relating to their minor children.

Please provide legal prcedent in Atlasia.

And it has become clear to me that this Senate is bound and determined to impose the radical gay agenda, and let me say, is determined to impose the radical LGBTQ agenda upon Atlasia, no matter what, legal or not

You discredit yourself. I voted for you once. Never again.

1.  Legal precedent, please refer to the example cited by Senator tmth IRL situations in this matter to justify the usurpation of parental rights.  The same logic can be used for precedent IRL regarding parents and their minor children.  If you can use it, I can use it. 

2.  Well, thank you for your vote my friend.  Greatly appreciated.  You know, the right to choose who governs us is the very essence of democracy.  Also, the right to free and open debate on issues is fundamental to democracy, and, clearly, when one takes a stand on issues, they are bound to not please everyone, so I fully respect your decision not to vote for me ever again.  That is your right and your privilege.

And don't ever let anyone convince you to vote for me again.  Smiley
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 21, 2016, 07:08:33 pm
It is hard to argue that something is "embedded in the constitution" then not have any part of the constitution to reference for that. I can ask you the same question: where in the constitution does it give parents the right to usurp medical decisions from minors? That being said, I'll fall back on Article V, Section I, because the right to life and liberty extend to all Atlasians, not just those who are 18 and over.




In other words, your actions in usurping the authority of parents in matters relating to their minor children are ultra vires of the Atlasian constitution. 

Precedent is, clearly, that parents make the decisions in matters relating to their minor children.

Your using Article V, Section I in matters such as this is a stretch.

And it has become clear to me that this Senate is bound and determined to impose the radical gay agenda, and let me say, is determined to impose the radical LGBTQ agenda upon Atlasia, no matter what, legal or not.
As I have said multiple times and will continue to say, if you or others would like to offer an amended version of the legislation, you are welcome to do so. In terms of the Senate, it was adequately debated for more than the required time and was voted on without any objections. This wasn't shoved through - I performed as PPT as I was supposed to, so I'm unsure as to why people continue to specifically target the Senate.

In the time that those opposed to this bill have spent complaining about it after the fact, an amended version could have been offered and we could have already started the debate in Congress.

Senator tmth, now, you know as well as I do, that putting forward any amendments for the Senate in the matter of any changes to this radical LGBTQ legislation would fall on deaf ears, and be soundly voted down by the Senate.

10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 21, 2016, 06:17:29 pm
winfield, why do you think parents should be able to withhold necessary medical care from their children?

"They have been used by transgender children. Children can be prescribed puberty blockers, with their parent's permission, by an endocrinologist, usually after psychiatric or mental health evaluations. Puberty blockers take the form of a monthly injection. Currently, treatment including puberty blockers are not worldwide."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty_blocker

11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 21, 2016, 06:14:38 pm
It is hard to argue that something is "embedded in the constitution" then not have any part of the constitution to reference for that. I can ask you the same question: where in the constitution does it give parents the right to usurp medical decisions from minors? That being said, I'll fall back on Article V, Section I, because the right to life and liberty extend to all Atlasians, not just those who are 18 and over.


In other words, your actions in usurping the authority of parents in matters relating to their minor children are ultra vires of the Atlasian constitution. 

Precedent is, clearly, that parents make the decisions in matters relating to their minor children.

Your using Article V, Section I in matters such as this is a stretch.

And it has become clear to me that this Senate is bound and determined to impose the radical gay agenda, and let me say, is determined to impose the radical LGBTQ agenda upon Atlasia, no matter what, legal or not.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Last Minute VP Poll on: July 21, 2016, 06:04:27 pm
Kaine, without a doubt.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of Ted Cruz's convention speech on: July 21, 2016, 04:48:14 pm
Great speech.  One of the best.

Why should Cruz endorse a candidate who viscously attacked and maligned his wife?

And I totally disagree with any who claim this is the end of Cruz's political career.  Nonsense.  He has a bright future ahead of him in politics because he went into the lion's den and looked the beast square in the eye, and delivered his message.

14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 21, 2016, 04:11:26 pm

I repeat, is this right for the Senate to usurp parental rights embedded in the Atlasian constitution or is it not?
What clause are you referring to?

Section 2, Part 2

Section 2. The Right to Security in One's Own Body

1. All insurers within the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia shall be required to cover options for hormone replacement therapy and puberty blockers.

2. There shall be no requirement that parents or guardians consent to a minor accessing puberty blockers.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. What part of the constitution are you referring to that guarantees parents/guardians the right to be able to consent on anything medical on their children?

My question is, IS there anything in the constitution that states that the Atlasian government has the right to usurp parental authority over minors?

I am not referring to any part of the constitution, simply IF THERE IS anything in the constitution, anywhere, that allows the government to usurp parental authority of their minors?
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 21, 2016, 01:17:40 am

I repeat, is this right for the Senate to usurp parental rights embedded in the Atlasian constitution or is it not?
What clause are you referring to?

Section 2, Part 2

Section 2. The Right to Security in One's Own Body

1. All insurers within the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia shall be required to cover options for hormone replacement therapy and puberty blockers.

2. There shall be no requirement that parents or guardians consent to a minor accessing puberty blockers.

16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 20, 2016, 11:53:54 pm

I repeat, is this right for the Senate to usurp parental rights embedded in the Atlasian constitution or is it not?
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you miss Mitt Romney, and would you vote for him vs Clinton? on: July 20, 2016, 11:22:05 pm
Yes and yes
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 20, 2016, 11:09:11 pm
Perhaps one of you who supported and voted for this legislation could explain to me how the government can legally pass legislation which takes away parental rights for what medical procedures their minor children undergo.

Explain to me what in the constitution states that the government has the right to carry out medical procedures on minor children without the consent of their parents.

And don't all of you run away from this inquiry at the same time.   
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Meredith McIver really exist? on: July 20, 2016, 04:33:17 pm
Apparently.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Donald flies into Cleveland July 20 without Malania. on: July 20, 2016, 04:23:00 pm
What are we to read into this?
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's feud with Kasich loses him top staff in Ohio on: July 20, 2016, 04:17:01 pm
Historically, no Republican has ever been elected President without winning Ohio.

So in that context, this is very bad news for Trump.  He should know better than to get into a fight with the Governor, who is well liked in Ohio.
22  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? on: July 20, 2016, 03:24:37 pm
Did he act alone?  Yes
Was there a conspiracy? Probably
I don't buy the CIA+Cuba+Oilman stuff though.

You can't deny the oilman angle in this. Oswald worked at the Texas Depository at the time. It was owned by a guy named D.H.Byrd (David Harold Byrd). He was friends with the guys that were part of the  Big Oil group in Dallas, along with Clint Murchison, H. H. Hunt and Sid Richardson. Big backers of LBJ'S Election campaigns.

So you are, indirectly, linking the assassination to LBJ?
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 20, 2016, 03:04:52 pm
The legislation clearly states "two consenting persons".

You may want to go back to the books and change the wording so it is clear and unequivocal.

24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Admin. - Apply for Cmtes; New Nominations on: July 20, 2016, 02:43:56 pm
Oh yes, because a fine of $50,000,00 per day is soooooooo realistic.

If you are going to craft a fantasyland completely one sided bill, at least make it semi believable.

And your part about denying parental permission for what happens to their own minor children is so progressive.

Why don't you simply deny parents any and all authority over their minor children and take minors out of their homes and away from their parents and indoctrinate them with your preferred way of anything goes LGBTQ philosophy?

Clearly, the authors of this bill are pimply faced 14 year olds with absolutely no clue about parental/child relationships.  Why don't you just impose a fine of $100,000.00 per day for parents who want the right to care themselves for their minor children?

Now, your definition of marriage is a reeeeeeeeeeal gem.

"Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two consenting persons to the exclusion of all others."

Which of you geniuses thought this up?  You have just opened the door to some 50 year old pervert to marry a six year old child.

Yup, that's quite the forward looking bill you have there.


    

25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump offered to basically make Kasich president, Trump lead cheerleader on: July 20, 2016, 12:10:29 pm
That report is absolutely ridiculous, besides being a joke.

For one thing, it is unconstitutional.

Surely even Trump and his campaign have a better understanding of the constitution than that.

And since when would Trump ever give up any power or control over anything?

During the 1980 GOP convention some of Reagan's came up with an idea of having Ford be Reagan's running mate.  The Ford camp seem to be willing to come abroad if Ford is made basically a co-president with Reagan in an event of an election victory.  After some talks between the two camps the idea broke down and Reagan picked Bush the Elder.

So this idea, while it seems impossible for Trump to come up with, is not completely absurd.

Yes I know.  But there is no such thing as a co-presidency in the U.S. and would be unconstitutional.  That's why the talks between Reagan and Ford broke down. 

And Ford got greedy.
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