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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT) on: Today at 12:31:25 pm

I have stated reasons previously.

We have spent enough time on this issue.

As far as I'm concerned, this issue has already been settled, and secession has been banned in the new constitution.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: The Office of Presiding Officer Cris on: Today at 12:18:26 pm
This Con Con is under great management with two of the most knowledgeable and dedicated members of the Con Con as well two of the strongest and most informed proponents of a united and strong Atlasia. 
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: America's Greatness And The Rise Of The Romney Dynasty on: Today at 11:35:11 am
The Oval Office the day after the State of the Union address

President Romney and Secretary of State Rockefeller are talking casually.

Rocky:  Great speech last night George.  I believe the American people were inspired by it. 

It has been a great honor and privilege for me to serve in your administration these past seven years, in Defense and now at State.  The only job I've wanted more than these is yours George.

(both laugh)

As you know, I tried in 1960 and 1964.  Didn't quite make it to the nomination.  I backed you in 1968 George because I could see  you were the man for the job.  And let me tell you George, I never regretted backing you.

But for me, I think my time has passed for realizing my life long dream.

George:  Thank you so much Rocky.  Your support in '68 was invaluable to me.  I will always be grateful to you.

But don't sell yourself short Rocky.  This is still January of 1976.  It's not too late for you.  Rocky. My approval ratings are standing at around 90%.  I am willing, for you Rocky, to throw my support behind you for the nomination. 

Rocky:  George, I can't ask you to do that.  It is highly unusual for a sitting President to endorse a candidate for President before the nomination has been settled. 

George:  You're not asking me Rocky.  I'm offering.

(both laugh)

You know, TR,  whom I greatly admire, and in some respects have tried to emulate, endorsed Taft in 1912.  That resulted in Taft going on to win the Presidency.

Rocky:  Good point.  But George, what about Ed?  Serving eight years as your faithful VP, surely he deserves your backing.

George:  Rocky, Ed has been the best Vice President any President could ever hope for.  But Ed and I have talked, and we both realize that America is not ready for a black President at this time.  Someday, perhaps 32 years from now, but not now.  I can see a young, dynamic, gifted, ivy league educated, perhaps a Senator from the Midwest, becoming America's first black President.  And he will be a Democrat. 

Besides, Ed wants to get back into the United States Senate.  As you know, Ed had only been a Senator for about a year and a half when I tapped him for the Vice Presidency.  He wants to get back into the Senate to finish the job he started in 1967.                 

Rocky, you have served faithfully and extremely competently in two of the most senior government jobs in the nation, Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State.  My administration could not have accomplished what we did accomplish on the world stage without your help.  You have also been a dynamic and well accomplished Governor of New York.  That is one of the toughest jobs in American politics today. 

Rocky, you are ready to become President.  And you have my full support and backing.

Rocky:  Thank you so much George.  That means the world to me.  I will announce my candidacy for the nomination in two weeks.

George:  Rocky, if I may make a recommendation.  Knowing the political landscape of this nation as well as anyone, I strongly recommend you reach out to Ron Reagan and try to get him to accept the Vice Presidential nomination.  I think, given the various states primaries and caucuses coming up, that you will have the numbers to win the nomination, but Ron will be an extremely formidable candidate for the nomination. 

Rocky:  Ron is at the top of my list. 

George:  Frankly, Rocky, I think you will need him on the ticket to win the election.     

Rocky:  As always George, your insight is uncanny.

George:  Thanks Rocky.  I will publicly endorse you a couple of weeks after you announce your candidacy.
4  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Conservative Party Convention, October 2015 on: Today at 09:24:47 am
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT) on: October 12, 2015, 06:31:20 pm
I can see secession if you are living under a tyrannical central government, who is imposing their will on a region, and forcing you to live in fear, i.e. Russia/Ukraine.

But in a democracy with all the rights enjoyed by Atlasians, giving unquestioned authority to a group of malcontents to secede is ridiculous.

We have passed an amendment banning secession.

Time to move on.   

6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: America's Greatness And The Rise Of The Romney Dynasty on: October 12, 2015, 12:15:45 pm
The State Of The Union January 19, 1976

Ladies and gentlemen, the Supreme Court of the United states. (standing ovation)

Ladies and gentlemen, the cabinet of the United States. (standing ovation)

Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United states.

President Romney enters the House of Representatives chamber to a rousing, standing ovation, shaking hands along the way.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Vice President, members of the United States Congress, my fellow Americans, thank you.

I am honored to be here tonight, on this the occasion of my last State of the Union address.

I am pleased to report that the state of the union is strong, healthy, and free.

(standing ovation)

Let me say at the outset, that I have never regretted my decision in 1969 to end America's involvement in Vietnam, saving the lives of countless thousands or our young soldiers, and bringing home the prisoners of war from Vietnam.

(standing ovation)

Our people know they have the best social and health care programs in the world, programs that work without bankrupting the treasury.  We have shown that as  nation, we were able to work together to institute programs for our people that are second to none.

I wish to acknowledge the invaluable contributions of Secretary Smith in spearheading these historic reforms.

I am pleased that I have had the privilege of presiding over these fundamental changes and improvements to our social systems.

(standing ovation)

I am pleased to report tonight that America's environment, our air, our water, are well on the way to being cleaned up, and leaving a legacy of environmental standards for future generations.

I wish to acknowledge the invaluable contribution of Secretary Crane in spearheading this historic undertaking.

I am pleased that I have had the privilege of presiding over these environmental changes.

(standing ovation)

I am pleased to report tonight that the people's of the former Soviet Satellite States of Eastern Europe are free.

East Germany, now reunited with West Germany, free.  Poland free.  Czechoslovakia free.  Hungary free.  Romania free.  Bulgaria free.

I am pleased that I had the privilege of spearheading this historic movement.    

(standing ovation)

I am pleased to report tonight that the people's of the former Soviet Republics comprising the Soviet Union are free.

Ukraine free.  Byelorussia free.  Uzbekistan free.  Kazakhstan free.  Georgia free.  Azerbaijan free.  Lithuania free.  Moldavia free.  Latvia free. Kirghizstan free.  Tajikistan free.  Armenia free.  Turkmenistan free.  Estonia free.

I am pleased that I have had the privilege of leading this historic movement.

(standing ovation)

We have opened up full diplomatic and economic relations with the People's Republic of China.  This will further expand the American economy, resulting in more jobs and more opportunities for our people.

The People's Republic of China is emerging as a world economic super power, one which we cannot ignore.

I wish to acknowledge the invaluable contributions of Secretary Rockefeller and National Security Advisor Kissinger in laying the groundwork for my visits with the Chinese leadership.  

Ladies and gentlemen, my fellow Americans, thank you, good night, God bless America.

(raucous standing ovation)

7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: America's Greatness And The Rise Of The Romney Dynasty on: October 11, 2015, 05:53:33 pm
President Romney calls the Kremlin.

Romney:  Leo, George here.  I'm sure you saw my UN speech.

Brezhnev:  Yes, you capitalist war monger dog.  How dare you threaten the Soviet State?

R:  Leo, I think we should discuss this in a civilized manner.  I'm  sure that we can come to an acceptable agreement.

B:  What?  You tell the world you will bring the Soviet State to its knees with military threats and sanctions, and expect me to discuss this with you in a civilized manner?  You think you can get away with this?  The Soviet Union will not stand for this.

R:  Leo, I don't need to remind you that the Soviet Union is no longer the Soviet Union it once was.  Your former Satellite States in Eastern Europe are now free and independent, and are now members of NATO.

The other Republics of the Soviet Union are in open revolt.  Millions have taken to the streets.  Much of the military have sided with the rebellions.

The Soviet Union of the 40s and 50s is collapsing around you.  Times are changing and historic events are moving quickly.

I have signed agreements with the People's Republic of China on open diplomatic relations and trade.  Your most important ally sees the advantages to them of an economic relationship with the United States.  China and the United States have much to gain from these agreements.  China now has a new perspective on the economic front, and is no longer so tied to the Soviet Union.

You would be wise to accept my terms.

B:  And just what are your terms, decadent western capitalist?

R:  Quite simple really.  The Soviet military will not interfere in the independence movements.  The Western World is prepared to impose crippling actions against Russia if there is a violation of this requirement.  In return, contrary to imposing crippling economic sanctions against Russia, the West is prepared to enter into an expanded economic relationship with Russia as well as with the Soviet Republics now demanding freedom.   

I have spoken with Mao and Chou.  They want access to American markets, and they have agreed not to interfere economically on your behalf. 

These Soviet Republics as well will be joining NATO.

B:  I'll instruct the Politburo to cooperate.

R:  Thanks Leo.  I'm sure we'll be talking again soon.

The Oval Office after the conversation with Brezhnev

Rocky:  You think he'll do what he says with the Politburo?

Romney:  Oh, I'm sure Rocky, I'm sure.

One thing I didn't tell him, that we had the CIA scattered across the area for the past six months, planting seeds of dissension.  Thanks for the idea Rocky.

Rocky:  My pleasure George, my pleasure.  It's about time those Russians got a taste of their own medicine.

George and Rocky:  HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA     
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Wiping all current laws on: October 11, 2015, 04:09:51 pm
Obviously we should keep some laws (for example, laws against murder, rape, and robbery), but other than that, I support a clean slate.

These laws can be passed in the new Atlasia.

If we started trying to pick  what stays and what goes we would have a group who thinks a certain law should stay and another group who thinks that same law should go.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Wiping all current laws on: October 11, 2015, 04:06:38 pm
Quote from: Thomas Jefferson
I am increasingly persuaded that the earth belongs exclusively to the living and that one generation has no more right to bind another to it's laws and judgments than one independent nation has the right to command another.

I recently remembered this quote by Jefferson, and it reminded me of an idea of his that, while unworkable in the real world, might just be a good mechanism to have in Atlasia: the automatic reboot. In other words, we state in the Constitution that after a given period of time (say, three or four years), all federal and Regional laws currently on the books become null and void, allowing the new generation of players to start afresh. Thoughts?

This is one school of thought certainly worthy of consideration.

I bring up this matter because during the many times I have been elected to the Northeast Assembly, once a particular coalition got their hands on the levers of power, they abused this power and betrayed the region with legislation such as:

Passing a law that a certain filthy, vile, disgusting, obscene song sung by a filthy, vile, disgusting, obscene band, must be played over and over and over again every day to 5 and 6 year olds, and that anybody, parents, teachers, who opposed this filth would be subject to 10 years in prison and a $100,000.00 fine, or whatever.

Can you imagine a responsible Assembly actually passing such a travesty?

I was finally able to get a new Assembly to join me and repealing this atrocity.

But my point is, why should this stupidity and ignorance even be allowed to make it to the bill and debate stage?

The new constitution HAS to have a clause banning this type of behavior, surely.    
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Cris/Homelycooking - Believe in Atlasia (VP announcement) on: October 11, 2015, 03:43:32 pm
This is a great ticket!
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: I'm Back Baby: Running for Governor on: October 11, 2015, 03:28:48 pm
Backing Blair.

12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Wiping all current laws on: October 10, 2015, 04:40:06 pm
I as well, like Morikai, have fears that legislators may rush to bring back in some of the idiotic, ridiculous, disgusting, revolting, stupid legislation from the old Atlasia,

Hopefully they would have more sense than that, but you never know.

That is why I said before it would be good if we had some way of constitutionally preventing trivial junk from being introduced into the federal or regional legislatures.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: America's Greatness And The Rise Of The Romney Dynasty on: October 10, 2015, 02:06:38 pm
The Oval Office

President Romney meets with Vice President Brooke, Secretary of State Rockefeller, Secretary of Defense  McIntyre, National Security Advisor Kissinger, Chief of Staff Case, and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency William  Colby.

President:  Gentlemen, thank you for joining me here today.

As each of you are aware, at my instigation, we have had CIA operatives on the ground for several months now in each of the Soviet republics, except for Russia of course.  This has been a highly guarded, top security matter just between those in this room, select department officials, select CIA officials, and the operatives, as each of you are or will be key players in the drama that is, I hope, about to unfold.

You in this room are my most trusted advisors and associates.  

As you know, we have been receiving reports that there has recently, following the uprisings in Eastern Europe, unrest in many of the republics comprising the Soviet Union.

Gentlemen, I believe very firmly, that in the not too distant future, as I have said before, that the Soviet Union will collapse under its own weight.  The people of many of the associated republics are clamoring for their freedom and for the right to determine their own destiny, the same as the former Soviet satellite states in Eastern Europe have done.

I have asked Director Colby here today to give us his insight as to the current situation within the Soviet republics.    

Bill, can you update us on the latest developments?

Colby:  Thank you Mr. President.

We have, of course, been monitoring the situation in these areas extremely closely and have been analyzing the feedback from our operatives on the ground.  We in the CIA believe that these republics simply need to know that they will have the backing of the world community, at least the democratic world community, in their determination for independence.  

President:  Thanks Bill.  

I have been invited to address the United Nations General Assembly one week from today, and I intend to use that opportunity to unite all those nations who believe in freedom and democracy and who believe in the right of self determination to form a united front in support of the struggle of the people of the Soviet republics, to have the freedom to determine their own destinies.


One week later, the United Nations General Assembly

Secretary General of the United Nations:  Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States, George Romney.

(Heavy applause from the free nations representatives.  Polite applause from the non democratic nations representatives)

President:  I would like to thank the United Nations for extending to me this tremendous opportunity to address this world community, and indeed, to address the people of the world, as I understand this speech is being broadcast throughout most of the world.

The major driving force throughout my Presidency has been that of freedom and opportunity.  The freedom of the people's of the world, wherever they may reside, and the opportunity for the people's of the world to have the right to determine their own destinies.

I have been praised in some quarters of the world as a fighter for freedom, and I have been vilified in other quarters of the world as a war monger who wants to destabilize the existing order of things.

Let me be clear, if my actions and those of my allies have destabilized tyranny and oppression in any part of the world, then I make no apologies.

(standing ovation and loud applause from the delegates of free nations)

(voice rising)

As I speak, the flames of freedom are sweeping across the various republics of the Soviet Union.  People by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions, are taking to the streets to demand freedom from a central authority in Moscow, to demand the right of self determination, to demand the right to economic freedom and opportunity, to demand the right to live under a government that recognizes their right to choose who governs them, in free and democratic elections, who demand the right that they do not have to fear from the secret police knocking on their door one day, to send them to the far reaches of Siberia because they want a better future.  

(voice normal)

Let me be blunt.  Any moves by the central authority in Moscow to brutally clamp down on the freedom movement in the Soviet republics will be met with swift and harsh retaliation.

The most powerful free nations in the world are ready, at a moments notice, to come to the support and aid of those clamoring for freedom.  The free nations of the world are ready, at a moments notice, to impose strict, severe, and devastating economic sanctions on the central authority in Moscow, sanctions, that will devastate the Russian economy.

The United States and our allies want peace, but enslaved peoples want freedom, and we are prepared to do all in our power to aid in this effort.

History will not stand still and accept the old order.  History moves on, and old, dictatorial systems will fall by the wayside, and will be replaced by the bright sunlight of freedom.

Thank you my friends, and may we move forward to a bright new world of freedom and hope.

(loud and enthusiastic applause, standing ovation from the free world nations, the nations of dictatorships remain sitting)


And so the stage is set for the most potentially explosive world situation since 1939
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (VOTING ON AMENDMENT) on: October 10, 2015, 12:15:04 pm
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Wiping all current laws on: October 10, 2015, 12:13:15 pm
I am completely in agreement with doing away with all existing laws passed under the current Atlasia and associated regions.

The NEW ATLASIA should reflect the new generation of players, and it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to accomplish this with the NEW ATLASIA and the NEW REGIONS being encumbered with years of past legislation.

And I say this in full knowledge of the fact that there is even a Northeast law on the books called The Winfield Doctrine, which would as well fall under this proposal.  Smiley

And nobody is going to want to go through legislation from the past and separate the sensible from the ridiculous, and this would be open for argument which legislation falls into which category.  Bedsides, some power obsessed Governor could simply veto the repeals anyway. 

I say let a NEW ATLASIA start from the beginning with a fresh mandate.  Let a NEW ATLASIA set the tone and have NEW debates for the future, not the past.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: America's Greatness And The Rise Of The Romney Dynasty on: October 09, 2015, 02:36:20 pm
President Romney takes steps to clean up the environment

Ladies and gentlemen of the press, thank you for joining us here today.

I am pleased to announce that my administration has taken to establish a new government, cabinet level department, The Department of the Environment.

I am as well pleased to announce that I will be nominating Representative Phil crane of the great state of Illinois to become the first Secretary of the Environment.  Congressman Crane is a man of considerable accomplishment, and is a man of tremendous ability.  He is an exemplary public servant.

He was educated at Hillsdale College, the University of Vienna, and Indiana University, where he received a PhD in history.  He served in the United States Army. He also attended DePauw University and the University of Michigan.

He was a faculty member at Indiana University and at Bradley University in Peoria.

This administration will be taking bold steps to clean up our environment and leave a legacy of clean air and clean water and a clean environment for generations yet to come.    

Representative Crane.

Secretary Designate Crane:  Thank you so much Mr. President for your very kind words.  I am honored that President Romney has asked me to become the first Secretary of the Environment.

I, as does the President, believe that we absolutely must take steps to ensure a clean environment for the future.  

The Department of the Environment has been created for the purpose of protecting human health and the environment.

The department will be conducting environmental assessment, research, and education. It will have the responsibility of maintaining and enforcing national standards under a variety of environmental laws, in consultation with state, tribal, and local governments. The department will be working with industries and all levels of government in a wide variety of pollution prevention programs and energy conservation efforts.

We will be addressing the issues of acid rain, ozone depletion, and toxic air pollution, establishing a national permits program for stationary sources, and increased enforcement authority. There will be new auto gasoline reformulation requirements, set Reid vapor pressure standards to control evaporative emissions from gasoline, and we will mandate new gasoline formulations.

We will be enacting legislation governing water pollution. Its objective will be to restore and maintain the chemical, physical, and biological integrity of the nation's waters by preventing point and nonpoint pollution sources, providing assistance to publicly owned treatment works for the improvement of wastewater treatment, and maintaining the integrity of wetlands.

These are but a few of the steps this administration, and I as Secretary of the Environment, will be taking to address the environmental issues facing this nation today.

The Romney administration and I as Secretary take our environmental future seriously.  As the President has said, it is up to us to leave a clean environment for future generations.

President:  Thank you very much Congressman, or should I say Secretary?  (laughs all around)
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2015 Special Senate Election on: October 09, 2015, 11:29:39 am
1.  Pikachu
2.  Talleyrand
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Structure and size of Senate. on: October 09, 2015, 10:35:37 am
In my view, a bicameral legislature is not practical for Atlasia at this time.

I do not believe we should be adding another layer of government to consider and debate legislation, unless increased activity warrants such a move.

If we do go to three regions, then we should have a Senate of nine, in order to have three Senators per region.  

I realize there may be some who would prefer two Senators per region, for a Senate of six.

Both of these options should be considered.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments on: October 08, 2015, 09:58:50 pm
I like the map from the standpoint of having three regions that make sense geographically.

The populations in the regions can be adapted to.
20  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Conservative Party Convention, October 2015 on: October 08, 2015, 07:33:11 pm
Alright folks, I think our first order of business should be to formally elect a Chair. I will be nominating Simfan.

I: The Party Executive

The Party executive will consist of two members - the Chair and Vice Chair of the Conservative Party. The role of the executive is to draw up the party list, in consultation with the Leader, and to manage the organisation of the party on a day-to-day basis, as well as to oversee leadership elections.

The Party executive will be elected once every three months using the alternative vote system. Should there be only one candidate per position then no election will be held and the candidates will be declared elected.

Unless there's significant desire for the position, I'd also suggest that we remove the position of Vice Chair from the by-laws.

All the above fine with me.

I will second the nomination of Simfan.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Proposals Thread on: October 08, 2015, 07:19:53 pm
I'd like to have a thread on a "blank slate" clause that would wipe out all current legislation - the fabled legislative reboot.
What do you mean?
Are you referring to the legislative system (the Senate, its composition)?

No. We wipe all laws passed from the books.
So regional laws also?

If we are going to do this, I believe it would be a good idea to have both federal and regional laws wiped off the books, since there are so many stupid laws now on the books.

There are as well, of course, some very good laws, but some really stupid, stupid ones as well.

With a clean slate, that would enable the federal and regional governments to begin afresh with laws for the good of the people of the nation. 

Along this line, I would like to see, if possible, a law on the books banning stupid, ridiculous, trivial laws from being introduced or passed.   
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments on: October 08, 2015, 04:39:55 pm
Section 2: Regional Boundaries
6. Regions, states or groups cannot secede from Atlasia or any of its territories.
This is an Admendment.

I support this amendment, perhaps re-worded

6.  Regions, states, or groups shall not have the right to secede from Atlasia or any of its territories.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Proposals Thread on: October 08, 2015, 04:00:24 pm
I wish to propose a thread wherein it is confirmed that Atlasia has a clear separation of church and state.

The purpose of this would be to ensure that religious beliefs are protected under the constitution. 
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Diplomatic relationship with other political simulations. on: October 08, 2015, 03:55:14 pm
If other political simulations exist, such as they do with South America, then diplomatic relations would be a good idea.

If there is a game moderator involved, their actions would have to be the bounds of proper diplomatic relations, and not actions off the wall.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Number of Regions/Regional Governments on: October 08, 2015, 03:51:42 pm
I believe there should be three regions in Atlasia.

We definitely have to get away from having five regions.  Even four regions would be too many.
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