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26  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should the military overthrow Donald Trump if he becomes tyrannical? on: December 03, 2016, 12:17:23 am
In the event a President should be removed from office, there is a process for that.

It is called

impeachment

and is dealt with by the House of Representatives and the Senate.

Your obsession with the military taking over is something from a fiction movie.
27  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Allies Plot Anti-Trump Insurgency on: December 02, 2016, 11:47:22 pm
Even at this very hour, President Elect Donald Trump and his advisers are in the Trump Tower, shaking in their shoes, as this band of Keystone Cops prepares to unleash its' fury and wrath against the United States government and against the people of the United States.

BRING          IT          ON!
28  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was this the most significant election of recent times? on: December 02, 2016, 09:48:22 pm
Indeed it is.

This could very well be the beginning of a new Republican fascist alignment and resurgence.

It will depend on how the first Trump goes.

If he delivers on jobs, this will be very positive for the Republican future.

FTFY

Here I am, trying to be nice, but what does a red avatar do, throw around insults.

But if you want me to take the gloves off, I am capable of that too.

All you've done is insult people for the last month. You have no concept of "nice".

Obviously you don't.

Your fellow anti Trumpites have been throwing around terms like fascist and racist for the last month to anyone who didn't support Clinton.

And you're talking about nice? 

Get a grip on reality man.
29  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jill Stein recount requests on: December 02, 2016, 09:41:22 pm
Does anyone even realize that it is virtually impossible to change a vote result in a recount from one candidate to another if the margin is 500 votes or more?

It will shift some votes here, some votes there, but really make no difference.
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who Really Won the Election? on: December 02, 2016, 09:25:25 pm
Trump won unless proven otherwise. I know why he won, I don't blame anyone for voting for him. Time to move on and get ready for the NJ governor's race.

Finally, a Democrat who recognizes that Trump won, and who realizes it is time to move on.
31  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who Really Won the Election? on: December 02, 2016, 09:20:06 pm
Well, looking at a raw vote comparison of the two leading presidential candidates, it appears that Hillary Clinton has a full 4% more votes nation-wide than Donald Trump at this time.  So who should be considered president-elect? 

According to a reliable source, this forum, Clinton's lead in the PV over Trump is at this time 1.89%.
32  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Thomas E Clintnon on: December 02, 2016, 09:06:05 pm
Hillarious and original!

Thank you.

I couldn't resist the comparison.

he was being facetious, friend

Yes, thank you.

He said it was hilarious and original, so I prefer to be positive.  There is far too much negativity on this thread already.

And I still think it is hilarious and original in spite of whoever says what.
33  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who Really Won the Election? on: December 02, 2016, 08:57:24 pm
Under the system we have for electing presidents, Trump won. The popular vote and other factors can be discussed in terms of their relation to mandates and strength of victories, but the only thing that matters for who won is the electoral collage, which Trump won legitimately.
except he didn't win wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania or florida, and probably others

OK, you made the accusation that Trump did not win WI, MI, PA, FL.

Now prove it.
34  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who Really Won the Election? on: December 02, 2016, 08:47:02 pm
Well, looking at a raw vote comparison of the two leading presidential candidates, it appears that Hillary Clinton has a full 4% more votes nation-wide than Donald Trump at this time.  So who should be considered president-elect? 

Uh, now let me see

Who is President Elect?  Who will be sworn in as President in January?
Who is Vice President Elect? Who will be sworn in as Vice President in January?
Who controls the U.S. Senate?
Who controls the U.S. House of Representatives?
Who controls appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court that will last for a generation?

I thought so.

Get the picture?  Is it clear now?  Any questions?

We won.

You lost.

Get over it.
35  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Florida on: December 02, 2016, 05:05:10 pm
Rubio's coattails.

Plus the Democrats ran a cold, calculating, crooked candidate who believed she was entitled to the Presidency, and who did not understand Americans wanted real answers, real solutions, and not lip service. 
36  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 15 Republican electors might not vote Trump?? on: December 02, 2016, 04:18:46 pm
Yay. Listen to the will of the people misleading liberal narrative and vote for the person fit to be POTUS who lost(Hillary)

Enjoy your disaster of a President, you dumb racist.

Hillary lost because she failed to see the plight of the hard working, honest, every day American, who just want the dignity, respect, and stability of having a good job.  Hillary felt a sense of entitlement.

Donald Trump knew that jobs is a top priority.

We support Trump because he can see the plight of millions of Americans, whereas, Hillary and the Democrats simply took it for granted that they would continue to have the unquestioned support of working class Americans.

Trump addressed the issues important to working class Americans, Hillary did not.  She didn't even step foot in Wisconsin since the convention.

All the Democrats on this forum seem to be able to do is to cry racist, instead of having the guts to publicly state that Trump addressed the issues important to Americans, and that's why he won the election.

Racism is a smoke screen by the Democrats to cover up the fact that they failed miserably in standing up for the honest, hard working, tax paying, every day Americans who make this country work.

Following is your very ignorant and accusatory remark.  This is a personal attack, and you should be held responsible for it by the moderators on this forum.

Quote from Pericles:

Enjoy your disaster of a President, you dumb racist.

There is no place on this forum for members calling other members dumb racists.
37  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was this the most significant election of recent times? on: December 02, 2016, 01:28:18 pm
I did state that it depends on how the first Trump term goes.

But I do believe the Republicans, as a result of 2016, have the possibility to expand their support into the upper Midwest, appealing to working class people who care about jobs more than they do about ideology. 
38  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was this the most significant election of recent times? on: December 02, 2016, 01:04:52 pm
Indeed it is.

This could very well be the beginning of a new Republican fascist alignment and resurgence.

It will depend on how the first Trump goes.

If he delivers on jobs, this will be very positive for the Republican future.

FTFY

Here I am, trying to be nice, but what does a red avatar do, throw around insults.

But if you want me to take the gloves off, I am capable of that too.
39  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was this the most significant election of recent times? on: December 02, 2016, 12:16:58 pm
Indeed it is.

This could very well be the beginning of a new Republican alignment and resurgence.

It will depend on how the first Trump term goes.

If he delivers on jobs, this will be very positive for the Republican future.
40  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Did Trump outwork Hillary? on: December 02, 2016, 12:08:55 pm
Trump did have a more ambitious schedule than did Hillary, although, both of them worked very hard.

Running for President is a physically, emotionally, and demanding role.

I think in the eyes of the public that Trump is at least perceived to have worked harder than Hillary.

But like I say, both of them worked extremely hard.
41  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Thomas E Clintnon on: December 02, 2016, 01:01:50 am
Hillarious and original!

Thank you.

I couldn't resist the comparison.
42  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Thomas E Clintnon on: December 01, 2016, 10:21:58 pm
What is up with you, Winfield? Your posts went from incredibly substantive, to menial (post-primaries), to absolute trash (now). Even the Swedish squid made better posts. How disappointing. You're just trolling at this point.

Hey, I have to stand up to all the red avatar bullies around here.
43  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll for Republicans: Should Republicans be gloating? on: December 01, 2016, 10:15:33 pm
This is lame and making Republicans sound like "sore winners."  

I think you should be happy that you won as an underdog.  But gloating a month later over what doesn't appear to be a mandate at all...

I would keep in mind that 2.5 million+ more people voted for the other side.  To put that in perspective, that's like the entire vote total from Washington DC x 9.  All voting residents of 9 major cities all voting against your candidate.  That was Clinton's margin.

Or basically the entire Trump vote of Montana (280K), Idaho (409K), North Dakota (217K), South Dakota (228K), Wyoming (175K), West Virginia (489K), Utah (515K) and possibly Nebraska (495K).

The fact of the matter is that the GOP has a natural advantage at all levels of government because of how their vote is distributed widely across rural and exurban areas and states.  

My prediction.. this disparity will continue to grow as the country slowly but surely urbanizes.  I could definitely envision future elections where democrats win by 5-10 million votes and still just barely lose the electoral college.  The more Republicans gloat, the more the plurality of the population that isn't that into the GOP will take notice of this.  When the pendulum swings back to Democrats they will probably take measures that will ensure this kind of disparity doesn't continue... such as redistricting, giving DC voting rights, etc. etc.  So rather than gloating, I'd just be happy that your candidate won despite losing the popular vote by a firm amount.

On quit trying to make like the popular vote margin is so detailed and complicated.

We all know Hillary won the popular vote only due to her lopsided margin in California on the Left Coast.  
44  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll for Republicans: Should Republicans be gloating? on: December 01, 2016, 10:11:51 pm
They should gloat a little bit.

I'll gloat just to the point of reminding how smug so many of the red avatars were.  How some of them were personally nasty and tried to run me off, along with some other folks.  How they didn't think about the fact that there's a reason folks go out and "play the game", whether it be football or elections.

I'm happy that some folks here were gravely disappointed.  Some were snotty and nasty on a personal level.  And the folks that called me racist, sexist, etc., well, I'll gloat over the fact that you folks are gravely disappointed.  Such behavior was, and is, uncalled for, and while many of the folks who have called me (and others who supported Trump on this forum) racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. simply because of our Presidential choice lack the humility to examine themselves and apologize for that, the simple fact that their angst will rise every time they hear "President Trump" on TV or radio will be a source of satisfaction for me.  "The Lord delights in just verdicts."  Perhaps their angst is my just verdict in the face of unwarranted personal attacks.  (I'll still think this even if Trump goes South and I end up disapproving of him.)

But, no, I won't rub folks' face in it.  Hillary won the popular vote, and there is something to be said for that.  Trump lost the popular vote because he took "Being Trump" to the extreme, but he might not have won the electoral vote if he hadn't.  The GOP took both Houses of Congress, but they lost seats in each, and they lost the Nevada Legislature (both houses), so the election had something for everyone.  

As time goes by, I think that Trump, and only Trump, could have beaten Hillary Clinton.  I believe that had one of the Plaid Brothers (Kasich, Rubio, even Cruz) had run, they well may have won the popular vote, but lost the Electoral Vote.  They would have run up margins in Republican states, but they wouldn't have expanded the map as Trump did.  Trump "traded" extra voters in GA, TX, and AZ for voters in MI, WI, and PA.  His allocation of support was far more efficient than Clinton's, and I attribute this to far shrewder campaign strategy and political insight.

Trump winning doesn't change the fact that you are a repugnant individual who had no problem voting for a literal sexual predator.

Of course you would resort to personal insults.

What else would one expect from you, being such a big time loser.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Trump be a better President than Obama? on: December 01, 2016, 10:00:36 pm
Yes, obviously.
46  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Place for Trump voters to repent on: December 01, 2016, 09:58:39 pm

No.

This is one of the stupidest threads I have ever seen.



You'll need it when you see the error of your ways.

You lost.

Get over it.

Trump supporters sure are sore losers


Who has the Presidency?
Who has the Vice Presidency?
Who has the U.S. Senate?
Who has the U.S. House of Representatives?

Who has appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court?

I thought so.
47  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Place for Trump voters to repent on: December 01, 2016, 08:44:50 pm

No.

This is one of the stupidest threads I have ever seen.



You'll need it when you see the error of your ways.

You lost.

Get over it.
48  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Place for Trump voters to repent on: December 01, 2016, 08:43:59 pm
This thread is based on the premise that the majority of Trump's voters voted for him because of his faults while most people voted for him in spite of his faults.

You voted for a rapist. Own it.

You lost.

Get over it.
49  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 15 Republican electors might not vote Trump?? on: December 01, 2016, 08:37:18 pm
L O L
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll for Republicans: Should Republicans be gloating? on: December 01, 2016, 08:32:37 pm
what y'alls're gloating about is the destruction and/or end of countless actual lives. friendly reminder.
We don't care. It's us or them, and we're putting America first for once.


I'm glad the Blue Avatars are letting the white nationalist honest, every day, hard working, tax paying, people who love America speak for them.

Corrected.
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