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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Lincoln Voting Booth: August 2017 on: August 18, 2017, 08:08:30 pm
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77  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Albert Speer know about the Holocaust on: August 12, 2017, 10:20:04 am
We will agree to disagree.
78  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Albert Speer know about the Holocaust on: August 10, 2017, 09:57:36 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/feb/17/johnezard

A quote from the article

The Guardian February 17, 2001

Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps

Details of deaths of Jews and other groups in concentration camps were well publicized

The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, according to a new research study. They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatized as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand.

They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters according to the study, which is due to be published simultaneously in Britain and the US early next month and which was described as ground-breaking by Oxford University Press yesterday and already hailed by other historians.

The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews, says Robert Gellately. His book, Backing Hitler, is based on the first systematic analysis by a historian of surviving German newspaper and magazine archives since 1933, the year Hitler became chancellor. The survey took hundreds of hours and yielded dozens of folders of photocopies, many of them from the 24 main newspapers and magazines of the period.


Millions of Germans knew the situation with the Jews.  Obviously, I am not saying all Germans knew, but millions did know the facts about the holocaust.

Quit trying to defend the German populace that did know.

79  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Albert Speer know about the Holocaust on: August 09, 2017, 10:48:30 pm
No matter how  anyone tries to spin it, there were millions upon millions of the German people  who voted for Hitler and the Nazis, in various elections, paving his path to dictatorship.

These people also knew that Hitler and the Nazis advocated the elimination of the Jews.

 
80  General Discussion / History / Who is the most anonymous President of the United States? on: August 09, 2017, 03:34:06 pm
Who is the most anonymous, or least known, or least remembered, President of the United States?

Please discuss.
81  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Albert Speer know about the Holocaust on: August 09, 2017, 03:16:45 pm
Kalwejt, my friend, please quit making excuses for the German people, and for their complicity and culpability in the holocaust.

You basically keep saying millions of Germans were almost active participants in the Holocaust from before day one. Sorry, but this just doesn't compute.

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It was the German people who elected Hitler. 

Hitler was not "elected", he was being let to power via back doors, as instigated by idiots like von Papen, who thought they can control and contain him. Yes, the Nazis had sizeable public support, but not enough to win all. And still, Hitler would never be able to seize total power if not for von Papen's coup in Prussia back in 1932.

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It was the German people who knew at least as early as 1933, that Hitler wanted nothing less than the elimination and destruction of Jewry. 

Many people did not take seriously Hitler's ramblings in "Mein Kampf" way until it was too late. And while I can totally believe Hitler always wanted to exterminate the Jews, "forced immigration" was long an official policy. Whether it was considered a temporary step to hide true intent or not, it's absurd to assume millions of Germans back in, let's sat 1937, were completely aware of what would eventually come.

In the 1932 German Presidential elections, enough Germans voted for Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP), for President, to give him enough influence and power in order that Hindenburg was  forced to appoint Hitler as Chancellor in January 1933. 

Two successive federal elections left the Nazis as the largest party in the Reichstag.  This was because of the votes cast by the German people.  Therefore, it was the votes of the German people made the Nazi Party the largest party in the Reichstag.

These votes cast by a significant part of the German people were, in point of fact, what led to Hitler becoming Chancellor, and dictator of Germany.

Millions upon millions of German people knew what Hitler stood for, including his vow to eliminate Jews, and yet they voted for Hitler anyway.

So yes, millions upon millions of Germans were complicit in Hitler's mad plans.
82  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Albert Speer know about the Holocaust on: August 08, 2017, 10:22:05 pm
Kalwejt, my friend, please quit making excuses for the German people, and for their complicity and culpability in the holocaust.

It was the German people who elected Hitler. 

It was the German people who knew at least as early as 1933, that Hitler wanted nothing less than the elimination and destruction of Jewry. 

83  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: North Korea Mega Thread on: August 08, 2017, 09:39:18 pm
The world finds itself in this precarious situation thanks to eight years of inactivity and wimping out by Obama.  
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Any chance Gore may run? on: August 05, 2017, 08:37:18 pm
No.

Gore is the Democratic personification of the past.

The Democrats will want to be running a candidate of the new generation and of the future, not someone who evokes visions of twenty years ago.
85  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Jeb ever be president? on: August 05, 2017, 08:21:44 pm
George P in next in line.
Yeah he's definitely being groomed.

Serious question Sanchez. In your opinion do you think George p has been seriously hurt due to the failure of his dad's presidential Administration and his uncles pathetic presidential bid? I realize people said the same thing about George W after his dad was thrown out of office by a pathetic margin, but still

For the record, George P Bush is the son of Jeb Bush and the nephew of George W Bush.

So it was his uncle, George W Bush, not his father, who had the failed Presidential administration, as you call it, and it was his father, Jeb Bush, not his uncle, who had the pathetic Presidential bid, as you call it.  

As to whether Jeb Bush will ever be President, chances are somewhere between next to none and none, translation, no chance.

86  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 05, 2017, 02:43:34 pm
OK, I can't deny it any longer.

One of my favorites.

Senator Richard M Nixon of California.

There, I said it.
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite current United States Senator? on: August 05, 2017, 02:33:05 pm
Susan Collins. She's genuinely a good person who actually means what she says.

I have to admit Susan Collins is one of my favorite Senators as well.
88  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 04, 2017, 05:16:17 pm
Thinking about Hayakawa earlier made me wonder: which Senator had the most impressive non-political accomplishments?  John Glenn perhaps?

Well, it's difficult to compete with an astronaut, but Hillary Clinton, during her postgraduate study at Yale University, served as staff attorney for the newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.

So she spent some of her pre-Senate life advocating and working for our most precious resource, the children.
89  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 04, 2017, 03:47:06 pm
Whatever happened to the massive Joe Biden fan club that once existed on this forum?

Poor Joe, adoration is fleeting.
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 04, 2017, 03:43:28 pm
My top three are.

1. Robert F. Kennedy
2. Jakob K. Javits
3. Robert Byrd (minus his racism)

I guess I could've added Hubert Humphrey, but he was Vice President.

But he was also a Senator, so he qualifies.
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Name one thing Trump did right, one thing he did wrong so far in office......... on: August 04, 2017, 01:56:00 pm
..........Name one thing Donald Trump did right in his first 7 months in office

Name one thing Donald Trump did wrong in his first 7 months in office..........
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 04, 2017, 01:49:29 pm
I'll put forward a Democrat

Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York

A breath of fresh air in the Senate
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 03, 2017, 01:51:39 pm
What?

Nobody for Senator Richard M Nixon, the anti-Communist crusader?
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 03, 2017, 11:49:23 am
Another of my favorites Hiram Johnson of California.
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 03, 2017, 11:05:05 am
Who is your favorite United States Senator from history?

Do not include any current United States Senators.

For me, I would have to say Jacob Javits  of New York is one of my favorites.

Please discuss.
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Who is your favorite current United States Senator? on: August 02, 2017, 10:22:33 am
Who is your favorite current United States Senator?

Please discuss.

Myself, Lindsey Graham.
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Mooch is out! on: July 31, 2017, 07:20:25 pm
Hallelujah!

Only ten days too late.
98  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Albert Speer know about the Holocaust on: July 31, 2017, 07:02:27 pm
Absolutely he knew what was going on, no doubt about that.

All major Nazi officials knew full well what was going on.

So did the German citizenry for the most part know what was going on.

How could they not know, seeing millions loaded into trains and never returning.

99  General Discussion / History / Re: What was GHWB's appeal in 1980? on: July 30, 2017, 10:54:32 am
After the ill conceived Ford deal fell apart, fortunately, Reagan was quick to settle on George H W Bush for Vice President.

Bush had a name, vast experience in various public offices at different levels, domestic and foreign, was respected as a man of integrity, was considered to be more moderate than Reagan, and was intelligent and capable.

Not to mention his admirable success in the business world and in academia, his distinguished service in the U.S. Navy during World War II, achieving the rank of Lieutenant, and the fact that he was Yale educated.

If there was such a thing as the ideal pick for 1980, then George H W Bush came as close to that ideal as anyone.
100  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidents that had the best personal relationship on: July 27, 2017, 11:47:42 pm
Not two Presidents, but former Vice President John Nance Garner was close to President Harry Truman.
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