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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why did Genesee County (Flint), MI swing so strongly Republican? on: February 19, 2017, 07:39:01 pm
Flint proper swinging to the Democrats with the rest of the county compensating with an even larger swing to the Republicans?
Nope, even Flint proper itself swung GOP.

By 10 points, even.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Kasich 2018 on: February 19, 2017, 06:14:52 pm
No, he's running for President.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your accent? on: February 19, 2017, 06:09:20 pm
Also, realisticidealist had made an useless post in this thread, man. Who gives a flip about his "general views about the states". I do not and sure as hell my family doesn't either.

lol
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your accent? on: February 19, 2017, 05:29:18 pm
Coincidentally (or not), this map also reflects my general views about the states:

5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Choose the first woman President. on: February 19, 2017, 03:50:38 pm
Kristen Day.
6  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What is the Deep South ? on: February 19, 2017, 01:36:19 pm
Pensacola, Tallahassee, and Jacksonville preclude Northern Florida from being Deep South.

Pensacola seems pretty Deep South to me. How is it different from Biloxi or Mobile?
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's university counties? on: February 19, 2017, 12:49:17 pm
California doesn't yet have city results available on Atlas though it is likely that Trump carried Bakersfield, but as said it is too big for the purpose of being a university county.

Trump won the city of Bakersfield 49.99-43.68.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's Desire for a Wall Meets Resistance from Border Experts on: February 19, 2017, 12:42:58 pm

And there lies the problem: private ownership of property along the border.

Eminent domain.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bill Gates: robots should pay taxes on: February 18, 2017, 10:45:19 pm
Sounds like another corporate tax that would just be passed on to consumers.
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Calvinism/Reformed Christianity AMA on: February 18, 2017, 06:28:23 pm
For Catholics and Orthodox, it is the failure to accept the finality of Christ's sacrifice and his role as high priest outlined in Hebrews. This manifests itself in Catholic attitudes towards the Mass, and exceedingly high view of Mary and the saints.

Could you elaborate on this?

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this.

Reformed theology teaches that Christ executes three offices, prophet, priest and king. This question concerns Christ's role as priest. Let's look at the Westminster Larger Catechism on the subject:

Q. 44. How doth Christ execute the office of a priest?
A. Christ executeth the office of a priest, in his once offering himself a sacrifice without spot to God, to be a reconciliation for the sins of the people; and in making continual intercession for them.

We get this from Hebrews 7 and 9

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25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.

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24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Christ died for us once, so to call the Eucharist, a sacrifice takes away from the sacrifice on Calvary. Likewise, since Christ is making intercession for us, to call Mary our co-redemptrix or to pray to the saints takes away from Christ's role as our redeemer and great high priest.

Since Christ has made one final sacrifice, and continually makes intercession for us as our high priest, Catholic attitudes about the Mass, Mary, and the Saints is unhelpful, or even idolatrous depending on how polemical you want to be.

I'm not sure you're accurately describing Catholic/Orthodox theology. A few points:

1) The Eucharist is not a sacrifice additional to Christ's but a participation in the eternal sacrifice on Calvary. Catholics believe Christ's body/blood is completely present in the Eucharistic gifts, the same body which was sacrificed on Calvary; we "re-enact" the breaking of Christ's body and shedding of Christ's blood and then choose to receive it, but this isn't viewed as a reenactment per se as much as a literal revisiting to the Passion itself. It is necessary for us to accept this sacrifice won by the giving of Christ's body and voluntarily receive the grace conferred by His act; if such an acceptance were not necessary, then we verge on universalist territory.

A slightly separate issue is about the definition of "sacrifice" in this context. Christ's sacrifice is "The Sacrifice," as it were, but we all offer our own "sacrifices." Praise and thanksgiving are often referred to as "sacrifices of praise" or the like (even by most Protestants), of which the Mass is first and foremost. The existence of such sacrifices in no way undermines Christ's ultimate sacrifice.

2) The title of "co-redemptrix" is not an official Catholic title for Mary. It is not dogma nor doctrine and has always been controversial within Catholicism. To the extent that it is accepted, it's viewed in the following way: Mary saying yes to bare Jesus was a necessary condition for the salvation of the world for without it Christ would not have been born. Her life was invariably intertwined with Jesus's thereafter, and she consequently bore many of Christ's sufferings with Him (Mary was the original "redemptive sufferer" who unites their suffering to those of Christ's and thus in some small way participates in His act). However, she was not in any way sufficient in the redemption of mankind. Christ is the only Redeemer; Mary was a necessary assistance in performing His role as Redeemer. Whether that "takes away" from Christ's role is a matter of opinion; while I would agree that Catholicism places perhaps an overemphasis on Mary's role, I often feel Protestantism places far too little emphasis on her.

3) I'm sure you know Catholics don't "pray to saints" but ask for their prayers on behalf of us to God just as you might ask a friend to do so, and, that by virtue of their being in the direct presence of God, might have some additional "efficacy" in the transmission of their prayers. If you want to criticize this, I'd approach it more from the direction of questioning the eschatology necessary for saints to be with God rather than being raised on the last day or to what extent prayer's "efficacy" is an applicable idea. I view it as an optional thing that probably doesn't hurt, but then again I'm not as ingrained in Catholic culture as someone raised in it might be.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Most Republican Iowan county on: February 18, 2017, 04:58:07 pm
1948 was the last time Sioux was not the most GOP county in Iowa.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Eharding Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: February 18, 2017, 01:46:44 pm
No, just no

communism sounds nice in theory...fascism doesn't.

Plenty of things about fascism sound great in theory. Societal order and cohesion, scientific advancement with unified goals, lack of political gridlock and dysfunction, high levels of societal efficiency, business interests made to serve the common good, high levels of communal care for the poor, very little unemployment, etc.

The bad parts of fascism come about in the means... just like in communism.

How is this any worse than saying communism sounds great in theory?

It doesn't. They're both garbage ideologies with zero value that need to be completely annihilated.

It wasn't the point. Praising things such as "cohesion" in fascism as even "theoretically" good is... eh.

As a side note, though, I know it's hard to comprehend for an American, but I'm unable to put communism at the same level with fascism. At least communists, while sucking really bad, didn't plan on annihilating my people and my culture.

To put it bluntly, fascism "in theory" is inherently racist. Communism isn't.

Only Nazism was especially racist. Italian fascism had racial tenets but wasn't built around racial lines. Spanish fascism didn't really have much to do with race.

How about explaining why I'm wrong rather than just quoting me here? AFAIK most forms of fascism were built around nationalist lines rather than racial lines, though overlap exists there, obviously.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Eharding Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: February 17, 2017, 08:52:50 pm
No, just no

communism sounds nice in theory...fascism doesn't.

Plenty of things about fascism sound great in theory. Societal order and cohesion, scientific advancement with unified goals, lack of political gridlock and dysfunction, high levels of societal efficiency, business interests made to serve the common good, high levels of communal care for the poor, very little unemployment, etc.

The bad parts of fascism come about in the means... just like in communism.

How is this any worse than saying communism sounds great in theory?

It doesn't. They're both garbage ideologies with zero value that need to be completely annihilated.

It wasn't the point. Praising things such as "cohesion" in fascism as even "theoretically" good is... eh.

As a side note, though, I know it's hard to comprehend for an American, but I'm unable to put communism at the same level with fascism. At least communists, while sucking really bad, didn't plan on annihilating my people and my culture.

To put it bluntly, fascism "in theory" is inherently racist. Communism isn't.

Only Nazism was especially racist. Italian fascism had racial tenets but wasn't built around racial lines. Spanish fascism didn't really have much to do with race.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Super wealthy towns that heavily swung against Donald Trump on: February 17, 2017, 05:18:22 pm
I wonder what the swing was in Medina, Yarrow Point, Hunts Point, Clyde Hill, Woodway, and Union/Novelty Hill, WA.

Medina
2012: Romney 51.6, Obama 47.1
2016: Clinton 57.5, Trump 33.2

Yarrow Point
2012: Romney 50.6, Obama 48.8
2016: Clinton 58.9, Trump 29.8

Hunts Point
2012: Romney 62.8, Obama 36.9
2016: Clinton 54.2, Obama 39.1

Clyde Hill
2012: Romney 52.9, Obama 45.6
2016: Clinton 56.2, Trump 32.5

Woodway
2012: Romney 51.2, Obama 47.1
2016: Clinton 52.8, Trump 37.2
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Eharding Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: February 17, 2017, 01:46:11 pm
No, just no

communism sounds nice in theory...fascism doesn't.

Plenty of things about fascism sound great in theory. Societal order and cohesion, scientific advancement with unified goals, lack of political gridlock and dysfunction, high levels of societal efficiency, business interests made to serve the common good, high levels of communal care for the poor, very little unemployment, etc.

The bad parts of fascism come about in the means... just like in communism.

How is this any worse than saying communism sounds great in theory?
16  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Farewell on: February 17, 2017, 12:46:25 pm
communism sounds nice in theory...fascism doesn't.

Plenty of things about fascism sound great in theory. Societal order and cohesion, scientific advancement with unified goals, lack of political gridlock and dysfunction, high levels of societal efficiency, business interests made to serve the common good, high levels of communal care for the poor, very little unemployment, etc.

The bad parts of fascism come about in the means... just like in communism.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Super wealthy towns that heavily swung against Donald Trump on: February 17, 2017, 11:58:54 am
More interesting might be the finding the wealthiest town that swung toward Trump.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Now that ag has apparently left the forum, who should lead the ECON board? on: February 16, 2017, 12:27:23 pm
The Economics board was a great place to post pure economics articles during the heady days of the crisis of '08-'09, and again during the euro crisis '10-'12. That was clearly not history, at the time. Now that the economy has broadly improved, there is less dramatic news to post there. It would pick up again in the event of another crisis, but that may be years or even decades away.

I wasn't here at the time, but the advantage of holding those discussions on a board separate from US General seems questionable. It limits the discussion to posters who believe that they have more of an interest in economics, which would be useful if those were also the posters with substantive knowledge of the discipline and self-awareness about the limits of their knowledge, but in my experience that is far from reality.

No one has a "substantive knowledge of the discipline." I've taken PhD level courses at a top 5 economics program and I don't have a "substantive knowledge" of it. People with a bachelor's in it don't have a "substantive knowledge" of it. People who've only taken a few courses certainly don't have substantive knowledge.

Jesus Christ, what have I awakened? Please forget that I ever used those words, because they obviously do not share anything that even approaches the same meaning for the two of us.

As long as someone has an appropriate level of epistemic humility, there's a good chance that they are capable of making what I would view as a quality contributions to the kind of econ discussions we have here. They don't need to know how to interpret all of the equations in a typical article. They certainly don't need to take the quasi-religious attitude that you and realisticidealist seem to favor, in which True Economics becomes some kind of inscrutable theological truth.

They're two different things. Having enough economic knowledge in terms of process/methodology/standards/etc. to run/contribute to a forum board is quite different from the broader claim of "understanding economics" on any sort of intuitive/self-apparent level.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Grassley: The US shouldn't blame Russia for meddling cause of... Italy 1948 on: February 16, 2017, 11:30:29 am
Honestly, it would be rather irresponsible of a country to not attempt to meddle in the important elections of another country.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Now that ag has apparently left the forum, who should lead the ECON board? on: February 15, 2017, 02:21:37 pm
The board should probably be abolished.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Open letter by psychiatrists: Trump "incapable of serving safely as president" on: February 15, 2017, 02:17:10 pm
Sounds like Trump should sue them for libel.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Old(er) precinct/town map thread on: February 15, 2017, 02:10:55 pm
Alaska, 1992 President:
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Old(er) precinct/town map thread on: February 15, 2017, 01:00:40 am
Virginia, 1996 President:
24  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Why do so many think God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving? on: February 14, 2017, 09:17:56 pm
From a Christian perspective, all three are essential. Isaiah says there's no limit to God's understanding; Job says He sees everything under the Heavens. John speaks to God literally being love. Jesus says "For all things are possible with God" in Mark. Aquinas argues for their inter-necessity in the Summa Theologica. Any Christian God is undoubtedly all three. I can't speak for other religions, though.

God could be all-loving in the true/objective sense, God is all-loving from his point of view, but it might not line up with what some individuals would consider all-loving from their point of view (or maybe they would, if they had God's knowledge).

This is almost certainly true, and I don't see why it would be an argument against all-loving in anyway.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Grammys are racist? on: February 13, 2017, 10:43:56 pm
Everything is racist
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