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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: How would a Free Scotland be politically different from the UK? on: September 19, 2014, 03:35:03 pm
What would change in the politics? How would the foreign policy be different? How about domestic policies?

Scotland is like Vermont politically, whereas the greater UK is perhaps Washington, Minnesota, California, New York or something. UK is generally liberal - even the Conservative party is more or less in line with US Democrats while the Scots politically feel much more Scandinavian than British. Tongue

It makes me feel so uneasy the amount of things wrong with this statement.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 16, 2014, 06:38:06 pm
It's the undecideds, stupid.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: September 16, 2014, 02:20:11 pm
Can backlash after Yes victory give SNP a great victory in GE2015 enough to make them 3rd party in Commons and king-maker? Or Scottish still vote for Labour after all?

Hard to tell, but I'd expect a big swing to the SNP because voters would see them as those best able to get Scotland a good deal in negotiations.

Also, if they're the kingmakers, they can basically demand whatever they want and pull the plug if the government tries to say no.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 06:49:48 pm
Remember that the capital or largest city usually gives you some clues on future trends.



Hillary to win 90% of the PV, heard it here first
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 05:29:55 pm
The Red-Greens have only added on 2 seats net...

Terrible.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 04:50:11 pm
For any further comment on this election, refer to the first quote in my sig.

Quote from: Antonio V signature
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

It was neither a surprising result or a big surprise that SD got more votes than the polls showed.

Is that supposed to make things better? It's not working.

No it was not supposed making you feel better, it was a comment about stop making a big drama out it, the new government will likely keep Reinfeldt promise about taking 360 000 Syrian refugees in the next 4 years (more than Germany takes), they will likely raise the taxes to pay for it. So be happy for that at least.

In Antonios defence, if you view the last 40 years of European history as one long rearguard battle for Social Democrats against an advancing neoliberal wave (and that is not an unreasonable take on European political history), then a party as strong as SAP not being able to regain a left wing majority with a worn down bourgeois government is a big dissapointment.
Basically it is yet another proof that Social Democracy as a political force is in big trouble even in countries where it once dominated.

But it's not under threat from liberals and conservatives. It's under threat from the far-right, to state the obvious. These leftist parties still haven't quite come to terms with this. UKIP here in the UK is bit different, but center-left parties in Europe are basically losing youngs to the far-right as their olds are dying.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 04:38:16 pm
Wait. Just reading the BBC's article. Reinfeldt privatised Absolut Vodka? The government owned a Vodka company!?

Socialism.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 04:09:48 pm
Great job, Swedes! Welcome to the same nightmarish hell that other European countries have been living through for a while. Apparently you're no better than them.

Being a little overdramatic here, aren't we? Smiley It's still going to be a minority for the left.

Yeah, with a bunch of xenophobic bastards holding the balance of power. Surely this is gonna be a wonderful left-wing government.

SAP cooperation across the aisle with the centre-right is not exactly an alien concept to Swedish politics.

Yeah, isn't that quite a common thing in Scandinavia? Hasn't HTS had to get some stuff passed with Venstre instead of Red-Green in Denmark? (or am I thinking of Borgen?)
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 03:09:53 pm
So SD voters are shy toward exit pollsters and FI supporters are outgoing toward exit pollsters

It makes sense, Sd is still not a respectable choice.

And young people love a fad (see also: Yes Scotland).
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 14, 2014, 02:33:19 pm
Unless Al, in his usual arrogant and condescending way,

Pot, meet kettle.

Anyhoo, my reason for posting here are to say that I'm a huge believer in popular soverignty, but it's downright foolish to leave such a mammoth vastly-reaching event utterly affecting every person to a simple 50%+1 vote. The fact that such an irrevocable change of history should be potentially determined by the momentary (dis)approval of the of the PM or Home Secretary, or some non-story like this twisting the vote based on a momentary sway of fleeting opinion, or bad weather >iminishing turnout in a pro-union stronghold.

There REALLY should be some type of super-majority required; at least 60%, if not 2/3 support. Fwiw, I felt the same way about the Quebec independence referendum,  and and Southern sucession as well.

That is all.

Exactly, the nats love saying that the referendum shouldn't be about Salmond and Sturgeon, completely not realising that they've based a lot of their campaign on bashing Cameron (and Thatcher, of course).
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 01:24:34 pm
Any chance the left and the Sweden Democrats form a coalition? Basically, left-wing policy on everything except for immigration.

Ha, no.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 14, 2014, 10:27:13 am
Okay, so Yes Scotland are having a hissy fit over BBC bias.

One of the truisms of British politics is that all sides think the BBC is biased towards the other side. I, personally, think the BBC's coverage has been quite balanced during the referendum.

Yes Scotland also forget they've been backed by Murdoch anyway, but selective amnesia is something that's defined their campaign, so I'm not shocked at this selective outrage.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: SWEDEN - September 14, 2014 - GUIDE and THREAD on: September 14, 2014, 09:30:35 am
Is it true that in Sweden there are piles of ballots in the polling station for each party and you can draw a ballot for the party you are voting for ?

So, basically everyone knows for which party you are voting, depending which ballot you take (unless you take ballots for every party with you into the voting booth) ?

You asked this question four years ago as well Tender, I'm disappointed you do not remember.

The answer is yes and yes. People who want to keep their vote secret bring their own ballot papers or take one from every party.

Isn't this a terrible waste of paper you might ask. Yes it is, but Sweden has a very big forestry and paper industry so see it as one big subsidy every four years. Wink

A tad too North Korean maybe.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 13, 2014, 07:25:07 am
"Expected declaration time" is the biggest lie told on election nights.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 12, 2014, 02:45:31 pm
A legal question, the Yes vote won what happens in the general election? will the Scottish MPs take their seats and be able to vote despite the fact that they will soon be out of the union? if Labour win due to the Scottish vote what happens?

I feel like a generation of future law students will suffer studying this cluster of a constitutional problem.

That's been the 1,000,000 question south of the border and the answer so far has basically been we'll cross that bridge when it comes.

Some have said that Scottish MPs may just be banned from voting on English matters until secession in 2016. I'd imagine if the government's majority rests on Scottish MPs, there'd have to be a snap election post-secession.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion on: September 12, 2014, 06:51:31 am
Ian Paisley is dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saC13RJ8CUs
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 11, 2014, 04:00:40 pm
No back ahead with YouGov

52-48 from 49-51.

Well, I guess it was fun while it lasted. Sad

The one with Yes ahead looks like more of an outlier. The one before that one was 53-47.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 11, 2014, 03:56:46 pm
No back ahead with YouGov

52-48 from 49-51.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK parliamentary by-elections 2014 on: September 11, 2014, 01:58:33 pm
I think the difference between the NDP and UK Labour is that there's historically been large Catholic sections of their voting coalition. Many Labour MPs represent very socially conservative parts of the country as well.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: September 11, 2014, 01:53:57 pm
The problem of England continues to be intractable. Creating an English Parliament leads to the risk that the First Minister of England would do to the Prime Minister of the UK what Boris Yeltsin did to Mikhail Gorbachev.  Federal type states do not work very well when one member of the Federation is stronger than all the others combined.

I wonder if this is really true. One can't precisely compare a dying socialist dictatorship to the UK. Perhaps it would weaken the UK federal government, but the same is true in countries with much more federal subject parity like Belgium.

I'd imagine a more regional solution would be more viable, but a lot depends on the government elected in May. I'd imagine if Scotland votes Yes, 5 more years of the Tories would lead to some very loud shouts for northern devolution. Of course, Labour have been making some soundings on devolution to local areas, but the shape that'd take is still very vague.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 11, 2014, 12:33:05 pm
Why wouldn't an independent Scotland simply use the Euro - like Ireland?

I think Scotland would have to apply to join the Euro, and I don't know if their economic indicators will support it, not after they take the big economic hit from separation and losing many companies to the U.K.

While Scotland would need to apply to join the Euro, that is not the reason and their economy would easily meet the requirements for membership. The Euro is simply not an attractive option at the moment.

Alex Salmond is still a politician and the SNP is still a political party. To even whisper about joining the euro would spell electoral armageddon.

If it was in any way feasible, it would've been one of the first suggestions.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 10, 2014, 07:03:31 am
I'm of the view if it ain't broke don't fix it. The United Kingdom as it stands works pretty well overall for all the different countries of the union.

Having said that if the Scots vote for independence the Westminster government really should insist that Scotland will have to have it's own currency.

Using the UK's currency makes no sense for Scotland. Independence should mean true financial independence as well as political sovereignty.



Well exactly. They can't ask for independence just as long as they can keep the good bits of the union. The rUK public wouldn't have it.
23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion on: September 09, 2014, 06:03:50 pm
Curious that Clacton has been more heavily polled than Scotland over the past week.

London media.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 09, 2014, 04:21:20 pm
Ed Miliband calls for locations all around England to raise the Scottish saltire in "solidarity" with Scotland.  Cameron assents and starts raising it above Downing Street.  In the first try to get it up, it falls to the ground after it gets half way up the flagpole.  Metaphor ensues?

Shouldn't Tories be eager to get rid off Scotland? Tongue

You'd think, but the Tories have always been very keen on "Queen and country".
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 09, 2014, 04:10:36 pm
As a student, just wondering if Scotland votes Yes, will rUK students starting at Scottish universities within days lose support from Student Finance England post-independence in 2016?

Also worth noting while im on the topic, that most new students/returning students at new Scottish addresses, won't be registered to vote with the week of the referendum being the week many students return to university. A good few thousand rUKers living in Scotland going without the vote next Thursday...
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