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101  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Republicans Are Too Angry About Gay Marriage on: July 06, 2015, 04:38:01 am
That's funny.  They've avoided the issue like the plague for a decade and essentially invited gay 'mirage' to become law. Repubs gave up a long time ago. If that's angry, can't help ya.

The battle is over and we lost. Terms of surrender: We want religious freedom and media to stop calling us haters. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/opinion/sunday/the-terms-of-our-surrender.html?_r=0

This battle isn't over. We have a clear path to overturn this. I've been in this fight for a long time and will never bow to this.

This is not Plessy v. Ferguson, a flawed decision in which "separate but equal" was deemed possible and acceptable despite its inherent absurdity. The refutation of "separate but equal" was obvious: that a social order that mandated separation of the races with grossly-unequal results implied that racial separation in public accommodations and especially education would invariably result in structural disadvantage that proved the establishment or maintenance of "separation" inevitably led to gross inequality.

That same-sex marriage disgusts you? Many people still give dirty looks to a white woman who has a black husband and biracial children.  Loving v. Virginia is not going to be overturned.

Stare decisis reigns in American legal practice.  It prevents legal anarchy.

So it was 'only' a 5-4 decision? Get over it. The dissent is already shabby. The next conservative justices appointed to the Supreme Court will see same-sex marriage well entrenched in American life.

Turn your efforts, please, to something less quixotic.
102  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: History of the legalization of same-sex marriage in America on: July 05, 2015, 04:08:56 pm
Can we paint Texas white yet?

Unfortunately not. I can hardly wait to do so.... tomorrow?

... and close the thread to leave it as a historical document.
103  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump vs. Mexico omnibus thread on: July 05, 2015, 09:01:42 am
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/04/politics/bush-trump-immigrants/

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Jeb Bush said Donald Trump doesn't represent the views of most Republicans, offering his most aggressive comments so far on the real estate titan who's used inflammatory language when talking about immigrants.

"This is a guy who was a Democrat for most of the last decade. I don't think he represents the Republican Party, and his views are way out of the mainstream of what most Republicans think," Bush told reporters after an Independence Day parade in Merrimack, New Hampshire, according to The New York Times.
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"Trump is wrong on this," Bush said. "He's doing this. He's not a stupid guy. Don't think he thinks every Mexican crossing the border is a rapist. He's doing this to inflame and incite and to draw attention, which seems to be his organizing principle of his campaign."


I like what Governor Bush said, and he was very diplomatic in stating that Trump isn't a moron, which he is.

I remember hearing the late Norman Schwartzkopf answer a question about his assessment of Saddam Hussein  as a leader during the first Gulf War. "For someone not a soldier, general, strategist, tactician, politician, or statesman, he did well".

Donald Trump has never held elective office and never had a cabinet post. He can satisfy people in his limited area of competence... but the limits are obvious.
 
Donald Trump is more a showman and promoter than a diplomat.

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The fact that Donald Trump is considered a legitimate Republican shows a failure of the media to hold this man accountable. He isn't successful because of his own doing, he's successful because of government corporate welfare policies, bailouts, and generous bankruptcy laws that have enabled him to use what money he already had to expand in ways small business could not. Additionally, Trump is a socialist who once supported a wealth tax and socialized medicine, he is still a protectionist who would have left Saddam Hussein in power.

American media are now almost uniformly awful in journalism. They know how to dial the knobs on the psyche of people who read the tabloids or watch TV. They have segmented to fit the sensibilities of polarized, partisan audiences at the expense of objectivity. I question whether some of them insist upon two sources or upon fact-checking. (An excuse is made for official sources which are considered definitive).

Few challenge crony capitalism ("socialism for the rich"), perhaps because they fear the loss of advertising revenue from crony capitalists. In-depth coverage? Sure -- if it is breasts and hips of attractive women.     

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Bottom line: Trump is a bigot, a sociopath, an egomaniac, and a socialist and I'm tired of this entertainer running for President. This nation is hurting, and this guy makes bigoted comments and takes air time away from serious candidates like Jeb Bush and Scott Walker.

If the media did their job (FoX News certainly won't) they would grill all Republicans. The attempt to make the legislative process secret in Wisconsin, even if Scott Walker tried to keep some distance from it, portends the sort of secretive government we would have if the Koch syndicate won the trifecta of the Presidency, theHouse, and the Senate in 2017.
104  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker's up for getting rid of filibuster, in order to repeal Obamacare on: July 05, 2015, 06:44:10 am
The filibuster is a check on the majority's power and shall remain. Walker doesn't know what he's talking about on this issue.

It's also a block on a certain pathology of politics analogous to the old Torno in Spain. In essence, one Party gets a majority, undoes everything that the previous government did, starts prosecuting about every key figure in the previous government with politically-charged courts sending the offenders to prison, and then starts pushing its own radical agenda. The majority government then goes too far, gets corrupt and unresponsive except to increasingly-narrow constituencies, and is defeated by the other Party as people get sickened of the recent results. Then the other Party does much the same once in power. There is no continuity in government.

Although the filibuster can foster gridlock, gridlock is the best check upon radicalism and despotism of any kind.

105  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Republicans Are Too Angry About Gay Marriage on: July 04, 2015, 07:39:11 pm
That's funny.  They've avoided the issue like the plague for a decade and essentially invited gay 'mirage' to become law. Repubs gave up a long time ago. If that's angry, can't help ya.

The battle is over and we lost. Terms of surrender: We want religious freedom and media to stop calling us haters. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/opinion/sunday/the-terms-of-our-surrender.html?_r=0

Sure. Case-by-case basis. In my case I consider silence acceptance, or at least acquiescence.
106  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bill to end public records laws passes Wisconsin Assembly Committee on: July 04, 2015, 04:39:01 pm
This is dictatorial. This is how a Supreme Soviet acts.
107  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Current status of SSM in the holdout states (MAP) on: July 04, 2015, 04:37:40 pm
Out of curiosity, what's your justification for putting LA under the "No issues" green shade?

It is now "no issues". The Governor and Attorney infamously resisted SSM before giving in. Maybe they came to realize how silly their behavior was and how pointless their resistance to SSM looks silly.
108  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Republicans Are Too Angry About Gay Marriage on: July 04, 2015, 03:59:33 pm
The sane approach is that whether or not same-sex marriage offends Christian sensibilities, the ruling is at the least an endorsement of freedom.  To be sure, liberals can easily make such a stance.  They can see the sane conservative side.

Crime against nature? For a real crime against Nature, try global warming. Crime against tradition? Slavery and infanticide used to be traditions, too. 

Does same-sex marriage hurt me if I have no homosexual proclivities? Of course not. It simply means that people who can love only within their own gender can marry and have normal lives. It means that people that I might know in a work setting are happier -- which is better for me. Nobody needs to pretend that a relationship that has all the hallmarks of a marriage isn't a marriage. If the relationship looks like a marriage and acts like a marriage, then it is a marriage.

The topic might as well be settled. There are bigger topics to deal with -- like poverty, labor-management relations,  and of course real monsters in the Middle East (Daesh). 
109  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: July 04, 2015, 02:16:24 pm
God somehow missed one of the most horrible crimes possible -- slavery. The Bible says nothing about slavery except that slaves are to serve their masters. So is it wrong to help a slave escape hereditary bondage?

Today most of us recognize the 'conductors' of the Underground Railroad as heroes. Today the only qualms that we can have with the hanging of Fritz Sauckel,  the most horrible procurer of slaves in the twentieth century is opposition to the death penalty.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

There is a key difference between the slavery that was practiced in the Bible and the slavery that was practiced in the United States. The slavery practiced in the Bible was not based on race. People weren't enslaved just because they were of a certain skin color. In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemned ''man-stealing'', which is how most slaves were ultimately brought to the US:

''And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.'' - Exodus 21:16

''But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;'' - 1 Timothy 1:8-10


The buyers of slaves are as culpable as the sellers. This applies as much to those who deal in sexual slaves (the victims are typically women or girls) as to those who the slave-traffickers of Africans to the New World.
110  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: July 04, 2015, 11:55:28 am
why is it so hard to understand that those people's views are objectively bad?

They're not. You are not the sole arbiter of morality. That honor belongs solely to God, who has declared that homosexuality is sinful (Leviticus 18:22, 1 Corinthians 6:9).

But if homosexuality is intractable, then God is responsible or culpable in its existence. Unlike such blatant sins as murder, rape, theft, arson, drug-dealing, or perversion of justice, homosexuality is not for us to judge.

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You are the one with the objectively bad views on this matter; as you have exalted something which God hath called an abomination, and have condemned His righteous moral edicts regarding the matter. You have called evil good, and good evil (read Isaiah 5:20).

God somehow missed one of the most horrible crimes possible -- slavery. The Bible says nothing about slavery except that slaves are to serve their masters. So is it wrong to help a slave escape hereditary bondage?

Today most of us recognize the 'conductors' of the Underground Railroad as heroes. Today the only qualms that we can have with the hanging of Fritz Sauckel,  the most horrible procurer of slaves in the twentieth century is opposition to the death penalty.

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The Bible says in Leviticus 19:17 that in order to truly love your neighbor, you must rebuke him and not suffer sin upon him. That means warning your neighbors that they are sinning, warning them about the nature of their sin, and warning them about the consequences of their sin. That is the loving thing to do, just as it is loving to warn a cigarette smoker about the dangers of cigarettes. It is not loving to lie to them and coddle them in it.

Sin? That ranges from minor indulgences (a sweet roll) to some of the most horrendous crimes possible (the Holocaust, slave trafficking). How is anyone in a position to tell a mobster to quit his destructive, exploitative activities?
111  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Obama be remembered in the top 10 of Presidents? on: July 04, 2015, 11:18:57 am
I honestly believe he will be. Most of the top Presidents were very divisive in their day, but once they leave office the vitriol dies down tremendously. Obama has impressive accomplishments that eluded other Presidents such as healthcare and gay rights. Also, his historic position as the first African-American to assume the office ensures he will be one of the few Presidents everyone remembers the name of 50 years from now.

You have a point. The standards are higher now than they used to be, and the presence of  hostile media with a programmatic opposition to everything that the President does is not his fault. Within two years of the end of the Obama Administration the successor Democrat as President will not be getting the bulk of the cat-calls from Right-wing media. A Republican successor? When the economy collapses or a War for Profit that that Republican President starts begins to go bad, people not on the Hard Right are going to wax nostalgic about Barack Obama.

No scandals. No pointless wars started. Lots of terrorists whacked. Long bull market without a speculative boom. Obamacare getting respect.



 
112  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Governor LePage endorses Christie on: July 04, 2015, 04:32:55 am
He's angling for the Veep slot, should Christie emerge as the nominee.

If he is "angling", he is casting his hook into waters devoid of fish.

It is extremely unwise for a Presidential nominee to select a running mate with problems. Think of Thomas Eagleton.

Allegations of corruption play badly in national politics.
113  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Texas: Attorney General Paxton being investigated for securities fraud on: July 03, 2015, 10:59:04 pm
One of the hazards of single-party government: corruption. 

Mediocrity, to boot. The Texas Republicans are starting to seem like that species of jellyfish that is only found in certain lakes and lacks any ability to sting - after thousands of years of having none of the natural predators that are found in oceans, they simply stopped needing to make an effort.

The deterioration of the caliber of downballot candidates in Texas really reached a tipping point in 2014. That someone like Ken Paxton - a man who, yes, did successfully graduate from law school, but whose career included no judicial clerkships or significant work in constitutional law, and who has spent the bulk of his career doing in-house legal work for companies and as a "financial advisor" - was a major party nominee for attorney general and was easily elected is a scandal in and of itself.

Just imagine the conflicts of interest with an AG who has been more involved in investment hustles than in criminal or constitutional law. Then vomit.
114  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: July 03, 2015, 10:54:07 pm
Sock/Troll nothing against your position on SSM.

The creep sent me an unsolicited pornographic image, an extreme violation of Forum policy. I hope that nobody else got such a message. It's the unwelcome porn that is the problem -- and not whether the fellow despises me or my positions.  
 
115  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker's "anti-gay transition" on: July 03, 2015, 05:53:42 pm
A stand against same-sex marriage after the Supreme Court has decided that SSM is a right is quixotic in the extreme.
116  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: July 03, 2015, 08:05:04 am
This is off topic but relevant in view of a message that I received. I got an explicit, pornographic  image that was the sole content of the message from personal someone identifying himself as Jim Roberts. This person had never posted anything on one of the Forms.

I deleted the image because it could be harmful to any minor who might see it. We need remember that there are minors using this site so that they can, among other things, get information for class reports and other assignments. 

A warning to "Jim Roberts": it is a violation of federal law to transmit a sexual image potentially harmful to children to any media in which children might be viewers. No, this was not plain and simple nudity as out of the centerfold of a men's magazine. This was far more troublesome.

...I have been concerned with the ethics and politics of same-sex marriage because of my desire for a better world even for people who have a significant difference from me. Now that the struggle for same-sex marriage has become an all-but-done deal, it is literal history. Whatever slight role I have had in my written support of same-sex marriage, I might have cause for pride even if it is to support something that I would never do myself.   

On the other side, transmission of pornographic images as an insult to me (or anyone else) for the side that I took in a debate is inexcusable. It would be similarly inexcusable to transmit such images as an insult to people on the other side as in-the-face insults.

Let's not gloat. Other issues will confront us soon enough. Many who opposed same-sex marriage thought that they did so for the best interests of America as a whole.
117  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will Asian-Americans vote in 2016? on: July 03, 2015, 07:46:21 am
Republicans can expect little support from a diverse array of ethnic groups (do Pakistani-Americans and Japanese-Americans really have much in common?) that generally respect intellect when the Republican Party uses anti-intellectual demagoguery to appeal to people who have contempt for formal education.

...We need recall that in 2008, the Democratic nominee did better among highly-educated people than poorly-educated people on the whole; income never had so slight a correlation to partisan voting. Republicans are now losing some desirable constituencies that they used to rely upon. 
118  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker's "anti-gay transition" on: July 03, 2015, 07:39:52 am
He has been tacking Right to win GOP constituencies; in doing so he offends everyone else.

By the early autumn of 2016, same-sex marriage will be a political irrelevancy, a done deal everywhere. What will be more important will be the cheap-labor, environment-ravaging, superstition-pushing segments of the GOP.

Can he unite them? Sure. He can also become a brittle target for the 'slings and arrows' of anyone even slightly to the left of center.  
119  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jim Webb Announces 2016 Presidential Run on: July 03, 2015, 05:27:45 am
Possible VP nominee?

It's hard to see the Hillary Clinton winning Virginia and losing the Presidential election. 
120  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: History of the legalization of same-sex marriage in America on: July 02, 2015, 09:31:15 pm
Texas is the last holdout now.

Louisiana:

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Louisiana state government was forced to start recognizing same-sex marriages on Thursday following a U.S. District Court ruling.

This recognition has lead to the following changes at state agencies:

    Both people in a same-sex marriage can be listed on their children's birth certificates. Previously, two parents of the same sex not be listed on a child's birth certificate. In general, adoption by same-sex couples should be become easier now.
    The Department of Health and Hospitals will issue and process marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Court clerks in all parishes had agreed to do this earlier in the week.
    The Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles will allow people in same-sex relationship to change their name to reflect their spouse's starting Monday. 
    The Department of Revenue will allow same-sex married couples to file their taxes jointly.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/louisiana_state_government_rec.html#incart_river

White out!

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A group of Mississippi circuit clerks said they'll be issuing same-sex marriage licenses after meeting with Gov. Phil Bryant and a lawyer with the attorney general's office and receiving some "clarity."

And the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on Wednesday lifted a stay that had caused confusion over whether Mississippi could begin allowing same-sex marriages.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/01/guidance-clerks-issue-sex-licenses/29578875/

White out!

I expect the same for Texas, also in the Fifth Circuit, very soon.






States with full legalization of SSM as of 1 May, 2014 (white)
States getting full legalization of SSM in October 2014
States getting full legalization of SSM in November 2014
States getting full legalization of SSM in January 2015
States getting full legalization of SSM in February 2015
Obergfell v. Hedges, 26 June 2015 or interpretation that the ruling applies to the state
Method of legalization of SSM:  



Method of legalization of SSM

resulting from a state court decision invalidating an SSM ban
resulting from state legislation
resulting from the decision of the DC Council
resulting from a statewide initiative or referendum

resulting from a decision by the US Supreme Court
resulting from a decision by a federal court subsidiary to the US Supreme Court
Obergfell v. Hodges -- specific mention of states or interpretation by the state that the ruling applies to it.


121  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Texas: Attorney General Paxton being investigated for securities fraud on: July 02, 2015, 09:26:29 pm
One of the hazards of single-party government: corruption. 
122  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Polls on Same-Sex Marriage State Laws on: July 02, 2015, 08:17:23 pm
Go ahead and white out the other 3.

I wish that I could. But there is resistance in Texas (Hood County):

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/07/attorneys-to-sue-hood-county-if-clerk-doesnt-issue-marriage-license-to-same-sex-couple-today.html/

Louisiana:

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Louisiana state government was forced to start recognizing same-sex marriages on Thursday following a U.S. District Court ruling.

This recognition has lead to the following changes at state agencies:

    Both people in a same-sex marriage can be listed on their children's birth certificates. Previously, two parents of the same sex not be listed on a child's birth certificate. In general, adoption by same-sex couples should be become easier now.
    The Department of Health and Hospitals will issue and process marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Court clerks in all parishes had agreed to do this earlier in the week.
    The Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles will allow people in same-sex relationship to change their name to reflect their spouse's starting Monday. 
    The Department of Revenue will allow same-sex married couples to file their taxes jointly.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/louisiana_state_government_rec.html#incart_river

White out!

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A group of Mississippi circuit clerks said they'll be issuing same-sex marriage licenses after meeting with Gov. Phil Bryant and a lawyer with the attorney general's office and receiving some "clarity."

And the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on Wednesday lifted a stay that had caused confusion over whether Mississippi could begin allowing same-sex marriages.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/01/guidance-clerks-issue-sex-licenses/29578875/

White out!

I expect the same for Texas, also in the Fifth Circuit, very soon.
123  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Obama be remembered in the top 10 of Presidents? on: July 02, 2015, 08:03:28 pm
I think it depends on how the next 10-15 years go. If the US faces major difficulties that are directly traceable back to his terms, he will likely end up in the bottom quartile. I think Shrub is headed to the same place.

Dubya may still have respect from right-wingers mostly because he isn't Barack Obama... but I see plenty of contempt from just about everyone else. Dubya is very low among Presidents. He was competent at riding cultural trends, but that has at most evanescent or illusory benefits.

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Right now, over a year before his term is done, there's the potential for a major terror attack, a war, or an economic crash. Any of those will be attached to his legacy.

Even one of his harshest critics, Karl Rove, calls him "cautious". He has had one of the cleanest administrations in recent years.

Does the long bull market seem doomed? It seems to have a broader and sounder foundation than the real estate bubble of Dubya.  
124  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Obama 2.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: July 02, 2015, 05:19:03 pm
Right-wing news media also carp at him all the time.

...When all is said and done I see him likely to be compared to Eisenhower. ACA is his Interstate Highway System. He undid much of the damage that Dubya did -- more economic than military.
125  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MI-PPP: Hillary leads everyone, Paul and Walker closest on: July 02, 2015, 05:14:56 pm
Walker 39%
Sanders 35%

We all know how relevant these numbers are at this stage:



Indeed, few people saw the Iraq war spiraling into the quagmire that it became. People could have reasonably predicted a financial panic analogous to that of 1929 (but I am into Howe and Strauss' generational theory and I could see the near-repeat of human history due to the shabbiness of the economic activity of the time) even if I could not time it. America was not ready to elect a black man as President.

 
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