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126  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Countdown to a Free America on: March 09, 2017, 06:28:00 am
Aren't you the same guy who repeatedly claimed that the 2020 election would not be free and fair?

Things are changing fast.

We have a race between consolidation of power and resistance, between power and liberty, between fanaticism and reason, between desperation and hope, and between dictatorship and Constitutional norms. Or as Dickens would put it,



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    It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

        Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities
        English novelist (1812 - 1870)   

Our world is changing rapidly, and surely not the way and at the pace that any of us wish. 
127  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US private sector created 298K jobs in Feb. vs. 190K est.: ADP on: March 08, 2017, 07:17:04 pm
It's still the Obama economy.
128  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Good news for Donald Trump: Your poll numbers are now better than Hillary's on: March 08, 2017, 07:16:23 pm
Low approval ratings for Donald Trump in November 2018 can cost the Republicans the House and some Governorships, including critical Governorships in Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin. Without Republican governors doing voter suppression for him he loses those four states and his re-election bid.
129  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Only 5 months until child molester Hastert gets out of jail on: March 08, 2017, 04:39:02 pm
Hastert was the real victim. That is extraordinarily obvious to anyone with a brain. Sad that this new Democratic Party is so blinded by partisanship - not the one I knew my entire childhood.

1. It is criminal to have sex with a youth under the age of consent.

2. It is criminal to have sex with someone that you have a teacher-student relationship, for which abuse of power is the offense.

3. It is criminal to use money in illegal transactions that include paying hush money to avoid being charged wit a crime.
130  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Countdown to a Free America on: March 08, 2017, 01:54:50 pm
I figured that there might be times when we might want to say "1300 days left of Trump or Pence" or the like. It's more a utility than a political statement.

We are not yet certain that President Trump will be defeated on November 3, 2020... I would give him a very weak chance of re-election now. I expect no miracles and I am more likely to expect scandals, debacles, and economic meltdowns.

There was something similar on another history chatline involving the end of the Bush 43 Presidency, and I came up with "on the average a child conceived today will never know Dubya as President about 270 days before..."

I can think of some squirrely things to say on Easter Sunday...


131  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 08, 2017, 01:45:38 pm
Gallup seems very consistent.
132  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Jason Chaffetz: Poor People Should Stop Buying iPhones If They Need Money For HC on: March 08, 2017, 08:51:36 am
One does need a phone, and those who must make and receive calls while not at home need a cell phone. It is a necessity for holding certain jobs, including 'gig' assignments. 

But one can get a flip phone for about $20, which is convenient for the size and relatively simple to use.  I keep a digital camera and a reader device separate from them because I don;t need them all the time.
133  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kremlin Sets Out to Prove Trump was Their 'Useful Idiot' All Along on: March 08, 2017, 08:26:22 am
Putin needs do little to show that President Trump is a fool.
134  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Inspiration from the past on: March 08, 2017, 08:23:24 am
I say "Obama" because our system does not make the likes of Lincoln or FDR anymore. 
135  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump/Pence vs. Franken/Stein on: March 08, 2017, 08:20:34 am
One of my smears on Trump  is "Trumpenstein"...
136  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What Atlas #Analysis will be rejected after the 2020 election? on: March 08, 2017, 08:18:45 am
To make a meta-analysis here, the notion that presidential elections are predictable, scientific events is rather laughable. 2020 may be another 1932, and it may be another 1984. Both seem extremely unlikely at this point, but it really all depends on Trump's first term.

You have the extremes involving the first terms of Presidents. 

He will be lucky to be Bush 2004. Dubya rode the political aftermath of 9/11 very well and ran against a very weak opponent. Barring some event that he can exploit he already shows signs of being very disappointing. So what does he have in common with Dubya? He won despite losing the popular vote.

Quality in a President is subjective in the extreme. It is possible to win re-election when over 40% of the public thinks one is absolutely awful.

He has done nothing to win the support of people who voted against him. He has told people simply to believe him and obey him because his politics are the wave of the future or some Mussolini-style malarkey.


...Donald Trump makes me glad that I have no children.   



 
137  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What Atlas #Analysis will be rejected after the 2020 election? on: March 08, 2017, 08:04:14 am
^Neither of the above two predicted Trump would win. Just pointing that out.

True... but that does not mean that Donald Trump will be seen worthy of re-election in 2020.

Donald Trump gets whatever pride I ever had in being an American.
 
138  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pence now claims slaves were immigrants in address today, defending carson on: March 08, 2017, 07:58:10 am
Here is how President Obama put it:

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From the start, Africans were brought here in chains against their will and then toiled under the whip. They also built America.

Forced labor. The Union Army liberated slaves in the Confederacy -- and the US Army liberated slaves of the Third Reich.

 
139  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Countdown to a Free America on: March 08, 2017, 07:50:06 am
In case you hold the Trump Administration in contempt and believe that you can really start living again when he and Mike Pence (who is awful in his own right), then here is your countdown:

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=Inauguration%202021&p0=900&year=2021&month=1&day=20&hour=9&min=0&sec=0&fromtheme=generic
140  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking news WSJ: Trump lied again, he met the Russian ambassador last year on: March 08, 2017, 07:47:31 am
Another day, another Atlas forum thread created about Russia.

It's time to accept that Trump won the election.

I hope it does not take 4 years.


He won, but I look at his Presidency as if it were a prison term or a peonage contract.

1414 days left in which to hold the President in contempt.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=Inauguration%202021&p0=900&year=2021&month=1&day=20&hour=9&min=0&sec=0&fromtheme=generic
141  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Jason Chaffetz: Poor People Should Stop Buying iPhones If They Need Money For HC on: March 08, 2017, 05:22:08 am
How a nation goes into the sewer -- an elite within the nation is able to enforce the norm that the entire economy exists to enrich and indulge that elite.
142  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Atlas Name for New Healthcare Bill? on: March 07, 2017, 06:05:56 pm
Run-out-of-money-and-die.
143  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pence now claims slaves were immigrants in address today, defending carson on: March 07, 2017, 06:04:50 pm
Doctor Pangloss is alive and well and has the office of President of the United States.   
144  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pennsylvania Democratic Party hacked, data destroyed on: March 07, 2017, 02:31:33 pm
Putin's poodle will likely do nothing.
145  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Jason Chaffetz: Poor People Should Stop Buying iPhones If They Need Money For HC on: March 07, 2017, 02:28:30 pm
Chaffetz is right on this one.

He doesn't even know the difference between a smart phone sold at a store with "dollar" in its name and an iPhone.  



146  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 07, 2017, 02:14:51 pm
Georgia 6 (Trafalgar Group):

52% approve
41% disapprove

http://us13.campaign-archive2.com/?u=99839c1f5b2cbb6320408fcb8&id=7962184199&e=32e0d75bb8

Trafalgar was the best pollster in 2016, predicting the Trump wins in PA etc.

Probably a good poll of the Sixth District. Not to be confused with Georgia itself.
147  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Jason Chaffetz: Poor People Should Stop Buying iPhones If They Need Money For HC on: March 07, 2017, 11:14:24 am
iPhones are too expensive for me even in good times. They really are expensive.  

He may not even realize that smart phones are available for about $50 even without a contract. That is roughly three new-release compact discs or DVDs, two fifths of whiskey, seven six-packs of  beer worth drinking...  

Trump economics: raise prices and cut wages, and make medical care so expensive that people chose to do without it and die.

Donald Trump is our President. I am not proud to be an American anymore.



148  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 07, 2017, 11:06:39 am
This is more than ordinary loss of support. This does not translate into polling, but all in all I expect people to scratch their heads at 9PM EST on November 2, 2020 as Michigan is a quick call for the Democratic nominee for President and wonder how Donald Trump could have won the state in 2016.

I doubt that the discriminatory behavior against Muslim travelers does well for President Trump.  Yes, Dearborn is a no-go zone -- if you are a drunk, addict, pimp, or prostitute wandering in from Detroit.  I can live with that sort of 'no-go zone'.
149  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump repays Michigan: Slashes Great Lakes clean-up fund by 97% in budget plan on: March 07, 2017, 07:42:43 am
Here comes the Asian carp infestation.

$hit. I hadn't even thought of that, but as Uncle Joe would say that's a big fycking deal.

Likely the only real way to stop them would be to reverse the flow of the river and restore it to the way it used to be. Chicago would likely throw a fit though but it's for the best.

That would require a damming of the St. Clair River near Port Huron, Michigan, raising the level of the Lakes Huron and Michigan, which would inundate some territory That would also require the building of locks at Port Huron/Sarnia. Lakes Huron and Michigan (they really are one basin with a narrow-but-deep strait between them) have flowed into the Mississippi drainage basin, the drainage divide going through Chicago.       
150  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 07, 2017, 07:24:32 am

So for the first time we have a poll that must be rejected because it comes from a union, trade association, political campaign, or advocacy group.
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