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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 14, 2017, 03:17:07 pm
Figuring that we some of the polling is three-day composites... things could get worse for approval ratings.

27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump, just now: Military action not off the table for Venezuela on: August 14, 2017, 11:57:06 am
People who thought that Trump, whose appropriation of paleoconservative rhetoric during the campaign was blatantly disingenuous, was going to be a non-interventionist in office deluded themselves. Even if you ignore his statements about "killing [the terrorists'] families", the fact of the matter is that right-wing nationalism has always gone hand-in-hand with jingoism.

The Mossad, probably the last foreign secret service that I would want as an enemy, makes a big point of leaving wives and children alone.

We could at least be that decent. 
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 14, 2017, 11:19:51 am
Social unrest is not good for approval of a political leader. We shall see how this goes in statewide polling, paucity of which as we have.
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's tweets are unstable, ridiculous & not worth the leader of any country on: August 14, 2017, 10:31:27 am

For the past few weeks I've been reading posts here about Trump, and I've even started writing posts in reply, but then I delete them. I'm getting to the point where I have heard it all. Trump can still surprise me with his newest antics, but I'm starting to turn it all off.

We all know he's full of the hottest air of anyone alive and that his ego is as big as his a**, and he is certainly not fit to be President of this country, but unfortunately his IS our President.

I find myself walking around shaking my head and sighing all the time now. I have no words to describe how I feel inside with regards to our dear leader.

And I'm sighing and shaking my head right now, not knowing how to end this post.

I too find him numbing  in the sense that Beavis and Butthead cartoons or the political commentary of Sean Hannity numbs me. I can always find more to document but it becomes repetitious. Why do I need more evidence? It's almost like being in Orwell's 1984; Orwell tells exactly what one needs to know and one knows everything but how it can end. More detail would simply depress a reader even more. 

Others are trying to evade the decisions of this President, the exceptions his cultist True Believers. But we have the Inner Party and the Outer Party already, with the Other Party rendered superfluous.
30  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Voting rights bills and lawsuits megathread (Updated: July 24th) on: August 14, 2017, 10:20:07 am
I'm guessing that many of the felonies are deeds that do not indicate unsuitability for voting:

marijuana possession
drunk driving
failure to pay child support
31  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 14, 2017, 02:33:22 am
After Trump's response to Charlottesville, I predict that he'll go below 35% in Gallup sometime in the coming week.

I dunno...depends on what portion of that 35% supports the Neo-nazis.

As late as the 1990s, when there were WWII vets in the Klan in large numbers, Nazi allusions were unwelcome in the Klan. Although Nazis and Klansmen are fascists with similar objects of hatred (including blacks and Jews), WWII vets in the Klan had no place for Nazism.

That is over. There aren't enough WWII vets to keep Klan groups from adopting Nazi  ideological traits, including the use of the word "Aryan".  

There aren't more than about 10K members of Klan groups and 10K members of neo-Nazi groups, with some significant overlaps.


I don't know if there would be a lot of crossover between the KKK and Neo Nazi groups. The South has the most KKK members and the South is the most hawkish nationalistic part of the country.  I would bet a lot of KKK members have a grandfather who fought in WW2 against the Nazis. That chest thumping militarism would not be very supportive of one of America's enemies.

The Klan is no longer so firmly Southern. For people who believe its racist agenda, Nazism may have been objectionable more as something exotic (German!) or anti-American. But this said, Nazism is no longer German (Nazi ideology, slogans, and symbols are illegal in Germany. Military museums that show a WWII aircraft mute the swastika, and model aircraft for sale in Germany do not have swastika decals.  But I have seen Confederate flags well to the north of the Mason-Dixon Line (and not associated with re-enacting the Civil War)... and I have seen people try to equate Abraham Lincoln with Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin. 

People with so cranky an ideology as Ku Kluxism no longer care that their late grandfather fought Hitler. Nazi racism is close to Klan racism, even down to Holocaust denial. Does anyone want to find out whether "Jewish Lives Matter" in a Klan-dominated America? There are just too many blacks to process through gas chambers; after all, the Klan would be content with the restoration of race-based slavery. If one has nothing more to be proud of than being white, then the Klan or neo-Nazism just might be of interest. Proud to be white? I would have had no qualms about marrying and having children by a Filipina or Vietnamese wife and having children who can do partial differential equations. Proud of "white culture"? Someone who knows Michelangelo, J S Bach, and Dostoevsky well enough has far more to be proud of than "whiteness".

The Klan and neo-Nazis would probably murder me for my ridicule of them.

32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Memoriam. Heather Heyer murdered protesting against hate in Charlottesville on: August 14, 2017, 12:02:39 am
She's just a social justice warrior who drove someone with economic anxiety to madness. She is exactly why Trump won and why Democrats will lose 100 seats next year /sarc

Projection much. Attacking the dead already?

You missed the irony. Even with Asperger's I could catch that one.
33  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Would Charlottesville have faded away without the car attack? on: August 14, 2017, 12:00:57 am
Without the murder this event would have faded away. There could be federal as well as state charges.

At the next Alt-Right rally you will reasonably expect to see pictures of Heather Heyer among counter-protesters.
34  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: European diplomat: Trump is 'obsessed with Obama.' on: August 13, 2017, 11:56:36 pm
Sounds like Obama with bush.

No. Obama simply undid the damage to the extent possible. He did  not need to mention his predecessor when so doing. 

What could Dubya do? He was extremely unpopular by 2009, practically becoming a recluse. Nobody asked him for expertise. He did not campaign for people while President.

Except that President Obama dares not undercut the foreign policy of President Trump, he still has far more credibility. Except that the current President demonizes him (someone more competent would recognize his merits as President because those are well known) he can do much damage to President Trump -- like campaigning for Democrats who might be in electoral trouble.  He can make speeches that remind us of what a good President is.

A different Republican (Kasich? Romney? Jeb Bush?) might see him useful in foreign policy. He has cozy relations with the military and the intelligence services.   
35  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Memoriam. Heather Heyer murdered protesting against hate in Charlottesville on: August 13, 2017, 03:09:00 pm
We have an eternal face for the anti-fascist struggle that can encompass people from Marxists to conservatives.
And they have over 200 in France alone to justify making Europe homogeneous in the name of the "Islamic conquest."

Personally I think it's wrong to stand on dead people to push an ideology

It is to show her as a victim of an offensive, objectionable ideology. See also the people that Dylann Roof murdered. Think also of the fellow dragged to death by a pair of KKK thugs.

The difference? She's a pretty white girl. She too can be killed, this time for opposing a sordid ideology. 


36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 13, 2017, 02:57:11 pm
10K each, except for allowing some overlap. Charlottesville is within a day's drive from places about as far away as Wisconsin, Missouri, and Louisiana for American fascists, many of whom generally avoid the Klan and the Nazis. After all there are some more 'sophisticated' people in the Alt Right who proclaim a more 'theoretical' basis of white supremacy.

This was apparently a big event for them.

Of course this is nothing like the Million Man March, the Women's March on Washington, or even the national Tea Party rallies. There will probably be more people making travels of more than 200 miles to witness the Great Eclipse of 2017 a week from Monday, for that matter, for what will be a largely apolitical event (although I can imagine people trying to exploit it for political purposes).
37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Memoriam. Heather Heyer murdered protesting against hate in Charlottesville on: August 13, 2017, 02:45:57 pm
We have an eternal face for the anti-fascist struggle that can encompass people from Marxists to conservatives.
38  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 13, 2017, 12:52:59 pm
After Trump's response to Charlottesville, I predict that he'll go below 35% in Gallup sometime in the coming week.

I dunno...depends on what portion of that 35% supports the Neo-nazis.

There aren't more than about 10K members of Klan groups and 10K members of neo-Nazi groups, with some significant overlaps.

There will be people who believe that those who got hurt or killed had it coming... but political violence is held in extreme contempt in America. People who get the news will figure out what is going on and recognize the Alt-Right for an intent to stir up trouble and getting it.

People who already see Donald Trump as a weak or malign leader will not be convinced otherwise with some hollow condemnation of these deeds. 
39  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Joe Manchin eyed for Energy Secretary on: August 12, 2017, 09:30:31 am
He's not stupid enough to take a Cabinet position in a Trump administration.

Surely he understands the consequences of being in a cabinet with war criminals.

Wut?

Somebody in a position of high responsibility who publicizes a willingness to do a war of aggression is already a war criminal. This makes diplomatic bullying (cede this territory or we will invade your country) a crime against peace as shown in the Nuremberg trials.
40  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Joe Manchin eyed for Energy Secretary on: August 12, 2017, 09:07:02 am
Senator Manchin is not a friend of Big Oil.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Joe Manchin eyed for Energy Secretary on: August 12, 2017, 08:44:30 am
He's not stupid enough to take a Cabinet position in a Trump administration.

Surely he understands the consequences of being in a cabinet with war criminals.
42  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Joe Manchin eyed for Energy Secretary on: August 12, 2017, 08:42:53 am
With the Dem party losing everywhere and dying it would make great sense for Manchin to flee the sinking ship.

If it is dying, then its death is a murder by people who want America to be the sort of country in which the many suffer greatly for economic elites responsible only to themselves.
43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Ron Johnson Suggests Brain Tumor Affected McCain's Vote on: August 12, 2017, 08:40:10 am
How did this guy get reelected? All the polls showed him losing by substantial margins.

...If Donald Trump got elected dishonestly, so did this guy.

Wisconsin is practically a dictatorship under Scott Walker.
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Indiana Republicans continue early voting shenanigans in Democratic areas on: August 12, 2017, 05:34:32 am
Evidence that Indiana is a poorer version of Kansas.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump, just now: Military action not off the table for Venezuela on: August 12, 2017, 05:31:04 am
Like with the North Korea situation, I still assume that Donald Trump is all not talk and no action. He's someone who likes to appear as the tough guy, while in fact he's quite the opposite. In that way, he's probably representative for many of his (middle-aged white male) voters.

As opposed to Barack Obama, who thinks much, talks little (but effectively), and strikes suddenly and forcefully.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Torch-bearing white nationalists march ahead of alt-right rally on: August 12, 2017, 05:27:57 am
My computer speakers are down... I wonder whether people were using a tune to which the lyrics began

"Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihe fest erschlossen!"

(The [Nazi] flag raised high/ our ranks in tight formation!)

(the infamous Horst-Wessel Lied   banned in all parts of Germany and Austria since 1945 as an expression of Nazism)

I'm surprised that the Klan never adopted that tune. 

Torchlight parades? Hitler recognized that political rallies at night better impress tired, receptive crowds. Note well that the typical Klan rally is staged at night and has a "cross-lighting" ceremony. 
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Half of GOP would support postponing 2020 election if Trump asked. on: August 12, 2017, 03:50:18 am
I'm not gonna put this at face value, since I've heard Nate Silver say that in these kinds of polls, respondents might just pick the "pro-Trump" answer. It doesn't necessarily mean they would want to actually postpone the election.

This said, people who think it OK to postpone an election because their beloved leader might lose it fail to understand that that initiates dictatorships. Dictatorships either have no elections (like Qaddafi) or have rigged ones (like the Kim dynasty in North Korea)

Maybe we Americans have been utter naifs about politics because the political system served us so well for so long and successfully shielded most of us (blacks in the Jim Crow South obviously excepted) from the worst of political tendencies. Thus the likes of Senators Joseph R. McCarthy, Jesse Helms, and Governor Paul LePage didn't hurt us that badly. That is over! 

People who believe the lies of the current President are capable of believing anything, including that the President with the most contempt ever for democratic norms exemplifies democracy in its purest and most wonderful form. Note well that such types as fascist butchers Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, Marxist-Leninist butcher Josef Stalin and Mao Zedong, absurdist butcher Moammar Qaddafi, and Ba'athist  butchers Hafez Assad and Saddam Hussein offered that their horrendous systems were the purest examples of democracy to have ever existed, especially in contrast to 'bourgeois' (hence, fake) democracy.

Yes, Donald Trump is as bourgeois as one could get except for his aesthetic values (he appeals to proles in part by expressing the vulgarity of people 'not corrupted by high-quality education'), but I can imagine him offering a government that represents economic interests based upon economic power as a 'true' democracy.  That's how Mussolini's Corporate State operated in practice. Don't fool yourself; there are Americans who think that the right way to do politics.

The pollster had to choose some order of questions worth asking. One is whether voter fraud is commonplace (illegal aliens voting, people voting in multiple precincts, impersonators)  and the other is some question that suggests a dead giveaway for potential support of a dictatorship.

It may be that where people are complacent about their political freedom (the USA) they are less scared of dictatorship than if they knew first hand about a dehumanizing regime. If you live in Chile or the Czech Republic, then you know about alternatives to democracy imply.  I have seen stories of people in America saying that "this reminds me of what I remember in Cuba".

But don't be fooled. Dictatorship in America will be really ugly. Maybe not as bad as Nazi Germany or "Democratic Kampuchea". Imagine political life being reduced to the elementary-level discourse that we see from President Trump. That's how politics were in Fascist Italy. Consider that dictatorial regimes tend also to dredge up the worst demons in a nation's history. We have severe inequality, some of the most militaristic tendencies in the first century of American existence (a/k/a Manifest Destiny), mob violence in the form of lynchings, and some of the most vicious racism to have ever existed. To the extent that America was a liberal democracy American political culture could mute (if not moot) such.

But people would never be sent to internment camps for their ethnic origin, religion, or political beliefs? Think of the incarceration of Japanese-Americans in a time of fear. God help us should we be able to say "Andersonville, here we come!" Sure, that was "Confederate"... but I see lots of Confederate flags outside the South -- and they are not in use in re-enactments.       
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump, just now: Military action not off the table for Venezuela on: August 12, 2017, 03:14:41 am
Not sure if that is even necessary IMO.

Oh, it's totally unnecessary. Maduro has screwed up his country enough without our help, and any action beyond sanctions on individual officials (and maybe not even that) lets him scapegoat us for his country's problems and cement the still-present Chavismo base.

This. Wtf is Trump doing? All those people who thought that he was a dove and a non-interventionist should've thought about his bloated ego. Instead of thinking like a sane person, he'll keep trying to look like the alpha male with 'tough', brainless statements. And to think we could've had a level-headed woman who can think beyond her ego.

Even Adolf Hitler offered himself as a 'man of peace'. Criminals and other evil people are liars, which explains why J. Edgar Hoover could put so much of the effort in interrogation by the FBI on finding out who the truth-tellers are and who the liars are.

War to grab resources? That's what Saddam Hussein did in an effort to take over oil-rich southwestern Iran and in turn Kuwait. Few liked the Islamic Republic of Iran, but even Fidel Castro could see something very wrong with Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait.

America becomes the new Evil Empire if it does something to Venezuela or does a pre-emptive strike upon North Korea.

President Trump  is putting America at risk of a military coup. 
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gun to your head on: August 12, 2017, 02:59:56 am
Well we do have a "Zero" Election on the way, and not a one since 1820 has ended well...ever.

Reagan did survive an assassination attempt...

1840... America voted for someone in bad health.
1860... blame Presidents from Jackson to Buchanan for first, the expansion of slavery, and second, slavery becoming a dominant power in American life.
1880... the Presidency didn't matter that much in those days.
1900... the Gilded Age was dying.
1920... America elected the definitive Empty Suit in Warren G. Harding.
1940... at least America ended up on the Right Side of History
1960... Kennedy might have been re-elected, but he might not have survived his term with so many health problems.
1980... medicine was far better suited for the assassination attempt against Ronald Reagan than for the assassination of James Garfield.
2000... Seventeen years later, Dubya seems to be in good health.
2020... Trump re-election? We could envy America in the 'Sixties. Eighteen-sixties, that is!
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Ron Johnson Suggests Brain Tumor Affected McCain's Vote on: August 12, 2017, 02:50:24 am
Senator Ron Johnson: a well-funded empty suit, a stooge who hides his subservience to the Master Class with blandness. The only good thing that you can say about him is that he doesn't get known for making outrageous statements of extremism. He isn't quite the late Jesse Helms, but he quietly votes like him. A Master-Class favorite for that, and the Master Class wants America to be 'rich' in that sort of politician.

The American political system now favors people who have 15th-century minds with 21st-century technology at their disposal. They still believe that no human suffering is in excess so long as there is an elite profit to be gained, enforced, or indulged; they just happen to like Internet access, cable TV (for Fox Propaganda Channel), and a smart phone. 

Those technological wonders will be useless when people are working 80 hours a week and spending an hour each way in commute traffic just to survive, but millions of Americans are simply to intellectually-lazy to contemplate that.
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