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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Medicare for all introduced in the House - Already has 69 Co-sponsors ! on: March 21, 2017, 01:26:16 pm
Democrats can win nothing until at least 2020; they are playing for 2020.
27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Protestors confront politicians at town halls megathread on: March 21, 2017, 12:45:48 pm
Republicans broke Town Halls in 2009-2010. Democrats literally copied their playbook.

It's probably a bad thing that getting your message heard means making this Congressman and his staff's lives a living hell for several weeks, but what can be done about it?

This is a consequence of political polarization that started about 20 years ago.  What happened to Obama and Congressional Democrats by design of the Right in 2009 and 2010 has happened to Trump and his Congressional majority. If Republicans attacked President Obama for what he was, Democrats attack Trump for what he does. It has taken much less time for Democrats to cut into Trump support.

Elected pols cannot assume that they can win 52-47 elections indefinitely without trying to cut into the 47. It is not the fault of the opposition that it does not share the core beliefs of those that they do not vote for.

The 47% of the vote against most politicians is relevant. It used to be that constituent service mattered greatly; now ideology and contributor service are  seemingly everything.

It does not help Republicans in the House and Senate that Donald Trump is so unpopular. Gardner in Colorado and Ernst in Iowa have low approval ratings. Was 2014 a freak year? Not after the 2016 election.  Of course they are not up for re-election until 2020.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 12:36:34 pm
"Asperger's" isn't a real diagnosis any more and shouldn't have been one in the first place.
I most cordially disagree.

It was an artificial division within the autism spectrum that in practice functioned as a stratification.
See, I get that, but I also think that whatever I have or had (Aspergers, "high-functioning autism", etc), is clearly different from someone who is completely nonverbal or who cannot handle certain textures, sounds, smells, or substances at all, rather than just being incredibly uncomfortable with them.

I don't know what to classify it as, and I don't want to stratify my diagnosis, but I'm unclear with how to classify it, either academically or in everyday speech. "Autism spectrum disorder" means absolutely nothing to me.

Asperger's creates poor eye contact, rigid thought, and anxiety. In a hyper-competitive environment those traits do not help one. To avoid seeming a freak I must act just to seem normal -- and that shows me as a fake. It may be a benign fake even if I am not a fraud or a liar. It has given me difficulty in relating to people. It has physical manifestations of poor balance and hyper-sensitivity to sound. I could never attend a rock concert.

I can get disability payments for it.  I can imagine life without it: I would be doing very well, thank you. Even if I knew that I had it and could make appropriate adjustments I might simply do well if I could understand my limitations instead of seeing them as character flaws.

In a world with many sociopaths and psychopaths, anyone who seems a fake is assumed to be a cheater.    
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 02:06:53 am
"Asperger's" isn't a real diagnosis any more and shouldn't have been one in the first place.
I most cordially disagree.

It was an artificial division within the autism spectrum that in practice functioned as a stratification.

I received the diagnosis late last year. I do not have the sort of autism that retards language development. I may be considered "high functioning", but... I must act as if I am on a stage just to seem normal, and that makes me seem dishonest. 

I have found that one drink is enough to dissolve the anxiety. How many people go to a therapist and get told, "Have a drink!" Alcohol is more predictable than many of the psychoactive pills which I distrust. One is enough.



Does medical marijuana help with your diagnosis?

I don't use it. 
30  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 20, 2017, 10:16:20 pm
Gallup:

Approve: 39% (+2)
Disapprove: 55 (-3)

Yeah, seems like it was just noise after all.

Eh, the overall trajectory has still be trending towards negative.

Yeah, 39% is still one of his worst numbers. We'll see.

Just when you wonder whether it can get worse for the President... it gets worse.



Gallup: 37% approve, 58% disapprove.

Sure, it could be statistical noise between days.  It isn't getting prettier. 
31  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 20, 2017, 09:04:11 pm
Here is a favorability poll of Colorado, conducted March 8-13:

http://gazette.com/hickenlooper-viewed-favorably-trump-less-so-in-new-keatingonsight-colorado-polling/article/1599330

favorable 43%
unfavorable 55%


Favorability:






Approval:






Even -- white



Blue, positive and 40-43%  20% saturation
............................ 44-47%  40%  
............................ 48-50%  50%
............................ 51-55%  70%
............................ 56%+     90%

Red, negative and  48-50%  20% (raw approval or favorability)
..........................  44-47%  30%
..........................  40-43%  50%
..........................  35-39%  70%
.......................under  35%  90%

White - tie.
 
Colors chosen for partisan affiliation.  
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 20, 2017, 08:54:30 pm
"Asperger's" isn't a real diagnosis any more and shouldn't have been one in the first place.
I most cordially disagree.

It was an artificial division within the autism spectrum that in practice functioned as a stratification.

I received the diagnosis late last year. I do not have the sort of autism that retards language development. I may be considered "high functioning", but... I must act as if I am on a stage just to seem normal, and that makes me seem dishonest. 

I have found that one drink is enough to dissolve the anxiety. How many people go to a therapist and get told, "Have a drink!" Alcohol is more predictable than many of the psychoactive pills which I distrust. One is enough.

33  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 20, 2017, 08:28:05 pm
Marquette had a Wisconsin poll in the field over the weekend, will be released on Wednesday.

Unfortunately, Marquette badly blew the 2016 election, and didn't see the thrashing that President Trump and Senator Johnson would deal to the Big Losers.

Donald Trump and other Republicans may have had a late-season surge that was not captured in polls. We shall see whether this surge has persisted in Wisconsin. A recent poll of Iowa showed Donald Trump underwater in neighboring Iowa, which has traditionally been very similar to Wisconsin in demographics and voting patterns. A hint: Senator Joni Ernst is unpopular in Iowa and will likely be fighting for her political life in 2020.

I am saying nothing about the results of  this poll until I see it.
34  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 20, 2017, 03:15:34 pm
As someone who has battled with anxiety in the past, this is absolutely disgusting.

Anxiety goes with Asperger's.

I have lived with the need to act just to seem normal enough to be presentable, but almost  nobody can act well enough to hide that one is acting.  I am probably about as good an actor as one can be without formal training, which of course is awful. I have come off as a liar so many times when I was anything but a liar.

Does anyone think that I have a story here?

Maybe I should have had some dramatic training. I can follow instructions and I can do a good job remembering my lines. With my rigidity I would be a creepy character on stage or screeen, but there are plenty of roles for creepy characters. 

 
35  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Protestors confront politicians at town halls megathread on: March 20, 2017, 01:13:53 pm
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Town halls are set up so that people of various different views can express their concerns, ask questions and hear the responses of their Member of Congress. People are not obliged to listen but if they are there to behave in such a way they prevents other audience members from hearing what they have to say then why should the Congressman be any more accommodating to those who have showed up to abuse his audience than a theatre manager would be in the same situation?

American politics (and British political life) are not as scripted as a play, concert, opera, or ballet. Even a courthouse trial of an alleged serial killer has its rules; one does not get away with such disorderly conduct as shouting "Free this innocent person" or "Just hang him!" while a trial is in session. It is more analogous to a sporting event in which one can boo the substandard performance of a star athlete.


Oh for the good old days of the 18th and 19th centuries when politics was heavily influenced by mob violence. Whata shame we don't have more of that <sarcasm>

It would be terrible if one side decided that after winning one election, then that side could then decree that political life could only go its way. People can click their heels and obey, and quit challenging the facile statements of political hacks who are to face no further meaningful challenges.

That's how Putin does things in Russia, and that is how Trump is trying to do things in America.


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Those who voted for the incumbent politician and still support him are not the only ones who have a stake in the political order.  Politics isn't entertainment even if it might have its stirring drama or even low entertainment; it is how many big questions like regulation and taxes are resolved.

If a politician is making choices insensitive to the needs and interests on behalf of either out-of-district interests or a rigid ideology, then maybe he needs to be shaken up a bit.

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That is the purpose of elections. By 'shaken up a bit' you mean having their voice drowned out, preventing people who want to hear what they have to say from hearing them, abusing and intimidating them and their supporters.

What you are saying is that it is desirable that members of the public who take part in and enjoy this kind of rowdy, abusive and antisocial behaviour should have a greater influence on politics than those that do not. I don't think that such backward forms of politics are good, we should have less of this form of politics not more. Also I wonder if you also think that its OK for the right to engage in mob behaviour if they think that elected officials are "insensitive to their needs"

It's anything but antisocial to seek redress for grievances. Politicians need to know when their majority support evaporates. I'm not suggesting that people charge the stage or assault the politician. The Right has been doing what it does not accept from the Left. When conscience meets a politician that goes bad due to deceit, corruption, or fanaticism, then conscience wins or freedom erodes.  It takes time. We have rigidly-scheduled elections in America. We do not have the parliamentary vote of no confidence.

I'm beginning to believe that the British system would work better here than does ours. We rejected a British-style parliament because the British Parliament of the time of George III was full of his lackeys, many from the 'rotten boroughs'. That is over. Donald Trump would not win a vote of no confidence today.

Don't you find it troubling that he admires Vladimir Putin more than he admires Margaret Thatcher?  

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If you like staged politics in which the people simply do as their (fraudulently) elected officials and the puppeteers behind them tell them to tell us to do, then you support a dictatorship.

There is no worse form of dictatorship than pure mob rule.

Nobody is calling for a lynching. We want our politicians to know that we no longer like their political priorities. We want them to realize that they can be defeated in the next election, and we want their constituents to recognize that, too.

Right-leaning protesters against Barack Obama were scared that he was establishing a permanent majority. Left-leaning protesters today may be scared of dictatorial tendencies of the President.

Nobody has an obligation to remain silent about political trends when they get ominous.  
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 20, 2017, 12:56:07 pm
Marquette had a Wisconsin poll in the field over the weekend, will be released on Wednesday.

The poll that I most want to see.
37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 20, 2017, 10:48:04 am
Here's news that can blow up against Republicans in one state that the Republican party practically owns. Don't be surprised if Republican support implodes in South Carolina:

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An investigation into corruption at the Statehouse has taken aim at South Carolinaís command-and-control center Ė a network of power brokers and lawmakers who, if the allegations are true, milked the system of hundreds of thousands of dollars by skirting the stateís loose ethic laws.

The probe, led by special prosecutor David Pascoe, has the potential to challenge the stateís political power structure in ways even deeper than the Lost Trust sting in the 1990s.

Though scandalous, the Lost Trust cases targeted lawmakers who could be bought with small amounts of money Ė lawmakers who held relatively little power in the General Assembly.

http://www.postandcourier.com/features/targets-of-influence-investigation-zeroes-in-on-how-money-and/article_0049f2be-0b43-11e7-9c24-5feb8d6a203b.html
38  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Protestors confront politicians at town halls megathread on: March 20, 2017, 10:25:13 am
Pbrowera2a

If a group of people went to the performance of a play with the intention of shouting at the actors, screaming insults heckling and interrupting it would be recognised that this was an abuse of those audience members who had come to watch and listen to the production and who would be unable to do so because of this behaviour. Further more one wouldn't expect the theatre managers to tolerate such abuse of their audience.

But politics is not a Shakespeare play or a Broadway musical (or an opera, ballet, or musical concert) in which people expect to be entertained and then go on their way.

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Town halls are set up so that people of various different views can express their concerns, ask questions and hear the responses of their Member of Congress. People are not obliged to listen but if they are there to behave in such a way they prevents other audience members from hearing what they have to say then why should the Congressman be any more accommodating to those who have showed up to abuse his audience than a theatre manager would be in the same situation?

American politics (and British political life) are not as scripted as a play, concert, opera, or ballet. Even a courthouse trial of an alleged serial killer has its rules; one does not get away with such disorderly conduct as shouting "Free this innocent person" or "Just hang him!" while a trial is in session. It is more analogous to a sporting event in which one can boo the substandard performance of a star athlete. Those who voted for the incumbent politician and still support him are not the only ones who have a stake in the political order.  Politics isn't entertainment even if it might have its stirring drama or even low entertainment; it is how many big questions like regulation and taxes are resolved.

If a politician is making choices insensitive to the needs and interests on behalf of either out-of-district interests or a rigid ideology, then maybe he needs to be shaken up a bit.

If you like staged politics in which the people simply do as their (fraudulently) elected officials and the puppeteers behind them tell them to tell us to do, then you support a dictatorship.
39  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 20, 2017, 10:06:39 am
I have Asperger's. Medicaid covered me so that I could get a diagnosis that gave me cause to shuck off much guilt over underachievement and deal with anxiety in a time in which I had a combination of grief and despair. Without such a diagnosis and subsequent help I might have killed myself.

That is a rather mild condition, but it did mess up my life badly. Of course it might be thoroughly rational to put people into a position of deciding on economic grounds whether to kill oneself and leave the world to people who have something to live for or to struggle with reality and make some contribution to it.

If one is pro-life with respect to abortion one must be pro-life with respect to giving people the aid that can make them capable of choosing to live and make clear contributions to the community in which they live.

I said some very ominous things about life and its meaning... and I am just lucky that some wise people treated that as seriously as if I showed signs of having a stroke or heart attack.
40  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump rolls back protections for people in default on student loans on: March 20, 2017, 09:58:59 am
Underrated story here that underscores how stupid the Trump Administration is. Why undermine efforts to make student loans easier to repay when all that money then goes into the economy instead of debt collectors?

The Trump WH doesn't and traditional Republican White Houses don't get that it's the small things that'll add up to big changes. And consequently the better you ace the small stuff like this the better your political coalition is.

Anyway expect this storyline to have a bigger impact down the road. The debt bubble only increases ...

It also can discourage potential students from taking necessary and appropriate risks for starting out in life. The 'pound of flesh' that a creditor demands as collateral is a good reason for youth deciding to stay in the parental abode indefinitely and hold on for dear life to jobs in retail and food service. Ideally those jobs are stopgaps  that people give up for something with a real paycheck. Such is not good for economic growth.

Maybe the best path is for bright kids to take short-term, low-cost, low-yield vocational schooling that teaches them how to do hairdressing, bartending, auto body repair, or the like so that they can work their way through college and not be heavily in debt.  Truth be told, 23-year-old kids who have gone straight through K-12 schooling and then college are not ready to lead much of anything no matter how brilliant except in authoritarian settings such as fast food or the military.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 20, 2017, 09:49:03 am
http://www.fayobserver.com/news/20170319/inside-politics-high-point-poll-says-55-percent-disapprove-of-trump

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Most North Carolinians continue to disapprove of President Donald Trumpís job performance, according to a poll released late last month by High Point University following his address to a joint session of Congress.

The survey says 55 percent disapprove of Trumpís work so far; 36 percent approve. This is similar to a survey done in early February, when 36 percent approved, but 52 disapproved of his performance.
http://www.fayobserver.com/news/20170319/inside-politics-high-point-poll-says-55-percent-disapprove-of-trump

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Most North Carolinians continue to disapprove of President Donald Trumpís job performance, according to a poll released late last month by High Point University following his address to a joint session of Congress.

The survey says 55 percent disapprove of Trumpís work so far; 36 percent approve. This is similar to a survey done in early February, when 36 percent approved, but 52 disapproved of his performance.


It is an old poll, but it does replicate an earlier finding. Ouch!

Also telling:

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The survey said 61 percent of residents disapproved of Congress.

Typical of a throw-the-bums-out scenario. A midterm election in which the President and a Congressional majority of the same Party as the President are both unpopular? Republicans obviously can't lose their Congressional majority in a midterm election because President Trump and the GOP majority in Congress are somehow charmed.  Right?

It's already much worse than for Obama and his Congressional majority in 2009.

Favorability:




Probably our best approximation until about March.


Approval:






Even -- white



Blue, positive and 40-43%  20% saturation
............................ 44-47%  40%  
............................ 48-50%  50%
............................ 51-55%  70%
............................ 56%+     90%

Red, negative and  48-50%  20% (raw approval or favorability)
..........................  44-47%  30%
..........................  40-43%  50%
..........................  35-39%  70%
.......................under  35%  90%

White - tie.
 
Colors chosen for partisan affiliation.  

*National poll, and not a state poll -- the national poll is much more flattering to the President, who is shown in deep trouble in that state, and is likely closer to reality.



42  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arkansas plans to execute eight men over a period of 10 days on: March 20, 2017, 02:22:46 am
Eventually the states will turn to nitrogen asphyxiation which has the following characteristics:

1. It's quick and reliable

2. It's painless

3. It involves no disfiguring of the body

4. It gives no warning (although a scent could be added -- choice of the condemned... maybe cinnamon? something floral? new car?) 

5. It leaves no toxic residues except for the emissions of the condemned (unlike cyanide)

6. Nobody has to search for a vein (a problem with addicts)

7. The gas is easy to buy or concentrate (just remove the oxygen -- a nitrogen-argon mixture with a little water vapor would be fine.
43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 20, 2017, 01:01:18 am
But for we know, he might try to engineer a another mid size or bigger war to make him a hero or "the horse in midstream" or creates a bubble to postpone the downturn until 21 or 22.

Considering how "competently" he has run things so far, he'll probably lose any war he starts.
"Mister President, you started the war in North Korea with a 30% approval rating. Today's Gallup has you at 12%. Meanwhile 30,000 US troops have been killed and over 200,000 South Korean civilians are dead too. What do you have to say to the American people?"

"You know what? I gave the orders to do the job, and do it right, to the generals, and they screwed up. They didn't take out Kim Jong Un. It's all on them, believe me, it really is."

"But the CIA claims they told you there was a lack of reliable intelligence on Kim's location, and you simply told the military to strike wherever they guess he was. And that was like a cat in the pigeons, so to speak. The North Koreans then responded by firebombing Seoul."

"And because they yuugely screwed up, I fired the generals live on TV. It's all on them. Not on me. And if you excuse me I have another round of golf to play."

Continuation:

The generals fire him in a coup, using the 25th Amendment as a pretext. He is arrested for war crimes, and given a choice to either vacate America or stand trial as a war criminal. Transported to Reagan International Airport, he awaits a scheduled flight of Aeroflot  to Moscow. A dacha near Moscow is better than a prison cell in the Disciplinary Barracks in Leavenworth.


44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Donald Trump refuses to shake Angela Merkel's hand, makes mean faces at her on: March 20, 2017, 12:03:12 am
Everytime liberals get cocky, I remember that the map of the U.S. is all red with a couple irrelevant "diverse" blue stains here and there.

The American population is heavily concentrated in those "blue stains" that include Greater Boston, New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore-Washington, Orlando, Miami, Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo-Toledo, Chicago,  Indianapolis, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio...

People live where the concrete and asphalt are, and not where the cow pastures, cacti, forests,   and cotton fields are.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US states consider laws allowing Creationism to be taught by science teachers on: March 19, 2017, 11:53:32 pm
Of course this needs to be allowed.

Er, what? Why?

I doubt that he saw this:

A science teacher who teaches creationism is teaching something other than science. Such a teacher might as well be teaching astrology.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US states consider laws allowing Creationism to be taught by science teachers on: March 19, 2017, 07:44:41 pm
A science teacher who teaches creationism is teaching something other than science. Such a teacher might as well be teaching astrology.
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arkansas plans to execute eight men over a period of 10 days on: March 19, 2017, 07:43:34 pm
The death penalty is so barbarous a practice and so capricious in use that it cannot have a deterrent effect.

48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If you were President, how would you handle N. Korea? on: March 19, 2017, 05:01:07 pm
Talk with China. Be prepared to deal North Korea to China in the event that any North Korean missile with a trajectory leading to the USA goes over Chinese airspace.
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: March 19, 2017, 04:50:10 pm
Are there state polls? I liked the old Obama approval map.

Last one is on page 45

I look forward to adding a 'new' state to the map or even revising an 'old' state. States that for which I most want to see a poll:

Colorado
Ohio
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Georgia
Missouri
Nevada
Maine

PPP had a poll of the 1st Congressional District of Wisconsin, and it didn't look so great for either Donald Trump or for the Congressman who looks a lot like Dracula. We might also have some interesting results for some Gubernatorial and Senate races.

Approval in the high 30s?  If such be so, then I would expect significant losses in support for President Trump in states that Bill Clinton or even Jimmy Carter used to win (if only in 1976) or even in states that haven't gone for a Democratic nominee for President since 1964.

These low ratings have happened without an economic meltdown, a diplomatic calamity, a military debacle, or the bungling of a national disaster. God help us should "The Big One (an earthquake)" strike California.

All House seats are up for grabs in 2018.
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Protestors confront politicians at town halls megathread on: March 19, 2017, 04:35:37 pm

"Rent-a-mob"? Not on your life.

I'll grant you that most of these protestors will not be paid to be their. Those organising and directing the protests will be paid of course but most of the rest will be the kind of people who engage in this kind of anti-social 'activism' for a hobby.

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The pols in question could prepare to meet the valid criticism of the Other Side. Politicians who can't defend their positions aren't up to the job. Maybe they had huge backing from out-of-district, let alone out-of-state interests who see government strictly as a means of enriching a few well-heeled plutocrats. Someone getting all of his guidance from corporate lobbyists isn't paying attention to his constituents. So long as we have geographic districts, our politicians need to serve constituents.

Deciding who gets to address him? It is reasonable to ask that those who ask the questions be from his district. If I am from Ohio or even from some other district of Michigan and have a concern about global warming on the ground that global warming might hurt crop yields, then I am the wrong person to ask the question. So if someone from Grand Rapids (not in his district)  asks that question, then he has cause to not answer it. 

On the other side, if that Representative is simply answering easy questions from supporters he is neglecting many of the people that he does not claim to represent, namely people who did not vote for him. Tough luck! He is stuck with such people. 
 
I notice that those who engage in this kind of behaviour will frequently claim to be the voice of 'the people'. They are not, they represent themselves. The purpose of a townhall meeting is to allow constituents who want to learn his views on various issues to ask him questions, express their concerns and to hear what he has to say in response. The purpose is not to allow organised groups of far left activists to disrupt and hijack the event and turn it in to their own event.

Other people don't show up to these events so they can spend their time listening to loudmouth leftists rant and speak their brainz. If they had wanted to do that they could have just stayed at home and watched TV. As I said the Congressman is a big boy and part of his job is putting up with being heckled by these kind of people. However he has a responsibility to the majority of his constituents not to allow this kind of people wreck his townhalls for everybody else.

I love how the right hates free speech. Sad! Triggered People!

Freedom of speech is fundamentally about the freedom to listen. Left wing activists have the freedom to speak and to give others the opportunity to chose to listen to what they have to say. However freedom of speech doesn't mean that others are obliged to listen to what you have to say. Many may chose to listen to what someone else has to say instead.

That isn't good enough for these left wing 'activists'. It isn't enough that they have plenty of platforms that give people the opportunity to listen to them if they want to. Because that means that many millions of people will chose to ignore what they have to say and go listen to what someone else, for example a Republican Congressman, has to say instead. These foaming at the mouth 'activists'  hate this, which is why they like to do things like this, shouting their opponents down and forcing an unwilling audience to listen to what is on their brainz rather than listen to the speaker they chose to listen to.

It is this that lies at the heart of these far leftist's hatred of free speech.

Freedom of speech implies also the right to choose to what we listen. Freedom of speech does not imply the right to a sympathetic audience. Such people as superior officers in the military, teachers in a school and (with the recognition that anyone has the practical right to quit) bosses at work might have the prerogative to compel others to listen simply to receive commands, but even that power comes with commands from someone 'higher'. But that is as far as it goes. Ideally the elected official does not get the right to command me to believe something that I find abominable any more than I have the obligation to believe some lunatic ranting some expression of extreme self-righteousness. In a country in which people have the obligation to heed certain authorities on political issues, freedom and command are practically identical.

Do I have the right to command that you listen to Schubert's Octet for Winds and Strings? no. But I am  free to suggest it. (It is worth the time, nearly an hour, I assure you).  If I am reasonably good at persuasion I might convince you to listen to so delightful a piece of music.   

Now, do I have an obligation to hold unqualified faith that Donald Trump is the most wonderful leader that America has ever had? Hell no! People on the Right had no such obligation with Obama as President. You can tell me that Obama is the Devil's choice and that Trump is God's choice, for  I can turn that on its head.

Congressional Representatives who tell that an audience that the 47% of the electorate who 'failed' to vote for them are amoral, ignorant, or stupid for having 'failed' to vote for them deserve to be called to account. They have no right to a compliant audience, and if they insist upon that they get a reputation for arrogance. 

There are practically no definitive truths in political discourse. There is only a transitory reality that can result from electoral politics, and there is precedent. 
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