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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: William Jennings Bryan vs Bill Clinton on: Today at 10:40:47 am

He's an interesting (and rather rare) example of someone who lost a presidential election despite being the 'star' of it...or perhaps *because* he was the star of it.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Hillary Clinton? on: Today at 10:35:39 am
Not a good politician.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Also-Ran vs Running Mate Round 1992: Perot vs Stockdale on: Today at 10:22:57 am
Stockdale (normal).
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Rod Blagojevich/Edwin Edwards 2020 on: Today at 06:51:09 am
Democrats need to shake off their sleazy image, so what better ticket to put up than this one?
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Michael Heseltine on: Today at 05:22:26 am
Had the potential to be worse than Thatcher.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: February 26, 2017, 07:47:39 pm
An interesting character for sure. RIP.

Following the 2015 general election, four MPs (Kaufman, Meacher, Skinner and Clarke) were tied for the longest continuous service with all having first been elected in 1970. Two of those have since passed away (Meacher of course being the other).
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ayn Rand vs. Vladimir Lenin on: February 26, 2017, 11:53:18 am
One of these is a bloodthirsty maniac who has a desire to do away with all political opponents.

The other is Vladimir Lenin.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Which of these is a better indicator of cuckery? on: February 26, 2017, 11:33:08 am
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Bill Paxton dead at 61 on: February 26, 2017, 11:06:47 am
2017 isn't looking any better in this regard is it? RIP.

10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair? on: February 26, 2017, 06:26:30 am
Just further proof that the Democratic Party is inherently racist.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Make the Democrats Great Again! on: February 25, 2017, 01:49:06 pm

I'm Wolf Blitzer, and we have breaking news. CNN had now project that Donald Trump, the billionaire property tycoon and TV personality, has won the Iowa Democratic caucus. Meanwhile, we can also project that Mike Huckabee has won the Iowa Republican caucus over Mitt Romney.

Final results:

Trump - 25.2%
Obama - 20.8%
Clinton - 18.8%
Edwards - 17.1%
Dodd - 6.7%
Richardson - 5.5%
Biden - 3.3%
Kucinich - 2.7%

Huckabee - 27.7%
Romney - 25.6%
Paul - 15.9%
McCain - 12.5%
Thompson - 9.7%
Giuliani - 8.4%
Hunter - 0.1%

From Game Change:

The Iowa results were no less than historic. Donald Trump had pulled off a win (which was actually predicted to be a double digit one in the entrance polls) that no one had seen coming; even the highly respected Selzer poll had him in third place. For John Edwards, who had set a minimum target of a top three Iowa finish, it was the end of the line. Hillary Clinton's campaign looked vastly damaged, and Barack Obama's campaign breathed a sigh of relief and took the view that he might now be best-placed to emerge as the establishment's favorite.

On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee's victory was expected, but it appeared that he had leaked support to the anti-war libertarian Ron Paul. Paul had piggybacked off the populist insurgency of Donald Trump in the other caucus and was now being talked about by the mainstream media.

Trump victory speech:

People of Iowa, I love you. You have backed DONALD J. TRUMP in yuge numbers and rejected...let's see...LANKY BARACK *boos*, CROOKED HILLARY *boos*, PRETTY BOY JOHN *boos*, DEMENTED DODD *boos*, FAT BOY BILL *boos*, DUMBASS JOE *boos*, CRAZY DENNIS *boos*. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Make the Democrats Great Again! on: February 25, 2017, 01:22:10 pm
From Game Change:

As Christmas 2007 approached, the Democratic picture was clear. Hillary Clinton with a clear lead over Barack Obama. Meanwhile, Donald Trump's campaign, despite its seeming lack of organization and gravitas, was beginning to enter double digits in the national polls, and was on the heels for second place in New Hampshire. Trump was running both as something of an old school Democrat - appealing to white working-class union members and advocating a 'New New Deal', and also as a right-wing populist with his focus on immigration reduction. In some quarters he was now being seem as the true alternative to Clinton, despite still running in a distant third place. Meanwhile, Obama's campaign had lost its message and momentum in the midst of the Trump-Clinton bickering, and John Edwards' national numbers had collapsed with many of his supporters switching to Trump.

December 29th, 2007:
In just a few days from now, you Iowans, the great, fantastic people of Iowa...I love you all so much...will help to make this party and this country GREAT AGAIN!

13  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are there Any Politicians with Autism/Aspergers? on: February 25, 2017, 12:14:59 pm
How about (somewhat less controversially) those least likely to be so?

Donald Trump
Bill Clinton
Ronald Reagan
Andrew Jackson
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would Nigel Farage be a Green Party member in the US? on: February 25, 2017, 09:41:57 am
Certainly the U.S. Greens are better suited to him than our own (which have kind of given the impression of being a leftier version of the Lib Dems since last June).
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 25, 2017, 09:34:57 am
Well they only a got a few hundred less which is an extremely good performance for a by-
election. You can't seriously be suggesting that every voter that voted Tory in 2015 turned out and they didn't gain any voters from elsewhere... It is pretty clear that the Tories gained heavily at the expense of UKIP which is why they won (look at national polling if you don't believe me). As for Labour sure some of their voters sat home but probably not a particularly different proportion to the amount of 2015 Tory voters who didn't vote.

I wasn't suggesting that, but to go down by over 5,000 is highly unusual (and poor) for an opposition party in a by-election. Though admittedly if you add 3,000 to the Labour total (i.e. enough for victory) it would have entailed an unusual high turnout for a by-election.

Labour will probably perform best in at the next election in places where there is very little 2015 UKIP vote to speak of (the Tories main pool of new voters). For example Labour would probably stand a chance at holding Hampstead and Kilburn (Tory target seat 11) even in a nationwide meltdown for example. Anywhere with large Green votes should deliver reasonable performances too, though unfortunately for them the Green vote is very low in most Con-Lab marginals.

The worst thing from Labour's POV is that (as things stand) the marginals of the Midlands and certain parts of the North will swing even further to the Tories - and of course they already swung pretty heavily to them in both 2010 and 2015. Nuneaton (now seen as the quintessential Lab-Con marginal) could deliver a five-figure Tory majority for example.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Generational Identities on: February 25, 2017, 08:50:11 am
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum's least favorite President on: February 25, 2017, 07:57:16 am
John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, and Franklin Pierce all say hi.

Nah, Woodrow Wilson has long been the traditional answer on here (and indeed across much of the political internet). Those you mention are probably regarded as lesser presidents than him, but Wilson has always received the greatest amount of open hate. It helps that he generally ranks quite highly in historians' presidential rankings while those others are consistently near the bottom, hence it's much more fun to bash him.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 25, 2017, 07:43:47 am
The Tories got less votes in Copeland on Thursday than they did in 2015. As I said before, abstention was probably the biggest issue for Labour - there's a sense of gloom starting at the PLP and going right down to the Labour-sympathetic part of the electorate.

Anyway, the BBC's weird obsession with the prettier Miliband brother continues: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39085859

This would be news if he had ever expressed the slightest sympathy for Corbynism...which he hasn't. Diane Abbott, John McDonnell, Len McCluskey or even the uglier Miliband brother making similar comments would count as news but this doesn't. Frankly if the prettier Miliband brother didn't have the political nous to win a leadership election then I highly doubt he'd have come close to beating David Cameron. Blair, of course, did have the nous to do so and won it big in 1994.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 24, 2017, 08:35:47 pm
Yeah, his ratings are pretty terrible, but I don't get the impression that people actively hate him. Although Labour might actually be better off with a leader that millions of people hate.

Ftr, I wouldn't mind replacing Corbyn, if a credible challenge (aka not like Owen Smith), emerges, and hopefully based on a challenger that has working class roots, and can recognise and adress their concerns, as a labour party,

Ah yeah, Owen Smith. That guy who managed to take a more dovish position on terrorism than Jeremy Corbyn.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Jaime Harrison drops out, endorses Perez on: February 24, 2017, 05:39:33 pm
I'm still calling racism if Ellison loses.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 24, 2017, 05:05:28 pm
What's the reason for Labour's abysmal performance in these by-elections and their national polling? Is it simply the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn? Or are there more significant factors?
People really hate Jeremy Corbyn. He might be the most unpopular political figure in Britain right now.

Nah, he's not hated, he's just not seen as being any good for the most part.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What should the Social Democratic parties do? on: February 24, 2017, 09:33:25 am
I think left-civic nationalism would be the way to go, personally. Think Peter Shore, or maybe a leftier SNP without the dodgy business connections and Europhilia.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 24, 2017, 07:55:47 am
Nice to see the left-wing commie biased BBC ignoring Copeland and focusing almost entirely on Nuttall going down in Stoke...oh wait, they are focusing on Copeland.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 23, 2017, 10:08:19 pm
Factoring in national polling this wasn't a terrible night for labour

Er, we held on in Darlington in 1983 when the polls were absolutely atrocious, the Tories held on to several marginal seats during the 1997 parliament when our poll leads were above 20% much of the time.

This isn't good, there's no way of getting around it.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 23, 2017, 10:05:23 pm

CON 44.3 (+8.5)
LAB 37.3 (-4.9)
LD 7.3 (+3.8  )
UKIP 6.5 (-9.0)
GRN 1.7 (-1.3)

CON wins on UKIP tactical voting plus LAB bleeding support to LD.

Labour bled more support to 'abstain' than to the Lib Dems, I think.

Best result for a governing party in a post-war by-election, surely.
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