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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: January 19, 2017, 07:20:54 pm
CBS/NYT national poll, conducted Jan. 13-16:


Trump: 32% favorable, 42% unfavorable

Watch out François Hollande, your polling record may have some stiff competition soon.

A quarter of the country will approve of him no matter what, as was the case with Dubya/Nixon/Truman etc. Remember also that Hollande only had the support of about a quarter in the first round of the 2012 election.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would Scott Walker have done against Hillary Clinton on: January 19, 2017, 07:49:34 am
Would have given Hillary a chance to go more populist and hold onto PA, WI and MI, possibly OH and IA too.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: World's eight richest people have same wealth as poorest 50% on: January 19, 2017, 07:41:53 am

Quote from:  link=topic=256594.msg5478200#msg5478200 date=1484788129
Global wealth tax, now.

"B- b- b- but much nations! My countries elite have my best interest at heart!!"
Why should they have to pay a global tax? What service did a global government provide them? At least you can say that the state and national government enforced contracts and provides military and police protection, as well as education, but under what logical basis should they pay a global tax? Confiscation?

I reckon that, with globalisation, the nation state is becoming obsolete as a concept

Only, I would argue, when things are going smoothly. When things are sh**t, then it can be something that people can cling to for hope.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 1/17/17 CNN ORC Poll: Trump Approval at 40% on: January 18, 2017, 03:44:11 pm
The problem for Trump is that he is disliked as a person, not just as President.

In the last couple of years of his presidency Bill Clinton had awful favorables whilst also having very good approvals. People can appreciate a job someone is doing even if they dislike them as a person, though of course it's not likely that Trump will do a good job.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will there be a leftist version of the Tea Party? on: January 18, 2017, 02:17:30 pm
There was a 'Coffee Party' thing a few years ago IIRC.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / May/Trump/Putin vs. Churchill/Roosevelt/Stalin on: January 18, 2017, 01:47:46 pm
It's your choose.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Blair? on: January 18, 2017, 11:05:09 am
HP, really wish that Labour could find a good middle ground between Blair and Corbyn. Neither are the answer.


Thanks in large part to Blair and his adherents, Brown is now often unironically referred to as being on the left of the party by idiotic journalists.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 18, 2017, 10:33:35 am
Back in the day virtually no one smiled in photos, mainly because it took an age to set the camera up properly and take the pic and so smiling that whole time would have been a chore.

Bush the Elder perhaps had the most smiley pic:

9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump’s healthcare plan will offer ‘insurance for everybody’: report on: January 17, 2017, 10:46:46 am
Trump is no free marketeer as anyone who is aware of his pre-Obama era public statements knows, so I don't buy the argument that he'd be 'tricked' into this.

Rather it won't happen due to him not knowing the fine details of healthcare policy.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the anti-Hillary leftists happy now? on: January 17, 2017, 09:01:29 am
The candidate they (or the vast majority of them) voted for lost. Why would they be happy?
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Blair? on: January 17, 2017, 08:34:47 am
Interesting how none of the right-wingers praising him ITT are actually British...methinks they'd have despised his government just as almost every right-winger did here. It's similar to the case of American lefties claiming that Cameron is a decent guy who ran a good, moderate government.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Final pre-presidential poll: Opinion of Donald Trump on: January 16, 2017, 10:28:22 pm
There has to be something good about someone so despised by /r/politics doesn't there? I can't think of anything off hand, but surely there must be.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Blair? on: January 16, 2017, 10:24:18 pm
Not very self-aware. Ali Campbell is vastly more likeable.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Rob Portman? (R Senator from Ohio) on: January 16, 2017, 04:55:20 pm
Awful fake moderate. HP.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: With which faction of your party do you most identify? on: January 16, 2017, 10:53:29 am
Those aren't factions. DLC, Bernie Bros, County Club etc are better terms to use.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: January 16, 2017, 09:45:35 am
Stop taking the piss, guys.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Barack Obama was the best president since.... on: January 16, 2017, 09:21:08 am
Probably since LBJ or JFK. Carter was a poor president, let's not kid ourselves, even if he was less bad than almost everyone else on the list.
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: January 15, 2017, 05:04:40 pm
I can't be the only one who thinks that PM Boris might have gone for a soft(er) Brexit.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: January 15, 2017, 04:56:58 pm
As much hate as Corbyn receives (& I admit he has faults), the guy is a decent guy, as in very dignified even in attacking & he has got a really good quality voice. The other guy Owen looked a complete joke next to him!
He is a pathetic Arsenal loving Muppet thought. This football analogy has some substantive point: his brand of Labour is to national politics what Arsenal and their comedy support is to English football, a detached ridiculous London phenomena no one can see back in power.

Corbyn a London phenomena? I believe his support in the leadership elections was generally stronger outside of London than within it and he's hated (or at least seen as a complete joke) by the London media. Blairites (particularly a certain MP who is about to quit Parliament) are surely more metropolitan than Corbyn but they're supposedly more electable than him.

I'd suggest that talk about the 'metropolitan elite' is, generally speaking, a very metropolitan thing in itself. Tongue
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: January 15, 2017, 02:31:39 pm
Owen Smith managed to take a more dovish stance on terrorism than Jeremy Corbyn...
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Lief on: January 14, 2017, 01:45:36 pm
One of the better posters during this catastrophe, especially with his criticism of the Bernie movement that is sinking the Democratic Party down the drain.

I was under the impression that Obama presided over humiliating midterm losses and horrific defeats in the state legislatures. Frankly if Bernie wants to destroy the Democratic Party then he arrived a little too late to the, er, party.

Anyway, Lief is a FF for being interesting and high energy, which is more than can be said for most Dem establishment-supporting types.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. John Lewis "I do not consider the president-elect to be legitimate" on: January 14, 2017, 09:35:08 am
Maybe I am missing something here. I am all for Democrats openly resisting denouncing Trump's presidency, but the ceaseless focus on calling him "illegitimate" is just inane.

It's like the "not my president" BS. Yes he is your president (or will be in a few days), just as Putin would be your president if you were Russian. Refusing to acknowledge the fact means you won't be able to fight him as effectively.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. John Lewis "I do not consider the president-elect to be legitimate" on: January 14, 2017, 07:25:49 am
He is not legitimate in any way. He didn't win the popular vote, and he was only elected because the Russians and the FBI teamed up to deal a death-blow to Clinton, not to mention the fact that his election sent the KKK celebrating in the streets.

In reality, you can't objectively prove that Russia's interference caused Trump to win the election. That the KKK celebrated his victory also doesn't somehow deligitimize his election, despite it being disgusting. And while it's true he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes, he did win the electoral vote without any substantial indications of vote rigging. In America, whether we like it or not, the electoral college determines our President - not the popular vote.

Yeah, I mean the popular vote issue wouldn't get the attention it's getting at the moment if a more benign Republican had won.

I note that Hillary (a more authoritative voice on the matter than anyone on an obscure political forum since she, you know, is the one who suffered this fate) hasn't, as far as I'm aware, raised the issue since the election.
24  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Controversial position: There's nothing wrong with corruption in politics on: January 13, 2017, 03:05:49 pm
The most important thing (from a PR POV) isn't whether you're corrupt, it's whether you appear corrupt.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Streep tirade shows Hollywood Elite hypocrisy on: January 13, 2017, 03:00:50 pm
I question how much the 20 million dollar a picture Hollywood elite really care about the plight of the handicapped, or about the strife faced daily by the working classes and the struggling masses.

Very few people in Hollywood get $20m for one film.

But I doubt even $500,000 a film seems that much different than $20m a film to the average working-class person.

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