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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani on: Today at 03:41:53 am
"Moderate Republican" lolololololol

Basically a troll nowadays.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Grade Hillary Speech on: Today at 03:27:32 am
I'm about eight minutes in and she still hasn't said "I accept your nomination for President of the United States". If she didn't say then or if I somehow missed it then that's a cardinal sin and I have to give it the lowest grade possible. Smiley
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Obama the greatest president since FDR? on: Today at 03:20:59 am

Slightly tongue-in-cheek but there's little doubt that his Nelson Muntz performance when he visited a few months ago helped Leave.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Obama the greatest president since FDR? on: July 28, 2016, 03:11:49 pm
- Oversaw great advances in gay rights
- Passed some reasonable healthcare reform
- Avoided austerity, for the most part
- Got us out of the EU

I'd have to say yes.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International What-ifs / Re: How would you have voted? UK on: July 28, 2016, 10:22:29 am
Seeing I was young in the 2010 elections, and the fact my views shifted radically in the last year, this list would have looked pretty different at the time. In 2015 I was a year too young to vote but I was supporting UKIP very strongly. However now I imagine I'd have voted Labour reluctantly. May as well do a list...this is how I'd have voted at the time if I had the exact views I have now.

General Elections:
2015 - Labour (at the time supported UKIP)
2010 - Liberal Democrat (at time just wanted Labour out...)
2005 - Liberal Democrat (possibly Conservative)
2001 - Labour or Liberal Democrat
1997 - Labour
1992 - Labour (probably)
1987 - Tossup
1983 - Conservative (possibly)
1979 - Conservative
Feb & Oct 1974 - Labour (perhaps Liberal first time round)
1970 - Labour
1966 - Labour
1964 - Labour
1959 - Labour
1955 - Labour
1951 - Labour
1950 - Labour
1945 - Labour
1935 - Tossup
1931 - Conservative
1929 - Labour
1924 - Labour
1923 - Labour
1922 - Labour
1918 - Coalition Liberal
Dec 1910 - Liberal
Jan 1910 - Labour
1906 - Liberal or Labour
1900 - Liberal or Labour

Not sure how accurate this would really be, but generally I feel this is how I'd probably have voted. I don't particularly feel strong loyalty to any party so I'd vote on who I thought gave the best deal. But due to my not knowing the history of some of the older elections quite so well, once it goes beyond the Thatcher years (other than 1945) these are mostly guesses. Next election I see myself leaning Conservative if things stay how they are, due to the Referendum (which I voted Leave).

Referendums:
2016 - Leave (actual vote)
2011 - Yes
1975 - No (leaning)

EU Parliament:
2014 - UKIP
2010 - UKIP
2004 - UKIP
1999 - Tossup
1994 - Labour
1989 - Labour or Green
1984 - Tossup
1979 - Tossup


You like Thatcher, after voting Labour? Voting for both atlee and then tory, especially during thatcher more than twice is something

Lots of people voted for Labour in 1945 and then for Thatcher all three times, including my own grandfather ("never again" he used to say of his 1945 vote). The armed forces were a hotbed of Labour support in 1945; by the Thatcher era the WWII vets would have been of retirement age or on the brink of it.

People who have an actual ideology wouldn't, as thatcher was set on destroying all of Atlee's goals and accomplishments.

Right, so as I said...
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump's comments about Russia hurt him? on: July 27, 2016, 12:22:23 pm
As they came from Trump, no.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International What-ifs / Re: How would you have voted? UK on: July 27, 2016, 10:44:13 am
Seeing I was young in the 2010 elections, and the fact my views shifted radically in the last year, this list would have looked pretty different at the time. In 2015 I was a year too young to vote but I was supporting UKIP very strongly. However now I imagine I'd have voted Labour reluctantly. May as well do a list...this is how I'd have voted at the time if I had the exact views I have now.

General Elections:
2015 - Labour (at the time supported UKIP)
2010 - Liberal Democrat (at time just wanted Labour out...)
2005 - Liberal Democrat (possibly Conservative)
2001 - Labour or Liberal Democrat
1997 - Labour
1992 - Labour (probably)
1987 - Tossup
1983 - Conservative (possibly)
1979 - Conservative
Feb & Oct 1974 - Labour (perhaps Liberal first time round)
1970 - Labour
1966 - Labour
1964 - Labour
1959 - Labour
1955 - Labour
1951 - Labour
1950 - Labour
1945 - Labour
1935 - Tossup
1931 - Conservative
1929 - Labour
1924 - Labour
1923 - Labour
1922 - Labour
1918 - Coalition Liberal
Dec 1910 - Liberal
Jan 1910 - Labour
1906 - Liberal or Labour
1900 - Liberal or Labour

Not sure how accurate this would really be, but generally I feel this is how I'd probably have voted. I don't particularly feel strong loyalty to any party so I'd vote on who I thought gave the best deal. But due to my not knowing the history of some of the older elections quite so well, once it goes beyond the Thatcher years (other than 1945) these are mostly guesses. Next election I see myself leaning Conservative if things stay how they are, due to the Referendum (which I voted Leave).

Referendums:
2016 - Leave (actual vote)
2011 - Yes
1975 - No (leaning)

EU Parliament:
2014 - UKIP
2010 - UKIP
2004 - UKIP
1999 - Tossup
1994 - Labour
1989 - Labour or Green
1984 - Tossup
1979 - Tossup


You like Thatcher, after voting Labour? Voting for both atlee and then tory, especially during thatcher more than twice is something

Lots of people voted for Labour in 1945 and then for Thatcher all three times, including my own grandfather ("never again" he used to say of his 1945 vote). The armed forces were a hotbed of Labour support in 1945; by the Thatcher era the WWII vets would have been of retirement age or on the brink of it.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Has internet cult libertarianism morphed into cult alt right conservatism? on: July 27, 2016, 10:37:14 am
Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ideological purity or centrism? on: July 27, 2016, 10:24:12 am
Centrism in the pursuit of centrism leads to like the most corrupt parties in the western world, in my experience.

My question with regards to 'centrism in the pursuit of centrism' is always: where do you draw the line? If the centre ground of the electorate suddenly decided that the NHS is evulll communism and needs to be privatised, then would Blairites and Cameroons argue for that position for the sake of electability, or would they attempt to convince the electorate that it is mistaken? Well we know the answer (hint: the former) but the latter is vastly more desirable imo.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What would each candidate get in a 100% turnout race? on: July 27, 2016, 09:55:15 am
If under compulsory voting Trump would win as an FU to the establishment.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Was A Goldwater Girl on: July 26, 2016, 01:04:26 pm
Yes, like most people she was more of a leftie in her younger days.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ideological purity or centrism? on: July 26, 2016, 10:45:48 am
You can be both of course.
13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: 4 terror attacks/bombings/shootings in Southern Germany on: July 26, 2016, 07:33:54 am
Now a doctor at a hospital in Berlin has been shot.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: UT-04/UtahPolicy.com/Y2 Analytics: 3-way tie ! on: July 26, 2016, 06:21:29 am
29% Trump
27% Clinton
26% Johnson

How in anyway is this a tie?

MoE.

But anyway, can Trump really be that bad if he's so unpopular in *this* state? Same can be said for Hillary too probably.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Conservative Party (UK) leadership election, 2016 on: July 26, 2016, 05:20:47 am
Interesting piece of trivia: May, Davis and Fox - who hold arguably the three most important positions in the government at the present time - were all on the Lib Dems' 'decapitation strategy' list in 2005.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party (UK) Leadership Election, 2016 on: July 26, 2016, 05:18:33 am
Labour (and the Tories for that matter) should probably have left electing their party leaders with their MP's in the House of Commons.

The downside to that is...er, ask any Aussie.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie gets booed by hundreds of protesters for several minutes on: July 26, 2016, 03:42:19 am
But if they're booing Bernie can such people really be called BernieBots? I'd say the real BernieBots are those who are switching to Hillary purely because their Comrade says so.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: On a scale of 1-10, how much of a trainwreck was night one of the DNC? on: July 25, 2016, 09:52:01 pm

Problem here is that each of ye has a red avatar.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 25, 2016, 09:42:57 pm
These Bernie protesters ARE the millennial generation, folks.  This is the result of years of participation trophies and coddled feelings.  You can't tell these people no!

Supporters of Robert Taft, Eugene McCarthy, George McGovern, Reagan in '76 etc were all likely more 'passionate' than these Bernieites.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Trump takes first lead in MorningConsult Poll: Trump 44% Clinton 40% Johnson 10% on: July 25, 2016, 01:05:21 pm
All publicity is good publicity; the GOP convention was probably the most covered by the media in decades.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is TRUMPPENCE ahead now? on: July 25, 2016, 12:44:25 pm
Well it's certainly ahead of SIXPENCE (given how that was done away with in 1971ish).
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Should celebrities stay out of politics? on: July 25, 2016, 12:42:55 pm
I'm conflicted on this. I have no problem with the likes of George Clooney, Robert De Niro, Oprah Winfrey and so on getting involved in political debate.

I do however have a problem with Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan, Clint Eastwood, Shirley Temple etc getting involved.


23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: CNN/ORC national poll: Trump 48% Clinton 45% on: July 25, 2016, 05:15:01 am
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24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: "Who would fictional characters vote for?" omnibus thread on: July 24, 2016, 11:01:30 am
Let's do The Simpsons again.

Homer - White working-class male with a populist streak, somewhat homophobic and known to be quite a militant unionist when he wants to be. But has also taken a liberal streak on illegal immigrants. On balance, Trump.
Marge - Mainstream female Democrat would vote for the mainstream female Democrat. Would have supported her in the primaries too.
Bart - Likes cool things, so Sanders in the primaries. Hates authority, so wouldn't vote for either main party candidate. Probably Johnson.
Lisa - Environmentalist, feminist and SJW long before the term was coined. Lean Sanders in the primaries, reluctant Hillary supporter in the general to keep out Trump.
Abe - Thought he got money for doing nothing at all because the Democrats were in power again. Also blamed them for not being able to see his grandson. War veteran with a nostalgic streak. Clearly Trump...as long as he promises to make Matlock run on every TV network 24/7.
Mr. Burns - Republican in the Romney mould. Probably not keen on Trump's immigration stance, as he employs Mexicans himself. Would probably follow the Bushes in voting for Johnson.
Mr. Smithers - Known to lie about his political stances to please Mr. Burns. Would do so again by voting for Hillary, despite telling Burns that he'd vote for Johnson.
Moe - Secretly an illegal immigrant and possibly transgender. He'd be very vocal to the regulars at the bar about the need for a Trump presidency, but in the privacy of the polling booth he'd vote for Hillary.

25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Malik Obama Endorses Donald Trump for President on: July 24, 2016, 10:05:32 am
Akin to Piers Corbyn's support for Leave.
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