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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 31, 2015, 05:18:40 pm
Burnham gets a crucial endorsement
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 31, 2015, 01:40:42 pm

It comes bottom because there's already more specific prompts for exactly that issue:

Highest responses from Conservative voters:

Ed Miliband was not good enough as a party leader - 57%
Labour failed to admit its mistakes in the run up to the banking crisis and recession - 40%
Labour did not have a plausible policy for reducing the government’s deficit - 37%
Labour was not tough enough on immigration and welfare spending - 33%

I'd like to hear how Jeremy Corbyn is the answer to these problems.

I don't think Corbyn is the solution to Labour's problems, but I don't think the others are either. I happen to think that he is what politics in general needs: someone with clear ideas and principles, not someone who is in it for a ministerial car and daily interviews. Not that you have to be on the left of the party to be principled/have clear ideas: Frank Field clearly is/does for instance. Pretty much any and all policies (even absolutely abhorrent ones which contribute to World Wars) can be electorally successful, just so long as you package them efficiently and you are in touch with the electorate in putting them out there.  
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 31, 2015, 12:19:43 pm
A poll asking why Labour lost. Note which listed reason comes bottom.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/f4tu4iec6t/TimesLabourSurvey_Results_150720_W.pdf
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did your grandparents vote? on: July 31, 2015, 08:48:51 am
A lot of this is educated guessing:

Dad's dad:

1935 - Labour
1945 - Labour

Tory from then onwards. Probably the same for his first wife too.

Mum's dad:

1945 - Labour
1950 - Labour
1951 - Labour
1955 - Labour
1959 - Labour
1964 - Labour
1966 - Labour
1970 - Labour
Feb 1974 - Liberal
Oct 1974 - Labour
1979 - Tory
1983 - Alliance
1987 - Alliance
1992 - Labour
1997 - Labour

Mum's mum:

Labour in all. Possibly abstaining in recent elections.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 31, 2015, 08:41:20 am
He didn't voluntarily leave though.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK MPs - 2015 Parliament on: July 31, 2015, 03:59:53 am
Gavin Barwell (Conservative - Croydon Central)

Longtime Tory hack. His seat was one of the most hotly contested Lab-Con battles and he scrapped back in by 165 votes. To be fair he has worked to reduce discrimination against the mentally ill.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Who will be head of government in each of the following on Jul 30, 2020 on: July 31, 2015, 03:53:19 am
Can I ask a stupid question?  Under the fixed term legislation passed in the UK, is there any set of conceivable circumstances in which the next election there takes place earlier than May 2020?


Yes, if two-thirds of MPs back an early election. Given that Labour has more than a third of MPs and the Tories would likely only do this if a big victory looked likely...
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 31, 2015, 03:49:30 am

Well the Katie Hopkins endorsement didn't get Cameron out did it?

Cooper, btw, has now almost caught up with Burnham for second place in CLP nominations - 107 to 110. Corbyn on 145, Kendall on 18.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 30, 2015, 03:38:09 pm
Given that almost any candidate who is half a century or more old is labelled as "too old" or "past it" nowadays...

Yes, why has this happened? Why has the age range for new leaders swung to the "early forties" lately? Chuka is 36!

Yeah, I mean look the 1976 Labour slate and tell me that it isn't several worlds stronger than this one.
10  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Who will be head of government in each of the following on Jul 30, 2020 on: July 30, 2015, 03:35:17 pm
I don't want to do these anymore, every time I do things end up worse than expected.

Can't be any worse than my selection. Tongue (With the exception of my bro Corbyn o/c)
11  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Who will be head of government in each of the following on Jul 30, 2020 on: July 30, 2015, 03:32:27 pm
UK - Jeremy Corbyn
USA - Donald Trump
Canada - Stockwell Day
France - Marine Le Pen
Germany - Angela Merkel. Always Angela Merkel.  
Australia - Bob Katter
Italy - Silvio Berlusconi
Greece - Some KKE person
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Who will be head of government in each of the following on Jul 30, 2020 on: July 30, 2015, 03:30:15 pm
UK -
USA -
Canada -
France -
Germany -
Australia -
Italy -
Greece -
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 30, 2015, 12:45:54 pm
Given that almost any candidate who is half a century or more old is labelled as "too old" or "past it" nowadays...
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Hillary's campaign already imploding? on: July 30, 2015, 09:46:02 am
Hillary's problem is that she becomes less popular the more she is in the limelight. Her favorables dropped during the 1993/94 healthcare battle, after she announced her 2000 run for the Senate, during her 2008 campaign and now during her 2016 one.
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK MPs - 2015 Parliament on: July 30, 2015, 05:03:23 am
Sir Kevin Barron (Labour - Rother Valley)

MP since 1983. Was a PPS to Neil Kinnock. Seems like yet another leftie-turned-moderniser type.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International What-ifs / Re: Australian DD Election Jan/Feb 2010 on: July 30, 2015, 04:56:06 am
Labor with a somewhat reduced majority. That was really the ALP's Callaghan '78 moment.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you have voted in the preceding election? on: July 29, 2015, 05:57:17 pm
One of the loonie leftie parties, and, again, one votes for parties in parliamentary systems, not leaders.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1979
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Liberal Democrat leadership election, 2015 on: July 29, 2015, 01:00:38 pm
Kind of a burn for Lamb too given that he came closer to winning than many had expected.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 29, 2015, 12:45:59 pm
Quite extraordinary that Corbyn could make it while Benn and Bevan didn't.

Not at all: Bevan never had a realistic chance as the leadership was decided by the PLP in those days (and also Gaitskell was one of the most formidable candidates in the history of the Labour Right), while Benn missed his window by losing his seat in 1983.

I meant more in the sense that those two were both household names while Corbyn was probably unknown to 90% of the population until the past few weeks.

20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 29, 2015, 12:29:15 pm
Quite extraordinary that Corbyn could make it while Benn and Bevan didn't.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK MPs - 2015 Parliament on: July 29, 2015, 05:30:30 am
John Baron (Conservative - Basildon and Billericay)

Army veteran and a right-wing Eurosceptic rebel. 
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 28, 2015, 09:37:04 am
Flint has sounded reasonable during this campaign in that she hasn't spent it insulting most of the party...
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: July 28, 2015, 08:11:10 am
Btw, Rugby confirmed its reputation as an odd place the other day; the CLP nominated Corbyn for leader and Flint for deputy.

I mean, look at the electoral history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK MPs - 2015 Parliament on: July 28, 2015, 03:24:29 am
Hannah Bardell (SNP - Livingston)

Robin Cook's old seat.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republicans know they need to win over some Obama voters, right? on: July 27, 2015, 12:35:31 pm
The Democrats had their Tony Blair in Bill Clinton. I'm surprised that the GOP haven't come up with their David Cameron yet. Huntsman was clearly attempting to be that type of figure last time. None of the candidates this time give off that vibe.
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