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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Mark Zuckerberg vs Hillary Clinton on: Today at 03:32:37 pm
Clinton has done far less general damage to humanity.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: Today at 07:24:33 am
Ed Balls
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: Today at 06:53:20 am
YouGov poll of Scotland, 24-27 April.

SNP: 41% (-6)
CON: 28% (+1)
LAB: 18% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (+3)

Source: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/857733753292107777

They also have independence at:
Yes: 45% (+1)
No: 55% (-1)

At least according to this poll, it's notable that the SNP is starting to fall below the Yes % rather than being a bit above it (they ran 5.3 points ahead of Yes in their 2015 landslide).

Leaders' ratings:

May - 37/51
Corbyn - 18/70
Sturgeon - 47/45
Dugdale - 22/51
Davidson - 43/36

4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Vox Populi - 1972 Labour Leadership Election on: April 27, 2017, 06:59:04 am
Shore, and he was never really on the right of the party. He was kind of an idiosyncratic old school leftist.

And I don't think the terms 'hard left' and 'soft left' emerged until the fiasco of the 1981 deputy leadership contest. When some on the left, such as Kinnock, refused to back Benn, they became known as the 'soft left', while Benn and his supporters became known as the 'hard left'.

Yes, Labour Party factional terminology is crazy and confusing. Tongue

As for Healey, he may have been pro-EEC back then but funnily enough he actually declared his support for Brexit not long before his death.

5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: in your opinion, is the Democratic Party too Russophobic? on: April 27, 2017, 06:47:53 am
The Democratic Party is one of Russia's most effective recruitment tools.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 27, 2017, 05:06:01 am
Oh FFS, can we just ban all non-British nationalities from this thread? If you're going to post about a week's old news about a defection involving a years-long retired MP that no one cares about, at least get his name right. Smiley
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite British PM in your lifetime on: April 25, 2017, 03:46:35 pm
Ugh, Cameron I suppose. It reminds me of how both the Conservatives in the UK and the Republicans in the US have amazing politicians but always end up choosing the worst of them as leaders.
Cameron is probably the best Conservative Leader since Edward Heath, excepting maybe Hague.

wait you think Heath was a good leader of the Tories?

Not to presume, but I think "good leader" in this case means "having politics like my own". I.E. like me saying Foot was the best Labour leader of the last 40 years.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: French Prez runoff 2017 vs US prez election 2016 preferences on: April 24, 2017, 07:27:22 pm
Abstain/Abstain

Or Clinton/Macron if the respective electorates were the same size as the U.S. Supreme Court.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: French Presidential Election 2017, Run-Off on: April 24, 2017, 06:49:40 pm
Thread shows how Trump won and how Le Pen (probably will get stomped but has a chance). The left throws a tantrum if it doesn't get what it wants and stays home.

Blaming "the left" (by which you mean a small part of it - Blair, the Clintons, Macron are all part of "the left" too) is like blaming Gore's lack of focus on winning Tennessee for his defeat; the problem with doing that is that someone else will blame Bill Clinton's behaviour, or Nader's candidacy, or the television networks' premature projections.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of "leftists" who think Le Pen is the lesser of two evils on: April 24, 2017, 06:32:59 pm
Just as oppressed as the leftists voting for Macron, obviously.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Francois Hollande secretly the greatest chessmaster of our time? on: April 24, 2017, 05:51:57 pm
one point....how is macron lile hollande?

hollande was far leftish before kind of flipflopping, macron starts from the center.

Hollande has always been a mainstream centre-leftist. The mainstream centre-left in France just comes off as more radical than it actually is.

let me put it that way:

of all the politicans who promised to raise taxes on the rich and end austerity, hollande is the only leader of a major country who seemingly tried it for some time...in a really bad way, imho but he tried it.

Doesn't at all make him far-left by French standards though.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Marine Le Pen a fascist? on: April 24, 2017, 05:50:36 pm
Yes, even if it's a fairly soft and cuddly kind.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: French Presidential Election 2017, Run-Off on: April 24, 2017, 05:47:29 pm
Let's be honest, certain things that 'respectable mainstream' in France has done over the years on racial/immigration matters would make the Le Pens and Trumps of this world smile. But it gets away with it because it's the 'respectable mainstream'.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Francois Hollande secretly the greatest chessmaster of our time? on: April 24, 2017, 01:17:01 pm
one point....how is macron lile hollande?

hollande was far leftish before kind of flipflopping, macron starts from the center.

Hollande has always been a mainstream centre-leftist. The mainstream centre-left in France just comes off as more radical than it actually is.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: French Presidential Election 2017, Run-Off on: April 24, 2017, 05:37:16 am
Obviously neither. Maybe I'd work up the energy to go to the polling booth and scribble on the ballot paper, although I have a vague recollection of hearing that that's not allowed in France.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Awful politician race: Who would you vote for? on: April 24, 2017, 05:13:41 am
Er, these aren't necessarily awful politicians. All of them are probably better politicians than Jimmy Carter, for example.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 23, 2017, 01:47:00 pm
Who exactly is still voting Labour in Scotland?

The kind of people who vote Labour in rural SE England, presumably.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Vox Populi - 1967 Conservative Leadership Process on: April 23, 2017, 07:53:31 am
They'll be a chorus of execration if Powell wins.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 22, 2017, 01:49:22 pm
However by being Home Secretary for 6 years, along with a robotic bore on Brexit she's managed to appear 'competent'. The big problem for the tories is that there is no PM in waiting 

If/when May finally becomes unpopular Ruth Davidson may become to her premiership what Boris Johnson was to much of Cameron's.

I'm just looking at a list of the current cabinet members and I'd forgotten how atrocious it is. Has-beens, fruitcakes, nonentities, incompetents. Just awful.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Unpleasant Kuckdom general election 2017: your vote? on: April 22, 2017, 12:33:11 pm
Whichever one is promising to cancel Brexit

Lib Dem, then, but also ayy lmao for thinking there's a chance in hell of that.

I thought Labour was overwhelmingly in favor of Remain?

On paper, at least, they are, but they're not "~promising to cancel Brexit~".

Well that's dumb. Brexit only barely won and the losing side was horrified. Making a single issue "This is your second chance to stay in the EU!!!" seems like it would be a great way to galvanize voters and get them to the polls.

It would be stupid, too, and make labour lose their base, but ok.

It would also be stupid, to reverse the vote of a democratic referendum.

If they campaign on canceling Brexit and win, then the people have spoken that they don't want Brexit anymore.

Yes, and by losing your base that voted to leave, a majority of labour constituencies that voted to leave, to lose the working class vote to the right-wing, to gain where?

Middle-Class Suburbs and Rich areas, that are most likely going to vote to vote tory anyway.

I'm sure that's going to be a wonderful campaign strategy.


All indications are that Labour is going to get shellacked anyway  - that's why the Conservatives are calling for an early election.

Brexit just barely passed, and there's already a lot of buyers remorse. Repainting this election into a second chance on Brexit certainly wouldn't be any worse for Labour than whatever other potential strategy they have.

No one is "calling for an early election" - a. it is now definitely taking place and b. in any case it was effectively up to the PM, not her party. As for buyer's remorse, where's the evidence for that? The current opinion polls, which show a 20ish point Tory lead, as many Remain voters saying they regretted their decision as Leave voters and less than 20% support for anti-Brexit parties?
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 22, 2017, 05:02:24 am
All voters in all GB constituencies should have the opportunity to vote for a Labour candidate.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Vox Populi - July 1967 General Election on: April 21, 2017, 10:53:14 am
Labour

Also, ITT people voting for a party that doesn't exist. Wink
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2017 - Predictions Thread on: April 21, 2017, 07:42:01 am
Predictions for individual constituencies are probably only worth making once we get to May 11th (deadline for candidate nominations).
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 20, 2017, 09:11:18 pm
Tories now trumpeting the 'Coalition of Chaos' line again. Either their private polling is showing a closer election than the public polling or they are worried about being hurt by low turnout.

Ftr, there was a report a few weeks ago of Tory private polling showing that about 25 seats could be lost to the Lib Dems.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / UK General Election 2017 - Predictions Thread on: April 20, 2017, 05:16:04 pm
A thread for general predictions - overall percentages and seat totals, seat-by-seat discussion etc. Probably I'll post some 'competition' thing at some point too.

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