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76  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should unwilling parents be forced to pay child support if we'll have a UBI? on: July 28, 2016, 04:50:53 am
Yes (normal)

After all, children whose custodial parents screw them over (by declining to seek child support from their non-custodial parents) appear to have absolutely no recourse in regards to this. Indeed, it's not like these children can acquire this child support in adulthood!

What the hell is that even supposed to mean?
77  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Poll abortion death penalty on: July 28, 2016, 04:37:11 am
Which issue I'd choose to prioritize would depend on the status quo on each.

In the US context, the death penalty is enforced in a particularly barbaric and vicious way, whereas "abortion rights" as they stand are basically reserved to rich women anyway. So I'd rather ban both.
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Vladimir Putin vs. Petro Poroshenko on: July 28, 2016, 04:27:02 am
That's not good, yeah.

Still, I'm pretty sure Poroshenko won't stay in power for 20 years though.
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President Obama Chooses Jackson Park as Site for Presidential Library on: July 28, 2016, 03:58:34 am
Still wish he'd chosen Hawaii. Sad
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: All Charges Dropped in Freddy Grey Case! on: July 28, 2016, 03:27:58 am
Disgusting.
81  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics 2.0 (Presidential runoff re-vote: 2 Oct. 2016) on: July 28, 2016, 03:15:08 am
This thread is an abortion. Last warning to keep this thread focused, intelligent and of worth - I will delete any worthless posts. There's enough crass refugee talk in other threads (and forums) so let's try to keep such garbage away from the best board of the forum.

Sorry for sparking that one off. It's hard to resist the temptation of trolling some of these posters.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Current Trump Press Conference: I hope Russia finds Hillary's emails on: July 27, 2016, 04:17:49 pm
But, yes, I wrote a very long mea culpa on Trump over on AAD a few months back. I think my main issue was a blindness, due to not living in the horrifying 24/7 US media environment, to the corrosive impact the Trump thing was having outside of politics.

e: That blindness was also partly wilful, probably. Hey, it was fun! Best not to think of the implications.

Fair enough. As someone who might directly suffer from a Drumpf victory (far less seriously than most Americans, admittedly, but still), I accept your apology.

I'm glad to hear that.

Just curious, have other "fellow travelers" recanted as well? I'd like to know which posters I can go back to valuing at least somewhat.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Current Trump Press Conference: I hope Russia finds Hillary's emails on: July 27, 2016, 03:45:33 pm
But, yes, I wrote a very long mea culpa on Trump over on AAD a few months back. I think my main issue was a blindness, due to not living in the horrifying 24/7 US media environment, to the corrosive impact the Trump thing was having outside of politics.

e: That blindness was also partly wilful, probably. Hey, it was fun! Best not to think of the implications.

Fair enough. As someone who might directly suffer from a Drumpf victory (far less seriously than most Americans, admittedly, but still), I accept your apology.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Current Trump Press Conference: I hope Russia finds Hillary's emails on: July 27, 2016, 03:36:18 pm
Oh, you've finally seen the light, Oakvale? Did you ever apologize for supporting Drumpf for so long?
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Current Trump Press Conference: I hope Russia finds Hillary's emails on: July 27, 2016, 03:34:22 pm
I'm not suggesting that he's in cahoots with Putin. But what's clear is that Putin is backing him, and it should leave people wondering why he is. It's not often that Putin's goals are compatible with those of the American people.


what we might call the "Trumpenproletariat"

let's not though
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Your reaction to Hillary winning WV in the roll call on: July 27, 2016, 02:54:06 pm
I got a chuckle out of imagining IceSpear's reaction, but that's all.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Current Trump Press Conference: I hope Russia finds Hillary's emails on: July 27, 2016, 02:36:55 pm
I can't help laughing at the Clintonites who seem to think that the Putin bit is an effective anti-Trump tactic. And maybe some of you are actually biased enough to believe that it is demonstrably true despite the oft-ignored reality that evidence for a connection, or even of more than negligible manipulation, remains weak.

Then I remember that these are the only folks standing between us and a Trump administration, and I feel very, very scared. It is amazing how detached these people are from the concerns of voters outside of their extended social circles of well-off, highly educated coastal professionals. Even if much of the movement that we've seen over the past week is a convention bump, the polls have steadily trended toward Trump since his mid-June nadir. There needs to be a better answer to this than half-baked conspiracies that reek of desperation.

I'm a Clintonite now? Huh

Also Russia trying to place its puppet at the head of the US is not a major issue?
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who are you voting for in the 2016 General Election? on: July 27, 2016, 02:14:39 pm
Lean Trump with a chance of a Kasich write-in or Castle vote if he's on the ballot here.

I used to think you were a good poster with an interesting perspective. Shame.

Because of an election with two godawful choices? I voted three times for Obama including the 2008 primaries. This time, I wanted Kasich. I donated to him. He didn't win. As I said, I'm considering writing him in, and it's not like Hillary's going to lose my state.

I don't like Trump, but the Supreme Court is a legitimate issue this time, and it's hard to pull the trigger on a non-major candidate. I'm not voting Hillary, period.

A vote for Drumpf trumps everything else.
89  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 27, 2016, 02:09:52 pm
   1.   John Stuart Mill (100%)            
   2.   Thomas Aquinas (98%)            
   3.   Jeremy Bentham (98%)            
   4.   St. Augustine (88%)            
   5.   Aristotle (85%)            
   6.   Ayn Rand (78%)            
   7.   Jean-Paul Sartre (77%)            
   8.   Plato (76%)            
   9.   Stoics (70%)            
   10.   Immanuel Kant (69%)            
   11.   David Hume (66%)            
   12.   William of Ockham (58%)            
   13.   Nel Noddings (50%)            
   14.   Benedictus Spinoza (49%)            
   15.   Epicureans (48%)            
   16.   Prescriptivism (44%)            
   17.   Thomas Hobbes (38%)            
   18.   Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (34%)            
   19.   Cynics (30%)            
   20.   William James (30%)         
   21.   Jean-Jacques Rousseau (0%)

Rand at #6, WTF? Shocked I systematically voted against options that prioritized self-interest.

Also, Kant should be way higher. And where the hell is Rawls?
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Californiadreaming on: July 27, 2016, 01:51:44 pm
I don't know him.

Have you been around at all these past 3 days? He's everywhere.
91  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who are you voting for in the 2016 General Election? on: July 27, 2016, 01:47:34 pm
Lean Trump with a chance of a Kasich write-in or Castle vote if he's on the ballot here.

I used to think you were a good poster with an interesting perspective. Shame.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Potential Wasserman-Schultz Replacements? on: July 27, 2016, 01:45:22 pm
I want someone who has ties to the Sanders campaign. We have to make peace with them, make them a part of the Democratic operation, and make the party more in line with their ideas. Howard Dean, bless his heart, is now too connected to the Democratic leadership to make that kind of peace.

I'd give Bernie the reins on that choice, so long as it isn't someone like CORNEL WEST.

Jeff Merkley or Tulsi Gabbard?
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ideological purity or centrism? on: July 27, 2016, 01:43:25 pm
'Centrism' is an ideology.

No it's not.
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ideological purity or centrism? on: July 27, 2016, 01:42:55 pm
Centrism in the pursuit of centrism leads to like the most corrupt parties in the western world, in my experience.

My question with regards to 'centrism in the pursuit of centrism' is always: where do you draw the line? If the centre ground of the electorate suddenly decided that the NHS is evulll communism and needs to be privatised, then would Blairites and Cameroons argue for that position for the sake of electability, or would they attempt to convince the electorate that it is mistaken? Well we know the answer (hint: the former) but the latter is vastly more desirable imo.

Politicians since the late 80s - early 90s seem to have completely forgotten the very notion of trying to convince voters of anything.
95  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics 2.0 (Presidential runoff re-vote: 2 Oct. 2016) on: July 27, 2016, 01:41:10 pm
Austrians are so rich that they can also lose all this time (and money) to unnecessary election

But Heaven forbid they spend that money to help refugees instead!
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 27, 2016, 10:58:10 am
Really all I see is Frank and Claire Underwood when I see the Clintons now.

The Underwoods are [at least according to the nonsensical rules that govern HoC's universe] highly skilled politicians. The Clintons are not.
I could see the argument for Hillary not being a skilled politician, but Bill is undeniably incredibly politically gifted.

He was pretty good in his prime, but he's mostly lost touch lately. Hillary was always mediocre and she's proving it every day.
You're so bitter lol

Yes, I'm bitter. You know why I'm bitter? Because a narcisistic pathological liar backed by a hostile, regressive, imperialistic autocracy is currently leading in the polls to become the leader of the country I live in. This should not happen, and it would not be happening if the Democrats had actually ran a good candidate.

Well, Cuomo did not run, so Hillary Clinton was the best candidate in the Democratic primary.

I have no idea what alternate universe you live in.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 27, 2016, 10:47:53 am
OK, sure, she's still leading by a point or two. I like my probability of a narcisistic pathological liar backed by a hostile, regressive, imperialistic autocracy becoming the leader of the country I live in to be lower than "slightly less likely than not".
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 27, 2016, 10:32:21 am
Really all I see is Frank and Claire Underwood when I see the Clintons now.

The Underwoods are [at least according to the nonsensical rules that govern HoC's universe] highly skilled politicians. The Clintons are not.
I could see the argument for Hillary not being a skilled politician, but Bill is undeniably incredibly politically gifted.

He was pretty good in his prime, but he's mostly lost touch lately. Hillary was always mediocre and she's proving it every day.
You're so bitter lol

Yes, I'm bitter. You know why I'm bitter? Because a narcisistic pathological liar backed by a hostile, regressive, imperialistic autocracy is currently leading in the polls to become the leader of the country I live in. This should not happen, and it would not be happening if the Democrats had actually ran a good candidate.
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 27, 2016, 10:24:06 am
Really all I see is Frank and Claire Underwood when I see the Clintons now.

The Underwoods are [at least according to the nonsensical rules that govern HoC's universe] highly skilled politicians. The Clintons are not.
I could see the argument for Hillary not being a skilled politician, but Bill is undeniably incredibly politically gifted.

He was pretty good in his prime, but he's mostly lost touch lately. Hillary was always mediocre and she's proving it every day.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Current Trump Press Conference: I hope Russia finds Hillary's emails on: July 27, 2016, 10:21:00 am
I hope the Hillary camp has the good sense to hammer out this point throughout the campaign. Drumpf is, for all intents and purposes, the protégé of a hostile foreign power. A real-life Manchurian candidate. This is great ad material.
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