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76  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Russian seperatist rebels in Ukraine on: July 20, 2014, 01:08:02 am
Brave leftist warriors don't let facts get in the way of a good talking point.
77  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obamacare enrollees having trouble finding specialists on: July 20, 2014, 01:00:19 am
I'm pretty sure the Republican plan - do nothing - was much more effective at killing sick people. I'm also shocked that there is a serious attempt to dispute this.

In order to - do nothing - the legislature must actively persecute private individuals who are trying to solve the problem. No one is being persecuted for solving our healthcare problems, nor have Republicans proposed any such legislation.

The Republican view is not difficult to decipher. If people buy relatively unrestricted healthcare insurance in marketplaces that are free from state-sanctioned monopoly, Americans can tailor their consumptive behavior to buy what they need. The possible exception is some kinds of catastrophic insurance, which cannot be properly priced or administrated by markets.

For reasons no one can gather, Democrats continue to push forward with their inequitable comprehensive health insurance, which is little more than a thinly disguised attempt to redistribute wealth according to arcane moral principles no one can understand. A 50 year old man must by contraceptives for a 20 year old girl. A 20 year old man must cover prostate surgery for a 55 year old man. A 25 year old woman is buying mammograms for a 55 year old woman.

It makes no sense. It has virtually no support in either party, yet this is the bill that Democrats held their noses and passed. Predictably, they were hammered mercilessly in the 2010 midterms for good reason.

And on a "free market" system, people die because they can't afford health insurance. But oh my, paying for someone else is so much worse than letting said someone die!
78  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 03:59:28 pm
Threads like these are why we can't have nice things.
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 19, 2014, 02:52:14 pm
I don't actually disagree with anything in it, tbh. It doesn't change the fact the Israeli government is a bunch of morons and assholes and at this point bear most of the responsibility for the failure of peace talks.
80  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: July 19, 2014, 02:47:46 pm
GRR.
81  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Is the previous poster to the left/right of you? on: July 19, 2014, 02:15:51 pm
Right, but not as much as he used to. Wink
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD OLDIES YOU THICKHEADED ASSCLOWN on: July 19, 2014, 02:15:19 pm
We can change back the title now...
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anti-Mormon bigotry on the Atlas on: July 19, 2014, 02:14:29 pm
I've never met a Mormon who wasn't an incredibly decent, upstanding, and generally nice person.  Ever.

Mitt Romney. Tongue
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Simple Truths Silver Mine on: July 19, 2014, 02:07:33 pm
With only 3 posts he already earns a spot here. Well played. Tongue

It seems Hanabusa's campaign is entirely based on "Daniel Inouye wanted me to be senator, so you should vote for me"
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm Leaving...For Now on: July 19, 2014, 08:21:12 am
Admit it, whether you like the guy or not there's going to be a part of this forum that feels empty without his contributions.

No. Just no.
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Good Post Gallery II on: July 19, 2014, 07:51:05 am
What seems to be the main point against anti-Mormon bigotry that Mechaman mentioned is that there are liberal members of such a belief system. I've heard the same thing about Catholics on here, the idea being "Don't hate on them, not all of them actually believe all that crap!" What this seems to come down to is that one shouldn't hate on a particular denomination because some percentage of the constituency might agree with you on politics, or might not care about the doctrine that much. Such is a false premise, and seems to indicate that if one is a liberal in any denomination, that is the reason one shouldn't be bigoted toward said denomination, which is absolute horse shyte. If you're going to be opposed to hatred or bigotry or discrimination against certain belief systems, it should be based on a general tolerance as opposed to some crap about how "I know X person, who is of Y belief system, and they're on our side of politics, so don't hate on them!" If sharing your political views is the reason to not hate certain demographics of society, then... well, really I don't have a response to this except a sort of "What?" combined with various expletives.

My point is about tolerance.  There are conservative Mormons, there are liberal Mormons, and there are socialist Mormons.  Maybe I worded it wrong the first time to make it sound like I believe (which is false, as any of you who really knew me well enough, which I guess you dain't) that you shouldn't embrace bigotry against groups because they have some people who agree with you.  That is not what I believe, I believe in general tolerance towards most groups short of those that are actually legitimately bad and harmful towards society.  And no, I don't consider the largely conservative Mormon Church any more of a threat to society than Fox News.

My point, in pointing out that there were a number of liberal members (not just a few) in the Mormon Church is to show that as a group they have enough diversity and allow enough freedom of thought (I don't recall the Church excommunicating Mo Udall, for instance) to make any such blanket attempts bigoted.  Obviously, if this were the 1930s and I encountered a liberal Nazi (don't know how that would work) I wouldn't excuse Nazis as a whole for being a bunch of racist bastards just because a member of the Nazi party believed in universal healthcare and thought that the anti-Jew thing was going too far.  The difference between a liberal Mormon and a liberal Nazi is pretty clear: the consequences of "not caring" about some of the more fundamentalist issues in Mormonism is a hell of a lot less harmful than ignoring the fundamentalist issues (like killing Jews and Slavs) that are advocated in Nazism and other evil ideologies.

Of course you know this is what I actually believe, and not what is in the OP.  THis seems to be more of a critique of how I wrote the Original Post in ten minutes twenty minutes before I left for work.  I concede it was poorly worded, but I still stand by my comments that there is a bigoted element on these boards against Mormons in general that otherwise pretends to be "liberal".  And before anyone says "OH I DON'T HATE MORMONS!  I'M NOT A BIGOT!" let me ask if you think that most people who claim "I AM NOT A RACIST, BUT. . . . " are actual non-racists or are just trying to say something racist?

You see this is about a whole thing of degrees.  The most insane thing I've seen from Mormonism is some random quotes about how you can be God of the Sun and guys biking in business wear in the middle of July in Midland, Texas.  Oh and maybe something about how blacks are the Son of Ham or whoever the hell it was who was Noah's black son a long ass time ago, though on the racism thing (and maybe I just notice this because I'm in the South) I should note that many white protestant denominations believed similar things about blacks as recently as forty years ago.  A church one of my friends went to a long time ago, for instance, has on record a sermon by a preacher in the 1960s about why a black man shouldn't sit next to a white woman.  So even on the legitimate points about negative things (like the anti-black racism) about Mormonism in the past half century, a lot of people are still missing that the Mormon Church was founded in a pretty racist era (the early 19th century, when most whites (even the abolitionists) thought that blacks were subhumans) and that there were some shrooms involved in the process.  Also, many denominations outside of the Latter Saints held onto some of their racist views also well into the 1970s if not the 1980s.  Likely, the average 19th century Mormon was less racist than the average white person was back then.

Meanwhile, the Ku Klux Klan was formed in a pretty racist era but with the explicit and primary goal of harming black people, and not just thinking (like a lot of people) that they were lower than whites.  That is on a whole more harmful level than what Mormons would've believed and practiced back then and would likely be more harmful than what they preach today.

Criticizing the Mormon's Church's opposition to gay marriage is not bigotry just like it isn't bigotry to criticize the Catholic Church for being opposed to birth control. What is bigotry is this idea that the followers of said church are deluded freaks who deserve spite.
87  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Attn. Dave - 2012 election results on: July 19, 2014, 07:49:43 am
There are similar discrepancies for Pennsylvania in 2004, 2000 and 1996.
88  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (Gameplay - 299 AL (4) - The Gates of Winter) on: July 19, 2014, 07:29:08 am
So, is this resuming today?
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you happy Aizen has returned? on: July 19, 2014, 06:23:17 am
Yes (not a terrible)
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Dave Leip on: July 19, 2014, 06:20:52 am
Will a bad thing happen on Page 10?

If there is something bad, I'm sure my moderators will be up to the task of handling it.  But do we really want this thread to reach page 10?  I made this website for election maps, so I don't understand why you're spending so much time on this "Forum Community" board.

Thanks,
Dave




Here, happy now?
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: 30,000 posts! on: July 19, 2014, 06:17:50 am
You're probably actually the most prolific poster at the moment.  You've made over 11,000 posts in just the last two years, which not even BRTD has managed.  Others have obviously posted at incredibly high rates before, but all the others seem to have burned out and aren't posting so prolifically anymore.


Oh my God you're right. Shocked I've posted 11757 times since June 20, 2014 - and BRTD only 8442.
92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Previous Poster's Signature Thread on: July 19, 2014, 06:09:48 am
Sage.
93  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Arkansas Senatorial Election, 2014 on: July 19, 2014, 06:06:02 am
Hold my nose and vote Pryor.
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Obama on: July 18, 2014, 07:01:26 pm
You're the most boring Obama ever... Sad
95  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Berlusconi acquitted on: July 18, 2014, 06:38:23 pm
Shocked Really no idea what happened. I can't help but wonder if Napolitano had some influence in this.


The ban on serving in elected office is now lifted.

No. The sentence under which he is banned from holding office for 6 years had nothing to do with this case.

Just reporting what I saw from several media sources (none of which were Il Giornale Wink ). 

Foreign media are prone to getting things wrong (especially when the picture is THAT complicated).

So I was also told that the "two year ban" (I assume the individual meant six year) wasn't struck down but the lifetime ban was. That isn't true either?

The lifetime ban was from the appealed sentence, so yes obviously it won't take effect (it never had, anyway).
96  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Texas/Utah Senators on: July 18, 2014, 05:15:12 pm
All terrible. Hatch is the most toelrable.
97  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Berlusconi acquitted on: July 18, 2014, 04:28:59 pm
Shocked Really no idea what happened. I can't help but wonder if Napolitano had some influence in this.


The ban on serving in elected office is now lifted.

No. The sentence under which he is banned from holding office for 6 years had nothing to do with this case.

Just reporting what I saw from several media sources (none of which were Il Giornale Wink ). 

Foreign media are prone to getting things wrong (especially when the picture is THAT complicated).
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Kanye West on: July 18, 2014, 04:27:21 pm
Does Bush care about black people?
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Obama on: July 18, 2014, 04:13:07 pm
How many thousand people has Obamacare killed so far? Which numerical target would you set to consider it a success?
100  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Tour de France 2014 - Official Discussion Thread on: July 18, 2014, 01:27:07 pm
Nibali is really getting impressive.
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