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76  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: bundestag officially recognises the armenian genocide on: June 24, 2016, 02:19:17 pm
Massive Freedom Decision. I don't care if it's "symbolic": symbols sometimes are very important. Standing up to the utter vileness of Turkish nationalism at a time when it is more arrogant than ever certainly is.
77  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism on: June 24, 2016, 07:05:28 am
Just fyi, I have officially lost any respect I still had for the PS (and yes, before that last bill I still did have some).
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of David Cameron's achievements on: June 24, 2016, 07:03:17 am
FA, of course.
79  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 04:21:29 am
Losing Sheffield and other Labour strongholds up north tilted it here, if Cameron's gone Crobyn's chair shouldn't be any safer

Can you think of any potential Labour leader who could be any better at speaking to these constituencies, though?

Actually, I'm curious if Al thinks there is one. I haven't seen any but admittedly I don't follow British politics very closely.

Note also the very poor Remain results compared to what was widely expected in heavily minority areas. I think most voters were not thinking in party terms when they voted yesterday so if the question of 'who could have convinced more Labour supporters in Sparkbrook or Merthyr or Brightside to vote Remain' then it's probably the wrong question.

That makes sense, thanks.

In this case, would you say that there is no feeling of disaffection toward Labour among these constituencies (or, if that there is, it's limited to this specific set of issues and isn't likely to spill over into actual political alignments)? I just find it unsettling that the gap between elites and voters was so wide. In some ways it almost makes me wish there was a pro-Brexit wing in the Labour (even though it would mean such wing would necessarily be made up of awful demagogues), to ensure that the party properly represents its electorate.
80  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Have your views on Islam changed since the Orlando Terror Attack on: June 24, 2016, 04:15:55 am
Seriously?
81  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Sanders primary voters only on: June 24, 2016, 04:14:47 am
I would have voted for Bernie in the primary, and would absolutely vote for Hillary in the general, if I could.
82  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the things be legalised on: June 24, 2016, 04:11:43 am
"lol prude, who r u to tell me I can't to Thing? Give me muh freedum!"

"Legalizing Thing is an affront God that would lead us down the slippery slope of anarchy and murder!"

= every debate ever.
83  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should turkey regain its pre 1914 borders on: June 24, 2016, 03:55:08 am
No, but it should regain its 1920-1923 borders.
84  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite United Kingdom state? on: June 24, 2016, 03:53:30 am
Malvinas

This is not a poll about your favorite Argentinian province.
85  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite United Kingdom state? on: June 24, 2016, 03:52:32 am
Scotland, duh.

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Whales

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
86  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Scottish independence: Support or oppose? on: June 24, 2016, 03:51:30 am
Mixed leaning toward support in 2014, very strongly support now.
87  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Barack Obama vs: JFK on: June 24, 2016, 03:49:57 am
Obama by far.
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Next British PM on: June 24, 2016, 03:48:59 am
...I'm gonna miss the Pigf**ker, ain't I?
89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should everyone take back it's pre-420 borders? on: June 24, 2016, 03:47:49 am
discuss with angry nh women

Any day!
90  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Brexit Supporters What comes closer to your motivation? on: June 24, 2016, 03:46:35 am
I'd lie if I said option 6 didn't play a role. Tongue Rephrasing it a bit more pragmatically, I think the EU has potential to move in a better direction without corrosive British influence.
91  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 03:44:09 am
Losing Sheffield and other Labour strongholds up north tilted it here, if Cameron's gone Crobyn's chair shouldn't be any safer

Can you think of any potential Labour leader who could be any better at speaking to these constituencies, though?

Actually, I'm curious if Al thinks there is one. I haven't seen any but admittedly I don't follow British politics very closely.
92  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 03:39:59 am
When economic shocks happen, it's always the little guy who suffers you fool.

Is that directed to me? Huh
93  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 03:30:56 am
Lol.....

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/746216684596297729

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Financial Times reports Standard & Poor's says the UK is likely to lose its AAA credit rating

No consequences at all...

Much of the elite is feeling angry and spiteful right now.  They're lashing out.  Downgrading the UKs credit rating would be a spiteful move.

There needs to be consequences for this incompetence.

There's the spitefulness!

No spite, just facts. Your credit rating is based on your economic stability, which the voters just decided to disregard.

Indeed, thus downgrading us to the same level as economic basket cases such as the United States and New Zealand... Again, the full economic consequences of Brexit will not be known for some time, however, one thing that will hurt our economy for sure is pointless negative speculation within two hours of voting to leave the EU.

Oh Cass, I'm afraid our rating is going to play a game of how low can you go.

I don't care why I should care about globalists finances, and their spitefulness over common people.

I assume in the Great Depression you would have said "ha stock market losers, this will never effect the common man" or in the recession you would have said "who cares, it's just rich bastards who deal with that stuff"?

This won't lead to the Great Depression. Unless financial institutions make it.

It might not be the Great Depression, but if you really think that severing a multitude of provisions that have connected the UK with its main trading partners will be economically painless (and I mean in terms of direct economic consequences, not even factoring in the financial panic that will indeed happen), you're in for a surprise.
94  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Italian Elections and Politics, 2016 ed. on: June 24, 2016, 03:26:47 am
Sorry I wasn't there to comment this (as always in Italy) awesomely insane election cycle! Anyway, these are actually really interesting results, and I'm pretty curious to see how Raggi and Appendino will govern their cities. They both seem a LOT better than most M5S figures we've seen so far, and change was certainly needed in a lot of ways. If I voted in Rome, I actually think I would have voted for Raggi (nothing personal against Giachetti, but the Roman PD needed to be taught a lesson). In Turin definitely not, since Fassino has been a good mayor by all accounts.

Now Renzi is in a really tough spot, and tbh this worries me because the referendum on constitutional reforms (the one eliminating the abomination that is perfect bicameralism, among other things) is coming up in October, and the right and M5S are looking forward to turning it into a referendum on #Renxit. I really hope he has a trick up his sleeve to win this, because Italy really needs those reforms.

Also, if anyone's interested, I can do graphs comparing 2016 results in big cities with the previous elections. I might end up doing them even if nobody is interested, but any interest would provide additional motivation. Wink
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of BRTD? on: June 24, 2016, 03:15:06 am
I like BRTD, but BRTD is NOT a freedom fighter.  Everything he doesn't like or understand he wants to ban.  That's not how FF's roll.

He's also not a horrible person by any stretch of the definition.
96  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 03:07:04 am
Well, the next couple of months is going to be really interesting, on many different levels. The kinda-hilarious thing is that Farage&co have it completely backwards: this will be an unmitigated disaster for the UK, but might actually be beneficial to the EU over the long run.

The really worrying thing is how utterly out of touch Labour MPs are with their own voters. Obviously I can't blame Labour for supporting the choice that's in the best interest of their country, but it's not healthy for a party not to be able to channel the opinions and concerns of their base. Labour is one of the few European parties that has managed to at least partly keep a working class identity, but this could change very soon in the upcoming turmoil. Corbyn might not be the best leader for these times, but I'm pretty sure any of his possible replacements would be even worse.
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of BRTD? on: June 24, 2016, 01:50:39 am
An institution.
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster on: June 24, 2016, 01:49:52 am
Solid FF.
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of referring to Hillary Clinton as "Queen" on: June 24, 2016, 01:49:02 am
Not necessarily, but probably sexist.
100  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: June 24, 2016, 01:47:07 am
Well I'm back to Paris. Still awfully jet lagged. I've slept 3 hours in the past 35 hours.
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