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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / 107 Nobel laureates sign letter blasting Greenpeace over GMOs on: Today at 11:15:47 am
Good for these scientists. We need more people speaking out against irrational, anti-scientific woo - regardless of where it comes from politically or ideologically.

More than 100 Nobel laureates have signed a letter urging Greenpeace to end its opposition to genetically modified organisms (GMOs). The letter asks Greenpeace to cease its efforts to block introduction of a genetically engineered strain of rice that supporters say could reduce Vitamin-A deficiencies causing blindness and death in children in the developing world.

"We urge Greenpeace and its supporters to re-examine the experience of farmers and consumers worldwide with crops and foods improved through biotechnology, recognize the findings of authoritative scientific bodies and regulatory agencies, and abandon their campaign against 'GMOs' in general and Golden Rice in particular," the letter states.

The letter campaign was organized by Richard Roberts, chief scientific officer of New England Biolabs and, with Phillip Sharp, the winner of the 1993 Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine for the discovery of genetic sequences known as introns. The campaign has a website, supportprecisionagriculture.org, that includes a running list of the signatories, and the group plans to hold a news conference Thursday morning at the National Press Club in Washington.

“We’re scientists. We understand the logic of science. It's easy to see what Greenpeace is doing is damaging and is anti-science," Roberts told The Washington Post. “Greenpeace initially, and then some of their allies, deliberately went out of their way to scare people. It was a way for them to raise money for their cause."

2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why are American "liberals" so enamored by protectionism? on: June 29, 2016, 05:37:41 pm
The premise is faulty.  Liberals in America (certainly the elected democratic pols) are the possibly least protectionist and most economically right-wing of all of the OECD countries.

Protectionism is most popular among conservatives in America because there's a significant part of the coalition that is older and uneducated and therefore gets screwed the hardest by trade agreements.  Contrast with the upper middle class educated professionals that are a significant part of the Democratic base.

News to me and exit polls everywhere!

A sizable majority of voters with graduate degrees vote Democratic these days.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should a college degree be required to vote? on: June 29, 2016, 05:03:01 pm
Guys, guys, this doesn't have to an either/or decision. We can raise the voting age to 21, have poll taxes, and have both college degree and property owning requirements! Grin

Moderate compromise! I love people like you (almost as much as I love the poorly educated!)

Yet you don't want them to have the vote. Sad!
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should a college degree be required to vote? on: June 29, 2016, 04:59:48 pm
I think only atlas users should be able to vote. How can we trust people the vote if they don't know by heart the counties where Mitt Romney had the best swing in female Swedish-American plumbers?

Or the ability to make maps of said swing, for that matter.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you know any blue collar people? on: June 28, 2016, 02:41:33 pm
Yes, several. One example that is relevant to Atlas: last summer, I talked to the men who remodeled my family's home. All of them said that they despised Donald Trump (this was shortly after he announced his campaign), and all but one of them (a Latino) were white men - including the general contractor.

6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Why are American "liberals" so enamored by protectionism? on: June 28, 2016, 02:33:38 pm
It's literally the most nationalistic, xenophobic economic policy that we have ever had the misfortune of experiencing. It is the ultimate punishment for consumers (i.e. all Americans, but especially those who can't afford to buy things at higher prices - i.e. the working people and the poor whom liberals/progressives/the Left say they care about) and the ultimate godsend for American capitalists. Furthermore, it literally cuts the United States off from the global economy which we all benefit from to one extent or the other.

Thank the heavens that liberal icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt managed to see through the bullsh**t of the right-wing Republican protectionists of his day and led the successful effort to really open the US to global markets.

...it was U.S. reciprocal trade policy — a policy that had changed little since its inception during the New Deal — combined with a newfound determination to play a leading role in world affairs, that guided U.S. policymakers in the mid-1940s towards a new post-war international economic order — an economic order still largely in operation to this day.

This comprehensive approach, though not always pretty and sometimes contradictory, was nevertheless based on the simple principle that it is a fundamental responsibility of government — even a liberal capitalist government — to ensure that the free market is managed in such a way as to produce the greatest good for the greatest number of people, not the other way around. With 16 million Americans under- or unemployed, one would think that any moves to endorse freer international trade would be accompanied by an even stronger effort to create jobs here at home, but based on the Senate’s recent rejection of President Obama’s jobs bill, it seems highly unlikely that this will be the case

[FDR’s Comprehensive Approach to Freer Trade

Posted on AAD as well.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trumpism on: June 28, 2016, 11:50:05 am
Both the US and Europe need more immigrants on account of their aging native-born populations. Who else will subsidize the rapidly growing retiree population since the share of the total population that are workers is declining?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Multiple people stabbed at Neo-Nazi rally in Sacramento Capitol on: June 26, 2016, 07:07:28 pm
What the hell is the point of counter protesting groups everybody already know are horrible?

Well since Nazis are allowed to have rallies in the first place, is anyone surprised that this happens?
9  General Politics / Economics / Re: Un-skewed economic data on: June 26, 2016, 06:59:22 pm
ayy lmao
10  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: More Republican: investment bankers or police officers? on: June 26, 2016, 06:56:25 pm
Yeah, police tend to vote the same way their cities/towns do, I think.  The Chicago Police are very Democratic (moreso on the local level than when Obama is on the ticket) despite being conservative.

I wouldn't describe them as "conservative." Certainly on some issues, but not overall. City politics are complicated.

Perfect example of how, outside of political nerd conversation and extreme partisans, cultural conservatism, social conservatism and economic conservatism are by no means inherently related.

The perception that they are is mainly a result of the nationalization of American politics (or at least, political discourse). And frankly, there is a lot of truth to that perception these days in terms of national politics.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trumpism on: June 25, 2016, 01:38:27 pm
Not gonna bother reading the racist filth shared in the OP.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Trump ran an openly racist campaign... on: June 25, 2016, 01:34:47 pm
Charles Murray wrote this paragraph in his article, Trump's America.  For the Glass House residents:

Another characteristic of the new upper class—and something new under the American sun—is their easy acceptance of being members of an upper class and their condescension toward ordinary Americans. Try using “redneck” in a conversation with your highly educated friends and see if it triggers any of the nervousness that accompanies other ethnic slurs. Refer to “flyover country” and consider the implications when no one asks, “What does that mean?” Or I can send you to chat with a friend in Washington, D.C., who bought a weekend place in West Virginia. He will tell you about the contempt for his new neighbors that he has encountered in the elite precincts of the nation’s capital.

>wants to prove Trump isn't racist
>shares a Charles Murray article in that attempt

13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Jazz fans on: June 25, 2016, 01:17:28 pm
Favorite artists?

Mine include Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Dave Brubeck, Chick Corea (some of his stuff, anyway), among many others.

14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the "whites are always won over by racism" theorizing posters on: June 24, 2016, 03:44:58 pm
This line of argument recognizes that racism is a problem exclusive to the white community, which is important.

That's a very popular theory on college campuses, but you won't find much support in the real world on that one.

Well sure, a lot of white people stupidly believe that only other races are racist these days.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Brexit Supporters What comes closer to your motivation? on: June 24, 2016, 03:37:01 pm
The irony is, of course, is that the edgy anti-Semites who hate "globalists" are actually useful idiots for the true megarich elite. Because they prefer the murky world of quasi Nationalism, where they can hide behind shadows and squirrel their fortunes away from the public eye. The EU, for all its flaws, is an attempt to control the forces of globalisation and put it in control of the people and avoid the rush to the bottom. It didn't always work out the way (because - you guessed it "anti-globalists" eroded the ability of its democratic structures to regulate the nationalistic attributes of the Commission) but it is an effort. But no, even that is too much for the economically illiterate protectionists of this world who prefer to hide away in their safe space nation state pretending that they somehow have axhieved a victory over anybody. Sad!

It's telling that the Nazis, while rhetorically attacking capitalism and Communism as two sides of the same (Joo-Wish) coin, embraced the former (and were likewise, embraced or at the very least tolerated by most of the German bourgeoisie) once they gained power. The Nazis were fine with capitalism so long as the Master Race was the ruling class in the German system.

And for the Libertards here, capitalism isn't defined by "lack of government intervention in the economy"; if anything, fascism was in many ways an attempt to create an ultra-nationalistic and violently exclusionary form of capitalism.
16  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which religions seek to actively convert people (besides Christianity & Islam)? on: June 24, 2016, 03:30:39 pm
Where does this crazy notion that Buddhism isn't a proselytizing religion come from?

Presumably from American yoga teachers.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Does the GOP need to adjust their party platform? on: June 23, 2016, 02:05:17 pm
"Adjust?" Talk about understatements...
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / PA-2: Fattah resigns on: June 23, 2016, 12:13:16 pm

Good riddance, HP.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Will Ro Khanna unseat Mike Honda (CA-17)? on: June 22, 2016, 11:08:52 am
I haven't followed this race but why do most people on here despise Ro Khanna?

Because he has had the gall to challenge an incumbent Democrat (despite the latter's utterly unimpressive record in Congress and an ongoing ethics investigation into his staff's conduct).
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the things be legalised on: June 21, 2016, 01:23:12 pm
21  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: San Francisco or Los Angeles? on: June 21, 2016, 01:22:08 pm
Los Angeles could find the cures for cancer, AIDS, and the Zika virus and it still wouldn't come close to matching the City by the Bay.
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favorite TRUMP property? on: June 21, 2016, 01:20:21 pm
Trump's Twitter page.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: English on: June 21, 2016, 01:17:25 pm
Obviously Appalachian English spoken by people in extremely isolated communities.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of Christina Grimmie on: June 21, 2016, 01:13:08 pm
Option 2 (normal). Yet another innocent victim of America's awful gun culture. While watching her YouTube videos, I was struck by how full of energy and life she was.

RIP, Christina. Sad

EDIT: I realize that this isn't a political thread, so mods can feel free to move this to the Off-Topic Board.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which German party would you vote for? on: June 21, 2016, 01:09:48 pm
The moderate Hitler Party, because even Nazis have something to contribute. Smiley
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