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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: Today at 03:55:37 pm
I know you meant both to be, and I good laugh out of the first one!  But the second one was less impressive.  Without constant racial tension, some of which is legitimate but a hefty portion is manufactured, Al Sharpton would be even less relevant than he is now.

Entire political parties would be irrelevant without racial tension, which is why some people are dedicated to making sure it never disappears.

Case in point: the Republican Party.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Adopts 'Yes Means Yes' Sexual Assault Rule on: Today at 03:54:53 pm
The days of female sexuality being controlled by men are over, and thank Zeus for that.

Really? 

Of all the gods in the pantheon you might thank for relinquishing male control of female sexuality, you pick one famous not only for seduction and rape, but also one famous for swallowing the only goddess child destined by the Titans to be more powerful than he.


I guess I should have said, "Thank feminism for that"-which has the added benefit of being true.

3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Adopts 'Yes Means Yes' Sexual Assault Rule on: Today at 12:59:07 pm
At the risk of sounding like a religious prude, let me point out that this sort of bill would not be needed if our culture did not merely tolerate, but encourage casual sex.  If at the very least, the expectation for both men and women would be that they would at the least be "going steady" before visiting a certain village in Pennsylvania, the number of conflicting accounts (whether from differing interpretations or outright lying) of whether sex was consensual would be considerably reduced.

I tend to think that the issue isn't the prevalence of casual sex. The issue is (some) men feeling entitled to sex with any woman they want, regardless of the woman's feelings or if there's any chemistry between them (or in some cases, if the woman even knows the man exists). The days of female sexuality being controlled by men are over, and thank Zeus for that. Yet some jealous, resentful, misogynistic men apparently haven't gotten over that development.

And there really aren't many cases of outright lying by survivors of sexual assault.
4  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Religiosity and economic development on: September 29, 2014, 08:30:45 pm
Ah yes, the "people are religious because they are poor and uneducated" canard. How convenient.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Michele Bachmann: gay marriage is "not an issue", it's "boring" on: September 29, 2014, 08:14:50 pm
The dirty little secret is that Bachman is, and always has been, more of an opportunist than an ideologue. She has been all over the map, depending where she perceives opportunity is knocking. And she knows when to fold - to protect herself. That is my rather uncharitable assessment.


6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How do you plan to vote? on: September 29, 2014, 08:10:07 pm
Federal offices:
House of Representatives: Mike Honda (D)

Statewide offices:
Governor: Jerry Brown (D)
Lt. Governor: Gavin Newsom (D)
Attorney General: Kamala Harris (D)
Secretary of State: Alex Padilla (D)
Treasurer: John Chiang (D)
Controller: Betty Yee (D)
Superintendent of Public Instruction: Tom Torlakson
Insurance Commissioner: Dave Jones (D)
 
Ballot Measures:
Prop 1: Yes
Prop 2: Yes
Prop 45: Yes
Prop 46: No
Prop 47: Yes
Prop 48: Yes
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Majority of Americans think there should be a third party on: September 29, 2014, 04:48:19 pm
We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.

Maybe centrist according to your rather out there PM scores, but not compared to the American people.

Who are the "American people"? Do they even have political views at all-let alone ones consistent with their ideological and partisan identification?   

On the other hand, if polled about specific issues:

Quote
CNNMoney's American Dream Poll found that 71% of people surveyed favor a hike in the federal minimum wage.

The majority was strongly represented by both men and women. There was stronger support among Democrats -- 90% of those polled said they supported an increase. But 54% of Republicans also agreed that the minimum wage should be raised.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/09/news/economy/minimum-wage-poll/

And also:





To just list a few examples.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Worst County in the Country? Explain why? on: September 29, 2014, 04:35:42 pm
Basically those counties with "cities" that are basically giant trailer parks surrounding Walmart Super Centers and old small 1990s Walmarts converted to megachurches.

places like-

El Paso, CO
Maricopa, AZ



if by "trailer parks" you mean suburban sprawl, then OK I guess.
9  General Politics / Economics / Re: opebo was right about a $15/hour minimum wage on: September 29, 2014, 02:56:14 pm
And here I thought it was the Right which was reflexively anti-intellectual, dismissive of whole fields of study, with contempt toward the "Ivory Tower" or whatever dumb epithet people have for it.

Not saying I disagree with the substance of what memphis is saying, though.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: September 29, 2014, 02:44:09 pm
Looks like we're in for another 50 years of White Guilt. I thought it would be done and dusted by the time the 21st century arrived.

Yes, because 400+ years of colonialism, racism, discrimination and their social and economic aftereffects should have been completely erased the minute the the last piece of civil rights legislation was passed in the 1960s.

Racism ended when BHO was elected POTUS.

In other news,  people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the biggest racists in America, no contest.

It's hilarious how your first point is great sarcasm and obviously not true, and then you turn around with an epic fail below it.

Both points were sarcasm...
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: neoconservatives vs new right on: September 29, 2014, 10:52:17 am
Which "New Right" are we talking about here? The one epitomized by Frank Meyer and William F. Buckley, Jr. or the one represented by Richard Viguerie, Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips, etc.?
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Michele Bachmann: gay marriage is "not an issue", it's "boring" on: September 28, 2014, 11:07:49 pm
I wonder what Marcus Bachmann thinks of this.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What are the biggest things that are getting better in the US and world? on: September 28, 2014, 08:06:43 pm
Access to information is more equalized than ever before.

But simply having access to information whenever people want doesn't necessarily make people better informed, or more skilled at critical thinking, or more able to exercise good judgement...etc.
Information =/= knowledge, let alone being able to utilize knowledge effectively.

And there are still big inequities in access to information, both within the population and between the population vs. governments and corporations. Some would say that those inequities are a good thing.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you a registered member of a political party? on: September 26, 2014, 01:23:28 pm
In so far as I checked the "Democrat" box when I registered to vote, yes.

This. America doesn't have actual parties.
15  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Describe the likely political views of the previous hypothetical person on: September 25, 2014, 06:39:08 pm
^Democrat with traditionalist cultural values, but maybe willing to vote on occasion for a "respectable" Republican-one that really values education, is accepting of at least some diversity, and isn't a Christian Right type. Overall, though, being a young professional woman leads me to think she would be a pretty strong Democrat.

Age: 43
Gender: Male
Race: White non-Hispanic (of German, Scottish, Scots-Irish, Welsh, Dutch, and English ancestry)
Education: BA in Economics from a four-year college
Occupation: Sales Manager for an aerospace firm
Income: $87,000
Marital Status: Married (3 children, wife does not work)
Religion: Non-denominational Christian
Location: Sugar Land, Texas
Place of birth: Ottawa, Kansas
16  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Describe the likely political views of the previous hypothetical person on: September 25, 2014, 06:26:50 pm
^Probably a fairly typical mainstream liberal Democrat, perhaps with an idealistic streak.

Age: 28
Gender: Male
Race: White Hispanic (Mexican ancestry: second-generation
Education: High school diploma + one year of university
Occupation: Assistant retail manager at a supermarket
Personal Income: $35k
Marital Status: Married (wife makes $20k=combined income of $55k. No children).
Religion: Evangelical Protestant
Location: Tuscon, Arizona
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeff Sessions on: September 25, 2014, 10:43:18 am
He'd really be able to speak to the old Southern white men that have grown distrustful of conservatives and swing them back into the GOP tent.

It's part of the Republican Outreach Strategy to minorities. Just like how billionaires who just more  tax cuts are a persecuted minority in America. Sad
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Give up your freedom and you can have sex all the time!" on: September 25, 2014, 12:30:57 am
What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought “to imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned,” said the citing stray calls from the right to “arrest abortion-breast cancer link deniers.”

Except no conservative has ever suggested such a thing.

The sexual/economic license contrast you make is more on point.  It can seem weird to a conservative that some liberal who is concerned with setting policies that deal with how many calories people eat, or what kind of lightbulb people use, can be so adamantly hands off when it comes to sex.  And it can seem weird to a liberal that a conservative who talks about small government is so focused on getting government out of the economy but doesn't seem to give certain invasions of privacy or restrictions on sexual autonomy a second thought.

It doesn't seem weird at all, when you recognize that the divide is between those who maintain that too much social inequality-broadly speaking-is a problem and those who think that vast inequality is not a problem at all.

Notice how tone-deaf (or even displaying outright hostility) many conservatives are on issues of civil rights-such as those for women, LGBTs, and minorities. They don't seem to recognize that some groups in society are favored over others, which contradicts their professed commitment to "equality of opportunity." They also seem to believe that the "isms" of racism, sexism, etc. are a thing of the past, something some bad people in Mississippi or whatever did in 1845 and who were total outliers in American history. Finally, they hold to a normative view of society that defends "traditional" power structures and hierarchies (Hence,  the opposition to feminism or equal rights for LGBT Americans).

Modern American conservatism is historically rooted in ferocious opposition to the most radically egalitarian ideology of all (socialism). But in their absolutist, paranoid thinking, many conservatives are convinced that the Moderate Heroes of the Democratic Party (and the Republicans who they don't think are pure enough, or who are willing to work with Democrats from time to time) is equivalent to Marxism. That's a belief straight out of the John Birch Society kooky conspiracy file. Unfortunately, conservatives have not seriously repudiated these beliefs, and if anything they have become more popular than ever among self-professed conservatives.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What is Republican economic policy? on: September 25, 2014, 12:12:21 am
Republican economic policy: roll back social welfare programs (particularly those that directly affect poor people), cut taxes for rich people and middle-income people (to a much lesser extent, granted, but still...), block any and all broad-based legislation that would actually help the poor, the working-poor, and the rest of the working population (such as minimum wage increases, extension of unemployment benefits, or spending programs like the stimulus bill, or Obamacare, or any jobs bill in Congress....) , and when all of the economic and social problems that inevitably occur from the resulting inequality and depressed consumer demand-blame it on Obama/the Democrats.

20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: September 25, 2014, 12:02:34 am
Looks like we're in for another 50 years of White Guilt. I thought it would be done and dusted by the time the 21st century arrived.

Yes, because 400+ years of colonialism, racism, discrimination and their social and economic aftereffects should have been completely erased the minute the the last piece of civil rights legislation was passed in the 1960s.

Racism ended when BHO was elected POTUS.

In other news,  people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the biggest racists in America, no contest.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Roberts vs. Brownback on: September 25, 2014, 12:01:04 am
What's the difference, really?
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of La Salle Parish, Louisiana on: September 24, 2014, 11:59:22 pm
They have no problem voting for the Klansman but do have a problem voting for the Indian American? LOL. Some patriotic 'Muricans right here.

The Klan claims to be a patriotic organization though. It had 5 million members nationwide in the mid-1920s, and had representatives in both major parties. Hell, how far removed from that were  Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms, other than being more "respectable" than the Klan? They were sitting US Senators as recently as the beginning of the 21st century.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the United States Constitution on: September 24, 2014, 11:51:15 pm
Obviously a deeply flawed document, and a product of its time, the elite group who wrote it, etc. Still, it's useful to study, if only to gain more of an appreciation for the foundations of the American political and legal systems.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The US Democratic Party or the Communist Party of Greece on: September 24, 2014, 11:47:21 pm
The one that I can actually vote for?
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: September 24, 2014, 04:46:56 pm
Disgraceful. Utterly disgraceful. People go to school so they can be taught, not so they can offer up social and political commentary.

I agree that the right-wing school board's proposal to turn the teaching of American history into (right-wing) social and political commentary is utterly disgraceful.
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