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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Experts: Most Mass Shooters Aren't Mentally Ill on: May 23, 2016, 01:57:49 pm
From what I've observed, racism and misogyny are contributing factors to a disproportionate number of mass shootings. Perhaps that is something that deserves more consideration...
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of TNVolunteer? on: May 23, 2016, 12:35:07 pm
NH is a swing state FTR
3  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Places/Times where Median Democrat was to the Right of Median Republican on: May 23, 2016, 12:28:39 pm
Obviously the South.

Obviously, bro!  How else could you go on believing that modern liberal Democrats are the ideological heirs of everything good that's ever happened?

4  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Places/Times where Median Democrat was to the Right of Median Republican on: May 23, 2016, 10:44:30 am
Obviously the South.
5  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Free Trade demographic? on: May 23, 2016, 10:39:19 am
My snarky answer would be people who understand what's best for American enterprise, but I'd say the most consistent supporters over the last few decades would definitely be your Club For Growth types and more business-oriented Republicans.

As well as business-oriented Democrats.
6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Who would/should play Trump in a movie? on: May 22, 2016, 12:37:47 pm
John Miller
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of John Edwards on: May 22, 2016, 12:20:01 pm
Great guy, massive high energy FF.

Oh, you were talking about the ambulance chasing scumbag? Massive HP.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What do our resident members of the Party of Lincoln think of this quote? on: May 22, 2016, 12:18:58 pm
  (outside the 1850s to 1950s South, which was a one-party region which was obviously going to include Democrats of all ideologies)

I'm singling out this section because the South basically controlled the Democratic Party at the national level through the Civil War period, and well after it. Also there were a lot of rural Protestant Democrats in places like the Midwest and West who could plausibly be considered conservative.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Worst area of the world? on: May 22, 2016, 12:15:37 pm
Deepest darkest Central Africa or ISIS territory.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favourite latest post by previous poster on: May 22, 2016, 12:14:45 pm
I have come to the conclusion that TN Volunteer is Maggie Hassan's sock and a roundabout way of saying that she plans to run for President in 2020, regardless of the outcome of 2016.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you remember 9/11? on: May 22, 2016, 12:13:44 pm
Yes. I also remember President Bush specifically saying, "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who attacked us and those who sponsor them."

I guess some countries were exempted from that statement (for example: a certain large Gulf state which will remain nameless, out of respect to the Bush family).
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Adam Griffin on: May 22, 2016, 12:11:22 pm
Massive FF (normal)
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Girl, 5, suspended for a bringing a "gun" to school on: May 21, 2016, 09:28:39 pm
Perhaps if the girl was Muslim this would be a bigger story?

If the girl was Muslim I'd suspect that the exact same crowd outraged by this story would agree with the school's decision to suspend her.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / White Nationalist Party Claims More of Its Members Are Now Trump Delegates on: May 21, 2016, 01:07:53 pm
On May 10, Los Angeles attorney William Johnson resigned as a delegate for Donald Trump to the Republican National Convention after Mother Jones reported that Johnson is the leader of the white nationalist American Freedom Party. The Trump campaign, which selected Johnson as one of its California delegates, blamed his inclusion on a "database error." But white nationalist leaders, including one who has contributed to an online hate forum, are now claiming that other members of their movement have become delegates for Trump.

"[H]ere is what they don't know: we have more delegates!" the American Freedom Party wrote on its Facebook page last week, in response to the Mother Jones report.

The AFP has come to see the Trump campaign as its path to taking white nationalism into the mainstream. In recent months the group and a related super-PAC have produced and funded pro-Trump robocalls, set up a "political harassment hotline" for Trump supporters, and promoted Trump on a talk radio show.

Led by Johnson since 2009, the American Freedom Party "exists to represent the political interests of White Americans" and aims to preserve "the customs and heritage of the European American people." The AFP has never elected a candidate of its own to public office and is estimated to have only a few thousand members, but it is "arguably the most important white nationalist group in the country," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center's Mark Potok.

Johnson believes that Trump's rise will motivate other white nationalists to express their views publicly. "You've got to realize that I'm out in the open and upfront, but a lot of people aren't there yet," he said. "Talk to me in eight months and more people will be out. Particularly if Donald Trump gets elected."


More evidence that in terms of his political movement, Trump himself is merely the tip of the iceberg.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: OpEd: This is how fascism comes to America on: May 21, 2016, 12:59:43 pm
FWIW,  a pretty significant number of neo-Nazis and other white supremacists have endorsed Trump because "for the first time, we have a major presidential candidate who is saying what we've been saying all along."
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Donald Trump a Radical Centrist? on: May 21, 2016, 12:56:25 pm
Liberal democrat. Next?

well no he can't be a liberal democrat, he's not from the uk.  besides, trump would either be a kipper or a tory if he was british

He could fit in fairly well in the Russian Lib Dems. Maybe even the fringes of the Japanese ones too.

That's because the political spectrum in the UK is shifted to the left.

Derp. Tell me more about your very interesting insight into British politics.

For instance, all major political parties in the UK, even Tories, talk about climate change in a way that is consistent with the way radical left wing partisans talk about it in the US. The only party that treats the subject differently is UKIP.

You mean radical left-wing partisans like the entire scientific community?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How can Trump reach out to the black community? on: May 17, 2016, 04:27:52 pm
By reminding them of how he treated the black tenants of his NYC apartments in the 70s. Smiley
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Best One-Hit Wonders? on: May 17, 2016, 01:12:46 am
That annoying "Jenny Jenny" song...

19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: May 17, 2016, 12:34:34 am
A crisis with my girlfriend and subsequent prayer have convinced me that I need to return to my roots as a religious, pro-life, vintage-vibe leftist, not the weird embittered quasi-reactionary I've been slowly sliding towards being.

Yes. This iteration of Natheline was the most annoying of the past six.

What prompted this? Huh
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Myth of Donald Trump's Upper-Class Support on: May 16, 2016, 06:35:01 pm
Median household income of Trump voters: $72k
Percentage of Trump voters with college degrees: 44%

Also, the fact that he is the Republican nominee will in and of itself bolster Trump's upper-class support considerably.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who is more of a real republican? on: May 16, 2016, 05:31:31 pm
The one who accurately represents the vast majority of Republican voters.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What do our resident members of the Party of Lincoln think of this quote? on: May 16, 2016, 05:31:01 pm
But seriously, does anyone genuinely think, while being intellectually honest, that Abraham Lincoln would be proud of the present day GOP? The party of Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Dick Cheney, Steve Stockman, Joe Wilson, Scott DesJarlais, Joe Barton, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Ken Buck, Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Pat Buchanan, Tom Tancredo, Chris McDaniel, Louie Gohmert, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Steve King, Newt Gingrich, Paul LePage, Sam Brownback, Rick Scott, Mary Fallin, Orly Taitz, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Steve Scalise, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, David Vitter, Jim Inhofe...and the list goes on.

Nope.  However, there are tons of people who are still Republicans who are publicly critical of where the party currently stands, and there's not a lot of reason to believe Lincoln would be proud of the current Democratic Party (or any of its forms over the years), either.

Trying to apply modern politics to the 1800s is truly bizarre, though, especially using modern terms.  "Lincoln leaned left for his time."  What the fvck does that even mean?  LOL.  Lincoln is going to be whatever people want him to be, and that's fine.  All we can really say is Abe was a member of a party that was largely pro-business, skeptical of immigration, for restricting and eventually dismantling slavery and it usually attracted the Northern business community, Blacks who could vote (eventually) and religiously Puritan Northerners.  If people want to attach liberal or conservative to those things, fine ... kind of pointless.

To people like RFayette, being conservative has more to do with how much you talk about Jesus, how uncomfortable you are around minorities and how backwards your thinking is, LOL.  I do not share that line of thinking, and calling Lincoln a liberal with a straight face is just as dumb as calling him a conservative.

Dude, Lincoln set out to abolish a quasi-feudalistic agrarian slave society where racial and economic inequality was literally caste-like. If Lincoln wasn't Left for his time, than what on Earth were the Democrats?
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Politico: Is Bernie Sanders Becoming the Ralph Nader of 2016? on: May 16, 2016, 05:13:05 pm
Speaking of:

When asked what positive contributions Clinton has made to the 2016 campaign, Nader called her a "corporatist, militarist Democrat" who would have been defeated by Sanders if every state held an open primary.

"She's going to win by dictatorship. Twenty-five percent of superdelegates are cronies, mostly. They weren't elected. They were there in order to stop somebody like Bernie Sanders, who would win by the vote," he says.

24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Describe an Obama 2012/Trump voter on: May 16, 2016, 04:37:22 pm
White Democrats who aren't really openly racist but still are alarmed by immigrants and Muslims> These can be found in pretty much every part of the country.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Politico: Is Bernie Sanders Becoming the Ralph Nader of 2016? on: May 16, 2016, 03:29:25 pm
Hardly. I think it is pretty obvious that Sanders has not only pushed Clinton to the Left, but the Democratic Party in general as well. A lot of progressive discourse on economics would likely have not even been brought up in this election if it hadn't been for Sanders' candidacy. And Sanders has inspired  a remarkable number of young people to get involved with the political process, to say nothing of all of the disaffected and marginalized voters who have been supporting him in droves. All of this is why Clinton supporters should be thanking Sanders, even if we think many of his supporters are irritating.
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