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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Republican Party (1854-1874) on: October 17, 2014, 03:46:04 pm
If anything, I would say that it was a very grey area party that was very naive about the nature of wage slavery.  Mainly that they thought it was something that would suddenly go away sometime in the late 19th century but was actually there to stay.

Do you reckon that this idea that wage-labor is a temporary condition for working men is still a fixture of the Republican Party?

ie hard-working men will advance in society, eventually reaching the point where they're able to start their own businesses, where they can then provide opportunities for more workers to advance themselves and do likewise.

2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gamergate on: October 17, 2014, 02:26:43 pm
“I want to say unequivocally, Gamergate did this to me,” she says. “If I’m saying this less on Twitter it’s because I feel fanning the flames will endanger my life even more. I know that many #gamergate supporters are trying their best to distance themselves from these events, but I agree with many others that feel the movement is inexorably linked with misogyny and sexism.

“Don’t take my word for it. Anyone can go to 8chan, a website entirely for Gamergaters. You can read what they post about me and other women. It’s not just casual sexism, it’s angry, violent sexism. They don’t see me, Zoe or Anita as people, just objects to be destroyed.

“I am a programmer. If I write code, I don’t evaluate the results by what I hope the code will be. I evaluate it by what happens when I compile it. I evaluate it by results. Right now, the result of #gamergate is this: Every woman I know in the industry is scared. Many have thought about quitting. Three of us have been the victims of death threats, and some of us have been driven from our homes.”

3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some facts about homelessness in America on: October 17, 2014, 01:02:34 pm
Do you have numbers on how much of homelessness is voluntary like you keep asserting?

The poor have it good in America, you see. Too good.
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is hating hip-hop racist? on: October 17, 2014, 12:50:37 pm
A lot of the people who hate hip-hop are racist.
5  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is It Unfair that Caucasians Are So Diverse? on: October 16, 2014, 06:06:30 pm
Those other people all look the same to me.  Help?

6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Under whose leadership would you rather have lived? on: October 16, 2014, 06:00:40 pm
Thatcher vs. Reagan seems like the more appropriate comparison.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Republican Party (1854-1874) on: October 16, 2014, 05:56:13 pm
Freedom Party, though probably less radical than being made out to be by some here..but in that time, in this country?

Yeah, Freedom Party for sure.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Some facts about homelessness in America on: October 16, 2014, 09:29:30 am
Fact One. Over half a million people are homeless

On any given night, there are over 600,000 homeless people in the US according to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Most people are either spending the night in homeless shelters or in some sort of short term transitional housing. Slightly more than a third are living in cars, under bridges or in some other way living unsheltered.

Fact Two. One quarter of homeless people are children

HUD reports that on any given night over 138,000 of the homeless in the US are children under the age of 18. Thousands of these homeless children are unaccompanied according to HUD. Another federal program, No Child Left Behind, defines homeless children more broadly and includes not just those living in shelters or transitional housing but also those who are sharing the housing of other persons due to economic hardship, living in cars, parks, bus or train stations, or awaiting foster care placement. Under this definition, the National Center for Homeless Education reported in September 2014 that local school districts reported there are over one million homeless children in public schools.

Fact Three. Tens of thousands of veterans are homeless

Over 57,000 veterans are homeless each night. Sixty percent of them were in shelters, the rest unsheltered. Nearly 5000 are female.

Fact Four. Domestic violence is a leading cause of homelessness in women

More than 90% of homeless women are victims of severe physical or sexual abuse and escaping that abuse is a leading cause of their homelessness.

More: http://www.alternet.org/10-shocking-and-wildly-depressing-facts-about-being-homeless-uncaring-america
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which states qualify as culturally Southern? on: October 15, 2014, 06:45:42 pm
Depends on the definition of "Southern", doesn't it?
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Opinion of South Dakota on: October 14, 2014, 07:40:48 pm
While we're on the subject of South Dakota, what's the difference between it and North Dakota in terms of political culture?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Warren vs. Obama Spin on: October 13, 2014, 06:57:35 pm
I'm glad that the OP called it a "spin", because her comments are more balanced and nuanced than the "Obama is only for Wall Street banksters!" crowd gives her credit for.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul meets with NAACP and Urban League on: October 13, 2014, 06:55:44 pm
There are definitely very Republican solutions to the plight of African Americans. For one, an effort to jump start more small businesses in black communities to give them more jobs within their own communities instead of having to commute to serve white areas would certainly solve a lot of issues and be pro-business at the same time.  The government could definitely incentivize that banks be more lenient with small business loans to poor communities with poor credit ratings with little cost to the taxpayer or infringement of free market freedoms.

But see, there are certain people in the GOP based who would vomit at the idea of giving blacks that kind of "special privilege."

Nowadays you're more likely to see those Republican solutions be offered up by Democrats. What gets offered up by Republicans tends to be....

*insert thinly veiled racist dog whistle*


Why don't more black people vote for us? Sad
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / There's only one candidate that can save the Republican Party... on: October 13, 2014, 06:54:28 pm

14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Has Edge Over Democrats On the Most Critical Issues -Gallup on: October 13, 2014, 02:50:08 pm
Not surprised, every other poll has American agreeing almost entirely with Democrats on social and economic issues...if they are not labeled as Democratic positions.

Although Wall Street has never been America’s sweetheart, Americans’ confidence in corporate America has drastically decreased in recent decades. In the 1970s, just over 40 percent of Americans said that they had “a great deal” of confidence in Wall Street. About 40 years and one Great Recession later, only 11 percent of Americans feel that way. Recent surveys now indicate that most Americans favor Wall Street regulation and reform.

The Center for Responsible Lending and Americans for Financial Reform Financial Reform released a joint study that surveyed American voters’ opinion of the country’s financial system. About 93 percent of those surveyed said that Wall Street regulation was important, with only a small variation of opinion between Democrat (96 percent) and Republican (89 percent) samples.

Americans also have a favorable opinion of the Wall Street federal watchdog group, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). When asked who they trusted more to ensure fair services and products for consumers, the CFPB enjoyed 53 percent of the voters’ trust. Only 18 percent said they trust banks and credit card companies.

Conservatives on Capitol Hill have long opposed raising the federal minimum wage, arguing that it could damage employment despite little or no evidence backing their opinion. The Miller-Harkin bill was designed to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $10.10 an hour and has received support from the White House and Congressional Democrats. When American voters were asked their opinion, 63 percent said they support the Miller-Harkin bill.

Gay marriage support has experienced a steady increase, especially since the mid-90s. According to a Gallup survey, voters who think that gay marriage should be lawfully recognized increased from 27 percent in 1996 to 54 percent in 2013. That July, when the survey was conducted, Gallup used two different approaches in the survey and only saw a -2 percent difference in the results.



And so on.

There are a number of reasons to conclude that the data on self-labeling tells us relatively little about the actual ideological positioning of the public. First, as political scientists have understood for more than 40 years, most Americans simply don't think in ideological terms. To take one example, the National Election Studies has asked respondents in the past, "Would you say that either one of the parties is more conservative than the other at the national level?" The number answering "the Republicans" seldom exceeded 60 percent when the question was asked in the past; after a 12-year hiatus, the NES asked the question again in 2004, when two-thirds of the public, an all-time high, gave the correct answer. This means that, at a time when the parties are more ideologically distinct than ever, one-third of the public can't name correctly which party is more conservative. If this bare minimum of knowledge is unavailable to such a large proportion of the population, it is fair to say that their self-placement on ideological scales will not be a particularly reliable gauge of their actual beliefs on issues.

There is an understandable assumption within Washington that if survey respondents answer the ideological self-placement question by choosing "liberal" or "conservative," then their positions on issues roughly correlate with those of the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively; and that if they choose "moderate," then their issue positions are midway between those of the two parties. But in fact, this is not the case. According to the NES, 56 percent of those who call themselves moderates associate with the Democratic Party, while only 31 percent associate with the Republican Party.

Another reason people don't use the liberal label is that the term "liberal" has been victim to a relentless conservative marketing campaign that has succeeded in vilifying liberals and liberalism.[/b ]The consequence is that only strong liberals are willing to identify as such. But many people who hold liberal issue positions call themselves moderates, or even conservatives.

When people do use ideological labels, they often apply them inconsistently. In 1967, Hadley Cantril and Lloyd Free famously observed that Americans were "ideological conservatives" but "operational liberals."55 They didn't like the idea of government, but they liked what government does and can do.


15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Defense of Obama on: October 13, 2014, 02:19:31 pm
So yes, then.

I'm trying to be optimistic about the future of race relations.

You say that, but you and others on the Right have repeatedly claimed that black people and other minority groups are "brainwashed" into "government dependency" by Democrats. Not only is that not true, but it's really insulting to non-white voters.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In Defense of Obama on: October 13, 2014, 02:14:02 pm
Two of our most beloved Presidents FDR and Reagan were also Great Borrowers.

They were the first of their kind. I guess you could say the same about Obama, if you want to play the race card.

The only way he will be recognized as great is if Democrats continue to polarize the population on issues of race, and anyone who disagrees about Obama's merit is publicly shamed as a racist.

What exactly is "the race card?" Huh

Also, Obama is routinely criticized-often viciously and irrationally, but that's neither here nor there-by countless people, whether they be public figures or not. Who is "publicly shaming" them as racists?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Limiting Abortion... on: October 13, 2014, 09:32:19 am
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul on drugs.....and gay marriage on: October 12, 2014, 02:25:44 pm
He did compare gay marriage to bestiality a year ago.

He changed his mind. He's in a states rights position like most of the more sane Republican 2016 contenders.

So in other words, he opposes it.

Not necessarily. I prefer the issue being left to states and I support it.

Because the nation as a whole isn't ready yet.

19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Hillary is the Democrats' nominee.... on: October 12, 2014, 02:25:07 pm
Likely D.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you consider the preceding poster a liberal, a moderate, or a conservative? on: October 12, 2014, 02:07:37 pm
I don't know.

By the way, are these labels mutually exclusive?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Georgia's voting backlog battle (Politico) on: October 12, 2014, 09:47:31 am
Civil rights groups filed a lawsuit on Friday over a backlog of new voter registrations some activists say is so large that it amounts to an act of voter suppression by the Republican secretary of state. State officials deny wrongdoing, saying county offices are methodically handling a surge in applications, and pointing to fraudulent forms as proof of the need for a careful process.

The fight is adding to the racial sensitivities in two already charged races, including one that could determine which party controls the Senate. With early voting due to start here Monday, the activists’ turn to the court suggests the homestretch in both the Senate and governors races could be even more fierce than expected.

The lawsuit, filed in Fulton County Superior Court, requests that a judge order five counties and Secretary of State Brian Kemp to immediately process some 40,000 backlogged voter registration forms. Some of the forms, according to the civil rights groups, were turned in months ago.

“Waiting for the state to act is not an option for us because we have folks who applied back in March and April who have yet to make it onto the rolls,” said Democratic state Rep. Stacey Abrams, a 40-year-old Yale-trained lawyer who leads the New Georgia Project, a voter registration initiative behind many of the applications.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/georgia-voting-backlog-battle-111802.html#ixzz3FwTjveJq
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Most despicable personal attack during an election on: October 10, 2014, 10:40:14 am
Willie Horton
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity on: October 09, 2014, 03:57:35 pm
I think the issue for many people (including many Christians) is the ignorance of an awful lot (majority?) of Christians, particularly in the United States. They are not only willfully ignorant of other people's beliefs, many are shockingly misinformed about their own views, as well. And they have real political influence that has many implications for public policy, the treatment of minority groups, etc.-which can't be said for most non-Christians, at least in the US. Although perhaps this is a really America-centric (and thus, hopelessly provincial) view of Christianity vs. "everything else."   

Furthermore, there's a significant disconnect between someone like Augustine or whomever and how most Christians actually understand themselves. Most people aren't nearly so highbrow in their views, in general. You can argue whether that is good or bad, or value-neutral, but that doesn't change the fact that most people simply don't operate like eminent theologians or philosophers.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Yet another police shooting of a black man in St. Louis area on: October 08, 2014, 11:39:16 pm
This time, in South St. Louis.


Note: According to various live streams and Twitter, there were dozens of eyewitnesses this time, all of whom are saying that the victim was unarmed. The only people saying that he was armed seem to be the police. Take that for what it's worth.


We're trying to put together the basic details of what happened. But quick overview: in the city of St Louis tonight, a member of the St Louis Metropolitan Police shot and killed an 18 year old man after an encounter, the nature of which remains in dispute. Police say the dead man had a gun and fired at the officer; witnesses and family members dispute that.

The shooting took place near the Missouri Botanical Gardens. (Here's the early report from the Post-Dispatch.)

As chance would have it, a close family member of mine lives a block away from where the shooting took place. They were able to talk with witnesses and bystanders and family members of the deceased man who were standing around the scene of the shooting no more than 15 minutes after it happened. The accounts are mixes of eyewitness accounts and accounts that circulated through the small crowd - in other words, hearsay, but close on the events as they happened. So this version of the story is inevitably cut through with hearsay and needs to be placed in that context. But it is notable because it comes from the first minutes after the shooting took place.

The two salient points are that the mix of eyewitnesses and family members there immediately after the shooting took place a) disputed that the dead man had a gun and b) suggested that the shooting victim happened upon a chase already underway as he walked out of a corner store.


25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: George W Bush: Jeb wants to be President on: October 08, 2014, 10:53:21 am
That's fine. Still, they were never more important in that scene than the Rockefellers or the Tafts, which makes them having two Presidents who were both unpopular and possible a third nominee, again, stranger.

Maybe because the second George Bush wanted to one-up his dad (and his brother)? It's hard to see a President Jeb Bush in the years 2001-2009 being as incompetent and unpopular as his brother was. I also don't think Dick Cheney would have been much of a player in a Jeb Bush administration, if he would be in it at all.

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