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1876  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The South is Becoming a New Catholic Stronghold on: November 04, 2014, 07:01:10 pm
Fastest growth by percentage doesn't equal "becoming a new catholic stronghold." In the typical rural Southern county, if 20 Mexicans move in (which is not such an uncommon thing these days) the Catholic population may well double. They're still a negligible population

Yea... pretty much.  I would love to see the South shift to Catholicism but it's not going to happen.  They'll become irreligious before they become Catholic. 

If the South turned Catholic it'd be just as right wing as it is now. Evangelical converts to Catholicism tend to be socon extremists who just love the RCC's positions on abortion and gay marriage. Look at Sam Brownback, Robert Bork, Newt Gingrich and NOM's leader Brian Brown. In fact I'd wager that Catholic converts to evangelicalism are more Democratic than vice-versa (due to high prevalence of Hispanics in the former and a non-insignificant amount converting to my type of evangelicalism.)

I meant "shift to Catholicism" through influx of new people, youngs embracing Catholicism, and older Protestants dying off. 

Virtually no youngs are embracing Catholicism. The retention rate is terrible, and while lots of other denominations have similar numbers, they're at least gaining some converts to offset it, while Catholicism isn't. In fact I think ARDA's last survey had the Catholic percentage declining despite large Hispanic immigration which is quite the demographic feat.

Anyway why on Earth would being Catholic make people more likely to support socially liberal and tolerant policies? You could at least hope for them to move to more liberal Protestantism like in the Midwest.

Because I've noticed Catholic people tend to be more socially liberal is all.

My personal observation is that once you adjust for different racial makeup and the "Catholic identity" factor, the difference disappears. White Catholics who go to church weekly or more are roughly as conservative as their Evangelical counterparts.
How many white Catholics go to church weekly?

And why do we only care about white Catholics?
1877  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2014 US Congressional Election Results on: November 04, 2014, 06:51:39 pm
Two of the races I actually care about are among the closest in the nation.

Honda vs. Khanna and Bera vs Ose.
1878  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of these best describes Jimmy Carter? on: November 03, 2014, 11:11:52 am
Mediocre president; sanctimonious, self-serving human being

1879  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Democrats and others, who do you dislike more: George W. Bush or Dick Cheney? on: November 03, 2014, 11:08:58 am
Dick Cheney would not have been able to do the things he did on behalf of Bush if Bush hadn't willingly delegated his authority to Cheney (especially in the first term).

Also, LOL at the "I'm sure Bush is a good person at heart" meme.

1880  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Ronald Reagan on: November 01, 2014, 06:44:08 pm
The ultimate tool (in many ways).
1881  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: How does this forum full of young left-wing whites define "blackness"? on: November 01, 2014, 05:41:18 pm
If you're asking if Obama is a black, then yes.
1882  General Politics / Economics / Re: Is it Possible to cut both taxes AND spending? on: November 01, 2014, 05:37:43 pm
Yeah, if you cut spending by more... the Reaganite dream of expansion eventually creating more real revenue than never really comes to pass because another recession always comes and screws it up. Reagan projected a surplus for 1988 but then 1987. CBO had similar for Bush tax cuts for 2010 but then 2008

1883  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Newt Gingrich: Obama has turned off voters through "radicalism and incompetence" on: November 01, 2014, 05:28:12 pm
Editor's note: Newt Gingrich is author of "Breakout: Pioneers of the Future, Prison Guards of the Past, and the Epic Battle That Will Decide America's Fate." The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author. He will be offering his analysis live on CNN on Tuesday night.

(CNN) ---President Barack Obama has turned off large parts of America through radicalism, incompetence and political ineptness. As my friend Barry Casselman argues, "Obama has the worst political tin ear I've seen at that level. (I realize he thinks he is bringing out his base vote). But he's almost daring most Americans to turn against him." My prediction for midterm election night this coming Tuesday is that many Americans are going to take the President up on his dare.

Of course, nothing is over until it's over. Hard campaigning and a few changes in the news can shift races, and there are a lot of races within the margin of error in polling. However, as my colleague Joe Gaylord, with whom I worked on campaigns for 30 years, points out: "In tidal years everything collapses against the losers the last weekend." He remembers races in 1982 where our incumbent was up by 10 points on Friday and lost on Tuesday.

My take is that this is going to be a tide if not a tidal wave. Why? Because in most races, Democrats will stay home, Republicans will vote and independents will break heavily against the Democrats. Recent polls indicate the younger voters (millennials) are likely to break Republican after two massive victories for Obama in that age group. Latinos seem much more favorable to Republicans than many expected and much less likely to turn out for Democrats. Meanwhile, the margin for Democrats among women has shrunk dramatically, and in some races Republicans are now carrying both men and women (and that really would create a tidal wave).

And while the African-American community remains the most loyal to President Obama, even there a fight has been developing. Some new ads appealing to African-Americans to leave the Democratic Party are stirring up a lot of attention, so it will be fascinating election night to watch for African-American turnout and for a small but real increase in the Republican vote among African-Americans (note, for example, Gov. John Kasich's endorsement by a leading African-American newspaper in Ohio).

1884  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Killer Presidents on: October 28, 2014, 05:46:35 pm
what about Obama's kill list
1885  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ideologically, who was more right-wing between these two Presidents? on: October 28, 2014, 05:45:09 pm
They were both very right-wing in their own ways.
1886  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the polar opposites: FDR vs. RWR on: October 28, 2014, 05:44:23 pm
FDR and I don't think this is debatable
1887  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ronald Reagan vs. Richard Nixon on: October 28, 2014, 05:42:33 pm
1888  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / FBI Searches Home Of Suspected Post-Snowden Intelligence Leaker on: October 28, 2014, 05:35:08 pm
NEW YORK -- The FBI has searched the Northern Virginia home of a government contractor suspected of disclosing details of the U.S. government's terrorist watch list to The Intercept, according to Yahoo News.

Yahoo’s Michael Isikoff reported Monday that the federal prosecutors have opened up a criminal investigation into disclosures from the suspected “second leaker,” a reference to the source not being former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden.

In August, The Intercept’s Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Devereaux reported that nearly half of the 680,000 people on the U.S. database of terrorist suspects “are not connected to any known terrorist group.” They described the documents they received as having been provided by a “source in the intelligence community.”

Scahill, along with Intercept co-founders Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, has reported extensively on classified documents provided by Snowden. But Poitras’s new documentary, Citizenfour, makes clear that Snowden was not Scahill's source. In fact, Snowden appears shocked at the end of the film about the degree of information provided by the "second leaker."


1889  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary: "Businesses don't create jobs" on: October 26, 2014, 07:50:14 pm
If you actually watched the video, she was clearly talking about "trickle-down" economics. You know, the Republican Party's brilliant idea that giving rich people more money will make everyone richer.

"It has been tried..and it has failed."

I don't see how this is controversial, unless you're a dumb or you're trying to divert attention away from the Republican Party's dismal record at job creation.

1890  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: The "I voted" thread on: October 26, 2014, 07:45:50 pm
Voted today. Straight ticket D, for the most part.
1891  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2014 General Election - President and Regional Senators on: October 26, 2014, 04:43:44 pm
President and Vice President
1. Marokai/Antonio

Mideast Senator
1. windjammer
1892  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Jack Bruce (Cream bassist/singer) dead at 71 on: October 25, 2014, 11:01:22 am
Jack Bruce, bassist from 1960s band Cream, has died aged 71, his publicist confirms.

Legendary supergroup Cream, which also included Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker, are now considered one of the most important bands in rock history.

They sold 35 million albums in just over two years and were given the first ever platinum disc for Wheels of Fire.

Bruce wrote and sang most of the songs, including "I Feel Free" and "Sunshine Of Your Love".


1893  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is Bushie the most selfish Atlas poster? on: October 24, 2014, 08:41:26 pm
"Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others."
1894  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I don’t expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 24, 2014, 06:31:54 pm
Louie Gohmert must have felt a disturbance in the force because he went out and made a more ridiculous comment:


Don't worry, King will be back next week-if not before-in the latest installment of "But wait-there's more!" series of the Congressional Clown Caucus.
1895  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Ted Cruz staffer trolls hard on Twitter on: October 24, 2014, 02:41:39 pm

1896  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you hire Bushie for a $20/hour job? on: October 23, 2014, 09:33:49 pm
If I don't make $20/hour, why should he?


I got a freaking BACHELOR'S degree and work full time at an office and I don't make that much money.  Why the hell should Bushie?

Meh. Bushie got e-degree in e-something. He deserved better.

Man, I can't imagine Bushie in a college setting.  Did he go to a real school or one of Pat Robertson's shams?

He went to an Oklahoma state school, IIRC.
1897  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is Obama finished? on: October 23, 2014, 06:36:44 pm
Obama 2016!
1898  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: RNC: America needs a principled conservative leader-like George W. Bush on: October 23, 2014, 12:44:59 pm
Woohoo we're expanding Medicaid and passing immigration reform!!!

Don't distract us with your liberal nitpicking.

EDIT: Fair enough. But consider that these are the same people who are supposedly more attentive, educated, and informed about politics than most everyone else. The bar seems depressingly low.
1899  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / RNC: America needs a principled conservative leader-like George W. Bush on: October 23, 2014, 12:40:35 pm
In a fundraising email sent out Tuesday, RNC chief operating officer Sara Armstrong promised Republicans would bring the leadership qualities of President George W. Bush to the Senate if they prevailed in the upcoming Nov. 4 midterm elections.

“President George W. Bush once said, ‘I will live and lead by these principles: to advance my convictions with civility, to pursue the public interest with courage, to speak for greater justice and compassion, to call for responsibility and try to live it as well,’” the email starts.

“That’s what America needs right now: a big dose of leadership. The kind of principled conservative leadership President Bush provided our great nation. And the kind of leadership Republicans will deliver when we win a Senate majority.

1900  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rank Each State on the Spectrum on: October 22, 2014, 04:02:56 pm
How on earth is Connecticut "Populist Leaning Liberal"?

Isn't it the richest state in the Union?

Not everyone in CT is rich, believe it or not. Yes, the Gold Coast and parts of the rest of the state are insane, but many of CT's towns and cities are certainly not rich.

Check the results of elections by town maps in CT.  Notice any patterns?
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