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1876  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of Norman Thomas on: January 16, 2015, 02:45:31 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Thomas

FF.
1877  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which country would you prefer the US to be allied with? on: January 16, 2015, 02:16:56 pm
The way I see it, Saudi Arabia might oppress its own people slightly more than Iran does (Iran only deserves a little credit for its quasi-democratic institutions), but it's also much less of a threat to international peace. Yeah, Saudi Arabia does throw its weight around in the gulf (see e.g. Bahrain), and individual Saudi Arabians fund awful causes, but state policy doesn't support anything nearly as harmful as a WMD program or the "annihilation of Israel."

I guess if "being allied with Iran" meant that Iran stopped supporting terrorism and regimes like Assad's, I might consider that option. But Saudi Arabia would still have the advantage as a more important producer of oil, and as a more natural ally of other Sunni states such as Egypt.

All you're really saying here is that Saudi Arabia has more plausible deniability for the horrible things that it gets up to, and/or that the horrible things that it gets up to are insidious rather than self-evidently dangerous. Which we all knew already.

At least we can trust the people in charge of Iran not to bulldoze Persepolis to build a parking garage or something.

Aren't many wealthy Saudi families-including members of the royal family, the bin Ladens, and others-a very significant source of foreign investment in the United States? I seem to recall hearing that they own a lot of land, office buildings, stakes in many public corporations, etc. in America.

Obviously they hold tons of petro-dollars.
1878  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Romney even have a chance this time? on: January 16, 2015, 02:10:46 pm
Yes.
1879  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What is Andrew Cuomo's ideology? on: January 16, 2015, 02:08:46 pm
He might be to the right of Rick Santorum,

On which issues?
1880  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Shelly More Capito on: January 16, 2015, 02:08:16 pm
The WV trend toward the GOP isn't really because of abortion

Or other social/religious issues, for that matter.
1881  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rick Snyder Vetoes Gun Bill on: January 16, 2015, 01:49:54 pm
Good on him, and good on Gabby Giffords and other survivors of violence for urging him to veto it.
1882  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Pope Francis on Paris Attack - "one who throws insults can expect a 'punch'" on: January 16, 2015, 01:43:50 pm
There is nothing wrong with insulting religions either. Insulting a religion is not the same as insulting believers.
You couldn't be more wrong about that, and I feel the same way in regards to non-thiestic religions such as atheism and humanism.  That said, insulting religious leaders is in general not the same as insulting their religion or their followers.  I say in general because in a very real sense, Muhammad, Jesus, Gautama , etc. have transcended being people who are leaders of a religion to becoming symbols of that religion.  That's a distinction that many secularists have difficulty grasping the concept of, let alone acknowledging the validity thereof.

Atheism is a religion? Huh
1883  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The myth of Jeb's protege (Politico) on: January 16, 2015, 01:42:00 pm
Interesting article, thanks for posting.
1884  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Andrew Cuomo vs. Ayn Rand on: January 16, 2015, 01:40:43 pm
There are grown men in a certain political party who proudly cite Ayn Rand as an influence.

Is that not disturbing?
1885  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: D-MD vs. I-CT on: January 16, 2015, 12:26:52 am
1. They don't care about social issues
2. Not in your face religious
3. Support some liberal policies in terms of poverty, healthcare, etc.

FFs IMO

1. And this is a good thing-how?
2. So?
3. Keyword "some"

But anyway, "WASPs" aren't an actual demographic that can be differentiated (from other wealthy white people) easily. Especially nowadays. The term is basically just a cultural one to describe the traditional American Establishment/Power Elite, etc., regardless of the actual backgrounds of the people in that elite.



1886  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Antifascism amendment on: January 15, 2015, 08:11:58 pm
"I have in my briefcase a list of elected lawmakers known to be fascists...."

Fifth Columnists, I tell ya!
1887  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: D-MD vs. I-CT on: January 15, 2015, 07:23:36 pm
moderate WASP heroes

ew.
1888  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US Army recruits for "Mission for God" on: January 15, 2015, 07:16:16 pm
This must be somewhere in the South.

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There it was; an in-your-face, proselytizing, U.S. Army officially-approved (goarmy.com) recruiting poster on prominent display at an Armed Forces Career Center in Phoenix, Arizona.

Oddly, while Arizona is very conservative in its political culture,  it's not really part of the Bible Belt. It's closer to the Mormon Belt, if anything.

EDIT: Saw your edit.
1889  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would benefit the most from a Bush vs. Romney stand-off? on: January 15, 2015, 07:09:33 pm
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One thing is clear at this juncture. If both men run, they become each other's first hurdle. Both will also need to deal with Christie, to prevent any establishment assets from being siphoned off in that direction. All three of these center-right candidates will need to focus first on each other, rather than on the base-oriented conservatives who will be vying to challenge them from the right.

In short, what had been a predictable contest has now the potential to be a far more volatile and intriguing test of the character and direction of the Republican Party in our time.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/01/14/377100391/what-if-mitt-and-jeb-really-do-go-at-it-hammer-and-tong
1890  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rupert Murdoch brutally attacks Romney - calls him a "terrible candidate" on: January 15, 2015, 06:59:23 pm
Jeb +1
1891  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What outcome wouldn't be embarrassing for Romney? on: January 15, 2015, 06:39:25 pm
For what it's worth, Richard Nixon barely lost to JFK in 1960, and lost by a larger margin to Pat Brown in 1962 in his bid for Governor of California. He was written off by everybody then-even himself. Furthermore, Ronald Reagan lost two bids for the Republican nomination (including a close one in 1976) and was dismissed by many observers at the time as a right-wing crank (from Hollywood B-movie fame, no less!).

Both of these men eventually became President, and were reelected in landslides.

Don't count Romney out just yet.

1892  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: RomneyWatch: Upgrade to "Almost certainly" running again on: January 15, 2015, 06:30:32 pm
It's also worth remembering the strength of the epistemic bubbles that surround Presidential candidates. If 2012 taught us nothing else, it's that Romney and his associates - who apparently believed through election day that his victory was all but assured - are surrounded by an especially strong bubble. (Maybe he's reading the Atlas?The reaction among conservatives here seems to have been more positive than the reaction among conservatives elsewhere, which might tell us something interesting.)

Wealthy conservatives like Romney.
1893  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Seth Moulton on: January 15, 2015, 06:08:26 pm
Who?
1894  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Of the 5 candidates who have declared, who would do best? on: January 15, 2015, 06:06:56 pm
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Candidates

Vermin Supreme, a 9/11 Truther,  the Burn the Koran pastor,  some ex-Constitution Party candidate, or a former candidate for the Prohibition Party (yes, that is a thing in 2015).

It's your choose.
1895  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What week will Clinton announce? on: January 15, 2015, 06:02:14 pm
^I see that bet guess, and raise  Feb. 23rd-March 1st.

I go with my gut!
1896  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: List every GOP candidate you think will win more than one primary/caucus in 2016 on: January 15, 2015, 05:59:35 pm
Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney
Scott Walker
Ted Cruz
Rand Paul (although him not winning anything is equally possible)

Three, maybe four major candidates. Someone like Cruz or Paul is very unlikely to win, but will energize the base enough for their demands to be addressed at the Republican National Convention, and the GOP nominee (I'm guessing it'll be Bush or Romney, with Walker being less likely but not entirely implausible, IMO)  will likely need to pick a firebrand conservative like Cruz as their running mate.

1897  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Hillary Clinton on: January 15, 2015, 04:31:38 pm
It is interesting to read the shrill responses.

"Soulless" "opportunist" ... gee, good thing no one else like that gets into politics.
I said an opportunist of the worst kind.

How?

I keep hearing these views of her, but I don't see anything different to any other politician nor any real evidence to suggest why she's apparently the worst person in the Democratic Party...

I'm a Hillary supporter, but not a passionate one... but the level of histrionics in the attacks on her - really is pretty bloody ridiculous.

I'm guessing it's people who still believe the hype from 2008. That being, Obama was the left wing savior whereas Hillary was an evil right wing warmonger. Of course this was fairly silly, considering the Iraq War vote was the only major policy difference between them. People always talk about Hillary supporters being bitter, but it seems there's just as many bitter people on the other side, which is fairly strange considering they're the ones who won and have the least reason to be bitter...

We have to remember the context of the 2008 election. I think that Obama actually benefited from being a fresh, untested candidate (ie lacking much of a political record that he could be held accountable for) who didn't have longstanding ties to Washington, D. C.,  and who could energize growing Democratic-leaning demographics (youth, African-Americans, urban liberals more generally). After all, people were really, really sick of the status quo in Washington-in both parties. Even the Republicans were touting their "maverick" side (McCain) and put a total Washington outsider and political neophyte on the ticket (i. e. Sarah Palin).

1898  Forum Community / Forum Community / Just got a phone call about an amazing and unique business opportunity.... on: January 15, 2015, 03:53:22 pm
...but since I'm not Bushie, I politely declined the offer. Something about working with olds senior citizens.

A quick Google search of the number=totally legitimate scammer. Thanks, Google!




1899  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election - May 7th 2015 on: January 14, 2015, 01:49:45 pm
Another breakaway party from the Tories.
1900  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CA-Sen: California Quake on: January 14, 2015, 12:37:02 pm
This isn't a "once in a generation opportunity". There will be two more spots opening up in 2018. (One for gov, one for Feinstein's seat).

Feinstein doesn't strike you as a lifer? And you don't think it might help a pol to raise their name recognition by running now, to help with possible later runs?
I'd be very surprised if Feinstein retires. The assumption around here is that she's as certain a lifer as they come.

She'll be 85 in 2018, FWIW.
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