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1876  General Politics / Economics / Re: opebo was right about a $15/hour minimum wage on: September 29, 2014, 02:56:14 pm
And here I thought it was the Right which was reflexively anti-intellectual, dismissive of whole fields of study, with contempt toward the "Ivory Tower" or whatever dumb epithet people have for it.

Not saying I disagree with the substance of what memphis is saying, though.
1877  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: September 29, 2014, 02:44:09 pm
Looks like we're in for another 50 years of White Guilt. I thought it would be done and dusted by the time the 21st century arrived.

Yes, because 400+ years of colonialism, racism, discrimination and their social and economic aftereffects should have been completely erased the minute the the last piece of civil rights legislation was passed in the 1960s.

Racism ended when BHO was elected POTUS.

In other news,  people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the biggest racists in America, no contest.

It's hilarious how your first point is great sarcasm and obviously not true, and then you turn around with an epic fail below it.

Both points were sarcasm...
1878  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: neoconservatives vs new right on: September 29, 2014, 10:52:17 am
Which "New Right" are we talking about here? The one epitomized by Frank Meyer and William F. Buckley, Jr. or the one represented by Richard Viguerie, Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips, etc.?
1879  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Michele Bachmann: gay marriage is "not an issue", it's "boring" on: September 28, 2014, 11:07:49 pm
I wonder what Marcus Bachmann thinks of this.
1880  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What are the biggest things that are getting better in the US and world? on: September 28, 2014, 08:06:43 pm
Access to information is more equalized than ever before.

But simply having access to information whenever people want doesn't necessarily make people better informed, or more skilled at critical thinking, or more able to exercise good judgement...etc.
Information =/= knowledge, let alone being able to utilize knowledge effectively.

And there are still big inequities in access to information, both within the population and between the population vs. governments and corporations. Some would say that those inequities are a good thing.
1881  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Describe the likely political views of the previous hypothetical person on: September 25, 2014, 06:39:08 pm
^Democrat with traditionalist cultural values, but maybe willing to vote on occasion for a "respectable" Republican-one that really values education, is accepting of at least some diversity, and isn't a Christian Right type. Overall, though, being a young professional woman leads me to think she would be a pretty strong Democrat.

Age: 43
Gender: Male
Race: White non-Hispanic (of German, Scottish, Scots-Irish, Welsh, Dutch, and English ancestry)
Education: BA in Economics from a four-year college
Occupation: Sales Manager for an aerospace firm
Income: $87,000
Marital Status: Married (3 children, wife does not work)
Religion: Non-denominational Christian
Location: Sugar Land, Texas
Place of birth: Ottawa, Kansas
1882  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Describe the likely political views of the previous hypothetical person on: September 25, 2014, 06:26:50 pm
^Probably a fairly typical mainstream liberal Democrat, perhaps with an idealistic streak.

Age: 28
Gender: Male
Race: White Hispanic (Mexican ancestry: second-generation
Education: High school diploma + one year of university
Occupation: Assistant retail manager at a supermarket
Personal Income: $35k
Marital Status: Married (wife makes $20k=combined income of $55k. No children).
Religion: Evangelical Protestant
Location: Tuscon, Arizona
1883  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeff Sessions on: September 25, 2014, 10:43:18 am
He'd really be able to speak to the old Southern white men that have grown distrustful of conservatives and swing them back into the GOP tent.

It's part of the Republican Outreach Strategy to minorities. Just like how billionaires who just more  tax cuts are a persecuted minority in America. Sad
1884  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Give up your freedom and you can have sex all the time!" on: September 25, 2014, 12:30:57 am
What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought “to imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned,” said the citing stray calls from the right to “arrest abortion-breast cancer link deniers.”

Except no conservative has ever suggested such a thing.

The sexual/economic license contrast you make is more on point.  It can seem weird to a conservative that some liberal who is concerned with setting policies that deal with how many calories people eat, or what kind of lightbulb people use, can be so adamantly hands off when it comes to sex.  And it can seem weird to a liberal that a conservative who talks about small government is so focused on getting government out of the economy but doesn't seem to give certain invasions of privacy or restrictions on sexual autonomy a second thought.

It doesn't seem weird at all, when you recognize that the divide is between those who maintain that too much social inequality-broadly speaking-is a problem and those who think that vast inequality is not a problem at all.

Notice how tone-deaf (or even displaying outright hostility) many conservatives are on issues of civil rights-such as those for women, LGBTs, and minorities. They don't seem to recognize that some groups in society are favored over others, which contradicts their professed commitment to "equality of opportunity." They also seem to believe that the "isms" of racism, sexism, etc. are a thing of the past, something some bad people in Mississippi or whatever did in 1845 and who were total outliers in American history. Finally, they hold to a normative view of society that defends "traditional" power structures and hierarchies (Hence,  the opposition to feminism or equal rights for LGBT Americans).

Modern American conservatism is historically rooted in ferocious opposition to the most radically egalitarian ideology of all (socialism). But in their absolutist, paranoid thinking, many conservatives are convinced that the Moderate Heroes of the Democratic Party (and the Republicans who they don't think are pure enough, or who are willing to work with Democrats from time to time) is equivalent to Marxism. That's a belief straight out of the John Birch Society kooky conspiracy file. Unfortunately, conservatives have not seriously repudiated these beliefs, and if anything they have become more popular than ever among self-professed conservatives.
1885  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What is Republican economic policy? on: September 25, 2014, 12:12:21 am
Republican economic policy: roll back social welfare programs (particularly those that directly affect poor people), cut taxes for rich people and middle-income people (to a much lesser extent, granted, but still...), block any and all broad-based legislation that would actually help the poor, the working-poor, and the rest of the working population (such as minimum wage increases, extension of unemployment benefits, or spending programs like the stimulus bill, or Obamacare, or any jobs bill in Congress....) , and when all of the economic and social problems that inevitably occur from the resulting inequality and depressed consumer demand-blame it on Obama/the Democrats.

1886  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: September 25, 2014, 12:02:34 am
Looks like we're in for another 50 years of White Guilt. I thought it would be done and dusted by the time the 21st century arrived.

Yes, because 400+ years of colonialism, racism, discrimination and their social and economic aftereffects should have been completely erased the minute the the last piece of civil rights legislation was passed in the 1960s.

Racism ended when BHO was elected POTUS.

In other news,  people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the biggest racists in America, no contest.
1887  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Roberts vs. Brownback on: September 25, 2014, 12:01:04 am
What's the difference, really?
1888  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of La Salle Parish, Louisiana on: September 24, 2014, 11:59:22 pm
They have no problem voting for the Klansman but do have a problem voting for the Indian American? LOL. Some patriotic 'Muricans right here.

The Klan claims to be a patriotic organization though. It had 5 million members nationwide in the mid-1920s, and had representatives in both major parties. Hell, how far removed from that were  Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms, other than being more "respectable" than the Klan? They were sitting US Senators as recently as the beginning of the 21st century.
1889  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the United States Constitution on: September 24, 2014, 11:51:15 pm
Obviously a deeply flawed document, and a product of its time, the elite group who wrote it, etc. Still, it's useful to study, if only to gain more of an appreciation for the foundations of the American political and legal systems.
1890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The US Democratic Party or the Communist Party of Greece on: September 24, 2014, 11:47:21 pm
The one that I can actually vote for?
1891  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: September 24, 2014, 04:46:56 pm
Disgraceful. Utterly disgraceful. People go to school so they can be taught, not so they can offer up social and political commentary.

I agree that the right-wing school board's proposal to turn the teaching of American history into (right-wing) social and political commentary is utterly disgraceful.
1892  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Colorado students walk out of class to protest right-wing revision of history on: September 24, 2014, 02:54:54 pm
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DENVER (CBS4/AP) — Hundreds of students walked out of classrooms around suburban Denver on Tuesday in protest over a conservative-led school board proposal to focus history education on topics that promote citizenship, patriotism and respect for authority, providing a show of civil disobedience that the new standards would aim to downplay.

The youth protest in the state’s second-largest school district follows a sick-out from teachers that shut down two high schools in the politically and economically diverse area that has become a key political battleground.

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The school board proposal that triggered the walkout calls of instructional materials that present positive aspects of the nation and its heritage. It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials “promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights” and don’t “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law.”

“Students at my school plan to walk out of classes in protest of the Jeffco school board’s new proposed Advanced Placement U.S. History Curriculum Revision Committee which aims to teach students to become more ‘patriotic’ and less ‘rebellious’ by portraying the history of our country in a better light,” Arvada West High School senior Jack Shefrin said in a statement.


http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/09/23/jeffco-students-plan-to-protest-history-proposal/

1893  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What is Republican economic policy? on: September 24, 2014, 02:48:14 pm
Do things in the short term that stimulate 51% of Americans to vote for you again.

More like 25%. Remember, only half of Americans' actually vote in presidential elections. Even lesser numbers vote in other elections. Hardly a mandate.
1894  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How would you fix the Republican Party? on: September 23, 2014, 08:56:11 pm
Is the Republican Party truly in danger?  I doubt it.  The utter clusterf**k that is the US economy is pinned squarely on Obama now, rightly or wrongly (wrongly), and the GOP had a deathgrip on one of the two houses of Congress and can and have ground Democratic Presidents to a total halt in terms of agenda.  None of this will change if Clinton wins in 2016, she will flounder as ineffectually as Obama has now that the GOP has realized that they can just...not pass anything.

Unfortunately true. The nice thing for the Republicans about believing what they believe- that the problem with America today is that the government does too much for most Americans (and not enough for business owners and other rich people)- is that once in office, they don't actually have to propose any new policies or even come up with actual ideas for policies. All they have to do is throw red meat out to their True Believers (like voting to repeal Obamacare every other week, or investigating Benghazi to find out WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, or..) and they'll get voted back in, time and time again. This is a party that, nowadays, prides itself on its lack of legislative accomplishments. You can't fix an organization when most of their members and leaders believe that the only issue is that they haven't doubled down enough on their current tactics.
1895  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: American forces bomb ISIS targets in Iraq on: September 23, 2014, 08:46:45 pm
First day of US-bombings in Syria: ca. 50-120 Islamofascists dead (and 11+ civilians, 3+ children)

http://orf.at/stories/2246804/2246798

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29333348

I hate that term. It's blatantly inaccurate and just indicates the person who uses it has no clue what the hell fascism is beyond an epithet for subjectively bad stuff.

Stupidofascists
1896  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Emma Watson-speech about women's rights in front of UN on: September 23, 2014, 08:45:45 pm
Ugh. We should not being encouraging people to be more emotionally open. Just no.

And we should listen to random celebrities because?

(Haven't looked at link and don't intend to because I don't listen to random celebrities.)

Nothing more annoying than a politically involved celebrity.

Indeed. What a horrible young lady. How dare she speak out about something she feels passionate about! Who does she think she is? Stupid naive liberal woman, caring about other people. Screw that liberal BS. She should spend less time talking and more time barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen like a good woman. Now that's real family values. Liberal women, I tell you, the nerve of them...

I'm just as irritated by male celebrities who do the same, and I'm fairly certain King is as well.

I too am irritated by men giving speeches on men's rights.
1897  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Current laws against SSM are not unequal? Sure... on: September 18, 2014, 09:46:15 pm
beta

whatever breh
1898  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum, 2014 on: September 18, 2014, 06:37:25 pm
lay off oldiesfreak, he supports the Republican Party in 2014 because Lincoln freed the slaves.
1899  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeff Sessions on: September 18, 2014, 06:28:26 pm
lol
1900  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum prediction thread on: September 18, 2014, 03:39:32 pm
No 52%
Yes 48%
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