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1876  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: If "economic" and "social" issues are separate spheres.... on: February 21, 2013, 08:32:12 pm
The whole political compass/axis thing is a fraud propagated by libertarians.

You are easily one of my favorite posters here.
1877  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which religious group has the most control over the GOP? on: February 21, 2013, 08:27:34 pm

I mean come on, they base all of their foreign policy decisions on what they're doing

1878  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Which religious group has the most control over the GOP? on: February 21, 2013, 08:20:07 pm
The Republican Party, despite its reputation nowadays as being the "Bible Belt" Party (which implies white evangelical Protestants, especially but not exclusively in the South), is actually fairly diverse in terms of the religious backgrounds of its voters and supporters (and there are a good deal of differences within the different mainline denominations, to say nothing of the many, many evangelical denominations and the phenomenon of "non-denominational" Christianity). Plus, the more devout (white) Catholics are, the more conservative they tend to be politically (though there's also a huge gender gap among white Catholics....) And what of the LDS Church or certain communities of Orthodox Jews? Hard to find a Democrat in those communities.

The two/three factors that all these people seem to have in common:

They are (non-Hispanic) white, they are (mostly) Christian, and they have a relatively high level of "religiosity (going to church on a regular basis for worship services, being involved in donating time, money, and energy to their churches, etc.) compared to the general population.

With all that being said: which of the choices in the poll is generally the most dominant in the modern Republican Party?
1879  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Progressive Realist For Pacific Governor on: February 21, 2013, 05:44:17 pm
As the candidate of The People's Party (TPP) for Governor of the Pacific Region, I am committed to restoring the Pacific's greatness as the region where all the cool kids  are.

The logic for voting for me is simple:

A. The Pacific has a disproportionate share of cool Atlasians.

B. But not a cool Governor.

C. So, elect me as Governor, and the cool Atlasians will have a Governor worthy of their coolness. Also, perhaps I will even give out cool points to those who wish to join us, if am I elected Governor. We shall see.

So, my fellow Atlasians in the Pacific Region, whether you are actually cool or are not cool yet, but want to be cool, I promise you this: everyone deserves an equal opportunity to be cool.That is my platform in a nutshell.

Stay Cool.

1880  General Politics / Political Debate / If "economic" and "social" issues are separate spheres.... on: February 20, 2013, 08:41:33 pm
...then why are most Americans fairly consistently "left-leaning" (in the American sense) on both social and economic issues or "right-leaning" on,again, both social and economic issues?

In other words, the actual number of people who are "social liberals and economic conservatives" or vice versa is fairly small, actually. Most people, whether they are liberal, moderate, or conservative, are the same orientation in terms of "social" and "economic" issues.
1881  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Civil War in Syria on: February 20, 2013, 12:02:21 pm
RIYADH/DOHA, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia and Qatar share
the West's alarm at the rise of al Qaeda-aligned groups in
Syria, but say the answer is for outsiders like them to be more
involved in backing rebels there.

The two Gulf Arab states rooting for President Bashar
al-Assad's overthrow appear to be chafing at Western pressure to
keep out of the fight, arguing that building ties through aid
and advice to favoured opposition groups is the only way to
ensure other, hardline Islamist factions are sidelined.

The United States and Europe want to avoid arming rebel
militias for fear that weaponry will find its way to
ultra-orthodox Sunni Muslim groups close to jihadis like al

1882  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Even if you feel like you might get raped, you may not, so no guns for you on: February 19, 2013, 09:03:20 pm
There are over 1800 rapes a day in the United States.
Krazen makes an average of 6 posts a day.
Therefore, every time krazen makes a post, 300 women are raped.


1883  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Professor Memorial Megathread for Developing Social Skills on: February 19, 2013, 08:07:45 pm
Great thread! Cheesy

A few thoughts from my perspective...

I think it's important for people to learn how to feel comfortable with themselves and learn how to communicate self-confidence (which isn't necessarily the same thing as being self-confident, actually, though the two are of course related! Smiley ) Also, there's a lot of value to manners and etiquette and learning the art (keyword)  of "small talk."

The key word for all this is learn. Nobody's innately born with amazing social skills ( a skill is something you learn). It's a learning curve for everybody. Just  like anything else in life, some people are ahead of the curve, some are behind it, most are somewhere in between. Recognizing this takes a lot of the pressure off(it has and continues to do for me! Smiley ). You will make mistakes, you will need to get outside your comfort zone, but that's the only way you will learn-by actively appyling your knowledge! Smiley

Lastly, no matter how alienated you feel from the world, no matter how down you get on yourself, no matter how bad you think you have it, remember this: You have something to offer the world that no one else has. Accept that, recognize that, cherish that fact as a fundamental, core belief for yourself. Also related to this, don't compare yourself in a negative light to other people, for I know from experience that that just leads to feeling worse about yourself-which is the opposite of what you want.

I say all this, by the way, as someone, like BK, who has also been socially awkward at times (moreso when I was younger, but I have my moments here and there still Wink ). Things have gotten better though, so don't fret too much if you feel hopeless about social situations. Just try to enjoy the process of social interactions, developing friendships, meeting people, dating, or just shooting the sh*t with some buddies. All of these have their place.

Anyway, I hope I've been of help to someone in this post! Smiley Bacon King, thank you once again for this valuable thread!
1884  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is the generation with the most information at their fingertips so dumb? on: February 18, 2013, 05:47:35 pm
Information =/= intelligence, of course.

But yeah, another lol Naso thread.
1885  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Rand Paul: No decision on presidential run until 2014 on: February 17, 2013, 12:07:15 pm
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) won’t make a decision about whether or not he will run for president in 2016 until next year, he said Sunday.

“We won’t make a decision until 2014,” Paul said on “Fox News Sunday.”

Paul said he would “absolutely not run unless it were to win,” and added that he believes country is ready for a coming “Republican libertarian narrative.”


1886  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: does liberalism have a lot of internal contradictions? on: February 17, 2013, 11:53:08 am
Democrats stand for the poor

1887  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum IRC Channel on: February 16, 2013, 04:01:15 pm
1888  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: February 15, 2013, 07:06:43 pm
After careful deliberation, I hereby announce my candidacy for Governor of the Pacific Region for The People's Party in the March 2013 regional election. Smiley
1889  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: February 2013 Presidential, Regional Senate and Special At-Large Senate Election on: February 15, 2013, 06:53:02 pm
Pacific Senate: oakvale

At-Large Senate: Adam Griffin

President and Vice President: Write-in: Newt Gingrich and Andrew Cuomo

1890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of the I-85 Corridor on: February 15, 2013, 12:49:07 pm
The I-85 Corridor is a multi-state region that follows Interstate 85 across the Southeastern United States. It stretches from Montgomery, Alabama to Petersburg, Virginia. Principal metropolitan areas include Metro Atlanta; Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, South Carolina (also known as The Upstate); the Charlotte metropolitan area; the North Carolina Triad (which includes Greensboro, Winston-Salem and High Point); and the Research Triangle (which includes Raleigh and Durham).

A number of studies have identified parts of the region as a developing megalopolis[1] or "megapolitan area".[2] (see also Piedmont Atlantic MegaRegion) In particular, the metro areas of the Triangle, Triad, Charlotte (together as the Piedmont Crescent), Greenville-Spartanburg and Atlanta are growing toward each other. The area also appears to be growing toward the Northeast Megalopolis by way of two corridors through Virginia; indeed, both Petersburg and its twin city, Richmond, are considered part of the Megalopolis. It is also growing toward a developing megalopolis centered on Atlanta, stretching from Chattanooga, Tennessee to Birmingham, Alabama.


Seems to me like this area is a big part of the latest "New South." Tongue
1891  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politico:Boehner: No minimum wage hike on: February 15, 2013, 12:45:01 pm
This is for the GOP....GOOD LUCK IN 2014 lololol

Don't ever assume that voters (particularly American voters) will vote based on objective policy reasons and/or their own interests.

What does "their own interests" even mean?
1892  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Krugman: The myth of America's "moral decline" on: February 14, 2013, 12:16:44 pm
"Traditional families are indeed in decline; so is traditional organized religion.

From these declines [Nick] Eberstadt concludes that we are in danger of social collapse. But what he somehow misses is that the notion that traditional families and religion are essential to social order is a theory, not a fact — and it’s a theory that is overwhelmingly refuted by recent experience.

I look at America in the 2013 of the Common Era — notice my war on Christianity — and see the healthiest society, in some key dimensions, of my adult life.


But back to Eberstadt: his whole argument is based on the presumption that society is doomed if the traditional — and, I think it’s fair to say, patriarchal — structure isn’t maintained without change. Let people cohabit, maybe even marry others of the same sex, choose their faith or choose not to have any faith, and we will degenerate in a Hobbesian nightmare. We used to point to Scandinavia as a counter-example, but the reply would be that their homogeneous societies (not really, but that was the legend) were nothing like ours. But now we’re a cohabiting, free-love, free-religion dystopia too — and it’s OK.

Why do they hate America?

1893  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Ku Klux Klan on: February 13, 2013, 08:23:23 pm
1. It would have made no sense for Nixon to pander to racists, covertly or otherwise, in 1968, because George Wallace was running as an overt racist.  It would be like Romney campaigning in California or Obama campaigning in Texas in 2012--it's pointless because those voters are safely in your opponent's column.  Nixon's running mate, Spiro Agnew, was a strong supporter of civil rights who had defeated a segregationist Democrat for governor of Maryland in 1966.  That's no smart way to win the votes of bigots.  Plus, if race was still such a hot issue in 1968, then why would overt racism have backfired on Nixon but not on Wallace?

It absolutely made sense for Nixon to pander to covert racists, since Wallace had a lot of support among the "overt" racists but little support outside of that. However-and this is something that needs to be understood especially by you-whether you were Democratic, Republican, or Independent back then, or even now, if you were a white American, chances were, you were at least a covert racist.

Racism is by no means, no means limited to "uneducated hicks" from the rural  South or Appalachia, etc... There were (and still are) plenty of educated, "mainstream", suburban (and urban) middle-class and affluent white Americans who, though they may say they are "tolerant" or "progressive" on issues like, say, most civil rights issues, would not want (or be at best, somewhat uncomfortable with)  black or other (mostly) non-white "undesirable" elements in their neighborhoods, in their schools, in their churches, marrying their children....the list goes on.

Someone openly segregationist and bluntly anti-intellectual  like George Wallace, in 1968, offended most educated white middle-class suburbanites. But someone like Richard Nixon (or indeed,  Ronald Reagan in 1980) talking about "urban crime" and "law and order" or "welfare queens" or "states rights"...well, such ideas were (and still are, frankly) quite mainstream among white middle-class Americans. Indeed, there were millions of this "Silent Majority" of Americans who were upset by (among other things) civil rights legislation going "too fast", and Nixon took full advantage of such white middle-class fears.

Racism is not merely a personal belief or prejudice. It is an ideological framework for political and social control. This needs to be understood.
1894  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Perry County, Indiana on: February 13, 2013, 07:05:28 pm
The descendants of German Protestants in the USA are going to be so heavily intermarried with WASPs and in the Upper Midwest with Scandinavians, and are just such a milquetoast ethnicity, as to be almost unspottable even though actually one of the largest population groups in the US. They have no cohesion as a group.

This.^^^^ Also, this is true even of many Catholics of Irish, German, Italian ancestry, etc. Like on my mother's side, my aunt (her sister) is a Catholic of English, Irish, and Scottish ancestry while her husband is Italian (and Catholic). So my cousins have Italian, Irish, English, and Scottish in them.

Or even myself and my own immediate family-I have the same English and Scottish WASPy Protestant ancestries in me through my mom's side (as well as good deal of Irish Catholic), but my dad's side is German, French, Swiss, Luxemburger, etc. And they are heavily Protestant.

In other words, "German Protestants" or "English Americans" or "Scottish Americans", etc. are so assimilated into the White Mainstream Culture (TM) of the United States, that talking about them as individual voting groups nowadays is pretty silly. Tongue 

1895  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Perry County, Indiana on: February 12, 2013, 06:27:08 pm
The region with the greatest percentage of rural German Protestants is the Great Plains, and I'm pretty sure that those are (and have been) some of the most Republican states, period. Tongue

Do you have any maps on this?  From the Wikipedia map below, the largest concentration of rural German Americans seems to be in the Mid-West (Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa) plus the Dakotas and Eastern Nebraska. Except for Nebraska (which, however, appears to be predominantly Catholic), these States are rather known as solid Democrat, or pontential swing states (Dakotas)....

The Dakotas are not "potential swing states". They are and will be still pretty solidly Republican (especially North Dakota with the growth from the oil boom). Nebraska has a large Catholic population, but at about 27 percent, that's still a minority, outnumbered by Protestants ( mainline and evangelical). And you forgot Kansas, too, which is a heavily German state (mainly Protestant, but some Catholics too) that is very conservative/Republican. Missouri is yet another state with some heavily German rural areas (particularly the northern part of the state) that are quite Republican to this day.

Iowa is not very "solidly Democratic, and neither is Wisconsin either....
1896  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hypocritical Ron Paul betrays the Paultards, embraces the U.N. on: February 12, 2013, 06:17:04 pm
Ron Paul's entire political career has been as a fraud.
1897  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Perry County, Indiana on: February 11, 2013, 06:35:12 pm
The region with the greatest percentage of rural German Protestants is the Great Plains, and I'm pretty sure that those are (and have been) some of the most Republican states, period. Tongue
1898  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The political polarization of religious and non-religious people in America on: February 10, 2013, 04:06:52 pm
(and is why white Catholics are still much more Democratic than white Protestants, even if both voted for Romney).

Don't let BRTD know this. Tongue
1899  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The political polarization of religious and non-religious people in America on: February 10, 2013, 03:51:30 pm
Evangelical blacks are by far the most Democratic voter group.

Of course, I realize that the religious vs non-religious divide really applies only to white non-Hispanic Americans, as there are plenty of churchgoing Democrats when you look at racial and ethnic minorities...)
1900  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The political polarization of religious and non-religious people in America on: February 10, 2013, 03:41:03 pm
It's mostly a result of the culture wars. Quite a bit of American culture has changed over the last half century and thus politics will be divided for the forseable future between those who agree and disagree with those changes. These types of issues also tend to be ones with a more black-and-white feel to opinions on them, as opposed to taxes which at least in theory lends itself to an easier compromise.

So to go further with this...from what I understand, the "Culture Wars" are dominated (on both sides) by upper-middle class white activists and organizers. Make sense, since affluent people aren't as concerned with economic issues and daily needs as the working class in general, no? Tongue
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