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1876  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your favorite US President who served between Lincoln and FDR on: September 07, 2014, 07:42:10 pm
Wilson (normal).
1877  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Scott Brown sums up the bottom line of the American Right on: September 07, 2014, 07:33:30 pm
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Former Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown, who is now hoping to return to the Senate from New Hampshire, got caught by the busy little candidate trackers at the Democratic group American Bridge saying what everyone will now acknowledge is a "gaffe" when he said, in response to a question about what he would do to create jobs: "Here's the thing, folks say, what are you going to do to create jobs? I am not going to create one job, it is not my job to create jobs. It's yours. My job is to make sure that government stays out of your way so that you can actually grow and expand." No doubt someone's preparing an ad right now based on the quote:

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It may have been just a momentary slip of the tongue, maybe because he's gotten used to talking to audiences full of business owners, but when Brown talked about the government getting "out of your way so that you can actually grow and expand," you would have thought he was addressing the Chamber of Commerce. But from the video, this looks like an ordinary town meeting, the audience made up in large part of retirees, who probably aren't looking to "grow and expand."

This too is a longstanding Republican problem; as I've written about before: They've put business owners at the top of their moral hierarchy for so long that they've all but forgotten that most Americans are not actually entrepreneurs whose greatest concern is the top marginal tax rate. It just so happens that the people who can get immediate help from Republican policies are the businesspeople who would benefit in the short run from a tax break or a regulation that disappears. But other people—the kind who work for someone else and would like it if the government actually took affirmative steps to help them—are going to listen to arguments aimed at their bosses and shake their heads.

http://prospect.org/article/horrible-gaffe-scott-brown-straightforwardly-explains-conservative-philosophy
1878  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are deliberately unemployed people a drain on society? on: September 07, 2014, 12:17:56 pm
What about the Forbes 400 or whomever? Aren't they, in a sense, "deliberately unemployed"? /trollpost

But seriously...I agree with Antonio, to an extent.  Obviously not everyone can live like an upper-middle class Westerner, but I don't think that is what people really are demanding when they say they want basic access to food, health care, education, etc.-the things that go into a basically adequate (if not necessarily comfortable) standard of living.

And yes, the problem of unequal distribution must be addressed for this to happen.
1879  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UNICEF; 1 in 10 women sexually assaulted by age 20 on: September 06, 2014, 12:27:23 pm
I didn't realize that middle-class white men were the authority on defining sexual assault against women.

Real logical argument. You've convinced me.

So you don't think women are perhaps better judges of what constitutes sexual assault against women than men are?

I think what he's trying to say is there's no way to judge things like this without being biased against  somebody.

Let's look at the empirical reality. The vast majority of sexual assaults worldwide are committed by men against women.

But we have to be "unbiased" (whatever that means), because....
1880  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Is the previous poster to the left/right of you? on: September 06, 2014, 12:20:04 pm
Presumably to the Right
1881  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What is a WASP? on: September 06, 2014, 12:18:40 pm
In the context of 'WASP', though, Anglo Saxon just means English (irrespective of early mediaeval family history) and should be understood simply as the linguistic creation of a society obsessed with the idea of 'race' as a quantifiable scientific category.

Utilizing scientific insight to construct a rationale/justification for power hierarchies in society is a proud tradition in the "Western" world.
1882  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UNICEF; 1 in 10 women sexually assaulted by age 20 on: September 06, 2014, 12:12:04 pm
I didn't realize that middle-class white men were the authority on defining sexual assault against women.

Real logical argument. You've convinced me.

So you don't think women are perhaps better judges of what constitutes sexual assault against women than men are?
1883  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UNICEF; 1 in 10 women sexually assaulted by age 20 on: September 06, 2014, 11:21:51 am
I didn't realize that middle-class white men were the authority on defining sexual assault against women.
1884  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ted Cruz's dad: “The Average Black Does Not” Understand The Minimum Wage Is Bad on: September 05, 2014, 05:50:29 pm
Black voters are more rational actors than white voters. Black Republicans are generally upper class. It makes sense.

It's these poor whites complaining about the moochers not paying income tax that make no sense.

Actually it makes plenty of sense. Working class people compete with other working class people in the free-market capitalist economy. It figures that many of them-even poor ones- will internalize the "pursue your own economic self-interest" ideology that we all hear (and internalize to some extent). That self-interest is individual, and comes at the expense of others of the same status; additionally, a lot of people in this stratified system feel threatened by the people lower than them in status, even (or perhaps, especially)  if they themselves aren't doing well economically. Hence, the complaining about "the moochers not paying income tax" or "welfare queens" (although to be fair, that kind of thing cuts across class lines...)

It's different for black Americans obviously, because traditionally, they've been excluded as a group from the society at large, to say nothing of how limited social mobility has been for black people in America. Working-class whites (particularly white native-born men) have always had better prospects than non-white poors, relatively speaking.



1885  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ted Cruz's dad: “The Average Black Does Not” Understand The Minimum Wage Is Bad on: September 05, 2014, 09:59:44 am
African American voters have Stockholm Syndrome

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1886  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / State Representative to Utah Legislature: hospitals can be dangerous.... on: September 03, 2014, 04:30:01 pm
...therefore, we shouldn't expand Utah residents' access to Medicaid.

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“Sometimes access actually can mean harm,” said Representative Mike Kennedy, a family physician.

The Republican from Alpine repeated the argument more than once: “Sometimes access to health care can be damaging and dangerous. And it’s a perspective for the [Legislative] body to consider is that, I’ve heard from National Institutes of Health and otherwise that we’re killing up to a million, a million and a half people every year in our hospitals. And it’s access to hospitals that’s killing those people.”

Full article here: http://fox13now.com/2014/08/28/state-representative-to-legislature-hospitals-can-be-dangerous/
1887  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ted Cruz's dad: “The Average Black Does Not” Understand The Minimum Wage Is Bad on: September 02, 2014, 04:22:39 pm
Is this the GOP minority outreach? Blacks "need to be educated"?

Some would call it an upgrade from the "blacks are too stupid to be educated" version of racism.
1888  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: American forces bomb ISIS targets in Iraq on: September 02, 2014, 04:19:22 pm

*cue the Internet outrage*
1889  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which U.S. President do you most closely identify with? on: September 01, 2014, 03:30:07 pm
The bizarre nostalgia for Bush 41 is pretty strange. His policies in office were basically Reagan-lite. And he was a shameless political opportunist who pandered to hard-line right-wingers and racists to get elected (Willie Horton, anyone??) even though it was transparently obvious that he was not a right-wing ideologue himself (unlike Reagan). He was so indifferent to domestic economic woes that a political catchphrase was coined for him ("It's the economy, stupid!") And his foreign policy is way overrated, particularly by Very Serious People.

Finally, no President named George Bush should ever be thought of as an example of someone who practiced "good governance." The fact that George Bush the Elder was somewhat less bad as President than his son doesn't negate this.
1890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Minnesota or Colorado? on: September 01, 2014, 12:24:38 pm
and I prefer the more socially liberal beliefs of Colorado.

lol
1891  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Koch brothers on: September 01, 2014, 12:22:59 pm
More of a bogeyman at this point tbh.
1892  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of this quote on: August 31, 2014, 02:27:50 pm
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“We are told about the world before we see it. We imagine most things before we experience them. And those preconceptions, unless education has made us acutely aware, govern deeply the whole process of perception.”

―from Walter Lippmann, Public Opinion

The only part I would take out or modify is the "unless education has made us acutely aware." If anything, education often reinforces preconceptions (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).
1893  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Purely Capitalist Utopia vs. Purely Communist Utopia on: August 31, 2014, 02:23:11 pm
Since the world has never seen either, how can I make an informed choice?
1894  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is overpopulation and the human breeding the root of all evil on the planet ? on: August 30, 2014, 03:40:34 pm
Note that the countries that have the highest birth rates aren't necessarily the same countries as those with unsustainable patterns of consumption (which could be addressed, in part, by policies that promoted human need rather than economic growth-but that's some Utopian nonsense apparently...)

In other words, Nix, Bacon King, and Al are right.
1895  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans both support unions and right to work laws on: August 30, 2014, 01:56:57 pm
You expected something more from our Red Staters?

"Americans don't agree with me about something?  The idiots must have been fooled by the all powerful GOP PR machine!"

Well I never said they were idiots. Nice strawman though. I did say that everyone (including liberals, yes) is influenced to one degree or another by the American mass media, which is closely tied to corporate interests who have their own agenda that perhaps is not in the best interests of most people.  How is that controversial?

1896  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans both support unions and right to work laws on: August 29, 2014, 02:04:05 pm
Most Americans (ie non-rich people) are more aligned with the policy platform of the Democratic Party. They just don't know it-or rather, they haven't made the connection between specific policies that they approve of and the fact that the Democratic Party is more supportive of said policies.

Not necessarily their fault, either; most people don't have the  time or inclination to understand the technical nuances or implications of Obamacare or whatever legislation is passed. And the mass media and the GOP's cute focus group-tested slogans like "Right to Work"  certainly don't help matters.

Republicans certainly have better PR than Democrats-assuming that one excludes groups that will never vote Republican from consideration (eg: minorities).
1897  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Reps Lynch and Jones push to declassify 9/11 files on: August 28, 2014, 05:32:01 pm
Also...one possible reason-in addition to the obvious economic and military interests-why the US government has not wanted to antagonize the Saudis (even though they are an incredibly oppressive regime, and even though  much of the current and historical terrorist threat to American interests does come from sources within the KSA) is because doing so runs the risk of increasing the support of groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS from Muslims around the world.

The best gift the United States and its allies could give to Islamic terrorists would be to directly attack the KSA (If you thought that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had that very effect, just imagine the global response to an American attack on the kingdom where Mecca and Medina are located!)
1898  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul: US interventionists abetted rise of ISIS on: August 28, 2014, 03:44:48 pm
Yet another example of Rand Paul's willful cluelessness regarding foreign policy.

lolbertarians
1899  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What is a WASP? on: August 26, 2014, 06:58:16 pm
WASP is a term that confers class status, political identity and secularism or liberal Protestantism in the United States and it's increasingly unrelated to having "ASP" descent. For instance: in 2014, Vermont dairy farmers are far more likely to have purely Yankee roots than blue blood families in Connecticut or Boston, who are increasingly likely to have some Irish or Italian or Jewish ancestry. Yet, Vermont dairy farmers are rarely described as "WASPs" while CEOs, CFOs and corporate lawyers will oftentimes be described as WASPs even if they have a non-WASP last name.

William F. Buckley is the modern symbol of WASPs and he's an Irish Catholic. George Wallace is portrayed as the enemy of WASPs by the history books and he is an unspoiled WASP.

Good points.
1900  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What about Yemen? on: August 26, 2014, 06:56:29 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Yemen one of the poorest and most underdeveloped Middle Eastern countries? Perhaps that is part of why it is overlooked.
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