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1876  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / NSA program stopped no terror attacks, says White House panel member on: December 20, 2013, 01:26:12 pm
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A member of the White House review panel on NSA surveillance said he was “absolutely” surprised when he discovered the agency’s lack of evidence that the bulk collection of telephone call records had thwarted any terrorist attacks.

“It was, ‘Huh, hello? What are we doing here?’” said Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor, in an interview with NBC News. “The results were very thin.”

While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”

“We found none,” said Stone.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/19/21975158-nsa-program-stopped-no-terror-attacks-says-white-house-panel-member?lite
1877  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I Cant Believe I'm Writing This, But: "In Defense of Phil Robertson" on: December 20, 2013, 01:22:35 pm
Duck Dynasty's real crime is that the show is actually really boring.

1878  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How has rural America changed over the past several decades? on: December 19, 2013, 08:04:55 pm
The most important would be the continued decline in the number of people working on the land. Then there's the deindustrialisation of most of the various rural-industrial districts (mines or textiles, makes no difference). Then there's the further encroach of urban life in rural areas closer - or, to be more accurate in many cases, more accessible to - the larger metropolitan regions (this is more immediately obvious in the U.S.A. than other industrialised countries because of criminally lax planning regulations). Then there's the tendency for services to centralise around larger and larger towns (and so to decline precipitously in smaller ones). And, of course, the tendency for an increasing share of agricultural labour to be performed by migrants of one type or another. That kind of thing. At that essentially abstract level it's the same in every industrialised country.

Good analysis, thanks.

A friend of mine from Michigan told me recently that so many formerly prosperous towns and districts throughout the state have been absolutely hollowed out by de-industrialization and population decline. At the same time, there has been an explosion in the growth of sprawling subdivisions all over-and not just in the metropolitan areas, but in areas further and further out in the countryside (or what was once the countryside, anyway).

What do you make of the phenomenon of rural districts turning into extensions of suburban/exurban sprawl? Tongue (And I'm not just referring to areas lying directly outside the cities, but even further out)....

One more side note: A lot of the community functions and services of smaller towns have disappeared entirely. For example, many Catholic churches in the rural Midwest have closed down. That's just one example; there are plenty more.

1879  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / How has rural America changed over the past several decades? on: December 19, 2013, 05:06:28 pm
Is there even such a thing as "rural America"?

For example, the rural South is quite different from rural New England/Northeast, and both overlap with their respective edges of rural Appalachia. Meanwhile, the rural Midwest is different from the Great Plains. And just look at the West; California has several different types of rural areas-each with its own distinctive culture, geography, and history.

I am curious, though, about how particular rural areas have changed in America. I know we have a number of rural posters here (though a definite minority Tongue ), so I am especially interested in their thoughts in this thread.
1880  General Politics / Individual Politics / Republicans and cowboy hats on: December 19, 2013, 01:24:36 pm

















Coincidence? Huh
1881  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I Cant Believe I'm Writing This, But: "In Defense of Phil Robertson" on: December 19, 2013, 12:55:26 pm
As a side note: Where were the right-wingers, who apparently now value "free speech", when the Dixie Chicks' musical careers were derailed in 2003?

Rhetorical Question...
1882  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I Cant Believe I'm Writing This, But: "In Defense of Phil Robertson" on: December 19, 2013, 12:50:05 pm
And now Bobby Jindal weighs in:

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Governor Jindal said, “Phil Robertson and his family are great citizens of the State of Louisiana. The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with. I don’t agree with quite a bit of stuff I read in magazine interviews or see on TV.  In fact, come to think of it, I find a good bit of it offensive. But I also acknowledge that this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views.  In fact, I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended "
 

http://gov.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&articleID=4374

Bolding mine. Tongue



 
1883  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Republicans - what is your plan for staying competitive in the following states on: December 18, 2013, 08:43:27 pm
Hoping as few people vote as possible.
1884  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Alex Jones on: December 18, 2013, 07:51:40 pm
Great guy. FF.
1885  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio GOP to Pass New "NC-like" Voting Restrictions on: December 18, 2013, 07:48:16 pm
You guys laugh at krazen, but it's people like him who are the heart and soul of the movement to restrict voting (and destroy teacher's unions, and...)
1886  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Tom Latham retires! on: December 18, 2013, 05:33:10 pm
Yay!
1887  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Jim Matheson retiring on: December 18, 2013, 05:32:20 pm
Well at least the D caucus will have one less conservative...
1888  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Tender Branson on: December 18, 2013, 05:31:05 pm
He's cool.
1889  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MT-Sen: Schweitzer not running on: December 18, 2013, 05:29:01 pm
Max Baucus? Really? Why, Obama, why....

Presumably because of his role in getting HCR passed in the Senate.
1890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who is the most overrated President since 1900? on: December 18, 2013, 05:26:36 pm
H. W. Bush is also a good candidate. It's painful to see everybody cite him as the Last Great moderate, pragmatic Republican, while he was by and large a conservative hack and bears a good deal of responsibility in the right-wing turn of American politics.

Good call.
1891  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Jack Kingston: child janitors FTW on: December 18, 2013, 05:19:47 pm
I thought he was pretty conservative but not of the dumb kind.

This is the problem with Tea Party lunacy-it pulls more reasonable people (in both parties) further to the Right.
1892  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Lief on: December 18, 2013, 05:18:20 pm
Kind of a dick.

Sad
1893  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Conservatives whine about Boehner and McConnell, part 674564 on: December 18, 2013, 05:11:23 pm
Of course, if the left had any money and any semblance of organisation, they would probably doing exactly the same thing to the Democrats.

But they don't, so the point is moot.
1894  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Conservatives whine about Boehner and McConnell, part 674564 on: December 18, 2013, 02:06:35 pm
I fully support primarying McConnell.

While I sympathize with that sentiment, I don't want to risk another actual Teatard getting into the Senate. The House is bad enough as is.
1895  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sage Garden on: December 18, 2013, 02:03:44 pm
Nothing good will come out of the 2016 election; then again, pretty much every president has been a ruling class war criminal. The thug in office now will be replaced by something no better.

Came here to post that. He's outdone himself yet again.
1896  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: PPP: Christie leads the field (incl. Huckabee), Clinton leads Dems on: December 18, 2013, 02:03:12 pm
Nothing good will come out of the 2016 election; then again, pretty much every president has been a ruling class war criminal. The thug in office now will be replaced by something no better.

wow so sage

#2edgy4me2handle
1897  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: PPP: Christie leads the field (incl. Huckabee), Clinton leads Dems on: December 18, 2013, 02:02:30 pm
RIP Social Security, Medicare, progressive taxation and legal abortion. Sad

Oh, please. Christie is A Very Serious Candidate with Common Sense Solutions to our Economic Challenges Going Forward. Clearly the only Sensible Thing to do for Socially Moderate Fiscal Conservatives is to vote for Chris Christie in 2016.
1898  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Conservatives whine about Boehner and McConnell, part 674564 on: December 18, 2013, 01:55:27 pm
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In an e-mail to supporters, the organization portrays Boehner and McConnell as public enemy No. 1. The Senate Conservatives Fund urges supporters to back their five 2014 candidates, such as Matt Bevin who is challenging McConnell in a GOP primary.

"These Republican leaders are attacking conservatives because they don't like it when the grassroots hold them accountable," reads the e-mail from Matt Hoskins, the group's executive director. "These Republicans have been in Washington too long and they're no longer willing to fight for our principles. They're hostile to the people who elected them."

The subject line on the e-mail, which doubles as a fundraising pitch: "Punched in the Nose." The line is taken from McConnell's recent comments to the Washington Examiner, in which he referred to the group as "schoolyard bullies" and said he'd like to give them a punch in the nose.



More: http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/12/16/boehner-senate-conservatives-fund-budget-deal/4042705/


1899  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If only Atlas existed... on: December 18, 2013, 01:40:26 pm



Perfect.
1900  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: is most American conflict inherently intra-racial on: December 17, 2013, 06:01:35 pm
Just because people vote for the same party doesn't mean that they have the same interests. Conversely, just because people vote for different parties doesn't mean their interests are that different.

Consider American two-party winner-take all politics in that regard...
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