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1876  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sage Garden on: March 02, 2014, 01:47:31 pm
The US and American posters ought to stop speaking from a moral high ground given our aggressive post-Cold War wars against Panama, Iraq, Sudan, etc.
1877  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NJ welfare system questions on: March 02, 2014, 01:29:06 pm
I don't think this is the best place to look for advice.

ConservativePoliticalForum.com would be a much better place to ask this question. I'm sure they'll have ample advice for you.

Or better yet: Join a non-denominational, Bible-believing church. Because reasons. 
1878  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: More conservative interference in private business on: March 02, 2014, 01:26:59 pm
I think it's pretty clear that the American Right doesn't actually care about being internally consistent.

Speaking of which: Benghazi!!
1879  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is this an appropriate song for the times? on: March 01, 2014, 06:41:14 pm

so edgy
1880  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: imagen if atlas foram modarn in the past on: March 01, 2014, 06:10:59 pm

btrd bring copy of martin luthar 95 theses to america, tels indans the ned for jesus befoar pilgirims land at plymth rock
1881  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: February 2014 Federal Special Election - At-Large Senate on: March 01, 2014, 05:59:47 pm
1. Adam Griffin
1882  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of this quote on: March 01, 2014, 02:51:01 pm
1883  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Presidents who foresaw future Presidents? on: March 01, 2014, 12:28:57 am
I'd like to know which presidents met a sitting president when they were young and not involved in politics yet.

Clinton met JFK as a young man.

George W. Bush obviously did due to his father's political positions and George H. W. Bush likely did for the same reason.

Did Obama? Did Reagan?

Richard Nixon's father always would brag about how President William McKinley once complimented him on his horse, or something.

After that,  Mr. Nixon was a lifelong Republican.
1884  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Heroic Republican Senators Block Veterans Benefits Bill on: March 01, 2014, 12:23:18 am
Senate Republicans derailed efforts to move forward with a $21 billion bill to enhance health care, education and job benefits for veterans.

Republicans stopped the veterans bill from moving on a procedural vote, which needed 60 votes. The final tally was 56-41.

Republicans and Democrats normally agree on the need to enhance benefits for the nation’s 22 million veterans and their families, but Republican senators wanted to lower the amount of spending in the bill.  The GOP senators also wanted to include a measure that would have imposed new sanctions against Iran, which President Obama has warned against doing at this time.  Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid blocked the amendments from being considered.

“Shame on the Republicans for bringing base politics into a bill to help the veterans,” Reid said on the Senate floor Thursday morning.


Support our troops!
1885  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama about to make live statement from White House on Ukraine on: February 28, 2014, 05:01:58 pm
1886  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Lawmaker apologizes for decades worth of vile remarks re: women and gays on: February 28, 2014, 03:28:37 pm
Guess which party.

From Tipping’s report, [Lawrence] Lockman on HIV:

In the mid-to-late eighties, Lockman changed his focus away from avoiding taxes and towards spreading lies about the AIDS epidemic. In 1987, he is quoted in the Bangor Daily News as implying that HIV and AIDS could be spread by bed sheets and mosquitoes. [...]

“In the overwhelming majority of cases, people are dying because of their addiction to sodomy,” Lockman wrote in a 1987 letter to the editor to the Lewiston Daily Sunarguing against funding for AIDS education. “They are dying because progressive, enlightened, tolerant people in politics and in medicine have assured the public that the practice of sodomy is a legitimate alternative lifestyle, rather than a perverted, depraved crime against humanity.”

On abortion:

In the early 1990s, Lockman was active on the issue of abortion. He became a director of the Pro Life Education Association and in 1990 was quoted as saying “If a woman has (the right to abortion), why shouldn’t a man be free to use his superior strength to force himself on a woman? At least the rapist’s pursuit of sexual freedom doesn’t (in most cases) result in anyone’s death.”

On LGBTQ rights:

“Clearly the practice of sodomy is learned behavior, and those addicted to this form of biologically-insane sex are at high risk for all manner of serious medical problems,” wrote Lockman in a letter to the Bangor Daily News about the program. [...]


This man is an elected official.
1887  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When 'religious liberty' was used to justify racism instead of homophobia on: February 28, 2014, 03:21:11 pm
While I don't necessarily favor the idiotic laws being put forward in these states, I tend to think that opposition to homosexuality probably has more grounding in alleged religiosity than racism.

That's because these days you're more likely to see people using religion to justify homosexuality than racism

You mean homophobia? Tongue
1888  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Factors for the Democratic collapse among white Southerners on: February 28, 2014, 02:08:51 pm
So I have compiled a non-exhaustive list of factors for the collapse of support for the Democratic Party among white Southerners. Tongue

Note that this is a relatively recent historical phenomenon, that it is has been rather gradual and uneven across the South,  and that many of the following factors do overlap with each other.

Here's my list of possible or probable factors:

-Old white Democrats dying off. Tongue

-White Democrats defecting to the Republican Party in large numbers.

-The (in some ways) changing nature of race relations in the South since the mid-20th century (particularly after WWII) and the Civil Rights Movement.

-Whites who came of age in the 1950s/1960s and onward being an especially strong Republican bloc in the South.

-The shrinking in population of the rural areas and the growth of wealthier (relative to the rural areas, at least) suburbs and exurbs.

-The influence of the Religious Right in politics at every level of government.

-Many of the remaining white Democrats being a downscale, low turnout demographic (particularly in rural areas).

-The relatively recent growth of industry, business, and professional services in the South, which would provide some more Republican seed money for campaigns, organizing, etc.

-The collapse of the New Deal political tradition in the South (and elsewhere, to one extent or another) more broadly.


Thoughts, comments, additional insights, etc. are welcome! Smiley
1889  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / When 'religious liberty' was used to justify racism instead of homophobia on: February 28, 2014, 01:45:11 pm
The premise of the bill is that discrimination becomes acceptable so long as it is packaged inside a religious wrapper. As Arizona state Rep. Eddie Farnsworth (R) explained, lawmakers introduced it in response to instances where anti-gay business owners in other states were “punished for their religious beliefs” after they denied service to gay customers in violation of a state anti-discrimination law.

Yet, while LGBT Americans are the current target of this effort to repackage prejudice as “religious liberty,” they are hardly the first. To the contrary, as Wake Forest law Professor Michael Kent Curtis explained in a 2012 law review article, many segregationists justified racial bigotry on the very same grounds that religious conservatives now hope to justify anti-gay animus. In the words of one professor at a prominent Mississippi Baptist institution, “our Southern segregation way is the Christian way . . . . [God] was the original segregationist.”


1890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Franklin D. Roosevelt on: February 27, 2014, 09:14:37 pm
While I think some of his fanbase among the Democratic Party can get carried away, he certainly did far more positive things for "the masses" than most Presidents, and on a scale that was unprecedented in American history. Plus, he was a master at projecting confidence and political charisma, which helped him to create a deeply personal connection with so many Americans-a trait that perhaps been lost. He was certainly a major reason for why  far more of the American public identified (and continued to identify for a long time) as Democrats than Republicans, even during the post-war economic boom years and at the height of the Cold War.
1891  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Karl Marx on: February 27, 2014, 09:05:45 pm
Also, this may be a good time for a reminder that the State of Nature is an ideological construct, not an actual anthropological description of history. So when one says or implies things like "the human spirit is one of individual freedom," an acute ideological bias is present already.

(Not that bias or ideology is something that we can necessarily escape regarding politics, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that we are being objective, detached observers here).
1892  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Karl Marx on: February 27, 2014, 08:41:39 pm
It could be argued he is the most evil person ever born. I personally agree with that argument.
Did not his philosophy destroy the human spirit? Did it not force individuals into a collective? Did it not put forward the nauseous theories of "state ownership" and the "Labor Theory of Capital?" How many were murdered on the alter of reaching his utopian system? Marx murdered the human spirit and his system degrades the rights of man. He is the ultimate of all evil.

Yeah, things were just so fine and dandy, with the benevolent business owners and their employees living peacefully together in harmony before that evil trickster Karl Marx came along.
1893  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anyone notice younger posters are often annoying for trying to fill a role? on: February 27, 2014, 08:37:51 pm
Adopting traits and behaviors just to signal your membership in a social or cultural group?  Yeah, BRTD, you certainly never would do something like that.
1894  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Karl Marx on: February 27, 2014, 08:32:50 pm
he opposed civil unions and was probably anti-gun, so HP
1895  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When did the GOP jump the shark? on: February 27, 2014, 03:01:03 pm
1896  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Politics aside- would you rather live in a blue state or a red state? on: February 27, 2014, 02:59:56 pm
Red state because they tend to have low costs of living and my fiance wants 5+ kids.


That ole-time religion for ya. Wink

Anywho, I agree with Franzl. There really isn't anything else that collectively defines "red" states  as opposed to  "blue" states other than their respective voting patterns-which is a tautology, of course.
1897  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is the GOP's recent anti-gay bill trend an act of rage? on: February 27, 2014, 02:56:42 pm
The first two stages of grief, according to Elizabeth Kübler-Ross:

Denial — As the reality of loss is hard to face, one of the first reactions to follow the loss is Denial. What this means is that the person is trying to shut out the reality or magnitude of their situation, and begin to develop a false, preferable reality.
Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"
Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Anger can manifest itself in different ways. People can be angry with themselves, or with others, and especially those who are close to them. It is important to remain detached and nonjudgmental when dealing with a person experiencing anger from grief.


Then come Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance.

It's clear where the GOP is on gay rights.

"We will never do this again!" is in Stage 3.

If that's right, then can we expect the GOP to bargain for civil unions next?

More likely they'll bargain for the right of legislatures on the state level to allow individuals (most prominently, business owners) to choose to discriminate  (if they want to, of course) based on a very...curious notion of "individual freedom."  Or they'll use the defense of majority rule in the red states (which would be hypocritical for them, but there you go).

Maybe they'll agree to refrain from opposing gay marriage rights, with the understanding that de facto discrimination against less affluent members of the LGBT community (and other groups, frankly) will continue to occur throughout the country.  

To put this all in perspective...look at how much ground the Right has gained on the abortion issue, specifically at the state level.
1898  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: House GOP Now Have a Tax Code Reform Plan on: February 27, 2014, 02:47:36 pm
In addition, the plan would impose a 10 percent surtax on certain types of earned income over roughly $450,000 a year. The surtax would hit many salaried professionals, such as attorneys and accountants, while dodging farmers and manufacturers — as well as the super-rich, whose income often is derived primarily from interest and investments.

So basically, they want to punish the sort of near-rich professional classes who have been part of the Democratic Party's "gentry coalition" in the Obama Era, while exempting their own base of farmers, extractors of natural resources, and the One Percent.
1 percent: George Soros, Lloyd Blankfein, and Jamie Dimon are part of the 1% and are Democrats.

Ok, but that doesn't mean that most super-rich Americans aren't Republicans.
1899  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of these images (warning: graphic) on: February 27, 2014, 12:11:08 am

1900  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Legendary flamenco guitarist Paco de Lucia dead at 66 on: February 26, 2014, 09:15:24 pm
Paco de Lucia, one of the world's greatest guitarists who dazzled audiences with his lightning-speed flamenco rhythms and finger work, has died in Mexico, officials said Wednesday. He was 66.

The Spaniard had a heart attack while on vacation at the Caribbean beach resort of Playa del Carmen and died in a hospital, Quintana Roo state attorney general Gaspar Armando Garcia told Mexico's Enfoque Radio. Spain's consul in Quintana Roo, Javier Maranon, said the heart attack happened in his house in Xpu-Hak, near Tulum, where he spent a good part of the year, living the rest in Spain.

"Paco lived as he wished and died playing with his children beside the sea," said a statement from de Lucia's family published on the websites of Spanish newspapers.

Describing the death as unexpected and premature, Spanish Education and Culture Minister Jose Ignacio Wert said de Lucia was "a unique and unrepeatable figure."


Sad. Sad
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