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1876  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Threads that just scream NO on: August 11, 2014, 07:43:05 pm
Anything about Ed Fitzgerald.
1877  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: RIP Robin Williams on: August 11, 2014, 06:32:45 pm
Horrible news. Sounds like it was a suicide. Sad

1878  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: When will this hideous polarization end? on: August 11, 2014, 02:04:18 pm
What hideous polarization?
1879  General Discussion / History / Re: Why did Philadelphia have WASP mayors until the 1960s? on: August 11, 2014, 02:01:25 pm
IIRC, the Italian population in Philadelphia were a big part of the Republican machine in the city. Maybe that had something to do with it?
1880  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What is a WASP? on: August 08, 2014, 10:23:44 pm
Speaking of the Scots-Irish, they were also big in Pennsylvania.  And they actually continued to immigrate there after 1800:  Mellon was born in Ulster and in the 1930 census showed the PA had the largest population born in Northern Ireland.

Indeed, PA was one of the top destinations for them.
1881  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What is a WASP? on: August 08, 2014, 10:20:47 pm
Does it means whites of English ancestry or does it mean elite whites of English ancestry that belong to mainline churches but not fundamentalists?

If we use the former definition, Kentucky, say, would be a lot more "WASP" than Connecticut, but if we use the latter Connecticut would be more "WASP."

It's also interesting how census responses have a regional and class basis to them.  In New England and among the affluent, people are more inclined to declare English ancestry while in the South, they're more likely to say "American."

Scotch-Irish identity seems to be a Southern working class and rural phenomenon.  Though I should add the so-called "Celtic thesis" is garbage.


Whites with roots in New England are more likely to be of English ancestry than whites with roots in the South and Appalachia, whose ancestors more likely came from the southern part of Scotland or from what is now Northern Ireland.

Actually there's also-in addition to the Scottish and Irish Protestant ancestries-a lot of English, Welsh, French Huguenot, and German Palatine in the "Scots-Irish" mix of cultural groups. And that's not even taking into account all of the French, German, Dutch, Czech,  etc. that have all contributed to the South's ancestral makeup. And what of the Native American and black ancestry that many Southern whites likely have? Tongue

The issue here, like the OP said, is that Southern whites were (and still are, to some extent) poorer and less educated than Northern whites, generally speaking. Thus, many truly don't know where their ancestors came from; a lot of those ancestors are lost to history. Also, the South didn't receive much immigration from Europe after 1800.

All of these are among the factors (besides excessive nationalistic pride Tongue ) for the common Southern/Appalachian, etc. phenomenon of whites putting "American" on the Census.
1882  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: what congressional district do you think has the most... on: August 08, 2014, 10:13:45 pm
^WV-3? idk

White Obama voters who lack a college degree
1883  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: Presence of mad | Presents of mad on: August 08, 2014, 10:03:43 pm
Excellent commentary. I agree.
1884  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: TNR: Democrats Have a White Working Class Problem and Not Just in the South on: August 08, 2014, 08:02:49 pm
There are lots of Southern and Appalachian transplants (as well as their descendants)  in other parts of the country, FTR. Look at the Central Valley in California for a good example.
1885  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul: the GOP can't "flip" and support gay marriage on: August 08, 2014, 07:55:57 pm
It should be noted that the Republican Southern Strategy was (at least, in its early years) more about reaching out to a growing population of suburban middle-class whites (who would be inclined to vote Republican anyway outside the South as well, especially back then) than it was about reaching out to the staunch Dixiecratic strongholds in the rural poor areas.
1886  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Citing Israel, GOP eyes Jewish vote on: August 08, 2014, 06:38:56 pm
Except that it's generally seculars with seriously left-wing views/voting patterns...

How are we defining "secular" in the context of Judaism (as in, isn't there a big spectrum there? Tongue )
1887  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul: the GOP can't "flip" and support gay marriage on: August 08, 2014, 06:18:30 pm
Goldwater hated the Southern Christian racists that infiltrated the GOP post Civil Rights Act and fought against them until his dying day.

What about all the Birchers and other far-right kooks who supported Goldwater in places like Arizona, California, etc.?

The Republican Party has always been staunchly conservative, heavily white Protestant, pro-business, anti-union, and prone to having a nativist streak. The South has a disproportionate share of those demographics and ideological currents nowadays, so consequently, the center of gravity of conservative Republicanism has shifted toward the South in recent decades.

And for those who think New England was an exception,  I have two words: Calvin Coolidge.
1888  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 40th anniversary of Nixon resignation. on: August 08, 2014, 01:35:58 pm
RIP Tricky Dick. America's last liberal President. Sad
1889  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Church cancels gay man's funeral on: August 08, 2014, 01:34:26 pm
muh religious liberty.
1890  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo: "Suddenly, Obamacare Is More Unpopular Than Ever" on: August 08, 2014, 10:33:29 am
So, the new disingenuous Republican talking point is that they're opposed to health insurance because they're not smart enough to understand it?

Not necessarily disingenuous.
1891  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Orly Taitz on: August 08, 2014, 10:29:27 am
lol
1892  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Citing Israel, GOP eyes Jewish vote on: August 07, 2014, 09:38:09 pm
I definitely can see Jews voting against the GOP because of "anti-intellectualism", but it seems like there are plenty of whites who place a very high priority on education who vote quite Republican.

Places like Huntsville, Alabama, Shelby County, St. Tammany Parish in LA, Williamson County, TN, Colin County, TX, Douglas County, CO, Hamilton County Indiana, etc. tend to have a lot of very Republican, well-educated whites.  Perhaps "intellectual" isn't the right word for them, but they certainly care about their kids getting a good education.

Perhaps those types of voters are hybrid "intellectual/anti-intellectual" voters?  The type that would speak poor grammar and wear cowboy hates yet at the same time write normally and place a high priority on college?

These are just some thoughts, but whenever I hear "anti-intellectual", I get a little skeptical as that being a big reason.

It's not really the contemporary GOP being "anti-intellectual" as it is their thinly veiled contempt/hostility toward People Who Aren't Like Them.

Those upper-middle class white Republican-voting suburban enclaves that you mentioned place a high value on their children's educations, but good luck getting them to support more public resources and funding toward the educations and communities of poor children and their families.
1893  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do realignments exist? on: August 07, 2014, 11:52:13 am
^not sure about Maine, but Vermont has definitely undergone a lot of demographic change within the last 100 years (or even the last 50).
1894  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Study: 'Sovereign citizens' now more threatening to US than Islamic extremists on: August 07, 2014, 11:48:19 am
The U.S. government is absolutely terrified to do anything about the Cliven Bundy lawbreaker types, because the Cliven Bundy lawbreaker types are armed to the teeth and eager to shoot.

Don't forget the "Cliven Bundy lawmaker types" (seriously what I initially read your post as...)
1895  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Happy 53rd Birthday President Obama! on: August 07, 2014, 11:44:48 am
When do I get to vote for him a third time?

2016, when Hillary withdraws from the race after House Republicans uncover scandalous Benghazi evidence and Obama declares himself to be the next FDR as a result.
1896  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Happy 53rd Birthday President Obama! on: August 07, 2014, 11:41:33 am
^
IIRC Dub's numbers are on the ^ and Obama's not, no?

America has a lot of dumbs Sad
1897  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What's next for Eric Cantor? on: August 07, 2014, 11:40:48 am
Who cares?
1898  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Happy 53rd Birthday President Obama! on: August 07, 2014, 11:34:45 am
Only dumbs and comedians miss Governor Bush.
1899  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Are suburban Republicans really more moderate? on: August 06, 2014, 10:36:35 am
It depends.
1900  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Mo Brooks argues there's a War on Whites on: August 06, 2014, 10:16:20 am
You guys act like a majority of Republican voters don't agree with this statement.

but what about the moderate Republicans
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