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1876  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What was your favorite #1 hit in 2013? on: December 27, 2013, 09:03:09 pm
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...except saying that he doesn't need a girl's consent in order to have sex with her. Could you imagine what that might do to a rape victim who just hears the song on the radio? "I know you want it, you're a good girl" is definitely not just a bubbly little lyric in a song, it's something that a rapist says

Oh, really? How do you know this? Have you asked them?

Only on Tumblr, so there's that....
1877  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are you a prescriptivist or a descriptivist? on: December 27, 2013, 08:48:25 pm
what is this thread












using big words is so sage
1878  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: EXCLUSIVE: Reaganfan Q&A (I will respond to any question asked) on: December 27, 2013, 08:38:02 pm
Q: Who was more of a REAL American, Ronald Reagan or John Wayne?
1879  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Time to face facts, the GOP is NOT a national party on: December 27, 2013, 08:33:54 pm
You have a very special definition of national.

But Gully, many on the Atlas don't know anyone who votes Republican these days, so obviously they can't be a national party.
1880  General Discussion / History / Re: Who was the most politically adept President? on: December 27, 2013, 08:32:06 pm
LBJ or either Roosevelt.
1881  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: William F. Buckley (R) vs Noam Chomsky (D) on: December 27, 2013, 08:30:12 pm
Chomsky would never get anywhere near the Democratic Party nomination (and likely wouldn't want to even if he could), so....
1882  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Time to face facts, the GOP is NOT a national party on: December 27, 2013, 08:25:25 pm
The GOP routinely wins 4-5 million votes in California.

Granted, none of those votes matter...Tongue
1883  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Republicans - what is your plan for staying competitive in the following states on: December 27, 2013, 08:20:28 pm
The GOP in its current form  faces a national crisis when a younger, better educated (yet less financially secure), and less white group of voters really starts voting en masse.
1884  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Whitest Obama Counties on: December 27, 2013, 08:16:43 pm
I've always wondered what makes some rural Midwestern whites very amenable to Dems, while others are almost as conservative as they are in Mississippi and Alabama.
A lot of immigrant settlement patterns, mostly. D-voting areas in the midwest were usually 'settled' by Scandinavians, while most of the rest was 'settled' by Germans.

It's more complicated than that though.
1885  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Whitest Obama Counties on: December 27, 2013, 08:15:50 pm
I've always wondered what makes some rural Midwestern whites very amenable to Dems, while others are almost as conservative as they are in Mississippi and Alabama.

Local political traditions, Protestants (but what kind?) vs Catholics, industrial vs agricultural, immigration/settlement patterns, economic history...
1886  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of Alphonso Taft on: December 27, 2013, 08:13:58 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonso_Taft
1887  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bush/Walker Cabinet on: December 27, 2013, 08:12:34 pm
If, God forbid, this ticket wins...well, to quote a wise man on this forum, paraphrased:

"Their Cabinet will consist of a bunch of sociopaths in bad suits."
1888  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / "It's not a religion, but a relationship with Jesus!" on: December 27, 2013, 07:50:12 pm
Is this phrase indicative of an  intersection between evangelical Protestant theology and New Agey "spirituality", or something else?

Maybe BRTD can help me out here.
1889  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: A Problem with Liberal Protestantism on: December 27, 2013, 07:46:44 pm
The problem with "liberal Protestantism" (whatever that means) is that liberal churches try to emphasize both "personal salvation" and "social justice", yet in practice often end up with the kind of Moderate Hero, inoffensive,  (largely) educated white upper-middle class form of borderline relativistic  theology that doesn't have much practicality to or relevance in anyone's actual life.

Why go to the trouble of going to church, when you can just say you're "personally spiritual, but not religious" (hell, even many evangelical conservatives will say this-"It's a relationship, not a religion!")

1890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this movie quote on: December 24, 2013, 12:51:39 am
A quote that many people, especially males, should take notice. People will like you if you're nice, and that's that.

Right. And if they're women, they will promptly put nice guys like you in the 'friend zone'.  Tongue  


...No?
1891  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of this movie quote on: December 24, 2013, 12:42:48 am
1892  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hey Tea Partiers, David Duke Likes You! on: December 23, 2013, 07:52:19 pm
Hey David Dukkke, THE TEA PARTY WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RACISM. WE DON'T LIKE YOU.

doth protest too much, and all that.
1893  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Uganda passes tough anti-gay laws. on: December 23, 2013, 07:47:22 pm
The point that everyone here is trying to make is that calling Ugandans "savages" has rather unfortunate historical racial connotations, and that that attitude is the kind which encourages that kind of legislation in Africa.

And actually, a lot of homophobia in Africa is due to attitudes either introduced by European colonizers like Britain during the Victorian era- which was of course, outlandishly homophobic, or by American Missionaries.
Yeah cuz tiptoeing around their sensitive feelings, treating them like the victims of homosexual hedonism, and begging them not to kill me for being born wrong....
is totally how we should go about this.

Nope.  Savages.  Every last one who supports this law, whether they're black, green, or just have a blackened shriveled soul that they try to treat with hateful Bible verses.
SAVAGES
You think I give Russia a pass for their savagery?  As far as I'm concerned both countries need to be reeducated.
Snowguy, I see where you're coming from. I'm gay too, and I'd actually like to visit Uganda without having fear for my life. But using the word savages is not optimal in this situation. You can cuss at 'em all ya want- but "savages" can be read as racist.
They wanna imprison and/or kill me for something I didn't choose.  So f**k them.  SAVAGE SAVAGE SAVAGE.  I'd probably tell them they shouldn't worry so much about the gays and perhaps worry about making their country into a not sh**thole.

This idea that it was actually white peoples' fault because of the Christian organizations who pushed this (those people are awful savages too) or that, as white people, we should be sensitive to their delicate situation lest they be offended and start advocating the deaths of even more people...

Sorry, but no matter how many circles you twist yourself in to make your cognitive dissonance on this issue justifiable... I'm not going to blamed as a white guy for making these people hateful savages (again, the ones who support such laws... not Ugandans at large.)

Long story short:  This has nothing to do with race.  And savage is the perfect word because it (rightfully) hits close to home.  The way their savage law hits close to home for me.  Savages is wut they r.

What the ?

Um....I guess hateful  bigotry should be returned with..more hateful bigotry? Huh

And it's obvious that you know better than this, but you still posted it.
1894  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gun-owning 'Murican shoots his 14yo stepdaughter after mistaking her for burglar on: December 23, 2013, 07:33:55 pm
terrible tragedy, you would think you would yell out at them before you shoot or something. What did he just walk in there and start shooting. Also they might have a gun too, if you just walk out there you could get shot. It seems even good people with guns still results in bad things happening.


My friend just bought a handgun for home protection, the mean streets of Canton Michigan. We went to the shooting range Saturday. I rented a handgun at the range, a Glock 19. It was a good time. My friend is probably more the shoot first kind of guy though. He also wants to concealed carry.


Honestly, this isn't even a gun control issue. Stricter gun laws aren't going to stop things like this or like that black woman who got shot on that guy's porch. Gun-owning Americans have a serious attitude problem that is fostered by organizations like the NRA and by the conservative gun-owning culture in general.

They've turned guns from simply being tools into symbols of manliness and power and created this "Hero" mentality that makes guns a weapon of first resort and encourages getting involved in and escalating situations unnecessarily. The standard for what constitutes a "threat" has been defined down to a point where the mere presence of someone on your front porch is now a justifiable license to kill. And the fact that we have law enforcement that we pay taxes for and that is tasked with public order and safety is overlooked so that you have people who are not trained to deal with high-pressure situations doing so instead of deferring to the police.

I want to say something about how certain segments of working-class, rural, and white American male cultures here intersect, but I am not sure how to articulate it. Tongue
1895  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity and gay marriage on: December 23, 2013, 07:30:44 pm
I hope the good Christians who oppose homosexuality based on the Bible also support slavery.

Gotta be consistent.

to be fair most Christians who cite the Bible as a justification for opposition to homosexuality do so based on the Pauline letters and not based on the Law of Moses, which expired when Christ was crucified (and contains all sorts of things patently absurd to our contemporary sensibilities).  the NT is much more nuanced on the issue of slavery on the occasions when it comes up at all.

True, but...

let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

for certain.  but this cannot be read to mandate support of the state sanctioning of habitual sins.

to be clear, my own position on this is that the decided right-Christian interest in LGBT issues is at best a massive misallocation of resources.

Well it's to be expected when individualistic, peculiarly American, Protestant (or Protestant-influenced, at least) faith communities and right-wing politics get integrated into one.
1896  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity and gay marriage on: December 23, 2013, 07:22:10 pm
I hope the good Christians who oppose homosexuality based on the Bible also support slavery.

Gotta be consistent.

to be fair most Christians who cite the Bible as a justification for opposition to homosexuality do so based on the Pauline letters and not based on the Law of Moses, which expired when Christ was crucified (and contains all sorts of things patently absurd to our contemporary sensibilities).  the NT is much more nuanced on the issue of slavery on the occasions when it comes up at all.

True, but...

let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
1897  General Politics / International General Discussion / From the Guardian: "This isn't 'feminism'. It's Islamophobia." on: December 23, 2013, 07:18:02 pm
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As a person who writes about women's issues, I am constantly being told that Islam is the greatest threat to gender equality in this or any other country –mostly by white men, who always know best. This has been an extraordinary year for feminism, but from the Rochdale grooming case to interminable debates over whether traditional Islamic dress is "empowering" or otherwise, the rhetoric and language of feminism has been co-opted by Islamophobes, who could not care less about women of any creed or colour.

The recent blanket coverage of the "gender segregation on campus" story was a textbook case. This month Student Rights, a pressure group not run by students, released a report vastly exaggerating a suggestion by Universities UK that male and female students might be asked to sit separately in some lectures led by Islamic guest speakers. Many Asian women's groups and individual Muslim feminists joined the subsequent protests, sometimes taking personal risks to do so. Unfortunately, rightwing commentators and tabloids seized upon the issue to imply that Islamic extremists are taking over the British academy.

Never mind that it wasn't strictly true, the non-controversy spread to every level of government. Labour MP Chuka Umunna declared: "A future Labour government would not allow or tolerate segregation in our universities." Even the prime minister stepped into the debate, saying the proposed guidelines, which have since been withdrawn, were "not the right approach". The elite all-male Oxford club of which both he and the chancellor were members was presumably the perfect approach.

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I am not writing here on behalf of Muslim women, who can and do speak for themselves, and not all in one voice. I am writing this as a white feminist infuriated by white men using dog-whistle Islamophobia to derail any discussion of structural sexism; as someone who has heard too many reactionaries tell me to shut up about rape culture and the pay gap and just be grateful I'm not in Saudi Arabia; as someone angered that so many Muslim feminists fighting for gender justice are forced to watch their truth, to paraphrase that fusty old racist Rudyard Kipling, "twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools".

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/22/this-isnt-feminism-its-islamophobia
1898  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity and gay marriage on: December 23, 2013, 07:15:05 pm
I hope the good Christians who oppose homosexuality based on the Bible also support slavery.

Gotta be consistent.
1899  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Dialect quiz on: December 23, 2013, 03:49:58 am
Arizona/Nevada area, so close. Tongue
1900  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: O-Day 82, the Presence on: December 21, 2013, 03:13:14 pm

 ACA2 survivors are thrown a bone, to beg for mercy from the progressive imposition of Obama caring. This new class of American seeking the Obama hardship waivers can now rest assured that their future, for maybe a year, is well in the hand of its emperor.  With lying being the art form of prestige for the leftist liberal progressing as a democrat, the test of his or her accomplishment are; how well one can get away with it, avoiding the $100 min. technical violations. The standards of lying, having been established by the Clintons, Obama and his Czars, training via their current events, will be of no doubt the most efficient educational exercise of academia excellence for this closing year of 2013.  
 
 A couple of notes afoot; Bret Baier, on his Fox News Broadcast, looked up at his fellow pundits with a puzzling look of dis may, WTF, of the numbers Obama spoke too in his farewell to his vacation press conference, stating that 'these numbers don't add up'.  And, if you do not see the Ill humor of Mr. Baier, try the visual and conversation of the Robertson’s being the lead contingent for America at the Russian Olympics. I not sure which network would pick this up for a mini reality series, what I do know though, the ad rate and commissions will be better than glaad going to Russia reality series.



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