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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How is the state of the United States Economy? on: Today at 07:07:29 am
oh no we all fell for the masterful trap

what egg there is on our collective faces
of course. You see economist generally don't measure inflation by inflation figures , at least as far as we understand it .

 thank goodness that, as usual, we have agret demand to tell us this
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Palin family (including Sarah) involved in drunken brawl. on: September 15, 2014, 09:55:37 pm
Anyone who voted for this woman to be vice president of the United States needs to abstain from any election that takes place for the rest of their life.

And the same for those of us who voted for John Edwards for the same office, am I right?

Keeping a mistress is par for the course for men in positions of authority and has been since the beginning of time. Even having an illegitimate child is, as Strom Thurmond would attest.

But public drunken shouting matches and brawls at lower-class sporting events? Yes, that most certainly is beneath the dignity of the office of vice president.

John Edwards did a little more than just keeping a mistress.

Tell that to the jury that found him not guilty.
So how is Palin any less qualified than him? She hasn't even done anything worth pressing charges over.

Everything about her screams lower-class mediocrity. The spotty college record, the pregnant teenage kids, the highlighted hair, and now this incident. People like that have no business representing this country at its highest levels.

Indy, Palin is a sub-mediocrty, but you could've put that in a far less classist fashion.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Mark Warner's Margin of Victory on: September 15, 2014, 09:45:16 pm
Make all the excuses you want, Frodo, but Virginia is rapidly turning into a solidly blue state. Maybe you should go back to playing with that ring of yours rather than commenting on things that are out of your league.

Shaddup.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 15, 2014, 05:16:42 pm
@EPG: I see your point, but what I'm saying is that such a utterly drastic proposed change should revert to the status quo of union unless there is a concerted society-wide, if not consensus, at least overwhelming mandate. A 51% yes vote and a 51% no vote both should result in continued union as neither is indicative of the overwhelming mandate that should accompany as momentus a decision as independence. I'm not necessarily saying 65% shouldn't be enough (though I'm not sure 2/3 is insufficient), but at least 60% should be.

Simply put, independence seems premature to put it mildly for any country where opposition is in the high 40 percents.

edit by el caudillo: take the schoolyard brawl elsewhere
5  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Were there any big cities in the South pre-1860? on: September 15, 2014, 11:41:44 am
There's a number of northern cities that far outstrip Charleston at the time: Boston, Chicago, Cinci, Buffalo, etc. And that even counts NYC as one city rather than Brooklyn, etc.

The answer appears to be that New Awlins was the only true "major" southern city in 1860.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: OH-Dispatch: Kasich 2-1 on: September 15, 2014, 11:09:49 am
Will this rout be compartmentalized or do you think Ohio will be a light red state going into 2016?

No more than Davis winning would make KS a D state, or Rauner/Foley winning would make IL/CT R states.

Are there any situations where midterm elections may set the course for the presidential?

I can see the prestige of the Democratic Party being damaged in a swing state in this situation. The voters may have been able to say "Fitzgerald is an idiot with a detachable penis" or it could give Republicans momentum. I give it a 50/50 chance that this affects 2016.


This race probably just does damage to the already weak Ohio Democratic Party, not the National Parties chances in Ohio.

I can imagine where state parties eventually drag down national ones campaigning in those states.

Compare the 2010 Portman/Fisher senate race to the 2012 OH presidential race results and I think you'll find your answer. Likewise the OH GOP being near utterly routed (outside the Auditor's race) in 2006 didn't prevent McCain from being at least competitive in the state two years later.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 15, 2014, 11:04:14 am
Who cares? Let him do what he wants. Insisting thst people be attracted to people of other races or be deemed racist is absurd. He's not saying it should be banned. Christ, whatever happened to "live and let live"?

Next thing you know you'll be calling us transphobic because we don't want to date men who have had gender reassignment surgery.

I obviously understand he's not calling for legislation against inter-racial marrying/dating, but the fact it's a personal choice doesn't make it any less a racist choice.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ben Carson Defends (Girlfriend Beating) Ray Rice on: September 14, 2014, 03:59:57 pm
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Yes, they “both need some help.” But only one of them was dragged unconscious out of an elevator after being brought down by a single punch.

This.

Amen! If i had a dollar for every time in the last 20 years I've had a DV victim sit in my office excusing her batterer's actions and as part of it telling me "We could use relationship counseling." I've occasionally asked them: "Why do YOU need to take part in counseling because HE punched you?"

Posters trying to minimize Carson's comments need to read the above quote over and over and over and over until it finally sinks in.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Can Jason Carter win the Georgia governorship in November 2014? on: September 14, 2014, 02:59:28 pm
Georgia is still conservative racist territory.  

Jason Carter is black?

No, but the policies of his administration would help blacks. White racists don't like that.

Can you please go away?

No, and I would encourage you not be an apologist for white privilege and racism.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.

Says the white man from Alabama. Forgive us all if we take your pronouncements on race with a truckload of salt.

Guys, guys! No need to fight: BOTH of your arguments are moronic. Smiley

To the OP, he'll probably keep it respectable, bu the 50% +1 threshold reduces what minor chance he had.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 14, 2014, 02:55:47 pm
^ You're a racist. Really no other term can fit it. It's like a white person saying they'll never date a non-white person.

Eh, pretty sure his position is more like a Swede saying they'd never date a non-Swede (or a Swede that doesn't speak Swedish), or an Italian saying they'd never date a non-Italian, etc. That doesn't make it less objectionable, but it's not strictly race-based either.

Well, let's see:

Jaichind: would you ever date/marry a half Chinese/half-Korean or Japanese woman who was fully fluent in Chinese language AND culture (from extensive time spent there or whatever)? How about a half-chinese/half caucasian woman with the same cultural fluency? If yes, how about a woman who is only one quarter Chinese?

Would you even go as far as dating a full-blood non-Chinese Asian woman under such circumstances?
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 14, 2014, 01:52:43 pm
Unless Al, in his usual arrogant and condescending way,

Pot, meet kettle.

Anyhoo, my reason for posting here are to say that I'm a huge believer in popular soverignty, but it's downright foolish to leave such a mammoth vastly-reaching event utterly affecting every person to a simple 50%+1 vote. The fact that such an irrevocable change of history should be potentially determined by the momentary (dis)approval of the of the PM or Home Secretary, or some non-story like this twisting the vote based on a momentary sway of fleeting opinion, or bad weather >iminishing turnout in a pro-union stronghold.

There REALLY should be some type of super-majority required; at least 60%, if not 2/3 support. Fwiw, I felt the same way about the Quebec independence referendum,  and and Southern sucession as well.

That is all.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Molotov cocktail thrown into Rep. Cleaver's (D-MO) office on: September 14, 2014, 08:35:29 am
Fingerprints and DNA evidence will tell enough of the story to lead to a criminal prosecution.

Maybe yes, maybe no.

Even most reasonable intelligent people who fully understand tv isn't reality have their expectations of crime-detecting technology shaped by shows like CSI.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pueblo County Commission Candidate Tom Ready (R) goes truther on school shooting on: September 13, 2014, 09:30:25 pm
The fact some local county office seeker uttered such crap, in and of itself, says nothing.

The fact both the senate and grubenatorial candidates who attended this dinner apparently have stayed silent rather than risk offending a significant portion of their party base by rightly condeming such garbage, sadly, says a ton about the GOP (at least in CO).
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 13, 2014, 06:39:47 pm

2) As a personal matter to be applied to myself, I am not for miscegenation.  Ergo I would not consider dating someone that is not Chinese.  My current DW is indeed of Chinese origin just like myself.

The fact you apply it only too yourself doesn't make it any less horribly racist.

A personal lifestyle choice, true, but a theroughly racist one just the same.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 11, 2014, 05:59:24 pm
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Setting aside the conservative stances that Hochul—a former U.S. congresswoman representing Buffalo and Niagara Falls—has taken on Obamacare, gun control, and the treatment of undocumented aliens, de Blasio appeared with her outside City Hall and declared her “a true progressive.” He did radio ads and made robo-calls on Hochul’s behalf. And, according to some accounts, he went further than that. “Gov. Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio used threats and intimidation in recent days to block prominent Democrats from backing” Teachout and Wu, Fred Dicker, the New York Post ‘s veteran Albany columnist, reported. City Council members and state legislators were warned that, if they publicly endorsed Teachout and Wu, projects they support could be endangered, Dicker wrote.

As expected, the insurgency was ultimately defeated. In the race for lieutenant governor, de Blasio’s intervention may have been decisive. At one point last week, Wu’s internal polling showed him edging ahead. After the Mayor’s endorsement of Hochul, sentiment turned in her favor, particularly downstate. Wu ended up doing better in some upstate districts, such as Albany and Saratoga counties, than he did in the Bronx and Brooklyn, both de Blasio strongholds. The city’s outer boroughs also went heavily against Teachout. (In Manhattan, she received 42.7 per cent of the vote. In Queens, she got just 22.4 per cent.)

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/cuomos-embarrassment

*sigh* I had been so happy when de Blasio won; I'd been hoping he won way back when Anthony Weiner and Christine Quinn were supposed to be locks to win Sad  What a disappointment!  Sadly, he'll probably be New York's next Senator or Governor Sad  His kind always seem to win; things like this really make it hard not to just sink into apathy.  Just more proof that you never know with these guys until they inevitably let you down Sad

I agree with you, De Blasio has higher aspirations so he's selling out to get ahead, it's disappointing because I was a huge BDB guy like you.

Yes, the fact that he wouldn't back a protest candidate that never ever EVER had a chance to win, even with his theoretical enthusiastic backing, and didn't even back a severe underdog for a do-nothing office, means he's obviously an ideological Judas.

And liberals say Republicans are ideological purists. Roll Eyes

I'm talking about De Blasio backing Kathy Hochul, Jeff Klein, and Tony Avella.  If it were just him not backing Teachout, I could forgive him, but the f[inks]ing IDC?Huh Seriously?

My bad about Teachout; that wasn't my read (though I stick to my comments about not supporting Wu over Hochul being a no big whoop that would've been utterly foolish to do otherwise).

Re: the IDC candidates, yeah, i'd be teed about that if I were still a Democrat. Tongue though wasn't there a deal where the IDC where they are (at least provisionally) ending their alliance with the GOP and giving control back to the Dems?
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 10, 2014, 09:32:48 pm
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Setting aside the conservative stances that Hochul—a former U.S. congresswoman representing Buffalo and Niagara Falls—has taken on Obamacare, gun control, and the treatment of undocumented aliens, de Blasio appeared with her outside City Hall and declared her “a true progressive.” He did radio ads and made robo-calls on Hochul’s behalf. And, according to some accounts, he went further than that. “Gov. Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio used threats and intimidation in recent days to block prominent Democrats from backing” Teachout and Wu, Fred Dicker, the New York Post ‘s veteran Albany columnist, reported. City Council members and state legislators were warned that, if they publicly endorsed Teachout and Wu, projects they support could be endangered, Dicker wrote.

As expected, the insurgency was ultimately defeated. In the race for lieutenant governor, de Blasio’s intervention may have been decisive. At one point last week, Wu’s internal polling showed him edging ahead. After the Mayor’s endorsement of Hochul, sentiment turned in her favor, particularly downstate. Wu ended up doing better in some upstate districts, such as Albany and Saratoga counties, than he did in the Bronx and Brooklyn, both de Blasio strongholds. The city’s outer boroughs also went heavily against Teachout. (In Manhattan, she received 42.7 per cent of the vote. In Queens, she got just 22.4 per cent.)

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/cuomos-embarrassment

*sigh* I had been so happy when de Blasio won; I'd been hoping he won way back when Anthony Weiner and Christine Quinn were supposed to be locks to win Sad  What a disappointment!  Sadly, he'll probably be New York's next Senator or Governor Sad  His kind always seem to win; things like this really make it hard not to just sink into apathy.  Just more proof that you never know with these guys until they inevitably let you down Sad

I agree with you, De Blasio has higher aspirations so he's selling out to get ahead, it's disappointing because I was a huge BDB guy like you.

Yes, the fact that he wouldn't back a protest candidate that never ever EVER had a chance to win, even with his theoretical enthusiastic backing, and didn't even back a severe underdog for a do-nothing office, means he's obviously an ideological Judas.

And liberals say Republicans are ideological purists. Roll Eyes
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 10, 2014, 08:44:39 pm
I'm kind of surprised everyone thinks that NYC Dems are all progressives rather than minorities and the working class.

Who says minorities can't be progressives?

Or working class voters.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 10, 2014, 08:29:05 pm
The Cuomo-Hochul spread is a lot smaller than I thought.  The Cuomo machine did its job in getting the machine vote to Hochul well.

And whatever it did not, she did a good job compensating in the Upstate. She is a solid politician, always liked her.

My thoughts exactly.  I really like Hochul.  I considered switching my registration on temp basis to Dem just to vote for her in the primary as I will still vote for the GOP ticket in the general election.  I also wanted to vote to Cuomo in the Dem primary in such a scenario as I have a high level of respect for him although I will not vote for him in the general.

$hitiest. Endorsement. Evah.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Cuomo v. Teachout on: September 09, 2014, 11:29:36 pm
It's because Cuomo is only one example of how Italian-Americans are horrible people.

Jesus Christ, are you incapable of not being an asshole for five seconds?

Profanity guidelines be damned! This x 100! Angry
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nugent says ammo up for "day of infamy" on: September 09, 2014, 04:20:50 pm
<shouts from the back of the room> " Shuy up and play Great White Buffalo!!"
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Woman, mattress, rape, performance art on: September 09, 2014, 04:11:57 pm
Having to see the woman who was raped constantly remind you that she was raped is pretty uncomfortable. Still, it has to be more comfortable than being raped and not having authorities care enough to do anything about it.
Thank You.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senate advances anti-Citizens United amendment on: September 09, 2014, 03:23:21 pm
But...but I thought Pat Toomey was a moderate? Huh

Who knew the former CfG head would oppose limits on billionaires buying elections?
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: September 08, 2014, 09:53:27 pm
Being thoughtful and cautious about foreign policy = "passive","weak", "ineffective"

I hate to say it, but I think I'm gonna miss Obama.

Let's remember how awful Dubya was before we consider contemplation and caution as "passive", "weak", and "ineffective". Dubya was often decisive but wrong, and that got us into horrible situations.

It's like he didn't actually read my post.

Or was simply agreeing with you.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum County Map on: September 08, 2014, 09:49:17 pm
Bakersfield, CA
kidding!



25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: people you miss on: September 08, 2014, 09:44:12 pm
Anvi, lunar, purple state, barnes (he is inactive, right?)
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