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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lima, Ohio: A portrait of not getting by in the Rust Belt on: October 21, 2014, 03:44:11 pm
It's still amazing to me how people in Ohio think that a quarter black population constitutes some sort of negro ghetto. A quarter black here is a mass affluent McMansion suburb.

Well, it depends on where it Ohio. Wink The rural small town (and indeed throughout the county) my wife came from and we lived in for several years until recently had only a fraction of a percent African-American population. It reminded me of Dave Chappelle's joke about growing up in Yellow Springs: "My house was the black neighborhood". People in communities like that, but only 30-60 minutes from Lima--not too close, but close enough--it sadly made that impression.

The black population in Lima I believe isn't nearly as segregated as say, Detroit or even Chicago. There was a considerable amount of racial permeability in neighborhoods south of Elm. The neighborhood my close friends lived in at the time would have blacks and whites sharing most blocks. But by the time one gets to south and southeastern Lima, it turns into an overwhelmingly black neighborhood with a strong reputation for crime, drugs and gangs. It's that neighborhood that most whites in the region, and even many in Lima, consider the "black ghetto", which I promise is as bad as any place in, well, maybe not Memphis, but at least Nashville. Wink

And like most such neighborhoods, it's the tiny % of gangbangers and thugs who mess up the neighborhood and it's rep despite over 90% of the people there not being involved in any of that.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lima, Ohio: A portrait of not getting by in the Rust Belt on: October 21, 2014, 01:23:19 pm
@ DeadO: Yes, there's something to be said for cutting the apron strings and heading out to greener pastures. But I suggest that the economic security of one's hometown family and friends retains far more people than "My Hometown" sentimentality.

The Bakkus Shale in ND may seem tempting, if not for the one of the jobs in the gas fields then at least for one of the many support jobs opening up (everything from secretarial, waiter(ess)/bartender, garbage collection, etc. But consider most of the people most needing to get out are the ones with the lowest skill levels, education, and employment strengths. Those people can HARDLY count on getting a good paying gas field job and would at best be looking at a lower skilled (and thus lower paying) job like waiter, food service, etc. Yes, the job demand is out there and wages relatively high compared to (e.g.) Lima, but so are the costs of rent and living in general. So the scenario for most people is to pack and leave and somehow absorb the upfront costs not just of moving/gas, but security deposit and first month's rent that, due to the boom, is likely substantially more expensive than what they pay back in the Midwest (and that's just for the spartan cramped temporary worker housing/trailers put up for newcomers, but we're assuming they're willing to rough it). Again, this assumes a job is readily available even in boomtown once you get there. Odds are currently good, but it's a gamble for folks living (at best) paycheck to paycheck.

That's not an automatically insurmountable hurdle for everyone (though it is for a fair portion of the underclass), but it return they have to give up the economic security of family and friends able and willing to offer/share childcare, an extra bag of groceries the fridge is empty before payday, maybe a little case when the utilities are close to being shut off, even a couch or spare room to stay in if there are troubles with the landlord or finding a new place, not to mention job referrals that might help with employment (temporary, informal under the table, or otherwise).
And that's not including the many folks who are tied to house with an underwater mortgage and see marginally better hope of waiting for better times (and real estate values) rather than default and definitely lose tens of thousands, or who are otherwise tied to family who are infirm/special needs, or otherwise in need of support; family members whom they can't support trailblazing to North Dakota but aren't willing or able to merely abandon into social services.

That's a lot to give up to swallow the not-inconsiderable costs of relocating to a boom area to hunt for a job that will probably be there and probably make up for the increased cost of living, but with questionable reliability beyond the short term and giving up the financial safety net friends and family can provide. I accordingly question how many of these people staying in their rust belt towns are simply stubborn sentimentalists rather than rational economic actors. Certainly both types exist, but I suspect there are more of the latter than people assume.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: People of the Republic of Atlasia v. Snowstalker on: October 21, 2014, 12:28:08 pm
Not Proven.

Huh

Every juror's right, of course, but odd IMHO.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: What is Gardner doing that Buck didn't to not fall flat on his face? on: October 19, 2014, 11:44:37 am
Gardner has done a phenomial job pretending to be a moderate, which is what won must ddo to win in CO.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Pennsylvania 2014 Discussion Thread on: October 18, 2014, 09:00:58 pm

Just read the article including his prior comment about having Latinos in the cabinet. "Let us know if you find any"?!? Shocked

6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Green Day on: October 18, 2014, 07:39:41 pm
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you prefer freepcrusher-style Democrats or krazen-style Republicans? on: October 18, 2014, 06:13:40 pm
I see it with Krazen, but how is Freepcrusher in any way sociopathic?
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should Badger and Keystone Phil have their own TV show? on: October 18, 2014, 06:10:09 pm
On second thought, Politicus and Badger TV show would be grand.

That would be critically panned and poorly watched spinoff of the original, after Phil left the series for a failed attempt at movie stardom.

The two main characters are next-door neighbours. Politicus is an exchange student from Denmark, interested in international elections. She suspects Badger of being a half-misogynist, half-man and half-badger and dedicates her time to unmask him. Badger is a rich lawyer, suspecting Politicus of being a succubus on a mission to eradicate the Muslims, which he vowes to stop at all costs. Despite strong differences, the two are getting married on season finale, which became a reason to cancel the show.

Reccuring characters includes Joe Republic, Badger's former law partner-turned-bitter enemy; Oakvale, who goes around and wants to ban every single thing he sees and ag, a professional doomsday preacher from Mexico. 

Am I too busy playing Soccer in each episode to even make an appearance?

Guest appearances only, but only after your initial film undersold Leonard Part 6.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: October 18, 2014, 06:05:57 pm
This isn't 2000, champ.

What if you generally hate hip-hop/rap except when used with rock or another genre, e.g. nu metal?

That's not a bad post, just someone with a different taste than you.

Yet, as several posters in varying ways made the same point, more than a little correct.

Being a minority view doesn't make something bad or wrong, just as something doesn't become "more than a little correct" because it is a majority view.

When did I ever say that it was correct due to being a majority view (or even a majority view)? Nu metal is an atrocious corporate focus grouped product which blighted late 90s and 2000s radio.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some facts about homelessness in America on: October 18, 2014, 08:26:53 am
I see your point, and maybe we're debating over semantics, but the fact that about 1 million children are functionally homeless to me is a crisis.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: BushOklahoma vs Inactive - Weird Al on: October 17, 2014, 11:52:38 pm
I would vote for anything made by Weird Al over most posters. (normal)
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which SC Justice Is the Above Poster Most Like? on: October 17, 2014, 11:43:38 pm
Ginsberg.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Did you like going through a car wash as a kid? on: October 17, 2014, 11:41:45 pm
Why are we referring to this in the past tense, or with the phrase, "as a kid"?

Because 13 year age limit.

I'm pretty sure Joe is implying--correctly--that it's still very possible to enjoy this as an adult.

And he's totally right.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to right now? II on: October 17, 2014, 11:40:57 pm
Punk station on Pandora. Social suicide by Bad Religion.

Whoops! Just ended. Now Loudmouth by The Ramones.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: October 17, 2014, 11:37:46 pm
This isn't 2000, champ.

What if you generally hate hip-hop/rap except when used with rock or another genre, e.g. nu metal?

Thats not a bad post, just someone with a different taste than you.

Yet, as several posters in varying ways made the same point, more than a little correct.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Am I really such a bad person? on: October 17, 2014, 11:34:30 pm
No, you're not. And you're taking this much, much too seriously.

Now start a poll.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Georgia's Very Own Megathread! on: October 17, 2014, 10:47:33 pm
On Sunday I'll be down in south GA helping my dad to settle some stuff with my grandparents' estate. I will have a lot of conversation time with several of my aunts and uncles who are very politically-minded. So please post any questions or topics you would like discussed in next edition of BK's Family PoliticsWatch: ElectionTracker 2014

This never happened, and the Forum mourns. Cry
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: GA: WRBL/Ledger-Enquirer: Nunn +1 on: October 17, 2014, 10:28:07 pm
The SoS had a ton of discretion in the case, the judge actually gave him a chance to propose an amended calendar that complied with the law but his only idea was "derp let's allow people to keep sending in ballots after we count all the votes"

Propose something that complies with Georgia statute and the Federal law at the same time in this scenario if the legislature doesn't act if you are the SoS.

The 28-day state law runoff requirement is a hard date for state races. The 45-day minimum absentee ballot federal law requirement is a requirement in the Federal races. The only way out of the box is for the legislature to rewrite the law to mirror the Federal requirements. Otherwise you are stuck with two runoffs.

And if turnout wasn't THE key to winning the runoff, do you really believe the leg wouldn't have readily changed said law?
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: ME-Pan Atlantic SMS: Collins leads by 43 on: October 17, 2014, 09:40:12 pm
Maine is so disappointing Sad

Glad we could help Smiley

The idea that non-MA/RI New England (yes, even VT) is this loyal and proud progressive/Democratic voting bloc is stupid.  It'll vote for the right kind of Republican, easily.  It's a very independent region.

Name one palatable to ME voters that exists outside Collins. Seriously. Even if you get Collins' ideological twin nominated to replace her (and I have minimal faith in ME GOP primary voters ability to nominate someone ideologically closer to Collins than LePage unless the candidate's name is Susan Collins), that candidate will be in tough trouble without a couple decades worth of incumbency.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: KY-Rasmussen: McConnell+8 on: October 17, 2014, 09:32:46 pm
Follow the money, people. Turtle is coming back for another term.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: GA: WRBL/Ledger-Enquirer: Nunn +1 on: October 17, 2014, 09:30:32 pm
If it gets to a runoff (which I think it will), it will depend on:

1) how far Nunn will run ahead of Perdue on November 4 (if at all).   She would probably need at least a 2 point lead on Election Day.

2) the Senate breakdown after November 4.  If the Republicans have already won the Senate in November, the enthusiasm level goes down (like it did for the Democrats in 1992 Coverdell-Fowler and 2008 Chambliss-Martin), and  the runoff will probably favor Nunn

At the end of the day though, the libertarian vote won't be six-percent on Election Day, so a 2-point lead would probably get you very close to 50%. Libertarians will poll around 6-percent in Georgia, but end up in the 2-3 point range when people pull the lever on Election Day.

Don't forget there's also the Governor's race in Georgia. If that goes to a runoff as well, you'll have higher turnout. It will basically be a general election redux.

There would be two seperate runoffs in Georgia.  The Governor's race in December, the Senate in early Jan

Wow. That seems like a tremendous waste of time, resources and taxpayer dollars.

This is what happens when Republicans make election calendars. Another example: Christie scheduling the special Senate election like 2 weeks before the general last year.

I think it has more to do with the Feds meddling in Georgia's existing runoff laws than anything else. You have to send absentees out 45 days before a Federal election. Obviously, you have to give time to print the ballots and take absentee requests.

The Georgia statute requires a runoff 28 days after the general election for state elections not subject to Federal statute.

Since Fed law trumps state laws on Fed elections, they pushed the 2014 runoff past the holidays into January. They don't have the same luxury with the state-wide elections as they are constrained by the statute.

Sourcing:
O.C.G.A. 21-5-501 http://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-21/chapter-2/article-12/21-2-501

2012 complaints by Feds about Ga schedule: http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2012-06-22/doj-ga-runoff-schedule-violates-federal-law


Be real. GA could've just as easily complied with federal election law and put both elections on the later date. This is all about lowering turnout because.......well. Sad
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: PPP-IA: Braley +1 on: October 17, 2014, 09:27:09 pm
Stupendous news! An extremist nutjob like Ernst has no business being a US Senator.

Is it possible that Braley is improving because of early voting? In other words, Dems are getting a lot of people out to vote who would normally be shut out of the LV screen, but you can't say someone who already voted isn't a likely voter.

You really believe the above?

Yes?

The question mark appended to the "yes" meaning that you are unsure if you really believe what you said?

The question mark was because your question was fairly odd, considering any rational person knows that Joni Ernst is an extremist nutjob.

IC. I guess that I am just irrational then. Thanks.

Perhaps. Unless you think that someone who thinks Obama is a dictator that should be impeached, peddles Agenda 21 conspiracy theories, supports Personhood which failed even in Mississippi, thinks the EPA should be abolished, thinks Iraq had WMDs, etc. is not an extremist. She's basically a more charismatic version of Sharron Angle. I know the Republicans have gone far right recently, but even by that standard she's still way out of the mainstream.

Seriously Torie. I may've been a godless Democrat not THAT long ago, but how is she materially different than, say, Michelle Bachmann? If Ernst isn't extreme, then.....Huh
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: favorite dumb posts from other forums on: October 17, 2014, 09:21:12 pm
Sorry, but...

Any number of things I've seen on Stormfront, which I wouldn't really feel comfortable posting here.

...what? You post on Stormfront? The fyck?

Seriously. Miles! What gives?? Tell us you're trolling them or working for the SPLC. Huh
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Where would you rather want to live ? (Tender Branson edition) on: October 17, 2014, 09:17:57 pm
Cantania, I think.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you be disappointed if your daughter was dating the previous poster? on: October 17, 2014, 09:16:06 pm
Yes, primarily because his favorite sport is baseball rather than hockey. Tongue
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