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1  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Atlas Forum Feedback on: July 24, 2015, 09:46:49 pm
By which I don't mean trolling (which can be funny) but, to name one example, responding to a poll simply with "FF" and no extra detail.

I think a good way to solve this without a more harsh moderating approach would be changing the software to set a minimum number of characters (~5?) that a post can contain.

FF!!!

Fair point. The number wouldn't have to be exactly 5 (probably higher), but I'm not sure how else you would cut down on sh**tposts without being very subjective.
How about a minimum on how many words are in a post. 

How about every post has to contain at least four vowels and seven consonants. That would be fun.

God this place needs a like button. Smiley
2  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: How's the communication going now? on: July 24, 2015, 09:11:38 pm
^back in the day Dave chose moderators, often based off of community input. But for years now the moderators have picked their own. Picking their friends or people they think will join them in their groupthink is the most important qualifying factor rather than having a diverse sampling of our community. The dissenters (Sam) have been purged. The ones disloyal to the clique (BK) have been purged. Our beloved forum is in such sad shape in large part due to this destructive policy.

Yeah, stick it (yawn) to the man.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Petition for a Constitutional Convention, that would reform Atlasia on: July 24, 2015, 05:18:09 pm

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BADGER
4  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: How's the communication going now? on: July 24, 2015, 05:01:52 pm
Moderators should certainly be active posters, but I agree with Alcon that it is an important strength of the moderation team that they are specifically not part of the social community of this forum for the most part. Being a mod should have a certain distance from the stupidity and cliquishness that pervades certain parts of Atlas' community. Being well liked is not, and should not, be a job requirement. If the job was all about pleasing people, nothing would ever get done.

I agree that a mod needs to rise above the cliqueishness and popularity contest of Forum culture, at least in their moderating duties. That said, we shouldn't try to seperate ourselves from Forum culture like a monastic cult afraid of being spiritually corrupted by the world. to the extent that's happened already it has alienated much of the community by making the mods seem remote, eletist and disconnected.

anyone who can't separate the modding from who they like or dislike shouldn't be a mod, period , but that doesn't mean mods should socially cloister themselves. it's a bad idea, not to mention. means missing out on what the community has to offer. Smiley
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should Mr. Moderate be de modded? on: July 24, 2015, 11:30:38 am
He should be de-modded for not being an active mod more than his atrocious comments about BK.


What about Mr. Moderate's  recent lack of activity makes him inappropriate to be a mod? It's not like he's disappeared like Master Jedi or Emsworth. As long as complaint reports aren't piling up on the boards he mods, Mr. M has been around long enough to know the Forum and what makes it tick even if he's behind on the latest club gossip.

Just because one's real life makes it difficult for a period to follow the latest twist on Update or the results of the last fantasyland election doesn't mean one should stop being a mod altogether.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Sabato Update: A Small Senate Battlefield on: July 24, 2015, 11:18:46 am
Interesting. My gut feeling tells me that one of Johnson and Kirk will survive. For the moment I think it will be Kirk.

My gut feeling is telling me both of them are sunk.   Especially Johnson.

Yeah, my gut feeling says they both lose, everyone else holds on, and the GOP picks up Nevada.

The only other state the GOP is very vulnerable in is Ohio with Strickland, but I give Portman better odds there, especially if Kasich is on the ticket.

As of now, this. The other big question is whether the DSCC is able to break down Hassan's reluctance to run In NH. I doubt she wants to give up likely reelection to the governor's mansion for what would at best be a 50/50 shot against Ayotte.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP donor calls for debate boycott if Trump included on: July 23, 2015, 10:01:59 pm
It's not just one donor
Quote
Many national Republican officials are increasingly resigned to Mr. Trumpís looming presence. At a meeting of the Republican Governors Association this week in Aspen, Colo., donors and operatives mused about how to prevent him from hijacking the debate.

One idea that came up was to urge three leading candidates ó Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor; Mr. Walker; and Senator Marco Rubio of Florida ó to band together and state that they would not participate in any debate in which Mr. Trump was present
, using his refusal to rule out a third-party bid as a pretext for taking such a hard line. The thinking, according to a Republican involved in the conversations, was that the lesser-funded prospects who have been eclipsed by Mr. Trump would follow suit, and the TV networks airing the debates would be forced to bar Mr. Trump in order to have a full complement of candidates.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/us/politics/donald-trump-stealing-spotlight-with-caustic-comments-eclipses-his-rivals.html?ref=politics&_r=0

It's not enought that these scumbags buy individual candidates; now they openly want a veto power on the campaign process.

My mind's now made up.  I'm a registered Republican who liked Trump, but was unsure as to whether not not I really wanted him as a President.  Now, I'm on board to stick it to these rich pieces of crap who want to buy our democracy.  Trump needs to win and the Rich Lowlife Donor Class needs to lose.

You don't see any contradiction there, do you?

No, I really don't.  Trump's putting himself up; he's not like Foster Friess, making payments on rick Santorum, or Sheldon Adelson, who probably has 3 or 4 of the main candidates on board with his particular plan already.

To the degree that a vote for Trump is a vote agaiinst the GOP Donor Class, I'm all for that.  I'd vote for a traitor to his class who'll be a servant for his Nation.  Trump promises this.  The responses of Trumps enemies give me reason to think that he may well be serious.

Fuzzy, haven't you read some of the articles linked around here? Trump literally is the donor class, as in a huge political donor (to both parties, btw).
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP donor calls for debate boycott if Trump included on: July 23, 2015, 10:00:14 pm
It's not just one donor
Quote
Many national Republican officials are increasingly resigned to Mr. Trumpís looming presence. At a meeting of the Republican Governors Association this week in Aspen, Colo., donors and operatives mused about how to prevent him from hijacking the debate.

One idea that came up was to urge three leading candidates ó Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor; Mr. Walker; and Senator Marco Rubio of Florida ó to band together and state that they would not participate in any debate in which Mr. Trump was present
, using his refusal to rule out a third-party bid as a pretext for taking such a hard line. The thinking, according to a Republican involved in the conversations, was that the lesser-funded prospects who have been eclipsed by Mr. Trump would follow suit, and the TV networks airing the debates would be forced to bar Mr. Trump in order to have a full complement of candidates.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/us/politics/donald-trump-stealing-spotlight-with-caustic-comments-eclipses-his-rivals.html?ref=politics&_r=0

I could see Cruz refusing to participate in a debate where Trump is unfairly excluded.

No way in hell. He needs the exposure to make his anticipated (by him) breakthrough, and "bowing to political correctness" like that undermines the very base he's trying to cultivate.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: IN-Gov: Glenda Ritz (D) running on: July 23, 2015, 09:54:50 pm
Surprised she took the plunge - she has my support.


Shocked
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bobloblaw Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: July 23, 2015, 09:34:31 pm
Nader was/is a narcissistic jerk, as many 3rd party candidates are.

What on Earth is wrong with this? Many long-time Nader workers have expressed this view of him.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of banned posters: Tweed on: July 23, 2015, 09:30:06 pm
A legendary bastard

fixed.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should Mr. Moderate be de modded? on: July 23, 2015, 09:29:16 pm
Of course not. Don't be silly.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Irony Oremine on: July 23, 2015, 09:28:54 pm
 I'm a registered Republican who liked Trump, but was unsure as to whether not not I really wanted him as a President.  Now, I'm on board to stick it to these rich pieces of crap who want to buy our democracy.  Trump needs to win and the Rich Lowlife Donor Class needs to lose.

Wow.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP donor calls for debate boycott if Trump included on: July 23, 2015, 09:23:40 pm
It's not just one donor
Quote
Many national Republican officials are increasingly resigned to Mr. Trumpís looming presence. At a meeting of the Republican Governors Association this week in Aspen, Colo., donors and operatives mused about how to prevent him from hijacking the debate.

One idea that came up was to urge three leading candidates ó Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor; Mr. Walker; and Senator Marco Rubio of Florida ó to band together and state that they would not participate in any debate in which Mr. Trump was present
, using his refusal to rule out a third-party bid as a pretext for taking such a hard line. The thinking, according to a Republican involved in the conversations, was that the lesser-funded prospects who have been eclipsed by Mr. Trump would follow suit, and the TV networks airing the debates would be forced to bar Mr. Trump in order to have a full complement of candidates.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/us/politics/donald-trump-stealing-spotlight-with-caustic-comments-eclipses-his-rivals.html?ref=politics&_r=0

It's not enought that these scumbags buy individual candidates; now they openly want a veto power on the campaign process.

My mind's now made up.  I'm a registered Republican who liked Trump, but was unsure as to whether not not I really wanted him as a President.  Now, I'm on board to stick it to these rich pieces of crap who want to buy our democracy.  Trump needs to win and the Rich Lowlife Donor Class needs to lose.

You don't see any contradiction there, do you?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The cause of the Trump surge. on: July 23, 2015, 09:22:49 pm
Distinctly the second.

This. There's always a swoon of low info voters for candidates who purportedly "tell it like it is". They tend to fade.

How is Trump going to maintain the media attention by invoking increasingly inflamatory statements for the next 6 months without people getting bored and/or turned off? Answer, he won't.

Likewise, I wouldn't hold hope of him doing well in the debates.

The one thing to separate him from being another Bachmann is his fortune. That'll keep him in the game as long as he wants (i.e. until the field has winnowed out to a few real contenders and his showings become humiliating).

"Low information voters."  You mean folks who need elites explaining to them what is good for them, because they are either too lazy to figure it out for themselves or too stupid to know better?



People who follow public affairs even less than the typical American, and are easily swayed by lowest common denominator sound bites, at least until the race heats up and they start paying attention about a month before election day.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread (Part 2) on: July 23, 2015, 09:18:44 pm
Is there any serious candidate expected to enter the race post-Kasich? (ftr, despite the clickbait title above, no way in hell in Biden getting in).

Perhaps we should consider unstickying this thread now? The field seems set (until folks start dropping out, that is).
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sarah Palin supports Donald Trump on: July 23, 2015, 08:56:01 pm
Donald Trump
-supports a 14% wealth tax
-supports universal health care
-pro-choice
-against free trade
-against property rights
-donated to Hillary Clinton and Anthony Wiener

NEWS FLASH: People can change their political views over the course of fifteen years.

He gave over $100k to the DSCC in the last election. He gave more to Republican groups, but The Donald's gonna have some splaining to do at the debates. How do you think Iowa Republicans will react to being told Trump helped fund Bruce Braley? Or NH Pubs when told his money helped keep Shaheen in office?

The downfall will start there.......
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What not to do with your gambling revenue: the failure of Tunica, Mississippi on: July 23, 2015, 08:28:17 pm
Jefferson Davis's house is across the street (actually I think Katrina God's will may have destroyed that). 
Cool
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: The New Iowa Duo on: July 23, 2015, 08:24:00 pm
IA Dems have a pretty deep bench. Ernst will have her work cut out for her, especially in a presidential year.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Primary Endorsements megathread. on: July 23, 2015, 08:03:38 pm
John Kasich
Endorsement Points: 3

Statewide Office Holders (1)
- Mary Taylor, Lieutenant Governor of Ohio

Former U.S. Senators (1)
- John E. Sununu, former U.S. Senator from New Hampshire


Technically he's also endorsed by the OH Auditor, Secretary of State, and AG. The latter is former US Senator Mike DeWine, so I'm not sure if he gets double points for that. Grin

EDIT: Tmthforu beat me to it. Sad
Ah, except he didn't mention Auditor Dave Yost, so my post has meaning. Grin
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Rand Paul bring his father on the campaign trail? on: July 23, 2015, 07:49:13 pm
His campaign isn't really generating that much excitement and a lot of Libertarians have doubted if not abandoned him. I know it would be risky and Ron Paul's not the best speaker but Rand could control the content of his speeches and galvanize the support of more in the process. What do you guys think?
This is exactly why I can't take Paul criticism seriously. It's either people blatantly lie or have no knowledge of the liberty movement.

Yes. He should have been a visible part of the campaign from day one. Why Rand thought that he could court a party elite that hates him, hates his family, and hates the political movement that swept him to office in the first place is beyond me.

Rand Paul has been trying to simultaneously hold onto his father's libertarian supporters, cozy up to the Republican establishment, and court voters in the party's base.  In trying to do these three contradictory things at the same time, he's failed in all of them.

The establishment is lukewarm toward him, conservatives are lukewarm toward him, libertarians are lukewarm toward him.  His campaign has become a lukewarm pile of disappointment and wasted potential. 

The sad part about all this is that Paul was the frontrunner for the nomination and the clear favourite among conservatives before he decided to rebrand himself. All he had to do was stick to his guns and ride the wave.
He was the frontrunner when rarely anyone was making noise about 2016. That's not a legitimate frontrunner.
Again, it amazes me how people think libertarians are overwhelmingly leaving Rand. This myth is absurd.

"Myth"? Maybe it has to do with those pesky poll numbers.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why did Romney Lose Florida? on: July 23, 2015, 07:14:19 pm
It was quite close throughout with Romney behind. Arguably Obama's response to Sandy was enough to just barely put him over.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeb Bush: "We need to figure out a way to phase out" Medicare on: July 23, 2015, 07:07:26 pm
The one constituency he needs, in FL, he managed to offend. The AARP proudly supports Hilarycare insurance.

The AARP whispers its support of Obama/Hillarycare. Oh, officially they do, but they don't trumpet that fact to their members who largely oppose it.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: When will Trump drop out? on: July 23, 2015, 07:05:58 pm
Torn between option 2 and 3. His money may keep him in till Super Tuesday, but he has to at least not embarrass himself in the early states.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The cause of the Trump surge. on: July 23, 2015, 06:45:29 pm
Distinctly the second.

This. There's always a swoon of low info voters for candidates who purportedly "tell it like it is". They tend to fade.

How is Trump going to maintain the media attention by invoking increasingly inflamatory statements for the next 6 months without people getting bored and/or turned off? Answer, he won't.

Likewise, I wouldn't hold hope of him doing well in the debates.

The one thing to separate him from being another Bachmann is his fortune. That'll keep him in the game as long as he wants (i.e. until the field has winnowed out to a few real contenders and his showings become humiliating).
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