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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why does the media have such a fetish with Mike Pence calling his wife "mother"? on: Today at 01:27:44 am
Considering that this is the first time I hear of it, does not seem to be such a media fetish.


This.

I'll further add to those calling it an "old white couple thing" Pence is only 57 years old!. He's barely old enough to remember the Beatles. Disco was king when he graduated high school. He's nowhere near that generation.

Sorry, it's creepy.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: Today at 01:20:19 am


Says it all really.

Even if you support him, can we all simply acknowledge that Trump is unpopular and it's not surprising?

He became president despite losing the popular vote by a greater amount than anyone whose managed entering the Oval Office. He ran a campaign that was proudly divisive against "anyone who isn't us". He was chronically vulgar, insulting, and obnoxious in a manner greater than literally every other major party candidate in history combined--supporters considered it "telling it like it is". Whatsmore, we can all agree that his REPEATED statements about pussygrabbing, women "being dangerous by working out of the home", liking to intrude on beauty show dressing rooms, etc.  etc. etc., proved even to his supporters that, although they preferred him to Clinton, he's still fundamentally a scumbag personally.

Most importantly, he has not said one thing or taken a single action since being elected to change that course and actually unify the country. His supporters saying that candidate Trump would develop gravitas and his non-ideological nature to build bridges have bupkis to show for that theory, and it ain't about to happen.

The only people trying to claim he's not unpopular are those that always supported him.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Double-Think: Kelly-Ann Conway calls Spicer lies "alternative facts" on: Today at 01:04:32 am
Blah blah blah.

Any news I don't like is fake news
Haha, exactly the left's shtick.

Ummmm, since when? Seriously. The entire "liberal media" blah blah blah led to the foundation of Fox, so people could live in a conservative echo chamber and reporting facts became subservient to propaganda vaguely posing as reporting.

Pull the false equivalency BS all you want, MSNBC giving Rachel Maddow a show and approximately 100 people subscribing to The Young Turks doesn't mean there's anything remotely of the same magnitude or scale or ubiquitousness of behavior on the left.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Voting rights bills and lawsuits megathread (Updated: Jan 13th) on: Today at 12:59:07 am
Iowa Secretary of State Paul Pate pushes voter ID plan, but resists photo ID requirement

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/12/voter-id-plan-isnt-aimed-election-fraud-pate-says/96504508/

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Iowa Secretary of State Paul Pate on Thursday defended his new voter identification proposal as an effort to improve administrative efficiency — not to prevent fraud or disqualify voters.

And he said he’d oppose any efforts by state lawmakers to expand the plan to include a more controversial photo-ID requirement for voters.

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Iowa voters would be required to show a state-issued driver’s license, a passport or military ID card when they vote, allowing poll workers to scan a bar code on that document to accurately call up each voter’s file in the state database.

Should the law be enacted, election officials would identify all currently registered voters and new registrants who do not have appropriate ID and provide them a free, permanent, driver’s license-quality voter card containing the necessary bar code. The card would not include a photo.

No currently registered voters would risk disqualification under the plan, Pate said, and all new registrants without other ID would receive a free card. Voters who come to the poll without an ID card would vote a provisional ballot.

His plan sounds more reasonable, and it is nice to see a Republican not insisting on photo IDs for once. If his plan really does call for reaching out to most people without IDs and providing them one suited for voting, then that is something I can get on board with.

However, how much sway does he really have in this debate? He is the state SoS, and legislators can just pass their photo ID requirements regardless of what he thinks. Anyway, we'll see!

This actually seems pretty reasonable.

Except of course I assume the provision COMPLETELY unrelated to partisanship about not allowing student IDs as a valid form of picture ID remains?
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Richard Spencer punched in the face at protest on: Today at 12:45:54 am
All this said, punching Richard Spencer and his ilk aren't going to solve, or even seriously address the problem. If we set aside the hyperbole, overt neo-Nazis aren't going to take over or even seriously intimidate the body politic like early 30's Germany. We need to be far far more concerned with their sympathizers in high positions whose veneer of respectability insulates them to varying degrees. Assaulting these meaningless peons of the hate movement in anything other than legit self-defense only drags the assaulters and their movement down to the Nazis level, both in an objective moral sense, as well as a subjective judgment of public opinion.

Keep calm and fight racists, but not with violence. It's worse than useless; it's downright counterproductive.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Richard Spencer punched in the face at protest on: Today at 12:35:04 am
It wasn't obvious until after they came to power and in particular during the war that the nazis were just as bad as the communists, but by then it was too late. If it hadn't been for far left violence and the Weimar authorities failure to control it then World War Two and all its horrors could have been avoided.

No, chucklefu#*. it was really REALLY obvious to most non-cretins that Hitler was going to be as bad as he was. That is to most non-cretins who rightfully put RIGHT wing violence as the pre-eminent reason Hitler came to power.

All respect to you, but no it was not obvious that Hitler would be anything, but another strongman, he had written a book with very extreme views. But Europe was full of strongmen which had said extreme things. At the same time let's remember that the crimes of USSR was not unknown at the time. So there was a very real fear of USSR in Germany at the time, only made worse by the fact that the Versailles Treaty had weaken the German state's monopoly of force, which had enable the political violence of the Weimar Republic. So there was a demand for a strongman, even if he was a thug like Hitler.

You'll get zero argument from me about the Versailles Treaty's punitiveness laid the groundwork for the rise of a strongman and undermined the Weimar Republic's legitimacy from the start. Other then that, though, with equal respect I firmly disagree.

Because he stated it so much better, I'll simply repost Apathetic Austrian's early comment:

if i as an austria may say something in that area.....

1) the punishment systems for the german countries after the first world accelerated the chance for the second one big scale.

2) every idiot who wanted to know it could have foreseen hitler's risk for the system since he was in prison for trying to OVERTHROW the government

3) a nazi terrorist group killed the austrian catholic-fascist autocrat in 1934.

4) the weimar system fought hard against left-wing/communist revolutionaries but didn't dare to punish right-wing revolutionaries in the same way.

5) hitler never lied about his goals.....which was clear if you read "mein kampf"...he just sugar-coated them in front of his bourgeoisie-industry friends.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If trump decides to go after pharma prices, is that a good or bad political move on: Today at 12:28:49 am
I can't see him doing it to much extent until the Hasert Rule and unrestrained fillabuster are done away with. Even if he could theoretically support and pass tough legislation with overwhelming Democratic support, unless a majority of the Republican caucuses support the measures it'll never get to the floor.

Besides, does anyone really believe President Trump cares remotely as much as candidate Trump about <snicker> limiting corporate gouging? That's his people!
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Louisiana "Blue Lives Matter" Law Makes Resisting Arrest a Hate Crime on: Today at 12:24:58 am
What a great rationale. Let's apply this to other hate crime laws as a test. So if I punch a black guy, I guess that makes it a hate crime, regardless of intent.

Not even close in reality.

FWIW, the SCOTUS case finding hate crimes constitutional, Wisconsin v. Mitchell, involved a black guy in Kenosha who saw Mississippi Burning with some friends and, being pissed off at the violence towards blacks depicted, asked his friends if they wanted to "move on some white people", and wound up seriously beating some random kid who passed by.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Richard Spencer punched in the face at protest on: January 23, 2017, 10:07:07 am
It wasn't obvious until after they came to power and in particular during the war that the nazis were just as bad as the communists, but by then it was too late. If it hadn't been for far left violence and the Weimar authorities failure to control it then World War Two and all its horrors could have been avoided.

No, chucklefu#*. it was really REALLY obvious to most non-cretins that Hitler was going to be as bad as he was. That is to most non-cretins who rightfully put RIGHT wing violence as the pre-eminent reason Hitler came to power.


I'll go back to the point I made earlier. Now of course we all know how bad things were for black African people under Apartheid. Bear that in mind whilst considering the case of the South Africa-Mozambique border in the 1980s. At that time you had a stream of illegal immigrants crossing from communist Mozambique to Apartheid South Africa to look for a better life.

Think about that for a second. Black people were willing to sneak through the barbed wire border fence, cross Kruger National Park which is inhabited by lions, elephants, hyenas and other dangerous as hell animals. They were willing to take those risks because they wanted a better life living as illegal immigrants in a country that was ruled by apartheid.

It was always obvious to most non-cretins how bad life would be for them living as black African people under Apartheid. And yet life for them under communism was significantly worse. That's how bad communism is.

Yeah, it's not like they were fleeing a civil war (one egged on the the apartheid government, incidentally) or anything.

Life in Mozambique got quite a lot better once the Communists won that civil war.

It was actually the communists who egged on the civil war (as in Angola) by being so vicious and repressive that it proved a rebellion. the government there was also supporting guerillas from Rhodesia and South Africa so unsurprisingly those countries supported the rebellion. And life didn't get that much better. I would also point out that 25 years after the war ended Mozambique is still one of the most poverty stricken holes in the world, you going to find excuses for that.

Lets put it this way. Imagine a world where the most powerful country in the world was a China with a right wing nationalist government who had conquered the UK and were ruling over it under a system of legal racial privilege where non-ethnic Chinese, including white British, were second class citizens. If I had the choice between living in that society and living in a communist dictatorship ruled by white British communists I would chose the former in a heartbeat.

Stupidity at its very finest.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Russian TV praising Trump for diving Western world and rejecting Democracy on: January 23, 2017, 01:48:51 am
ah, yeah, the unfiltered "official" position of russia regarding this whole mess.

kiselev is kind of the chef ideologue of the russian leadership.

they hate us and our liberal values and want to break us down and see mister trump as their trojan horse to accomplish those goals.

-Ladies and gentlemen, projection.

I am sure you believe that Mr. Kiselev is the most upstanding and sincere journalist. Given that, you will be happy to learn that it is this very gentleman who, not that long ago, during his evening newscast, while standing in front of an image of a mushroom cloud has been threatening nuclear annihilation of US cities. He is a charming guy, really charming.

Before talking nonsense, take a minute to learn at least something about what you are talking about. Every minute for the last 25 years I have been forgetting more about Russia and its media than you have ever known or will ever know. At this point, you are not merely sounding treasonous: but, actually, ridiculous.

And no, this is not a personal attack. It is just a reminder that being a bloody fool is not a necessary requirement for spotting a blue avatar around here, whatever Mr. Eharding might think.

mr. eharding has conclusively proven he doesn't think .
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Double-Think: Kelly-Ann Conway calls Spicer lies "alternative facts" on: January 22, 2017, 11:17:06 pm
Evidence that long lines kept people out of Inauguration from Right Side Broadcasting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1EZUlW9nQ


Now tell us how jet fuel can't cause industrial girders to crack, and Neil Armstrong's shadow on the moon was obviously caused by backlighting.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Richard Spencer punched in the face at protest on: January 22, 2017, 11:02:53 pm
It wasn't obvious until after they came to power and in particular during the war that the nazis were just as bad as the communists, but by then it was too late. If it hadn't been for far left violence and the Weimar authorities failure to control it then World War Two and all its horrors could have been avoided.

No, chucklefu#*. it was really REALLY obvious to most non-cretins that Hitler was going to be as bad as he was. That is to most non-cretins who rightfully put RIGHT wing violence as the pre-eminent reason Hitler came to power.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 22, 2017, 10:53:35 pm
Our excellent police are squashing violent leftist riots.

Link

Look at these racist right wingers



that's Krazen in the green.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Yougov: Half of Hillary voters think that Russia hacked the election on: January 20, 2017, 12:33:36 pm
In fairness, most of those 50 percent believing this are conflating obvious Russian hacking Clinton camp emails (plus other online attempts to influence the election) with actual hacking county board of election and Secretary of state offices to directly tamper actual vote totals.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: An American badger in England on: December 31, 2016, 12:44:16 pm
We actually saw Chepstow Castle the other day. Amazing!
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: An American badger in England on: December 30, 2016, 03:32:21 pm
OK,  don't take this as American tourist whining: Other than my distaste for public accommodations ha in the same bedtime as a 9 year old on holiday, the place has been awesome in almost everyway. But on behalf of my decidedly Undainty party of fellow travelers: Why is every single public toilet in this land disgusting,  even by public toI let standards?  Tongue
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Give a title to the previous poster's autobiography on: December 30, 2016, 03:25:58 pm
Moderate Hero IV: The Quest For Centrism

A Woman on Atlas: We Actually Exist!
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: An American badger in England on: December 30, 2016, 03:23:36 pm
Now on our way to Hadrian's Wall.  Smiley

thanks for the warning, i'll be on the wall with my sharp stick

Thanks for the warning, old friend.  Ive been alerted by my Polish mustelid brothers that the resistana organizing has begun. The Badger Underground if you will.  Grin
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: An American badger in England on: December 30, 2016, 03:18:02 pm
Now on our way to Hadrian's Wall.  Smiley

thanks for the warning, i'll be on the wall with my sharp stick

See you with a full lorica sevmentata, scutum, gladius, and pilae. Wink

(Cor, they learn slow up here) Grin

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20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: U.S. hits Russia with new sanctions over election hacks on: December 30, 2016, 03:11:38 pm
"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

In a way, I envy people who can still treat the CIA as a reliable source.

hi guys i know "truth" is kind of a challenging concept for you people but maybe try paying attention to it for once because there are so many independent analysts who have confirmed and verified that the attacks on the DNC servers and such were committed by Russian-affiliated assets that have been publicly identified for years. I mean I guess you can stick your head in the sand and delude yourself into believing Kremlin propaganda if you really want to but I just want to clarify that your false opinions are literally the information security equivalent to denying something like global warming or the heliocentric model. I guess if you really do love denying objective facts though I hear the Flat Earth Society is looking for new members

Per usual, BK wins the thread.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP proposes details of disastrous Social Security Reform - Massive cuts etc on: December 30, 2016, 03:09:51 pm
If the life expectancy becomes something like 100 years old, are we still going to have the retirement age at 65?  Honest question, as I am sure there are decent arguments to keep it at that (e.g., "Who the hell wants to HAVE to work more than 40 years anyway?!"), but seriously consider the life expectancy in the United States when this program was founded ... we didn't budget for this, and the only way to "re-budget for it" is to find the revenue to do such, probably in the form of more taxes.  The GOP isn't down with that, quite obviously.

Unfortunately living to 100 (on average) does not imply remaining physically or mentally fit enough to do useful and well-compensated work past 65 (on average). Or having any more years during which you can "enjoy your retirement" rather than sitting drooling in front of a television between hospitalizations and diaper changes.

Think about making this trade yourself. Suppose advanced medicine, improved safety, and higher standards of living can offer you another 20-30 years of advanced decrepitude and senility in exchange for another five years of work during which you remain relatively mobile and alert that you would otherwise be free to spend as you please. Does that sound like a worthwhile exchange to you?

On top of this, It is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) that the increase in life expectancy is very class and income correlated. Raising the retiremen age is basically requiring janitors and landscapers to work longer because lawyers and  business executives are listed in longer.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ‘Democratic Party Has No Earthly Idea Why Hillary Clinton Lost’ on: December 30, 2016, 02:56:53 pm
Voters deeply anxious over the economy and a candidate who doesn't primarily attack her opponent on such pochef book issues, despite being tremendously vulnerable on that front despite banking his entire campaign on being a "populist reformer".

Gee,  I can't imagine what could go wrong.

     Dems more or less allowed Trump to corner the anti-establishment populist sentiment. Granted he had a relatively easy time of it given the sheer extent of establishment support Clinton had, but to not even issue a direct challenge to his triangulation was a grave mistake.

"Anti-estblishment" is much harder a case to make when being attacked for rightly hang the same economic positions as Romney and W., right down to active use of outsourcing.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Donald Trump agrees with me that football is being ruined on: December 30, 2016, 02:31:30 pm
There's something heartening and reassuring about how this loser receives the same intense and richly deserved ridicule no matter where he goes with his impassioned whining about football. Find another hobby, guy, because this is pathetic

Wolverine or Trump? 
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ‘Democratic Party Has No Earthly Idea Why Hillary Clinton Lost’ on: December 30, 2016, 02:29:32 pm
Voters deeply anxious over the economy and a candidate who doesn't primarily attack her opponent on such pochef book issues, despite being tremendously vulnerable on that front despite banking his entire campaign on being a "populist reformer".

Gee,  I can't imagine what could go wrong.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What Kind of Conservatism Does FOX Shill For? on: December 30, 2016, 02:15:59 pm
Who cares.  The average O'Reilly show viewer is 72 years old.  That's how irrelevant these people are.

I watch FOX News every night. You kinda get cozy with the hosts. I love "The Five", I watch Special Report with Bret Baier sometimes, I always watch Bill O'Reilly and then usually "The Kelly File" at 9pm.

Explains much; none of it flattering.
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