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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Yes, prudery has ran amuck here on: May 24, 2016, 07:08:07 pm

Girls pls lay.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Classic Conservative on: May 24, 2016, 07:07:09 pm
Massive FF. If he moved here from Taxachusetts, he'd be far more appreciated and could even run for office! He'd fit right in with Saira Blair.

OK, this is rapidly getting old.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Adam Griffin on: May 24, 2016, 07:06:26 pm
Massive FF
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Yes, prudery has ran amuck here on: May 24, 2016, 07:05:46 pm
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being prudish.
This, but the word kind of grosses me out.

Y'all need laid.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of StatesPoll on: May 24, 2016, 07:05:01 pm
Coherence: OC levels
Trump hackery: Johnson levels
Stupidity: Off the chart

Hilarious, HP.

we agree on all but the last (corrected) point.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Angrie? on: May 24, 2016, 07:02:33 pm
Is "Angrie" TNVolunteer's sock account? It would make sense.

my God....It's Jsojourner all over again!
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you hope any Syrian refugees don't end up at Classic Conservative's school? on: May 24, 2016, 07:01:11 pm
Wow,
Kalwejt and BRTD agreeing on something, it's really rare.

I don't know, man. We're both on the left side of the spectrum. We certainly don't agree on music, though Wink

+1 Kal ;-)

And yes, i hope tons of them show up. The educational life lesson he earns would be tremendous.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Angrie? on: May 24, 2016, 06:58:21 pm
Whether it's an alt or legitimately a new poster, I love how they're getting under your skin. FF.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Classic Conservative on: May 23, 2016, 11:33:31 pm
Competitively annoying and simplistic because of his age, which I guess I shouldn't hold against him, but ... wow.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Give a jfern style response on the preveding topic on: May 23, 2016, 10:54:24 pm
can i just intrject to say this thread got boring about 4 pages ago?
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of TNVolunteer? on: May 22, 2016, 11:57:08 pm
Hypocritical Person for claiming NH is sexist because its women dare to run for office.
However, only two of the words mentioned describe me (I'm angry and a woman, but I'm from Massachusetts).
EDIT: Overall, has potential to be a (an?) FF, but jfern-esque whining about NH bogs him down.

About this. Can occasionally be a voice of reason when discussing anything but NH.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats are surprisingly NOT dependent on minority votes to win on: May 22, 2016, 06:40:26 pm
Angrie NEVER claimed Democrats can win with ZERO minroity votes.

Republicans are already close to maxed out on white support from 2012 levels

While Republicans have certainly maxed out the White vote in the South, they definitely haven't in the Midwest and in PA. I agree that Trump has serious problems with White women and minorities that he needs to overcome, though.

Don't try to argue with Badger or convince him of anything. He is the worst kind of Dem hack there is: Hillbot concealed behind a blue avatar.

First off, yesterday this "Dem hack Hillbot" and his Republican wife together knocked on dozens of doors in the rain AND made almost 300 phone calls for the GOP, plus turned out a couple volunteers we recruited earlier this week to do likewise, all while taking care of the house landscaping, a bit of work for my job, and taking care of our two young boys. How many doors or phones have you reached this week? This month?

In this past year I've served on my county GOP's Executive and Central Committee's, donated a few hundred dollars either in contributons or sponsering/attending several party funraisers, and my wife is under serious consideration to be hired as a full time field organizer. What have you offered the Party beyond your impressive keyboard-fu warrior skills?

Compare our respective levels of involvement and commitment (or lack thereof) to the Republican Party, and you STILL want to call me a "Dem hack Hillbot"? Just because like most Republicans I've correctly pointed out how we've chosen the weakest possible nominee because Trump's patently unsuitable temperment is obvious to most swing voters, as well as both the folly and uglliness of Trump's "white power" electoral strategy??

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I'm now going to respond to TN Volunteer's post myself, only cogently. Though if you ever need me to pimp slap you with another dose of reality like this again, just say the word.

Thanks for your reply!
Sorry about my previous posts/provocations.

Just try to point out the strengths of our nominee and not only his weaknesses. Everybody has weaknesses.

Objectively speaking, any Republican candidate would be the underdog in 2016. Trump has the best chance because he can appeal to the working class Dems. If only he can unite the party behind him, no matter if the party really loves him, he will be victorious.

No worries. If we weren't still tired, grouchy, and even a little wet from yesterday I wouldn't have snapped quite so uch. Wink

Now, explain to me the whole "working class white" appeal Trump supposedly has compared to other Republican candidates. Huh Do we really think that Trump  has any more to gain on immigration issues than Romney pushing self-deportation had? not to mention what little Trump may gain around the edges than he'll lose from younger whites (especially women) from his caustic Xenophobia? Besides, what leads one to believe those arguments are more appealing to working class voters than affluent GOP-leaning suburbanites?

Maybe trade? The one thing I've started wondering would be if he ran as Perot 2.0, only if Perot won the GOP nomination in 92. There's some real parallels there: A highly temperamental gaffe prone billionaire with basically conservative/right of center economic views except highly critical of free trades agreements, and who downplays positions on social issues (other than Trump's views on immigration and monitoring Muslims, of course). And of course running against a Clinton who waas vulnerable on trust/integrity issues.

Any number crunchers out there have a theory what would've happened in 92 if Perot was the GOP nom, but with 2016 electoral demographics?

I suspect there would've been some voting shift between Bush voters who would take Clinton over giving Perot access to nukes (and even some Perot voters willing to send a protest vote, but who would've balked at his actually being president) on the one hand, and Clinton and Bush voters who liked Perot best but didn't want to support a spoiler.I'm guessing they would've probably cancelled each other out.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Facts about "Reagan Democrats" on: May 22, 2016, 06:10:23 pm
the best i can tell the best equivilent to "Reagan Democrats" in this election are persuadables (i sometimes prefer that term to "swing voters") who strongly prefer Trump's protectionism to Hillary's generally free trade views. Voters like that are more likely to be blue collar and thus Dem leaning.

Maybe "Perot-Obama voters" is a slightly better (albeit still outdated) term?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: Polls Showing Sanders Could Beat Trump "Mean Nothing To Me" on: May 22, 2016, 05:48:45 pm
Hillary admittedly has a point. She's been the subject of attacks from the national GOP and conservative groups for almost 25 straight years without cease. Bernie has had a few afterthought swipes from commentators and candidates about being an avowed socialist. There woud be tremendous opportunity, material and resources to drive his negatives way up if the GOP needed to, but it knows it won't.


All it would take is a few months of truth telling and education on socialism  and Sanders would be McGovern 2.0

Hes 74 years old and never had a chance in hell to beat Hillary . 

This. Though his socialism would've damaged him far more than his age.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats are surprisingly NOT dependent on minority votes to win on: May 22, 2016, 05:46:09 pm
Angrie NEVER claimed Democrats can win with ZERO minroity votes.

Republicans are already close to maxed out on white support from 2012 levels

While Republicans have certainly maxed out the White vote in the South, they definitely haven't in the Midwest and in PA. I agree that Trump has serious problems with White women and minorities that he needs to overcome, though.

On what basis do you say Republicans aren't near maxed out on white support in the Midwest? Trade issues? Huh
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats are surprisingly NOT dependent on minority votes to win on: May 22, 2016, 05:40:24 pm
Angrie NEVER claimed Democrats can win with ZERO minroity votes.

Republicans are already close to maxed out on white support from 2012 levels

While Republicans have certainly maxed out the White vote in the South, they definitely haven't in the Midwest and in PA. I agree that Trump has serious problems with White women and minorities that he needs to overcome, though.

Don't try to argue with Badger or convince him of anything. He is the worst kind of Dem hack there is: Hillbot concealed behind a blue avatar.

First off, yesterday this "Dem hack Hillbot" and his Republican wife together knocked on dozens of doors in the rain AND made almost 300 phone calls for the GOP, plus turned out a couple volunteers we recruited earlier this week to do likewise, all while taking care of the house landscaping, a bit of work for my job, and taking care of our two young boys. How many doors or phones have you reached this week? This month?

In this past year I've served on my county GOP's Executive and Central Committee's, donated a few hundred dollars either in contributons or sponsering/attending several party funraisers, and my wife is under serious consideration to be hired as a full time field organizer. What have you offered the Party beyond your impressive keyboard-fu warrior skills?

Compare our respective levels of involvement and commitment (or lack thereof) to the Republican Party, and you STILL want to call me a "Dem hack Hillbot"? Just because like most Republicans I've correctly pointed out how we've chosen the weakest possible nominee because Trump's patently unsuitable temperment is obvious to most swing voters, as well as both the folly and uglliness of Trump's "white power" electoral strategy??

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I'm now going to respond to TN Volunteer's post myself, only cogently. Though if you ever need me to pimp slap you with another dose of reality like this again, just say the word.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Facts about "Reagan Democrats" on: May 22, 2016, 05:07:53 pm
Quote
article in Rolling Stone at the time that still showed him to be competitive with most Democrats, just as the equally unpopular Jimmy Carter was still competitive with Ronald Reagan according to the polls until the last week of the 1980 election, but that Walter Mondale had something like a 10%  lead (or higher) over Reagan in the Spring of 1983.

Perhaps, just perhaps the source was not reliable and had zero relation to reality?

Or, for those of us who remember, Reagan was NOwhere near the popular 49 state sweep guy in 1982-3 due to the (then) worst recession since the Great Depression.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: Polls Showing Sanders Could Beat Trump "Mean Nothing To Me" on: May 22, 2016, 05:03:23 pm
Hillary admittedly has a point. She's been the subject of attacks from the national GOP and conservative groups for almost 25 straight years without cease. Bernie has had a few afterthought swipes from commentators and candidates about being an avowed socialist. There woud be tremendous opportunity, material and resources to drive his negatives way up if the GOP needed to, but it knows it won't.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats are surprisingly NOT dependent on minority votes to win on: May 22, 2016, 04:56:42 pm
Angrie's analysis is spot on, as is her calling out TNV for silly and sexist ad hominum attacks.

To summarize:

Angrie NEVER claimed Democrats can win with ZERO minroity votes.

Republicans are already close to maxed out on white support from 2012 levels, which may drop as olds die and increasingly Dem friendly (or at least GOP unfriendly) youngs replace themat the polls.

The type of ugly, unabashedly racist and xenophobic campaign--like Trump's--necessary to even attempt (probably futile) significantly raising margins and turnout among whites to overcome unfavorable presidential election demographics is going to be profoundly ugly. The end result is likely to turn off notably more white voters--especially among millennials--than it will win.

If that weren't enough, the head to head matchup of Trump vs. Hillary is about the worst possible choice for the GOP to make utterly crucial inroads among the swing white women demographic.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: May 22, Finally TRUMP is ahead vs Hillary by RCP Average(first time) on: May 22, 2016, 04:18:40 pm
We need to jackhammer away with males. She's doing so horribly and male voters are the least likely to sway back and forth. If we can get too many whites to vote against her, all she will have is the McGovern rainbow coalition.

LOL.
We have so many Republicans and trump followers here on Atlas, saying that they hate when the "other side" keeps claiming that the trump campaign is nothing but "white male" voters.
Yet, you have a Pub here, advocating this EXACT campaign strategy. And to just forget about everyone else, including people of color ('the McGovern rainbow coalition").


What's more, Reaganfan is hardly alone. Most Trump supporters here complain about attacking him for racism and sexism is false ad pandering to "identity politics" but simultaneously go on about how Trump can and will win by hammering on the concerns of white males. Roll Eyes
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Facts about "Reagan Democrats" on: May 22, 2016, 04:11:01 pm
Since this incredibly stupid term is rearing its ugly head again, some things need to be pointed out:

1-"Reagan Democrats" by and large were not blue collar union workers. For proof go look at the 1984 results in Western Pennsylvania or the West Virginia coalfield.
2-Most "Reagan Democrats" ceased to even be Democrats after that. They were mostly the white blue dog southerners.
3-Reagan was last in an election 32 years ago. The youngest people who voted for Reagan are going to be 50 years old. And these would be people who voted for him in his first election, not consistent Democratic voters prior to that.

Basically the actual Reagan Democrats are all either in retirement homes or dead today. They're not commuting to their stereotypical blue collar job listening to John Mellancamp and Bruce Springsteen along the way and there's no group of people or demographic today that could be accurately defined as even sharing the traits of "Reagan Democrats" who are an important swing demographic. The term is meaningless as applied to any 21st century election. You might as well talk about "LBJ Republicans". So no, Trump is not going to win any states on the strength of "Reagan Democrats", the few that remain might vote for him but they've been voting Republican for decades now already.

It's good posts like this, BRTD, that make your attention whore posts about scene bands, hipster Christianity, and suburbs all worth it. Smiley
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Irony Oremine on: May 20, 2016, 11:31:27 pm
ENOUGH!! ALL parties back to their neutral corners NOW! Angry

This $hit got old weeks ago.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Smith-LL feud? on: May 20, 2016, 11:22:23 pm
Annoying as f@#k. They need to stop it before someone else does for them.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NV Democratic State Convention on: May 20, 2016, 11:05:12 pm
Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos


Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

Jfern, you, my friend, are an amazing example of Poe's Law. Sometimes, you say things so ridiculously stupid that I can't help but think you're joking. But then I remember that you're the one who supported Obama all through 2008 and then immediately called him a moderate hero when he took office.

So you've finally dropped the ruse of being 13?
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: William Weld - Libertarian VP Candidate on: May 20, 2016, 01:59:02 am
My God! With Weld the LP might increase it's vote in MA by up to a quarter percent, and maybe a whole tenth of a percent nationwide! They MIGHT even hit 2%!! GAMECHANGER!!!!!!
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