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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why are "small government" conservatives so obsessed with the gays? on: Today at 05:49:15 pm
An old joke. Democrats want to regulate High incomes, big business, and corporations. Republicans which regulates sex drugs and p***. In other words, it wants to regulate the other.Cheesy
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: So who really has the Russians backing? on: Today at 05:42:35 pm

Well you write a lot of stupid $hit your Kremlin masters tell you to write. So what?
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: So who really has the Russians backing? on: Today at 05:41:01 pm

Compelling retort bra.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: PA-Suffolk: Clinton +9 on: Today at 12:13:15 pm
Senate race numbers make this look suspicious, going to wait for PPP.

If PPP shows similar numbers, the Trump campaign has reason to start panicking.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: No EV winner, could Johnson win in the House? on: Today at 02:12:45 am
Of course not. Don't be silly.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump and Russia on: Today at 02:11:08 am
No. I don't think he was actually serious as much as he was musing aloud (is it nasty when I muse aloud in the car "God I hope that guy on the motorcycle gets ticketed when he cuts in front of me on the rice rocket?) for the sake of making news.

Prosecuting him or continuing this whole "TREASON" panic will only turn people off. Attack Trump for being a loud mouthed asshole who thinks he alone can fix it, not for being a traitor.

Sleep it off, Sanchez.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump and Russia on: Today at 02:10:32 am
LOL, no.
He was being sarcastic.


You're a patriot who supports America over your idols.

LOL no. I was being sarcastic.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump and Russia on: Today at 02:09:43 am
Not only didn't Trump break the law, but he also suggested that Russia follow it's treaty with the US and turn over any evidence that they have in the Hillary! FBI investigation.

Trump suggested that if Russia had the "missing" e-mails that they hand them over to the appropriate legal authority -- the FBI. There was nothing illegal with what Trump said.

It was a patriotic act by the Donald to request that these 30,000 e-mails that were "lost" despite a subpoena are handed over to the appropriate authorities. Let the sun shine in, Crooked Hillary!

America! Love it or leave it you commie troll!!
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump and Russia on: Today at 02:09:13 am
I struggle to see a way where Trump could be prosecuted for colluding with a foreign power in a manner that precludes criticism of it being a partisan set-up. But if there is any way for that to happen, I definitely think it should.

We need to find a rabid anti-Communist federal judge to preside over the trial, and it goes without saying rabid anti-Communists would be a) Republicans b) anti-Putin in general.

This all boggles the mind, though. Imagine if Obama had said this sort of thing about Bush in 2008. Or Dukakis in 1988 ("I hope the Russians release any missing Iran-Contra files..."). The GOP would crucify them, and rightly

Yes, it's impossible to imagine. Your example demostrates well how weak the US has become under Obama. It has lost its position of the superpower. How you are afraid of Russians now. This is the most prominent result of Obama's rule.

How much is Putin paying you to spam here you commie scum?

God Bless America.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 28, 2016, 08:58:10 pm
You know where else has stage-managed audience involvement in performances and "card stunts?" The wonderful nation of North Korea!

Yes, this and and an NKPD rally glorifying Kim as a demi-god are practically identical!
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump's comments about Russia hurt him? on: July 28, 2016, 01:46:16 am
neh. 90-95% of anyone still supporting him at this point is a cultist whose mind (such as it is) will not be changed by anything.
12  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Kaiser Willhelm II on: July 24, 2016, 03:10:56 am
NCYank has pwned this thread with historically accurate analysis
13  General Discussion / History / Re: Scottish's first War of Independance: de Moray or Wallace on: July 24, 2016, 02:00:02 am
From what I've read, still Wallace . carried on a difficult and fairly successful guerrilla campaign for some time. Also more inspiring to his following troops, which s Washington proved can make all the difference in the end.

But jeez are you right about Braveheart. Kilts in the 13th Century ?? As if.
14  General Discussion / History / Re: Most underrated evil person in history? on: July 24, 2016, 01:55:55 am
Rafael Trujilo, Augusto Pinochet, Papa Doc all spring to mind
15  General Discussion / History / Re: Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? on: July 24, 2016, 01:47:02 am
I also agree this is one of the few conspiracy theories that make sense.

1.How was Oswald, if he did the shooting at all, able to get into the Soviet Union and then re-enter the United States with no problems not too long later?

2.How did the shooter get off the number of shots fired in the time given?

3.I don't think the forensic evidence points to Oswald.  The 'single bullet theory' is absolute nonsense.  And the author of that theory, Arlen Spector, is not a physicist.  

4.Why did Jack Ruby, a known Mafia member, kill Oswald?  The reason he gave also strikes me as absolute nonsense.

5.It wasn't known at the time, but it is now known that the CIA and the Mafia were working together to assassinate at least one foreign leader: Fidel Castro.  They may have collaborated on killing other foreign leaders, and if they collaborated on  attempting to kill at least one foreign leader, why couldn't they have killed a domestic leader whom they both hated?

I am aware that in seemingly every murder investigation (which is what this basically is) there are anomalies that could be made out to suggest conspiracy theories, but I do think in this case these anomalies point to a possibility, and maybe even a strong possibility, of CIA/Mafia involvement. 

Of course, I don't know if this was at the top of the CIA who wanted to stop Kennedy before he could 'break their agency into a million pieces' or just rogue elements who were unhappy with Kennedy's treatment of the Dulles brothers.

Adam just summed up my thoughts, which are the only things keeping me from calling this a typcally cockamamie conspiracy theory
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Austin school teacher bodyslammed by police for speeding on: July 24, 2016, 01:39:25 am
Thats perfectly justified force .

And then she was told by the policeman that it was because blacks have violent tendencies.  

No matter how justified it may seem, ^ is how the police officer justified it to himself. And that's a pretty bad excuse.


Actually they do, but its irrelevant the officer didn't need to flap his gums any further.   I will agree with you there.  

Are you agreeing tht blacks have violent tendencies? Did I read that right?
MK is the only poster on all of Atlas I have on ignore. Now you see why.
Yes, black males are more likely to resist arrest.  Its irrelevant in this situation though.  The Officer is 100% justified in the use of force application here.   He doesn't need to explain anything other than her response to each of his verbal commands and as the video shows she clearly disobeyed those.

As usual, MK, you are completely and utterly 2+2 = 5 wrong, and your ignorance is per typical stemming directly from out and out prejudice.

I've watched hundreds, if not thousands of police videos involving arrests, mostly as a prosecutor, and that cop GROSSLY overreacted. This wasn't "racial politics" leading to outrage, but horribly unrestrained police work by ANY reasonable professional standard.

The other cop's stated belief that "99% of these cases....it is the black community being violent", and that he "doesn't blame" white people for being afraid is Exhibit A for why BLM should exist. The prejudice of cops like him that black skin = "likely violent until proven otherwise". And your man-child defense of that view is pathetically typical of your racism.

Can I tell you how simply wonderful of you it is to merely blame the black community for committing rampant violence, but still willing to acknowledge that not all blacks aren't like that. How utterly sweet and Kum bye yah of you that is. Smiley

I so can't wait until you leave after the election.


Great, could you please show where this officers use of force isn't justified ?    BLM matter exists because white liberals realize that the plantation bubble is about to bust (see Baltimore's 50 years of liberal policy that's been a disaster)  In order to keep blacks on that plantation a bogeyman has to be created.  Blame police for black on black crime and inequality when in fact white police officers have probably saved more black lives than some atlas forum member or George Soro$ funded group has ever saved.  


I will agree on one thing,  living life as a black male in America is truly different and something you will never understand.  



Well, your diatribe that went on at length about the "liberal plantation", BLM, and somehoweven non-sequitured enough to bring up George Soros (Huh), of course didn't even TRY addressing the use of force involved.Did you know that for someone whom always claims incidents of force are overly scrutinized though the prism of racial politics, you do so yourself quit intently?

Anyhoo, the usde of force was contrary to professional standards in a myriad of ways. The same professional standards designed to keep cops safe on the street , mind you. The officer's abandoning verbal commands and resort to physical force came WAAAAYYYY too early. Again, i've watched hundreds, if ot over a thousand arrest videos, including dozens and dozens of resisting arrest cases i've PROSECUTED. Watching this one my eyes bugged out when he got physical at that point. I've NEVER seen an officer unilaterally escalate so fast. Furthermore , reacching into the car to physically remove this teacher was grossly unnecessary and aggressive .

Don't tell ME it's a tough job. I know better than anyone outside cops and their families how much that's true, and spent most of the last 18 years fighting for their backs in court. And this $hit was totally out of line by  any reasonable guideline.

but why bother? You'll go on some tear about BLM and the liberal media or something. You've repeatedly proven you are incapable of learning a thing if it means challenging a pre-conceived notion , especially regarding race .



Have you met a poster named Oldiesfreak? the two of you would get along marvelously.

(Not a compliment )
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Austin school teacher bodyslammed by police for speeding on: July 24, 2016, 01:34:58 am
For the record, MK is black, or at least claims to be black Tongue he's being saying so since he started posting in the forum I believe.

I call BS on that.

I can understand why.  Having those type of views and beliefs defies what's expected from certain races.  Tongue


No, more like anti-Obama internet trolls claiming to be black for "i'm not a racist" cred are 1000 times more common than bona fide Uncle Ruckus types like you"re claiming to be.

Beyond that, few here doubt if this teacher was white you'd probably be saying "well , THIS time the cops crossed the line."
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Austin school teacher bodyslammed by police for speeding on: July 24, 2016, 01:29:55 am
Thats perfectly justified force .

And then she was told by the policeman that it was because blacks have violent tendencies. 

No matter how justified it may seem, ^ is how the police officer justified it to himself. And that's a pretty bad excuse.


Actually they do, but its irrelevant the officer didn't need to flap his gums any further.   I will agree with you there. 

Are you agreeing tht blacks have violent tendencies? Did I read that right?
MK is the only poster on all of Atlas I have on ignore. Now you see why.
Yes, black males are more likely to resist arrest.  Its irrelevant in this situation though.  The Officer is 100% justified in the use of force application here.   He doesn't need to explain anything other than her response to each of his verbal commands and as the video shows she clearly disobeyed those.

As usual, MK, you are completely and utterly 2+2 = 5 wrong, and your ignorance is per typical stemming directly from out and out prejudice.

I've watched hundreds, if not thousands of police videos involving arrests, mostly as a prosecutor, and that cop GROSSLY overreacted. This wasn't "racial politics" leading to outrage, but horribly unrestrained police work by ANY reasonable professional standard.

The other cop's stated belief that "99% of these cases....it is the black community being violent", and that he "doesn't blame" white people for being afraid is Exhibit A for why BLM should exist. The prejudice of cops like him that black skin = "likely violent until proven otherwise". And your man-child defense of that view is pathetically typical of your racism.

Can I tell you how simply wonderful of you it is to merely blame the black community for committing rampant violence, but still willing to acknowledge that not all blacks aren't like that. How utterly sweet and Kum bye yah of you that is. Smiley

I so can't wait until you leave after the election.


Great, could you please show where this officers use of force isn't justified ?    BLM matter exists because white liberals realize that the plantation bubble is about to bust (see Baltimore's 50 years of liberal policy that's been a disaster)  In order to keep blacks on that plantation a bogeyman has to be created.  Blame police for black on black crime and inequality when in fact white police officers have probably saved more black lives than some atlas forum member or George Soro$ funded group has ever saved. 


I will agree on one thing,  living life as a black male in America is truly different and something you will never understand.   



Well, your diatribe that went on at length about the "liberal plantation", BLM, and somehoweven non-sequitured enough to bring up George Soros (Huh), of course didn't even TRY addressing the use of force involved.Did you know that for someone whom always claims incidents of force are overly scrutinized though the prism of racial politics, you do so yourself quit intently?

Anyhoo, the usde of force was contrary to professional standards in a myriad of ways. The same professional standards designed to keep cops safe on the street , mind you. The officer's abandoning verbal commands and resort to physical force came WAAAAYYYY too early. Again, i've watched hundreds, if ot over a thousand arrest videos, including dozens and dozens of resisting arrest cases i've PROSECUTED. Watching this one my eyes bugged out when he got physical at that point. I've NEVER seen an officer unilaterally escalate so fast. Furthermore , reacching into the car to physically remove this teacher was grossly unnecessary and aggressive .

Don't tell ME it's a tough job. I know better than anyone outside cops and their families how much that's true, and spent most of the last 18 years fighting for their backs in court. And this $hit was totally out of line by  any reasonable guideline.

but why bother? You'll go on some tear about BLM and the liberal media or something. You've repeatedly proven you are incapable of learning a thing if it means challenging a pre-conceived notion , especially regarding race .
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Austin school teacher bodyslammed by police for speeding on: July 24, 2016, 12:54:44 am
For the record, MK is black, or at least claims to be black Tongue he's being saying so since he started posting in the forum I believe.

I call BS on that.
20  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: ATTN MODS: one of your forum members is demanding that others commit suicide on: July 24, 2016, 12:52:45 am
Considering there are a number of posters here whose mental health has been, shall we say, fragile at times, I think a ban of some sort is called for.  At least to set an example. 

I don't think we can consider such language on the basis that the target is KNOWN by the poster to have such issues. A perfect example was Joe Republic encouraging Tweed to attempt suicide again in the midst of the whole Bacon King/Modgate scandal. As much of a creep as Tweed was being (and still usually is), it was over the line.

Short of that, we CANNOT reduce disourse on Forum to the level of whether or not an inadvertent harsh word will trigger a suicide attempt. At the risk of sounding insensitive , someone so troubled that the final straw is the words of an anonymous poster on a politics site, is likely to be lost to the world by any one of inevitable day to day mini-crisises (a parking ticket, a rude customer service rep, an unexpected late fee, etc.) that we can't stop.

Let's not convince ourselves restricting such relatively tame "screw you" level insults will actually mean the difference between life and death for anyone.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 23, 2016, 07:36:39 pm
Stewart's message was directed towards the multimillionaire elites at Fox News and the RNC, not the "working class". Roll Eyes

22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 23, 2016, 07:11:20 pm
Here's the quote in full:

Quote
You just want that person to give you your country back, because you feel you're this country's rightful owners," Stewart said. "There's only one problem with that: This country isn't yours. You don't own it. It never was. There is no real America. You don't own it. You don't own patriotism. You don't own Christianity. You sure as hell don't own respect for the bravery and sacrifice of military, police, and firefighters.

Do any of you disagree with that?






It's a big fat strawman, a favorite of the post-Bush daily show.  They need easy targets to mock or argue against as the audience cheers them on.

Most Trump supporters I've seen want to take this country off what they see as a dangerous path fueled by political correctness.  Like as Trump argued last night, letting criminals out of jail because they're illegal immigrants.  That's very different from "take this country back from the browns and give it to the whites"

"Letting criminals out of jail because they're illegal immigrants"?!?

Do explain.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who wins Washoe County, Nevada? on: July 23, 2016, 07:09:30 pm
Hillary
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Kaine help Clinton in Pennsylvania? on: July 23, 2016, 07:04:19 pm
Guys, let's dispel with this fiction that the VP selection can change election except a slight boost in the VP  candidate's home state.

In an election year in which both candidates are incredibly unpopular, the VP may prove important.

Both of these statements have good points, but I have to lean towards the former.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Staten Island on: July 23, 2016, 07:03:04 pm
Hey, if we're going to discuss irrelevant apples to oranges comparisons like Trump's primary performance, let's not forget Clinton won SI by 16 points in her re-election to the Senate in 2006.

Seriously though, probably Trump by a healthy, but not overwhelming margin.
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