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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton & Trump VP news LATEST: Trump's short list: 5 politicians & 2 generals? on: June 12, 2016, 10:21:50 am
I now believe Trump is likely to pick either Jeff Sessions or Scott Brown.  Neither would help him win over any key demographics or states, but do running mates ever really help much in those respects anyway?  Trump might just need someone who would be loyal to him, has legislative experience, and agrees with him on most issues.  I think they both fit that bill.

Very good point. I think Scott Brown would be the best.

Trump already has issues with social conservatives. disstrusting him and possibly not turning out. adding a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, general social liberal to the tticket would be toxic and probably spark a convention fight. Sessions does the exact opposite, plus has a tad more gravitas from multiple terms in the Senate compared to Brown's half-term.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll: Do you argree w/ Warren that Trump is "thin-skinned, racist bully" on: June 12, 2016, 12:19:59 am
Warren needs to answer for stealing a Harvard job from an actual Native American
It's Lie-a-watha and her Democrat friends that have the thin skin. She can dish it, but not take it. Too bad. So sad.

You are a horrible person, but we knew that.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Romney tweet on: June 12, 2016, 12:16:36 am
Sounds phony.

Don't be too sure. I'm serious.
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kasich signs medical marijuana bill. on: June 12, 2016, 12:11:12 am
Just an fyi,  i heard directly from my state representative that the reason they passed this was overwhelmingly to avoid a more expansive version , possibly outright legalization , being passed by initiative in November . as the major legalization organizations have pulled out of the state, it seems to have worked.
80  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: NHL Playoffs on: June 09, 2016, 10:31:01 pm
God damn it Murray! Angry
81  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Family Guy? on: June 09, 2016, 10:29:34 pm
Friggin Awesome. Y'all are high.
82  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Do you watch Food Network? on: June 09, 2016, 10:24:15 pm
Used to a ton. I miss Iron Chef (original and American). Used to watch Chopped, but it's so far down on my list of things I want to watch I never do anymore.
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Give a jfern style response on the preveding topic on: June 08, 2016, 02:24:25 am
OK, in light of recent developments (and new posts), this thread just got funny again. Grin
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Post Trump vs Clinton swing state county maps here! on: June 08, 2016, 02:19:46 am
I think we're looking at a Johnson-esque landslide, perhaps even greater.

I'm starting to think it might be all 50 states.

You also "thought" NC was going to be a safe D state in 2004, that Paul would lose in 2010, ALG and Conway would win in a landslide and that Trump will lose Kentucky.
Bandit: The Red Avatar JCL.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Takei Decimates Trump Campaign with Football Analogy on: June 08, 2016, 02:18:07 am
It's a clever analogy but there's a real counter example. Joe Gibbs was a champion NFL coach (3 Super Bowls) who then said he wanted to run a NASCAR team. Guess what, he's won four Sprint Cups despite spending his prior career entirely in the sport of football, not stock car racing.

When he started, did Gibbs decline to explain the details of his racing team to the participants, avoid questions about the subject, and respond to criticism with insults, bullying and racism?

Also, I don't follow racing much, but isn't there a difference between being a coach (as he was in football), with being an owner (as he was in NASCAR)? The equivalent position appears to be team manager or crew chief. (Was he his own manager / crew chief?)
This.

Muon, you're one of the best posters around, but you really, really missed the point here.
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The SteveMcQueen Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: June 08, 2016, 02:10:12 am
Our thread's namesake is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

People insult the KKK all the time but although I too am white I don't feel personally offended or threatened by it.  Neither should hispanics feel personally offended or threatened by rhetoric against illegal immigration.  Both groups are criminal subsets of the population that just happen to be dominated by a particular ethnic group.  If someone went on TV and said the KKK were a bunch of rapists and murderers I would say, yes that's right they are, not go "oh no, he said something mean about some white people, all my white friends and family members are being threatened."  If hispanics insist on taking it to mean them anyway that's their problem, not Trump's.
My God, I'm a regular here, but I clearly have a long way to go to catch up to this...

Strive hard, young paduan..... Wink
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Ben Kenobi? on: June 08, 2016, 02:06:54 am
He's been extremely annoying in the election thread tonight with his nonsensical math.
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster on: June 08, 2016, 02:06:07 am
Somewhat of an HP, but signs of improvement.
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of ExtremeRepublican on: June 08, 2016, 02:04:21 am
Forget this particular position/argument. He's one of the worst. Categorically unable to articulate any argument above the level of a North Korean propaganda poster. Even if you basically agree with his overall views, reading his posts is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

He's like 14, IIRC, so hopefully he'll grow and develop the ability to think critically.
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The refugees continue to be super nice people. on: June 08, 2016, 01:50:53 am
I made the comment the other day in a thread about a naked guy attacking a Muslim woman while yelling racist comments that his public nudity made it much more likely this was about mental illness than Islamaphobia. The same (or rather reverse) seems to apply here equally.

That is all.
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: National Enquirer hires Dick Morris as political correspondent on: June 08, 2016, 01:45:15 am
Perfect for each other.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Obama declare the Armenian genocide a genocide? on: June 08, 2016, 01:42:17 am
Doing so would be leaving a flaming bag of dogsh*t on the doorstep of the incoming president, foreign policy. "Enjoy dealing with that whole ISIS situation now that I've angered a key ally in the region!"

Morally it's the right thing to do, but it would be bad form.

Sadly, this.

What I'm asking is why Turkey pushes that POV. I understand the rest of it.

It's complicated, but to summarize Turkey's biggest problem, domestically and in foreign policy, is Kurdish separatism. Although a different people and never subject to outright genocide like the Armenians, Turkish treatment of the Kurds has been at times horrific. Admission to wholesale slaughter and long-standing oppression of an ethnic minority that now has it's own nation again can only create moral and diplomatic support for an independent Kurdistan, the nightmare of most non-Kurd Turkish politicians.

Add to that the blind nationalism that many Turks follow, as reflected by Erdogan and his party being in power, and "the base" isn't about to admit such "obviously exaggerated" wrongdoing.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama endorses Social Security expansion on: June 08, 2016, 01:28:58 am
They need to raise the age limits and get rid of the stupid ceiling and drop the percentage taken.  Is there any tax (other than maybe cig taxes) that affect the poor so much more than the rich?

Interesting proposal. I would very much be in favor of that. FICA is a very regressive tax. I still do wish ateast a portion of it, especially the employee contribution portion, should be given to the employee to invest themselves. There should be rules like no investing in individual stocks, mandated Bonds/Stocks ratios at a certain age etc. I think I could make more money just putting that in an index fund tracking the S&P 500 than I would get back as social security benefits.

The problem with that is when the bottom falls out of the market as in 08-09 and the individuals retiring at that point are screwed. They need to keep working (if physically and professionally able) until the market recovers, which could take years. That happened with many people relying on Index Funds and the like during the Great Recession; now imagine that problem accelerated to covering the ENTIRE retiring population nationwide.

When talking about a multi-generational institution, stability and conservative growth is paramount over aiming towards even moderate growth.
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama endorses Social Security expansion on: June 08, 2016, 01:22:11 am
There seems to be this assumption that "the rich" have enough income to tax away to finance just about everything that might be desirable. The dirty little secret is that folks making from 125K to 300K will have to pony up more in tax payments - substantially more - to make all these dreams come true.

The real "dirty little secret", Torie, is that individuals earning $125-$300k/year, not withstanding the absence of a chauffer or butler in their households, are rich. And un-mistakenly so.
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama endorses Social Security expansion on: June 08, 2016, 01:19:37 am
They need to raise the age limits and get rid of the stupid ceiling and drop the percentage taken.  Is there any tax (other than maybe cig taxes) that affect the poor so much more than the rich?
I wouldn't call FICA a tax, because you are (theoretically) paying premiums directly into programs that you will benefit from later.

Unadulterated horse$hit. Social Security and Medicare are fundamental bedrocks of our social safety net, not a Christmas Club deposit.

Go on and tell the people paying FICA "Oh, don't worry: It's a PREMIUM you're paying Cheesy, not a TAX Sad Doesn't losing that nearly 1/6 your paycheck (for everyone earning around $100+k/ year or less) feel better now? And isn't is nice that Donald Trump and Bill Gates pay the exact same dollar amount, let alone percentage, as you? Smiley
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Austin tries to rename elementary school: goes poorly on: June 08, 2016, 01:13:00 am
Robert E. Lee is probably the only Confederate figure I'm willing to defend. Now, had this been Stonewall Jackson or Jefferson Davis, I would've been fine with them removing the name.
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Stonewall Jackson stays too.

Your lack of patriotism for the United States of America and its fighting forces is appalling.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Grand Finale Tuesday results thread (1st polls close @8pm ET) on: June 08, 2016, 01:00:04 am
Meh. He's just ending on a high note. He'll grudgingly come around in the next week or two, and leave fights to convention speaking time, rules, platform, etc.

Maybe.....
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Grand Finale Tuesday results thread (1st polls close @8pm ET) on: June 08, 2016, 12:55:47 am
So how do the Redditors go through the mental gymnastics of supporting Trump when Bernie constantly bashes him?

Seriously!
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Dishy Funeral Articles on Sanders Are Already Coming Out. on: June 08, 2016, 12:49:59 am
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Aides say Sanders thinks that progressives who picked Clinton are cynical, power-chasing chickens — like Sen. Sherrod Brown, one of his most consistent allies in the Senate before endorsing Clinton and campaigning hard for her ahead of the Ohio primary. Sanders is so bitter about it that he’d be ready to nix Brown as an acceptable VP choice, if Clinton ever asked his advice on who’d be a good progressive champion.

If this is true, Bernie is f**king child.

If you think that's bad, read about this call between him and Harry Reid right after Indiana:

<<Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid’s call was part advice, part asking a favor, urging Sanders to use his now massive email list to help Democratic Senate candidates. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin was the most obvious prospect, and Reid wanted to make introductions to Iowa’s Patty Judge and North Carolina’s Deborah Ross—to help Democrats win the majority, but also to give Sanders allies in making himself the leader of the Senate progressives come next year.

Reid, according to people familiar with the conversation, ended the discussion thinking Sanders was on board. He backed Feingold. But that’s the last anyone heard.

Word got back to Reid’s team that Weaver had nixed the idea, ruling out backing anyone who hadn’t endorsed Sanders. Weaver says it’s because the Senate hopefuls had to get in line for Sanders’ support behind top backers like Gabbard and Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.)—though neither has a competitive race this year.

Sanders never followed up himself.>>

Sanders will forgo his list for credible underdogs in crucial swing states for the Democrats to support .....Grijalva and Gabbard??!? Who need that money how little?!?
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump ever lead in a reputable national poll after the conventions? on: June 08, 2016, 12:39:06 am
I think once he takes the lead, he will keep it till the Election Day.

Roll Eyes

$500 here and now at 2-1 odds Trump doesn't win. Put up or shut up. Either way I'm happy either getting your money or not listening you ramble incoherently from here till November. But either way, step up or step back.
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