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76  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Louis CK on: March 14, 2015, 02:40:31 am
FF on whole for standup and first couple seasons of his show, but the latter has turned unpleasantly depressing rather than dark humor the last year or two.
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: March 14, 2015, 02:20:21 am
Basketball is just insanely boring.  Beer pong is 1,000,000x better if you want to throw a ball into a "goal". 
78  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: In "Atlas Forum: The Movie" which actor would portray the previous poster? on: March 14, 2015, 02:19:44 am
Jeff Goldblum, for his role in "The Tick".

I assume you meant "The Fly"? Or are you confusing him with Patrick Warburton? Grin
79  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why won't BRTD shut up? on: March 14, 2015, 02:12:25 am
attention whore.

More believable than him being deluded enough to think people care about Ingress, emo vs. hardcore, Family Guy vs. South Park,  or whatever else his obsessions are

And yet, we wind up caring enough to post about it. Tongue
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD caught editing Wiki pages of cop victims on: March 14, 2015, 01:48:01 am
People accessing the internet at work? Horrors!

In case I wasn't clear, these edits were the work of individual NYPD employees fooling around on their work computers, not an organized Department-wide propaganda program.

There were 85 NYPD IP addresses linked to Wikipedia edits. As the article notes, only a relatively small number of edits about police incidents were made. So realistically we're talking about how many cops making these re-writes? 2-3? Maybe half a dozen? We're almost surely at least within single digits.

That's out of a total force of 50,000, who are now apparently all "scum". Nothing like painting an entire community for the misdeeds of a view. Odd that the same posters who so assiduously argue that point in other contexts see no problem ignoring the precept when it comes to cops.
81  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Schock's sexy new "personal photographer" scandal on: March 14, 2015, 01:36:23 am
I'm a blue avatar, but I'm increasingly annoyed at Schock's apparent belief--and practice--that a different set of rules apply to him than to everyone else.
82  General Discussion / History / Re: War of 1812: Win, Loss, or Draw for America? on: March 14, 2015, 01:34:04 am
Isn't a draw for the US basically a win considering it was against Great Britain?

Well, it would be if the British fought us unencumbered for the entire war, but for most of it their military and resources were primarily tied up defeating Napoleon. The American theater was a relatively trivial one in comparison. Once Nappy surrendered (the first time), the American leadership saw the writing on the wall and cut a deal for the antebellum status quo with no statement on impressment, hoping Napoleon's defeat would remove much of the British Navy's need for shanghaied manpower (they were right).
83  General Discussion / History / Re: Korean War: Win, lose, or Draw for America? on: March 14, 2015, 01:28:28 am
Partial American victory, the initial goal of beating North Korea back across the 38th Parallel was fulfilled.
84  General Discussion / History / Re: Vietnam War: Win, Lose, or Draw for America? on: March 14, 2015, 01:25:29 am
I'm assuming Deadman was one of the two tie votes, but who the hell voted "win"? And why oh why? Huh
85  General Discussion / History / Re: War of 1812: Win, Loss, or Draw for America? on: March 14, 2015, 01:23:31 am
In terms of territorial gain, it was obviously a draw. The U.S. didn't get Canada; Britain didn't get their Indian Republic in the West. Essentially, it preserved the status quo.

If we're talking about national morale, however, it was quite clearly a victory for the US. Like the Mexican War and the Spanish-American War, the real effect of the War of 1812 was to foster patriotic feeling at home. Regardless of whether they actually won, Americans thought they won, and that sense of victory fueled one of the great nationalist periods of American History. It's no coincidence that the War of 1812 was directly followed by the Era of Good Feeling.

(NOTE: I don't know a lot about how Brits/ Canadians felt about the war, so it's possible that you could call this a win/win conflict in terms of national morale.)

That's interesting, because under that definition the British/Canadians could be considered winners as well. We take great pride in the fact that we burned down the White House, for example. As I said, we are taught in school that the British/Canada won the war.

Earl, there wasn't a single Canadian involved in the burning of DC. The units were all Napoleonic War vets from England.


Even most of the Canadian Frontier theater was defended by regular English army units; Canadian militia played an important supporting role, but one that was at best a shared defensive role.

FWIW, I say the war was clearly a draw as the Treaty of Ghent returned the parties to a strictly antebellum status, though Americans could present an argument for a "moral victory". Honestly, but for the long-remembered, but strategically irrelevant, day-long raid on Washington, no one would ever realistically call this an American "defeat". Nor should they even when considering Washington.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: March 2015 At-Large Special Senate Election on: March 14, 2015, 12:58:53 am
[1] Adam Griffin
[2] Poirot
[3] Foucalf
[4] JCL

87  General Discussion / History / Re: War of 1812: Win, Loss, or Draw for America? on: March 14, 2015, 12:52:01 am
     We started a war and got our capital sacked. I know that not much changed from the status quo, but it's hard for me to call that anything other than a loss.

So? Unlike most European wars where the capture of a capital was usually the last ditch battle of the losing army, the capture of Washington was merely a raid where the British relinquished control of the city within 24 hours. Sure it was a humiliating defeat of a single battle (or rather the Battle of Bladensburg), but it meant little strategically for the overall war or the ultimate Treaty of Ghent.

Besides, does that mean America similarly raiding and burning Canada's capital (York, nka Toronto) mean Canada lost the war?

     We started a war and failed in our operational objectives, both official and unofficial. The fact that we lost the capital only serves as a reminder of how badly we did at what we had set out to do.

How can you say that? The primary American objectives were to cease British impressment on the seas, and stop their overt attempts to prevent American westward expansion by openly supporting Native nations. Both were successfully achieved (albeit the former augmented by the end of the Napoleonic Wars in Europe). Sure there was a desire to annex Canada, but it was clearly tertiary to these other achieved goals. If anything, annexation of Canada was an afterthought; the war wasn't started or fought because of a desire for Canada, but rather more of a "hey, while we're at it...." sentiment. Unlike the Mexican War, imperialistic ambitions didn't spark the war, and alone such sentiments would've never started but for impressment and open interference in frontier expansion.

And again, what did the British occupying Washington for less than 24 hours obtain them in the war or peace settlement other than a moral victory and revenge for York (Toronto)? The British had to withdraw from the entire Chesapeake peninsula within a week. Again, at most it was payback for York, but not at all indicative of having "lost" the war.
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What did/do your parents do for a living? on: March 14, 2015, 12:03:17 am
Mother: Animal rights activist.
Father: Butcher

Funny story how they met......
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why won't BRTD shut up? on: March 13, 2015, 11:44:09 pm
attention whore.
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has the Atlas Forum ruined your real life friendships? on: March 13, 2015, 11:40:44 pm
No. I can keep my forum life and real life separate. It's not that hard!


But on the other hand.....

What is this "real" life you speak of?
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: March 13, 2015, 11:37:38 pm
In context, one of the best lines of the year.

92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Dzokhar Tsarnaev and a plea deal: would the prosecutors/judge accept this? on: March 13, 2015, 11:21:05 pm
Put reasonable limits on the $ amount of his food orders, and I'd offer it to him.

even if it's exorbitant -- say $200/day -- isn't that a fraction of the cost of ongoing litigation over the course of years?

He can eat good pizza and chinese take out, but not fugu and steaks from Delmonico. Everything else you proposed was realistically restrained, why not a food budget. He'd eat far better than in prison.
93  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Discworld Author Sir Terry Pratchett Passes on: March 13, 2015, 11:11:08 pm
Truly heartbreaking. I've read nearly every book of his, and he was one of the greats. A truly kindhearted man by all accounts to boot.

Also was very adept at fencing and even forged his own sword.

No $hit? How cool! Cheesy
94  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: π day 2015 on: March 13, 2015, 11:06:36 pm
MIT is celebrating by announcing their admissions decisions at 9:26 AM. Grin
95  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Boston Citizens vs. Harvard Faculty on: March 13, 2015, 11:02:38 pm

Because yes a few bad apples dictates what the whole city of Boston was like during the 1960s. Those people failed at the ballot box (except for maybe a fluke victory by Louise Day Hicks), and for good reason.  Bostonites were very divided over the issue but they more often than not in those days fell on the right side of history.  Your strawmanning is absurd.

If you want to pull out examples from history, however, I can think of a few times in history where the Harvard Faculty would be on the way wrong side of history.  Needless to say, an academic institution that had Jew quotas as late as the 1920s has been on the wrong side of history more than a few times, probably a good deal more so than the Citizens of Boston.  You can criticize the people of Boston for not being quick and zealous in support of equal rights for non-whites, but where the hell was Harvard when the Know Nothings came into power?  Where the hell was Harvard when the state's election laws favored only the wealthy landowning elites?  Where the hell was Harvard when the Robber Barons were running the state's politics?  Where the hell was Harvard when the state police were putting down unions with impunity?

They were on the wrong side of history, of course.  And sure, a lot of this was decades ago (but so was your atrocious strawman), but I know my history enough not to trust a bunch of rich eggheads with the future of society (again, would you have preferred America where only the rich vote?  Because that is what your heroes supported in times past).

Mech, my friend, I agree with just about everything you said here. but the fact remains Boston, was more than "a few bad apples" when it came to race relations in the 60's and 70's. I'm not saying anyone opposed to busing was racist (there were practical reasons to oppose it as a misguided social experiment), but the busing crisis fanned racism among a majority of white Bostonians. The best example was the 1976 Democratic Primary. Who won Boston? Carter? Udall? Jackson?

No. George freakin' Wallace.

I am not completely denying the existence of racism in Boston.  As one of the forums Irish on the board I consider it pretty shameful and unlike the Brahmin loving revisionists in this thread I prefer a historical analysis based in objective truth over feel good elitist bullsheyit.  However, fact of the matter is that the good people in Boston did win out (remind me again who was it that lost a Boston based CD to Joe Moakley in 1972 again?).  And even with the awful racist reaction against busing, let us not act like it was an extraordinarily reaction of its time, given that something like 76% of Americans did not even approve of interracial marriages at the time.

And this is usually where I put in the obligatory mention that white working class hostility towards blacks was largely the indirect result of a society that largely came to be as the result of the elitism of the Harvard Class and other upper crust institutions that couldn't be bothered to help the immigrant "rabble".  But hey, let's completely ignore the historical roots of bigotry against "St. Patrick's Vermin" because it is inconvenient for more than a few peoples' narrative.

True Dat.
96  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: If Walker is so unpopular, why was he re-elected? on: March 13, 2015, 09:38:46 pm
He won narrowly both times in a nominally blue state during strong GOP years. He isn't popular so much as polarizing with just enough support to eek out a majority. If he'd run in 2008 he would've lost handily. Even in 2012 he probably lost re-election.
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your reaction if you went to a church and the preacher wore pre-torn jeans on: March 13, 2015, 09:00:14 pm
I'd leave. You're supposed to tear those jeans yourself. Pre-torn jeans are sacrilegious.

But in addition, I see what BRTD is saying. He means conservative fundamentalists who make sure they always attend church dressed in their best dark suits because they think it reflects on their godliness are missing the point. Who would ever be so shallow as to feel their church's identity was best reflected by its dress code? Amarite?
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Dzokhar Tsarnaev and a plea deal: would the prosecutors/judge accept this? on: March 13, 2015, 08:35:49 pm
Put reasonable limits on the $ amount of his food orders, and I'd offer it to him.
99  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Recent bans on: March 13, 2015, 08:21:44 pm
krazen is truly someone who needs Christ.

No he doesn't he just needs to learn what empathy is. 

The former doesn't hurt with the latter. Wink
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD caught editing Wiki pages of cop victims on: March 13, 2015, 07:27:53 pm
People accessing the internet at work? Horrors!
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