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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Besides Nevada, which would be the first state to legalize brothels on: April 08, 2014, 10:43:27 am
Is there currently a legitimate push to legalize or decriminalize prostitution in any state? I'd expect that prostitution would sooner be legalized in portions of Nevada which still prohibit it (e.g. Vegas) before happens in another state.
77  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Texas Megathread on: April 08, 2014, 10:39:41 am
But, the Texas Miracle..... Huh

There are limits to what cutting government waste starts turning hampering necessary infrastructure for good business development. Hopefully the state leg realizes they've taken things about as far in one direction as they can go.
78  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Pennsylvania 2014 Discussion Thread on: April 08, 2014, 10:36:20 am
The underlying issue is still well in the news as well:  http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/04/pa_lawmakers_call_for_fuller_d.html#incart_m-rpt-1

The very Democratic leaning State College Centre Daily Times, which endorsed her, and didn't cover the story for two weeks (at least on-line) came out with a blistering editorial on that and the "investigation of the investigation." 

According to Wikipedia, the major good government group, "The Committee of Seventy," has called for a special prosecutor to investigate Kane.

From it's own Wiki leak, the Committee of Seventy seems like an upright non-partisan group. But lordy that is an Orwellian sounding name.
79  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: THE NEW YORK RANGERS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! on: April 07, 2014, 11:10:00 pm
Nifty. The Pens made the playoffs last month, and clinched the division last week. Tongue
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NC election officials identify hundreds of potential voter fraud cases on: April 07, 2014, 10:39:39 pm
The cheaters already won. Their 2012 votes won't be invalidated.

They did?

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html

Unless you're claiming these cheats were primarily Romney voters. Huh

We have no way of knowing. All we do know is that these cheaters have permanently corrupted the overall vote totals.

Well, there's only several hundred individuals with matching names and SSNs that voted in multiple states. The over35k others are merely people with the same name and birthdate as someone who voted in another state. I don't believe that all of those are mere coincidences, but I suspect there are many instances of multiple (e.g.) "Mark Smith's born 1/1/60" voting in both NC and elsewhere in the other 49 states which explains the large majority of that category.

With a rough order of 10,000 people in this country who share each date of birth, it wouldn't necessarily require common names to get coincidental matches.

I agree. My point exactly.
81  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mozilla CEO forced out because of Prop 8 Donation on: April 07, 2014, 10:35:42 pm
Please, Arrogant Demand, explain it to us poor simpletons using small words. With brightly-colored pictures too if possible.

Don't affirm the consequent. It undermines your authority. 

Oh, well, if you say so then.

What this I don't even.....
82  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Charlotte mayor arrested by FBI on corruption charges on: April 07, 2014, 07:06:30 pm
No, there aren't any term-limits in the NC Assembly. He was (is) still regarded as an effective legislator, but his career in the NCGA has seen better days. He's wanted to be mayor for a while, so this seems like a good capstone for his career.

That was one of the criticisms the folks who were calling for a special election had. Officially, the council couldn't do anything to ensure the Cannon replacement wouldn't run in 2015. That said, I doubt he goes for it, and the optics would be terrible if he did.

Meh. Give him a year of good governance and most voters, plus even a majority of pols, won't mind if he goes back on his promise to be a placeholder.
83  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: controversial opinion: anyone think that the beatles on: April 07, 2014, 06:22:26 pm
The Beatles only have a couple good songs anyway, and they're all from the later albums.

So says the most blatent worshipper of hipster music scenes who is far too alternative to enjoy pop, and consequently listens to utter drek.

No I'm not exactly a fan of Ke$ha or Justin Bieber.

But seriously this is "hipster dreck"? (Last band I saw, and saw them twice, once in a suburb.)

Yes, actually, that's about the definition of hipster. I can picture a crowd full of dudes with their ironic beards (neckbeards or otherwise) and wearing knit-wool caps in August. Though not total drek at least I'll grant.

But hipster? Yeah, the fact you pointed out you once saw them "in a suburb" speaks volumes.
84  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Designated Hitter in Baseball? on: April 07, 2014, 06:17:46 pm
An abomination unto god.
85  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: controversial opinion: anyone think that the beatles on: April 07, 2014, 06:17:25 pm
Again,

I applaud BRTD for his attack on the cult of the Beatles.

It's like the Scientologists. One word of minor criticism of The Beatles and you must be purged.

It's a HUGE jump between criticizing some albums or songs (I'll readily admit that Yellow Submarine has a good title track, inspired a decent for the times animated film, and is otherwise a waste of vinyl), to claiming they only "wrote a couple good songs on their later albums". The latter is about as close to factually incorrect as any music opinion can get. The Beatles aren't even necessarily one of my favorite bands, but one would have to be blind deaf and dumb to music history to miss their artistic impact.
86  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Pennsylvania 2014 Discussion Thread on: April 07, 2014, 06:05:16 pm
So anything new on Kane's scandal, or has that died down some?
87  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: NM-PPP: Martinez popular, leads King on: April 07, 2014, 05:58:29 pm
Very unlikely King is the nominee. He's having trouble raising money and finished 5th in the state convention.

Still, surprised he's this close.

Who do you think the likely nom is?

It's always such a crapshoot in the primaries here and it's not until June. My money is on State Sen. Howie Morales.  He's young and less baggage.  There's also this Alan Webber guy, who's a big Santa Fe True Leftist type that could end up doing strong.

Nobody's going to beat Martinez, though. She's way too inoffensive.  As I've said before, she's more of a Dixiecrat than a Republican.

Republicans better hope King loses the primary, as the other candidates are well behind Martinez in this poll as expected. King is the only one keeping it tight for Democrats.
88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: NM-PPP: Martinez popular, leads King on: April 07, 2014, 05:55:01 pm
Bruce King, King's father served as gov in 1970's. So, it is possible for King to win.

Well, who can argue with that logic?
89  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mozilla CEO forced out because of Prop 8 Donation on: April 07, 2014, 05:45:07 pm

If we cannot have a conversation, it's because you cannot understand the complexity of the issue.

Please, Arrogant Demand, explain it to us poor simpletons using small words. With brightly-colored pictures too if possible.
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Charlotte mayor arrested by FBI on corruption charges on: April 07, 2014, 05:43:04 pm
Was Clodfelter term-limited? He must've planned to step down after one more term (he'll be 65 then). Otherwise I don't see why he'd give up his seat to serve less than 2 years as mayor.

OR, how long before he decides "for the good of the city" to run for a full mayoral term anyway, asks the cynic in me?
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NC election officials identify hundreds of potential voter fraud cases on: April 07, 2014, 05:34:57 pm
The cheaters already won. Their 2012 votes won't be invalidated.

They did?

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html

Unless you're claiming these cheats were primarily Romney voters. Huh

We have no way of knowing. All we do know is that these cheaters have permanently corrupted the overall vote totals.

Well, there's only several hundred individuals with matching names and SSNs that voted in multiple states. The over35k others are merely people with the same name and birthdate as someone who voted in another state. I don't believe that all of those are mere conicidences, but I suspect there are many instances of multiple (e.g.) "Mark Smith's born 1/1/60" voting in both NC and elsewhere in the other 49 states which explains the large majority of that category.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In the twilight of Poppy's life, politicians and parties wrestle with his legacy on: April 07, 2014, 05:24:37 pm
Bandit is truly among our finest posters.

Exhibit A of proving everything I typed above.
Badger, are you not a moderator? Why feed the troll?

The sad fact is, both Bandit and Snowstalker have demonstrated they actually believe this tripe.

But point taken nonetheless. Tongue
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senator Ron Johnson knew since 2011 about Assemblyman Kramer's Sexual Assault on: April 07, 2014, 05:14:19 pm
It seems like a lot of people are passing judgment on Johnson without knowing all of the facts.  If it is true that the alleged victim asked Johnson to stay quiet about the assault, then I see nothing wrong with what he did.  If he influenced her to keep quiet, I certainly would be on the opposite side of the fence, but if she independently chose to not press charges and did not want the incident gaining public attention, that's her choice, and I think Johnson should have honored that.

Until proven, an allegation is simply an allegation, and for some reason, when it comes to sexual assaults, Americans tend to throw due process out the window and vilify the accused before he has had his day in court.

Certainly if I were Johnson, I would have encouraged her to go to the police, and he may have done that; the article doesn't discuss that.

But in not going to the police upon the alleged request of the victim, I don't think Johnson did anything wrong.  On the contrary, if I were the victim and someone had taken this public against my wishes, I'd be pretty pissed.

Good know at least some people care enough to look at the details in a story such as this.

This. The reports all seem to indicate it was the victim's choice for her and her attorney to deal directly with Kramer's office rather than go to the police (until she recently heard of other similar assaults). Under those circumstances, Johnson arguably didn't do anything wrong in respecting her wishes rather than paternalistically calling the police over her objections.

The same could be said of Johnson's office not reporting the assault to Republican leaders in the WI House when Kramer ran for the #2 slot there. Doing so would've similarly violated the confidentiality his aide requested of his office.
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In the twilight of Poppy's life, politicians and parties wrestle with his legacy on: April 04, 2014, 06:01:10 pm
Bandit is truly among our finest posters.

Exhibit A of proving everything I typed above.
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In the twilight of Poppy's life, politicians and parties wrestle with his legacy on: April 04, 2014, 05:53:37 pm
Pray, explain how either of these: a) existed during the Bush 41 presidency; and b) how Bush supposedly contributed to either.

I was alive in those years, and they did exist. He made it worse, largely through his cronies that controlled local governments.

He also exacerbated the War on Drugs, which encouraged right-wing school officials to call students stoners and druggies even though they were totally clean.

I'm 5 years older than you and, hence, also was alive then. You were in high school. What "discrimination against progressives" did you or any of your classmates suffer? Student council elections rigged by the CIA?

So he at worst maintained the War on Drugs from the Reagan years. That caused people to get teenagers to get called stoners and....oooohhhh, I see. Channelling a bad personal experience from the wonder years I take it.

That's truly a shame if you were wrongly accused of being a druggie while in fact being "totally clean". But in fairness, can you blame teachers for such an easy mistake? I mean, do you listen to what you say? What else could they reasonably assume?  Huh
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The GOP class divide on: April 04, 2014, 05:45:03 pm
The author is over-complicating matters. The American electorate want death by bikeshedding. Economics is generally too complex for the average citizen so voters latch onto mundane social issues that are readily accessible. Poor Republicans vote on social issues.

Thank goodness smarties like you are around to explain hard money stuff to us mouth breathers. Smiley

Now excuse me, I need to go learn to tie my shoes and not drool when I chew.
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In the twilight of Poppy's life, politicians and parties wrestle with his legacy on: April 04, 2014, 05:41:17 pm
Not to mention the fact that the right-wing media stole the "election" for Bush in '88.

Don't change the subject, genius. We're still discussing the "worsening prosecution against progressives" and "right wing concentration camps" aka "the teen confinement racket".

Pray, explain how either of these: a) existed during the Bush 41 presidency; and b) how Bush supposedly contributed to either.
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Afghanistan/Iraq vets give Dubya higher approvals than Obama? on: April 04, 2014, 05:38:50 pm
The arrogant elitism in some of these posts by the "pro-working man" side..... Roll Eyes
99  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: In the twilight of Poppy's life, politicians and parties wrestle with his legacy on: April 04, 2014, 05:35:34 pm
What discrimination "flourished" during those years, compared to say Reagan's second or Clinton's first terms, and how did Bush 41 help engender it?

The worsening persecution against progressives.

What?!? Seriously, WHAT??

And oh Lord I need to know: WTF "right-wing concentration camps" is your fevered deliusional mind creating? Roll Eyes

The teen confinement racket.

Good point, considering juvenile detention centers didn't exist before 1989. Amarite?

Again, WTF are you trying to say through your rudimentary grasp of language? WTF are you talking about, and how does any of your "points" have jack-all to do with the first Bush presidency?

Please, enlighten us.
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio will have to recognize gay marriages, judge says on: April 04, 2014, 05:30:33 pm
Could be some trouble for Kasich as this ruling will highlight the gay marriage issue for voters.  He has to back the gay marriage ban for the base, but that position is a net vote loser.

Will he, though?  I can see him doing what Christie and Martinez did and just accept the ruling.  Kasich should have no trouble keeping his base together.

Except unlike in NJ or NM the issue isn't resolved by this ruling. It only requires recognizing other states' legal gay marriages as valid, but doesn't legalize gay marriage itself in Ohio. That issue will still (I believe) be on the ballot in November.

Also, the anti-gay marriage base in OH is stronger than in either NM or (especially) NJ.
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