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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A younger Jerry Brown... on: March 21, 2017, 03:05:15 pm
I get tired of people point out age. Somehow Jerry Brown can manage to have held jobs as mayor in Oakland and Governor of biggest state in history of the US for 16 years but is too old to be elected President?  Meanwhile the median age for a Senator is 70?

IT is another form of evaluating people based on something other than their ability to perform the task at hand. An 80 year old can be elected president and the country will be jsut fine.

Another unhealthy thing that has happened is we expect the President to run for re-election.  This dates back to even before radio, and LBJ is the only example of anyone not running for 2nd term, dating back to TR, and before him I think before the civil war.,

The Presidency has become a behemoth, not a coequal branch of government or we would not make such a big deal about these things.  Maybe it is a holdover from the idea of a monarch.

Yes a man who'd be 86 at the end of his term is too old to serve in the Presidency. Not sure what's complicated about this?
2  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Atlas's Favorite Musician/Band - Round 1C on: March 21, 2017, 01:44:37 pm
What is this, some kind of joke? Where is Grimes?

The forum is a generation of children who were raised on hormone-packed breakfast cereals, permanently depriving them of the ability to develop good taste.
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Atlas's Favorite Musician/Band - Round 1B on: March 21, 2017, 01:36:43 pm
Plebs, plebs everywhere.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The rehabilitation of George Bush on: March 07, 2017, 09:19:29 am
I've seen about ten thousand takes about how Bush is being rehabilitated in light of Trump and basically zero actually evidence that Bush is being rehabilitated in light of Trump.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Iowa? on: March 06, 2017, 06:10:03 pm
Corn is a junk crop that only exists as an industry because of scams and handouts.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Iowa? on: March 06, 2017, 01:07:30 pm
They have let us down at literally every opportunity for the last few years.

Who is "us" and what does Iowa owe to it?

The civilized world, Tony. They voted for 'Lyin'' Ted Cruz in the Republican primaries, depressing everyone not related to Ted Cruz, and then, bamboozled by his sick 'negs', elected Donald Trump President in a desperate plea for validation, thus answering forever his eternal question 'how stupid are the people of Iowa, folks?' No other state has been this disappointing this consistently.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Iowa? on: March 06, 2017, 12:44:52 pm
They have let us down at literally every opportunity for the last few years.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Primus Inter Pares - October 2000 General Election on: March 06, 2017, 09:16:02 am
What sicko came up with an alternate reality where John Prescott was prime minister? My God.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Tom Perriello to run for Va. governor: report on: March 04, 2017, 09:33:27 am
I mean I'm obviously supporting Fightin Tom (normal AAD) but a guy voting Republican when he was a generic upper middle class voter rather than an active politician seems like a dubious attack tbh.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Trump claims Obama wire tapped Trump Tower. on: March 04, 2017, 08:54:17 am
Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why do so many here greatly overestimate the power of DNC Chairman? on: February 25, 2017, 07:58:18 pm
This is not about the DNC Chair. It's never been about the DNC Chair.

What?  That is literally the only thing this is about...well...that and the fact that some folks are having a temper-tantrum because Teh EVILstablishmentz is mean Cry Cry  Apparently being a "progressive" these days means believing Donald Trump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Perez Roll Eyes

Symbols matter in politics. Denying that means being utterly deluded. If the hacks that control the Democratic party aren't even willing to make a concession on this, that means they have decided they're going keep f**king over the base in every way possible for the years to come. They haven't learned a thing from 2016. That's the problem.

Explain how because they've actually been pretty fervent in opposing Trump so far.

Posturing about T***p isn't what will make Democrats win in 2020. To do that, they'll need to actually show that they understand the angers and care about the needs of the growing majority of Americans who get nothing out of the current economic system. They seem completely uninterested in that because it's more convenient to be the part of the upper middle-class who don't like T***p because he's uncool or something.

And the DNC Chair has nothing to do with any of that! It's basically a position that simply organizes fundraisers and does quick interviews on news shows.

Dean's 50-State strategy allowed Democrats to win supermajorities in 2008. DWS' disaster of a leadership contributed to record losses at every every level. Clearly it matters at least a bit.

But again, the main point isn't the DNC chair itself, it's the SIGNAL it gives. Why nobody seems to understand that?

The premise of HOWARD DEAN as an electoral genius is blatant nonsense and one of the most annoying Atlas myths. Democrats won all manner of seats in 2006 (and '08) because the incumbent administration was as popular as ebola among the electorate, not because Howard Dean had people hold signs at a farm in Idaho or whatever. In comparison, I have a hunch it was not legendary strategist Michael Steele's inspired leadership that lead to sweeping GOP gains in 2010.

I would make an exception for the simple fact that you need to recruit candidates in tough seats in the first place to allow for circumstances to provide such a wave but both Perez and Ellison campaigned on doing exactly that, so...

If you want to hyperventilate over semiotics that's your own business. Unhealthy and probably unhelpful, though.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why do so many here greatly overestimate the power of DNC Chairman? on: February 25, 2017, 07:46:03 pm
I'm confused as to how the 2016 election involved Democrats "screwing over the base" or whatever as a premise.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair? on: February 25, 2017, 06:51:45 pm
ridiculous and frankly a bit infantile.

Are you new to left wing politics?
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: TOM PEREZ WINS, makes Ellison deputy chair on: February 25, 2017, 06:49:03 pm
Lots of chairs being thrown ITT
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Kalwejt Foundation for the Promotion of Atlas Hilarity on: February 22, 2017, 11:29:36 am
As the President himself once rhetorically asked, 'how stupid are the people of Iowa, folks?'. The answer is 'very'.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump administration cooked the books on: February 18, 2017, 09:28:12 am
This isn't remotely surprising.

Easy, just have the CPI be even more cooked than it already is. Inflation is around 10% these days by old methodology, but the government decided it wanted much lower.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42551209

lmao
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: February 2017 Federal Election on: February 17, 2017, 06:29:31 pm
President:

dfwlibertylover and whoever his VP candidate is

House:

Potus
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of each generation on: February 17, 2017, 04:14:38 pm
1901-1924: Mega FFs
1925-1945: FFs
1946-1964: Mild FFs
1965-1976: Mild HPs
1977-1995: HPs
1996+: Mega HPs
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Perez campaign claims to have 180 of 224 votes to win on: February 14, 2017, 05:47:36 pm
x-posting: Turning a contest between two fairly mainstream liberal progressives into some kind of proxy war still seems like one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walter Mondale 2020 on: February 11, 2017, 07:51:47 pm
He died in 2015.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How much does age matter? on: February 07, 2017, 02:25:55 am
Obviously Sanders and Biden are far too old. Trump is a borderline case but clearly is in the early stages of dementia.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: February 04, 2017, 04:58:59 pm
1. There's quite literally no Brexit plan whatsoever except selling some guns to Turkey and bringing back the royal yacht. The white paper is terrifying reading. It's like a bunch of self-help business book affirmations.
2. There's been zero effort to address the Irish border issue, which is fundamentally unreconcilable and the outcome of which - a return to a hard border - will be in violation of our constitution and cause irreparable harm to Northern Ireland both economically and politically, including quite possibly the return of violence.
3. I must correct myself - there is a Brexit plan. It's to leave the single market and tank the economy because tabloid newspapers have scary headlines about immigration numbers. Hang on, you interrupt, didn't political titan Dan Hannan say that there was never any intention to quit the single ma--hah, never mind.

*extremely cuck voice* well people voted 52-48 on membership in a vague conception of what the EU is because they were angry at the Polish so...

I appreciate that I am the reason Trump Won but ironically enough the position of MPs here is basically that of Paul Ryan - political cowardice leading smoothly to utter capitulation in the face of incipient disaster caused by nationalist psychic trauma.



e: Official British government policy on the Border Question at the moment is "a solution will be found, we will not return to the borders of the past!". Reassuring stuff.
23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: February 04, 2017, 03:16:20 pm
When they (almost!) all know full well it's a decision made on an undefined issue after an ill-informed and misargued campaign that's going to have profoundly damaging implications for the country? I think so. Blindly following the emotional spasm of public opinion on the EU because of a legally meaningless referendum is a dereliction of duty on behalf of MPs.

Even if you believe that the plebiscite result should mean all MPs vote in favour of triggering Article 50, surely, surely there can be no justification for doing so now. There's. No. Plan. I mean, Christ, have you seen the white paper? It's Trump-level handwaving nonsense. What a nightmare.
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: February 04, 2017, 05:40:58 am
If this is a terrible #hottake by all means call me out on it but...

Oakvale, you know this stuff is pure political calculation, right?  Labour and the Tories are only following through on this stuff so that the UK doesn't end up with their equivalent of FN ripping them at the seams.

Was it wise of the party in opposition to tag along with this?  Maybe not.  Because if and when Brexit ends up being a total disaster, both parties will get to share in the blame (Tories more than Labour, obviously) and the only people who will be able to claim the moral high ground are the Lib Dems.  My guess is that the Lib Dems are so detached from relevancy at this point for that to matter now, though.

Of course it's political calculation - as I said, the overwhelming majority of Labour MPs and, I'd bet, the majority of Conservative MPs don't for a second buy into the Brexiteer fantasies. It's exceedingly unlikely the prime minister does, either. That's what's so appalling - nearly the entirety of the political spectrum are shrugging and - in some cases - openly admitting that they're well aware of the consequences, and then jumping off the cliff anyway.

And the sad thing is that it's not even good political calculus -- the large majority of Labour voters voted Remain and I'd bet 350 million quid a week that the overwhelming majority of Corbyn cultists did, too. Now, sure, sure, the bill would pass even if Labour voted unanimously against but someone needs to be to standing athwart history yelling stop here and it's a fairly damning indictment of the official 'opposition' that it was Ken Clarke.

25  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: February 04, 2017, 04:23:30 am
You know I'm about as pro-EU as a left-winger could possibly be these days, but all those Labour MPs voting against article 50 are pathetic.



You know I'm about as pro-EU as a left-winger could possibly be these days, but all those Labour MPs voting against article 50 are pathetic.

They happen to be the only honest Labour MPs.

TIL the role of an MP is to rule her constituents, not to put their desires into practice in the best-intentioned and most expedient way possible or any ~populist~ nonsense like that. How Burkean of you!



You know I'm about as pro-EU as a left-winger could possibly be these days, but all those Labour MPs voting against article 50 are pathetic.

They happen to be the only honest Labour MPs.

Yes. Certainly there are some Tories who are deluded enough to believe Brexit won't be a disaster but the number of Labour MPs who believe such can be counted on one hand. Any Labour MP who voted for this is a disgrace.

The notion that because the confederacy of dunces narrowly voted for "Brexit" (whatever that means?) to un-straighten bananas and kick the wogs out the official opposition should slavishly march toward devastation is bizarre to me. A political party isn't under an obligation to Respect The Will Of The People or whatever inane bollocks Jez was using to justify this trainwreck, when the People make an obviously wrong decision with obviously destructive implications. (It's also ignoring the fairly sizeable chunk of said People who voted against establishing Little Englandism as official government policy but they've apparently ceased to exist in the discourse over the last few months).

My favourite 'highlight' was the perpetually useless Margaret Beckett standing up and saying that she would vote for the bill despite fearing it would be 'disastrous' for Britain. Knowingly voting for disastrous outcomes is becoming a habit - she nominated her party's current shameful carcass of a leader against her better judgement on some similarly vague grounds of Ensuring A Debate. Hopefully she'll learn some day.

Watching this unfold has been like watching the whole world going insane. Because everyone knows it's nuts, but they're shrugging en masse and going along with it because a little over half of the voters in an ill-conceived non-binding plebiscite said they thought the EU was bad.
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