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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum IRC Channel, Thread 2 on: November 25, 2014, 04:33:47 pm
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Dixie Reborn on: November 25, 2014, 07:50:42 am
Is it British Dixie or some other sock?
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Francois Hollande on: November 25, 2014, 07:22:32 am
I actually don't know if I could describe him as a "Horrible Person" per se.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of MW Governor LeBron FitzGerald (Last Day to Vote!) on: November 25, 2014, 03:39:31 am
Should oakvale be recalled for managing a political party, constantly engaging in partisan discussions and consistently offering judicial opinion all under the guise of "I'm not acting in my official capacity as SC Justice right now"?

I'm not particularly invested, personally, in the fate of the Midwest gubernatorial office, but...

I'm not at all clear on whether the Supreme Court can issue judgements on a regional constitution, particularly when the Midwest has its own judiciary, but please offer a single other instance in which I've offered any form of judicial opinion, let alone "consistently" done so.

As for the former point I'd again ask what I asked DemPGH when he made his flimsy case for recusal in Averroes v. TNF - point out a single decision I have participated in that was in any way influenced by my partisan politics. I'll again note that quite literally all the decisions I've authored have been unanimous judgements.

When Nix granted me the honour of an appointment to the Supreme Court, I made him one promise - that I wouldn't let him down. I would hope that he continues to believe he made the right decision. The role of Supreme Court Justice is something I take very seriously, and I'm not fond of the insinuation that I use that exalted position for partisan gain.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement tonight) on: November 25, 2014, 02:56:16 am

6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does the Midwest deserve Governor FitzGerald? on: November 25, 2014, 02:54:50 am
I tend to agree with Governor Sawx but I'd like to just be clear when I say that my opinion was just that and shouldn't be considered either an opinion of the Court - which we can't and won't issue without a case - or any kind of formal opinion as a Justice - it's always possible that if this were ever to come before the Court my considered opinion would lean the other way entirely. I'm just speaking as an interested citizen who enjoys legal investigation.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does the Midwest deserve Governor FitzGerald? on: November 25, 2014, 02:28:07 am
Just hold the vote how they want you to hold it, Governor. From lowly regional representatives to the Supreme Court, they're obviously just going to keep this up until they get the result they want.

I don't have any power to tell the Governor how he conducts the vote barring a lawsuit - and even then I'd be but one vote of three. I just think it would be a bad idea and, quite likely, a waste of time.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does the Midwest deserve Governor FitzGerald? on: November 25, 2014, 01:46:16 am
I love how you accuse me of bad grammar, yet you failed to even notice the two "voting" words in a row. Our Constitution only has one "voting" just so you know.

Listen, as well as being the governor of our region, I'm also the chief election officer that "oversees all elections" according to our Constitution. Our Constitution has several interpretations, and the way I and others view it is the replacement vote takes place in the case the recall is successful. Adam's post sums it up the best:

I've been a part of many a recall in my day - and witnessed plenty of others - and it's always been a scenario of

a) circulate petition; if threshold is reached, a recall vote occurs
b) a vote to recall is held; if threshold is reached, an election occurs,
c) people eligible to run for office compete in separate election

This combined recall/election concept makes zero sense. Clearly, a petition was circulated that has triggered a recall vote. Said vote will be held in a few days, and if 60% of people vote to recall, then there will be an additional vote with all of the declared candidates vying for the office.

"Along" in this case can also mean "in addition to", which can imply two separate votes.

I'm not overly familiar with the regional constitution, but in context it actually seems fairly clear to me that this is not a viable interpretation.

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The Recall Amendment


a) A number residents equal to 35% of the turnout in the most recent regularly-scheduled Midwestern election may propose a recall of any Midwest elected or appointed official.


b) Recall votes shall begin ten days after of their accumulating the necessary support and shall begin between midnight Central Time Thursday and 0001 Central Time on the first Friday thereafter, and shall conclude exactly 120 hours after beginning.


c) Along with voting for the recall of said official, they will also be voting for their replacement.

d) if 3/5ths of voters vote to Recall, then the relevant official shall be removed from office immediately and replaced with whomever the people voted as the replacement.

e) a Recall must have necessary support within 7 days of its proposal or it will be invalid.

Clause D requires that, providing 60% of the voters vote to Recall the incumbent, the [Governor] shall be removed from office immediately and replaced with whomever the people vote as the replacement. This clearly suggests that the recall and 'recall election' vote are to be held on the same date, and on the same ballot. To suggest otherwise would be to assume that hidden between the text there is invisible language that would cause the sentence to read "removed from office immediately... and a week later replaced...".

The more important point here is that there's absolutely no reason to assume that there is any grounds for votes separated by either time or location. If there was the tenuous distinction between the Recall Question and the Recall Election, that should be apparent to a reasonable interpreter of your constitution. But no distinction whatsoever is made. The recall vote - which you apparently take to mean the Recall Question, takes place in circumstances specified in detail. There is not a single reference to a separate election, let alone any detail on the timing.

To hold a second recall vote you would be inventing constitutional provisions out of thin air, solely based on... a particular (flimsy) interpretation of the word "along with"?

I thank my old friend Dallasfan for this example -

1. I go to a bar.
2. I leave a few hours later.
3. The next week, Dallasfan goes to the same bar.

Did I go "along" with Dallasfan?

The attempt to hold a second ballot based on this kind of logic is ill-advised. Clause C is clearly referencing the preceding clause (B) when stating "[a]long with voting [...] they", with "they" obviously referring to the electorate in the only election allowed for by any sensible interpretation of the Midwest's constitution - that detailed in clause B.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement tonight) on: November 24, 2014, 10:19:56 pm
The elitist continues to disappoint. The silver lining is that this may well be the beginning of the end of Democratic control of the black vote. Only a socialist front can fight against systemic racism and win.

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10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: UPDATE-OPOLY: Game I on: November 23, 2014, 07:02:08 pm
I will buy my old workplace at ONG, please, Joe.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: UPDATE-OPOLY: Game I on: November 23, 2014, 04:45:23 pm
This seems like a good investment. I know I am not perfect, but I am not a horrible investor like you all seem to think, either. I will pay $100 of my parent's money for this deal of a lifetime. Buy this property.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RIP Mayor Marion Barry on: November 23, 2014, 02:51:22 pm
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: UPDATE-OPOLY: Game I on: November 22, 2014, 09:06:00 pm
Jesus, BushOAK is getting killed. I'm clearly the most realistic player.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum IRC Channel, Thread 2 on: November 22, 2014, 05:02:10 pm
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who are the ten best Senators in America? on: November 22, 2014, 02:12:32 pm
Ron Wyden
Michael Bennet
Mark Udall (RIP, FF)
Harry Reid
Jeff Merkley
Patrick Leahy
Al Franken
Cory Booker
Tom Coburn (RIP, HP)
Claire McCaskill (heroic Clinton foe)


16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Cosby on: November 22, 2014, 01:25:26 pm
"He said, she said" is quite different from "he said, she said and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she" etc. HP.
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Flash button on: November 22, 2014, 01:20:29 pm
Jesus. It's for embedding Flash links.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: UPDATE-OPOLY: Game I on: November 22, 2014, 12:33:47 pm
Joe, I believe I will pay $50 of my parents' money in order to wake up before 2100 hours.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: 2014 Selfie Creepfest/Post a picture of yourself thread on: November 21, 2014, 08:59:13 pm
Uncanny valley vibes.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific Confirmation Hearing: Ebowed for Justice on: November 21, 2014, 12:29:40 am
In that case my esteemed former colleague has my full and enthusiastic support.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: FiveThirtyEight: Webb would make a good anti-Clinton on: November 20, 2014, 02:09:59 pm
Endorsed.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific Confirmation Hearing: Ebowed for Justice on: November 20, 2014, 12:31:14 am
Has Ebowed actually accepted this nomination?
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is the Democratic Party left-wing? on: November 19, 2014, 09:35:12 pm
HAHA NO!
5 years ago they were slightly right of centre. Now, they are at least centre right and awfully close to far right.

Even socially it's a very authoritarian party despite the large number of Internet leftists trying to convince us otherwisr. I laugh when people say that socialism is no longer a dirty word in this country. The internet just makes socialist southerners realize that there's others like them - doesn't make them significant.




...far right? Really? You can do better.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Blair on: November 19, 2014, 09:16:19 pm
Obvious FF. Prevented thousands upon thousands of deaths in Sierra Leone, Kosovo and, yes, in Iraq, and led one of the better governments in British history, white elephant architectural projects aside. The attempts to reduce him to a Bush puppet or whatever are as silly today as they would have been in 1999, when Bush was idling away the months half-governing Texas and Blair was publicly equating Saddam Hussein and Milosevic.

A little closer to home is the fairly undeniable fact that Blair, due to sheer tenacity and an impressive ability to toe a line between negotiating with republicans and not overtly outraging (most of) the unionists, deserves a huge share of the credit for the Good Friday Agreement.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you know of any Atlas Forum users who have passed away? on: November 19, 2014, 03:23:05 am
Creepy, ghoulish thread. Should not be.
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