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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of darthebearnc on: August 30, 2015, 10:28:29 am
100% great guy. I hope you won't let the negativity in this thread bother you darthebearnc, because you have unpopular views and many people here are very cruel.

? I have no idea of his 'views'. I voted HP because of that thread about people being mean to Walter Mondale or whatever, personally.

2  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st Parliament of South America on: August 30, 2015, 07:17:44 am
Mr. Speaker,

After further consideration of points raised by my honourable friends and members of the opposition, I offer the following amendment -


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The Constitution of South America Act

Preamble:

To build a lasting foundation for this new state, a limited Constitution is deemed necessary.

I: The State

1. The name of the state is South America, a federal republic consisting of the nations of Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Guyana, Suriname. The state does not lay claim to the territories of Las Malvinas (or the Falkland Islands) or to French Guiana.

2. All citizens of the constituent nations will be citizens of South America. The specifics of citizenship and nationality will be determined by law.

3. Dual citizenship is permitted, but, to ensure a strong and independent state, the President, the Prime Minister, any minister with responsibility for foreign affairs, and any diplomat must not hold office in another nation.

II: The Government

1. (a) The President shall serve as the ceremonial Head of State of South America, representing the nation at the highest level. He shall be tasked with the appointment of a Member of Parliament as a Prime Minister to serve as Head of Government of South America.

(b) In order to be appointed, a potential Prime Minister must demonstrate to the President's satisfaction that he can command the confidence of Parliament.

(c) The President will appoint the Cabinet, consisting of government ministers, who must be Members of Parliament, on the advice of the Prime Minister.

(d) If the office of President falls vacant, the Speaker of Parliament shall temporarily discharge the duties of the office.

(e) The Cabinet must include at a minimum ministers with responsibility for financial, foreign relations and legal/law enforcement matters.

(f) The Prime Minister will meet regularly with the President to inform him of the progress of the government and the affairs of the nation.

(g) The Prime Minister shall hold office indefinitely until a successor is formally appointed, including upon his resignation or the dissolution of Parliament. In addition the entire incumbent government will hold office until a new government takes office.

2. All citizens of South America, without restriction, may serve as President, unless they are found guilty of treason against the state or hold office in a foreign nation.

3. (a) In the week preceding the conclusion of the incumbent President's term, the Parliament must elect a new President with a two-thirds majority of all sitting MPs.

(b) Should the President's term end without the election of his or her successor, the Speaker of Parliament shall preside over a special session of Parliament lasting no longer than one week to elect a new President.

(c) If the special session fails to elect a President, Parliament shall be dissolved by the acting President and elections held.

(d) Should the office of President fall vacant before the conclusion of a President's term, the procedure described in sections (b) and (c) shall be used.

(e) The first President, succeeding the interim President, will be nominated one week from the passage of this act.

4. The President will serve a term of three months from the date of his election.

5. A President may not serve more than one consecutive term.

6. Laws passed by Parliament will be considered effective immediately upon their passage - they are not subject to the signature of the President.

III: The Parliament and Elections

1. (a) Parliament is the sovereign legislative body of the state and is responsible to the people, and shall regularly be dissolved to allow its constituents to vote on its composition.

(b) Parliament may not sit for a period lasting longer than ten (10) weeks.

(c) Clause (b) may be suspended in times of war, both external and civil, if no more than one-third of Parliament opposes a motion to recognize such an event.

2. Parliament shall be dissolved by the President and a general election held upon:

(a) The passage of a motion of no confidence in the government, unless the President is convinced that an alternative government can be formed that can command the confidence of the house, in which case he may refuse a dissolution and appoint a new Prime Minister.

(b) The advice of the Prime Minister.

(c) The expiration of its mandate as described in 1 (b).

3. All citizens of South America, without restriction, may serve as Members of Parliament, unless they are found guilty by the courts of treason against the state.

4. (a) The method of nationwide closed-list proportional representation will be used to elect Members of Parliament.

(b) (i) Twenty-one (21) Members of Parliament will be elected representing a national constituency.

(ii) All lists must be submitted by a leader of a political party or by an independent citizen to the Registrar General. Edits to the list are possible, but only by the list's original submitter.

(iii) Election of MPs from the national constituency will follow highest averages by the D'Hondt method, such that a list will first have its votes divided by the number of seats won by constituency candidate affiliated with the list, and then divided by one more than the previous for every seat won through proportional representation.

(iv) Should a list be allocated a seat but lacks an additional candidate to fill it, that allocation will be nullified and offered instead to the list next in line according to the electoral method.

(v) The precise date of an election will be determined by the Registrar General on advice of the Prime Minister. There must be a period of at least five full days, or one hundred and twenty (120) hours, between the dissolution of Parliament and the beginning of the election.

(c) The Registrar General is responsible for the enforcement of Sections 1-3, and will post an official election thread shortly in advance of the election date advised by the Prime Minister.

(d) Elections shall last precisely forty-eight (48) hours from the moment indicated by the Registrar General in the official election thread described in  section 4. (c). Votes that are cast outside of this period shall be disqualified.

(d) To be eligible to vote in an election, citizens must , at least one week in advance of the start of the election, 'sign in' in the indicated thread posted by the Registrar General. In order to vote it is only necessary for citizens to 'sign in' once throughout their time in South America.

(e) Citizens who have 'signed in' before the date of implementation of this Constitution are hereby recognised as having done so and will not be required to repeat the process.

5. Parliament will elect, by majority vote, a Speaker tasked with maintaining order and managing the business of the house. The Speaker must be a Member of Parliament.

IV: The Game Moderator and Registrar General

1. Parliament will appoint, by a two-thirds vote, a Game Moderator upon the resignation of the incumbent or his impeachment by a two-thirds vote. The Game Moderator will be responsible for providing information to the Cabinet and designing events for the government to react to.

2. Parliament will appoint, by two-thirds vote, a Registrar General upon the upon the resignation of the incumbent or his impeachment by a two-thirds vote. The Registrar General will be responsible for the administration of elections and the maintenance of the citizenship register through the aforementioned 'Sign-In' thread.

3. The Game Moderator and Registrar General must both be citizens in good standing of South America.

4. The Game Moderator may not be a Member of Parliament or of any political party. No such restriction will exist on the position of Registrar General.

V: The Judiciary

1. Parliament will appoint, by a majority vote, a State Justice of South America who will serve as the highest judiciary authority in the nation. He will be charged with passing judgement on criminal and civil matters and will serve a six-month term, renewable indefinitely, or until his resignation, upon which a replacement will be appointed by Parliament.

2. The first State Justice shall be nominated one week from the passage of this Act.

3. The body of criminal and civil law and the corresponding penalties for violation will be determined by the Government.

4. Bringing charges against South American citizens for crimes against the state will be the sole responsibility of the designated minister for law enforcement and legal matters.

V: Amendments to this Constitution

1. This Constitution may be amended at any time by two-thirds vote of the Parliament.

VII: Implementation

1. This Act will come into effect as the Constitution of South America upon its passage by two-thirds vote of Parliament.

3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Determining regulations of Constitutional Convention. (Debating) on: August 29, 2015, 11:18:11 am
It's abundantly clear that this, the worst Senate in Atlasian history, should not have a hand in choosing the delegates to such an important convention. It is also astounding that people are arguing that political parties should be excluded from the process because of their ideology - RIP democracy.
I know why you think this is the worst senate beacuse a its a conservative senate, b they won't dissolve Atlasia and come over to the great Mock Parliament.

I'm a proud member of the Conservative Party in South America, have been a rather conservative Supreme Court judge here, and more often than not voted with the right while in the Senate. Don't be silly.

I also don't want Atlasia to dissolve - I think it'd be terrific for all of us to establish diplomacy between the two nations - but I just think you need to realise the scale of the problem here.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Determining regulations of Constitutional Convention. (Debating) on: August 29, 2015, 10:18:20 am
It's abundantly clear that this, the worst Senate in Atlasian history, should not have a hand in choosing the delegates to such an important convention. It is also astounding that people are arguing that political parties should be excluded from the process because of their ideology - RIP democracy.
5  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st Parliament of South America on: August 29, 2015, 09:53:09 am
Constitutions should be malleable, so I oppose any text that proposes hard and strict vote totals above a simple majority to change them. We shouldn't enslave future generations to the prejudices of the moment. That's a big part of why Atlasia was and is garbage.

A two-thirds majority isn't really a particularly steep hill to climb - with 11 seats required for a majority, a government with a bare majority would only need to win over three members of the opposition to pass an amendment.
6  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Conservative Party on: August 29, 2015, 09:31:38 am
I second the Chair's motion.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on: August 28, 2015, 08:05:00 pm
FF/HP (normal blah blah blah)
8  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st Parliament of South America on: August 28, 2015, 07:48:14 pm
Mr. Speaker,

After consulting with my colleagues and members from across the floor, I would be open to accepting the leader of the Pioneers' amendment were he to offer to remove the referendum requirement - popular vote is no way to deal with issues in a parliamentary system.
9  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st Parliament of South America on: August 28, 2015, 02:34:25 pm
Mr. Speaker,

I should note that the issue raised by the honourable member in reference to binding future parliaments (with regards to the majority for passage vs. two-thirds for further amendments) was one I considered during the drafting, and in fact my initial proposal required a two-thirds majority for initial passage. I also considered a public referendum. I ultimately rejected this for practical reasons - we need a 'bare bones' Constitution sooner rather than later, and this government received a very strong mandate, in fact barely short of two thirds to establish the structures of the nation.

I would add that under no circumstances should any legislation other than the Constitution, which is and must be considered a special case, should require such a majority to amend.

I also disagree entirely with the argument made by the leader of the Worker's Party.
10  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Department of Justice on: August 28, 2015, 12:31:23 pm

Department of Justice - Constitution Act introduced


I have today for the government introduced an act establishing a Constitution of South America. As I said in the house, I welcome any and all suggestions and contributions from all members, and indeed from the public.

With the rules of order established and, hopefully, this Constitution passed, this government will then be free, with the structures formally established, to allow the Prime Minister to seek the confidence of Parliament.

X Oakvale, MP
Minister for Justice

Mr. Speaker,

In my role as Minister for Justice, I have today introduced the Constitution of South America Act on behalf of the government, outlining and codifying the structures of this nation. It builds upon and clarifies the work done by the Provisional Parliament, and, after consultation with the rest of the Cabinet, I welcome any input from those members on the opposition benches and indeed those in government who are outside of Cabinet.

We have authored this act not as a fait accompli, but as a necessary and limited foundation upon which to build - it is not a list of The Rights Of Man or specific policies, but a necessary and functional document aimed at outlining the fundamental structures in which we operate and to address the concerns raised during the election period.

Upon passage of the Constitution, and with the first 'establishing act', namely the election of your good self and the passage of the rules of order, the Prime Minister will address the house and formally seek the confidence of Parliament in the government's policy agenda.

To paraphrase an old poem, two roads diverged in a yellow wood - one led to a healthy and vibrant democracy, full of life and with thriving debate. Another led to Atlasia. Mr. Speaker, let us take the road less travelled.
11  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st Parliament of South America on: August 28, 2015, 12:28:34 pm
Mr. Speaker,

In my role as Minister for Justice, I have today introduced the Constitution of South America Act on behalf of the government, outlining and codifying the structures of this nation. It builds upon and clarifies the work done by the Provisional Parliament, and, after consultation with the rest of the Cabinet, I welcome any input from those members on the opposition benches and indeed those in government who are outside of Cabinet.

We have authored this act not as a fait accompli, but as a necessary and limited foundation upon which to build - it is not a list of The Rights Of Man or specific policies, but a necessary and functional document aimed at outlining the fundamental structures in which we operate and to address the concerns raised during the election period.

Upon passage of the Constitution, and with the first 'establishing act', namely the election of your good self and the passage of the rules of order, the Prime Minister will address the house and formally seek the confidence of Parliament in the government's policy agenda.

To paraphrase an old poem, two roads diverged in a yellow wood - one led to a healthy and vibrant democracy, full of life and with thriving debate. Another led to Atlasia. Mr. Speaker, let us take the road less travelled.
12  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Government Bills Introduction Thread on: August 28, 2015, 12:23:42 pm
The Constitution of South America Act

Preamble:

To build a lasting foundation for this new state, a limited Constitution is deemed necessary.

I: The State

1. The name of the state is South America, a federal republic consisting of the nations of Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Guyana, Suriname. The state does not lay claim to the territories of Las Malvinas (or the Falkland Islands) or to French Guiana.

2. All citizens of the constituent nations will be citizens of South America. The specifics of citizenship and nationality will be determined by law.

3. Dual citizenship is permitted, but, to ensure a strong and independent state, the President, the Prime Minister, any minister with responsibility for foreign affairs, and any diplomat must not hold office in another nation.

II: The Government

1. (a) The President shall serve as the ceremonial Head of State of South America, representing the nation at the highest level. He shall be tasked with the appointment of a Member of Parliament as a Prime Minister to serve as Head of Government of South America.

(b) In order to be appointed, a potential Prime Minister must demonstrate to the President's satisfaction that he can command the confidence of Parliament.

(c) The President will appoint the Cabinet, consisting of government ministers, who must be Members of Parliament, on the advice of the Prime Minister.

(d) If the office of President falls vacant, the Speaker of Parliament shall temporarily discharge the duties of the office.

(e) The Cabinet must include at a minimum ministers with responsibility for financial, foreign relations and legal/law enforcement matters.

(f) The Prime Minister will meet regularly with the President to inform him of the progress of the government and the affairs of the nation.

(g) The Prime Minister shall hold office indefinitely until a successor is formally appointed, including upon his resignation or the dissolution of Parliament. In addition the entire incumbent government will hold office until a new government takes office.

2. All citizens of South America, without restriction, may serve as President, unless they are found guilty of treason against the state or hold office in a foreign nation.

3. (a) In the week preceding the conclusion of the incumbent President's term, the Parliament must elect a new President with a two-thirds majority of all sitting MPs.

(b) Should the President's term end without the election of his or her successor, the Speaker of Parliament shall preside over a special session of Parliament lasting no longer than one week to elect a new President.

(c) If the special session fails to elect a President, Parliament shall be dissolved by the acting President and elections held.

(d) Should the office of President fall vacant before the conclusion of a President's term, the procedure described in sections (b) and (c) shall be used.

(e) The first President, succeeding the interim President, will be nominated one week from the passage of this act.

4. The President will serve a term of three months from the date of his election.

5. A President may not serve more than one consecutive term.

6. Laws passed by Parliament will be considered effective immediately upon their passage - they are not subject to the signature of the President.

III: The Parliament and Elections

1. (a) Parliament is the sovereign legislative body of the state and is responsible to the people, and shall regularly be dissolved to allow its constituents to vote on its composition.

(b) Parliament may not sit for a period lasting longer than ten (10) weeks.

(c) Clause (b) may be suspended in times of war, both external and civil, if no more than one-third of Parliament opposes a motion to recognize such an event.

2. Parliament shall be dissolved by the President and a general election held upon:

(a) The passage of a motion of no confidence in the government, unless the President is convinced that an alternative government can be formed that can command the confidence of the house, in which case he may refuse a dissolution and appoint a new Prime Minister.

(b) The advice of the Prime Minister.

(c) The expiration of its mandate as described in 1 (b).

3. All citizens of South America, without restriction, may serve as Members of Parliament, unless they are found guilty by the courts of treason against the state.

4. (a) The method of nationwide closed-list proportional representation will be used to elect Members of Parliament.

(b) (i) Twenty-one (21) Members of Parliament will be elected representing a national constituency.

(ii) All lists must be submitted by a leader of a political party or by an independent citizen to the Registrar General. Edits to the list are possible, but only by the list's original submitter.

(iii) Election of MPs from the national constituency will follow highest averages by the D'Hondt method, such that a list will first have its votes divided by the number of seats won by constituency candidate affiliated with the list, and then divided by one more than the previous for every seat won through proportional representation.

(iv) Should a list be allocated a seat but lacks an additional candidate to fill it, that allocation will be nullified and offered instead to the list next in line according to the electoral method.

(v) The precise date of an election will be determined by the Registrar General on advice of the Prime Minister. There must be a period of at least five full days, or one hundred and twenty (120) hours, between the dissolution of Parliament and the beginning of the election.

(c) The Registrar General is responsible for the enforcement of Sections 1-3, and will post an official election thread shortly in advance of the election date advised by the Prime Minister.

(d) Elections shall last precisely forty-eight (48) hours from the moment indicated by the Registrar General in the official election thread described in  section 4. (c). Votes that are cast outside of this period shall be disqualified.

(d) To be eligible to vote in an election, citizens must , at least one week in advance of the start of the election, 'sign in' in the indicated thread posted by the Registrar General. In order to vote it is only necessary for citizens to 'sign in' once throughout their time in South America.

(e) Citizens who have 'signed in' before the date of implementation of this Constitution are hereby recognised as having done so and will not be required to repeat the process.

5. Parliament will elect, by majority vote, a Speaker tasked with maintaining order and managing the business of the house. The Speaker must be a Member of Parliament.

IV: The Game Moderator and Registrar General

1. Parliament will appoint, by a two-thirds vote, a Game Moderator upon the resignation of the incumbent or his impeachment by a two-thirds vote. The Game Moderator will be responsible for providing information to the Cabinet and designing events for the government to react to.

2. Parliament will appoint, by two-thirds vote, a Registrar General upon the upon the resignation of the incumbent or his impeachment by a two-thirds vote. The Registrar General will be responsible for the administration of elections and the maintenance of the citizenship register through the aforementioned 'Sign-In' thread.

3. The Game Moderator and Registrar General must both be citizens in good standing of South America.

4. The Game Moderator may not be a Member of Parliament or of any political party. No such restriction will exist on the position of Registrar General.

V: The Judiciary

1. Parliament will appoint, by a majority vote, a State Justice of South America who will serve as the highest judiciary authority in the nation. He will be charged with passing judgement on criminal and civil matters and will serve a six-month term, renewable indefinitely, or until his resignation, upon which a replacement will be appointed by Parliament.

2. The first State Justice shall be nominated one week from the passage of this Act.

3. The body of criminal and civil law and the corresponding penalties for violation will be determined by the Government.

4. Bringing charges against South American citizens for crimes against the state will be the sole responsibility of the designated minister for law enforcement and legal matters.

V: Amendments to this Constitution

1. This Constitution may be amended at any time by two-thirds vote of the Parliament.

VII: Implementation

1. This Act will come into effect as the Constitution of South America upon its passage.
13  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Which city is going to serve as capital city? on: August 28, 2015, 12:00:41 pm
I believe the capital has been determined as Cochabamba - I have as much in the constitution act that's due to be introduced this evening. I'd assume this is based on the proposal for a South American parliament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_Parliament).
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: ARG Polling: Oct. '15 Presidential Election - Possible Candidates on: August 28, 2015, 11:51:13 am
I will under no circumstances stand for the Presidency so please remove me from future iterations of any polls.
15  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The National Library of South America on: August 27, 2015, 06:26:17 pm
Brilliant again, Harry. This is far better than a wiki.
16  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Department of Justice on: August 27, 2015, 02:31:01 pm
Pending final consultations with my Cabinet colleagues the Constitution Act will be introduced tomorrow.
17  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Department of Justice on: August 27, 2015, 01:09:17 pm
Hi Yelnoc,

Presently, as with all other policy upon the foundation of the state, drug policy is at the status quo - that is to say each constituent nation maintains its own independent policy. Obviously this is not ideal and this an issue I plan to address following the introduction of legislation for a constitutional settlement and my subsequent legislation on labour law.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Next Greek Legistlative Election on: August 27, 2015, 05:48:42 am
Tsirpas has faced up to his responsibilities instead of choosing to let people die because of ~pride~ so this is a fairly easy decision.
19  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Will the government publish its agenda? on: August 27, 2015, 04:54:26 am
Mr. Speaker, I must insist that this foreign agitator be removed from the house.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Martin Sheen on: August 26, 2015, 02:24:24 pm
spamming would involve posting gibberish which I'm not

Debatable.
21  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Will the government publish its agenda? on: August 26, 2015, 01:10:45 pm
My dear comrade, this government has no intention of rushing half-finished legislation to the floor just to satisfy some cult of action.

However, the Prime Minister has permitted me to note the two highest priorities of this first government -

1. To establish and clarify the fundamental structures of the nation. The Cabinet is hard at work on this very matter as we speak, with the first priority being the publication of a comprehensive Government act that will clarify the constitutional situation in the coming days.

2. To establish a functioning foreign policy and win diplomatic recognition from the socialist hellscape that is our Northern neighbour.
22  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Department of Justice on: August 26, 2015, 12:21:13 pm
The government will be introducing a comprehensive bill to address many of the concerns raised during the last election in the coming days.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast National Party Convention - August/September 2015 on: August 26, 2015, 12:19:48 pm
x Oakvale
24  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Question Time on: August 25, 2015, 07:47:17 pm
To ask the Prime Minister whether the surfeit of 'Senior Advisors' on the ministerial payroll is a good use of taxpayers money or an example of craven nepotism.

Mr. Speaker,

I hope the irony of the right honorable member's charges is not lost on all those in attendance here. Socialism is synonymous with governmental bloat. How tedious, asinine, and possibly deceptive of the Socialists in this body to turn a blind eye to our neighbors to the north. Each day, millions of people are forced by circumstance to awake or be born into the socialist nightmare that is Atlasia. Their rise to power in the north was paved with tawdry political parlor tricks such as frivolous charges of nepotism. Be mindful of the political ploys and deceptions of the Socialists and their Red allies. This Government keep those forces at bay and we ask the people of South America to join us putting the work of the people firmly ahead of politics.

Hear hear!
25  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Question Time on: August 25, 2015, 07:14:16 pm
Mr. Speaker,

While the honorable member's question was directed to the Minister for Social Protection, labor relations as distinct from worker protection and so on comes under the purview of the Justice Department so if I may I will answer the member's question.

This government is a friend of working South Americans and will endeavour to protect the rights of workers. We have no objection to unionisation in principle, provided it does not cripple business, endanger the security of the nation, or act as a strangehold on innovation and growth.

What this government, since we are not a Socialist government, will not do is throw ourselves at the mercy of the capricious demands of sectional factions and self-interested big labor. The government does not accept the false dichotomy that pits business against workers.

Because we place the highest priority on the liberal principle of fairness and opportunity for all, the government opposes union shops.
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