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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: French Presidential Election 2017, Run-Off on: April 25, 2017, 04:23:12 pm
This is a useful thread for identifying the vile morons who sagely declare that fascism is preferable to a guy who worked for a bank or whatever.

Let's not pretend like the future of France under FBM is going to be some shining beacon for Europe or something. It's going to be a disaster, and you can count on Panzergirl to be there to reap the benefits in 2022. There is no surest way to encourage the rise of fascism than keeping on with nice technocratic centrist Smiley Smiley Smiley policies.

Seems like the surest way to encourage the rise of fascism would be to elect a fascist as President of France actually

And if she's a disaster and can't fully turn the media in her favor in any sort of way [given the response to her "stepping down" as FN Leader, it doesn't seem she could pull it off], that's more ammo to discrediting her movement.

Same way Hillary's loss was an absolute gift to downballot Democrats who would've been flooded out for sure in 2018.



Predictably, the dumbest take.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: French Presidential Election 2017, Run-Off on: April 25, 2017, 02:23:42 pm
This is a useful thread for identifying the vile morons who sagely declare that fascism is preferable to a guy who worked for a bank or whatever.

Let's not pretend like the future of France under FBM is going to be some shining beacon for Europe or something. It's going to be a disaster, and you can count on Panzergirl to be there to reap the benefits in 2022. There is no surest way to encourage the rise of fascism than keeping on with nice technocratic centrist Smiley Smiley Smiley policies.

Seems like the surest way to encourage the rise of fascism would be to elect a fascist as President of France actually
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: French Presidential Election 2017, Run-Off on: April 24, 2017, 08:03:29 am
This is a useful thread for identifying the vile morons who sagely declare that fascism is preferable to a guy who worked for a bank or whatever.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2017 House Election on: April 23, 2017, 04:16:48 pm
1. Dereich
2. WI: Potus
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you vote for in the French Presidential Election (First Round) on: April 22, 2017, 08:59:05 am
Macron is the best option of these and I would vote for him in the first round. Obviously would vote for virtually anyone over Panzergirl, which is what matters really.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 28, 2017, 11:21:19 am
I can't help but perceive an exploitative fetishization of black/racial minority culture by the same "educated" white liberals who unironically use the term "white trash."



Huh
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 28, 2017, 07:45:30 am
"The State giveth" is a bizarre response to whatever NSV is on about but we are all by now familiar with macho bluster about 'parasites' and guillotines etc from forum leftists.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 27, 2017, 11:55:53 am
It is pretty funny how the various narratives being spun about the mysterious Midwest whites is very similar to competing colonial depictions of natives. Are they a vast tribe of aggressive unreasonable non-woke types who should be feared and despised? Are they a dying, noble breed more in touch than the effete observer? Do they merely need to be tamed and introduced to microbreweries and coding lessons so they can be brought into the brave world if the future?

The Ohio factory worker is the noble savage of American journalism.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 27, 2017, 10:46:56 am
Good to see some pushback against the bizarre media fellation of Trump voters because they once drove a truck.

Yes, clearly the most serious problem with the mainstream media these days is that they pay too much attention and are too sympathetic to economically disadvantaged groups. That explains everything!

Airhead journalists are weekly dispatched in their millions to empty diners in Michigan or whatever to ask fat guys in MAGA hats if they still like Trump and then return to write fawning pieces about how this noble working man thinks lynching is good. This genre did not exist before November 8th and does not exist for any other demographic. Not sure where you got the rest of your wild extrapolation from but I understand the urge to sermonise.

"The urge to sermonize" tends to be a byproduct of having meaningful political views and at least generically caring about the deleterious impact that the smugness of the socio-political group I happen to be a part of ends up having on the goals said group is supposed to be championing. You could try that sometimes.

I think the premise of the article is stupid 'voting against their own interests!' nonsense - for all its veneer of elitism etc. it's actually a boilerplate "maybe Trump will make the sheeple wake up!" piece. But I don't see it as any more embarrassing than the plethora of paeans to 'economic anxiety' published hourly.

I think we tend to overrate the impact of a vague sense of being condescended to - but is there anything more condescending than the aforementioned 'Chris Cilliza empathises with a laid-off steelworker' series?
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 26, 2017, 09:46:03 pm
The basic flaw with democracy is that at some point you've got to stop absolving voters and realise that a lot of people want terrible things. For every Trump voter who got conned there's at least two more cheering on his plan to throw every Mexican in the United States into a giant pit.

Good to see some pushback against the bizarre media fellation of Trump voters because they once drove a truck.

Yes, clearly the most serious problem with the mainstream media these days is that they pay too much attention and are too sympathetic to economically disadvantaged groups. That explains everything!

Airhead journalists are weekly dispatched in their millions to empty diners in Michigan or whatever to ask fat guys in MAGA hats if they still like Trump and then return to write fawning pieces about how this noble working man thinks lynching is good. This genre did not exist before November 8th and does not exist for any other demographic. Not sure where you got the rest of your wild extrapolation from but I understand the urge to sermonise.

I'm just absolutely baffled that there are Serious People writing Serious Thinkpieces arguing that the problem is that the Democratic Party isn't contemptuous enough of people who don't vote for it. It really lends some credence to the idea that, when you're insulated from the actual outcomes of bad policy (e.g. by being a famous liberal pundit, or whatever Oakvale is), you start to view politics as a purely will-to-power (or will-to-feeling-superior, really, since wielding power typically requires winning elections) exercise rather than something that has real consequences if the bad guys keep winning.

I am not a politician and don't feel the need to lionise the electorate. You have zero idea as to what degree 'bad policy' affects me but by all means continue your preening.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 26, 2017, 08:32:57 pm
Good to see some pushback against the bizarre media fellation of Trump voters because they once drove a truck.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: AHCA Whip Count on: March 24, 2017, 04:54:49 pm
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Sam Spade on: March 24, 2017, 08:24:14 am
Obviously a genuinely terrible person but good fun most of the time.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A younger Jerry Brown... on: March 21, 2017, 03:05:15 pm
I get tired of people point out age. Somehow Jerry Brown can manage to have held jobs as mayor in Oakland and Governor of biggest state in history of the US for 16 years but is too old to be elected President?  Meanwhile the median age for a Senator is 70?

IT is another form of evaluating people based on something other than their ability to perform the task at hand. An 80 year old can be elected president and the country will be jsut fine.

Another unhealthy thing that has happened is we expect the President to run for re-election.  This dates back to even before radio, and LBJ is the only example of anyone not running for 2nd term, dating back to TR, and before him I think before the civil war.,

The Presidency has become a behemoth, not a coequal branch of government or we would not make such a big deal about these things.  Maybe it is a holdover from the idea of a monarch.

Yes a man who'd be 86 at the end of his term is too old to serve in the Presidency. Not sure what's complicated about this?
15  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Atlas's Favorite Musician/Band - Round 1C on: March 21, 2017, 01:44:37 pm
What is this, some kind of joke? Where is Grimes?

The forum is a generation of children who were raised on hormone-packed breakfast cereals, permanently depriving them of the ability to develop good taste.
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Atlas's Favorite Musician/Band - Round 1B on: March 21, 2017, 01:36:43 pm
Plebs, plebs everywhere.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The rehabilitation of George Bush on: March 07, 2017, 09:19:29 am
I've seen about ten thousand takes about how Bush is being rehabilitated in light of Trump and basically zero actually evidence that Bush is being rehabilitated in light of Trump.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Iowa? on: March 06, 2017, 06:10:03 pm
Corn is a junk crop that only exists as an industry because of scams and handouts.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Iowa? on: March 06, 2017, 01:07:30 pm
They have let us down at literally every opportunity for the last few years.

Who is "us" and what does Iowa owe to it?

The civilized world, Tony. They voted for 'Lyin'' Ted Cruz in the Republican primaries, depressing everyone not related to Ted Cruz, and then, bamboozled by his sick 'negs', elected Donald Trump President in a desperate plea for validation, thus answering forever his eternal question 'how stupid are the people of Iowa, folks?' No other state has been this disappointing this consistently.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Iowa? on: March 06, 2017, 12:44:52 pm
They have let us down at literally every opportunity for the last few years.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Primus Inter Pares - October 2000 General Election on: March 06, 2017, 09:16:02 am
What sicko came up with an alternate reality where John Prescott was prime minister? My God.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Tom Perriello to run for Va. governor: report on: March 04, 2017, 09:33:27 am
I mean I'm obviously supporting Fightin Tom (normal AAD) but a guy voting Republican when he was a generic upper middle class voter rather than an active politician seems like a dubious attack tbh.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Trump claims Obama wire tapped Trump Tower. on: March 04, 2017, 08:54:17 am
Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why do so many here greatly overestimate the power of DNC Chairman? on: February 25, 2017, 07:58:18 pm
This is not about the DNC Chair. It's never been about the DNC Chair.

What?  That is literally the only thing this is about...well...that and the fact that some folks are having a temper-tantrum because Teh EVILstablishmentz is mean Cry Cry  Apparently being a "progressive" these days means believing Donald Trump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Perez Roll Eyes

Symbols matter in politics. Denying that means being utterly deluded. If the hacks that control the Democratic party aren't even willing to make a concession on this, that means they have decided they're going keep f**king over the base in every way possible for the years to come. They haven't learned a thing from 2016. That's the problem.

Explain how because they've actually been pretty fervent in opposing Trump so far.

Posturing about T***p isn't what will make Democrats win in 2020. To do that, they'll need to actually show that they understand the angers and care about the needs of the growing majority of Americans who get nothing out of the current economic system. They seem completely uninterested in that because it's more convenient to be the part of the upper middle-class who don't like T***p because he's uncool or something.

And the DNC Chair has nothing to do with any of that! It's basically a position that simply organizes fundraisers and does quick interviews on news shows.

Dean's 50-State strategy allowed Democrats to win supermajorities in 2008. DWS' disaster of a leadership contributed to record losses at every every level. Clearly it matters at least a bit.

But again, the main point isn't the DNC chair itself, it's the SIGNAL it gives. Why nobody seems to understand that?

The premise of HOWARD DEAN as an electoral genius is blatant nonsense and one of the most annoying Atlas myths. Democrats won all manner of seats in 2006 (and '08) because the incumbent administration was as popular as ebola among the electorate, not because Howard Dean had people hold signs at a farm in Idaho or whatever. In comparison, I have a hunch it was not legendary strategist Michael Steele's inspired leadership that lead to sweeping GOP gains in 2010.

I would make an exception for the simple fact that you need to recruit candidates in tough seats in the first place to allow for circumstances to provide such a wave but both Perez and Ellison campaigned on doing exactly that, so...

If you want to hyperventilate over semiotics that's your own business. Unhealthy and probably unhelpful, though.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why do so many here greatly overestimate the power of DNC Chairman? on: February 25, 2017, 07:46:03 pm
I'm confused as to how the 2016 election involved Democrats "screwing over the base" or whatever as a premise.
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