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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: 2014 Selfie Creepfest/Post a picture of yourself thread on: Today at 08:59:13 pm
Uncanny valley vibes.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum IRC Channel, Thread 2 on: Today at 06:37:49 pm
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific Confirmation Hearing: Ebowed for Justice on: Today at 12:29:40 am
In that case my esteemed former colleague has my full and enthusiastic support.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: FiveThirtyEight: Webb would make a good anti-Clinton on: November 20, 2014, 02:09:59 pm
Endorsed.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific Confirmation Hearing: Ebowed for Justice on: November 20, 2014, 12:31:14 am
Has Ebowed actually accepted this nomination?
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is the Democratic Party left-wing? on: November 19, 2014, 09:35:12 pm
HAHA NO!
5 years ago they were slightly right of centre. Now, they are at least centre right and awfully close to far right.

Even socially it's a very authoritarian party despite the large number of Internet leftists trying to convince us otherwisr. I laugh when people say that socialism is no longer a dirty word in this country. The internet just makes socialist southerners realize that there's others like them - doesn't make them significant.




...far right? Really? You can do better.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Blair on: November 19, 2014, 09:16:19 pm
Obvious FF. Prevented thousands upon thousands of deaths in Sierra Leone, Kosovo and, yes, in Iraq, and led one of the better governments in British history, white elephant architectural projects aside. The attempts to reduce him to a Bush puppet or whatever are as silly today as they would have been in 1999, when Bush was idling away the months half-governing Texas and Blair was publicly equating Saddam Hussein and Milosevic.

A little closer to home is the fairly undeniable fact that Blair, due to sheer tenacity and an impressive ability to toe a line between negotiating with republicans and not overtly outraging (most of) the unionists, deserves a huge share of the credit for the Good Friday Agreement.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you know of any Atlas Forum users who have passed away? on: November 19, 2014, 03:23:05 am
Creepy, ghoulish thread. Should not be.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Midwest Gubernatorial Recall Election Poll on: November 18, 2014, 06:31:38 pm
The real question here is why the process isn't simply to require a higher signature threshold for the recall petition and, once that is achieved, proceed to a recall election. As is, there seems to be a three-step process

1. Petition for recall, achieve signature threshold
2. Vote on recall question,
3. (Simulatenously) vote in recall election

It would be interesting if FitzGerald was to run as a candidate to replace himself and got less votes than GAWorth but the recall question failed. It would be pretty crippling to any claim of a mandate, but legal.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 18, 2014, 05:34:29 pm
Why not just slim down Pacific government? Does it need a legal officer? Can't the Governor do what little work is required for that post? Does it need an elected legislature? Historically many regions - including the Pacific if memory serves - had general assembles of all citizens.

I've advocated for a Pacific legislature (rather than a universal one) for years but given the dire state of the region removing barriers to activity (like having to win a seat) might actually not be a bad idea. The converse proposition is that elections foster activity but that, er, objectively seems to have failed. I can admit when I was wrong.

If the mooted return of districts comes up, though, I'd like regional legislatures to have a say (and thus take on far more importance than a mere stepping stone to higher office) so perhaps rethinking the proposed merger at that point might be worthwhile.
11  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: UPDATE-OPOLY: Game I on: November 18, 2014, 03:38:42 pm
(1) Free Parking / 'Free Gas'  (Put an X in a box)

     [ X ] Any and all fines and taxes go into a Free Parking ('Free Gas' in Update-opoly) fund.  Whoever lands on Free Gas wins the accumulated pool of cash.  If the pool is empty, they win nothing.

     [  ] Any and all fines and taxes go to the bank.  Nothing happens when a player lands on Free Gas.


(2) The last unsold property  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] The last unsold property goes into the Free Gas pool as well.  If somebody lands on that property after it has gone into Free Gas, they may still purchase it at regular price.  But if they land on Free Gas, they win it for free instead.

     [X ] The last unsold property can only be sold when a player lands on it.


(3) Salary for landing on Go  (Rank your preferences, 1-3)

     [  ] If you land on Go, you collect $400 instead of $200.  This includes instructions given by Trust Jesus or Papa's Retirement Fund cards to 'Advance to Go'.

     [  ] If you land on Go, you collect $400 instead of $200.  However, instructions given by Trust Jesus or Papa's Retirement Fund cards are excluded, and you only get $200.

     [X  ] If you land on Go, you just collect $200.


(4) When players can begin purchasing properties   (Rank your preferences, 1-3)

     [  ] All players must each move around the board once before they can purchase any properties.*

     [  ] All players must wait until just one player has moved around the entire board once.*

     [X  ] Players may begin purchasing properties immediately after the game begins.

* A trip to jail ('Sleep') does not count as traveling around the board, so that player will still need to pass Go after leaving jail to qualify as having fully moved around the board.


(5) If a player chooses not to (or cannot afford to) purchase an unsold property they've landed on...  (Put an X in a box)

     [X  ] ... it remains unsold for the next player to land on.

     [  ] ... it goes to a silent auction, in which players PM me a bid for the property.  Highest bid wins.


(6) When a player lands on a Trust Jesus space...  (Rank your preferences, 1-3)

     [  ] ... the player must draw a card.

     [  ] ... the player can choose to either draw a card, or sit freely on the space and do nothing.

     [X  ] ... the player can choose to either draw a card, or pay a $50 fine.


(7) Collecting rent while in jail ('asleep')  (Put an X in a box)

     [X  ] While asleep, players cannot collect rent on their properties.

     [  ] While asleep, players can collect rent on their properties.


(8) Winning the game    (Rank your preferences, 1-4)

     [X  ] A player wins when all other players are bankrupt.

     [  ] A player wins when they have accumulated 85% of the wealth (cash + assets) in play.

     [  ] A player wins when they have accumulated 80% of the wealth (cash + assets) in play.

     [  ] A player wins when they have accumulated 75% of the wealth (cash + assets) in play.


(9) Trading properties between players  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] Trading properties has to wait until all properties are owned.

     [X  ] Trading properties can begin at any point.


(10) Availability of houses and hotels ('credit cards' and 'loans', respectively)  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] Credit cards are limited to 32, and loans to 12.

     [X  ] There is no limit to credit cards and loans available to purchase.


(11) Issuing properties at the beginning of the game  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] Three property cards are randomly dealt to each player at the beginning of the game.

     [X  ] No properties are dealt at the beginning of the game.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: At-Large Special Election Coverage on: November 17, 2014, 03:15:14 pm
Senator BK or Senator Cris -- either is a win for President Lumine

I don't know about that. Whatever way you look at it the result is Federalist seat falling to TPP.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 17, 2014, 03:12:24 pm
^ Maybe. The problem is that even at its best the Pacific has always struggled with activity. Part of that is because it was so often a monocultural region.

This may have all been covered before - I didn't follow the last great merger debate as closely as I might have because at that time I believed that it was unnecessary - that the Pacific could survive and thrive. I've since become convinced by the pro-merger line - that the population of Atlasia just can't support five active regions.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 17, 2014, 03:03:15 pm
Here's what a merger would look like if it were to happen today under my proposal. It would probably make sense to phase out tenth Senate seat at some point but that would take some time. The regions would remain as constitutional units, federally speaking, but in practice would have the same regional government.

Crudely-drawn infographic:


So they would have still their 2 regional senators?

Yeah, in practice this would look like LeBron being Governor of the Midwest and Governor of the Pacific, but Cranberry and TNF remaining Senators for the Pacific and Midwest respectively.

This would be a temporary solution as we, hopefully, move towards a more elegant fix.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 17, 2014, 02:58:51 pm
Here's what a merger would look like if it were to happen today under my proposal. It would probably make sense to phase out tenth Senate seat at some point but that would take some time. The regions would remain as constitutional units, federally speaking, but in practice would have the same regional government.

Crudely-drawn infographic:

16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 17, 2014, 02:51:37 pm
Bacon King: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=186155.0
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Barack Obama on: November 17, 2014, 02:35:16 pm
Great FF. It's disgusting that he will be constitutionally forced out of office in 2017.

I share PKemp's opinion. Obama is a great man and President, and while I have issues with his policies and disagree with his style of governing, I retain a very positive opinion (considering how my usual opinion of any politician is pretty negative...)

Couldn't have put it better myself. Obama 2016.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 17, 2014, 02:30:25 pm
The Midwest and the Pacific already rejected the merge for the record.

Different circumstances. I voted against the merger last time but probably would vote in favour this time provided my condition were to be met.

e: I supposed it would be simpler if the 'mega-region' still had two Senate seats?
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 17, 2014, 02:08:17 pm
Under the leadership of GAWorth, I think a melded Pacific-Midwest could work this time.

Yes, I hope so. My only condition has ever been that the new region retain the name The Pacific (where the overwhelming majority of our 'real life' citizens would live, and its unique non-directional character) and our state names. I'd be willing to accept the Midwest's Governor, Senator, local government and to keep their unique culture intact, too.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The mess that is the Pacific (and its Constitution) on: November 17, 2014, 12:56:33 pm
As the person mostly responsible for authoring this thing I'll try to provide some framer's intent (Tyrion contributed a great deal too but seems to be still be banned). I've already discussed most of this with Griffin privately but it's worth clearing the air a little in public.

1. Yes, the Pacific is specifically prohibited from legislating for recall elections. In the context of the time post-Rimjob it's worth remembering that we were literally holding tedious recall elections weekly and they were severely disrupting the functioning of the government. Granted in an extraordinary situation like this I can see the usefulness.

2. Impeachment votes need a majority (so, 2 Councillors) to vote in the affirmative in order to proceed to a public vote. Assuming Spamage and Nix are in office that would be enough.

3. Art. II 4 clearly does not indicate that Councillors automatically have their 'seats considered vacant' after an absence. Our intention in this clause was to allow Councillors to be expelled for 'poor behaviour', but not to allow Councillors to be expelled for ideological or political reasons, hence the suggested guidelines for a definition of 'poor behaviour'.

Sitting Councillors retain their seats until resignation, loss of re-election, retirement or expulsion by vote of the Council.

4. The lack of a Justice is troubling and deeply problematic. The Pacific Constitution was specifically written to allow for some leeway in judicial interpretation, something becomes moot without a Justice. It's also worth noting that the so-called Right To Life Act specifically contradicts the Women's Rights Amendment to the Pacific Constitution, authored and enacted by me and the rest of the Council this time last year.

Your second interpretation is the more accurate.

At this point the best thing to do is for Cllrs. Spamage and Averroes to impeach Simfan. Whoever is Speaker (Spamage?) will then become Acting Governor, and appoint a Pacific Justice. That Justice (stay with me!) will then open a voting booth for a proper gubernatorial election.

The Council problems can be then easily dealt with.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Midwest Gubernatorial Recall Election Poll on: November 17, 2014, 12:35:46 pm
If I'm not wrong, LeBron can't be a candidate.
There will be two questions: one on the recall of the Governor (Yes or No or Abstain) and another question on who should become Governor in his place (and LeBron can't be a candidate).


That's technically the case but in practice it probably won't be much different to an actual election.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Deeply disturbing (Part Trois) on: November 16, 2014, 11:19:41 pm
Who all are even Councillors now? I'm assuming the Wiki is not up-to-date, and therefore Devin, Superique and Never are not Councillors anymore?

The only one I know of is Spamage.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Deeply disturbing (Part Trois) on: November 16, 2014, 11:15:18 pm
As a Pacific councilor,  I am open to joining a party. Currently, I am an independent,  but I may change who I caucus with soon.


Perhaps in the meantime you could do your job?
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Deeply disturbing (Part Trois) on: November 16, 2014, 11:11:11 pm
The problem is the Pacific needs constant guidance, as does any region with activity problems. We had that under Tyrion, we had it under DemPGH, under Cranberry and until recently Simfan was doing a great job of keeping the place running at something approaching a decent level.

Sigh.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Deeply disturbing (Part Trois) on: November 16, 2014, 09:39:51 pm
Well that legitimately is disturbing... but not out of the ordinary. Unfortunately.
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