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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump to police - 'Don't be too nice' - 'Throw them in the paddy wagon' on: July 28, 2017, 08:02:21 pm
I'm liberal and I have no problem with this. The police feel so scrutinized, like they have to be walking on pins and needles all the time, so attacked, and worry they have no support for their job. Trump is just giving them a pep talk. Loosening them up. Making them feel good. That's totally understandable.

Democrats already spent the whole 2016 convention doing that.
77  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the Democratic Party distance itself from Hillary Clinton? on: July 28, 2017, 07:38:12 pm
The party didn't distance itself from Gore in 2000.

It was Nader's fault that Gore lost, so he got a Pass.

Obviously the democratic party should divorce itself completely from Hillary Clinton. She is the most hated nominee of either major party, aside from Trump himself, in modern history.
If it's Nader's fault Gore lost, it's Stein's fault Hillary lost. Logical consistency and all that.

Obviously I put the blame on voters and not on candidates, but if you're going to blame Nader rather than the "liberal" nimrods who failed to vote Gore, you have to do the same for Stein.

Gore and Hillary were not entitled to those votes. That's part of the stupid  "vote Democrat because we're less bad than the Republicans" crap they've been pushing for years.

Believe what you want, but the lunatics who voted Nader instead of Gore accomplished nothing. The party didn't suddenly jerk left to accommodate them. I think we can all (except jfern) agree that those people screwed up in both 2000 and 2016, considering the particularly awful (even for Republican) presidents their "principled stand" or whatever crap they've deluded themselves with gave us.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats ONLY: John Delaney? on: July 28, 2017, 05:36:51 pm
Never heard of him but I can say 100% certainty that I will vote for him in the general election if he's the nominee.
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the Democratic Party distance itself from Hillary Clinton? on: July 28, 2017, 02:26:27 pm
The party didn't distance itself from Gore in 2000.

It was Nader's fault that Gore lost, so he got a Pass.

Obviously the democratic party should divorce itself completely from Hillary Clinton. She is the most hated nominee of either major party, aside from Trump himself, in modern history.

If it's Nader's fault Gore lost, it's Stein's fault Hillary lost. Logical consistency and all that.

Obviously I put the blame on voters and not on candidates, but if you're going to blame Nader rather than the "liberal" nimrods who failed to vote Gore, you have to do the same for Stein.

80  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Being Transgender a Choice? on: July 28, 2017, 02:22:52 pm

And a whole lot more psychiatrists think the opposite. Leave it to cuckservatives to cherrypick for one maverick joker to back up their opinions on one particular, ignoring any mountains of evidence and/or other experts who suggest otherwise.
81  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Time for bipartisan HC fixes to ACA on: July 28, 2017, 11:28:31 am
Most "ideas" to reduce premiums only shave a percentage point or two off while royally screwing over a few people, like cutting maternity coverage or reinstating annual/lifetime maximums.

If we really want to lower the price of insurance, we need to get really sick people out of the pool altogether. Allow anyone with cancer to join Medicare, just like people with end stage renal disease can already do, and you could lower health insurance premiums by 15-20% (My approximate  back of the napkin calculation, not a formal analysis). And it would allow cancer payments to take advantage of Medicare's broad network, rather than many private plan's narrow networks.
82  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: John McCain apology thread on: July 28, 2017, 11:23:02 am
Why don't we have a thread to praise Collins and Murkowski, who never wavered or grandstanded, but were equally responsible for the result of the vote?

And while we're at it, let's congratulate voters in North Dakota, West Virginia, Missouri, and Montana for sending Democrats to the Senate to make up the 48.
83  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 28, 2017, 12:34:18 am
So now what?
84  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 28, 2017, 12:14:29 am
So is McConnell going to pull it or just put up the vote and let the chips fall? And can he plz hurry up?
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Did jfern vote for Trump? on: July 28, 2017, 12:11:29 am
IIRC he voted for the other anti-progressive Russian plant (Jill Stein).
86  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 28, 2017, 12:08:35 am
Pence has left the chamber.

That either means they are stuck at 49 or believe they have 51.
How in the world could they have 51?
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 11:45:52 pm
If it really is going to fail, does McConnell pull it?
88  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 11:41:36 pm
Can someone clarify:

When they vote on "skinny repeal" momentarily, it's to amend the bill to replace it with skinny repeal? Meaning that if it fails, the bill is still theoretically alive and will still need some kind of final vote to bring it to a close?

And by the same token, if it passes, it will require another final vote to actually be passed by the Senate?

Is there any reason why someone might vote differently tonight and in the final vote?
89  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 11:19:04 pm
I'll believe it when I see it, but wow I can't wait to see Trump's meltdown if McCain votes no.
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 11:10:49 pm
Are they going to allow the PP defunding through reconciliation?
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 10:39:53 pm
So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 10:35:48 pm
Gov Ducey coming out against it is a sign that mccain will vote no.

Why would the gov say that otherwise/

Of course McCain will vote yes. There's no way he's going to pull off an epic troll job like that.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 09:46:53 pm
I think it's safe to say it passes. At this point, if someone is suddenly a "no," they'll forever be known as the senator who saved the ACA and the lives of millions, an "honor" that no GOP senator wants. All of the grandstanding was just that.
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate MTP vote scheduled for Tuesday on: July 27, 2017, 09:30:42 pm
Do you really they'd be flying McCain back to DC if his vote didn't mean the difference in passing or failing?

I'll accept my accolades on this one. They had to bring in McCain, or else the MTP would have failed. And with the PP defunding, Collins and Murkowski are a hard no, meaning McCain's presence mean the "skinny repeal" can pass tonight.

If one more senator had some courage, they wouldn't have had to pull this man off his deathbed to fly to Washington to deny millions the medical care he's currently getting.
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 08:55:52 pm
So are Murkowski and capito voting the same way? Or they've just each made up their minds?
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 01:47:44 pm
Like I said, the Skinny Repeal will be the easiest thing to fix once we have taken our country back.

Too bad for the people who can't wait until January 2021 (hopefully)
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 12:31:05 pm
If Schumer offered not to run a Democratic candidate against Heller in exchange for permanent no on all ACA repeal votes, would it be a good deal for Democrats?

I'm thinking yes. There's no guarantee of beating him anyway.

This is a horrible idea.

Not if you know one of the millions of lives the scheme would potentially save
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Senate enters "Vote-a-Rama" on: July 27, 2017, 08:33:07 am
If Schumer offered not to run a Democratic candidate against Heller in exchange for permanent no on all ACA repeal votes, would it be a good deal for Democrats?

I'm thinking yes. There's no guarantee of beating him anyway.
99  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-vaxxers are brining measles back on: July 26, 2017, 10:52:31 pm
I mostly associate anti-vaxxers with far-left Californian soccer moms, not anyone on the right.

Well OK, but I think you must have some cognitive dissonance going on because the GD president of the United States (a Republican) is a whole lot more prominent than some rando hypothetical soccer mom.
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump bans transgenders from military service on: July 26, 2017, 08:51:45 pm
Also, we all deserve to rot in a pit of fire for all eternity, myself included.

No we don't, and no you don't. This may be the single most head-scratching belief in all of conservative evangelical Protestantism. What kind of psychological factors drive someone to believe that "everyone deserves eternal torture" and similar absurdity?
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