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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: In this thread, we post r/S4P reactions to tonight's news on: June 06, 2016, 10:00:20 pm
I think Bernie should lose the nomination because he's going to lose in pledged delegates, but I think that this type of reporting, or at least the outlets who fail to report that superdelegates can change their vote, is sketchy/lame. 

It's totally cool to say that it appears Clinton is the presumptive nominee or that she is almost certainly the nominee, but the fact that she won with changeable supers needs to be mentioned and often isn't on many outlets.

So the November election shouldn't be called until December because electors in some states could change their votes en masse and elect the loser?

Pledged electors can go to jail or be fined for being faithless.  Pledged delegates can have their first ballot votes invalidated.

Superdelegates face no such penalties/restrictions.
In some states, but not all or even most of them.

In 2012 there were enough Obama electors that could have theoretically voted Romney and handed him the election with no legal punishment whatsoever. By your logic, the media was wrong to declare Obama the winner of the general election because it's "possible" that electors could have handed the election to Romney, or anyone else for that matter.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: In this thread, we post r/S4P reactions to tonight's news on: June 06, 2016, 09:42:47 pm
I think Bernie should lose the nomination because he's going to lose in pledged delegates, but I think that this type of reporting, or at least the outlets who fail to report that superdelegates can change their vote, is sketchy/lame. 

It's totally cool to say that it appears Clinton is the presumptive nominee or that she is almost certainly the nominee, but the fact that she won with changeable supers needs to be mentioned and often isn't on many outlets.

So the November election shouldn't be called until December because electors in some states could change their votes en masse and elect the loser?
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sen. Sasse May Support Johnson on: June 05, 2016, 11:24:03 pm
Hopefully, it will enter the public consciousness that Johnson is the candidate for disgruntled right-wingers and not the candidate for disgruntled centrists.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CLINTON EVISCERATES TRUMP on: June 05, 2016, 10:10:01 am
This scripted speech delivered by a career politician surrounded by teleprompter screens will no doubt be the silver bullet that kills Trump's campaign!

That's not the point.  The point is that she unleashed the "fear" card, which is the most powerful card in politics, with brutal effectiveness.  There aren't many election cycles in which contenders can use it, but when they can, landslides are born.  Massive ones.


Interesting, can you give an example?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_Door_%28advertisement%29

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_(advertisement)
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Bernie had gone negative on: June 05, 2016, 10:03:44 am
He would have done a little worse in the primaries and seriously hurt her general election chances.

The fact that he was able to see this and hold back makes me confident that he'll graciously bow out Tuesday.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders Campaign staying in til DC on: June 04, 2016, 08:07:00 pm
What? Literally every electoral vote is unpledged.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Faithless_elector_states.svg
List of states with laws against faithless electors (i.e. they are not only pledged but -legally bound- to vote for the winner of their respective state.

There is no electoral college equivilent of superdelegates who are absolutely unbound, can vote for whoever they want regardless of the vote outcome--the electoral votes are the equivilent of the pledged delegates.

I'm aware that some states have laws on the books, but who knows how such laws would be enforced or if they would hold up in Court (I'm guessing they wouldn't).

But if it makes you feel better, I can revise my statement to "Around half of the electoral votes are unpledged." It remains a legitimate point that Sanders staying in after California is equivalent to Sanders losing to Trump in November but refusing to concede because he wants to try to convince the electors (for argument's sake, we'll say only in the grey states on your map) to pick him instead. Legally allowed, but total horsesh**t.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders Campaign staying in til DC on: June 04, 2016, 05:34:58 pm
He says that you can't lump superdelegates in with pledged deletates because pledged delegates are "real".

It's true, though. HRC won't have the requisite number of pledged delegates after the District of Columbia votes on the 14th. Superdelegates don't vote until the convention.

No delegates vote until the convention. Roll Eyes

This is like refusing to concede a general election because "the electoral college doesn't vote until December!"

There is quite literally no valid room for comparison here given that you don't go into the general election with unpledged electoral votes who can be swing this way or that.

What? Literally every electoral vote is unpledged.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: HC: People say, I really like you, I just dont know if I can vote for a women' on: May 31, 2016, 11:09:41 pm
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In a New York magazine cover profile published this week, Clinton said she encounters people on rope lines who tell her, I really admire you, I really like you, I just dont know if I can vote for a woman to be president.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-sexism-woman-card-000000411.html

Do you really think this happened?

Pretty certain it did.

Name them then. I'm tired of people hiding behind anonymity and vague anecdotes. Give names to these people, shame them in the public eye. Because the sooner this happens, the sooner we can drop the notion that people that think Hillary Rodham Clinton is a poor choice to be President of the United States it's because they're automatically sexist.

I doubt she demanded names from the people who told her these things...
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: HC: People say, I really like you, I just dont know if I can vote for a women' on: May 31, 2016, 08:10:59 pm
Anyone who wouldn't vote for a woman for president wouldn't admire and really like Hillary Clinton.

That's probably true for men generally, but there are millions of women who wouldn't vote for a female president, and some of them probably admire her.

Four years ago, when Michelle Bachmann was running in the Republican primaries, there were stories in the papers that quoted female Republican voters saying that women aren't fit to govern and that's why they were never going to vote for her.

Yeah, no doubt Bachmann, Fiorina, etc., had it worse than Hillary in that regard.

It's hard to feel that sorry for them though, since they willingly chose to be Republicans.
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is the most time-honored Atlas election-year tradition? on: May 31, 2016, 07:08:45 pm
I will now accept my accolades

Came here to say this. Someone brings it up every election.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: HC: People say, I really like you, I just dont know if I can vote for a women' on: May 31, 2016, 07:05:42 pm
Anyone who wouldn't vote for a woman for president wouldn't admire and really like Hillary Clinton.

That's probably true for men generally, but there are millions of women who wouldn't vote for a female president, and some of them probably admire her.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Former chairman of veterans committee falls asleep during memorial day ceremony on: May 30, 2016, 10:46:13 pm
^^
What's Bernie doing rooting for an elite, powerful team like the Warriors? If he were sincere in his rhetoric he'd only cheer for a blue-collar, working man's team like the Pistons or Pacers.
88  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Winter is Coming (GoT is back) on: May 30, 2016, 04:38:51 pm
Do you think Tommen and Margery are truly converted over to the High Sparrow's side, or just faking it for now?
89  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Best guitar player of all time on: May 30, 2016, 09:46:32 am
Prince
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Poll: How did you guys find this forum? on: May 29, 2016, 10:26:38 pm
Should've included a "can't remember" option. I'm sure I'm not the only one that's true for.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Give a jfern style response on the preveding topic on: May 29, 2016, 10:25:11 pm
Yes. But obviously Hitler and Osama would fling themselves in front of their lord and savior to absorb the bullets.

Hodor
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will this shocking new evidence help Hillary/hurt TRUMP? on: May 29, 2016, 12:24:49 am
IIRC, Sarah Palin was in New York (the pizza capital of the world) so Donald Trump took her to ... Sbarro.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Listen to your gut feeling... on: May 28, 2016, 08:21:05 am
Clinton by at least a decent margin, maybe more.

In order for any Republican to win in 2016, they would have to convince millions of people who voted for Obama twice to flip over and vote for the Republican nominee. Trump is a particularly bad choice to get that done.

And that doesn't even consider the fact that there will hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of moderate McCain/Romney voters who won't vote Trump, and just as many super-Christian types. And on top of that, he'll lose some female and Hispanic Romney voters.

So not only does Trump have to flip millions of Obama voters like any Republican nominee would, he has to make up for all of the moderate/woman/Hispanic/super-Christian votes he loses by either flipping even more Obama voters, or by turning out people who didn't vote in 2008/2012. Mathematically, it just seems very far-fetched.
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which nation do/would you play as in Civilization V? on: May 26, 2016, 09:26:27 pm
I just made the transition from 3 to 5 a couple months ago, so I'm still experimenting around. Right now I'm working on England and liking it a lot.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton & Trump VP news LATEST: Manafort: Trump VP will probably be white male on: May 26, 2016, 04:39:33 pm
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15749678/dallas-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-wide-open-being-vice-president-candidate

Mark Cuban willing to be VP for either Trump or Hillary
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bill Clinton Gets Into 30-Minute Debate With A 24-Year-Old Bernie Fan on: May 26, 2016, 08:10:38 am
FF. Keep fighting the good fight, Bill.
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama mandates All Public Schools to let Trans students use bathroom of choice on: May 25, 2016, 11:49:52 pm
98  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Winter is Coming (GoT is back) on: May 25, 2016, 09:43:10 pm
Apparently, a couple years ago, George RR Martin gave the details of the last 2 books to the showrunners so they could start planning the show, and there 3 were specific "holy sh**t" moments"
1. Stannis sacrificing Shireen
2. Hodor's origin story
3. TBA

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin_us_57449e29e4b0aad87c8baeac
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump ad dipicts Bill Clinton as rapist on: May 25, 2016, 09:37:36 pm
Me thinks that Trump is going after millennial-types that were not around when Clinton was President. By modern standards, he would never have won the nomination with those type of allegations. Bill Clinton is basically the white Bill Cosby, but he somehow gets a pass. It's not like it was just one woman making sexual assault allegations. It's like 15.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary set to sweep Canada's 52 Electoral Votes - Abacus Data on: May 25, 2016, 06:11:38 pm
Why do 80% support an opponent of single payer healthcare?

Because U.S. health care system under Obamacare is superior to Canada's?
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