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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE3: Because You've Earned It Act (Debating) on: October 21, 2014, 11:20:12 pm
The attacks on this are bizarre and insulting to Northeast voters because they assume that order on a ballot in this game would affect the election's outcome, which is blatantly a joke... I don't think it's anything but scraping at the bottom of the barrel to try to score political points.

That said, to stop the faux outrage, why don't we set an implementation date for this after the October election? This obviously is nothing more than a symbolic move, but I hope it'd put an end to the B.S. complaints about this bill.

With all of that said, why even push for this bill?  If the order really doesn't matter?

It'll matter for a select few (i.e.: the chronically competitive such as myself), in a completely different way than is being insinuated here by the opposition.

"In a completely different way".

How?
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE3: Because You've Earned It Act (Debating) on: October 21, 2014, 09:56:47 pm
The attacks on this are bizarre and insulting to Northeast voters because they assume that order on a ballot in this game would affect the election's outcome, which is blatantly a joke... I don't think it's anything but scraping at the bottom of the barrel to try to score political points.

That said, to stop the faux outrage, why don't we set an implementation date for this after the October election? This obviously is nothing more than a symbolic move, but I hope it'd put an end to the B.S. complaints about this bill.

With all of that said, why even push for this bill?  If the order really doesn't matter?
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Would you vote for a Le Pen supporter? on: October 21, 2014, 07:29:49 pm

Not exactly an endorsement of fascists, but still pretty damning:

Wow. I can't believe someone as smart as you is actually falling for the FN's blatantly hypocritical posturing. This trick is as old as the hills, for God's sake. Reactionaries who don't give a sh*t about the "common man" disguise themselves as populists because that's the only way they can ever gain any political influence. That's the exact same tactics the clericalo-fascist French far-right of the 1930s used. Except that if you actually look at the FN's economic program, there is absolutely nothing about strengthening the Welfare State, or reviving the health and education systems, or to improve the economic conditions of working families. Actually, they have absolutely no idea what to do in that regard. Their only plan to create jobs consists in kicking immigrants out (because yeah, it's well know DEY R TAKING R JOBZ). And yeah sure, they want to get rid of EU - if you actually think that's a good idea, I'm glad you can't vote in a European country.

Now, I know that the blatant fakeness of the FN's populism might be a bit harder to spot for foreigners who only know French politics from the outside. But since you are actually lecturing me about what the FN really is, forgive me if I roll my eyes.

I'm not trying to "lecture" anyone, yes, I understand the history of much of the European far-right, and nothing in that post responding to you meant to sugar coat anything about Front National. And yes, I can hardly wait for the deluge of holier than thou Hashemite posts which I've inevitably made myself a huge blinking red target for. But all I meant to suggest there is that Hollande is yet another self defeating soft-center-leftist in a long line of self defeating soft-center-leftists around the world, and were I some sort of hypothetical french voter that I quite clearly am not, there is a part of me that would be quite tempted to do the political equivalent of prank-pulling the fire alarm and vote for Le Pen against Hollande in the hope that something might come out of it, in the understanding that she would probably have her hands tied for the most part in terms of domestic policy anyway.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Mideast Senate Candidates Forum/Debate on: October 21, 2014, 07:22:07 pm
Candidates,

Say one day while having breakfast your hypothetical brother and sister come downstairs and tell the family they are in love and they are moving to the Northeast to get married.  How would that impact your view of incest legalization?
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Mideast Senate Candidates Forum/Debate on: October 21, 2014, 07:15:20 pm
To Windjammer,

I mean like a tax on the unmodified value of land.

The purpose of it would be limit wealth inequality by putting punitive taxes on those who own the most expensive land.  It would be a way of battling both social injustice as well as prevent excessive abuse of the environment by requiring that people pay for the land they use.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Worst President of these three (19th-century Republicans) on: October 21, 2014, 07:03:45 pm
Voted for Hayes.

McKinley was a pretty horrible president, but Hayes set the stage for the right wing takeover of the GOP by ending Reconstruction, busting unions, and being a pro-gold hack.  The effect that surrendering the South to the Democratic Parties that existed then was an incredible mistake that arguably effected virtually every single vote Congress took from 1877 onwards.

Arguably, you could blame Hayes for why goldbug warmongers like McKinley eventually became the standard in the GOP rather than the exceptions.

Remember when you use to actually examine figures in history rather than make them into absurd stereotypes?

In any case, voted Hayes.

That doesn't prevent me from forming opinions about said historical figures.

For the record, I always thought McKinley was a warmonger and a goldbug.  He was actually a pretty decent Republican on labor issues and eventually evolved on trade issues, but other than that he was pretty horrible.

None of this to deny Grant's own pretty pro-gold stances and protectionist views, either.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: how much is your cable package a month? on: October 21, 2014, 06:26:10 pm
Around $80 for a "flex plan" that includes a modem rental as well as access to HBO and Starz channels.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Better President, of these two (Bill Clinton vs. Barack Obama) on: October 21, 2014, 06:22:18 pm
lol@not a single Republican voting for Obama.

Obviously Obama.


Yes.

Although it is not universally true for all polls, one should use the poll results of Republicans to conclude who is the better president.  At least if you subscribe to a liberal viewpoint.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Republican Party (1854-1874) on: October 21, 2014, 06:20:44 pm
I strongly believe that the Civil War was justified because of its role in ending slavery, but it is credible to argue that Northern and Republican motives for the war were often selfish and political, rather than simply based on the noble mission of freeing the slaves.  

As for the South, however, it's pretty clear that they seceded to keep black people in slavery.  While Northern motives may not have been completely moral, Southern motives were pretty much entirely based on keeping their way of life based on slavery and keeping blacks "in their place".  The war was ultimately a great thing for freeing the slaves, even if ending slavery wasn't the North's prime goal.

People who oppose the Civil War today are not automatically racist, but their interpretation of history is wrong, if they don't think the South seceded because of slavery.

For the record, this is the sane position.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Worst President of these three (19th-century Republicans) on: October 21, 2014, 05:52:59 pm
Voted for Hayes.

McKinley was a pretty horrible president, but Hayes set the stage for the right wing takeover of the GOP by ending Reconstruction, busting unions, and being a pro-gold hack.  The effect that surrendering the South to the Democratic Parties that existed then was an incredible mistake that arguably effected virtually every single vote Congress took from 1877 onwards.

Arguably, you could blame Hayes for why goldbug warmongers like McKinley eventually became the standard in the GOP rather than the exceptions.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Better President, of these two (Bill Clinton vs. Barack Obama) on: October 21, 2014, 05:40:37 pm
Obama has done less damage.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Republican Party (1854-1874) on: October 21, 2014, 11:43:23 am
I must say that I strongly disagree with attempts to paint Deus or other libertarian posters are anti-black or racists just because of their anti-war views.  It might be an unpopular position to hold, but if you are a devout enough pacifist or anti-war person you can be against the Civil War without being racist.  I strongly disagree with my good friend from New York, but I do not believe that his bias is the cause of a negative opinion about blacks.

Do I believe that a large number of people who thought the Civil War was an unjust war are actually racists?  Yes I do.  Do I believe that holds true for Deus or other forum libertarians?

Not enough evidence to convict.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm freakin pissed right now on: October 21, 2014, 11:21:44 am
Back.

I think I overreacted lol.  Rereading my boss's email I think it was a very general comment on what happens when we pay the wrong vendor, regardless of whose fault it is.

God, I feel like an idiot.

This happened over email!?

Good call on taking some time to cool off. Emails are notorious for being misunderstood because of the lack of tone and emotion. You read them as you want to read them. Given the description, I was picturing that your boss actually walked up to you and yelled at you and refused to hear your side of the issue!

My bad, lol.

Sorry everybody.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you hire Bushie for a $20/hour job? on: October 21, 2014, 10:34:02 am
If I don't make $20/hour, why should he?

This.

I got a freaking BACHELOR'S degree and work full time at an office and I don't make that much money.  Why the hell should Bushie?
Bushie also has a  BACHELOR'S degree. Degrees are a dime a dozen these days.

Fair enough.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The worst President, of these three? on: October 21, 2014, 07:22:32 am
Easy Nixon vote.

The man was the closest this nation has gotten to Hitler or Stalin.  He was pure evil incarnate whereas Reagan and Bush were poor man's versions of him.

MormDem's revisionism of Nixon is disturbing.  Nevermind that Nixon's legacy left many millions more dead than either Reagan or Bush combined BECAUSE HE TRIED TO PASS UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE GUISE!

And red avatars wonder why people mock them so incessantly?

Though admittedly, if you are judging by presidential performance Bush takes the cake.  Dear lord that man was incompetent.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best President, of these three on: October 21, 2014, 07:13:27 am
Easy Truman vote.

I'm not a huge fan of the guy but he at least had balls.  JFK's entire political career was about becoming President and Clinton's agenda was Bill Clinton.  Truman was a rather disliked son of a bitch while in office and it didn't seem to bother him that much.  I guess I kind of have an odd respect for that.

Korea was pretty awful though.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm freakin pissed right now on: October 21, 2014, 07:08:26 am
Back.

I think I overreacted lol.  Rereading my boss's email I think it was a very general comment on what happens when we pay the wrong vendor, regardless of whose fault it is.

God, I feel like an idiot.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you hire Bushie for a $20/hour job? on: October 21, 2014, 07:05:58 am
If I don't make $20/hour, why should he?

This.

I got a freaking BACHELOR'S degree and work full time at an office and I don't make that much money.  Why the hell should Bushie?
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of wormyguy on: October 21, 2014, 07:04:00 am
I'm tempted to vote FF now just for his statement on how idiotic it is to post "Opinion of" threads.  Actually f*** it, I'm doing it.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: October 21, 2014, 06:59:33 am
The Kansas-Nebraska Act wasn't really very bad;

It is a pretty ironic instance of history though, given that the Act was drawn up by what would've been the moderate hero Democrats of that era to "defuse" the slavery debate.  Really, it is a good example of how in some situations being the most moderate person possible can backfire dramatically.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Worst President of these three (19th-century Democrats or Unionists) on: October 21, 2014, 06:45:45 am
I don't know how one can read through the Reconstruction period and not conclude Johnson.  Unlike Pierce and Buchanan, whose mistakes can be attributed to a very naive sort of moderate heroism at the time, Johnson actively tried to break something that was being fixed.  Sure, the post Civil War nation was not adamantly pro-black and anti-racist (lol no, as my posting history should demonstrate) and the Radicals in Congress were mostly there because of post war euphoria and political opportunism than genuine anti-racism from Northern Republicans (who during the war and afterward revamped the usual anti-Irish crusade in northern urban areas to attack "corrupt" machines that advanced the interests of urban labor, taverns, liberated women (shudder), non-protestants, and other "Others".  But yes I know "THEY HATED BLACK PEOPLE!") but that doesn't change the fact that Andrew Johnson took what was looking to be a very good situation and flushed it down the toilet.  His administration's rocky start to Reconstruction would have pretty grave effects on the course of American history for the next century that wouldn't be rectified until about the 1960s.  The Civil War was an inevitability, the Jim Crow South was not.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: I challenge Senator Cassius to a duel! on: October 21, 2014, 05:54:30 am
I accept your duel of words, you inebriated bogtrot!

(Apologies in advance to the Irish and Irish-American community for use of this gratuitously offensive anti-Irish slur. However, the word Limey was mentioned, thus I felt it neccessary to respond with an ethnicity-based insult)

As a member of the Irish-Atlasian community, I'm offended you issued an apology.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: I challenge Senator Cassius to a duel! on: October 21, 2014, 05:53:55 am
Wow, I challenged Cassius to a debate last night?

Okay, I guess we should lay some ground rules, lol
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / I challenge Senator Cassius to a duel! on: October 20, 2014, 09:12:57 pm
There is no denying that me and him stand worlds apart on practically every imaginable issue!  And there is no denying that we share a common antagonism towards each other based off of historical and political ideals!  I challenge the Great Fascist Oppressor to a thorough dynamic duel of words to take place ASAP!

Accept my drunken missive, you limey coward!
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Winfield for Northeast Governor. End the Northeast madness. on: October 20, 2014, 08:13:25 pm

Nix, Nix, poor deluded Nix.

You seem to lack a basic understanding of public policy.

Therefore, allow me to explain something to you, in words that you can understand.

You see, Wallace was advocating keeping African Americans at the back of the bus.

Anyone who knows anything about me knows that I am one of the strongest advocates on this forum for racial equality and justice.

And you, Mr. Nix, ought to be ashamed of yourself for drawing a Wallace comparison with me, of all people.  I expected better from you than that, than taking a cheap shot like that.

Anyway, let me explain things to you.  

As I said, Wallace was advocating keeping African Americans at the back of the bus.

What I am advocating, Mr. Nix, is keeping fathers from raping their daughters and using the excuse that it is OK because the Northeast Assembly has made incest legal.

I would have expected that you, Mr. Nix, could understand that.

But perhaps I was wrong in that assumption.

Since you put it that way, how about we ban sexual relations between people?  That way we can prevent people from raping each other, right!?
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