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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Magnolia Tree Polls - October Presidential Election on: Today at 06:42:33 am
Al/Hashemite
2  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / AdamFitzGerald vs. Valen Dreth on: September 29, 2014, 07:45:58 pm
Well?
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Mideast Assembly Thread on: September 29, 2014, 09:19:50 am
I nominate Spiral
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: KS: Paul Davis addresses strip club incident on: September 29, 2014, 07:45:42 am
Why did that guy even call 911 on FitzGerald? That's what I never understood. It wasn't even remotely an emergency.

I don't know, but does it really matter?  I'm not saying I would've called the police, but I can sorta understand why someone might if the lot was private property.

Does this remind anyone of the whole "woman in the car" story with FitzGerald?

I'm afraid such a comparison would be extremely inaccurate.  The Davis faux-scandal and the FitzGerald scandal differ in a number of key ways.  Let's review the material again, shall we? 

1. Unlike Paul Davis, who had turned this into a lean Democratic race before the strip club incident was revealed, Ed FitzGerald never had a snowball's chance in Detroit of winning.

2. Unlike Paul Davis, who was just getting a lap dance in a strip club 16 years ago and wasn't even been married at the time, FitzGerald was pretty clearly having an affair.  In fact, those who insist he was probably just innocently sitting in an empty parking lot with a woman who wasn't his wife despite the fact that his version of the incident doesn't hold up at all should probably be referred to as "FitzGerald truthers." 

3. Unlike Paul Davis, who by all accounts didn't do anything illegal, Ed FitzGerald was also illegally driving a number of vehicles (including a county car) for about ten years because he didn't bother to get his driver's license renewed (for reasons unknown).  Furthermore, FitzGerald punished multiple individuals for driving without a license even as he himself was doing the exact same thing.

4. Unlike Paul Davis, who hasn't done anything like this, Ed FitzGerald sent out fundraising e-mails shortly after his scandal was reported which made it sound like his son's cancer (IIRC) appeared coming back in a pathetic attempt to raise money off his son's illness and try to distract people from the fact that he (FitzGerald) was imploding after being exposed as a law-breaking, womanizing, hypocrite who no one ever really liked in the first place (except Adam). 

5. Unlike Paul Davis, who is running against a highly unpopular Governor with very few supporters other than people who will reflexively vote for anyone if he/she has an R next to their name, Ed FitzGerald is facing a Governor with average popularity with a solid support base who *used to be* extremely unpopular, but now generally gets a "meh, he's okay, I guess" rating from many Ohioans outside of the Republican party.

6. Unlike Paul Davis, who is still running a very competitive race, Ed FitzGerald has basically all-but-suspended his campaign and only failed to do that because it'd mean his name would be out of the papers and that may well be all he has left Tongue

7. Unlike Paul Davis, whose race is probably now toss-up tilt R at worst, there is no chance FitzGerald can still pull out a win. 

8. Unlike Paul Davis, who won't hurt Democrats in the SoS race or Greg Orman in the Senate race even if Brownback wins, it is pretty much a given that FitzGerald will cost many good Democratic candidates their races (ex: the only statewide officer race that is now even remotely competitive is State Treasurer which has gone from Lean D to right on the border between Lean R and Toss-up tilt-R because of FitzGerald).

Study these notes and you should have no trouble with tomorrow's quiz.

Agreed with most of this, but I take issue with 2 and 7. The only evidence which contradicted FitzGerald's version of events was the word of the 911 caller, who easily could've been mistaken or going based solely off assumptions. Just being in a parked car with a woman does not guarantee you're having sex with them. As for 7, I doubt this will effect the race in any way.  If Davis was married at the time, of course, it would be a different story.

Regarding 2, if a man is in a car at 4:00 in the morning in an empty parking lot with a woman who isn't his wife and the person who called the police thought it looked like the man and woman were having sex, what's more likely?  That the man was having an affair or that the woman got lost at 4:00 AM and the man (who also doesn't have a driver's license Tongue ) was helping her find the rest of her group who were at some event at 4:00 AM?  I'd say the former and that's FitzGerald's problem (well...one of them Tongue ): At this point, even if by some freak chance he's telling the truth about that part, the whole thing looks so bad that no one is gonna believe him anyway and that's really what matters here.  Beyond which, the worst thing wasn't the affair, it was the way he tried to hide behind his son's cancer and raise money off it.  Even as far as U.S. politics goes, that was exceptionally sleazy. 

Regarding 7, I think you may've misunderstood what I meant.  I was saying even in the worst case scenario, I can't see the Davis thing doing more than making it toss-up tilt-R.  I personally think the strip club thing moves it from lean-D to pure tossup, but it could easily go right back to lean-D if the next couple of polls show this having had no effect.  My concern is that there are a lot of Republicans who were planning to hold their noses and vote for Davis because they hate Brownback, but are still looking for any excuse to vote against the Democrat.  Kansas being Kansas, this is something that could serve as an excuse to rationalize voting for Brownback or even simply the Libertarian.  Fortunately, I suspect most of the Republicans who would be angriest about this sort of thing are probably already in the Brownback camp, but I could easily see some moderate female Republican voters voting Libertarian over this.  The issue is really that (to oversimplify things a bit) Democrats win in Kansas if they do everything right and the Republican does everything wrong.  That's basically why Brownback and Kobach are in danger.  The Senate race is a freak occurrence and basically uncharted territory.  I'm less confident about Kobach losing because while he's basically done everything wrong, I don't know if his opponent has done everything right or not.  Davis has been running a top-notch campaign, it isn't enough that Brownback's policies were FUBAR.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it isn't fishy. But it's not like he got caught tweeting his dick or had his number in the DC Madam's phonebook. It was never confirmed and he definitely has plausible deniability. Besides, the fact that FitzGerald is a complete and utter prude (passing a polygraph where he said he never smoked weed or drank alcohol once) makes me believe him a bit more than I would believe a typical politician. Obviously there was no excuse for the driver's license thing or the fundraising letter.

Fair enough on Kansas, but I'm skeptical it will even have a slight effect in the polls. I guess we'll see soon enough.

Yeah this is one of the times on this forum that I completely agree with IceSpear on an issue.

Keep in mind that the woman in question was a member of a delegation from County Mayo, Ireland and that they had just left a bar or something.  Sure, it is a bit weird why someone would be out drinking this late, but they're also Irish.  Anyways, Fitz only knew this woman from a few times before from hosting the Mayo Society or whatever it is called.  While one night stands and sex at first sight is not exactly a rare phenomena, FitzGerald's admittance of not having done any substances makes me think that he's too prudeblooded to even consider it.
Even Fundie Baptists have enough pride in their manhood to admit they had a few beers once or twice.

Really, if Ed Fitz did not boff the wasted little colleen. .. ..  that's a real crime.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of William McKinley on: September 29, 2014, 07:24:43 am
Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

Also, just a brief comment here but lol at anyone who voted HP for James Polk and FF for McKinley.  Save for Polk's support of slavery and McKinley's lip service for Civil Rights there was very little difference between the two men's quest to fulfill the White Man's Burden (C)
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of automatic voter registration on: September 29, 2014, 07:18:57 am
Voter registration is a bad idea to begin with. If you can make it to the polls and are above the age of majority, you should be allowed to vote. Just sign your name on a piece of paper afterward so they have a record of you voting. Done.

It worked fairly well for a century and a half in this country, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work in the 21st Century. Voter registration was originally implemented by the 'progressives' to make it harder for immigrant whites (which they considered subhuman), blacks, and people who didn't speak English (a lot of people around the turn of the 20th Century, mind) to vote. Don't think it wasn't an intentional policy carried out to disenfranchise working class people shortly after many states enacted universal male suffrage, because it was. The franchise in America has always been one of the forefronts of the struggle between those who have everything and those who make everything.

The Progressive movement was not "shortly after" the 15th amendment. 

Bad use of words I guess, but the point kind of still stands.  Anti-immigrant outfits like the Know Nothings were among the very first to think that voter registration was a good idea for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who has taken a cursory 30 second glance at their wikipedia page.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of automatic voter registration on: September 29, 2014, 07:17:02 am
I agree mostly with TNF's points (ftr, the Know Nothings (yeah those guys) were the first party to really advocate voter registration. Make of that what you will), but if we have to have voter registration I guess it would be better if the system just auto-registers you (which really kind of defeats the purpose of voter registration in the first place).
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: krazen's son on: September 28, 2014, 04:00:05 pm
Considering that he takes a nice dicking from Murdoch on a daily basis, probably Option 1.

krazen is an extremist queen of the Right.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1920 Presidential Election on: September 28, 2014, 03:05:30 pm
Easy Debs vote here folks.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Bulger on: September 28, 2014, 02:59:23 pm
Auto-HP (default choice for charter school advocates)

That he happened to be related to a mass murderer is beside the point.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Jim Traficant passed away Saturday from injuries in tractor accident Tuesday on: September 27, 2014, 07:51:02 pm
According to Wikipedia, he ran for Congress in 2010 on a promise to get rid of federal income taxes and had become involved with several Tea Party organizations.

So basically he went from being a corrupt, protectionist Democratic HP to being a regressive de facto Republican HP.

He supported abolishing the IRS and getting rid of the income tax for years while he was still in Congress. As far as I see he hadn't really changed much on policy but he found comfort in the Tea Party once he was released from prison.

He was always a conservative Democrat.

Yeah, Traficant always seemed to me to be one of those guys who were registered Democrat because that is what all the dagoes on his side of the bridge registered as more than actual ideology.
12  General Discussion / History / Re: Why is Eisenhower so praised? on: September 27, 2014, 01:48:12 pm
-was the first republian to try and court the segregation racist vote

You are aware that Herbert Hoover, the Great Humanitarian, was actually the first Republican candidate to employ a Southern Strategy, right?

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#19th_century_disfranchisement_and_rise_of_the_Solid_South
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover#Presidential_election_of_1928
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1928
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: September 27, 2014, 07:28:47 am
I, Mechaman, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the office of Mideast Asssemblyman, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the constitution of Atlasia and of the Mideast Region, so help me Dave.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Mideast Governor TJ on: September 27, 2014, 07:15:19 am
Good evening friends.

As almost all of you are aware, I have been remained publically silent about the Mideast Promotion of Marriage in Education Act recently passed by the Assembly. That silence will end tonight. I have been following closely to the words of all those who have contacted me in an effort to persuade me to veto this bill, both respectfully and otherwise. What I have to say will, Iím sure please almost no one, but I cannot continue to cower behind procedure.

To be frank, I do not believe in gay marriage. That much has been common knowledge for some time and my view has not changed.

However, that does not necessarily mean I must support every bill consistent with that opinion regardless of its feasibility or effects. If enacted, this bill would legally require teachers to enunciate an opinion on a moral issue that many of them do not themselves hold. It sets the precedent of establishing the school system as a primary instructor of morality. Done without the proper moral fabric that cannot legally be taught in our schools, it would likely be seen as an aggressive imposition on the students themselves and convince no one. As many folks have suggested in their correspondence with me, it would likely lead to an increase in bullying and stimulate the effective witch hunt of those students thought to be gay by their peers. Furthermore, even if I signed the bill it would almost certainly never take effect. It would give the federal government leverage to dictate its own version of morality in the classroom. It has become quite clear that enacting this bill would not reshape our culture for the better.

Occasionally in the course of our decision making process, we run across a situation where we must decide between a symbolic stand and prudence. Sometimes a desperate stand must be taken if not doing so would require a man to commit an act of intrinsic evil before God who sees all. But when neither option would be an intrinsic evil, such as in this case, prudence must be used to determine the appropriate course of action.

Therefore, I am vetoing the Promotion of Marriage in Education Act.

For better or for worse, the future of morality in this world lies not in the government but in the choices that each and every one of you make in the course of your daily lives and in your relationships. That is not to deny the government a role whatsoever in morality. Nearly every law we pass has some elements of morality in it and always will. There are tasks the government is suited to doing effectively, such as defending human life from conception until natural death. But there are limits to what the government is capable of doing. If you want to change the world the first person you have to change is yourself. For some of us that alone will take a lifetime.

Good night and God Bless. And although they undoubtedly teach you not to say this in politician school, may God have mercy on us. All of us; myself most certainly included.


Well, there goes my future At-Large Senate run Tongue

Thanks man.  This was a good thing.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alfred's Hastily Constructed Cardboard Polling Box: Mideast "Hate Bill" on: September 27, 2014, 07:10:13 am
It is slightly absurd how this attracted such outrage while another bill, which restricted abortion access and legislated for mandatory ultrasounds, that one would have assumed would be equally or more objectionable to the liberal consensus, was entirely ignored.

The government literally mandating that gay kids be taught that they are second-class citizens is more objectionable to me than your run-of-the-mill abortion restriction bill - those are a dime a dozen.

Heavy-handed abortion restrictions should be ignored (or worse, accepted) simply because they are banal?

Oh, no, I'm just saying that the hate bill is an exceptional case. Cats are cute, but everyone loves cats. If there was a guy who thought tuataras were cute, that would be deserving of national attention, but cats wouldn't stop being cute.

I guess I'm not understanding why mandatory medical procedures and denying women control over their bodies do not also qualify as exceptional.

Hifly's ghastly anti-gay bill deserves every bit every bit of condemnation that it receives, but now that it's been pushed into an early grave I can't help feeling disappointed that everyone has overlooked the so-called "Right to Life Act" that passed not long before. This is not a minor issue. We shouldn't ignore women's rights just because there aren't actual women in Atlasia.

Just so everyone is aware, I addressed the "Right to Life Act" right after I got elected.  I do not support the repeal of it's entirety, given that sections 1-3 of that bill give important protection for outsiders in the Mideast.  If anything, I'd like to propose a new piece of legislation that will effectively undo sections 4-7 which place extreme restrictions on a woman's right to get an abortion.

Or, if you feel so inclined, you could pursue legal recourse.  I would feel uncomfortable with the courts striking down a law that gives foreigners civil liberty protections, but if that's what you gotta do. .... . . .just let me know ahead of time so I can prepare a stand alone legislation addressing that.  Also, I am not so sure if there is a Constitutional basis for pursuing a case on the "Right to Life" bill.  I say give those of us in the Mideast Legislature enough time to work out a solution (though admittedly, it would be far from ideal given the ideological leans of the region) on this front.

Hifly says he wants to work with us and has been real amicable.  However, and I mean no offense here, he is out of his mind if he thinks me and Spiral will just let this sh*t slide.  While I did not get elected with a mandate, neither did he.  Out of 18 people who voted in the most recent Mideast Regional Election, only six of them voted for Hifly.  Meanwhile, me and Spiral got a combined ten votes (six for Spiral four for me) in a race that our Governor and Lt. Governor lost a landslide to TJ and Tmthforu.  In other words, 55.6% of the people who voted in the last election voted for a Democratic-Republican agenda in the upcoming Assembly.

I believe it is clear that while the people of the Mideast may not be ready for Green Socialism or whatever the hell I call my ideology now days, they are more open to change than they were in the past.  I should note that the so-called "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act" was a bill that was crafted and rushed through the Legislature in practically record time right after the election.  The "Mideast Right to Life Act" was proposed seven days ago during the middle of the election and passed just two days later.
This is the kind of crazy sh*t people can get away with when you only need one other person (also a moral authoritarian) to pass your agenda.  Like all other recent problems the Mideast has had Inactivity is at the very heart of this.  The people of the Mideast have recently voted, overwhelmingly, to restore the five seat legislature.  They have seen the grave threats that come with a legislature where only 2 votes decides the fate of many.

That left one man, Assemblyman Franzl, to put up a futile defense of the people against the reactionaries who took over the Legislature in the wake of our months of inactivity.  Franzl put up a spirited defense against these forces, going as far as to cast his vote as "HELL NO!" on the "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act".  I feel ashamed for not recognizing his effort earlier, but promise the people of the Mideast that they will be remembered going forward when we pass the "Franzl War Memorial" bill and the "Franzl Day" bill in a couple of weeks.
Thank you Assemblyman, and Dave be with you.

So this I submit to outsiders: I know these recent bills have been horrifying to every decent person.  I know that the cost to Civil Rights in this country by the passage of these laws will hurt many.  And I know it is a bad reflection on the Mideast, with it's recent months of inactivity and regional governance falling apart.  But please know that, while Hifly was re-elected, he does not have the mandate of the people.  These laws were proposed and passed by two fringe Federalists (emphasis, as mainstream Federalists like our Lieutenant Governor Tmthforu and the Federalist Presidential candidate Lumine have condemned the "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act" at the least and our Governor just recently vetoed the law) who saw the writing on the wall.  These laws were passed in spite of the people of the Mideast, not because of them.  If you look at recent polling from this very Cardboard Box the overwhelming majority of Mideasterners (including myself) who have responded hate it.  And I don't expect a great amount of change in the poll numbers as more and more Mideast citizens respond.

EDIT: Just noticed that TJ vetoed the "Promotion of Family in Education" bill.  So hopefully not everything I just said is moot now.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alfred's Hastily Constructed Cardboard Polling Box: Mideast "Hate Bill" on: September 26, 2014, 03:13:33 pm
All I'll say (given that this seems like the kind of thing that could end up in Court at some level) is that the level of outrage seems far out of proportion to what's basically the kind of thing our most conservative region might be reasonably expected to pass.

Not any longer.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which man was the more skilled politician? on: September 26, 2014, 07:28:18 am
LOL @ Clinton winning.  The only reason why his moderate heroic "New Democrat" brand existed in the first place was as a surrender to the austerity politics that have been so easy to push. . . . thanks to Reagan.

You geniuses might as well argue that Eisenhower was a more "skilled" politician than FDR.

Seriously, this is one of the moments where the haskishness of the forum far outweighs it's logical thinking abilities.

Clinton was a socially moderate Ronald Reagan.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Simple Truths Silver Mine on: September 26, 2014, 07:25:21 am
I love all the turds in this thread going on about how being a 'poor' county qualifies it for being one of the worst counties or the worst counties in the country. I would personally say that the worst county is the country is whichever has the highest median income, because that would have the highest concentration of useless social parasites in need of a play date with the National Razor.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Roberts vs. Brownback on: September 26, 2014, 07:08:43 am
Okay, for the record: Libertarians love Brownback...

Your question asked who do they like more.

Does saying you like prostate cancer more than lung cancer mean you "love it"?

Though to be completely fair quite a few of our yellow avatars are pretty horrible people.  So there's also that.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Mideast Voting Booth: Regional Assembly Expansion Amendment on: September 25, 2014, 06:38:33 pm
Aye
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Mideast Governor TJ on: September 25, 2014, 05:25:05 am
Frankly, Mr. Governor, sir, I won't be shocked if you sign this bill. I know you and I disagree on many issues and that basic human dignity for all Atlasians is one of them. However, I beseech thee in the bowels of Christ to veto this bill. This is nothing but an attempt to dehumanize and debase the millions of LGBT students all across your great region and to teach them that they are less than full citizens of this nation, less than human even. I understand that you have your reasons for opposing full civil rights for LGBT Atlasians, but I do hope that you are not so far gone as to make it official government policy that they are worse than their heterosexual brothers and sisters. A marriage is a marriage, no matter how gay, and it is inhumane to demean the millions of happily married gay couples all across the Mideast and Atlasia at-large (including Mr. Flo and myself) to declare us *inherently* worse than couples such as Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries.

I was going to make my own personal appeal, but I guess I can start off with this point.

TJ, I know you subscribe to a very religious Catholic teaching about morality.  However, based off of what I have observed, I stubbornly hold to a belief that you know that using the government in this manner is wrong.  Nobody's life is going to be saved if you sign this into law.

Do.  Not.  Sign.  This.  Legislation.

If you sign this, then it is war.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has PAPOY changed your view of homosexuality? on: September 25, 2014, 05:05:51 am
As for the question: no.  I don't make a habit of going into the PAPOY thread.  It is a very scary place.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has PAPOY changed your view of homosexuality? on: September 25, 2014, 05:03:52 am
Jeez, everyone is acting a bit like sensitive nancies today.

I mean yeah, it is a very good point that you shouldn't let one or two people influence what you think about entire groups in general, but keep in mind who created this thread.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Senator Polnut - the Mideast Hate Bill on: September 24, 2014, 06:40:31 pm
Any suit against the bill will fail, because the law does not violate equal protection or rights clauses. Gay couples are still getting married in Atlasia.

You are missing the point.  This bill is instructing our public schools to preach that non-traditional family structures are inherently inferior to your ideal family structure.  That is in effect a government endorsement of cultural supremacy, something I'm sure we can find a passage against.

Now if this was a private institution preaching such values. . . . . . . then there would be no case.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: October Presidential Race - North Star Polls on: September 24, 2014, 06:15:50 am
It is an ironic situation.

Someone regularly slandered as a "fascist" by his political rivals is going to be running in a Presidential election against an opponent who actually does support the actual, real world far-right (for edgy realpolitik reasons or otherwise) and who will be endorsed by the dominant center-left party.

Such outrageous accusations you fling good sir!

Sources please!
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