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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Republican Nomination Poll - November 2014 on: November 05, 2014, 07:47:28 pm
Just throwing this out there but Brian Sandoval just won re-election with over 70% of the vote.  In Nevada.

Would never make it through the primary.

True.  Isn't he like pro-choice or something?
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Republican Nomination Poll - November 2014 on: November 05, 2014, 07:43:45 pm
Just throwing this out there but Brian Sandoval just won re-election with over 70% of the vote.  In Nevada.
3  General Discussion / History / Re: An Inconvenient History Thread on: November 05, 2014, 06:27:47 pm
Next Update: Understanding the Progressive Movement

Oh, I really can't wait for this!  Say what you want about politics, and I don't care where you fall on the spectrum ... the idea that "conservative" ALWAYS means favoring traditional policies/opposing change and "progressive" always means advancing society forward/abolishing age-old intolerance is disgustingly story-book and doesn't jive with history.  The progressive movement of the early Twentieth Century, for example, had more than its fair share of racist thought.

What do you think the terms "conservative" and "progressive", in the sense of a dichotomy, mean, then?

And Mechaman won't be writing in the sense of a dichotomy, FYI (to my knowledge). Rather, he'll likely pose that progressivism was merely a softer and more proactive form of conservatism designed to curb more radical movements. And for Mechaman, paternalism is a big part of the right. Thus, racist progressives in his eyes will be no better than out-and-out conservatives in their placement on any sort of political matrix.

Just my guess, anyway. If Mech feels any impetus to post here again, he's free to contradict my musings.

Yeah pretty much, though I would argue that the term would later be distorted beyond it's original meaning by some liberals who adopted the term as a means to advance social welfare.

More on that later.  Later hopefully being before the hammer falls down on me.
4  General Discussion / History / Re: An Inconvenient History Thread on: November 05, 2014, 06:23:33 pm
Sorry for the delays.

If I get banned before I can post on here I'll relay my thoughts via Dallasfan or Cathcon.  But the update will happen.
5  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Confession Time: I was The Terminator on: November 05, 2014, 06:18:30 pm
I have Mechaman on ignore anyway.

These words truly hurt my heart outofbox.  You were my hero!  Now that I know you never read my posts and that you have these words on ignore I feel like life is not worth living.

Maybe I need to find more productive means of my time, like taking a bath.  Your words make me feel. . . . dirty.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What happens now? on: November 05, 2014, 12:50:35 pm
Nothing much. It's not like anything of worth was going to happen due to the disaster that is the House anyway. The only significant difference in policy terms is that Obama will have to give himself carpal tunnel via use of the veto pen just to prevent the US turning into Thunderdome.

I'm not sure, but I will say that the absolute guaranteed cakewalk victory for Hillary is far much less of a certainty after last night, which was pretty much a condemnation of "New Democrat" politics.

This should be as much of a condemnation of the pro-Wall Street politics of the party establishment as 1894 was.

yea the Socialist landslide is definitely a sign that americans think obama has gone too far to the right

Obviously I am referring to the people who did not show up, not the people who did.

If you offer the same shit as the other party rewrapped in a pretty package the consumer will eventually realize that it is horseshit.  Twenty some odd years of pursuing the most moderate hero course and what has it gotten the Democrats?

Jack.  Freaking.  Shit.

It's time the party stop acting like it's 1980
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Embittered election postmortem (please let's just have this one thread to vent) on: November 05, 2014, 08:26:13 am
This thread really illustrates why the Democrats lost, imo.

Because we overestimated the American electorate's ability to vote based on what's really important? Yes, I agree.

No, because you didn't emphasize them nearly enough.

I don't see what Nathan's post (or the subsequent Democrats') has anything to do with that.

TO be fair Nathan's post did admit that mistakes were made.  However, the overall impression I get is that "those evil elitists bought everyone off!" when many Democrats, up to today apparently, had been mouthing off about how people who don't vote for them are a bunch of subhuman hicks and were pretty enthusiastic for a Wall Street-in-Chief candidate in 2016.

Yes, this might be an unfair characterization, but the attitudes of Democratic supporters ultimately does have an impact on peoples' perceptions of it.  The sooner the party throws out the WASP supremacists and banker cronies, the much better off it will be.  Contrary to popular opinion.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What happens now? on: November 05, 2014, 08:17:04 am
I'm not sure, but I will say that the absolute guaranteed cakewalk victory for Hillary is far much less of a certainty after last night, which was pretty much a condemnation of "New Democrat" politics.

This should be as much of a condemnation of the pro-Wall Street politics of the party establishment as 1894 was.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What happens now? on: November 05, 2014, 08:06:06 am
Let me reassure everyone:

Replicator is not mine.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Is this why polling was so skewed? on: November 05, 2014, 07:48:24 am
Well possibly that, though I think a better conclusion is that many people just don't like answering freaking phone polling (going back to your point about landline polling and people being "off the grid" so to speak).  I can tell you I've been polled five times in the past two years and I hung up each time.  My parents hang up on pollsters all the time.  My friend who runs several stores in the area never answers phone polls.

I mean really think about it: imagine you are not a political hack or a very polite person and you got a random robocall from CoolPoliticsUSA or whoever when you are in the middle of doing laundry, watching tv, working on a side project for work, playing Skyrim, plotting to kill somebody, etc. etc. how charitable or nice are you going to feel?  Can you seriously tell me that you will be jumping up and down just dying to even entertain Hal 9000 for a few minutes by providing some likely bullshit answers just so you can go back to watching clown porn in peace?

Just my two cents.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Embittered election postmortem (please let's just have this one thread to vent) on: November 05, 2014, 07:30:52 am
This thread really illustrates why the Democrats lost, imo.

Because we overestimated the American electorate's ability to vote based on what's really important? Yes, I agree.

No, because you didn't emphasize them nearly enough.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Embittered election postmortem (please let's just have this one thread to vent) on: November 05, 2014, 06:40:11 am
This thread really illustrates why the Democrats lost, imo.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Good Post Gallery II on: November 05, 2014, 06:35:09 am
A good counter to all the whining:

I'll vent, but in a different manner than others are doing. Really I want to address posts like these:

It's really mystifying to me what the GOP stands for, or why the US electorate saw fit to send 245+ of them in the House.

I don't really understand these results and I can think of a lot of really angry snipes at the Republicans but before I feel comfortable doing that... I still fundamentally don't comprehend what policies, platform, or message they actually have and ran on so successfully.

I cannot comprehend why people would want to vote for such an evil to the roots party.

What a load of crap, to be quite honest. You don't think you understand why people vote this way? Go  listen to Republican voters and hear what they think. Maybe their reasons are facile, or they voted off of falsehood. But reasons are reasons, and we have a duty to reach out.

I can think of many reasons why someone would vote Republican this cycle:
-Given we want to cast a pox on all congresspeople anyway, we may as well vote the ones who are at least promising to shake up the system.
-Incidents from ebola to the secret service have shown how messed up the federal administration is, and we need to elect people to keep them in check.
-We still haven't recovered from the recession, and I like people who promise not to raise taxes.
-None of them seem divisive on social issues, and to hell with the law if they want to regulate our lives anyway. Their character matters most.
-Democrats are a bunch of elitists, litigious and uncaring, and they seem to take pride in it.
-Barack Obama does not represent our values.

And so forth. The Democrats can counter these points, but it takes time. What happened was that the hundreds of millions that could have been spent to counter these points were burnt on social issue zealotry, amassing a turnout that never did materialize. And why would they - after four years of gridlock and getting zero promised improvements, why would the Obama coalition reach out again?

Everyone plays identity politics. Don't hide in your Democrat bastions and pretend as if you can't understand identities outside of your own. Of course you do - take the time to learn it.

You can hide in your states, Democrat bastions, and insult the voters further. The presidency's on the line.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: For Democrats: Is Direct Democracy the Solution? on: November 05, 2014, 06:23:56 am
Democracy is dead in America. We now live in a pure plutocracy with only a facade of democracy. We will have elections, but results will be rigged. Sure, there might be some Democrats winning a Congressional seat, a Senate seat, or a Governorship here or there, but those Democrats will be impotent much like  the tolerated minor parties of the old East Germany. They will not dare seek to pick off support for any legislation from the dominant GOP.

Folks, it was a great run. But it is over. We now have voted ourselves into a system of lords and masters, and those are not feudal relics as in some European countries.   You can trust that the GOP will not allow the Democrats to ever win a majority in either House of Congress, let alone the Presidency.

We screwed ourselves, and unlike the Germans in 1933 we do not have a combination of economic distress and hurt feelings from national mistreatment by victorious powers.  Democracy in America may return in the wake of military defeat as happened in much of Germany in 1945. What's our excuse? Are we more interested in slasher films and Ultimate Fighting than in our political realities?

The best that America can be now is something like Spain under Franco or Portugal under Salazar -- a cheap place for a holiday. We will still have Yellowstone, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, beaches, ski slopes, and such great cities as Boston, New York, Chicago, and San Francisco. But most Americans will be priced out of them -- and timed out of them by having to work 70-hour workweeks for near-starvation wages. America could be a great place to visit but a horrible place to live.

We Americans are going to get much more sophisticated about politics while we become impotent to do anything about them. As propaganda becomes the norm in news and education, those who have IQs above 100 will learn to read between the lines. But too late, as in the Soviet Union. 


This might be one of the last messages I post here, so I'll make it a good one:

Dude, would you please shut the fuck up?!
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Democrats, it's official on: November 05, 2014, 06:12:07 am
You suck.
16  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Confession Time: I was The Terminator on: November 04, 2014, 08:51:21 pm
So you wanted to be banned? Just like jmfcst? If so, I hope you don't make ten billion socks after you're banned.

I'm trying to negotiate the terms of my surrender.  Hopefully my plea for a 3 month ban carries.
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Confession Time: I was The Terminator on: November 04, 2014, 06:44:31 pm
A longer address will be up tonight.

You are not back on the sauce are you?

No I'm not.  Far from it actually.  Let's say a certain special someone in my life wants me as far away from it as possible.  Which I will address in a few lines.

A longer address will be up tonight.

Why?  You're not resigning the presidency of the United States.

Maybe not Joe.  But the people deserve to know exactly why I have willingly violated the laws of the Dave Leip's Atlas Forum.  After everything I've contributed, it is the least I can do especially given the severity of sock puppetry.

Lol. Any particular reason for this?

The truth is, dear paisan, not really.  Let's just say I was in one of my trolling moods and I was thinking about something I could possibly do that could top all my other attempts at trolling.  And then it occurred to me that I had never really attempted to get onto this forum as literally another poster and then play up the part of an election year troll.  I figured that the worst possible consequence was that I would get banned . . . . and it was at this point that I realized that not only did I not fear a banning I had actually begun to welcome getting banned for some time now due to mostly personal issues.  I have recently found that my passion for this forum has died down a lot as other things (Netflix, walking, staying sober, girls, yeah. . . . . ) have begun to take precedence.  I could probably find the willpower to stay away from this place, but I felt that doing an unspeakable horrific act that would result in my expulsion was about the easiest way to do it as well as try my hand at playing a Fox News troll openly.

I do not regret the action of making a sock, just merely that I executed it so poorly.  That I believe is something that I will carry with me to my dying day.  If there is anything I want to apologize to the forum for is the kind of desolation and chaos that is likely to occur in my absence.  And for that I am truly sorry and beg the forgiveness of my forum friends.

Of course, there is a chance that the mods and Dave, humbled by my outright honesty and willingness to cooperate, will just infract me 90 points and put me on mod review for a week or something.  In that case I still won't regret anything but I hope that I will find a way to separate myself from the goingson of this forum unless absolutely necessary.  I just find that this would've been a funner attempt to end up banned than going all Svensson and asking the mods to ban me.

I should be on #atlasforum IRC occasionally.

So yes, basically I wanted to be excised.

Also, let's be frank. . . . who wouldn't want to troll IceSpear?
18  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Confession Time: I was The Terminator on: November 04, 2014, 06:35:07 pm
A longer address will be up tonight.

You are not back on the sauce are you?

No I'm not.  Far from it actually.  Let's say a certain special someone in my life wants me as far away from it as possible.  Which I will address in a few lines.

A longer address will be up tonight.

Why?  You're not resigning the presidency of the United States.

Maybe not Joe.  But the people deserve to know exactly why I have willingly violated the laws of the Dave Leip's Atlas Forum.  After everything I've contributed, it is the least I can do especially given the severity of sock puppetry.

Lol. Any particular reason for this?

The truth is, dear paisan, not really.  Let's just say I was in one of my trolling moods and I was thinking about something I could possibly do that could top all my other attempts at trolling.  And then it occurred to me that I had never really attempted to get onto this forum as literally another poster and then play up the part of an election year troll.  I figured that the worst possible consequence was that I would get banned . . . . and it was at this point that I realized that not only did I not fear a banning I had actually begun to welcome getting banned for some time now due to mostly personal issues.  I have recently found that my passion for this forum has died down a lot as other things (Netflix, walking, staying sober, girls, yeah. . . . . ) have begun to take precedence.  I could probably find the willpower to stay away from this place, but I felt that doing an unspeakable horrific act that would result in my expulsion was about the easiest way to do it as well as try my hand at playing a Fox News troll openly.

I do not regret the action of making a sock, just merely that I executed it so poorly.  That I believe is something that I will carry with me to my dying day.  If there is anything I want to apologize to the forum for is the kind of desolation and chaos that is likely to occur in my absence.  And for that I am truly sorry and beg the forgiveness of my forum friends.

Of course, there is a chance that the mods and Dave, humbled by my outright honesty and willingness to cooperate, will just infract me 90 points and put me on mod review for a week or something.  In that case I still won't regret anything but I hope that I will find a way to separate myself from the goingson of this forum unless absolutely necessary.  I just find that this would've been a funner attempt to end up banned than going all Svensson and asking the mods to ban me.

I should be on #atlasforum IRC occasionally.

So yes, basically I wanted to be excised.
19  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Confession Time: I was The Terminator on: November 04, 2014, 12:46:09 pm
A longer address will be up tonight.
20  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Confession Time: I was The Terminator on: November 04, 2014, 12:45:12 pm
Yes yes I know, how could I?  Well it was pretty damn easy actually and I enjoyed it.  And then I realized that it actually kind of sucked and that Daveboy muted my troll account.

I've since made a personal apology to Bacon King and have stated that I will accept whatever punishment the mods give me.

My fellow Atlasians, thank you for your understanding.

Mechaman
21  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Sexual harassment? on: November 04, 2014, 08:23:24 am
At the end of the video it says that over 100 instances of "verbal street harassment" took place.  I strongly disagree with that.  Maybe if they did include the "countless whistles and winks" I would agree, however simply saying "hi" or "how you doing?" or even politely acknowledging a woman's beauty with "Hey beautiful" is not harassment.  Especially if the guy who said it acknowledges that she has no interest and goes about his day.

I know this is the Atlas Forum and that you get crucified for even acknowledging that you enjoy the appearance of attractive women, but much of this done in a very intellectually dishonest way.  I mean yes, she did not at all deserve the creeps who were following her.  She did not deserve the men who were demanding she smile at them or give them her phone number.  She did not deserve the many harassing comments she got on youtube and facebook.  That is wrong.

Unfortunately, in their attempt to combat "street harassment", the feminist group "Hollaback" has also somehow come out in defense of something I like to call "hot woman privilege".  Does the woman have a right to be hot?  Hell yes she does!  Does the woman have a right to wear whatever the hell she wants, including ass tight jeans?  Hell yes she does!  However, that it's considered harassment to even say hi to such a very pretty woman is testament to another double standard inherent in American society.  Maybe if Hollaback or some other group releases a video of a "plain Jane" doing the same experiment with a lot less comments and whistles I'll be less judgmental of the overall goal to depict male society in America as deeply flawed and forcing an unreasonable standard on women.  Because while saying "hi" is considered sexual harassment to some, I'd bet there are a lot of women and girls out there who would love to hear a guy say hello to them or want to hang out with them but are ignored by tons of men just because they don't fit the Cosmo/Maxim definition of beauty.
* Mechaman in a very successful relationship with a very beautiful young woman.  Please no MRA accusations.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Richest American Series #1: Bill Gates ($81.6B) on: November 01, 2014, 12:26:07 pm
FF if for no other reason than his charity....
some highlights:
1.3B to fight AIDS,Tuberculosis and Malaria
86M to fight Polio
750M to vaccines and immunisation
27M to vaccine against Japanese encephalitis
287M to AIDS research
280M to TB vaccinations
12M to US libraries
167M to Cornell,Canegie Mellon and MIT for buildings
122M to college students from DC
1.5B to the United Negro College Fund
71M to Planned Parenthood

Bill Gates is a FF just for this alone, his donations must have saved thousands of lives.

Oh yes, his donations to save thousands after robbing millions.

How thoughtful.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which will be harder to fix: New Orleans after Katrina or Detroit, Michigan on: November 01, 2014, 07:56:16 am
Detroit, and I really don't see how it's even close.

New Orleans, in spite of everything that happened to it, is turning out to be one of the great stories of hope and optimism in the history of the early 21st century.  The city's population has gone down but by now NO is a healthy functioning city and it is clear that the people there have an immense pride in it.  Surely events like the victory of the Saints in the 2010 Superbowl (their only victory ever) should be huge morale boosters.

You cannot say the same about Detroit, which seems to have been on a taildive since the 1970s.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are you concerned about ethics in video game journalism? on: November 01, 2014, 07:39:44 am
lolvideogamejournalism

I wasn't aware that this was a thing until Snowstalker brought it up one time in IRC chat.  Really, most of the people involved in video game journalism are kind of self-embarrassments but that should be obvious to anyone.  While I don't agree with the hyper-feminist crowd that insists that we need to get rid of the hooker scenes in Grand Theft Auto games, Princess Peach needs to wear coveralls, or that Lara Croft needs to wear a professional business suit and be put in a game where she is the new Human Resources Director at a corporation that sells excavation equipment, it's clear there is a pretty obvious MRA element in the "ethics" movement (like the fact that they bother to attack such ideas so thoroughly in the first place).

So yeah, not really.  Bring up ethics where it actually matters.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you have sided with in the Hard Hat Riot of 1970? on: November 01, 2014, 07:10:18 am
As for this poll, the university students of course.

The AFL-CIO by that time was a joke and a tool of reactionaries.  George Meany, in particular, was a reactionary who had a hardon about the commies in the organization.
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