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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post something you admire about the previous poster on: September 17, 2014, 06:41:13 pm
His sanity in a world gone insane.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: October Presidential Race - North Star Polls on: September 17, 2014, 07:33:27 am
I'd vote for Labor over Lumine.

Sorry buddy, ideology.  DemPGH is probably one of the few Labor members who I see eye to eye on the issues (or at least how we should operate in a capitalist economy in transition to full scale socialism), Tyrion seems like he'd be a very competent president, and while AG is a hack who could make Bill Tweed blush with his electoral mechanisms (I'm sorry did I just say that out loud) we see eye to eye on the overall objectives we'd like to see for this country.

Now if a left wing DR was running like Dallasfan I'd probably prefer him over the Labor candidates.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you wish Pat Quinn were your state's governor? on: September 17, 2014, 05:23:01 am
"Do you wish you had AIDS instead?"
4  General Discussion / History / Re: "Americanism" and the US Presidential Election of 1916 on: September 17, 2014, 05:12:35 am
To add onto what pendragon said, Wilson at first was actually very good at combating the ethnic nationalists within his own party's ranks.  You have to remember that 1916 had not only World War I in full swing, but the Easter Rising had occurred in April of that year and many Irish Americans were pissed at Wilson for his Anglophile foreign policy.  Irish Independence leaders in the US went as far as to throw their weight behind Charles Evans Hughes, a Republican (the horror), because he was at least "an honorable man".  Wilson, the great politician he was, equated those leaders with unAmericanism.  Now this is where reverse psychology comes in, as the nationalist publications in the US started publishing Wilson's remarks widely and proudly hoping that it made the case to vote against Wilson.  However, given that "Americanism" was in vogue during the Progressive Era (Wilson, as Pendragon noted, was simply adopting Teddy Roosevelt's earlier statements and making it appeal to Democratic voters) this helped make voting for Hughes seem "UnAmerican".

The author of the weblink notes that the results are kind of vague, but I believe that Wilson's strategy was pretty successful.  He was pretty close in several New England states (a rarity for Democrats even up to the 1920s), doing better in Maine, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Connecticut than he did in New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey (an extremely rare occurrence).  Methinks he might've won over third and fourth generation ethnic voters, particularly the lace curtains, who viewed the later waves of immigrants as a bunch of bitter radicals (kind of an "oh no we're not with them" effect) as well as a few crossover WASP types who might've felt he was more pro-American than Hughes.

However, Wilson's "Americanism" would end up backfiring in a pretty bad way later on, as the results of 1920 show.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of NJ Christian on: September 17, 2014, 04:38:04 am
He's not worthy of a vote.

But seriously, in my view he hasn't really said anything that really deserves a vote yet.  I mean I definitely don't think he's a freedom fighter, but I really don't feel compelled to waste a few seconds of my life to log onto here, vote HP, and then insert the usual "die Sh*thead! Die!" remark.

That, and as CrabCake commented, I think he's trying way too hard to be shocking.  Voting HP might be giving him what he wants.  In that case I adamantly refuse.

Which is why, of course, I wasted five minutes coming up with this post explaining why I didn't vote.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 538 Model Debut: 64% Chance of Republican Majority; R+7 Most Likely on: September 16, 2014, 06:05:38 am
Ugh god, I said I wouldn't comment on any more Congressional threads, but I just love the defense of the Almighty Saint Silver that is going on here.  "OH he can't predict everything correctly!"  Nevermind that his entire approach to predicting politics is based off of a misguided belief that everything comes down to some kind of statistical mathematic formula or some sh*t like that.

When you start to think that everything can be explained by numbers and formulas you are arguably as stupid as people who believe that the Earth is a giant solar cracker.  No matter how many MIT degrees you may hold.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of President Pro Tempore LumineVonReuental (Victory) on: September 15, 2014, 10:01:41 pm
Senator,

congratulations once again.  The fortunes are smiling on you.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine for President! - A New Course for Atlasia on: September 15, 2014, 10:00:36 pm
Senator,

Good luck.

*not an endorsement*
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Mechaman's Great Sobriety Thread on: September 15, 2014, 06:05:34 pm
Long belated update:

Well I'm turning into a nervous wreck lately.  I'm going to stay off most of the forum for the indefinite future.  I'll update some of my timelines and (if I win the ME Assembly race) do stuff in Atlasia.  But most other stuff I'm going to stay away from in the hopes that I can get a life and get my mind off stressful things.

-Mechaman
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of 9/11 Jokes on: September 15, 2014, 08:35:32 am
As for why I don't do those things, well I got to make ends meet.  In this country you kind of have to have a job where you can afford food and sh*t.  If I don't have the money, how am I going to help the poor and the oppressed Tongue?  I do give money to charities and participate in local non-profit organizations in the area that tackle problems like sexual slavery and starving children in Africa (though more as a part time member), so I'm much more than just a hashtag activist like you say.

There are more ways to help the poor and oppressed than just donating money. That's good and all, but you can also go to an actual charity and volunteer your time and physical labor doing what needs to be done. The charity I work for is doing just fine in terms of monetary donations; it's the warehouse overflowing with donations that needs volunteers to help to make the store and charity viable. Just Google charities in your area or ask around for one that needs help, and check out their finances to make sure they're legit.

I as more addressing X post which seemed to imply that because I wasn't workin full time to combat poverty Im a hypocrite.  In that very post you linked I said I worked with organization that combats sexual slavery.  My bigger point was more to address what I saw as a strawman used by some people to chastise liberals who make money while making anti poverty statements.

And mostly that point being in this country not everyone can go full time activist when you have to survive in order to do so. (yet another anti-capitalist point)
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Unofficial Atlas Census on: September 15, 2014, 02:02:22 am
Straight Cis White Male who works a full time job with household income of less than $50thou a year 18-35 years old currently not a student who refuses your bourgeois ideology labels who doesn't have a basement to lock Dave in.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: LA Gubernatorial Election, 1991: Roemer makes the runoff instead of Duke on: September 15, 2014, 01:22:37 am
Roemer because he's not Edwards.

Yeah I feel kind of dirty voting in this poll in the first place, but if given two choices Roemer is the lesser evil.  Though he's probably more conservative or whatever, he at least isn't a walking dictionary definition of political corruption.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Myths of 1992 on: September 15, 2014, 01:17:18 am
Yes/Yes on both.

People seem to forget things like:

a) a failing economy
b) "voter fatigue"
c) Bush pandering to the far right
d) Bush coming off as a bit aloof about point a.
e) the infamous "Culture Wars" Speech (though that could go along with point c)
f) And who can forget "NO NEW TAXES" or "It's the Economy, Stupid"?

And that's just off the top of my head.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of KCDem on: September 15, 2014, 01:02:27 am
I tried to think of something to say about KCDem, but Sawx probably said it best:

I'm guessing KCDem is that kid on Xbox calling you gay and telling you that he banged your mom.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: hifly15 vs Alec Baldwin Twitter Account on: September 14, 2014, 07:51:54 pm
Alec Baldwin's Twitter Account/Alec Baldwin's Twitter Account

It provides an actual service to mankind.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence - The Official Atlas Forum mock referendum on: September 14, 2014, 03:56:55 pm
Funny because the Tories would love Scottish independence.

Thanks again for demonstrating that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence - The Official Atlas Forum mock referendum on: September 14, 2014, 03:35:20 pm
Doesn't everybody love how BRTD thinks it's nationalistic for Scottish people to vote against remaining in the UK but not at all nationalistic for Scotland to stay in the UK due to "muh UNITED KINGDOM!" or that "we are all in this thing together!"?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich vs. O'Malley on: September 14, 2014, 02:21:51 pm
Guys,

Martin O'Malley is a horrifically boring candidate.  That is not hackery, that is an objective observation.  He is easily this generation's Michael Dukakis.

[/someone who is not a far right wing Republican who pines for Old Dixie]

Though let's be fair, John Kasich isn't a Reagan 2.0 either.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Simple Truths Silver Mine on: September 14, 2014, 07:48:56 am
From the same thread as Tony posted from:

I love this thread. This thread truly represents what the Atlas Forum really is about during an election. Just people calling each other idiots and retards and hacks left and right, angered and incensed about the most meaningless of nonsense nothingness. God Bless Atlas.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence - The Official Atlas Forum mock referendum on: September 14, 2014, 07:25:52 am
You guys do realize that the economic arguments you are using for why Scotland should not leave the UK are similar to points made by anti-Free Staters in the 1920s as to why the Irish Free State would be a failure, right?
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence - The Official Atlas Forum mock referendum on: September 13, 2014, 08:52:38 pm
Absolutely.
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of 9/11 Jokes on: September 13, 2014, 10:30:32 am
And yeah if you can't figure it out I'm one of those bastards who voted positive.  Why you may ask?  Well because it's been 13 years and the effects of the hypernationalism created by an event that would've never happened because of hypernationalism in the first place is still felt to this day.  We grieve and mourn for 3,000 people who died in a terrorist bombing 13 years ago yet there is not one day of rememberance for the millions we killed in westward expansion, there is not one day in rememberance of the millions who have died in Asia as a direct and indirect result of American imperialism, and we seriously think that we can make up everything we did to black people by giving them a month out of the year to "celebrate their heritage".

So yes, it was tragic for maybe for up to a year after it happened, afterwards it's just become a rallying day for rahrahrahrahrah rahrahrahrahrah rahrahrahrahrahrahrahrahrah Americanism.  In my mind there is no concept that deserves to be mocked more in this country.

Besides, I saw better special effects in the "Moon Landing" video and the Benghazi one at least had guns.  9/11?  More like "call 911 cause a crime has been committed!"  amiriteguise?

Very Brave!  So Much Edginess!  Roll Eyes

Seriously dude, get over yourself.  The True Left spiel in your post did about as much for the victims of slavery and imperialism as liking some random Facebook post does to end world hunger.  If you really want to help then become a community activist, join the peace corps, adopt a young child from an orphanage and raise him/her well and provide the child with opportunities he/she never had, etc.  If you can't do anything like that, carve spend like eight hours a week helping at soup kitchens or something.  My point is don't post self-rightious rants on some internet forum; if you really care, do something that will actually have a meaningful impact.  Otherwise, you're just a True Leftist version of a hashtag activist patting himself on the back for wearing a "Save Darfur" bracelet or liking a one sentence Facebook post that says "Like this post if you think using child soldiers is bad."  But whatever, the important thing is that True Lefts can tell themselves they're morally superior to everyone else, right?

Don't get me wrong Mecha, you're generally a pretty good (albeit occasionally a little out there) poster, but that was a pretty disgusting post you made on multiple levels.



This may shock you, but perhaps you're right.  Perhaps posting on this forum isn't the best thing for my mental and physical health.

As for why I don't do those things, well I got to make ends meet.  In this country you kind of have to have a job where you can afford food and sh*t.  If I don't have the money, how am I going to help the poor and the oppressed Tongue?  I do give money to charities and participate in local non-profit organizations in the area that tackle problems like sexual slavery and starving children in Africa (though more as a part time member), so I'm much more than just a hashtag activist like you say.
Though I do concede it is a bit self-righteous grandstanding.  In my defense though, I'm one of the few posters on here who will admit he's full of sh*t when the time calls for it.  I guess that is what makes me so amicable.

My main point is that actions do have consequences, whether you (or a few other people on here) want to admit it or not.  It's unfortunate and I feel like we as a nation still haven't learned that.  Should we have sung "Kumbaya" with the people who bombed the World Trade Center?  Probably not.  However, it would be best if we could use the eleventh going forward to perhaps learn from our enemies, learn exactly why they hate us beyond tv talking points, and what real solutions besides create massive military budget deficits policing half the globe can be used to bring peace to the world.  Maybe I should've been more reasonable at first, but it was early and when I saw Carl's post I was in a pretty vindictive mood.

Otherwise, we aren't much better than the British were in the 19th century, who used very similar rationale to justify their empire.

Except Al-Qaeda doesn't hate us because of imperialism or human rights or anything like that.  They believe that anyone who doesn't share their religious and ideological worldview must be destroyed, no ifs, ands, or buts.  It is a fundamental postulate of their worldview, as is the idea that they are doing God's work and that God will reward them with paradise when they die.  I know this is a slight oversimplification (ex: they were angry about us having troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, IIRC), but only in semantic ways.  Given that Al-Qaeda truly believes what I just described, they cannot be bought, reasoned, or negotiated with any more than ISIS or Nazi true believers (ex: Joseph Goebbels, Alfred Rosenberg, Julius Stricher, etc).  

I "understand" what their so-called reasons for attacking us are in the context of their worldview, but it does change the fact that I have literally no sympathy for them whatsoever.  I still see Al-Qaeda as enemies and the type of enemies that simply need to be destroyed or incapacitated to the point that they are incapable of functioning in any remotely significant capacity.  Are there things we can and should be doing like not letting private contractors like Blackwater kill civilians with impunity, never torture people, work to minimize civilian casualties in drone strikes when possible, and not doing stupid things like invading Iraq and arming every Syrian group we can find that isn't directly affiliated with Assad or ISIS?  Absolutely.  That said, our failure to conduct certain aspects of this war as we should doesn't excuse anything Al-Qaeda is doing!  

I should also add that this isn't some leftist group fighting for the rights of an oppressed minority or to liberate a colony (not that their tactics would be justified were that the case).

Again way to strawman the actual point.

I'm not arguing that Al Qaeda are heroes, I'm arguing that US actions in the Middle East and other areas can be linked to the rise of said groups and inevitably why they (as PRs post demonstrates) they chose to attack NYC in that particular day instead of say bomb another Jewish discotheque in Tel Aviv.  Even if you believe in pragmatic foreign policy it isn't that hard to see that there would be blowback from playing policeman in the way we did during Reagan and Clinton.

To be fair ISIS is pretty horrible and more Bushs fault than Obama's.

If you insist on continuing to grossly misinterpret our points, consider this debate finished.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of 9/11 Jokes on: September 12, 2014, 09:09:22 pm
And yeah if you can't figure it out I'm one of those bastards who voted positive.  Why you may ask?  Well because it's been 13 years and the effects of the hypernationalism created by an event that would've never happened because of hypernationalism in the first place is still felt to this day.  We grieve and mourn for 3,000 people who died in a terrorist bombing 13 years ago yet there is not one day of rememberance for the millions we killed in westward expansion, there is not one day in rememberance of the millions who have died in Asia as a direct and indirect result of American imperialism, and we seriously think that we can make up everything we did to black people by giving them a month out of the year to "celebrate their heritage".

So yes, it was tragic for maybe for up to a year after it happened, afterwards it's just become a rallying day for rahrahrahrahrah rahrahrahrahrah rahrahrahrahrahrahrahrahrah Americanism.  In my mind there is no concept that deserves to be mocked more in this country.

Besides, I saw better special effects in the "Moon Landing" video and the Benghazi one at least had guns.  9/11?  More like "call 911 cause a crime has been committed!"  amiriteguise?

Very Brave!  So Much Edginess!  Roll Eyes

Seriously dude, get over yourself.  The True Left spiel in your post did about as much for the victims of slavery and imperialism as liking some random Facebook post does to end world hunger.  If you really want to help then become a community activist, join the peace corps, adopt a young child from an orphanage and raise him/her well and provide the child with opportunities he/she never had, etc.  If you can't do anything like that, carve spend like eight hours a week helping at soup kitchens or something.  My point is don't post self-rightious rants on some internet forum; if you really care, do something that will actually have a meaningful impact.  Otherwise, you're just a True Leftist version of a hashtag activist patting himself on the back for wearing a "Save Darfur" bracelet or liking a one sentence Facebook post that says "Like this post if you think using child soldiers is bad."  But whatever, the important thing is that True Lefts can tell themselves they're morally superior to everyone else, right?

Don't get me wrong Mecha, you're generally a pretty good (albeit occasionally a little out there) poster, but that was a pretty disgusting post you made on multiple levels.



This may shock you, but perhaps you're right.  Perhaps posting on this forum isn't the best thing for my mental and physical health.

As for why I don't do those things, well I got to make ends meet.  In this country you kind of have to have a job where you can afford food and sh*t.  If I don't have the money, how am I going to help the poor and the oppressed Tongue?  I do give money to charities and participate in local non-profit organizations in the area that tackle problems like sexual slavery and starving children in Africa (though more as a part time member), so I'm much more than just a hashtag activist like you say.
Though I do concede it is a bit self-righteous grandstanding.  In my defense though, I'm one of the few posters on here who will admit he's full of sh*t when the time calls for it.  I guess that is what makes me so amicable.

My main point is that actions do have consequences, whether you (or a few other people on here) want to admit it or not.  It's unfortunate and I feel like we as a nation still haven't learned that.  Should we have sung "Kumbaya" with the people who bombed the World Trade Center?  Probably not.  However, it would be best if we could use the eleventh going forward to perhaps learn from our enemies, learn exactly why they hate us beyond tv talking points, and what real solutions besides create massive military budget deficits policing half the globe can be used to bring peace to the world.  Maybe I should've been more reasonable at first, but it was early and when I saw Carl's post I was in a pretty vindictive mood.

Otherwise, we aren't much better than the British were in the 19th century, who used very similar rationale to justify their empire.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Campaign Trail: Post Your Maps! on: September 12, 2014, 07:28:27 pm
Rendezvous with Tricky Dick



Candidate   Electoral Votes   Popular Votes   Popular Vote %
---- Richard Nixon   405   33,009,113   44.9%
---- Hubert H. Humphrey   79   29,739,997   40.5%
---- George Wallace   53   10,752,198   14.6%

I ran with Ronald Reagan as my VP choice with a moderate conservative law and order campaign.  I emphasized "accountability", attacked inflation, took a very strong stance on the riots, took a moderate position on Affirmative Action and busing, said I would keep troop levels in Vietnam at current levels while pursuing peace, said that Johnson handled the war wrong but Tet Offensive was bad for the Viet Cong, etc. etc. etc.  I had a pretty good lead in many Midwest states before we sabotaged the Peace Talks, which might've helped with the landslide.

Closest States:

Michigan

Richard Nixon   1,554,784   46.46   21
Hubert H. Humphrey   1,554,587   46.46   0
George Wallace   236,895   7.08   0

New York
Richard Nixon   3,173,843   46.24   43
Hubert H. Humphrey   3,157,071   46.00   0
George Wallace   532,945   7.76   0

Texas:
Hubert H. Humphrey   1,311,981   41.94   25
Richard Nixon   1,298,163   41.50   0
George Wallace   518,212   16.57   0

South Carolina:
George Wallace   245,213   35.89   8
Richard Nixon   242,152   35.44   0
Hubert H. Humphrey   195,817   28.66   0

Pennsylvania:
Richard Nixon   2,053,861   43.77   29
Hubert H. Humphrey   2,032,397   43.31   0
George Wallace   606,320   12.92   0

Maryland:
Richard Nixon   576,145   45.05   10
Hubert H. Humphrey   560,089   43.80   0
George Wallace   142,598   11.15   0

Washington:
Richard Nixon   600,814   46.76   9
Hubert H. Humphrey   583,851   45.44   0
George Wallace   100,131   7.79   0

West Virginia:
Hubert H. Humphrey   339,303   46.08   7
Richard Nixon   328,411   44.60   0
George Wallace   68,598   9.32   0

Tennessee:
Richard Nixon   476,841   36.41   11
George Wallace   447,156   34.14   0
Hubert H. Humphrey   385,680   29.45   0

Maine:
Hubert H. Humphrey   193,434   49.97   3
Richard Nixon   179,217   46.30   1
George Wallace   14,446   3.73   0
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of 9/11 Jokes on: September 12, 2014, 06:00:38 pm
Well, looking back this morning I think I offer several of you a sincere apology.  It's not hard to say you're sorry, but here goes:

I'm sorry your friends and family members died because of decades of US Imperialism around the globe that killed millions of men, women and children that helped bring about the kind of cultural resentment that made 9/11 possible.  Again I'm very sorry that Uncle Sam killed your friends.
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