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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gilmore to announce candidacy "later this week" on: Today at 07:26:51 am
2  General Politics / Economics / Which of these is most responsible for job creation? on: Today at 07:15:51 am
Yes, there is a point to be made here.
3  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / petition to ban everybody on: July 22, 2015, 02:47:38 pm
Obviously, this is the safest way to insure nothing bad happens here.

X Mechaman
4  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Workers Party on: July 22, 2015, 07:23:19 am
X Mechaman

I would suggest adding in something about the exploitation of land, naturally.
5  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: A new Mock Parliament on: July 22, 2015, 07:18:34 am
I'm in bitches.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: July 22, 2015, 07:11:03 am
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Union of Atlasian Socialist Republics: Posadas was right on: July 21, 2015, 07:25:14 pm

We are under heavy fire!  Capitalist dogs apparently don't react well to murdering public officials!  Need place to hide!

Got some pretty good dope bros.  Just throwing this out there.


Comrade Mecha, General of the Southern Armies.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The "Let's Get the Show on the Road and Not Act Like Idiots" Coalition on: July 21, 2015, 07:10:17 pm
By the order of the Great Proleteriat and by the orders of the Head Chairman TNF:

I'm afraid I got some bad news.  This coalition is officially fake and gay.  Therefore I am ordering you all to disperse and go home or face immediate liquidation.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

-Commander in Chief of the Southern Front Comrade Mechaman, headquarters in Panama City Beach dudes.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Leinad, Southern Legislator-Elect on: July 21, 2015, 07:03:38 pm
Nice talk bro.
* Mechaman pulls out gun and fires.

Whoops, Leinad is dead!  Looks like we need a special election!  Sorry for killing him folks, TNF made me do it.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: POST HERE IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MOD on: July 20, 2015, 07:52:16 pm
x Mechaman

Face it, you deserve this.
11  General Discussion / History / Re: Historical political party platforms, 1840-2008 on: July 20, 2015, 07:26:37 am
Other then social issues the parties basically have been the same for the past 100 years

Outside the south Democrats were arguably always the more socially tolerant party with Republicans more likely to support blue laws etc.

Yes, but this is all very inconvenient to the narrative of WASP historians so your point is moot.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1856: Fremont/Dayton vs Pierce/Davis vs Filmore/Donelson on: July 15, 2015, 06:12:29 pm
Given how spectacularly unpopular Pierce was, probably something like:


Fillmore takes the South, Fremont takes most of the North and California, and Pierce takes the middle slave states and the more conservative parts of New England.

No just no.  First off, those would not have been the "more conservative" parts of New England at the time (hell, the Know Nothings did best at the local and state levels in 1854 in Massachusetts and Rhode Island).  Second, if those states voted quite strongly for Fremont without Pierce running for re-election I fail to see how Pierce would somehow win them with the slavery issue as prevalent as it was.  Pierce was less popular than AIDS and Gonorrhea at this point in time and no amount of homeboy effect would help him in late 1850s New Hampshire.  Things had radically changed during Pierce's presidency to the point where voting for a Democrat in New England was thought of as a borderline sin.  Pierce's residency would have little effect besides rallying immigrants to the voting base in fear of the Know Nothing candidacy who would otherwise feel alienated by Buchanan's moderate hero aerobics on that matter (1856 might be the first and only election where the Democratic candidate attacked the Republican for being too pro-papist).

Also, I am not certain the Know Nothings would have THAT much appeal in the South.  They only won Maryland largely by being the main alternative to Democrats in those states.  Pierce is going to win at least a few of those states (Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, you get the idea) who will vote for whichever candidate is seen as the most favorable to the traditional Jacksonian program (which does include slavery).  With the slavery issue at the top of everyone's minds I doubt many would prefer a party whose main appeal was to anti-Irish racists and protestants supremacists that only had a very moderate hero stance on the slavery issue.  Fillmore might get a few more votes just for being known as the Great Compromiser, but outside of that I see it looking more like this:

Pierce still loses, but slavery was too big of an issue and the Know Nothings made the most MH stance on the issue.  That would not help them down south.
13  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Affirmative Consent Laws on: July 14, 2015, 11:48:17 pm
Buhbut TNF!  How will I know when it's okay to unhook those thingies on a girl's bra unless a signed contract from the University of Berkeley Women's Studies Department head tells me?!
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Challenge: Get Vermont to vote Republican again on: July 13, 2015, 07:08:04 am
Now, as someone who has pointed out the demographic changes before, I don't believe that should be interpreted as the sole major reason why Vermont is voting Democratic.  In terms of ethnicity French/French Canadian, English, and "American" still make up almost half the population, there are a lot less Jewish people than in neighboring Massachusetts, and Vermont is probably the least Catholic it has been in half a century.  What is changing is not only that more people are moving in, but that the people moving in are influencing many of the people (especially younger Vermonters) who are "native" to that state.  I believe this would explain, for instance, the 34% of the population that reports as having "No Religion".

But anyway, Vermont has been and always will be an odd duck.  Back in the early days of the Republic when the rest of New England was heavily Federalist Vermont had a tendency to be lean DR.  Hell, Vermont even elected people who would have no business being a dog catcher in Massachusetts much less an elected US Congressman at the time.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Rate the Presidents, Installment #32: Franklin Delano Roosevelt on: July 10, 2015, 05:57:23 am
Interesting note:

Nobody gave FDR three stars.  This might have affected his overall rating. He's really a "love it or hate it" president.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Challenge: Get Vermont to vote Republican again on: July 09, 2015, 07:32:26 am
Vermont isn't just more Democratic than it's ever been, it's more liberal.  There's a sizable "Take Back Vermont" movement, and if you talk to older Vermonters (keep in mind even in the biggest Democratic landslides, you have about 40% supporting the Republican), you'll notice they're not as pleased with the trend of the '70s, '80s and '90s, which saw liberal New Yorkers (Howard Dean, anyone?) and folks escaping Taxachusetts and Connecticut to go to the scenic and rather "undisturbed" Vermont.  There have also been quite a few VT Republicans and former Republicans who have been turned off by social conservatives gaining more influence in the GOP.  Combine those two things and you get a Democratic VT.

So, you'd need BOTH of these to happen to get VT back in the Republican column:

1) The GOP to become significantly more moderate on cultural and social issues.

2) An influx of more conservative voters and/or more liberal voters moving away.

Here's what I don't get...if it's really demographic changes during that time that caused VT to go Dem, how did Johnson not only win it in '64, but win it by a bigger margin than his national one?

I think demographic changes played some role, but something else happened.

Something else did happen, and that was my second point.  But people can't make statements like "VT went solid Dem in '64" or "MS went solid GOP in '72" with any real point attached because so did every other state...

But it's of interest whether a state goes for the party by a bigger or smaller margin than the nation as a whole did. Vermont had never voted for a Democrat, but voted for LBJ over Goldwater by a 32-point margin as opposed to the national 23-point margin. If LBJ'S Vermont margin had been the same or less than his national margin, then I agree it wouldn't really be of interest. Something about Goldwater really turned off New England voters a generation before New England would actually be thought of as Democratic region.

Civil Rights issue, duh.  Goldwater's stance on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, even if he had an exceptional record before, kind of made him political poison to New Englanders.  It didn't even help him with working class racists who preferred the Democratic Party normally because a) his economic record was also very right wing (New England blue collars were/probably still are some of the most unionized groups in American society), and b) they really didn't see the point of it as minorities in general knew to avoid "that part of town" anyway.

Really, the 1960's GOP chose some of the worst candidates to appeal to New Englanders.  In 1960 they decided to nominate Nixon/Lodge.  Nixon got his name from being a huge red baiter and an advocate of conservatism (I got to laugh at people who think he was the more liberal candidate in 1960, I mean come on) while the Lodge name wasn't exactly as grand as it used to be in Massachusetts (many ethnics would reflexively vote against anyone whose last name was "Lodge" and even many New England WASPs would vote for Kennedy because of his moderate pragmatic record and the prestige his record brought the region.  Really, a no winner).  Of course, Lodge was nominated largely for his foreign policy accolades more than anything as Nixon desperately needed a runningmate who could make him look good on international issues as well as carry some appeal with more moderate and liberal Republicans.

1964 was even worse, as Goldwater's extreme right wing views turned off most moderate and liberal New Englanders in droves.  If they weren't outraged by his Civil Rights views they would certainly be outraged by his economic ones (hell, Alaska voted against him in landslide margins because he wouldn't even support disaster relief for the state after the 1964 Anchorage Earthquake).  Really, here is where you got a generation of people in New England who were strongly opposed to Republicanism and I think I heard somewhere that Massachusetts is one of the only states in the union where people over 65 vote more Democratic than any other age group.

1968?  Well, Nixon again with Agnew versus Hubert Humphrey and Edmund Muskie.  This time it was more advantage Democrat than it was the GOP ticket being unappealing (though that did have some effect).  Muskie was a well known and popular "moderate" governor of Maine who was on the forefront of the environmental reform movement.  Humphrey was, in addition to being a champion of Civil Rights, one of the biggest cheerleaders of organized labor and one of the key advocates for the AFL-CIO.  It also didn't help that Nixon made a point of bashing intellectual "elites" and had a hardon for Harvard.  Thus again, the GOP chose candidates that did not appeal to moderate upper class whites who in the past voted for them largely on the Civil Rights issue and at the same time could not appeal to somewhat reactionary working class whites who were still pretty favorable to Democratic dominated unions.

In 1972, when the widely reviled by unions but still closet commie George McGovern was nominated by Democrats, that gave the GOP an opening with upper middle class folk and pro-union working class whites and united them against a made up strawman of radical intellectuals, closet homos, uppity non-whites taking their new freedoms for granted, and Harvard Alumni.

That's at least what I'm theorizing.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of the United States flag? on: July 08, 2015, 06:59:41 am
HF, it represents an anti-common man* rebellion for the purpose of defending white supremacy and elite mercantile interests. They started wars that caused millions of deaths all because they couldn't accept "Others" having the right to democracy and self-rule. Hateful white northerners waved it proudly during the Know Nothing era to defend segregation and legal discrimination against most anyone who wasn't a White Protestant. It is also waved by the KKK and other white supremacy groups.

To have it up on a state capital, which is public property, hundreds of years later is beyond unreasonable. Citizens have every right in the world to use it as they wish. If people are not actually upset about it being on a state house, that represents a sad state of affairs.

*Which is totally ironic because the people who defend the flag are the so called "anti-racists".

I took some liberties here, but yeah you get the idea.  Horrible Flag.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Most and least patriotic states on: July 08, 2015, 06:23:42 am
I'm not entirely sure if this is the best measure of patriotism, or if patriotism is a good thing in the first place.

Amen to that.

I find it funny that now days liberal posters are trying hard to make patriotism sound like it correlates with their values when just eight years ago they were loudly criticizing American nationalism for things like the War in Iraq for starters.  It's kind of like the Debt, now that I think about it (ie, people only brag about it when their favored party is in power).
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: July 06, 2015, 06:00:15 am
Here is the thing I just really don't get, and that is why people need a government ruling to back up their religious beliefs?  Doesn't that violate the First Amendment?

I mean, I really don't get this idea of how if we have legal equality between straight and gay people it is somehow harming the freedoms of Christian America.  Nobody ever openly calls divorce laws "anti-Christian" or how bad and evil it is that people aren't thrown in jail for committing straight adultery.  What makes the concept of legal (emphasis) equality between straight and gay people so much worse?

To Paraphrase: If you don't like Gay Marriage don't get one.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: A New Start on: July 05, 2015, 04:58:16 pm
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: July 05, 2015, 04:55:43 pm
Same Place I guess
A New Start
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Rate the Presidents, Installment #28: Woodrow Wilson on: July 05, 2015, 02:33:48 pm
More overrated than Teddy Roosevelt.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Lief on: July 04, 2015, 03:47:39 pm
One of the best.  Despite our many disagreements I must applaud him heavily for his stances against the ModdenFuerhership on here and his advocates of the REAL Atlas club.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Is it time to end Atlasia? on: July 04, 2015, 03:40:28 pm
My point is that I was declared guilty by high-ranking Atlasians with even less evidence (i.e. none, as far as I can tell).

Shut the hell up.  Nobody in any court in Atlasia has declared you guilty of sock-puppetry, regardless of how many illfounded Laborite on the fly accusations say otherwise.  They may be masters of autofellatio, but they are not gods or tyrants.

nb4 AG comes up with a cute conspiracy theory for this post.  In my defense, the Zionist IRC cabal promised me a 2015 Lexus if I put up these distracting issues.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Is it time to end Atlasia? on: July 04, 2015, 08:02:09 am
With that stated, we can't lay the blame entirely on the locker room mentality of the game's Left and the Right certainly needs to step up and own the blame on lacking creativity or imagination or enthusiasm.  There comes a time when even the meanest "screw you pinhead" accusation does not excuse the fact that your team just can't come up with real ideas or motivate people to turn out.  Let's face it the Right has sucked in this game since at least 2009.  You guys are just dominated by your own inner political struggles (going back to DWTL and Yankee in 2009 to the recent crap between whoever and whoever) and personality conflicts that actually harm yourselves in the long run.  Many times you have to rely on a centrist dominated fusion ticket come election time to compete with the Left in this game.  This was true when the atmosphere was way more positive and it is true now with everyone wanting to say fuckall.  I don't recall the last time we had a real memorable and even two term right wing president (except for Duke, whose actual presidency was very hardly right wing).

For god's sake, a leading figure on the Right voted for DemPGH last year because said poster had a hardon against Dallasfan for some reason.  Now yeah, I admit I voted for SirNick largely because he wanted to make me Game Moderator (I don't think anyone will complain too much that I revealed the plans of someone who has been revealed to be a terrorist.  Frankly, making me Game Moderator makes a lot more sense in hindsight if you are a terrorist who wants to wreck havoc on the game), but that is hardly as petty as a reason as "I don't like him Mom!" reasons.  If you want to advance your cause you shouldn't be willy nilly willing to stab each other in the back come election time or the other not so savory stunts you pull (like asking posters to invalidate their ballots, yeah that old favor of power hungry Right Wingers in the game).

So yeah not to be a moderate hero here, but you all need to take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourselves what are you screwing up that is turning off people, both left and right, from this game.-Mecha
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