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1  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Erasing the Confederacy -How Far Would you Go? on: June 30, 2015, 12:11:22 pm
I'm fine with showing these symbols in ways and forms that don't entail an endorsement. History books and other displays for factual purposes are obviously OK. Flying a flag out of your house is of course very different. Can you imagine a German flying a Nazi flag out of their house?

I would argue against all open displays of nationalism, of course.  I for one don't celebrate a flag of a country founded by largely deluded religious fundamentalists who thought my ancestors were "vermin".  I don't know why some people make exceptions just because "my country tis of thee."

Point being, we need to stop making exceptions for this sort of disgusting behavior.
2  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Erasing the Confederacy -How Far Would you Go? on: June 30, 2015, 08:49:40 am
I'm okay with it being in the History Books.  Otherwise, we run a very real mistake of repeating the past.

Other than that?  I don't really care.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you rather live in Greece or Oklahoma? on: June 28, 2015, 07:31:08 am
I'd shoot myself if I had to live in ...




































































Oklahoma.

I've lived here for over 20 years.  Can't say I ever felt the need to purchase a gun, much less shoot myself.

And I'm saying this as the type of person whose politics are well to the left of the average Vermonter, much more the average Okie.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 27, 2015, 01:03:51 pm
So wait, let me get this straight:

The US Supreme Court decided, in a 5-4 decision, to take away 30% of Hillary Clinton's talking points next election.  And the Republican candidates, instead of just simply stating "it is now the law of the land", are going to protest instead of recognize a good thing when it happens?

God, these people are stupid.

Implying she doesn't have more to campaign on than gay marriage.

Also 50% of Republican voters are evangelicals. While LGBT is actually a small puzzle piece of the democratic coalition of 5-10%. Here's hoping that the social conservatives weaken as a % of the overall electorate voterbase from here on.

No you read the post wrong.  Just that this is obviously an opening for the GOP to subtly take the gay marriage question out of their campaigns.  Evangelicals are not going to suddenly revolt against a party that is still strongly anti-abortion (for starters) just because the question of gay marriage is put on the backburner.  Modifying their position particularly on that issue would deaden a lot of the appeal the Democrats have with people who otherwise would feel their interests at odds with the party they support.

My comment wasn't to imply the only thing Clinton has going for her is her gay marriage position or that is her only position, merely that by settling the gay marriage issue the GOP would have a way to subtly move their way out of a controversial hot button issue that younger generations are overwhelmingly in support of.  Liberal Catholics like Ted Kennedy did something similar when Roe V. Wade was handed down IIRC.  Because frankly, right now the standard Democratic talking point seems to overwhelmingly be "WE ARE SOCIAL LIBERALS!", a point that would look incredibly weak if the GOP just moved on from this issue and ran on IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID or something to that effect.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Now that gay marriage has passed should we ban straight marriage ASAP? on: June 27, 2015, 12:42:53 pm
We should not only ban straight marriage, we should retroactively declare all of the straight marriages that have already happened unconstitutional and make it a capital offense to be married to a person of the opposite sex.

The homosexualist agenda is unstoppable!  



Yes!

With environmental catastrophes like Global Warming and the ever declining supply of natural resources, the war against heterosexuality, ie the Breeding Class, is inevitable.  This is not only a requirement of the March of Progress, but for the survival and regulation of the Human Species.

Hell, while we're at it let's start having involuntary birth control legislation approved and passed with record majorities from the Marxist congress to prevent the possibility of too many. . . . breeders being hatched.

Breeding is not a right, it's a privilege guaranteed by the State.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 27, 2015, 08:14:20 am
So wait, let me get this straight:

The US Supreme Court decided, in a 5-4 decision, to take away 30% of Hillary Clinton's talking points next election.  And the Republican candidates, instead of just simply stating "it is now the law of the land", are going to protest instead of recognize a good thing when it happens?

God, these people are stupid.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Rockefeller GOP? on: June 26, 2015, 11:11:44 pm
An admirable ideological and historically confused opponent, FF

What exactly is historically confusing about his views?  Sure, the GOP had left wing sympathies from about 1854-1874 but the moralists and corporate forces were pretty quick to knock out as many "true believers" as possible once Reconstruction was winding down.  Really, to act as if the GOP was "the liberal party" you'd have to ignore the pretty open corporatism that went on from Hayes onward.

Pretty much, the parties did not "switch", the owners in the GOP just kicked out their useful idiots when anti-racism started hurting their electability while the useful idiots (ethnic labor and poor southern farmer's) in the Democratic coalition got more and more popular due to the corruption and petty favoritism that happened under GOP administrations of the late 19th century.

The confusion on Rockys end is that he seems to think of the GOP as a continuation of the Whigs (who were economic nationalists) instead of a coalition largely formed around the issue of abolitionism.  That's where his analysis might be a little off, otherwise he is more on point than many on here.

The Republicans were a continuation to the extent that they were the primary opposition to the Demcorats and some issues like protectionism and such were continued by the GOP. Of course towards the later period of the 19th century, is when Business interests began to change more towards less government. I would also point out that Hayes, Garfield, Arthur and Harrison were all former Whigs as well. Hayes said he was the best President since John Quincy Adams with the exception of Abraham Lincoln.

Are you saying that Corporatism was not present until 1877. The Transcontinental Railroad was a pretty blatant example in the way it was conducted of course.

OH yes it was. I believe there were hundreds of strikes by Irish dominated work gangs before the Civil War for starters.  My point was largely a counter to the oft recited "the GOP was filled with Marx pen pals!" point that people often make on here.  It is certainly one thing to be a reader of a philosophy, it is quite another to be a consistent follower of it.  The classist implementation of the Civil War draft, working conditions in many northern factories, and the endorsement of the work ethic by many "radical" Republicans, show they weren't near as ideologically zealous as some make them out to be.

However, at the end of the day there were German Marxists and others who did identify with the GOP.  You could possibly argue that they weren't as anti-corporate (mind the Marxist scale of society for a moment where bourgeouis industrial revolution is the second step AFTER the agrarian planter society, the Civil War was seen as that Second Step) as the agrarian radicals in the Democratic Party, but kind of hard to pin those types down as Whig successors.

I mean, imagine if a party was formed tomorrow that was strongly opposed to abortion and many of it's followers were also advocates of corporate tax cuts.  Would it necessarily be a "successor" to the Republican Party, even if quite a few of said followers were also in favor of universal healthcare or democratic socialism?

Would you consider the Homestead Act a Whig act?  Or Robert La Follette Sr. a successor to Whiggery?
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Rockefeller GOP? on: June 26, 2015, 01:14:28 pm
An admirable ideological and historically confused opponent, FF

What exactly is historically confusing about his views?  Sure, the GOP had left wing sympathies from about 1854-1874 but the moralists and corporate forces were pretty quick to knock out as many "true believers" as possible once Reconstruction was winding down.  Really, to act as if the GOP was "the liberal party" you'd have to ignore the pretty open corporatism that went on from Hayes onward.

Pretty much, the parties did not "switch", the owners in the GOP just kicked out their useful idiots when anti-racism started hurting their electability while the useful idiots (ethnic labor and poor southern farmer's) in the Democratic coalition got more and more popular due to the corruption and petty favoritism that happened under GOP administrations of the late 19th century.

The confusion on Rockys end is that he seems to think of the GOP as a continuation of the Whigs (who were economic nationalists) instead of a coalition largely formed around the issue of abolitionism.  That's where his analysis might be a little off, otherwise he is more on point than many on here.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do a majority of white posters on here have any idea what poverty is like? on: June 25, 2015, 04:17:10 pm
Guys, apologies for the earlier rant.  Kind of winded at work right now.

Anyway, this was mostly a rant directed at people seeing the forest for the trees on race issues (ie, the perception that racism permeates from a flag or what have you) and other matters while the economic elephant in the room is oft ignored.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do a majority of white posters on here have any idea what poverty is like? on: June 25, 2015, 07:23:21 am
Now, I am not going to make the same large scale character assassinations as TNF, but I would like to comment further that I find it incredible that a thread on some random Arkansas legislator nobody knows saying slavery was good for blacks (as admittedly outrageous and downright awful that comment is) gets a lot more outrage than heads of multi-billion dollar corporations and even presidential nominees claiming it's okay that millions of Americans live in abject poverty.  The only time people even really seemed upset and outraged was when Romney was dumb enough to claim that 47% of Americans mooch off the government.  In fact we even have Atlas posters who somehow believe that starvation is acceptable "if you don't work hard".

Not saying that the former isn't a big deal, surely apologism for the white supremacist confederacy is no small deal and it should be reported.  However, comments like the latter generally refer to something that is ongoing and that millions of people in this country who are better off are outright refusing to deal with and even justify in many cases.  I think I am the last person on this website who would claim the past isn't important however at the end of the day issues of the present are the things that should matter.  To me it seems that there is a very large group of people in this country who care more about "symbolic" actions than "meaningful" actions.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Do a majority of white posters on here have any idea what poverty is like? on: June 25, 2015, 06:26:32 am
Obviously not judging by the subjects of ire that seem to consume them in the US General Discussion and Individual Politics board (sane).
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Have we talked about how this sudden removal of Confederate stuff is a ruse? on: June 25, 2015, 06:20:53 am
Like many trendy social topics, yes:

Isn't it funny how outrage over a Governor defending a flag is stronger on here than say the increased economic inequality that has happened under Southern Governors like Nikki Haley?  Oh yeah, I will acknowledge that does get covered eventually, but those discussions for some reason don't seem to drum up the same level of universal outrage and discussion as arcane debates like whether or not it is appropriate to have a flag of a nation that has been dead for a hundred and fifty years on the front lawn or which party was more pro-civil rights in the 1960s.

Relevant source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqfsLG6Kuz0

And you guys wonder why most people think the US Congress is a flaming bag of dog shit now days?

Economic inequality is not inherently wrong.  A state government fondly memorializing racism/slavery/segregation/white supremacy is inherently wrong.  Apples and oranges.  

Oh yes, that blacks and other non-whites make an incredibly less amount of money often times well below the poverty line and have to rely on a very large amount of government welfare than whites and their daddies are a lot more likely to end up in prison and leave millions of kids fatherless due to the racist implementation of the War on Drugs is not as near as horrible as a Dixie flag hanging from the SC legislature.

You surely do have such a great moral superiority here.  If only I could see that stuff that is actually happening to poor minorities now days does not matter.

For the record, this is not a justification for keeping the confederate flag, just that I find the kind of overwhelming news attention on that subject while the very real and racist nature of income inequality in this country is almost ignored if not whitewashed from the media incredible.

Did you not see the follow up?  The component of income inequality that is the result of past or present racism exists and is wrong.  Some inequality will always be present in a free society, however.

Yes I did.  However, you seem to laugh off the entire concept and how bad the effects are in the South and you seem to imply that taking down an admittedly bad flag deserves an incredible amount of more attention than the actual starvation, lack of jobs, and poverty that faces Black America.  TO me, actual suffering is worse than the presence of a flag on the law of a state government building.  Now maybe that is just me, actually having been down on my luck once in my life (unlike the vast majority of white people on this forum), but I feel the lot of you don't really understand how horrible that aspect of it is, nor does social media.  I would bet real money there are more posts on here about "muh confederate flag" than there ever are on income inequality, the war on drugs, job discrimination, and the whole host of very real issues facing Black America.

So no, I don't consider taking down the Confederate Flag or whatever you want to call it any sort of real victory for anybody except feel good upper middle-upper class whites who are trying to find an issue to feel good about while ignoring the real issues.

Living in fear of idiot white racists waving Confederate flags from their houses and casually calling them n-words is a concern, but that is largely the result of American society failing to tackle the issues of societal inequality.  Instead they prefer to occasionally drum up media coverage on incidents like this to make it seem like we have progressed greatly when Nixon's New Jim Crow is still a thing.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Confederate Flag? on: June 25, 2015, 06:03:53 am
Again HF, but we shouldn't treat taking it down like it's the cure to cancer equivalent of treating racism.  That goes much back further than the existence of the Confederacy all the way to Chris Columbus.  Millions of black fathers are still in prison for daring to be caught with weed.  Millions of black children don't have those fathers because of said draconian drug laws.  Millions of black women are forced to raise their children by themselves while being strongly reliant on the government dole.

Seems to me we haven't even begun to treat the real symptoms.

Not that taking it down isn't the right thing, even if it was 150 years too late.  I just wonder how much longer it will take for white society to actually treat blacks like equals instead of feel good props.  Even the President, per that one speech no one shuts up about because of it's usage of a certain word, agrees with that.

I know how this forum likes to get off on recreational outrage, but let's be real here.  If this is the best that the Republican Party can offer non-whites, they don't deserve to win them.

So forgive me for not dancing a jig in celebration.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Have we talked about how this sudden removal of Confederate stuff is a ruse? on: June 24, 2015, 10:05:45 pm
Like many trendy social topics, yes:

Isn't it funny how outrage over a Governor defending a flag is stronger on here than say the increased economic inequality that has happened under Southern Governors like Nikki Haley?  Oh yeah, I will acknowledge that does get covered eventually, but those discussions for some reason don't seem to drum up the same level of universal outrage and discussion as arcane debates like whether or not it is appropriate to have a flag of a nation that has been dead for a hundred and fifty years on the front lawn or which party was more pro-civil rights in the 1960s.

Relevant source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqfsLG6Kuz0

And you guys wonder why most people think the US Congress is a flaming bag of dog shit now days?

Economic inequality is not inherently wrong.  A state government fondly memorializing racism/slavery/segregation/white supremacy is inherently wrong.  Apples and oranges.  

Oh yes, that blacks and other non-whites make an incredibly less amount of money often times well below the poverty line and have to rely on a very large amount of government welfare than whites and their daddies are a lot more likely to end up in prison and leave millions of kids fatherless due to the racist implementation of the War on Drugs is not as near as horrible as a Dixie flag hanging from the SC legislature.

You surely do have such a great moral superiority here.  If only I could see that stuff that is actually happening to poor minorities now days does not matter.

For the record, this is not a justification for keeping the confederate flag, just that I find the kind of overwhelming news attention on that subject while the very real and racist nature of income inequality in this country is almost ignored if not whitewashed from the media incredible.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Have we talked about how this sudden removal of Confederate stuff is a ruse? on: June 24, 2015, 06:00:29 pm
Like many trendy social topics, yes:

Isn't it funny how outrage over a Governor defending a flag is stronger on here than say the increased economic inequality that has happened under Southern Governors like Nikki Haley?  Oh yeah, I will acknowledge that does get covered eventually, but those discussions for some reason don't seem to drum up the same level of universal outrage and discussion as arcane debates like whether or not it is appropriate to have a flag of a nation that has been dead for a hundred and fifty years on the front lawn or which party was more pro-civil rights in the 1960s.

Relevant source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqfsLG6Kuz0

And you guys wonder why most people think the US Congress is a flaming bag of dog shit now days?
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Opinion of Nate Silver on: June 24, 2015, 03:34:18 pm
A shining example of what happens when you treat politics like a math formula.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Deus Naturae on: June 23, 2015, 09:12:36 pm
I would suspect a troll act, but something tells me he was actually serious. I think he needs to cool down or something.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bobloblaw Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: June 23, 2015, 05:42:56 pm
If the shooting actually happened, his punishment should be having to watch racial cuckold porn on rerun forever. But, I'm of the opinion that this whole thing was a false-flag. Way too many things don't make sense about this incident. The kid had a black friend who said he never said anything racist, the FBI "just happened" to be having an active shooter drill on the exact day of the "shooting", and the victim's family members just look like terrible actors. Seriously, how are you going to tell me that their family members were just slaughtered?

Not to mention, this story conveniently checks all of the boxes on the agenda of government control.

Justification for gun control? Check.
Justification for govt control of the Internet ("I wasn't raised racist, I became radicalized online!")? Check.
Justification for defining domestic citizens as "terrorists" ("this shooting was an act of terrorism, it's absolutely critical that we recognize and describe it as this!")? Check.

And to top it all off, the family members of the "victims" are being given $29 million by the Federal government. You seriously think they would give that much just to "help them recover"?

I could be wrong, but this whole thing just seems way too sus.
Good God.

Is this. . . . real?
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Rate the Presidents, Installment #16: Abraham Lincoln on: June 23, 2015, 03:37:53 pm
Also, I'm guessing the 1 stars are neo-confederates?

This, and edgy Libertarians obsessed with muh Habeas Corpus.

I wonder how many of them know that Davis also suspended habeus corpus?

Not to mention that the Confederacy was the most centralized, socialist "government" in American history by FAR.

Anyway, obviously the best POTUS ever.

"Socialist"?  Wha Da fuk?
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is There Any Hope for A Re-Unification of Atlas? on: June 23, 2015, 03:10:34 pm

And ftr, easily one if the best poster I have seen so far.
21  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Resurrection: An alternate timeline of the present by Mechaman on: June 23, 2015, 02:09:03 pm
Next morning
12:03 AM


Bernie Sanders wakes up to the sound of his blackberry ringing.  He picks it up, agitated that someone is calling him this late.
Sanders: Yes?
Westman: Holy hell man!  This shit actually works!  THIS SHIT ACTUALLY WORKS!  WHOEVER INVENTED THIS PILL IS A GENIUS!
Oh brother.
Sanders: Good for you Scott.  Now get some sleep.  I don't want that mental image in my head.
Westman: My prick actually wo-
Phone line dead.
22  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Resurrection: An alternate timeline of the present by Mechaman on: June 23, 2015, 02:06:35 pm
Deleted previous entry as it was both unnecessary and too melodramatic.  Previously mentioned prison story might pop up later, but not this immediately.

Landing:
Westman wakes up with an awful feeling in the back of his head.  He looks around with shock.
Westman: Did i sleep the whole way here?
Sanders: Yes you did.
Westman looks over at Lesnar.
Westman: Hey, the back of my neck hurts.
Lesnar gives him a clueless look.
Lesnar: Must've hit your head right as we were taking off on the tray in front of you.  Sorry pal.
Westman gives him a suspicious look.
Lesnar: Trust me.
Lesnar and his manager walk off as Westman and Sanders get up.
Sanders: Quite convenient really.  I slept like a baby.  Lord knows how long I could last your rants.
Westman: Enough wiseass.  Let's just get the bags.

A Little Bit Later
On the road:

Westman:
Hey Bernie, you never told me where I was staying.
Sanders: You'll be staying at one of my Senate colleague's apartment.
Westman grumbled.
Westman: Great, just freaking great.  You mean I am going to have to stay with one of those pie in the sky idealists who just graduated the fourth grade?
Sanders: You didn't seem to mind Larry too much.
Westman: Well that was back in the day when Senators knew how to party.  Times have changed apparently.  Everyone needs to be on some sort of health diet or something.
Sanders: Quit pulling things out of your ass.
Westman: Fine.
The car pulls into the back driveway of a red brickbat building.  The two men walk around to the front door.
Westman: Oh man this is even worse.  Who knows how many young college aged coeds live here.  Why are you torturing me?
Sanders: Shut up faggot.
Westman: You didn't just call me faggot, did you Bernie?
Sanders: OH shit!  You must be rubbing off on me!
Bernie knocks as the door opens to a young white man in his thirties in workout slacks.  He holds out his hand.
US Congressman Daniel L. Morgenthal (D-NY): Mr. Westman!  It is an honor!
Westman chuckles as he holds out his hand.
Westman: Save the enthusiasm kid, you might not have much left wasting it on an old fart like me.
Sanders: Don't mind Mr. Westman Danny, he just has had a long trip.
Morgenthal: Well, I'm sure he'll have more than enough time to rest up at the Senator's apartment.
The two old men walk up the stairs to the fourth floor.
Westman: Geez Bern, my legs are kind of weak now days.  Could we have chosen a lower level?
Sanders: Quit your bitchin, we're almost there.
They climb one more flight of stairs before Bernie knocks on an apartment 5A.  The door opens to reveal a gorgeous brunette woman in her mid fifties.  Westman couldn't believe his eyes.
Westman: S-s-s-s-s-s-s-enator. . . . . been awhile.
Maria Cantwell, Senior Senator from the state of Washington, smiles largely at the sight of her old. . . mentor and former boss.
Cantwell: Mr. West.. . (stops herself). . Scott, it's been forever.
THe two stare at each other, silently, for what seems to be an eternity.  Sanders loooks between the two.
Sanders: Hey, am I missing something here!  Do you guys. . .  know each other?
Cantwell: Yeah, he was my boss when I first started out in DC.
Sanders chuckles.
Sanders: Small world.
Cantwell: You should've told me Bernie.  I could've been more prepared.
Westman: That's alright Maria, I came prepared.
Maria gives him a devilish smirk.
Cantwell: Well that's good.  You got a long day ahead of you tomorrow.
Sanders watches as Westman follows Cantwell into her apartment.  The door closes quickly and quiet suddenly and Sanders hears what sounds like exertion and moving furniture inside.
Old people he thought.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gov. Haley: "It's time to move the [CSA] flag from the Capitol grounds" on: June 23, 2015, 11:52:38 am
Meaningless if even well intentioned act.

Yeah removing the flag will end racism and stop nutjobs like that kid.   Roll Eyes  

Congratulations on winning the Mechaman National Sarcasm Award of the Week Gramps.  Don't get me wrong, I hate the Confederate flag.  Even without all of the bad history behind it it still looks fugly and should only be used to wipe your ass with.  However, it is quite telling that the first reaction here is to think that getting rid of a flag that represents the army of a nation that has been dead for 150 years is going to solve ANYTHING in regards to race relations.  All Haley doing is giving the proper useless politically correct reaction instead of moving forward anything meaningfull that can address race relations in America.  This is part of the reason why I bash well intentioned PC clowns: it has nothing to do with whether or not I believe certain words are perfectly okay and acceptable to say in general company, it has everything to do with how damn useless and unproductive I find such crusades in tackling the real issues.  The problem of white racism against non-whites goes back much further than the existence of the stars and bars and using "correct terms".  It is systematic and endemic to the nature of American society itself.  The existence of a Confederate flag, a dead flag, on the front lawn of the South Carolina capitol building did not turn Dylan Roof into a violent white racist thug.  The existence of white privilege and supremacy, concepts going back to the earliest years that this continent was settled and the ancestors of non-whites were largely wiped out by Old World diseases and then enslaved, are so well built into our society that it would take more than a half ass somersault to jig them out of our systems.  Of course, many upper class white people, the people who write the history books and set the media tone, don't want to even confront the class war implications at the root of the problem because it ruins their narrative to pretend that it is just an issue that predominates in states with Ten Commandment tablets and flags of dead nations on their Supreme Court lawns, instead of a nationwide problem that is a condemnation of the state capitalist banker controlled system that they worship with masturbatory fury.

Yes, sage, but necessary rant is necessary.

Cop out. Why not fight institutional racism AND take down the flag and not call people the N word?

Fair enough, but a lot of the people focus too much on the latter that it detracts from a lot of the efforts to address the former.  I do not casually refer to black people as the bad word, nor do I fly a Confederate flag from my house.  MY concern is largely that, again, the former issue is often overlooked when we focus too much on the latter.

And really, the DO NOT SAY THAT WORD!!!!! campaigns do jack shit.  If there are studies to prove me wrong, I would love to see them but from what I can see many people are still casually saying slurs when they think no one is around.

More to the point, tackling the former more is the only way you can fix the latter.  White people won't stop viewing non-whites as "lessors" and thus compelled to label them as such until institutional racism and classism are fixed.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Rate the Presidents, Installment #14: Franklin Pierce on: June 23, 2015, 10:42:15 am
Pretty horrible, but he does get an honorary mention for at least trying to stick up for immigrants, unlike either his predecessor or his successor.  Probably still a one star rating, but on that metric I fail to see how one could think he was worse than that failtard who succeeded him.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Rate the Presidents, Installment #13: Millard Fillmore on: June 23, 2015, 10:36:54 am
How the Hell did this monster get such a high rating?

I presume people saving their one stars for pierce et al. Not that Fillmore doesn't deserve it. Haven't people forgotten in addition to being a dithering moron, he was also a nativist?

And people seriously wonder why I make huge rants about WASP bias on the website?  The Know Nothings were basically American Nazis.  Oh sure, they weren't as nearly as successful as Hitler's gang, but they were hardly "light racists" like has been implied by more than a few people on this website.  Their racism was pretty much central to their whole ideology and the more than a few platform points they proposed in their 1856 National Platform.

Franklin Pierce was at least pro-Catholic, unlike either Fillmore or (judging by the 1856 Presidential Election) Buchanan.
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