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151  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could the Kennedy-Obama alliance ruin Hillary's hopes...again? on: August 06, 2014, 09:38:29 pm
My hopes of no one here taking Ed Klein seriously are ruined.

I'm with you but we had to know this would happen.
152  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: August 05, 2014, 03:47:46 pm
Notice that part at the end?  Even they admit (with the silence) that the violence will continue even if Israel gives into their unreasonable demands.
So, the leader or Hamas agreed to a two-state solution, according to your quote. Why are you deliberately lying and pretending the opposite? Of course there is going to be violence between the two states, the ideal solution would be for Israelis and Palestinians to suddenly become best friends (France-Germany way), but the truth is that their relations will likely be something like the India-Pakistan relations, unless some miracle happen.

India isn't fighting to get Pakistan back.

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Hamas announced on Tuesday that it would never accept the two-state solution or give up “one inch of the land of Palestine.”
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Hamas-says-it-would-never-accept-two-state-solution-wont-give-up-one-inch-of-land-339682

A piece on the failed peace process.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118751/how-israel-palestine-peace-deal-died


153  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which GOP ticket would be most palpable to all aspects of the GOP? on: August 04, 2014, 11:07:36 pm
The most palpable to all Republican factions would be dread personified but I think you mean the most habitable which would be Christie. But I'm not sure why you'd be asking either of those questions or even who is the most palatable to all GOP factions since last time the answer was Tim Pawlenty.
154  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Republican Nomination Poll - July 2014 on: July 31, 2014, 06:49:53 pm

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Obama's name wasn't on Michigan's ballot. If your argument is that Hillary got more votes than Obama, shouldn't you only count contests where both Hillary and Obama's names are on the ballot?

Even if you deduct the 328,309 votes Hillary received in the Michigan beauty contest where Obama wasn't on the ballot from her over 18 million received in the total contests she would still lead Obama in the total popular vote by around 100,000. HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE IN 08. FACT.

CHECK YOUR MATH.

It's funny though that you never hear that from the Obamatards. The same people just go on and on about Al Gore in 2000 instead. Plus, I bet if the superdelegates had voted their conscience, they'd have picked Hillary too.

Never hear what from Obamatards? We go on and on because the evidence suggests more Floridians voted for Gore than for Bush and the ballots were miscounted. Not to mention the butterfly ballot costing Gore thousands of votes. What does that have to do with Obama?
155  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Opinion of Hamas on: July 31, 2014, 11:32:01 am

I'm not a fan of religious parties (especially not theocratic ones), but I'm not about to condemn an organization actually putting up a fight for Palestinians, rather than bending over for Israel, like the PLO has done time and time again since the 1980s. There's a reason Hamas was voted into power in 2006 and there's a reason that it retains popular support. I don't like what it stands for on domestic political questions (and I doubt very many of us do, given that we're all products of a secular society), but that matters less than the fact that they are fighting back against the Zionist settler state, which is more than you can say about the cowards clinging to a 'two-state solution' that is never going to happen.


What is Hamas "fighting back against"? The two-state solution and the "Zionist settler state" i.e. Israel. You can say Hamas are not cowards but you can also say they're war criminals who continuously bring their people nothing but misery. Not that they seem to care. Why did they win elections in 2006? Corruption in Fatah. Why are they still in power? By force.

Hamas is fighting back against the illegal encroachment of Israel onto their land. It is resisting, just as any of us would do were we invaded by a foreign power. To call Hamas terrorists, when they are in fact acting in resistance to those who seek to wipe them out and colonize their lands, is to call those who fought against illegitimate authority in every epoch 'terrorists.'

Terrorists, just like the Israeli government.

This is just not true. The violence employed by an oppressed people cannot and should not ever be equated with the violence employed by their oppressors. Hamas is fighting back; that is resistance, not terrorism. By this logic, the Minutemen of 1776 were terrorists because they resisted the encroachment on their liberties exercised at the behest of the British crown. Just because someone employs violent tactics does not make them a terrorist; it more often than not makes them a realist that understands power relations in society and knows that only through struggle (and often, but not always, armed struggle) can lasting victory be achieved

Not sure why Israelis, citizens of an internationally-recognized country in its 7th decade, should have less right to protect themselves than colonial Americans. But yes, violence alone doesn't make one a terrorist: that would be violence deliberately targeting civilians to create fear and influence policy. In this case, it's hard to believe the rocket attacks are done but for any reason besides provoking retaliatory attacks that kill Palestinians and create political pressure on Israel. In short, in the past, Hamas's political tool was dead Israelis. In the current conflict, it's dead Palestinians: self-terrorism with help from Israel.

Not sure you understand Hamas's motives or the extent of what they define as "their land". They, not unlike fundamentalist Jews or Christians, see it as given by God to them. So to say they're resisting and fighting for their land as any of us would… it's more accurate to say "as any of us would if we too were militant fundamentalists".

As for whether violent attacks on civilians is part of a realistic mindset, it helped create Israel, and the Palestinian refugee problem, and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and the blockade on Gaza, and has long fueled the cycle of violence bringing misery for Palestinians and Israelis alike and (a criticism that can go both ways) bolstered players on the other side who sabotage the peace process. Anyone who is actually a realist would say violent resistance has been a catastrophic mistake.
156  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Opinion of Hamas on: July 30, 2014, 03:08:04 pm

I'm not a fan of religious parties (especially not theocratic ones), but I'm not about to condemn an organization actually putting up a fight for Palestinians, rather than bending over for Israel, like the PLO has done time and time again since the 1980s. There's a reason Hamas was voted into power in 2006 and there's a reason that it retains popular support. I don't like what it stands for on domestic political questions (and I doubt very many of us do, given that we're all products of a secular society), but that matters less than the fact that they are fighting back against the Zionist settler state, which is more than you can say about the cowards clinging to a 'two-state solution' that is never going to happen.


What is Hamas "fighting back against"? The two-state solution and the "Zionist settler state" i.e. Israel. You can say Hamas are not cowards but you can also say they're war criminals who continuously bring their people nothing but misery. Not that they seem to care. Why did they win elections in 2006? Corruption in Fatah. Why are they still in power? By force.
157  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 27, 2014, 01:34:25 pm
This whole tragedy is so predictable. Zionists continuing their colonization of Palestine and accelerating it through the building of settlements leading to more desperation on the Palestinian side. Hapless leaders in Palestine not being able to even come into an agreement amongst themselves, let alone being able to negotiate with Israel. Stupid terrorists taking the opportunity to launch rockets they know will not reach their targets due to the Iron Dome. Israel, despite possessing the Iron dome, invades Gaza knowing it will cause massive civilian casualties, despite claiming they care about civilian casualties. And of course self righteous Americans pretending like Israel is in the right even though they would violently destroy anyone who tries to take their land. I really want Native Americans to go back and just randomly take over houses built on top of their ancestral land. I hope it happens to dead0man just to see his reaction. I am sure he will be very understanding.

Who needs hypothetical hypocrisy when you can find some Americans complaining about Israeli colonialism while, you know, living in and loving America? (Or Europeans or Muslims or whatever other group complains about it.) If your point is just that trying to revert back to some past map, or trying to change a map in general, is a nightmare for all, yeah, I think you'll find most people agree. But there are a lot of Palestinians and Israelis who suffer that same delusion. There are many other who don't, they just don't have enough power to stop the others.
 
158  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Doctor stops potential mass shooting by shooting the shooter on: July 27, 2014, 01:21:27 pm
Great bravery here came from the unarmed: the woman who died, continuing every day to try to help the mentally ill despite the risk to her safety, and the men who ran unarmed and tackled the gunman before he could reload and continue killing.  I'm not sure why this violent, mentally ill ex-con complaining that his gun rights were being infringed upon didn't prompt a police search that sent him to jail, preventing this tragedy. Anyway, I'm not sure this helps the conservative argument that mental health treatment is the route to creating a less violent, massively armed society.
159  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A reminder of Joe Biden's group/primary debate skills on: July 25, 2014, 10:35:25 pm
I do fondly remember the time that "Big" Joe Biden humiliated Paul Ryan on national television. But his debating skills do not outweigh his other weaknesses, unfortunately.
If giggling like Cesar Romero's Joker is akin to humilitaing Paul Ryan than, yes, Biden did that.
Denial

Yeah. Humiliated...if you mean by winning

http://www.businessinsider.com/ryan-beats-biden-debate-cnn-poll-2012-10

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UPDATE: CNN on their site just admitted that the sample for their poll was “a debate audience that was more Republican than the country.” Sample was 33 percent GOP and 31 percent Dem.

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The key “instant poll” from CBS, among 500 undecided voters, Biden wins 50 percent to 31 percent. (Romney had won easily last week.) Asked whom they could relate to, Biden won; he also was seen as more ready to be president. Some 85 percent said Biden knowledgeable and 75 percent said the same of Ryan.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170518/polls-divided-winner-veep-debate-biden-easily-takes-undecided-vote
160  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Hillary our future President? on: July 25, 2014, 11:22:22 am
She will never be president. She incompetently enabled a preventable terrorist attack in Benghazi and then silenced witnesses, staged phony "investigations," and lied through her teeth to cover it up.

This sounds kind of like what Reagan did before winning a huge landslide.
161  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: It's almost too easy for D's to win in 2016, makes me think R's will win on: July 15, 2014, 06:23:20 am
I said a year ago that Hillary was the best positioned non-incumbent 3 years out ever. But people are confusing causality. The Democrats aren't heavily favored because Hillary will be a dominating nominee. Hillary will be a dominating nominee because the Democrats are heavily favored and she's basically a lock to be the nominee. Obama's current approvals aren't low enough to be a real factor. He's still like 15 points higher than W was. His approvals are also higher than the GOP. As John McCain says, it doesn't matter who the GOP nominates in 2016. They'll lose. This would be as true against Warren as against Hillary.

Speaking of McCain, Hillary isn't really analagous to his position 8 years ago. To become the nominee he would need to sacrifice what made him appealing. Also, the Iraq War which McCain championed more than anyone was growing increasingly unpopular.
162  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 13, 2014, 10:00:36 pm
Argentina's several missed chances were heartbreaking but Mascherano and the defense were so great I thought they could do it anyway. It took a perfect goal to beat them. A really fun World Cup.
163  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: NOW who wins the 2014 FIFA World Cup? on: July 08, 2014, 05:06:34 pm
Were people voting Germany during that blow-out or something? If so, yeah, of course, but where is your self-respect?
164  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the US drop Israel? on: July 08, 2014, 01:41:07 pm
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.603324

Obama's op-ed strikes the right note.
165  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: NOW who wins the 2014 FIFA World Cup? on: July 08, 2014, 12:30:34 pm
Voted Argentina, but seeing as the dutch are last place in this poll it will probably be them.

Hey, you're on my schtick. More importantly, the Dutch are on Argentina's unappreciated turf...

lol these results

Argentina getting no votes on this board probably means they're the favorite?

Will there be a new thread for the semis?

Argentina got literally no votes in the pre-QF poll out of almost 50 (I'm excluding the 1 vote after 2 QF matches were over)! So their winning would be the World Cup's gods biggest laugh on us.
166  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Likely Hillary Clinton popular vote margin and why? on: July 08, 2014, 12:35:09 am
52%-53%

I just don't see her doing better than Obama in 08'.

But research estimated racism brought down Obama's vote share by about 4% in both 2008 and 2012.

http://prospect.org/article/did-obama-lose-votes-because-his-race

Even if Hillary was only as strong as Obama 2012, adjusted for color, she'd do better than he did in 2008. But I also think she'll run stronger than he was in 2012.
167  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 04, 2014, 09:07:59 pm
The first one to jump on James Rodriguez during his post-goal celebration...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2119759-giant-bug-clings-onto-colombias-james-rodriguez-as-he-celebrates-goal?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
168  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Who will win the 2014 FIFA World Cup? on: July 04, 2014, 07:27:08 pm
lol these results

Argentina getting no votes on this board probably means they're the favorite?

Will there be a new thread for the semis?
169  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the US drop Israel? on: July 04, 2014, 07:21:24 pm
US should take a European stance on Israel, that is not supporting them unconditionally and treat Israel and Palestine equally, as two separate nation states (the US and Israel being as far as I know the two only remaining countries in the world still not supporting or aknowledging Palestine nationhood or sovereignty).

Countries that have recognized the state of Palestine in green:




This map doesn't reflect the reality though, since after the muslim countries, Western European governments are in fact the staunchest supporters of the two state solution there is.

I think every American president since Carter has supported the two-state solution. Clinton made a pretty good effort at getting there in the end. Who knows? Maybe the next Clinton will pull it off.
170  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 04, 2014, 06:44:57 pm
fivethirtyeight still has Argentina as a more likely champ than Germany even having to play an extra match. I assume they're not factoring in Neymar and Silva not playing in the semis though.
171  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 04, 2014, 06:39:16 pm
More disgusting play acting from Neymar.

He was acting like he fractured 4 vertebrae when in reality it was fewer.
172  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Republican Nomination Poll - July 2014 on: July 04, 2014, 06:27:44 pm
Still Pence, but no one has more than a 10-15% chance at this point. never seen something so wide open.

And I still think Perry is totally underrated. I think he will bounce back.

Bush, Walker, Cruz, Paul, Christie, Kasich, Huckabee, Rubio, Pence, Jindal, Perry, Santorum, Ryan. There's an argument those 13 people are all between 5-10% and the field is another 10%.
173  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: a gop super ticket.... on: July 04, 2014, 02:05:33 pm
not possible and not possible to not defeat
174  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kaine or Warner as VP? on: July 04, 2014, 12:14:04 pm
I get the feeling McAuliffe is the Virginian she'd want for VP if she could appoint someone after the election, but she would never pick him in a close race. But maybe she'd feel safe enough picking him if she has a lead this big in 2 years.
175  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Quinnipiac University Poll: Obama worst president since WWII on: July 03, 2014, 08:09:22 am
That poll being published the day before today's economic report... comedy is all in the timing.
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