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76  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / (Sweden) THIS ELECTION has been CANCELLED. Next departure in 2018. on: December 03, 2014, 11:00:32 am
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30306992

Enjoy the chaos. Tongue
77  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: December 03, 2014, 10:54:27 am
Early elections will be held on 22 March next year.
78  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: December 03, 2014, 10:20:13 am
Budget proposition defeated with 153 for it, 182 against it. The dice is cast.   

Press Conference with the Prime Minister expected at 16.30. Löfvén will either resign in order for the Speaker to find a new majority in the current parliament, or call a snap election.

So wait, is this really happening?

It would seem so.
79  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: December 03, 2014, 07:07:16 am
As expected. So, early elections then?

When will it presumably be held - January, February?

Middle of February would be my guess. 
80  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: December 02, 2014, 12:10:35 pm
So, now that SD has supported the budget proposal of the Alliance, I guess we'll have a new Parliamentary Election in Sweden, in a couple of months?

That government certainly didn't last long.

It's not quite over yet. The government will send the budget back to committee, where they'll try to renegociate it.


I guess the government will now try to lure one of the Alliance party away from the block, but that might be difficult. Which party would generally be closest to the government economically? KD?

They might. If they try that they will fail. Löfvén needs to presuade all four if he wishes to get a deal. The party that breaks rank will be seen as the betrayer and will suffer. The Alliance will also get a better deal if they force the government to make up with all of them together.

If he is determined to just get one though, the Moderates are the obvious choice. They are the opposition party that is most unfit for a fight right now, being leaderless and all, and it would play into their responsible government party schtick they have going. Not to mention they have the greatest buffert for displeased supporters changing ship. 


Well let the chaos begin, I guess.

It's like the 70's again! Cheesy   
81  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: December 02, 2014, 05:46:20 am
So... if the Faroe Islands now decide to do it too and work fast, they might still beat us.

Don't worry, they won't. The Faroe Islands are tha Alabama of Northern Europe. Finland could drag this decission out for twenty years and you still would beat them. Wink
82  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: November 30, 2014, 07:49:35 pm
Of course I understand that, but the Alliance representatives has said nothing about negotiations like you do, they've only talked about how Löfven is responsible to pass the budget and haven't even been willing to discuss what will happen if SD brings down the government together with them.

And the sending it back to committee thing is a relatively recent development, the Alliance weren't even willing to discuss the issue before that either.

BTW, if the Alliance parties are going continue not working with other parties outside of their current framework (especially with FP&C continuing supporting Vårdnadsbidraget) while in opposition, why don't the parties just merge already? It obviously doesn't make a difference what party you vote for if FP for example is still going to fight for KD policies no matter the situation.

The Alliance has not discussed what they will do in the hypothetical scenario of their budget passing for very good and very obvious reasons. First, it is a very hypothetical scenario. SD likes to make noises to get attention, but during their four years in parliament they've never been willing to pull the trigger when it really came down to it. Secondly, if they do pull the trigger, it is the government that must act first, and as far as I know the government hasn't really announced what they'll do either. The only thing your side has said is that they will not govern on the oppositions budget (which is like saying the sky is blue) and now that they intend to send the budget back to committee. Which, as you yourself acknowledge is a very recent development. Until we know how you will react, we can't plan how we will react.

As for negotiations, that is my own theory based on small bits of info that I'm hearing from my parliamentary inside sources, that if SD does announce their intention to vote for us we will be willing to negotiate a deal, but you'll have to negotiate with all of us, not just one of your choosing, and you will have to make some major concessions and not just give us some symbolic crumbles. If the government is unwilling to do that, all bets are off.


I do believe you're a bit hyberbolic now. Lööf, Björklund, and Hägglund have all said that they will support individual legislation presented by the government if it aligns with their party's position. Björklund even specifically mentioned the third daddy month as such an issue. As for the particular case of Vårdnadsbidraget, that is a subsidy and thus part of the budget, and as the four parties have agreed to file a budget together based on the deals that were negotiated before the election, we will have to defend it as part of the budget package.

And even if the parties actually had the intention to only work as a united group in parliament for the coming four years, political parties are more than just the parliamentary party. As you know all four of the Alliance parties are involved in different sorts of coalitions and cooperation on the regional and local level, not to mention the European Parliament. So the idea that they are now so interchangeable that we should merge is of course a simplistic opinion.       
83  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: November 30, 2014, 01:36:06 pm
And of course I'm still waiting to hear what the Alliance will do if SD votes for their budget on wednesday. Yes Löfven is the PM, but since he's said he won't govern with the opposition's budget the Alliance has a responsibility to the voters to say how they will act if their proposal actually gets the support of a majority in the Riksdag.

It's not the opposition's responsibility to pass the government's budget for it. We don't want your budget, so why should we help you pass it? The Social Democrats didn't abstain in budget votes during the last term, to help political stability. If you want the Alliance to pass your budget for you, you will have to negotiate with us (all four of us) and make a necessary compromise where we also get through large portions of our policies. That is how politics work.     

(It isn't our fault that you could only convince 43,6% of the voters to vote for you.)

If Löfvén does choose to negotiate with all four of us, instead of one party that he hopes he might get into submission, I would presume there could be a compromise proposal. If he instead chooses to resign I would presume we're headed for an early election next year. 

Anyway, this is all hypothetical as the budget proposal will be sent back to committee, and not be put up for a vote, if SD announces that they intend to vote for the counter proposal.
84  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Will Estonia join Nordic Council within the next 50 years (as full member)? on: November 28, 2014, 09:28:11 pm
Is it even possible to be part of the Nordic Council without having a variation of their cross flag? Tongue

Yes, Greenland is a member.

Greenland is the colony of a country with a cross flag though.
85  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: November 28, 2014, 10:33:18 am
Löfven today demanded that the right-wing take responsibility for the parliamentary situation. But when pressed he could not specify what he actually wanted. Tongue

If you're referring to the DN article I thought it was pretty clear, it was the same thing he's said since the election: if the right-wing parties (C&FP in particular) want to lock out the Sweden Democrats from influence they should be willing to talk with the government. But of course things are continuing to look as bleak as ever on that front as those parties seem more interested in only being in the opposition (understandable after what governing did to their vote share) and obstructing things when its politically expedient.

Shameful isn't it? It's not as if the Social Democrats would ever obstruct in opposition, especially not when it's politically expedient...
86  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Abbott? on: November 15, 2014, 05:17:36 am
A bigoted and mostly incompetent Prime Minister who's eroded everything liberal about the Liberal Party and who I believe will make terrible damage to the Australian centre-right for a generation.   

Tony Abbot is the perfect opposition leader. He's ruthless, opportunistic, and wickedly effective at breaking down and tearing apart his opponents, but terrible at filling the shoes of national leader once he's successfully terminated them.   
By liberal, they mean classically liberal.

Yes... I know. I'm European, so that is always what I mean when I use the word liberal.

So allow me to clarify, Tony Abbott has eroded everything classically liberal about the Liberal party, it now acts as a reactionary Conservative party. There's very little of a night-watchman state in what he's trying to create.   
87  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Sweden Considering Sexism Labels For Video Games on: November 15, 2014, 05:10:52 am
I would just like to note that I didn't vote for this new Socialist regime, and I want no part of the blame for this government's moronic political correctness crusades over the coming four years. 

The gaming industry trade organsation got some money from a funding agency to in some way support gender equality in games. In what way has this got anything to do with the current government, rather than the trade organisation and the case officer at the funding agency?

Case Officer's that get to hand out funding get their directives from somewhere you know, they don't just get to make decisions on who to throw money at based on their own personal views.

As for the Trade Organisation, it is adapting to the political realities of the day. You can compare it to Hollywood adapting the restrictive Hays Code of Censorship back in the day due to the fear of Government mandated film regulations from Washington. Better to act than react so to speak. I doubt the Swedish gaming industry just woke up two weeks ago and had a sudden realization that they should probably rate their games based on sexism, they clearly fear that if they don't look as if they're doing something, they'd be the perfect target for the government to institute some "reform" trying to win back the 3,1% that voted for the Schyman cult.

Who did you vote for SwedishCheese?

The Centre Party
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Abbott? on: November 14, 2014, 08:46:53 pm
I take it from the comments in this thread that he is basically the Australian version of George W. Bush.  Or at least that's how the more left-of-center posters here would have you believe.    

No Bush had charm, some sort of likability. He's more like Dick Cheney, with Santorum's social views.   
89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tony Abbott? on: November 14, 2014, 08:37:37 pm
A bigoted and mostly incompetent Prime Minister who's eroded everything liberal about the Liberal Party and who I believe will make terrible damage to the Australian centre-right for a generation.   

Tony Abbot is the perfect opposition leader. He's ruthless, opportunistic, and wickedly effective at breaking down and tearing apart his opponents, but terrible at filling the shoes of national leader once he's successfully terminated them.   
90  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Sweden Considering Sexism Labels For Video Games on: November 14, 2014, 08:18:35 pm
Quote
Future video games produced in Sweden could be labelled according to whether or not they promote gender equality, as part of a new project by gaming industry trade organisation Dataspelsbranchen.

Avoiding sexism and gender stereotypes in video games produced in Sweden will become a key goal for the association, which has been given a 272,000 kronor  ($36,672) grant by Sweden's government-funded innovation agency, Vinnova.

read more
http://www.thelocal.se/20141113/sweden-mulls-sexist-game-labels

My opinion on the subject... as long as they don't begin to ban thing, I don't care much, through I would like to see how they define the whole "promote gender equality" before I decide whether this are our neighbours being idiots again or whether this is a good idea.

I would just like to note that I didn't vote for this new Socialist regime, and I want no part of the blame for this government's moronic political correctness crusades over the coming four years. 
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I want good old world back! on: November 14, 2014, 12:16:13 pm
By God, how I cannot stand nostalgic pessimists. If they're just going to keep on growing in numbers I too have a bleak vision of the future.

But sure lets ignore the fact that less people in the world is poor today than ever before. Lets ignore the fact that society today is more open and inclusive of different people than ever in modern history. Why should we take note of the fact that human intelligence and labour has given us improbable scientific and medical development that ensure that most of us will live to near our hundredth birthday, or even beyond. I mean how can we even appreciate these things when kids these days run rampant with their cell phones. Roll Eyes

Sure if you're a gay person who would not have been able to ever experience a fulfilling love-life without being ostracized or even killed by society, a black person being segregated into second-class facilities, a working-class factory worker tolling yourself to death at a factory, a woman with minimal job and career opportunities, or a person with any sort of disability or disease that has been made curable or more bearable by modern medicine and technology, you might be a bit skeptical about the virtues of the past. But at least the past had heart, they had love!

And apparently more people that knew CPR although there are actually no proof to support that claim what so ever.     
 
Do you know what ConnoRhett. With all due respect, if you want a better tomorrow, with more heart and care, GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS and create it, instead of making everything worse than it already is by unbearable complaining about it.

And thank you for allowing me to let off some steam by ranting a bit. It was well needed after this afternoon. Now please get you $hit together and stop crying like you're bloody John Boehner.

   
 
92  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: November 03, 2014, 07:15:52 pm
Current approval numbers for the party leaders:

Fredrik Reinfeldt (M) - 58%
Stefan Löfvén (S) - 45%
Gustav Fridolin (MP) - 36%
Annie Lööf (C) - 33%
Jan Björklund (FP) - 28%
Göran Hägglund (KD) -28%
Jonas Sjöstedt (V) - 24%
Åsa Romson (MP) - 22%
Jimmie Åkesson (SD) - 17%

(Ipsos)

I'm incredibly pleased with this on so many levels.
Too bad Ipsos is a crap pollster though.
93  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Do you understand French politics? on: November 01, 2014, 06:37:51 am
No (Sane)
94  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Have there been any Green Party heads-of-state so far ? on: October 30, 2014, 09:31:48 am
I'm almost completely certain there has neither been a Green HoS nor a HoG.
The Green candidate in Finland's last presidential election ended as runner up with 37% of the vote, but that's the closest anyone has come so far... well unless you count Prince Charles, he's technically been a heartbeat away from it for years, but it's not like Old Liz intend to die anytime soon.

I have always wondered about the Royal Families private political views. What proof is there that Charlie likes the Greens though?



Charles: Green
Elizabeth: SDP (pre-continuity)
Philip: Ukip
Harry: Sun reader who doesn't care who runs the country, as long as...

In more seriousness, Wales's public views in this regard include uncontroversial views on sustainability, conservationism, protection of rural England, and his banal dislike of modernist architecture. None of these would rule him out of, or into, any UK political party.

there's a spitting image sketch from the 1987 election about how the royals would vote if they could. quote accurate except Liz is selling vopies of Socialist Worker outside a tube station because it "annoys Mrs Thatcher" (they didn't get on very well and she is reported to have said yhat the Queen is "the kind of person who might vote for the SDP)

I would post it but i'm currently 40,000feet above the north sea...:-)

Here it is!
95  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: October 29, 2014, 04:37:41 pm
How do you feel about joining NATO?  Does this kind of thing push you closer?

According to polls a majority of Swedes are also against joining NATO and they will likely still be so after this event.

First poll on the subject is out (Novus) and it appears to be a complete tie.

Should Sweden join NATO?

37%     YES
36%     NO
27%     DON'T KNOW

So the events did have quite a significant effect on polls. First time support for NATO-membership is leading in a NOVUS poll.


NATO here we come!!! Wink

96  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Have there been any Green Party heads-of-state so far ? on: October 26, 2014, 04:24:30 am
I'm almost completely certain there has neither been a Green HoS nor a HoG.
The Green candidate in Finland's last presidential election ended as runner up with 37% of the vote, but that's the closest anyone has come so far... well unless you count Prince Charles, he's technically been a heartbeat away from it for years, but it's not like Old Liz intend to die anytime soon.
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many of your grandparents were alive when you were born? on: October 13, 2014, 12:20:32 pm
Three. My maternal grandfather died when my mum was only 17, so before she even met my dad.
98  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: October 10, 2014, 05:52:37 am
Just out of curiosity, was the Riksbank monetary policy an issue in these elections from the perspective of average voter? Has it been one in the aftermath? Is the new government going forward with the plan to change the mandate?

I think the Riksbank policy in the last few years played a major role in these elections outcome (arguably decisive).

1) No    2) No   3) I don't know, but probably not.


99  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Cousin marriage on: October 08, 2014, 10:40:27 pm
Let them marry! If we're going to limit two persons, who love each other, the right to matrimony we better have damn good reasons for doing so, and since the genetics of it is only a problem if it's double first cousins, or if it happens over several generations, I don't really consider that a strong enough argument in favour of a ban. And the "uwww gross" argument is as ridiculous here as it is when it comes to same-sex or interracial marriages.   
100  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: October 03, 2014, 09:19:09 am
Here it is, the new cabinet in all its glory, meeting for council with the HM the King for the first time:





Is Ardalan Shekarabi just really short, or is it Gabriel Wikström and Alice Bah Kuhnke that are really tall?
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