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76  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is anything worse than death? on: September 23, 2015, 10:45:35 am
No matter your religious conviction, how can anyone answer no to this question?


If you believe in an afterlife, death is just a passage to another life.
If you don't believe in an afterlife, your feelings and thoughts would just cease to exist, meaning it would be completely impossible for you to feel pain or be bored or whatever.

Being subject to constant pain and psychological torment would obviously be far far worse. I can only agree with Antonio, if your own death is your greatest fear, you lack imagination.
77  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 23, 2015, 10:25:47 am
People missed my question, so I'll ask again: is Sweden likely to join NATO in the near future?

No, not really. The Social Democrats are still too negative towards the idea, and even in a hypothetical situation were the Alliance would get their own majority again, they probably wouldn't be willing to take such a big step without support from the other side, as Defense policy by tradition is made across the aisle in Sweden and it would be a huge change. It's a shame (in my opinion) but there you have it.

However, if Russia keeps getting more aggressive, all bets are off.
78  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 23, 2015, 09:36:44 am
Looks like there will be a grand coalition in Sweden after the next election, just like in Germany.

Nah, that is not going to happen. Especially not if M+S doesn't even maintain a majority together. A pure M minority would probably be more stable if this were the actual results.

Btw, what happened to Folkpartiet??

They're crap. It's as simple as that.
79  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 23, 2015, 02:26:34 am
The Swedish Greens have found themselves under attack of immense criticism after the huge state-owned energy company Vattenfall announced that they would be selling their coal mines in eastern Germany.

The Swedish-owned coal energy production in Germany is seen as a huge environmental liability, as it causes more CO2 emissions than all domestic Swedish industry combined. During the election campaign the Greens number one election promise was that they would stop the sale of the mines, and instead close them down entirely, and co-leaders, Åsa Romson and Gustav Fridolin was constantly seen carrying around a gimmicky piece of coal to ram home the message.




The fact that they have now caved in on the promise has left them in an incredibly bad position. It's basically the Swedish equivalent of the LibDems raising tuition fees. The leader of the Left Party have been the fiercest crititc saying that Åsa Romson, who is also Minister for Environment, will need to wear a paper-bag1 of shame at future climate conferences. It's quite likely this will do incredible damage the party who've been struggling in opinion polls ever since they entered government a year ago.


1) The exact word used was pillow of shame, which is the equivalent  Swedish idiom. 
80  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Corbyn vs the Pigdiddler on: September 21, 2015, 11:29:29 am
There is an old story about a Danish cabaret star in the 20s whose rival spread a rumor she had had sex with a Saint Bernard. Completely unfounded, of course. Nevertheless the audience started balking at her whenever she went on stage and she eventually had to quit. Later emigrated to Argentina (which would be an ironic place for Cameron to end). Not saying Cameron will meet the same faith, but there is something about accusations of animal sex (and the like) that just tends to stick. It really appeals to human imagination and the coarsest instincts of the public.

Catherine the Great of Russia and the story of her making love to a horse would be another example. Though all historians seems agree  it was a completely made up rumor, it's still the most known "fact" about her to this day. 
81  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Corbyn vs the Pigdiddler on: September 21, 2015, 11:10:32 am
I'm assuming that Ashcroft is trolling, the sources seem dubious at best. Though as Downing street doesn't seem to have denied it yet, the jury is still out.
82  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: September 21, 2015, 06:59:28 am
the acronym always used for the Danish Social Democrats

Isn't their short form A? Tongue I've actually only seen them referred to as SD in international texts.


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They should have been SVD, which sounds less good and doesn't help them establish the positive connotation to social democracy.

Not much of a connotation as the Social Democrats have never been referred to by the acronym SD in Sweden. Actually, I can hardly think of any countries where Social Democratic parties acronyms are "SD" It's SDP in the UK, SPD in Germany, SPÖ in Austria, and so on. Even in the Nordic countries,  it's SDA in Iceland, SDP in Finland, S in Sweden, and AP... in Norway. Clearly the Danes are the odd birds out, and as noted above SD isn't even their official acronym. 

Giving the Sweden Democrats the acronym SVD, would also not fit with the established tradition of how acronyms for political parties in Sweden are formed. Three letter acronyms for parties are almost unheard of for any major party, except the very historically outdated SAP.

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why should I change the acronym always used for the Danish Social Democrats because some upstart right wing populist party in Sweden uses it too?

You shouldn't, I just like to grind your gears. Tongue

Obviously there are other Danish parties that share acronyms with ideologically different parties, such as Venstre and Vänsterpartiet, and Liberal Alliance and Left Alliance in Finland, so I think we can cope with this one as well. Wink



 
83  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: September 21, 2015, 04:04:36 am
Just ftr, we should probably avoid the acronym "SD" on this thread.

You are my hero! ^^

84  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greece parliamentary election - September 20, 2015 on: September 20, 2015, 03:17:38 pm
The sources I've read also says that both SYRIZA and ANEL has confirmed they'll continue in government together. :/
85  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Which world Leader would you vote for on: September 20, 2015, 10:49:11 am
I wasn't aware that Lofven was pro austerity though, that's a point less in his favor.

The Swedish Social Democrats have been very pro-austerity since the 90's. They've been incredibly loyal to the North European line in the Greece question, and the reason they've distended themselves from the Left Party is because the Left doesn't want to accept the strict spending limits that the right and Social Democrats in Sweden has agreed to.

I like him because his is one of the only western governments to criticise and stop selling arms to the Sauds...

Actually it's pretty well known that Löfvén wanted to continue selling weapons to them, and he was only forced into letting that go after the Greens and Wallström forced him into it with all the clout they had. So if that's the reason, well...

86  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greece parliamentary election - September 20, 2015 on: September 20, 2015, 06:52:44 am
Turnout seems to be low so far. 

Not surprising. Who'd bother to vote in an election when there'll be a new one in no time. Wink
87  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Which world Leader would you vote for on: September 20, 2015, 06:47:50 am
What drugs are the people who're voting for Löfvén taking? I mean, I can understand the appeal of the Swedish Social Democratic Party, but I cannot understand why anyone would prefer its current leader when they have a plethora of other choices. Who are these members? Pro-austerity left-wingers that like moderate heroes? That sounds like an oxymoron on this site. 
88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 17, 2015, 05:56:23 am
Thanks Politicus, very interesting.

It should be noted that, in Sweden, the city councils are allowed to create and delegate power to committees as well. In larger municipalities there are always a number of committees, my city has as much as 12 committees for example. In small rural municipalities however committees are rarely used today. 

 
89  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Corbynwatch on: September 17, 2015, 04:47:13 am
Though the "Susan from Wherevershire wants to know"  part at the start of every question was tedious, I actually thought the new format with asking real questions, and sort of getting real answers were a good improvement, and Corbyn did handle it surprisingly well. Certainly better than I've ever seen Miliband handle PMQ:s.   
90  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 17, 2015, 04:39:23 am
Interesting, I've never really thought about how the forms of local government differ in the Nordic countries. Really cool that the Norwegian councils can choose between two different systems. I hope this isn't something that is planned to be abolished in the government's terrible municipal merger reform?   

In Sweden of course we have a single form where the city council proportionally elects an executive board (kommunstyrelse) containing both governing and opposition parties, with the chairman of that board being in effect  the mayor of that city, and is mostly translated as mayor in international contexts. However the Swedish word for mayor, borgmästare, is never used for them, instead any full-time politician on the municipal level is called kommunalråd (or borgarråd in Stockholm, because Stockholm is special Roll Eyes). To confuse things though, some places have however recreated an honorary title of borgmästare . So we both have the real mayors (which are not called that) and honorary mayors in a few places, with-out actual power.   
91  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Australian Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull? on: September 16, 2015, 05:03:50 am
Well let's see, Conservative reactionaries on here dislike him because he toppled their darling crazy SoCon Abbott. While the lefty crowd dislikes him because he has now endangered a guarantied centre-left election win.

Obviously it's a guy to my taste. ^^ FF all over! 
92  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 15, 2015, 03:43:30 am
Good to see Sentern doing well.

Could any of the Norwegian posters tell me why Os in Hordaland is such an Frp stronghold?
93  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Liberal Party Leadership Ballot. on: September 14, 2015, 07:07:37 am
Maggie chose to stand down before the inevitable hammering by Hezza, tho. Tongue

Yes, she had more self-respect than Abbott. Wink
94  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Liberal Party Leadership Ballot. on: September 14, 2015, 07:01:35 am
Seems crazy that the leader of a party, and the Prime Minister can get couped in a simple vote



Maggie agrees!

95  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: September 14, 2015, 01:24:01 am
So when is the next time Australia will have a Prime Minister that serves an entire term with-out being toppled in an internal leadership election?
96  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Political parties with misleading names on: September 13, 2015, 02:55:51 pm
I'm surprised that the Moderate party in Sweden hasn't been mentioned yet. They're sort of middle-ground these days, but they were the furthest right you could get in Sweden back when they adopted the name.
97  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should Golden Dawn, Jobbik, the NPD and other such neonazi parties be banned on: September 13, 2015, 02:53:00 pm
When TNF and BRTD has two of the most sensible and reasonable posts in a thread you know something is derailing.

I'd just like to say I agree completely with Alcon's post. I don't trust any institution to make the decision on what opinions are alright and not alright, such power would ultimately be abused. We have to trust in our ability to defeat horrible opinions at the ballot box. If we can't entrust voters to make the right decision when it comes to upholding democracy and basic human rights how can we entrust them with much more complex issues?
98  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 13, 2015, 02:09:09 pm
So, what will the cast aside youth-wing do? Is Ohlson some Malema-esque rabble raiser?

They're going to start by suing the mother party. At least according to one of the few interviews Ohlsson has given. SDU is listed as an associated organisation in the party's by-laws, and those can only be changed if supported by 75% of delegates at the party conference. So unless the party manages to get the sufficient 75% at this year's conference there will be a legal battle if they can actually cut their ties to the youth wing.

So SDU is going to fight to remain part of the party, and if they succeed they have said their aim is to defeat and replace the current leadership.

If they fail, they have indicated that they'll form a new party however.

Interesting situation. When is the party conference?

November
99  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 13, 2015, 02:01:04 pm
So, what will the cast aside youth-wing do? Is Ohlson some Malema-esque rabble raiser?

They're going to start by suing the mother party. At least according to one of the few interviews Ohlsson has given. SDU is listed as an associated organisation in the party's by-laws, and those can only be changed if supported by 75% of delegates at the party conference. So unless the party manages to get the sufficient 75% at this year's conference there will be a legal battle if they can actually cut their ties to the youth wing.

So SDU is going to fight to remain part of the party, and if they succeed they have said their aim is to defeat and replace the current leadership.

If they fail, they have indicated that they'll form a new party however.
100  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: September 11, 2015, 02:46:24 am
Why is Burnham polling so low? I assumed he'd end up being Corbyn's main opponent. He's probably the best choice to keep the party together.

Unfortunately, though keeping the party together might be a leaders most important job, it is usually not the issue party members vote on in leadership elections.

That is why the Swedish Social Democratic Party still won't allow its members to elect its leader.
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