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76  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 11, 2015, 06:47:31 am
Surely, if Lars L÷kke Rasmussen fails to win this time, he'll be gone for real as Venstre leader? Who would be the favoured candidates to succeed him as leader?     
77  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: April 08, 2015, 03:02:42 pm
Would Kasselstrand & Hahne be likely to form their own party?

Yes, I think that is quite likely. It wouldn't be the first breakaway party formed out of dissatisfied SD members, but it'd probably be the first to get major media attention as Nationaldemokraterna was founded when SD was still an insignificant party outside of parliament and Framstegspartiet was founded by local nobodies.   
78  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: April 08, 2015, 08:09:21 am
The Sweden Democrats are about to purge their youth organization (SDU), which is more radically nationalist (to say the least..).

Both SDU-chairman Gustav Kasselstrand and his deputy William Hahne are on their way out and according to Aftonbladet at least 20 others risk to be expelled.

Temporary party leader Mattias Karlsson says that the SDU leadership has allied with persons from extremist organizations to "change the ideology of the mother party" and that this group includes persons from anti-democratic organizations such as Nordic Youth, antisemitic conspiracy theorists and persons who have expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler (surprise, surprise..).

On the other side Kasselstrand claims Mattias Karlsson has turned the party into "a freakshow" and says he has already been expelled with no explanation, while Hahne says Karlsson is a control freak using Soviet methods and unfair accusations of extremism to get rid of critics.

Karlsson has vacated for Jimmie ┼kesson as party leader for five months, but the big boss will return from his sick leave this week. Jimmie ┼kesson left because of stress, but it seems likely running the party will be far from stress-free.

This is a continuation of a longer struggle between SD and it's youth organisation leading back to 2012 when Kasselstrand and the party leadership fell out with each other over foreign policy. Since then the conflict has been brewing under the surface, and the party leadership has twice put up challengers to him at youth conferences.

The conflict escalated in March this year when Kasselstrand's second in charge, William Hahne defeated the incumbent local chairman of SD Stockholm City, in an internal election for the chairmanship.

Internal leaks, says that the party leadership has for a while feared a challenge from Kasselstrand (backed by the youth organisation) to Jimmie ┼kesson's leadership at the national party conference this autumn. Something that might seem like wild conspiracy theories, but it should be remembered that ┼kesson himself, as leader of the youth organisation, won the leadership ten years ago by dethroning the incumbent leader in a coup.               
79  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 06, 2015, 10:02:13 pm
Blue Bloc has presented a joint proposal of lowering the age of criminal responsibility from 15 to 12 and introducing Child and Youth Courts.

*Throws up a bit in my mouth*

Denmark why do you do this to me? I like you Denmark! Why do all your parties have to be either  socialists, annoying feel-good hipsters or wanna-be Texas Republicans? (I count Helle and her followers as wanna-be Republicans) 

Well, Mr. Hyperbole Texas Republicans are hardly the inspiration for anyone here. Ron Paul is the only Texan that ever inspired any Danish politicians and only the radical wing of Liberal Alliance.

Whether they're inspired by them or not is besides the point. Lowering the age of criminal responsibility is exactly the sort  of populist, unscientific, and reactionary social conservatism I'd expect from Texas Republicans, not from supposedly liberal European parties like Venstre and LA, or for that sake, Social Democratic parties.

And if that's hyperboling according to you, I'll hyberbole with pride.
80  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 06, 2015, 04:33:03 pm
Blue Bloc has presented a joint proposal of lowering the age of criminal responsibility from 15 to 12 and introducing Child and Youth Courts.

*Throws up a bit in my mouth*

Denmark why do you do this to me? I like you Denmark! Why do all your parties have to be either  socialists, annoying feel-good hipsters or wanna-be Texas Republicans? (I count Helle and her followers as wanna-be Republicans) 
81  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Finnish parliamentary election ľ April 19th 2015 on: April 02, 2015, 01:45:02 am

And apparently you missed this post:
Oh I know, I meant left alliance

Yep I did. I have CrabCake on ignore, so I only see his stuff when people quote him.  ^^
82  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Finnish parliamentary election ľ April 19th 2015 on: April 01, 2015, 07:30:20 am
Is it true that the Finnish Greens are economically right of the SDP?

The voters or the leadership?

Either way, not really. They have curiously rightist rhetoric and are less resistant to alliances with the right-wing parties than say, the Swedish Greens; but their policies on paper are not highly different from LA. (They're big Basic Income fans, for example).

I think they are quite open to the flexicurity model, which a lot of more 'statist' and union allied Social Democrats may oppose.


Who are they?

An educated guess is that LA is suppouse to be short for Left Alliance. Tongue
83  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Where would you rather live? on: April 01, 2015, 06:36:41 am
Why not have the best of both and settle in New Zealand? Wink

Although both would be interesting and fun places to live, UK slightly wins out because I really don't like heat, and you know, the terrible thing that is Australian politics. (ALP, Tony Abbott, *throws up*)
84  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: March 24, 2015, 06:21:41 pm
The Danish SDs should be euthanized.

I'm so glad when we agree on something 100%  ^^

The thing is that at this point it is basically an advantage for Danish politicians (outside of Radikale and the left wing) to be criticized by Swedes on immigration and integration.

Well it's a door that swings both ways. V and S aren't running these ads because they think it will affect the Danish Social Democrats or Danish opinion, they're using it to win political points at home, as Denmark is often seen as the worst example to what will happen if we give in to demands for stronger restrictions for immigrants.  Them criticizing SD because this ad might help SD, but it also helps themselves here at home by energizing their grassroots.   

85  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: LOLGreece - Part 1268 on: March 18, 2015, 05:49:27 am
Antonio has been disappointed by every new centre-left government in western Europe and North America for as long as I've been on the forum, so I think it is only fair to give him another fifty days to hold out hope for this government.


On the topic, it's of course greatly scandalous that Samaras' government did nothing to retrieve these tax evaders, and if the current government continue to follow in their footsteps they've really relinquished the one thing were I actually though they could make an improvement.   

But it's still early in their term so lets see what they do on the matter in the upcoming months. Still one would hope that this, and not war reparations (Roll Eyes) would be a more pressing priority. 

 
86  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: March 15, 2015, 04:59:33 pm
While it seems morally correct to scrap this deal, the handling of our foreign policy is beginning to worry me. They seem to have no idea what they're doing.

I think the plan is quite clear: grow a backbone and push the international Overton window as much as possible on important issues.

Foreign policy is complicated. There are lots of countries that Sweden has trade and diplomatic ties with that are terrible and that we should and have criticized. The government might be incompetent on most counts, but this blow-up with the Saudi's isn't really the government's fault at all. I'm willing to give the them the benefit of the doubt.

I also think it was right and brave of Wallstr÷m to call Saudi law medieval, because it is.
87  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Greece threatens open Western Europe for jihadists, confiscating German property on: March 12, 2015, 06:04:18 am
Desperation is a sign of imminent defeat, no?
I'd really like to see Kammenos trying to sell open boarders and mass immigration to his xenophobic voters. Tongue

I actually thought Tsipras would be a somewhat sensible and pragmatic player on the political stage and maybe even manage to cobble together some sort of compromise with the Troika. As it is now he is just ramming his dick into a wall, and the wall is obviously winning. The tragedy being that when it all comes falling down, it will once again be the Greek people who will pay the price of their politicians incompetence.

   
88  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: March 08, 2015, 03:06:10 am
The Saudi offer is a bit of a surprise since Saudi-Arabia hitherto has supported the rival Menningarsetur m˙slima ß ═slandi, which were expelled from FÚlag m˙slima ß ═slandi a couple of years ago for extremism and fanaticism.

Why is it a surprise?  A classic way of controlling people is to get them dependent upon your money and then threaten to cut it off unless you do what they want.

The Icelandic press thinks it is a surprise, probably because they don't have your devious Southern mind.

I would add that Saudi-Arabia trying to buy influence in something as marginal as Iceland is in itself surprising.

They don't care about Iceland, but about Iceland's Muslims.  Wahhabism seeks to convert all heretic Muslims to the true faith.

All five of the icelandic muslims? :0
89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which show is a more accurate representation of the US political system? on: March 04, 2015, 01:46:15 pm
They're both equally laughable in the opposite directions.

^This^

The nauseating idealism and hackishness of the West Wing and the dark cynicism of House of Cards are equally unrealistic. The best tv-series to get a real sense of politics is Borgen, which doesn't really apply to the American political system.

How exactly is Borgen any less idealistic than West Wing?

I could make a long list, but to name a few examples, Nyborg is constantly struggling with her popularity numbers (which for most of the series are implied to be bad), often has to compromise with her principles and ideals, alienate several friends and her husbands because of her job and ultimately, in the end, looses reelection and only gets to come back as a junior partner in the least worst of two bad coalition alternatives. She also has to be manipulating and conniving at times to outsmart people like Laugusen who belong more in House of Cards than anywhere else. 
90  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which show is a more accurate representation of the US political system? on: March 04, 2015, 12:34:09 pm
They're both equally laughable in the opposite directions.

^This^

The nauseating idealism and hackishness of the West Wing and the dark cynicism of House of Cards are equally unrealistic. The best tv-series to get a real sense of politics is Borgen, which doesn't really apply to the American political system.

Veep is the correct answer.

Yeah it's certainly a better representation than both WW and HoC

 
91  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: March 04, 2015, 12:23:42 pm
Wasn't this because the favoured candidates stepped aside?

Actually I think it was because Alf Svensson told the election committee that he wanted it that way. Tongue
92  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: March 04, 2015, 05:31:39 am
Big news today also as Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson came out and said that the government would be looking to abolish the current 1% budget surplus goal and replace it with a simple balanced budget goal.

This came not a second too late in my opinion since as many economists, Confed. of Swedish Enterprise, all major trade unions, etc. have said, the surplus goal is really no longer needed when we have a relatively low national debt of 30-40% compared to the 80% we had in the early 90s. Besides, we haven't run a budget surplus for several years and for the sake of all honesty none of the parties would've ran on billions and billions of austerity cuts and tax hikes in the next election just to reach the 1% surplus goal. Better to set the goal of a balanced budget now instead so we won't have to see lots of empty talk about reaching the 1% surplus in the coming years when in reality there's no true political will to do so.

What are you talking about!? :O

Don't you know that the barns are empty, debt is running crazy because of the neoliberal tax cuts, and the economy is in shambles because the Alliance mismanaged the economy for the last eight years!!!

Or did the new government magically fix all those problems in the last few months? Tongue
I have to say, despite not being able to pass a budget or any major legislation through parliament, the Social Democrats sure are an effective bunch at fixing things. Roll Eyes   

93  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: March 03, 2015, 06:41:37 am
Cmon Johan, you are the one that wanted a separate Sweden thread. No need to answer him here.

Yes, but since Gustaf posted it here I assumed he'd be more likely to see my reply here. Wink


And, yeah, by Swedish standards I think she is. I've seen her speak live and was relatively impressed.

Well we'll have to disagree then I guess.

I'll admit that I'm basing my impression of her mostly from the documentary series Kommunpampar, were I really thought she came across as a stiff and cold careerist. But I've seen here preform decently in debates about affermative action since then, but not enough that I'd qualify her as charismatic.   
94  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: March 02, 2015, 04:36:17 pm
Busch is the charismatic leader of KD in Uppsala. 

Really... ?I will have to disagree with you here Gustaf.  If Busch seemed any more cold she'd be the ice queen from Narnia. Busch might be charismatic for KD, but really, that's not saying much.
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Behold: The Troll on: February 25, 2015, 06:56:53 pm
Instead of banning him, why don't all of us "fairies" send him lots of flirtatious PMs? I'd reckon he'd either be so disturbed he'd leave on his own or come to terms with his own internal repressed homosexuality and become a better person.
96  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: February 25, 2015, 07:17:50 am
If Alternativet receives 1,9% (under the 2% threshold for parliamentary representation) of the votes in the election, their votes would indirectly benefit the Danish Peoples party and the blue bloc just as the Feminist Initiative party indirectly benefited the Sweden Democrats by only receiving 3,1% (which was under the 4% threshold in Sweden). Morten Messerschmidt of the DPP and Simon Emil Amitzb÷ll of the Liberal Alliance encouraged their followers on Facebook and Twitter to help Alternativet get on the ballots.

Not going to happen. Uffe ElbŠk is no Gudrun Schyman.

It should also be noted that Feminist Initiative had eight years in the wilderness before actually going somewhere, and their first two elections they didn't come close to hitting 1% even with Schyman at the steering wheel. So I agree with politicus on this matter. Tongue
97  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: War is coming on: February 18, 2015, 09:34:55 am
Guys, im concerned about this.  Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura say its gonna happen!

And the little credibility this discussion had just went flying out of the window.
98  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Antifascism amendment on: February 11, 2015, 04:16:03 pm
 
The modern "Fascist" is essentially defined as anyone you dislike politically, so yeah...I am sure this would work great.
Bandit is a noted fascist, of course.

Banning people from holding office on a purely subjective political ground is actually quite Fascist. I therefor conclude that Sanchez is right, and Bandit is in fact a terrible Fascist (if not a Fascist commie even).
99  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Hypocritical Germans refuse to aid the countries that aided them on: February 09, 2015, 11:27:01 am
To put this in perspective, in the US, which has a functioning internal labour market, little welfare, much more homogeneity economically AND a common language and culture, the richer states still pay roughly the equivalent of the largest Greek bailout from Germany. Every year. As a constant state of affairs, more or less. That's what monetary union is. Once people realize this they might also realize how ridiculous it is to try and sustain this nonsense.

So you also support disbanding the US? Tongue

Why not? We could use its disbanding to solve the Greek crisis. I see the Transatlantic Kingdom of Greecissippi in fron of me right now. Tongue 
100  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Hypocritical Germans refuse to aid the countries that aided them on: February 05, 2015, 05:36:01 pm
Gut feelings don't make for sound policy, though. And yes, if the alternative is between spending money you don't have and depriving your citizens of the most basic services, cutting their wages to 3rd world levels and letting them sink into absolute destitution, the first option is preferable. Besides the fact that austerity is inhumane, it doesn't even work for the narrow goal that has always been set for it, as it ends up causing a depression that makes the debt even worse. To cling to this idea just because your guts tell you it's right is not only immoral, it's stupid even by a strictly economic standpoint.

What exactly is morality if not gut feelings, Antonio? Is there a scientific calculation for what counts as good moral? I fail to see how one gut feeling is more correct than another.

My point still stands true. The anti-austerity crowd on here can't present a single option except to keep giving money to them, and hope they do the right thing. Then what? Call that a strawman if you want, but then also present what your alternative line of action is.

If a government can be as populist as it pleases, promising everything to everyone without considering if they can actually afford it, and be allowed to run the country into the ground with-out any consequences, because someone will always be there to bail you out, eventually there will be no one left who can bail out, and we will all  eventually sink into absolute destitution.

Thankfully over thousands of years humanity has been able to conceive moral principles slightly more articulate and sound than those based on gut feelings. It's a shame you appear to be stuck in this primary state.

I don't need to present a fully fleshed alternative (though many brilliant economists have, SWL is right that you should check out Piketty), because austerity is objectively worse than any of the conceivable alternatives from any perspective. Since you seem so concerned about Greece reforming itself, you should be the one coming up with a reasonable solution to achieve this goal. Because austerity hasn't achieved that outcome.

Oh baloney! There is no such thing as a universal set of moral principles conceived through-out human history. If you want me to believe that you consciously deliberate on philosophical principles and different theories through-out history when you're deciding if you think something is right or wrong, you must take me for a simpleton. You go by the gut, you just think your own gut is more correct than everybody else.

As to what I think should be done, firstly I believe Greece should try to arrange a manageable walk away from the Euro. Greece needs to be able to control their own monetary policies so that they can change it to suit the situation in the country.  Then they should devalue their currency so that Greek export become cheap and thereby increase the appeal for Greek products, and make tourism cheap, hopefully giving a kick-start to the economy. After that they should do a tax-review where they come up with an effective tax system, and a plan on how they manage to collect that tax-revenue from tax evaders. Then they should adjust their expenditures to that, prioritizing healthcare, education, police and justice, and infrastructure, cutting everything else that cannot be properly financed.   
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