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76  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: October 09, 2015, 05:41:54 am
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I could answer you, it's some good point you bring up, but honestly DavidB brought most of the points up. Through there's one thing I will say again SD is not Progress Party or the True Finns, they're quite different from SD, which have more in common with the Danish Progress Party than either.

I don't entirely disagree with David either. Obviously I don't say that SD would disappear forever. Most parties have an ability to regain support after a bad period in government and a spectacular election loss. Though it would limit the problem for some time. Tongue

I also agree as far as the Progress Party goes, they are a different thing compared to SD. But what is PS except stricter immigration, anti-EU, and anti mandatory Swedish in Finnish schools? Besides the mandatory Swedish thing, those are the exact same pillars as SD stands on. I doubt that there is anyone who really votes for Soini except for those issues. And I'm aware that PS casts itself as the defenders of the welfare state and the working man and what not., but so does SD. That's (as you noted) hardly the reason their voters vote for them.
77  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: October 08, 2015, 09:09:36 am
It wouldn't work, at least not yet. The True Finns or the Progress Party are a more diverse party than SD at least in policies. If you vote for SD you do it for one reason and one reason only, while you can vote for TF or PP for many other reason than immigration. As such SD only need to deliver on one point to say they have kept their promises. Of course they will likely lose a few votes, but you won't see a SD collapse. Also where would SD voters go? They want a harder line against immigration and there's no one else in Sweden delivering on that point.

SD voters aren't some zombie-like creatures. They can't eat restrictions on immigration. They can't work at restrictions of immigration. Even if it's true that people only vote for them for one reason, they still has to be successful in other areas as well. Their poor working-class voters aren't going to just accept the cuts they propose to welfare in their budgets even if they get rid of a few immigrants. Nor are previously Moderate voters going to accept bad handling of the economy.

People can vote for SD solely on a single issue because they can imagine that SD will fulfill everything they wish for, but when that bubble breaks it's much harder to vote only on the issue of immigration. Which is exactly why responsibility is kryptonite  to these sorts of parties. They are huge coaltions that unite lots of people that only have a single thing in common, immigration. When it comes time to deliver on more issues, it's just not possible for them to please all their voters, which causes them to tremble.

As to the idea that "they can't go anywhere else", it should be noted that that is equally true in Norway. All the non-governmental parties there are pro-immigration. Doesn't keep Frp from declining does it? 
78  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Why are Canada and the US two nations? on: October 08, 2015, 08:44:42 am
You wouldn't see one state/province going to war
against one another, would you?

Actually you would. There are plenty of historic and recent conflicts between different regions of the same state. I can think of quite a major one in the US alone.
 
So, what do you think the reasons are that there is no unification movement?

Maybe since there isn't a problem with wars between the US and Canada, people don't really see the necessity with unification of the two nations to foster peace and understanding between the two of you. Roll Eyes

Also because the Canadians doesn't need the US to run a well functioning country and don't feel the need to share power over their own lives and their own laws with a bunch of American hillbillies who wish to impose their cultural values and ideas on them. You know the same reason secession movements are much more popular in the world in general.
79  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Parliament election - 2016 on: October 08, 2015, 07:39:09 am
First opinion poll since Jeremy Corbyn became Labour leader:

TNS-BMRB
Constituency ballot:
SNP - 56% (-2)
Lab - 21% (-2)
Con - 12% (n/c)
Lib - 6% (n/c)

Regional list ballot:
SNP - 52% (+1)
Lab - 23% (-1)
Con - 11% (n/c)
Lib - 6% (n/c)
Grn - 5% (-1)

As we can clearly see, Corbyn will as predicted reconquer Scotland to the Labour fold... 
80  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: October 08, 2015, 07:35:53 am
Here you see what happens when xenophopic right-wing populist party which labels itself as "working class party without socialism" attacks the unions in the cabinet at the same time with refugee crisis.

Being put in an actual role of responsibility tends to be kryptonite to most xenophobic populist parties. Look at the state of Frp at the moment, or what happened to FPÖ after their participation in the Schüssel-government.

It's actually so that I wish we could hand over the reigns of government to the Sweden Democrats for a year and watch them crash and burn and destroy themselves and we could finally move on and have actual political discussions again in this country.
81  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: September 30, 2015, 09:15:04 am
Also Quebec responds well to racism, evidently.

Well, the only thing worse than people that speak English instead of French, is people who speak neither I guess...
82  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015 (Official Campaign Thread) on: September 30, 2015, 08:40:19 am
So I've been out, what's the reason NDP has dropped in the polls?
83  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you vote for in the Vienna state election ? on: September 30, 2015, 03:35:07 am
NEOS, the sane centre-right choice. Tongue
84  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics (Today: Upper Austria state election) on: September 28, 2015, 01:06:32 am
97% Nebelberg
69% Mondsee

It's really impressive turn-out for a regional election, that doesn't take place at the same time as a general election. 
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you know any politicians? on: September 26, 2015, 06:30:05 pm
I know a few members of the Swedish parliament. If we're speaking of local politicians as well I know even more, being one myself.
86  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 25, 2015, 05:39:23 am
Is the Finnish Bible Belters Swedish speaking or both communities? I see Jakobstad is 56.4% Swedish-speaking/40.2% Finnish-speaking according to Wiki (would have guessed 2:1, but Swedish keeps shrinking).

Both. The Swedish speaking municipality Larsmo, north of Jakobstad, is the heart of the Finish Bible Belt though. I believe the Christian Democrats got around 40% of the vote there in the Finish General Election. I actually dated a guy (Swedish speaker) from there, who had very conservative and Christian parents.
87  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 25, 2015, 05:36:25 am
Alright, I can't claim every single person is is. But a large majority are. I made a generalization that people make every single day, that most people understand is a rhetorical generalization and should not be taken literally. Sheesh...

Yes generalizations such as:

- Immigrants are criminals
- Women want children
- Gay people are promiscuous
- Danes are racist
- Urban people are arrogant and know nothing of the rest of the country

Yes people make generalizations, I have too at times. That doesn't make it right.
I'm sure you didn't have any bad intentions, but when you come with incorrect facts (rhetorical or not) I feel it should be pointed out that it is in fact incorrect. Not only does it spread stereo-types about rural people, you also enforce stereo-types about yourself as lots of people on the countryside think that people who've lived their entire lives in Oslo or Stockholm is ignorant about anything that happens in the rest of the country, especially in rural areas.
88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 25, 2015, 04:54:25 am
OK, (slightly) homophobic may be the wrong word (you ignored the word slightly). Would "somewhat uncomfortable when an openly gay person is around" suit you better? By the way, I think you'll find the Norwegian countryside is somewhat more conservative than the Swedish countryside.

I'm not upset if you say some people in rural areas are slightly homophobic and I wouldn't be upset if you said some people are very homophobic as there certainly are those kinds of people. I'm upset you said that everyone is.

My family, and lots of my friends that I had growing up have always been very supportive of my sexuality and has never been uncomfortable with me being open or any of my boyfriends for that matter and they are very clearly rural people. It's quite insensitive to lump such wonderful people with the bigots, who bullied me for being gay when I grew up. You should never generalize in that way. Homophobia is more usual in the countryside, but that doesn't mean all rural people act and think the same.

The Norwegian countryside might very well be more conservative than the Swedish countryside, I have no idea to be honest, but I'm thoroughly convinced that not everyone who lives there are slightly homophobic or even uncomfortable in the presence of openly gay people.
89  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 25, 2015, 04:24:32 am
everyone outside the big cities is slightly homophobic, but won't display it because that would be making a scene

What?! Now you're just making unjust generalizations. I grew up in a rural area in Sweden and though lots of people certainly held homophobic opinions and it certainly is more socially conservative than most non-Scandinavians think, it's greatly untrue to claim that all, or even most, of people outside of the big cities are homophobes. That isn't the case in Sweden, and I don't think that changes when you cross the Norwegian boarder.

90  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 25, 2015, 02:33:13 am
Why are there so many conservative Christians down there? Retiree spot?

Nah, SW = Bible Belt.

Quite interestingly, despite the image of the Nordic countries as very secular and non-religious, most of us have a Conservative miniature bible belt. In Sweden it covers mostly Jönköping county (sometimes given the pun nickname Bönköping which means Prayer Town) southern Västergötland and a string of islands on the West coast north and west of Gothenburg. The Norwegian one is in the area you identified,  in Finland it's some of the areas in Österbotten centered around Jakobstad.

There is one on Jutland in Denmark as well, but I think Politicus would tell me I was wrong if I tried to identify where exactly, so I'll leave it to her better knowledge to tell you exactly where it is. Smiley

Iceland, as far as I know, doesn't have a bible belt, though I imagine Politicus can correct me on this as well. On the other hand all of the Faroe Islands outside of Torshavn is a bible belt.       
91  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Norwegian local elections, 2015 on: September 24, 2015, 05:53:49 pm
Why are KrF so strong in the Southern muncipalaties?

Lots of Christians.
92  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: With Internation Political Parties are most simular to each other on: September 24, 2015, 04:04:31 pm
The Norwegian Labour Party and the Swedish Social Democrats are incredibly similar in everything from policies and organisation to history and voter base and support. Not only that but they also have  a very close actual relationship with each other.

Some would probably call this a no brainer, assuming that all Nordic sister parties are similar to each other, but that is not actually the case. The distance from our Social Democrats to the Danish for example is pretty huge, with the Swedish party even denouncing some of the Danish party's policies during the Danish election.

 
93  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics (Sept. 27 - Upper Austria state election) on: September 24, 2015, 03:40:51 am
Upper Austria has Proporz (SPÖ and FPÖ are in the state government too).

I'm assuming that Proporz means this state government uses a similar system as Swedish municipalities and all parties who are proportionally big enough gets into the government's executive board, but where there is an unofficial majority (ÖVP+Grüne) that cooperates on budget matters. Would that be correct?
94  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Austrian Elections & Politics (Sept. 27 - Upper Austria state election) on: September 24, 2015, 03:07:50 am
If the ÖVP comes in first, which I assume they will, but FPÖ still does as well as they're expected to, how likely is a ÖVP+FPÖ coalition to follow?
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of AntonioV on: September 23, 2015, 05:05:49 pm
A person with terrible opinions who are profoundly wrong on everything from economic policies, Euro-federalism, to his awful weather preferences and sexual puritanism, but who've been a stable pillar of interesting debate for the 6 years we've spent here and who, despite being wrong on almost everything, at times are one of few sane voice of reason on this forum, and always one of the most genuinely good persons.
96  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 23, 2015, 11:35:39 am
But just wishful thinking from a professional defense analyst?

I would say so, yes.
97  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 23, 2015, 10:57:17 am
The Russians already consider Sweden and Finland secret NATO members.

That's because we are secret NATO members. As you point out, it's not even that secret. Tongue It is only in name that we aren't members.

It is an correct analysis that there is a divide in the Social Democratic Party. However the people who doesn't want an official membership in their ranks greatly outnumber the people who do. So I wouldn't describe it as membership being imminent. It certainly won't happen until after the 2018 elections unless Russia would invade the Baltic countries.

Though as a staunch supporter of Swedish membership in NATO, I would be happy to be proven wrong. 
98  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is anything worse than death? on: September 23, 2015, 10:45:35 am
No matter your religious conviction, how can anyone answer no to this question?


If you believe in an afterlife, death is just a passage to another life.
If you don't believe in an afterlife, your feelings and thoughts would just cease to exist, meaning it would be completely impossible for you to feel pain or be bored or whatever.

Being subject to constant pain and psychological torment would obviously be far far worse. I can only agree with Antonio, if your own death is your greatest fear, you lack imagination.
99  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 23, 2015, 10:25:47 am
People missed my question, so I'll ask again: is Sweden likely to join NATO in the near future?

No, not really. The Social Democrats are still too negative towards the idea, and even in a hypothetical situation were the Alliance would get their own majority again, they probably wouldn't be willing to take such a big step without support from the other side, as Defense policy by tradition is made across the aisle in Sweden and it would be a huge change. It's a shame (in my opinion) but there you have it.

However, if Russia keeps getting more aggressive, all bets are off.
100  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: September 23, 2015, 09:36:44 am
Looks like there will be a grand coalition in Sweden after the next election, just like in Germany.

Nah, that is not going to happen. Especially not if M+S doesn't even maintain a majority together. A pure M minority would probably be more stable if this were the actual results.

Btw, what happened to Folkpartiet??

They're crap. It's as simple as that.
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