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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary's cabinet on: Today at 02:55:15 pm
Vice President: Mrs. Bill Clinton

State: Hillary Rodham Clinton
Treasury: Hillary R. Clinton
Defense: Hillary Clinton
Justice: Hilldog
Interior: Hilldawg
Agriculture: HRC
Commerce: H. R. Clinton
Labor: H. Rodham Clinton
HHS: Hillary Rodham
HUD: Hillary Diane Rodham
Transportation: Hillary D. Rodham
Energy: H. D. Rodham
Education: H. Diane Rodham
Veterans: HR
Homeland HDR

This way if she dies in office, she gets to keep serving.
2  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: Today at 02:26:40 pm
OOC- when does this turn end?

It's going to take time. I have to update Venezuela and the Reichstag election, and I have like 40 to 50 PM's of this turn alone, so trust me, it's going to take time, xD

I guess I contributed a lot to this number...

Maybe we can agree not to post anything new in this turn, maybe sans for stuff that was delayed?

I don't want to temper anyone's creativity, so whatever Lumine thinks is best Wink
3  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Let's talk (really) about RosettaStoned on: Today at 01:20:46 pm
Discussing such a nobody is not worth of anybody's time.
4  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power - Second Great-Turkish War (1902) on: Today at 01:14:13 pm
To: The Russian Empire
From: The Ottoman Empire

We would like to respectfully remind that your free passage privileges, established by the Treaty of Jerusalem, are of no practical use as long as the straits are more or less blocked by wracks. We believe it is in everybody's best interest, Russia including, to begin a join efforts to make Bosporus fully navigable.

x Abdul Hamid II
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Will Barack Obama be remembered as the Democrats' Nixon? on: Today at 01:10:32 pm
Is Obama about to get thrown out of office or something?

Stupid thread.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many Chancellors of Germany can you name? on: Today at 09:21:12 am
11/35, although I had trouble with Goebbels for some reason.

Rather insignificant chancellorship Smiley
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many Chancellors of Germany can you name? on: Today at 09:10:09 am
8  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: Today at 09:06:28 am
Honoring our alliance with the United States of America, the Ottoman Empire is hereby declaring war on the Republic of Venezuela.

-- Dispatch a regiment ready to be deployed to aid our American allies in the Carribean if needed. Of course they would need assistance of the U.S. Navy to cross the Ocean.

-- Froze and Venezuelan assets in the Ottoman Empire (I don't know if there are such, but nonetheless)


Despite our recent and present challenges at home, the Ottoman Empire remains firmly committed to work with the United States. We cannot just expect aid without being ready to contribute.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How can I get cash? on: April 16, 2014, 06:43:47 pm
Ha@these numbers. Owned.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Does this forum have a tendency to feign outrage over trivial things? on: April 16, 2014, 06:41:47 pm
Really what's repulsive is the attitude that anything other than politics is somehow unworthy.

Very true.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Guntaker vs. Pol Pot on: April 16, 2014, 06:34:52 pm
Will the mass-murdering Cambodian dictator sink the Guntaker?

Will Snowstalker stop making stupid posts?
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Only Two FDR Terms and on timeline on: April 16, 2014, 06:33:28 pm
13  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Grumps vs. Oakvale on: April 16, 2014, 05:13:50 pm
The one who didn't seriously believe Link was Einzige.

How long are you planning to obsess over this?
14  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: April 16, 2014, 04:44:18 pm
To: The United States
From: The Ottoman Empire

We are very grateful for your financial aid and for responding positively to our military request.

x Abdul Hamid II

To: The Empire of Japan
From: The Ottoman Empire

Thank you for your positive response regarding establishing closer ties. We are much obliged for your proposed naval assistance.

x Abdul Hamid II

To: The United Kingdom
From: The Ottoman Empire

Would you be interested in joining the Cairo-Jerusalem Railway with the Istanbul-Baghdad Railway, once those two are completed?

x Abdul Hamid II

(aaaaand I'm off to bed Wink )
15  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: April 16, 2014, 02:16:44 pm
Sultan to his inner circle (more of reflections than orders):

-- It's a tragedy the war did occur before we were able to reform our state. While we could have waged a long and fierce resistance, that would be just too much of a gamble.

-- There are a few bright spots. The opposition is paralyzed and our state remaining basically intact.

-- I bear no ill will toward Prime Minister Salisbury, Prime Minister Waldeck-Rousseau and, alas, Tsar Nicholas. They did what I would do if I were in their place, given our weakness. Yet, they showed a lot of restraint and good will for which I'm very grateful.

Naturally, it's unthinkable for me or any of my ministers to say such a thing in public, given how much the general public hates them. So we need to keep appearances for now.

-- Loss of the Holy Sites of Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem hurts us immensely as Muslims, but, outside of Palestine, these areas were of little strategic and economic value. We still are the only holder of the Caliphate.

-- Losing the Balkans is a blessing in disguise. There provinces were nothing but source of sorrow for me and my predecessors. They brought us nothing but wars, rebelions, costing human potential, funds, and distracting us from reforms. It grieves me territorial losses occurred during my reign but it was bound to happen anyway.

-- Libya was impossible to hold in a long run. Not without a strong naval force we lacked.

-- The Alliance with America, world's rising powers, is our priority and our future. Allah bless and protect President McKinley and his Republican Party! Just imagine isolationist Cleveland or that wacko Bryan in charge instead. HORRENDOUS!

-- With the country to save, we need to push serious economic and social reforms to improve lives of our citizens and isolate the radicals. Now, when there's so much to do, there's no time for political freedoms.

-- Yes, I'm serious about respecting the Kurdish rights (once there's a peace there). This can be our framework for huge administrative and constitutional reform.

-- We need to revive the policy of "Ottomanism" my great father has pursed now that we have less of hostile minorities. Turkish nationalism is a stupidity, as we have to bring the Turks, Arab and Kurds together as citizens of the Ottoman State - "Ottoman nationalists". We're now almost entirely a Muslim country, that's an important factor. Never forget that.

-- For a long time me, and those in my inner circle, were dubbed conservative or even reactionary. Partly because we believed it's the right way, frankly because our opponents called themselves a "reformists". No more. To survive we must become serious reformers ourselves.

-- I was too long known as "Abdul the Red" or "Abdul the Damned", so it's very unlikely I will ever become "Abdul the Beloved". I shall be satisfied with "Abdul the Acceptable", so my preferred successors and continuators of my works can be "Whateher-His-Name Beloved".

-- Well, you know where we stand. I'm off to my Harem. 

-- Oh, before I forget. Send a telegram to that drunk Italian King, wishing him a speed recovery.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What about Russ Feingold on: April 16, 2014, 12:07:31 pm
I'd love to see him as President, but his best shot was in 2008 and he declined to run.

He should return to the Senate.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post something that would annoy the preceding poster. on: April 16, 2014, 07:46:03 am
Poland was better off divided between Russia and Germany.

You forgot Austria!

18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post something that would annoy the preceding poster. on: April 16, 2014, 07:12:14 am
You're not nearly as good at witty comebacks as you think you are.

Yeah, not sincere of me
19  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: April 16, 2014, 07:07:09 am
Due to demilitarization of the straits, the primary base of the Ottoman Navy shall be relocated to Izmir, with secondary bases in Mesrin and Beirut to be established as the rebuilding of the fleet progresses.

From Navy Secretary Truman Newberry
To- Commanding Officer of the Ottoman Navy

With the US Navy's Mediterranean Task Force based in Constantinople, we are pleased to provide basic defense for your waters while you work to rebuild your navy and nation

From: The Commanding Officer of the Ottoman Navy
To: Secretary of the Navy Truman Newberry

Welcome to our shores!

I welcome the efforts of the Ottoman Empire to combat Anarchism in every country. Since my country has terribly been affected by this menace, I propose a international treaty concerning and condeming Anarchism.

The Treaty of Hamburg:

1. Anarchism is hereby condemmed and illegalized. Every fellow convicted of Anarchism shall be forwarded to the courts of his home country.

2. Every nation signing this treaty shall create a special police force to combat Anarchism. If this is not possible, for whatever reason, nations can turn to the German Empire, who will stay by with aid and training facilities.

3. Every nation that calls itsself civilized is invited to sign this treaty.

x Kaiser Wilhelm III

x Abdul Hamid II

I'd like to propose an amendment that would create a joint commission made up from representatives of the law enforcement from all countries that signed the treaty, to coordinate international efforts and share informations.
20  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: April 16, 2014, 03:56:57 am
To: The Russian Empire
From: The Ottoman Empire

We are very pleased with your wise decisions regarding Armenia. Such country can become a very useful middle ground in our relations.

Naturally, it's in everybody's best interest that you indeed keep a short leash. We, the people of East, can fully understand each other.

x Abdul Hamid II

To: The Japanese Empire
From: The Ottoman Empire

We would like to thank you for your neutrality in the recent conflict. It it a high time our countries can establish a normal, modern relations.

X Abdul Hamid II

Question to GM: What trade routes should I purse?
21  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: April 16, 2014, 03:44:28 am
The Ottoman Empire

Land Reform

We shall continue acquiring the land from aristocracy (particularly disloyal one) for the state and to be redistributed among the poor. Exploit this in propaganda.

Some of the acquired lands and funds are going to be mighty useful in solving the refugee problem.


This problem can't be solved overnight, but we must take care right away.

The Army is to assist the refugees in temporary establishments. Emphasize among the masses that Islam required the community to take care on brothers in need. The population must assist.

The Court shall use whatever it can to help too.

Appeal to the international community, as well as prominent philantroped abroad, for assistance in this great, humanitarian challenge.


This is a pickle. The allies allowed us to keep Kurdistan, but we're also required to respect Kurds' rights by Treaty of Jerusalem. This must be taken care of ASAP.

The source of weaponry and money for the rebels is a great mystery that needs to be solved. Was Persia considered as a suspect? Look at this direction.

For immediate measures, the army must isolate Kurdistan from the rest of our Empire, since the unrests are to be contained. Furthermore, the region must be sealed form Persia.

We have plenty of troops that are eager to right and rehabilitate from the lost war. Use them to combat the rebels. The Secret Police knows the drill.

We shall actively approach the moderate Kurdish leader. Remind them that the western powers, despite promising independence, left them alone when the peace was made and emphasize the Sultan is serious about establishing their cultural and language autonomy, with other reforms to follow. But to achieve this the peace must be restored! Use all carrots and st irks.


I shall approach all interested sides, particularly the Russian Empire. While it harms our trade, semi-blocked Bosporus also hurts all involved Mediterranean players, particularly Russia, that just gained a free movement there and needs a connection between the Black Sea and the Ocean.

We propose a joint action to make the straits fully navigable once again.

Note: Works there are a golden opportunity for our workers!


The war showed a weakness of our infrastructure. While certainly advantageous in delaying the enemy, it also puts a considerable strain of our own logistics, not to mention civilian economy.

We need to seriously take care of our railroads. Aside of Istanbul-Baghdad line, that must be build, I want proposals what other routes should be developed in future.

We shall sent our government officials to the United States, a country with great railroad experience, to discuss the cooperation with their government as well as private business.

Once we have the foreign aid, some money must be allocated to the project.

Last, but definitively not least, this is simply a great chance for our economy. Emphasize planned railroad works as a golden opportunity for our workers!

To: The Ministry of Defense
From: The Sultan

It is highly unfortunate the was has did occur before we were able to reform our military, leaving us unprepared. There are some bright spots, though. We proven we can still deliver unexpectedly strong performance against a superior enemy on multiple fronts. Our troops has gained a valuable experience in modern warfate. Also, rapid strikes in Libya, operation on large areas, were quite successful.

-- I order a report of the state of our Army and the Navy (OOC: asking the GM for more info).

-- What reforms should be taken?

-- With our fleet largely destroyed, we can't even think of competing with the conventional naval powers. The submarine warfare is to be studies and pursed seriously.

-- As stated above, our rapid operations in Libya are worth of deeper studying.

-- We need to create a modern military intelligence.


Well, now they are paralyzed it's high time to deal with them once and for all. Remind the public that so-called "Young Turks", along with egoistical aristocracy, effectively supported the hated enemy, while common men fought and struggled.

The Secret Police knows the drill. Prepare a purge. Lesser followers are to be made known that their youthful indiscretions can be forgiven if they will abandon this infantilty and join rebuilding the country.


In order to futher reform our bureaucracy (IRL it was a task Abdul Hamid II was quite devoted to and good at), as well as to see whether we stand on pursing an administrative reform in unspecified yet future, I shall order a creation of Five Special Administrative Districts (I won't use any Eastern term, so I sound modern):

District A (Istanbul and surroundings)
District B (the rest of Anatolia)
District C (Syria and Lebanon)
District D (Mesopotamia)
District E (Kurdistan)

I shall appoint a High Commissioner to all Districts, who will oversee and coordinate the central administration there, as well as serve as my personal representative to the local authorities,


Points to be used in official sources, as well by the Secret Police, while conducting a discreet, yet whispered propaganda among the masses:

-- Despite an overwhelming odds, we showed to be a force to be reckon with

-- The Sultan saved the Empire from partition and the Faithful from subjugation to the Western, colonial powers

-- Only the Sultan can deliver a real change. The so called "Young Turks" conspired with the disloyal, egoistic aristocrats (all of them just a phony reformists) to aid the enemy

-- We are facing the new beginning

-- The projects, such as railroads, are golden opportunity to the people

-- Remember Opium Scandal. The Sultan and the police saved the people from that menace that ravaged China
22  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: April 16, 2014, 02:48:01 am
The Ottoman Empire will stand with our American allies regarding evens in Venezuela.

I order a Naval task force to sail off to join the U.S. forces there (OOC: Yes, my fleet is rather nonexistent after the war, but I still have some ships the Germans gave us that did not leave their ports, as my orders were to wait, so that's perfect for a "task force")

The Anarchists are enemies of the civilization. A barbaric assassination of Kaiser Wilhelm II is simply the last straw. The Ottoman Empire wishes to join the intergovernmental efforts to combat the menace.
23  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Gameplay Thread) - Late 1902 on: April 15, 2014, 06:58:55 pm
Some Diplomacy first (sorry, but I can't post answers to the issues now. It's almost 2 am here Sad )

To: The United States of America
From: The Ottoman Empire

We would like to request that an agreed upon number of our officers be allowed to study the mighty American art of war with your troops and at your Army and Naval academies.

We want to confirm our desire to invite the United States Navy to establish a permanent bases in our territory.

Regarding the crisis in Venezuela, we are always willing to sent forces whenever you need an additional manpower. There are plenty of men here eager to fight alongside our allies.

x. Abdul Hamid II

To: The German Empire
From: The Ottoman Empire

I want to express my profound sadness over an untimely passing of the great Kaiser Wilhelm II. There was no more respected foreign ruler thorough our country. No words are strong enough to describe my horror at the barbarity of this criminal act.

x Abdul Hamid II

To: The French Republic
From: The Ottoman Empire

I want to congratulate Your Excellency upon securing another term as President of the Council. The French people showed a great wisdom by extending your mandate.

x Abdul Hamid II

To: The Austrian-Hungarian Empire
From: The Ottoman Empire

Thank you for your message. We already consider this to be a closed chapter of history.

x Abdul Hamid II

To: The Kingdom of Armenia
From: The Ottoman Empire

Despite our difficult history, we hope that, once you have achieved your independence, our two countries can establish a friendly relations as it should be among neighbours.   

x Abdul Hamid II
24  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Sign Up/Rules/Commentary Thread) on: April 15, 2014, 04:43:13 pm
Rest in Pieces Wilhelm II
King of Mexico
Liberator of Nauru

25  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Balance of Power (Sign Up/Rules/Commentary Thread) on: April 15, 2014, 03:19:18 pm
I would jump in as Germany.

Welcome, Kaiser Wilhelm!

We have all players again, next turn will start in the afternoon.

Thanks. I just have a little question - if it were possible, I would like to be another monarch. Like Wilhelm died with IBBD, and I'm now Friedrich IV, his son and heir? If not, Ill play as Wilhelm, but so I would be more free in my actions.

Sure, but remember that Wilhelm's heir was Crown Prince Wilhelm (20 years old as of Late 1902), and thus you will play as Kaiser Wilhelm III. I will acknowledge the change via a special event: the assassination of Wilhelm II in the hands of an anarchist (as he was almost killed in Bremen in OTL 1901).

Oh yes, I was kind of confused because his name was Friedrich Wilhelm... So Willhelm III, ok. Thanks.

I'd say you still can adopt a diffrent regal name than Wilhelm III, but I really hate the prolonging delay Tongue

I'm fine with Willhelm III, so don't worry Tongue

With Wilhelm after Wilhelm, we may even reach Wilhelm XVI at some point Wink
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