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101  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Alaska Governor called for Walker! on: November 15, 2014, 02:28:27 pm
You guys remember the 2009 thread speculating whether Sean Parnell is going to be a future presidential contender?
102  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Queen Mary I of England on: November 15, 2014, 12:14:18 pm
No excuses can be made for this deranged woman who had innocent people burned at the stake.

No, but if she were a Protestant burning Catholics at the stake, I doubt you would made this poll.

Now that has got to rank as one of the silliest statements I have ever read on this forum, and there have been countless stupid statements made on this forum.

Nobody, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, whatever, has any right to burn anybody else at the stake because of their religious beliefs.

That behavior is inhuman, revolting and abhorrent.

The depraved Mary Tudor well deserves her place as one of the most hated and reviled monarchs in the entire history of England, and England has a long history.

Yeah, because the other Tudors were paragons of religious tolerance Tongue

The other Tudors is a whole other story.

Without getting into the history of all of them, I will say that Henry VIII was a tyrant and a monster.  His murders and other assorted crimes are too numerous to mention.

The thing is, Mary's actions against Protestants, while indisputably abhorrent, were somewhat magnified by historiography, while her Protestant counterparts, whose prosecution of Catholics was of no lesser degree by any means, are getting a free pass. I mean, nobody calls Elizabeth I "Bloody Elizabeth".

I guess there are three main reasons for that. Due to Protestantism victory in England, Mary was on the "losing side". Second, she reigned for just 5 years, so it's easier to associate it primarily with religious persecution. Third, well, unlike Henry or Elizabeth, both quite outstanding political figures, she was just a pitiful monarch. Cassius is right she had a very bad luck, but that doesn't change the fact she was just not fit to rule. Period. Bad luck or not.

Sad thing is, her "crimes" weren't so special. Almost the entire Europe was ruled by an organized religious persecution with a very few exceptions such as, I'm quite happy to say, Poland-Lithuania (we were even called "A State without Stakes").
103  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Papal Patch (some clarification if you even bother) on: November 15, 2014, 11:59:34 am
Welcome to the Papal Patch, Mr. Pryor (if indeed I am authorized to grant you citizenship - that may be a papal responsibility). I hereby anoint you as Cardinal (again, if I am authorized to do so - we're still not entirely clear on what the responsibilities of the Camerlengo vs. the Pope are).

HOW DARE YOU CONSECRATE CARDINALS ON YOUR OWN?!

We are so mad we could throw a chair against the wall if we weren't so lazy today Angry


Well, actually, if you haven't consecrate him already, I'd do it later Wink
104  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Alaska Governor called for Walker! on: November 15, 2014, 08:59:10 am
Tom Corbett and Sean Parnell: lost reelection in a heavily Republican year.

Junk politicians.
105  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Tom Tancredo launches "Stop Chris Christie PAC" on: November 15, 2014, 07:52:37 am
Losing to Bob Beauprez in the Republican Primary this year wasn't exactly good for him. Still, this is rather funny.

Oh, so he did run.

How come I haven't noticed?
106  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Tom Tancredo launches "Stop Chris Christie PAC" on: November 14, 2014, 06:06:36 pm
I'm still very dissapointed Tom Tancredo did skip the 2014 gubernatorial race.
107  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: What should Scott Brown do in 2016? on: November 14, 2014, 06:04:51 pm
Should?

Nothing.
108  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Queen Mary I of England on: November 14, 2014, 06:01:39 pm
No excuses can be made for this deranged woman who had innocent people burned at the stake.

No, but if she were a Protestant burning Catholics at the stake, I doubt you would made this poll.
109  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Begich 'already plotting' for 2016 run on: November 14, 2014, 05:58:33 pm
At least he doesn't think of trying in New Hampshire Wink
110  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Papal Patch (some clarification if you even bother) on: November 14, 2014, 05:13:52 pm
Clarification:

Please do not confuse the Northeast Catholic Church and the Papal Patch as one thing.

The Northeast Catholic Church is an organized religion, originating from Atlasia and transcending all national borders.

The Papal Patch is a sovereign state that happened to be ruled by the Pope and his trusted Cardinals.

Obviously, you can be a member of the Northeast Catholic Church without being citizen of the Papal States, although you need to join the Church (which doesn't require you to believe in anything except our following a few rules, such as not being mean).

As far as the Papal Patch law is concerned, you can have dual citizenship (hell, all three of us are Atlasians too). We really don't care Smiley
111  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Papal Patch - Behold our awesome recycled islands! on: November 14, 2014, 05:12:29 pm
So I'm back to being Camerlengo now. All hail His Holiness.

Also Your Holiness, are you renaming your old papacy (the one as Kalwejt) to Callixtus as well? If so, would we count them as separate things (so this reign would be Callixtus V) or as the same thing? Also I've decided  Pope Alfred, I was Urban IX.

Well, I guess I'll be Callixtus IV retrospectively as well.

Btw, Urban IX was my second choice before I settled down with Callixtus IV XD
112  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Papal Patch - Behold our awesome recycled islands! on: November 14, 2014, 05:03:56 pm
Although certain Winfield exhibited a sinful behavior, that is taking labels too seriously, as well as having attitude problems, we forgive him so he'll he spared the eternal fire.
113  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Papal Patch - Behold our awesome recycled islands! on: November 14, 2014, 01:16:23 pm
The entire Midwest region is hereby placed under a strict interdictum because of "LeBron" FitzGerald being lame.
114  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Papal Patch - Behold our awesome recycled islands! on: November 14, 2014, 01:14:21 pm
We have returned.

Also, we have realized that reigning under our forum name is a bit silly, since all the Popes thorough history took a brand new names. Sometimes lame but mostly cool.

Therefore, we shall from now on we shall rule under our new pontifical name Callixtus IV.
115  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: November 2014 Special At-large Senate Election on: November 14, 2014, 06:56:05 am
1. Write-in: Hashemite
2. Write-in: Al
3. Poirot
4. Bacon King
5. SWE
6. Cris
116  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Pope Alexander VI on: November 13, 2014, 08:22:45 am
Are Maurice Druon's novels the ones about the end of the Capets and the rise of the house of Valois? (I haven't read them yet)

Yes, the Accursed Kings. A great read.
117  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Pope Julius II on: November 13, 2014, 08:21:08 am
Not as bad as Innocent VIII (there were gang fights in the streets when he was elected pope, which was kind of normal along with popes keeping mistresses, but he launched the Inquisition and blessed a torture manual called the Malleus Maleficarum), but nonetheless Julius II was certainly horrible.

Well, street violence was quite characteristic during and, sometimes, after the conclave.


I actually didn't know that it was commonplace until relatively recently, and I knew about it in his case because I've read about him. I knew there were always very partisan factions and political machinations at play, so it doesn't surprise me.

Precisely. With no Pope and all the Cardinals locked, the interregnums were best opportunity for get on your rivals' throats.
118  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Queen Mary I of England on: November 13, 2014, 08:18:16 am
One of the absolutely most horrid ancestors of the House of Windsor, and there have been many.

To be fair, Mary's presecution of Protestants was no more morally wrong than presecutions of Catholics under Henry VIII or Elizabeth I. But Henry and Elizabeth were great rulers on the "winning" side of history.

Mary was incompetent, which is enough for me to give her a negative vote. On human level, I feel somewhat sorry for her: traumatized by her childhood and youth.
119  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of "Lincoln" (the movie) on: November 12, 2014, 02:11:59 pm
Disgusting, slanderous film against our nation's greatest president.  They did everything they could to make him look like a crook.

You really should get a lobotomy.
120  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Queen Mary I of England on: November 12, 2014, 01:23:17 pm
The greatest Queen in English history. The definition of FF.

Only you could have mistaken greatness with horrid incompetency.
121  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Queen Mary I of England on: November 12, 2014, 01:22:00 pm
It's interesting how few people point out that she was married to the King of Spain and that, had they had kids, the two kingdoms would be in union for a time.  A pretty huge risk to national sovereignty...of course, Elizabeth ended up letting the throne be inherited by the King of Scotland, so her sister doesn't do much better on that front.

Except, of course, James VI/I was a Protestant (and that England dominated the union with Scotland, which wouldn't be a case in the union with Spain).
122  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Sullivan Officially Wins on: November 12, 2014, 01:18:38 pm
So, that puts Republicans at 53. The final number is most likely going to be 54 after Louisiana runoff.
123  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Pope Julius II on: November 11, 2014, 08:13:44 am
Not as bad as Innocent VIII (there were gang fights in the streets when he was elected pope, which was kind of normal along with popes keeping mistresses, but he launched the Inquisition and blessed a torture manual called the Malleus Maleficarum), but nonetheless Julius II was certainly horrible.

Well, street violence was quite characteristic during and, sometimes, after the conclave.

I agree Innocent was quite bad (and incompetent too).
124  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism on: November 10, 2014, 07:13:46 am
What
The
F**k
Is
Going
On
?!?!
125  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion of Pope Alexander VI on: November 09, 2014, 03:52:15 am
While I do believe Alexander VI was the one with the actual strategic vision, I wonder if Cesare made the choice to back della Rovere under the influence of his disease/poisoning and perhaps his stage of syphills as well. I mean, why on earth was he naive enough to believe in della Rovere?

Which leads me to think, was there any chance for Cesare to consolidate a lasting Duchy of Romagna had D'Amboise won the past election or had Piccolomini lived a few years instead of mere weeks?

I've never really thought of this, but his deteriorating health could be a factor in making such a poor decision.

One can wonder whether Cesare's career would be better off had he remained a Cardinal. After all, despite all dangers of the Roman politics, cardinalate was much safer and more stable position than Condotierro-Prince (for example, our friend della Rovere did not lose his position within the College thorough the entire Borgia's rule). Cesare might not have become the third Borgia Pope, as his father intended, but he'd remain a powerful figure.

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I prefer him to Giuliano della Rovere, I must say. He certainly made a crucial mistake in ignoring propaganda and allowing the Borgia family to be portrayed as true monsters (they had a lot of bad propaganda before even with Borgia's skills as Vice-Chancellor, but allowing people like Giovanni Sforza to spread such tales without a consecuence damaged his reputation), when in context they acted just like the Orsini, the Colonna, the Sforza and all the other families.

You've just remind me of very colorful description of the 1316 Conclave in Maurice Druon's novels: Cardinals Napoleon Orsini and Collona Bros putting curses at each other during the proceedings Wink
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