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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Oakvale for NE Senator - Thank You! on: October 31, 2015, 08:42:17 pm

Wow, so much energy! Congratulations!
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: October 27, 2015, 07:41:16 am
How about you don't be a finksing narc and you go off to your Zumba class and listen to Jimmy Buffet or something, mom.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2015 General Election - President, VP and Regional Senators on: October 23, 2015, 11:25:29 pm

[1] SWE/Dallasfan


[1] Oakvale
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: October 16, 2015, 07:08:18 pm
Make Atlasia Great Again! Party
80  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bacon King Memorial Good Post Gallery on: October 12, 2015, 11:34:10 am
I think DeadPrez, haven't you got that assways?  A Trump supporter?  Figures!...playing fast & lose with the facts, no back up to statements or claims made....you are learning well from that blow-hard.  Trump is by far the biggest fraud that there is. He says or does anything to main viability.  I will tell you this, America is in deep trouble if it thinks that shylock will be an improvement over that nincampoop currently occupying the Oval Office. I mean people actually want a phony baloney misogynist egomaniac in the Oval Office?  Give me a break. Trump is a hack with a trophy wife bimbo. Look at that face and his dress sense is worse. Doesn't have a coherent idea on anything and thinks going bankrupt 4 times and indulging in name calling are qualities that qualify him to sit in the White House? 😁😂😃😑😂😂😂....that's hysterical if you think that DeadPrez😂😁. ...TRUMP IS A LOW-RENT FRAUD! it's all about him....you actually think he gives a fig about America or you for that matter. If so, maybe if you are that addled and stupid,  you shouldn't have the vote. Support someone who can lead and is not a Johnny come lately. Do yourself that favor!

get outta here with that crap
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: October 11, 2015, 08:08:22 pm
Pushing forward: 1988

A mere week after Areus had unveiled his grand plan to withdraw the United States from the Eastern hemisphere, Thad O'Connor found himself approaching the Senate chamber, with a stack of paper in hand. As he walked down the aisle, he observed that about thirty of his peers were in attendance; chiefly amongst them, Senator Patton Wyde. Wyde had a reputation for being bombastic and steadfast on the Senate floor, but Thad's confidence remained undaunted.

"Mr. President, I would ask five minutes of your time," asked Thad O'Connor. Hamilton Fish, the freshman Senator, merely nodded in acknowledgement. "Thank you Mr. President. I bring this bill before the Senate because I believe we ought to re-examine the role of our troops in Western Europe, and our presence in the rest of the world.

The ideology of Communism and the reach of the Soviet Union is an intimidating premise, and rightfully so. This is a philosophy that has dominated the Eastern Hemisphere; whether it be by brute force in Hungary, bargaining with China, or by proxy in Vietnam. By any measure, the Soviets are dominant around most of the globe. Since the Fifties, our Presidents and State Departments have tried to keep pace with the Soviet Union, namely in Indo-China and the Middle East.

There is an actuary table to suggest what might actually happen when we intervene in global events: Vietnam and Iran. Both have ended in defeat. Some might argue that we were 'not hard enough' on the Vietnamese, but the reality is that we dropped more ordinance on Vietnam than we did on the Axis in World War Two and were still unable to defeat them. Similarly speaking, in Iran, we acted out of vengeance and blind rage but had limited success.

The Return to Normalcy Act proposes that we adopt a more realistic approach to foreign policy. Considering the wealth of European nations, there is no need for us to provide for their security. Is there any reason why we ought to have bases in countries like France and the United Kingdom? Both of these countries are economic powerhouses and there is no reason why they can't provide for their own defense.

This legislation proposes that we re-organize our foreign policy to be more in sync with the Monroe Doctrine. Both instances of our military intervening in long distance conflicts have resulted in eventual failure. I understand that current treaties forbid Japan and West Germany from having a military, but these are antiquations that we must overcome:  the chains that have been levied on Japan and Germany do not serve the purposes of NATO, and those countries should be allowed to pursue their own militaries.

The Return to Normalcy Act also addresses a modern component of geopolitics: nuclear armaments. Four decades ago, our military dropped two atomic bombs in a horrific display of manslaughter. Since then, we've been involved in several global conflicts, but our casualties have been decreased by orders of magnitude. While horrific in display, the threat of nuclear warfare has been an equalizer.

On that front, this bill not only keeps our current missile count intact, but also appropriates money towards the research of anti-missile technology. The Soviets may devote their best efforts to outpacing us with nuclear armaments, but what happens when we can shoot theirs out of the sky? Peace. I ask that the Senate pass this bill, in pursuit of a more rational foreign policy.

Senator Patton Wyde rushed toward the opposing podium. "Mr. President, representing the Democratic caucus, I ask for five minutes of the floor," said Patton Wyde. "The Senate recognizes the gentleman from Mississippi," Hamilton Fish said flatly. Patton Wyde took a glance at his notepad before addressing the Senate.

"Thank you Mr. President. The Senator from Maine outlines lofty goals in his proposal. In one bill, he suggests that he has the missing piece to the puzzle of the Cold War, and that he can solve the riddle of the current global situation. For one man to suggest that he has the answers to these two problems is laughable on its own, but his proposed means are even more so.

The United States established itself as a superpower after relieving the beleaguered English and rescuing Europe from the clutches of Nazi Germany. Since then, we've been a difference maker in several key situations and our influence stretches every bit as far as the Soviet Union's does. To relinquish such presence in Europe as fast as this proposal suggests would be tantamount to making Canada the next Soviet satellite - do we really trust England and France to assert themselves militarily in such a short span of time?

The Senator's reasoning for not participating in global events is also folly: Operation Linebacker decimated the Vietnamese. The Vietnamese had more casualties than we did. Our army was fundamentally better despite being on foreign soil. Similarly speaking, we decimated the Iranian army and held our own against the Soviet proxy forces. It was only the decline in public support and inclination towards withdrawal that shook the confidence of our army.

With regards to hearkening back to the Monroe Doctrine, I too long for the 'good old days' but this borders on delusion. The Monroe Doctrine might have been practical when sailing from Spain to Brazil took several weeks. However, in the age of airplanes and proxy warfare, the world has gotten too small to be simplified like that. Even if it could be, I doubt the Soviet Union would play by the same rules. Such thinking is na´ve.

Lastly, the Senator from Maine is proposing something particularly alarming: the idea that we could 'shoot out' Soviet Missiles from the sky. Does this not sound terrifying to anybody else? We live in an era of global war against Communism, and the Republican Party is proposing that we withdraw from Europe and the Middle East on the shaky notion that we can blow Soviet missiles out of the sky?"

Thad O'Connor rushed toward the podium to rebut Senator Wyde's remarks. "Mr. President, I request five minutes of the Senate's time," asked Thad. "The Senate recognizes the gentleman from Maine," said Fish in a perfunctory tone. "Thank you Mr. President. I fought in Vietnam and remember the struggle well. It's true that we dropped lots of ordinance, and that we outpaced the Vietnamese in casualties. On paper, the United States won that war. All of this proves a larger point: trying to nation-build a country so far on the other side of the globe is folly and unsustainable.

The insinuation that we would let Canada devolve into a Soviet satellite is also off-base. This bill maintains commitment to the Monroe Doctrine, and we would not let the U.S.S.R. make any further encroachments into the Western Hemisphere. Besides, Mulroney is quite popular with the people of Canada. Furthermore, the Senator from Mississippi is fear-mongering here: This bill calls for a withdrawal from England within five years, and from France and Germany within fifteen. That ought to be ample time for their militaries to prepare themselves.

The Senator from Mississippi has belittled this proposal for hearkening back toward 'the good old days' and that this proposal is na´ve. He counters by arguing that we should up the ante in Iran, and that we could've walked away with a win in Vietnam. He also argues that, despite nearly forty years of conflict, our foreign policy towards the Soviet Union has been successful and worth pursuit.

I am not going to address the rest of the Senator's objections. Let me end on this appeal: since the fall of Japan and Nazi Germany, we've been in a perpetual stalemate, or at times, losing to the Soviet Union. It ought to be self-evident that this approach does not work. What I'm proposing is something unconventional: rather than toothless SALT treaties that the U.S.S.R. does not abide by, why not seek peace through missile strength? Let the nuclear deterrent starve Russia."
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you have a more positive opinion of Vladimir Putin or Christopher Columbus? on: October 11, 2015, 11:04:14 am

Thats not genocide, unless you consider Stalin to have commited genocide. Was Colombus a bad person yes but putin is worse. Also The British and the Spanish committed the genocide not him as I believe the europeans were in the racial minority until the 1700s which means the British, French, Spanish who came after Columbus committed genocide

83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of politicus on: October 10, 2015, 10:33:12 am
everyone who votes HP in this poll is literally crazy, just saying

"But remember that this is not some long distance cyberspace enmity with a guy in Australia or Montana, you are well within my reach shovel-face. So be a good little boy and piss off from both forums, otherwise this is about to become personal and switch to RL."

No. Get this off here right now.

You're suggesting my post was bad? These PMs to Gustaf weren't even sent (or published) when I posted that. What's more, no one can truly disagree that Politicus contributed so much to the International Elections board, and my post needs to be seen in that light.

Sure. What's bad about the post is it makes a broad, sweeping statement: "everyone who votes HP in this poll is literally crazy." One can be a big contributor to certain threads or boards and still be a HP; I for one think that personal threats make somebody HP-caliber. What's more is that the subject of the OP is probably closer to "crazy" than the people voting HP.

For the record, this isn't entirely anything new - just ask oakvale or hashemite.

E: Also, politicus just made a sock posting stuff like this and that so...
84  About this Site / How To / Re: How to make primary maps on Atlas on: October 09, 2015, 08:00:48 pm
I am interested in making a primary map, but when I go to the 2012 primary election results there is no primary delegate calculator like there is for the electoral map calculator .

To my knowledge there is no primary map tool on Atlas - you have to make the maps yourself via Microsoft Paint or some image editing equivalent.
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of politicus on: October 09, 2015, 03:50:24 pm
everyone who votes HP in this poll is literally crazy, just saying

"But remember that this is not some long distance cyberspace enmity with a guy in Australia or Montana, you are well within my reach shovel-face. So be a good little boy and piss off from both forums, otherwise this is about to become personal and switch to RL."

86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2015 Special Senate Election on: October 09, 2015, 03:35:15 pm
[1] Talleyrand
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Take Back Atlasia- Talleyrand 2015 on: October 03, 2015, 05:14:36 pm


Seriously, this nation (even the Northeast!) has turned into an inactive reactionary hellhole.

88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Policy on childboards on: October 03, 2015, 04:12:10 pm
I believe it was this timeline that caused me to ask this question, sir.

I haven't fleshed out any statutory policy yet on a ratio of images to letters yet but I messaged him about it.
89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How powerful would Rubio's Vice President be? on: September 30, 2015, 03:41:34 pm
I guess I'll leave now and Heatmaster will become the smartest poster on here.

90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Policy on childboards on: September 29, 2015, 01:04:42 pm
I'm not sure where to ask this, but can we have some guidelines on how, if pictures take up more space on your timeline posts than your text does, there's a way of policing or penalizing that? There's something going on in the contemporary what-if? world that's very disturbing.

Can you link me to any specific examples?

I don't want to police content too much here outside of the more grotesque counterfactuals (e.g. assassinations) but if this is something that's eating up our bandwidth then I'll have to step in.

It's subjective. Who's to judge? Me. Smiley
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 23, 2015, 10:18:25 pm
Areus hacks for his bill: 1988

The Return to Normalcy Act was the most ambitious agenda item of Areus' presidency thus far. The former Speaker of the House had been meticulous in threading the needles to secure his speakership and the Republican nomination for President; he certainly wasn't going to fumble his biggest policy initiative.

"Thad, you're still on board with being the Senate sponsor for this proposal, right?" asked Areus. "Of course. I consider it a great honor to carry this torch and make the case before my peers, much like with the filibuster," said Thad. "Good. Glad to see we're on the same page. Obviously, this is going to be an issue that is going to be debated for a long time in the Senate," said Areus.

Thad nodded in acknowledgement. "Which is why I'm going to open this up with a speech to try and set the narrative. While your peers may water this down in the Senate, I figure rolling out with a speech will give this bill good momentum in the public relations department," said Areus. "By the way, do you think you could bring Cynthia along?" he asked.

"What makes you ask that?" inquired Thad. "Well, it'd be nice to have a female Republican around while we were selling our point. Plus she doesn't look so bad in stockings. You'd better wife her up quickly, Thadů" said Areus. "Or else?" asked Thad defensively. "Nothing. Just a joke," said Areus. Several days later, Thad found himself dressing up for a flight to Los Angeles. While he was unable to secure Cynthia's presence, he made sure his own schedule was clear.

The ride was relatively free of turbulence. Thad had sedated himself with champagne during the commute, and was in Los Angeles before he knew it. He rode with Areus Ho'kee to his campaign rally and took his side, hands folded in his lap, as the former took the stage.

"Thank you all for joining me this evening. I'm speaking about a matter of grave importance: our presence in the world in the late 20th century. In our last two scuffles, we've had two losses. Some would argue that we ought to invest more in our presence abroad. However, I would argue that this is a sign we've bitten too much off to chew. Consider the two cases:

In the 1960's, one of our ships supposedly gets sunk in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. We respond by invading a third-world nation that ostensibly was outmatched, and we dropped more ordinance on them than we did on any country in World War Two. Despite this fact, the Vietnamese had the better of us. Why? Because of support from the Chinese and Soviets, a lack of support on our behalf, and overextension.

A similar case: in the late 1970's some of our ambassadors to Iran were executed. We invaded that nation and were on track to avenge our losses. We managed to dismantle their capital city and establish control of their principal oil cites. Despite such dominance, insurrectionist groups managed to sabotage our operations, turned Tehran into a warzone, and sought to destroy many oil drilling sites rather than simply reclaim them.

By no means am I celebrating our overseas defeats, although I will note that they serve as a cautionary tale. The post-war consensus of fighting the Soviets by proxy and using third-world countries as pliable pawns has largely proven to be a bust for the United States.  Thus, I'm proposing something radically different: a return to normalcy.

Long score ago, President James Monroe proposed his namesake doctrine - the idea that the United States reserved the right to recognize intervention in any Western Hemisphere country by an Eastern Hemisphere country as a direct act of aggression towards the United States. Since this proclamation by President Monroe, we've hypocritically transgressed by intervening in the Middle East and Indo-China and it has been our undoing.

As ambitious of a proposal as it may be, I am advocating for change: a return to this protocol. Yes, this entails withdrawal from Europe, Korea, and Japan, as well as the anticipated withdrawal from Iran. I understand that some of you are concerned that our departure from Germany and Japan would make those countries open season for the Soviets, but that is not the case. Such a proposal would be coupled with a gradual withdrawal, as well as lifting prohibitions on standing armies and allowing said countries to pursue nuclear technology.

The reality is that the allegiances of the 1940's have been cast off. Once upon a time, Germany, Japan, and Korea were bitter enemies of ours who inflicted grave casualties upon the United States. However, these days, all three of these countries have been valuable trading partners. It has long since been time that we beat our swords into plowshares, embrace these countries, and allow them to have their own militaries, which would relieve stress off of us.

I'm aware of the obvious dangers that such a proposal entails: what if the Soviets flood Europe with soldiers? What if European soldiers can't cut the mustard against the Russians? To which I respond: withdrawal from Europe would be a gradual process, which would pay long term dividends. France, Germany, and England would have to spend more of their resources toward training a military.

If fulfilled, a strategic defense initiative would be far superior to protecting Europe than a standing army, and more logistically practical. Missiles do not need to be fed, and cost less. While two hundred thousand soldiers in France might be a fine deterrent against a Soviet invasion, the prospect of Soviet nuclear missiles being intercepted might be even more imposing, no?

With all of that being said, I ask that you register your support for this proposal that would dial down the Cold War."
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Constitutional Convention Delegate Election on: September 22, 2015, 12:17:57 pm
[1] oakvale
[2] bore
[3] Cincinnatus
[4] evergreen
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: September 18, 2015, 04:20:05 pm

So I got drunk this evening, unexpectedly (with only 2 goddamn cups of wine!!!). But the party ended at like 7PM and all my friends left. So now I'm drunk and alone.

Life suxxxx

Have you considered hanging with these guys?

Seems like a good fit.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: September 18, 2015, 04:11:05 pm
Northeast National Party
95  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Please ban "Zen Lunatic". on: September 16, 2015, 07:45:40 am
Generally I don't sign petitions. But this is different.

X- My mark.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Atlas Timeline Index on: September 15, 2015, 08:57:41 am
Thanks for taking up the mantle, Dar, my desire to continue archiving timelines dissipated when I ran into just how many... shall we say ones not worth preserving there were. I'm glad someone was willing to fill my shoes. Smiley I recommend that you reserve many more posts for archives, as this stuff can go back to the mid-2000's.

Is there any way I can increase my word limit for the archives post to >11,000? Contact Dave?

No. But I think I can move posts up or down via mod wizardry.
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: September 13, 2015, 05:52:52 pm
I'm running for Vice President on SWE's ticket.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Policy on childboards on: September 13, 2015, 10:21:10 am
OK, speaking up as moderator here.

I'd like to think that it's a given that the rules of the TOS apply here (no graphic images or spam) as well as a code of civility. My own posts tend to have a little vinegar in them when I'm trying to get a point across so I tend to be laissez-faire unless something is really over the line.

Getting that out of the way, here's how I run this show:

Past Election What-Ifs?: Questions about former elections and possible counterfactuals go here. (Ex: John F. Kennedy in 1964?) Posts made in the main board about such possibilities will be moved here.

Alternative Elections: Discussion about possible future elections will go here. (Ex: Carson in 2016?) Posts made in the main board about such possibilities will be moved here. (ibid)

International What-ifs: "Discussion of alternate possibilities in international elections." As it says on the tin.

As long as we conduct ourselves in this manner, this will leave the main board free for timelines and interactive games. Smiley

EDIT: Absurd match-ups: For awhile there was the pervasive problem of some posters making impossible match-ups (Ex: Superman vs Batman.) These will be treated as spam and deleted unless it prompts an intelligent discussion.
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Atlas Timeline Index on: September 13, 2015, 10:10:37 am
Thanks darthebear.

I think I'm going to keep Cathcon's stickied because there were a lot of TL's on that one that people might want easier access to, and we don't seem to have a problem with cluttered stickies.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 10, 2015, 07:24:58 pm
While I've been following the more recent updates to this more or less regularly, my holidays allowed me to finally read this from the start. I must say, you truly are the king of Atlas timelines. This timeline is by far the best thing ever written in this subforum.

Thanks man, that means a lot to me. I've been doing this for quite some time and my writing style has changed since I started this (hopefully for the better.) It's encouraging for someone to give it a full-read and not say "this sucked at first" or something. I appreciate it. Smiley

Kudos for keeping this up for so long, I just hope you will not finish this in a long time!

At my current trajectory, I probably won't finish it any time soon haha. Favorite character?
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