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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Game Moderation Reform Amendment II on: December 01, 2014, 07:04:01 pm
77  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: We need a good old-fashioned Terror in this country. on: December 01, 2014, 04:07:17 pm

creds to oakvale

Wow, guys, I did not ask to be lambasted while I was gone to the porsche club.  You think I'm hopeless.  You all, except for Kshama Sawant, are hopeless for pointing fingers and viciously assassinating my character.  You'd think I'd learn and stop saging.  Let me ask this:  When I cease saging would you please stop assassinating my character and Socialist Alternative's character?  I do not want to hear a single, solitary word more of this elistist, bourgeois, Capitalist, oppressive garbage.
78  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: UPDATE-OPOLY on: November 28, 2014, 04:21:07 pm
I will pay another $50 to wake up, Joe. The next turn is going to be a busy one, and I will need at least two hours to shower and brush my teeth.
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Andrew Cuomo vs Francois Hollande on: November 27, 2014, 08:10:08 pm
Andrew Cuomo vs Kid Rock
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Re-Opening the Gates Act (At Final Vote) on: November 27, 2014, 01:07:30 pm
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: November 27, 2014, 02:11:19 am
TIME - Snell follows the Paper Trail
March 9th, 1988

Ethics commission uncovers incriminating receipts

In wake of the 1984 Presidential Election, (then) House Minority Leader Ericson Snell announced he would be launching an investigation probe into President Jackson's reelection campaign. Many in Democratic leadership had dismissed the investigation as "sour grapes", or a fool's errand. For the first two years, many subpoenas and findings of the committee were inconclusive, which undermined the narrative of congressional Republicans. It also did not help that this investigation went on despite the passing of President Jackson, which aided the Democrats' narrative that Republicans were trying to re-fight decided battles.

Despite two years of false positives, it seems that the committee has come toward a more conclusive finding. Comprehensive audits of the Illinois Democratic Party, the Washington Democratic Party, and numerous defense industry contractors have revealed millions of dollars in campaign donations toward Scoop Jackson's reelection bid. "Whether direct or indirect, it is patently obvious that there was a concerted effort on part of the defense industry to covertly reelect President Jackson."

The presidential candidates have reacted to the news in different ways. Newt Gingrich, whose public support has been dwindling, took the opportunity to change his position on the War in Iran. "Initially, I was an ardent supporter of our military operations in Iran. However, after seeing the cloak-and-dagger manner in which the previous administration operated in, I would like to reevaluate our policy based on the real facts. It is improbable that I as President would continue our operations in Iran, and would work towards withdrawal," said Newt Gingrich.

Other campaigns reacted differently. Patton Wyde was quoted as saying, "I am unfamiliar with the actual facts of the matter, but I deplore this attempt to defame the character of our defense industry. They employ thousands of Americans and are a bulwark against the fangs of Communism." Jerry Brown's spokesman said, "This is evidence that the establishment has too much influence in Washington. If elected, Jerry Brown would tackle initiatives to enact real campaign-finance reform to empower the people." President Bentsen categorically declined to provide any input on the matter.

Right Knight to the rescue?

In 1985, a summit lead to the publishing of a "Conservative Manifesto" and the formation of the Working Man's Party. The movement was bankrolled by Davis Griffin, former Chairman of the Republican National Committee and a wealthy oil magnate. Given the high level of dissatisfaction that the conservative movement has experienced with both the Democratic and Republican parties, it seems to be a given that a right-wing third party would be performing respectably. The Working Man's Party even managed to win a Senate election outright in 1986. Despite these factors, the Working Man's Party has found it difficult to make a lasting impact on politics.

So far the Working Man's Party's presidential contest has been between two figures: activist Eldridge Cleaver of California, and Louisiana State Representative David Duke. With each of these men is a heavy millstone; the former has a history of activism with the Black Panthers and several convictions on crack cocaine, while the latter has a sketchy past with potential involvement in the Ku Klux Klan. Neither of these candidates have withstood a competitive election in earnest, and it is doubtful that they have the bonafides to stand up to national scrutiny. These factors do not bode well for a party aspiring to become the "third force" in American politics, but there may still be some hope.

In a press conference in Reno, Nevada, Senator Paul Laxalt announced that he would be seeking the Working Man's Party's nomination for President of the United States. He was quoted as saying, "With the disappointing developments in the Republican Party and dispersions cast on the United States Military, it seems as if there is only one option going forward. I have been a Republican for most of my life, but my sense of duty as an American is more important than that. Thus, I am announcing my intentions to run for President as the candidate of the working man."

Within hours, key establishment figures in the Working Man's Party scrambled to endorse Paul Laxalt's last minute bid for the nomination. Davis Griffin, Chairman of the Party and nominee for Texas Senate, said, "Paul Laxalt has been a remarkable statesman over the past two decades, and would faithfully execute the duties of President of the United States. I would encourage my fellow conservatives to vote for him, for the sake of preserving the ideals that made this nation great."

Paul Laxalt's late entry in the process is not without difficulty, however. Due to the anti-establishment narrative upon which the Working Man's Party was founded, a great deal of state affiliates have allocated their delegates through primary elections coinciding with the Republican and Democratic ones, many of which have already been held. So far it has been a contest between Duke and Cleaver, neither of which have a substantial campaign apparatus, which has led to some bizarre outcomes.

Despite all of that, there is still hope for Paul Laxalt to clinch the Working Man's Party nomination. A combination of tough ballot-access laws and weak infrastructure have led to many states holding late conventions in June, which could skew heavily toward a candidate with high name recognition such as Paul Laxalt. In addition, Davis Griffin announced he would be launching ads to encourage Republicans in upcoming primary states to vote for Laxalt instead of Bill Armstrong, whose chances at winning the Republican nomination seem to be waning.

Working Man's Party Primaries

David Duke of Louisiana
Eldridge Cleaver of California
82  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: USA, Canada, and Ukraine alone in voting against UN Resolution condemning Nazism on: November 27, 2014, 12:58:19 am
As always...

Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda.

The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order.[2]

Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11,[3] vaccines,[4] genetic modification,[5] Zionism,[6][7] HAARP,[8] global warming,[9][10] Bosnian genocide denialism[11] chemtrails,[12] and David Kelly.[13]


I'm not a fan of GlobalResearch (despite occasional good articles), but RationalWiki presenting itself as a reliable source rather than a circlejerk of liberal atheists is equally farcial.

(and it's not like they made up the vote either)

A draft text on combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices was also approved by a record vote of 115 in favour, 3 against (Canada, Ukraine, United States), with 55 abstentions.

We judge the reliabilty of sources not on how objective they actually are (whether objectivity is even possible at all is another debate, of course), but on how well they conform to the official Western narrative. Western society is not free of propaganda--Western propagandists are only better at hiding it. But how can a country which has rejected the idea that children and the disabled have rights be seen as the leader of the "free" world?

It is foolish to put all of the blame on this for me, oakvale. You were the one who told me to vote for the "Zionism is Racism" UN resolution. You were the one who told me that Venezuela should nationalize its oil industry. You were the one who told me to criticize the New Economic Policy for being too Capitalist. For you to hold me at fault here is ridiculous, and you are the one who looks foolish. You have lost all credibility with me!
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: November 26, 2014, 04:03:35 pm
IIRC Bushie's diet (or what he calls a diet) doesn't apply to weekends. If this is a de-facto Friday, does that mean he has a four-day weekend?
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: UPDATE-OPOLY on: November 25, 2014, 03:35:22 pm
Yes, I will pay $50 of Mom and Dad's money to wake up.

This next turn will be a big opportunity for me. This is just to get me back on my feet.
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of MW Governor LeBron FitzGerald (Last Day to Vote!) on: November 25, 2014, 09:24:36 am
The right to vote is not a political issue, but GAworth attempted to make it one.

But you supported the GAworth's amendment.


"I'm also in full support of this amendment [...]"
"Districts could make elections more fun and orderly, and I would personally support implementing them [...]"

86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Re-Opening the Gates Act (Debating) on: November 24, 2014, 09:02:09 pm
That looks good to me, Barnes.

I'd voiced an interest for a similar provision back when we legislated this issue in the previous session but I didn't get around to writing it up.

This is well-written and should be adequate. The status-quo of weekly elections was too much, but in the event that there's a more immediate vacancy I don't mind a special-election provision. Grin
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby on: November 23, 2014, 11:41:45 pm
Bill Cosby, to his very flimsy credit, is not a war criminal.

It makes perfect sense to nationalize energy. There's nothing wrong with a 100% capital gains tax and a $65 minimum wage. A plurality of Americans now say they prefer Socialism over Capitalism, so to dispute that is far-fetched. It's not the wrong way of doing things, just a different way of doing things.
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: November 23, 2014, 11:24:15 am
Eh, while bowling is a pathetic excuse for "exercise" (lol) it is not a bad idea for Jeff if he'll actually do it alongside eating better and walking. (Certainly better than just rotting away, watching Northwestern North Dakota State vs. Tulane) But then again, bowling can be pricey, so there's that consideration as well.

Spoiler: Bushie will spend $150 on "bowling gear" and only bowl once
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: November 21, 2014, 09:12:31 pm
Bushie what did you eat today at Chick-Fil-A and McDonald's
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: Right to Unionize Act (Debating) on: November 20, 2014, 11:35:37 pm

For a libertarian, I'm actually pretty pro-union. I think that the right to organize goes hand-in-hand with freedom of association. That being said, this seems more a question of policy than a question of constitutional amendments.

Barnes' amendment is a bit better but I'm not sure that there's anything in the Northeast constitution as is that specifically prohibits collective bargaining or unionization. (The Northeast passed some equivalent to right-to-work in 2010 but most of it was gutted by the Supreme Court of Atlasia.)
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: November 20, 2014, 07:54:19 pm
Reposted. You need to address this:

An inability to admit that your refusal to change (in spite of all the sound advice and ENCOURAGEMENT from so many over the years) has COST YOUR FAMILY UNNECESSARY MONEY is cowardly.

You want us to focus on the good? I tried that with you. A lot. Didn't work. You're no better off today than you were when you started this whole saga. And it is costing your family more now than it ever has.

Maybe it's not intentional, but it's deeply rooted in, at best, ignorance. More likely, you prefer only happiness where no one calls you on your BS.

Your inability to implement the smallest of change to better yourself HURT your family today. Wake up, Jeff. Your inaction has consequences that go beyond you!

Are you getting the picture yet? Your refusal to a) actually work to build a career and study your supposed skills, b) take better care of your health and lose weight and c) learn basic life skills like cooking or shopping on your own IS HURTING OTHER PEOPLE. This is not a consequence-free existence, Jeff. And consequences could hurt more than just you.

Are you happy your history ended up in your family spending ultimately unnecessary money on you? Are you happy they're $100 poorer because of it (and don't give me the $79.99 BS ... add taxes, time and travel, and you cost them $100). A positive attitude means nothing if you ignorantly continue to sh:t on other people.

Keep it up, Jeff. Ignore how you're killing yourself. Your family will have to pay for your funeral, too (average of $10,000). How does that make you feel?

I know things must change.  What I need is a new attitude on my health.  I asked God on the way home from work to give me that new attitude and the desire, willpower, and discipline to make the changes I need to make and stick to them.  In a few minutes, after I finish this glass of unsweetened iced tea, I am going to get me a glass of water.  That will make 4 glasses of water (counting the iced tea as water).  That will be a good finish to what was otherwise a rotten food day.  I didn't have breakfast and I had Whataburger for lunch.  That's a big no-no, I realize.  I felt awful this afternoon and my mood wasn't exactly great, either, because I was mad at myself for ordering and eating such slop.  We had beef and noodle casserole for dinner.  I had one and a half scoops and two slices of bread with the aforementioned iced tea.  Tomorrow, I will probably have Chick-fil-a for lunch and try to eat light when I go to the McDonald's on the turnpike for dinner.  I am seriously considering going back to my no fries and no ice cream diet that I did in September.  I will still eat potatoes when they are served to me, but I will not have any French fries.  Yes, my attitude needs to change and slowly, but surely, I will change this attitude.

92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: November 20, 2014, 01:45:16 am
Funnel: 1988

It was a sunny afternoon in Maine as Thad O'Connor and Ericson Snell waited in Ralph Stevenson's office. Thad had only awoken a few hours ago, and was thumbing through a local newspaper. "Good lord. 'Wyde nears majority in Michigan.' What is going on in that state?" asked Thad. "To be frank, a lot of the grunts working in automobile factories don't feel like they're getting a fair shake. Between Bentsen lifting the trade tariffs and the union strike, this seems like a logical conclusion," said Snell. Thad felt as if a nightcrawler slid down his back. "Enough to cradle themselves in the arms of one such as Wyde, though?"

"You would be surprised. Out of desperation, cornered creatures can do wild things in the interest of preservation. It's not hard to see how somebody like Wyde could be a figure of reassurance. What is concerning, however, is where these voters will go: these voters heavily disapprove of Bentsen, but will they vote for Ho'kee? Both favor lifting tariffs, and both favor the Social Security reform," responded Snell. "It is not as if these voters plausibly have an alternative, however. While the Working Man's Party is on the ballot, the only potential nominees for that outfit are David Duke and Eldridge Cleaver. At the end of the day these people will vote their livelihood, and vote for Areus," said Thad.

"You can correct me if this proves to be wrong, but I find it unlikely that either of those men end up as the nominee of the Working Man's Party. For all of its faults, the Working Man's Party is an establishment with millions of dollars invested in it. Davis Griffin, former Chairman of the Republican Party, is at the helm. They have three Senate seats and polled nearly double digits in a Generic Ballot poll. It's naive to think that somebody more formidable won't come to the fore," said Snell.

At that point Ralph Stevenson walked through the door, and assumed a seat opposite of Thad and Ericson. "Good seeing you again. So, my accountant and I have done some analysis on the numbers here, and we've got a deal worked out," said Ralph, laying a binder out on the desk. "So in 1983, Thad O'Connor made a five-digit investment in the Stevenson Brewery. Since then, the Stevenson Brewery has experienced a great increase in profits and has expanded locations throughout Maine. Also, we've got to consider that for several years, Thad O'Connor was an entry-level employee at the Stevenson Brewery.

So, looking at these figures, the best course of action is to hire Thad as a consultant, with a salary of $43,000 a year. That should be enough for him to afford his own apartment, which I've already picked for him. I found one a block down from the brewery that was recently vacated, and managed to negotiate a monthly rent of only $300. It's a low-frills environment, but considering how often you've been spending time in D.C. that shouldn't be a big deal, and it should suffice as a residence in the event that your personal life comes under the microscope."
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: November 20, 2014, 01:44:12 am

March 9th, 1988


Safe Republican: >10%

Slight Republican: 4-9%

Tossup: 3% difference

Slight Democratic: 4-9%

Safe Democratic: >10%

Gingrich vs Bentsen

411 - 119 - 8

Armstrong vs Bentsen

384 - 106 - 48

Ho'kee vs Bentsen

360 - 166 - 12

Gingrich vs Brown vs Wyde

428 - 20 - 7 - 83

Armstrong vs Brown vs Wyde

436 - 77 - 7 - 18

Ho'kee vs Brown vs Wyde

420 - 25 - 24 - 69
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Survivor on: November 19, 2014, 08:14:15 pm
Is that Cassidy win before or after the runoff?

There's no runoff if a majority is reached in the regular election.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Regional Voting Regulations Act 2014 (At Final Vote) on: November 19, 2014, 04:20:20 pm
96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: November 19, 2014, 04:15:31 pm
Good morning, folks.  I'm at work.  It was hard getting out of bed this morning.  I went to bed at a good time, but was extra sleepy this morning.  Anyway, I'm here.  Millions of Americans of all ages enjoy watching Rudolph and Frosty when they come on CBS each year, so to consider then childish is very far fetched.  I will say it again, there is nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas half the year like I do.  It's perfectly acceptable.

So it's now time to really start thinking about a title for the next season. Put on your thinking caps people!

Update XIX: Half a Year of Christmas?
97  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Update-opoly sign up on: November 18, 2014, 01:15:50 am
(1) Free Parking / 'Free Gas'  (Put an X in a box)

     [ X ] Any and all fines and taxes go into a Free Parking ('Free Gas' in Update-opoly) fund.  Whoever lands on Free Gas wins the accumulated pool of cash.  If the pool is empty, they win nothing.

     [  ] Any and all fines and taxes go to the bank.  Nothing happens when a player lands on Free Gas.

(2) The last unsold property  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] The last unsold property goes into the Free Gas pool as well.  If somebody lands on that property after it has gone into Free Gas, they may still purchase it at regular price.  But if they land on Free Gas, they win it for free instead.

     [ X ] The last unsold property can only be sold when a player lands on it.

(3) Salary for landing on Go  (Rank your preferences, 1-3)

     [ X ] If you land on Go, you collect $400 instead of $200.  This includes instructions given by Trust Jesus or Papa's Retirement Fund cards to 'Advance to Go'.

     [  ] If you land on Go, you collect $400 instead of $200.  However, instructions given by Trust Jesus or Papa's Retirement Fund cards are excluded, and you only get $200.

     [  ] If you land on Go, you just collect $200.

(4) When players can begin purchasing properties   (Rank your preferences, 1-3)

     [  ] All players must each move around the board once before they can purchase any properties.*

     [ X ] All players must wait until just one player has moved around the entire board once.*

     [  ] Players may begin purchasing properties immediately after the game begins.

* A trip to jail ('Sleep') does not count as traveling around the board, so that player will still need to pass Go after leaving jail to qualify as having fully moved around the board.

(5) If a player chooses not to (or cannot afford to) purchase an unsold property they've landed on...  (Put an X in a box)

     [ X ] ... it remains unsold for the next player to land on.

     [  ] ... it goes to a silent auction, in which players PM me a bid for the property.  Highest bid wins.

(6) When a player lands on a Trust Jesus space...  (Rank your preferences, 1-3)

     [ X ] ... the player must draw a card.

     [  ] ... the player can choose to either draw a card, or sit freely on the space and do nothing.

     [  ] ... the player can choose to either draw a card, or pay a $50 fine.

(7) Collecting rent while in jail ('asleep')  (Put an X in a box)

     [ X ] While asleep, players cannot collect rent on their properties. (I vote this way because paying a landlord/bills necessitates a trip to the other apartment)

     [  ] While asleep, players can collect rent on their properties.

(8) Winning the game    (Rank your preferences, 1-4)

     [  ] A player wins when all other players are bankrupt.

     [  ] A player wins when they have accumulated 85% of the wealth (cash + assets) in play.

     [  ] A player wins when they have accumulated 80% of the wealth (cash + assets) in play.

     [ X ] A player wins when they have accumulated 75% of the wealth (cash + assets) in play.

(9) Trading properties between players  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] Trading properties has to wait until all properties are owned.

     [ X ] Trading properties can begin at any point.

(10) Availability of houses and hotels ('credit cards' and 'loans', respectively)  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] Credit cards are limited to 32, and loans to 12.

     [ X ] There is no limit to credit cards and loans available to purchase.

(11) Issuing properties at the beginning of the game  (Put an X in a box)

     [  ] Three property cards are randomly dealt to each player at the beginning of the game.

     [ X ] No properties are dealt at the beginning of the game.
98  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: SURVIVOR: State Capital buildings of the United States - ROUND 6 on: November 17, 2014, 06:28:37 pm
3 Rhode Island
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Regional Voting Regulations Act 2014 (Debating) on: November 17, 2014, 03:11:43 pm
Debate on this bill will last for 72 hours, or until 10:17 PM on Thursday, November 13, unless otherwise modified or extended. The sponsor has 36 hours to advocate for this proposed legislation. If he does not, this bill will be tabled as there is other pending legislation in the queue.

We should probably get a vote.

FTR I'll be voting nay since there's still a bit of work to do on this.
100  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Snowstalker vs Bas Rutten on: November 16, 2014, 08:50:23 pm
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