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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: February 12, 2015, 02:26:26 am
I am running as Maxwell's Vice Presidential nominee.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: February 10, 2015, 12:14:03 am
1988 Republican Convention
Cincinnatti, Ohio
July 8th - July 10th

Day One - Notable Speakers
Keynote Speaker: James Garner (R-TX)
Senator Ed Zschau (R-CA)
Rep. Jack Kemp (R-NY)
Rep. Fred Anderson (R-MO)

Day Two - Notable Speakers
Governor Wesley "Wes" Stewart (R-ID)
Senator Bill Weld (R-MA)
Senator Frederic Reid (R-IA)
Governor Dick Thornburgh (R-PA)

Day Three - Notable Speakers
Senator Lawrence Coventry (R-VT)
Senator Bill Armstrong (R-CO)
Senator Mark Hatfield (R-OR)
Nominee Areus Ho'kee (R-NV)

The 1988 Republican National Convention was situated in Cincinnatti, Ohio, on a mild week in July. Mark Hatfield failed to win this state four years ago, and his inability to do so made the difference in the 1984 election. Thus, it was no surprise that the Republicans met the opportunity to hold the convention in Cincinnatti with gusto, in hopes of gaining a pivotal boost in what many had expected to be a contentious election. Given Areus Ho'kee's lead in national polling on the week of the convention, some Republicans were second-guessing the choice of Cincinnatti, as opposed to potential locations like Baltimore or Nashville.

Those who knew Ho'kee better knew of his affinity towards extravagant display and drama. However, Ho'kee was complicit in organizing the Republican National Convention to be subdued and uninteresting. Although the two prior nominees had waited until the convention to announce their Vice Presidential picks, Areus had leaked the selection of Lee Dreyfus to several media outlets days before. Many speculated that all of this was to divert attention away from the Republican National Convention and towards the divisions within the Democratic Party.

Even the schedule of convention speakers seemed tame, and that Republicans had stuck to the same script as four years ago: Senator James Garner, now embattled in a tough reelection campaign, was delivering the keynote address once more. In addition, Lawrence Coventry was addressing his third consecutive Republican National Convention. However, some speaking slots were given to more conventional conservatives such as Jack Kemp, Wes Stewart, and Bill Armstrong. Despite this small attempt to curry favor with an alienated segment of the Republican Party, the convention still seemed uncharacteristically noncontroversial, given that the eccentric Areus Ho'kee played no small part in organizing it.

James Garner did not lay the criticism on President Bentsen in the same way that he had towards Jackson four years ago. Instead, Garner had done his best to appeal toward constituencies that Armstrong had done best in, while also making thinly veiled jabs at the Working Man's Party as being little more than a spoiler. This was seen as much self-serving toward Garner as it was helpful to Ho'kee, as Garner had been facing a steep challenge for reelection from Davis Griffin, the current Chairman of the Working Man's Party.

Incidentally, it was Mark Hatfield's speech immediately before Areus Ho'kee's that was considered one of the most moving of the convention. With the closeness of the 1984 election not too distant in his memory, Mark Hatfield tearfully emplored the country to "not make the same mistake twice," and that "giving the Democrats four more years in the White House would be nothing short of a disaster." Areus Ho'kee hugged Senator Hatfield closely, before moving toward the podium to accept his nomination.

"I thank you all for joining me on this momentous night. Before I begin, I would ask that the convention give a standing ovation to Senator Hatfield - for he had the bravery to challenge President Jackson when most of us did not. Although America did not make the right choice, most of his premonitions came true." Areus paused, and everyone to a man stood up and applauded Mark Hatfield. When the crowd finally died down, Areus Ho'kee continued his speech.

"Things have not gotten better since the 1984 election. Our debt continues to increase, unemployment has reached buoyancy at 8%, and we have reached an impasse in Iran. Senator Hatfield is right to receive his accolades, for all of the problems he talked about four years ago have only gotten worse today. When the election of 1984 had taken place, American casualties had reached over 13,000, and our troops had just occupied Tehran. Now, casualties are in excess of 17,000, and Tehran is considered a wasteland. Four years ago the objective was that we were going to avenge the deaths of our embassy staff and turn Iran into a pro-Western state; today the objective is that we maintain control of a narrow strip of oil derricks.

When elected in 1980, the Democratic administration enacted a vigorous agenda to both strengthen our defense industry and put the unemployed to work: the Fortify America Act. However, this was merely graft under the guise of a public works project, and kickbacks were codified into law by the Democratic Congress. Unemployment has not significantly decreased, and the only result was that millions of public dollars stimulated the economies of a select few defense contractors. Our cities and our industry are on decline, as burdensome regulations make it difficult to compete and burdensome zoning laws make it difficult to live. It was not long ago that Detroit was set ablaze because of these unfortunate circumstances.

America said 'enough is enough' in 1986, and Republicans regained control of both chambers of Congress. Following that, President Lloyd Bentsen was forced to compromise on tax reform. With Republicans forcing his hand, we put a bankrupt Social Security program on the path to solvency and achieved tax cuts for the first time since John F. Kennedy was in office. Poliitcal pressure also caused the president to give way and lift the punitive tariffs on Japan, opening foreign markets to our consumers and easing the burden levied upon us by high gas prices. Imagine what we could accomplish if we had the Presidency?

I will acknowledge that most of my speech has been harsh toward President Bentsen. President Bentsen inherited an unfortunate situation. However, Bentsen inherited that situation from Scoop Jackson, of whom he was second in line to. Since assuming office, President Bentsen did his best to downplay investigations into his predecessor's administration. Since assuming office, President Bentsen has done his best to water-down proposals toward genuine tax reform. Since assuming office, President Bentsen has done his best to stonewall proposals toward peace. Simply put, President Bentsen has done nothing but offer a 'reduced fat' version of Jackson's legacy. I do not fault Bentsen for his shortcomings, but we must also acknowledge that he is simply not prepared enough to lead this nation, and I ask the American public to put the White House into more capable hands."
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which economic system? on: February 09, 2015, 09:14:26 pm
I'm a 25 year old white high school graduate with no stocks, mortgage, retirement savings, health insurance, credit, or children....I have a 12$/hr job in health insurance data entry.

Then why the f##k are you a Republican

Taxes, health care, foriegn policy, and my stronge distaste for social engineering and identity politics.

Both parties clearly rely on identity politics--the GOP's version just happens to be white nationalism and Dominionism.

I'll get back on the Revolution tomorrow. I did nothing wrong at Best Buy. I don't feel bad at all. Plus, oakvale, it's Black Friday. It's no fun to be communist this weekend. I wanted to enjoy my shopping spree with the $300 ham I wanted to eat and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  If you don't like it, then shut up and let me live my life.  I am still following the challenges Marx set forth.  Yes, I had a slip up tonight, but I have not completely blown it.
79  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Nominate titles for Update Season XXI right here. on: February 09, 2015, 04:14:36 pm
The diabetes train is crashing through the depot

This, or All Aboard The Diabetes Train
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Dallasfan65's MA Town Map Thread on: February 08, 2015, 07:21:39 pm
Whitmore lost Newton 27609 - 17639.
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How long until Our Dear Friend's official first cheat on his diet? on: February 08, 2015, 02:27:31 pm
I just had two hot dogs for lunch.
82  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this Korean War pamphlet on: February 07, 2015, 12:48:00 pm
As far as our reaction to Boris Yeltsin.  We all were laughing when he got home.  You can either get really upset and distraught or you can take it in stride and laugh.  We chose the laughing route.  Dad joked that he is now "joining the porsche club."  Up until now, he has not had to work on a daily basis.  He'll be fine.  We know where we need to cut down and we'll have further meetings as a family, but it doesn't mean we're going to stop enjoying ourselves in the nationalization department, especially on the utilites.
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: February 07, 2015, 11:49:17 am
The fact that I don't have it, yet, means I can stop the diabetes train before it crashes through the depot.

if Jeff welches on this new diet then next season should be called "All Aboard the Diabetes Train" or something
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to right now? II on: February 05, 2015, 09:06:08 pm
Come On Closer - Pineapples
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Family Guy character is the preceding poster most like? on: February 03, 2015, 12:31:01 am
Officer Barbrady
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: February 02, 2015, 06:24:12 pm
All that travel = 2 fast food meals today out of 3.  So which ones were they?

I didn't have breakfast as I didn't want any junk on my teeth at the appointment, but I did stop by the McDonald's on the Turner Turnpike because I was really hungry and thirsty.  I'm going to eat in the house tonight and save some money and calories.  My mouth is not sore like I thought it would be, so my food options are wide open tonight.  I'll behave, though, and eat in tonight.

What did you get at McDonald's/what will you eat tonight
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: February 01, 2015, 10:52:48 pm
Ugh. I assume you're just as upset about this game as I am, Bushie?

Nah, I wanted Seattle to win, but I was happy for a great hard-fought game.  Since neither the Dallas Cowboys nor the Kansas City Chiefs were in this year's game, I really didn't have a horse in the race.

I'm a Packers fan and I'd still much rather have had the Seahawks win. I live within less than an hour from Gillette and the fans are godawful around here. Looking forward to the Patriots being 4-12 or some such within the next ten years.
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: February 01, 2015, 10:35:37 pm
Ugh. I assume you're just as upset about this game as I am, Bushie?
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Family Guy character is the preceding poster most like? on: February 01, 2015, 05:31:42 pm
Mr Hankey
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: January 31, 2015, 11:54:30 am
I'm not going to consume an entire 2 liter.  I can't do that in one sitting.  The best I can do is about a third.  Plus, it's the Super Bowl.  I'm not going to diet on Super Bowl Sunday.

If you're only going to consume a third of the bottle wouldn't you be better off just getting a 1 liter?

I get not wanting to diet on the Super Bowl (even if you don't normally diet) but why can't you eat healthy tonight? I don't care where your parents are taking you. Man up and eat some broccoli.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: January 30, 2015, 07:21:32 pm
I had a double cheeseburger with about 7 or 8 French Fries.  Not the healthiest especially considering the burger was very greasy and very sloppy, but it tasted good.

Are you even pretending to think about trying to consider eating healthy any more?

Three hund-o has got to be around the corner.
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The History of the American Independent Party on: January 27, 2015, 07:18:13 pm
Great stuff, although I was hoping we'd see the harrowing adventures of Gordon Daniel (R-IA) or something. Tongue

How did Wallace get elected?
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Return of the Kennedys: Rise of the Castros on: January 25, 2015, 03:41:17 pm
It is going to be a very very long time befoire the Dems win anything ever again in MO. Also there is no such thing as a "wave" when a party is going for it third straight Presidential victory. See 1988.

If you want to have a debate about terminology (e.g. "wave") then that is acceptable. However, timelines are a work of fiction and going off-topic/debating is trolling. I've scrubbed the offending posts in question.
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Family Guy character is the preceding poster most like? on: January 24, 2015, 10:50:14 pm
Craig Tucker
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The History of the American Independent Party on: January 24, 2015, 10:35:23 pm
96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Americans Only: Who sould you vote for 2015 on: January 23, 2015, 06:56:52 pm
Lib Dems
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: January 23, 2015, 01:19:01 am
TIME - Bentsen Falls Short!
June 5th, 1988

Bentsen fails to get a majority

With the final primary being a narrow defeat in the Indiana Primary, President Bentsen officially failed to obtain a majority of delegates in the Democratic Primary. Although he won most state contests, many of those victories were with less than a majority. Due to the Democratic National Committee's rules on delegate allocation, this has lead to his two opponents pinpricking him in many contests, depriving him of the delegates necessary to win the nomination outright. While he is clearly favored by the Democratic establishment and a plurality of the party, attempting to corral the support of either of his primary opponents would be a delicate affair.

The most intuitive approach would be reaching a deal with Jerry Brown. The hawkishness of Jackson's presidency and the triangulation of President Bentsen have both done a lot to alienate core Democratic voters, and throwing a bone to Jerry Brown would be a good way of both securing the nomination and consolidating the Democratic base for the general election. However, that may require repudiating several pieces of legislation that he had signed, or even altering his foreign policy - both are decisions which would be an albatross in the general election.

On the other hand, President Bentsen could turn toward Patton Wyde. While Wyde accrued less delegates than Bentsen, and has a more regional appeal, he has a more fiery personality and would be a useful ally to help secure the South for Bentsen. In addition, he was a staunch ally of President Jackson, and it could prove useful to mend relations with him in the Senate. However, in contrast to Jerry Brown, gaining the support of Patton Wyde might mean reneging on the tariff lift, or doubling down on the War in Iran, both of which would leave Bentsen wounded in a general election, perhaps ceding even more ground to Ho'kee.

There is also the route of ignoring both camps. Although not having a majority of pledged delegates, the Democratic National Convention also has hundreds of "superdelegates" in attendance. Mostly party brass, this is an elite group of unpledged delegates who favor the establishment almost by default. President Bentsen could conceivably attain enough of these superdelegates to get a technical majority and clinch the nomination without exchanging any political favors. However, the optics of such a move could potentially alienate half of his party and leave him on poor-footing for a general election. Two rocks and a hard place for President Bentsen, it seems.

Gene is in!

Regardless of what decision President Bentsen comes to, if any, there is one man willing to offer an alternative to the Left in this country: former Senator Eugene McCarthy. Perhaps most famous for his effort to upend Lyndon Johnson in 1968, Eugene McCarthy announced that he would be seeking the Presidency for a third time - on various ballot lines. Citing frustration with the Democratic process, Eugene McCarthy announced to reporters that he would be running for Presidency "outside of the system."

The last time Eugene McCarthy ran for President was in the hotly contested 1976 Presidential election, where some suspect that his marginal performance may have siphoned off enough votes for Ford to win a plurality in several states; Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and with those, the election. Consistent with his last foray, McCarthy is likely to be running a shoe-string operation, running under the banner of various state parties. This time, he has opted to select the aging psychologist B.F. Skinner as his vice-presidential nominee. While it is unlikely that McCarthy would perform any better than he did in his last attempt, the level of discontent within the Democratic Party could enable McCarthy to be a potential spoiler in what is already shaping up to be a difficult election for Bentsen.

Working Man's Party is anyone's guess

Davis Griffin, former chairman of the Republican Party, formed the Working Man's Party in 1985 in response to a perception of the GOP having gone too far to the left. This movement started with a bang - merely a year later it would elect its own Senator, and several members to the House of Representatives. However, the true threat of the WMP was its potential to spoil races for Republicans, which can do just as much to affect the national dialogue as electing its own members. Republicans fell short of a Senate majority in 1986 due to the WMP, and had to broker a deal with two Democratic Senators (Westman and McGovern) to do so.

Since then, the Working Man's Party has reached a slump. Despite their initial breakout, there were only two men who attempted to seek the party's nomination in earnest: David Duke of Louisiana, and Eldridge Cleaver of California. Neither of these men have been elected to significant office before. There are some who would argue that the Working Man's Party would be better suited to run a place-holder for President, and instead focusing on winning (or merely affecting) pivotal races. However, with these two men, the risk of them becoming well-known by the electorate may actually be a liability.

Eldridge Cleaver, black activist and contender for the WMP nomination, has a checkered past. Unbeknownst to most of the American public, Cleaver had been involved in the founding of the Black Panther Party, whose interests might not be considered to be shared with the Working Man's Party. Cleaver also has an eccentric past, having once followed Islam, and travelling numerous countries to avoid extradition. To make matters worse, Cleaver also has arrests and criminal convictions to his name, although it is dubious as to whether or not that would make him ineligible for the Presidency.

By contrast, there is David Duke. David Duke has the distinction of serving as a State Representative in Louisiana, which obstensibly would make him a safer bet than Eldridge Cleaver. However, upon further scrutiny, reporters found that David Duke had been involved in founding a local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Louisiana. David Duke has since tried to divorce himself from his past affiliation with that group. However, if he were the nominee of the Working Man's Party, his past associations with the KKK could help Ho'kee and/or Bentsen pigeonhole the WMP as a far-right racist group.

Perhaps the best hope for the Working Man's Party is Senator Paul Laxalt, entering the WMP selection process halfway through the conventional season. Laxalt brings much to the table as a standard-bearer for Movement Conservatism, and as a presidential contender in 1984. While Laxalt initially opted to remain loyal to the Republican Party, Bill Armstrong's dwindling chances at the presidential nomination led Laxalt to take matters into his own hands. Laxalt has great name recognition and a relatively clean resume, in contrast to his opponents for the nomination, which is a godsend for Davis Griffin.

The only impediment for Senator Laxalt is his late entry into the process. In many states, the Working Man's Party delegate-selection process has been lumped in with the Republican and Democratic primaries, and the front-loaded calendar means that many of the contests were already decided before his entry. In addition, due to varying filing deadlines, Laxalt may find himself ineligible for contests after his entry. That being said, several state affiliates have opted to hold "state conventions" for delegate selection, many of which occur after the primaries. Without the filing requirements, Laxalt may walk to victory in states that require little-to-no campaigning.

For a party that purports to share the interests of the working man, the WMP has been cloak-and-dagger about its nomination process. The WMP has declined to release its convention rules to the public, and has done its best to restrict journalist access to their convention in Dallas, Texas. Taking all of that into account, there is the possibility that the Working Man's Party not abide by its own rules in order to secure the nomination of Paul Laxalt.

Working Man's Party's Primaries


June 2nd, 1988


Safe Republican: >10%

Slight Republican: 4-9%

Tossup: 3% difference

Slight Democratic: 4-9%

Safe Democratic: >10%

Ho'kee vs Bentsen

361 - 145 - 32
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of jmfcst's sock accounts on: January 21, 2015, 12:49:09 am
Dull, just like his original incarnation.
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: January 21, 2015, 12:40:10 am
Let's not forget that this recent lay off was not my fault.  I would happily still be there if the job had been able to continue.  I did absolutely nothing wrong at that job to cause the job to go away.  I rarely ever missed except for a couple of days.  This job is going to really boost my resume because of the name of the company.  Plus, it gave me 3 months invaluable experience.  I now have 5 months experience in CAD which is better than being fresh out-of-the-box.

This work contract is going very well and things are looking pretty decently for it to be extended.  My boss so far is pleased with my work, and things are pointing in that direction.  There are no guarantees, of course, but things are looking as if I may be employed well into the Spring, maybe even Summer.
100  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Super Bowl XLIX Predictions on: January 19, 2015, 03:23:07 pm

I'll go with the Patriots since they have a better track record at the SuperBowl, and the Patriots QB is a lot cuter. Tongue

You are aware he has a slight bit of a beard, no?

"Russell Wilson is.. Undecided"
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