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76  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Office of RG Türkisblau on: July 20, 2015, 03:56:53 pm
Sergio Messi
77  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: A new Mock Parliament on: July 20, 2015, 02:38:37 pm
For those who are curious, this is a prototype (emphasis important).

If you guys come to a consensus on how many seats you're going to have, let me know and I can fix the map accordingly (provided you like it.)
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Maxwell for Senate - I will abolish Atlasia, and do nothing else. on: July 18, 2015, 05:51:20 pm
Endorsed, endorsed, endorsed. This is exactly what we need.
79  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Someone has tried to hack into my account? on: July 16, 2015, 08:20:32 pm
Didn't we ban people from talking about the Other Site?

Um.. no? And why do you care? Huh
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Tightrope- A Timeline on: July 14, 2015, 08:15:54 pm
I'm not usually fond of this era, but this is pretty neat. I can imagine 2014's going to be even worse.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: the founder speaks: tweed's blueprint for a new Atlasian constitution. on: July 14, 2015, 10:35:11 am
Tweed can we get another video?
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: July 14, 2015, 12:57:22 am
TIME - Black Gold burns Bright
October 9th, 1988

Counter-offensive on the Oil Parallel

Last year the Bentsen administration sought to start anew United States policy in Iran by redefining the objective toward bringing stability to Western Iran and capturing oil reserves for war purposes. This campaign was dubbed "Operation Black Gold." Despite the level of destruction in Tehran, the capital of Iran, the existing Iranian regime has grown complacent in Eastern Iran (contiguous to the friendly Soviet Union) and has only given token skirmishes on the city of Qom. While this sort of pin-prick strategy may have been effective in tiring the United States out, some inhabitants of Iran do not have the patience to suffer that sort of attrition. Western Iranian citizens, unwilling to live under the thumb of United States occupation, have banded together through an umbrella network of militia organizations and have constituted the real military opposition in many of these cities. Due to their lack of training, they tended to be dispatched easily by the United States military.

Distraught with their lack of success and not content to abide by the status quo, several of these outfits collaborated and launched a nightly offensive on many of these oil sites on the Oil Parallel. A combination of procured SCUD missiles, planted explosives, and saboteurs caused dozens of oil derricks to burst into flames, making a light show for spectators miles away to see. While the military dispatched these insurgents wherever they met them, the damage has been done, both to the oil derricks and to the United States' existing agenda in Iran.

Stock Market left dripping

Following reports of a massive meltdown in American drilling sites in Iran, the stock market reported a massive loss in oil companies involved in Iran. Additionally, the oil futures market took a huge hit today, and the collective reaction has already begun to be dubbed "The Oil Spill." Basic speculation lends itself toward the conclusion that the meltdown in the stock market and probable increase in the price of gas will be deleterious toward the economy, which does not bode well for the reelection prospects of Lloyd Bentsen.


October 7th, 1988


Safe Republican: >10%

Slight Republican: 4-9%

Tossup: 3% difference

Slight Democratic: 4-9%

Safe Democratic: >10%

Ho'kee vs Bentsen vs Laxalt

372 - 75 - 13 - 78
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Senate Special Election, July 2015 on: July 12, 2015, 08:06:26 pm
[1] rpryor03
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: July 08, 2015, 12:10:35 am
Punji: 1988

Thad went to Areus' estate once more to report the failure of his errand, meeting him in the downstairs lobby of his estate. A sizeable group was present, amongst them: Lawrence Coventry, Ericson Snell, Abimelech Delroy, Alice Luce, and a few others. They were all casually drinking and chatting, obviously in anticipation of Thad's arrival. The large television was tuned to the news and an easel with several sheets of paper stood erect in the corner.

"Despite my supplications, Jefferson Dent had no interest in helping our efforts. I enumerated every reason I could to try and prevail upon him to join us, but it was a waste." The room fell quiet and the life drained from Areus' face. With a grave look on his face, he turned toward Abimelech and asked, "Where does our polling have us at right now?"

Abimelech Delroy moved toward the easel and flipped a sheet of paper, revealing a map of the United States. Some of the states were shaded in, depending on which candidate they corresponded with. With a metal pointer in one hand and a pad of paper in another, Abimelech began studiously going over his notes.

"There hasn't been any movement in Ohio. Respondents in the western part of the state, where the pro-life movement is particularly strong, seem to lean towards Laxalt. Cincinnati is still ours. In Pennsylvania, we're rock solid in the suburbs and doing better than expected in Philadelphia. However, Bentsen has been recovering in Pittsburgh and in the boondocks.

I'm bearish about our prospects in Oklahoma. While our polls have us ahead by a point or two, there's no way that our stance on off shore drilling can help. Plus, the cultural conservatism of the state makes it about as inviting as a landmine. Perhaps our personnel is whiffing this one. Bentsen is also holding steady in Tennessee, Virginia, and Rhode Island," said Abimelech.

His observations were received as if he were reading a eulogy at a funeral. Areus Ho'kee had made a spectacular comeback after the debate in September, going from a blowout in the electoral college to a dead heat. However, in the past week his momentum seemed to have sputtered, and President Bentsen was still in control. "So where does that leave us in the race?" asked Ho'kee with trepidation.

"Down to the wire. Under the current circumstances, I think Laxalt could pull off a win in Idaho and maybe Utah, which would throw a wrench into the works as nobody would have a majority. It's equally likely that Bentsen win Ohio and maybe even Illinois or Indiana, which would be such an electoral payload that it would be the death of our campaign," said Abimelech.

Areus' face was wash with disappointment, despite his best efforts to keep a positive front. "Thank you, my son. Now, despite how grim these prognostications sound, they also mean that we're within striking distance in a number of these states. This is a three-way race, and to be within a few points is to practically be tied. Barnstorming and a stroke of luck may be enough to turn the serpents in this snake-pit toward our favor," he appealed.

His remarks were met with murmurs and dim enthusiasm. However, seconds after he spoke, the news channel had a special announcement. "We have emergency news that our military encampments in Iran are being overrun. While we have no specific intelligence, we have reason to believe it's on several oil derricks in Western Iran," said the morose announcer.

There was an air of silence in the room at first. Thad went quiet, thinking to himself, "Unfortunate that so many men had to die in that episode." Most of the room seemed sad. However, Areus' eyes lit up like stars on a dark night. While most looked on with horror, Areus ran about the room, nearly hugging everybody. "Do you know what this means??? We just won the Presidency," he exclaimed. "We just won the Presidency!" Some in the room self consciously glanced toward each other, before feigning applause.

Years later, Lawrence Coventry would write a poem about this night:

Hiss! Hiss! The serpent churns.
Inside the pot, ambition burns.
A charmer steadies his gourd,
Not realizing a traitor is board.
Note by note, he plays the song,
And the serpent presents him long.
Hands clap, and he is the star
But fangs lunge from afar
The charmer lay dead by his tool,
Who went to many a fool.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: July 08, 2015, 12:01:40 am
Emissary: 1988

After getting Areus' directive, Thad endeavored to arrange a meeting with Jefferson Dent. Speaking with Dent's intern on the phone, they had agreed upon noon time the next day as a meeting date. It was nearly an hour later before Thad observed a haggard figure finally strutting into the Drunken Dutchman and toward his table. It was Jefferson Dent, meeting his hasty invitation.

Though Thad did not make too much correspondence with the Alabama Senator, he noticed that Dent's state had depreciated considerably. In their last meeting, Thad noted that Jefferson Dent's salt and pepper hair matched the tip of his cigarettes, but now it had turned to a forlorn gray. His right eye seemed lifeless and yellow, while his left stared aimlessly on.

Jefferson Dent made his way toward the opposite seat of Thad, sitting down. For a minute there was an uncomfortable silence between the two. "Okay. So, what've you invited me for?" asked Dent. "I understand that this is a matter we spoke of before, and you spurned me for good reason. That being said, I would like for you to hear my case in hopes that you would commit yourself to a viable cause.

From your perspective, the Election of 1988 does not present any good choices. Amongst the belt-way, Areus Ho'kee has the reputation of a wheeler-dealer, and is just too eccentric for the general populace. Lloyd Bentsen played second man to a Democratic President that set back liberal causes more than any Republican of note. Paul Laxalt is a candidate of the Klansman, and Eugene McCarthy has no viability to speak of.

The field has been pared down to these four choices, two of which are automatically invalid. Between the two, you have to ask which serves your interests better: a moderate Republican who emphatically supports withdrawal from Iran, immigration reform, and agricultural welfare, or a Democrat who's ready and able to sell out his party to the highest bidder.

Do not think that your endorsement would be for nothing. Your name carries a lot of clout with blacks in the South, as seen by Hatfield's performance there four years ago.  I know that you're a man of action, and you could be part of a turning point in history," said Thad. Jefferson Dent chuckled, resting his face in his hand. "My grievance with the Democratic Party has been that it's sold out our values. So I'm going to endorse a Republican Presidential candidate who will probably have a Republican Congress? I couldn't sleep at night," said Dent.

Thad felt a lump in his throat as he uttered the next sentence. "Areus left open the possibility that he would be willing to give significant concessions on policy issues in exchange for an endorsement." He took a second to wrack his brain for lines that Lawrence had said. "Consider the outcomes: if Bentsen were to get elected, he would be at the whim of a Republican Congress for his entire term. The populace in general is against the Democratic Party, and if it weren't for Laxalt then Ho'kee would be winning nearly forty states.

However, if Ho'kee were to be elected and you agreed to endorse him then you could have some bargaining power. Considering the deplorable state that the Democratic Party is in, your best bet might be endorsing Ho'kee. He could pass things most Democratic Presidents couldn't," said Thad.

"That's some compelling rhetoric, Thad," said Dent before a garish cough. "I like you quite a bit, but considering Ho'kee's past dealings, life is too short for me to throw my principles behind him, regardless of what perks he might be dangling before my face. Who's to guarantee I'll get them?" Thad was visibly distraught. "So, what issues do you care about the most?" asked Thad.

"Healthcare, far and above anything else. I was born into a landed family and have been at the top rung of society all of my life, but I'm still on the cusp of death. Can you imagine how sh*tty the situation must be for poor people?" asked Dent.  There was a moment of silence before he continued. "Maybe this issue hits too close to home for me. In any event, I won't be endorsing Areus Ho'kee."
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: July 06, 2015, 08:53:53 pm
Death Ground: 1988

Though there were no polls conducted after the debate, the consensus among his friends was that Thad had done well. The local media - to the extent that it had covered the debate - was in agreement: Thad O'Connor had defended his record and laid a glove on Joseph Brennan, a political veteran. Surveys of the audience after the debate indicated that Thad won by a considerable margin. Upon Thad's return to Washington D.C., he met Lawrence's invitation to rendezvous at his apartment with him and Areus.

"Thanks for showing up, Thad. I heard you performed pretty well against Joe Brennan. Considering how tight control of the Senate is, you need to do everything you can to get reelected; for both my sake and yours. Every Senate seat counts, and it would be a major setback if I were to be elected but Democrats regained control of the Senate. Besides, this race is an important challenge for you to tackle: if you lose, then your election was a fluke and your mandate undeserved. If you win, then you know how to defend your record and defeat a political veteran. That could serve as preparation for a more important office..." said Areus.

There was a moment of silence before Areus pressed on. "Anyway, I've brought you two here because I consider you to be among those who I trust the most. I value your insight, and would like to unveil our next strategy in winning the White House: the Southern Strategy." There was a long pause, before Lawrence Coventry spoke up. "Areus, why would we have a Southern Strategy? That area has been the most hostile to our political objectives in every single election. I wish Ericson was here, because he could put this in a better way than I could," said Lawrence.

Areus chuckled. "I'm glad Eric isn't here, personally. I understand your aversion to pursuing the South, but I suspect that my reasons for doing so are precisely the same as your reasons for wanting to avoid it." Lawrence looked puzzled. "To elaborate a bit, the South has been in the Democrats' pocket for almost all elections in the past hundred years - part of that due to machine politics, and part of that because of their strength amongst poor Southern whites. The latter constituency helped Goldwater win the South, and also helped Jackson win a decisive margin in the popular vote.

Laxalt's candidacy took us from a one-hundred electoral vote lead to trailing. However, I think we have to try and pursue whatever opportunities that gives us, and we have to look toward the South. While Laxalt's candidacy has robbed us of some conservative Republicans in the Heartland, it's also hurt Bentsen amongst working-class conservatives in the South. If we're able to hang on to most of the people who voted for Hatfield and peel off a few blacks, then we may win the Presidency, which brings me to the second prong of my Southern Strategy: African Americans.

I recognize that it's a tough sell. However, our campaign has put an emphasis on urban renewal. We've shied away from the dogmatic budget cutting policies of other Republicans. This ticket is the only one committed against the Iran War, and blacks would end up on the bad side of a draft," said Ho'kee.

Lawrence remained unconvinced. "That may be true, but Republicans' dalliance with racists in the Sixties makes that relationship a bit untenable. Regardless, what incentive do we have to offer them to vote for you over Bentsen? Are we really hinging our political prospects on states like Tennessee?" he asked.

"It's less about what we've got, and more about what we're lacking. Bentsen shares the same weaknesses I do on those issues: I supported social welfare reform. So did Bentsen. I supported tax cuts. So did Bentsen. That being said, there's one political figure that I think could steer a significant amount of blacks toward my ticket: Jefferson Dent.

"Dent's refused to support us before. What would we have to offer him this time? Our caucus wouldn't stand for electing him to a leadership role. He's not one for bribery. He dislikes you. Making another run at his support would just look desperate and embarrassing," said Coventry.

"The stakes are different at this juncture. When we'd asked him last time, there was still hope that Bentsen would lose his primary, or move to the left. Now, we know none of that is going to happen, and people don't always stick to their guns when it's crunch time. While Dent is not a man for graft or patronage, I have something a bit more enticing: policy concessions," responded Ho'kee with a sanguine grin.

"Are you mad?!" Lawrence exclaimed incredulously. "Not at all. It would be something relatively small: tobacco tax, maybe a token minimum wage hike. Something unachievable by any Democratic President in the near future. He would get progress on an issue, I would look like a grand compromiser. We both come out winners," said Ho'kee.

"What guarantee would you have to make on that promise? Ericson is going to be the Speaker of the House next year, and there's no way he would along with anything significant. I'm just glad he's not here right now," rebutted Lawrence. "He isn't here for good reason, because I know he'd try and blow the deal up.

By the time I'd make good on my quid-quo-pro, I'd already be President, and Eric would be in a position to either go along with it or squander his political future pissing in the wind against whatever minor fix I'd be advocating for. Thad, you've been seen associating with Dent on a few occasions. Can I count on you to persuade Dent?"

Thad had felt a renewed sense of confidence after infiltrating the Working Man's Party's convention and exceeding expectations against his Senate opponent. While he knew this next task would be difficult, he balked at the prospect of denying a commission from Areus. "I'll do my best," he said.
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CountryClassSF Foundation on: July 05, 2015, 09:41:56 pm
This would be a good idea if you designated this as the only thread he could post in and then immediately locked it.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: July 05, 2015, 04:36:15 pm
A New Start
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Is it time to end Atlasia? on: July 04, 2015, 04:18:26 pm
I can verify that Leinad has only posted from one IP so far, which traces to Georgia. Sock accusations are off-base, at least for the time being.

As for the question in the OP, I vote yes.

90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Happy Birthday Jbrase! on: June 22, 2015, 11:57:45 pm
Happy Birthday bud!
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: June 2015 Federal Election - President, VP and Regional Senators on: June 19, 2015, 04:14:48 pm

[1] BaconBacon96/Bacon King
[2] Write-in: Flo/PiT

Northeast Senator:

[1] Talleyrand
92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your Sports Allegiances on: June 16, 2015, 04:12:49 pm
NASCAR (on occasion)

Green Bay Packers
Brad Keselowski
93  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to stop bullying me and making petitions against me on: June 16, 2015, 03:32:13 pm

94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The opebo challenge on: June 15, 2015, 11:15:32 pm
\Why don't cherry Pop-Tarts come in an unfrosted variety?

Because the vicious cycle of capitalism has begat factory farms that produce only concentrated sugarbread for the drones working the outer layers of the beehive.

What more could you expect, considering the oppressive circumstances of the poors? There's not much I could think of that would placate them better than two square biscuits of frosting and filing - I too would require instant gratification after toiling for five straight hours. This is why Americans tend to resemble livestock these days: they eat processed garbage when they could eat like kings for only 200 Baht or so a night.

Why is Pluto no longer a Planet?
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Dallasfan65 on: June 10, 2015, 03:20:04 pm
OK, so wrt to opeblubb I was bagged while I went on vacation but there's one or two that I never got to post.


No.  Except for a red with dinner, I don't care for alcohol and the feeling of drunkenness.  As deleterious as the state of the poors is in that terrible place, I still can't fathom how you drink that swill you call beer - not even those boorish and wanton beasts of burden that you keep in your fraternities.  Back when I was growing up in Missouri, I knew plenty of those brutes who would guzzle the stuff in hopes of waking up next to a fellow heifer.

96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Dallasfan65 on: June 07, 2015, 02:05:23 pm
Running on all booze and no food rn
Thanks for the love you guys <3

Drop that kitty down low
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 06, 2015, 02:43:44 pm
Pregaming in Vegas rn

Random thought but dae think that the song Timberlake did with MJ is the best thing ever?
98  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to revoke 10 of my death points on: June 06, 2015, 06:02:49 am
In my defense I only use infraction points to shut down troll accounts so there is no conspiracy
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: May 26, 2015, 01:13:46 am
Moderator: We can't afford to get bogged down here, gentlemen. We have to move on. For O'Connor, how do you defend on the Social Security reform act? For Brennan, would you have voted for it? If not, why?

O'Connor: A cornerstone of my beliefs is that the government ought to do right by its people. I understand the need for a safety net for our senior citizens. However, one thing to keep in mind is that senior citizens are saving more, living longer, and have more economic opportunity than they did in the 1930's. The previous system did not comport with the current reality, and was costing tax payers billions. The fix passed by Congress acknowledges how we've developed as a nation and our reduced dependence on government for retirement. It does right by both our grandparents and our taxpayers.

Brennan: One of your saving graces has been your oratory, Senator. Only you would be able to dress up a proposal that slashed benefits to the elderly, cut taxes for the rich, and raised them on those who work hardest. What Senator O'Connor hasn't mentioned is that these people - the generation that defeated Nazi Germany and Japan - are being duped of the benefits promised to them when they first entered the workforce. What may be even more reprehensible is that it furthers income inequality in our nation; Thad talks about doing right by our tax payers, but this bill features a steep hike on FICA contributions from average folks while lowering the tax rates of the richest amongst us.

The only thing more hypocritical than Thad O'Connor's rhetoric is his record - he voted against a proposal to cut taxes for the rich in 1983, only to backpedal on the issue.

O'Connor: Governor, I thank you for your accolade on my verbal flair, and will use my acclaimed talent to illustrate just how disingenuous your statement here is. It's true that the World War Two generation isn't getting the benefits it was promised, but the reality is that such a system was insolvent and beneficial to nobody. It's true that workers have to pay more toward the social safety net, but we ought to view this as insurance: they are paying toward benefit systems that they are most likely to rely upon at some point in the future. Your vacuous populism on this issue would only lead the country to ruin.

While I did vote against Dole's proposal in 1983, things need to be put into perspective: these tax cuts were being advocated at a time when President Jackson's administration was having record federal outlays. It would be fiscally irresponsible to vote for a proposal reducing revenues. Now that we have a more austere government, I have no compunction lowering top tax rates.

Moderator: As each of you have been made aware, illegal immigration is an issue that this country needs to confront. Where do each of you stand on this issue? Also, considering that both of you are of Irish descent, does that affect your perspective on this issue?

Brennan: I think the story of America is one of hope, and there are few things more inspiring than the countless tales of immigrants from second-rate countries in Europe making a name for themselves here. I'm Irish and Catholic myself, and have been Governor of Maine. That being said, I don't think that immigration back then and immigration today is an apples-to-apples comparison.

For starters, my ancestors arrived to this country through legal avenues. It wasn't simply a matter of hiding on a boat. Furthermore, there exists a precedent for Mexican workers: the Bracero program. As Senator, any immigration reform package that I would vote on would entail stern enforcement and a nuanced approach to our existing immigration laws. Considering out current problems with unemployment, we really don't need an influx of laborers. Lastly and perhaps more importantly, when you consider what's been going on in South America, we ought to be aware of the Communist efforts down there. I'm worried that any lax approach to amnesty could result in Che Guevaras on our own soil.

O'Connor: I am also Irish. I agree with the Governor that the success of the Irish coming to America is a compelling narrative; but it is because of that success that we lack the perspective of our forebears. They fought some battles for us. While Irish discrimination did exist, I can say with certitude that trying to relate our experiences with those of Hispanic descent is an apples and orange comparison. Neither you nor I know what it's like.

I am open-minded on the issue of immigration reform. With regards to the labor issue, I can understand why some are concerned about newcomers competing with the sizable contingent of unemployed laborers in our country. However, I am a firm believer in the freedom of opportunity and the free market, and think that our goods produced and services rendered would only improve by adding depth to our potential work force. As for concerns about these people being communist spies, they're foolish.

Moderator: Staying on topic, a few months ago there was a scuffle in the city of Detroit. One wrong signal was sent, and over a dozen people died. This is all endemic of the decline of industry in the Midwest; as Senator, how would you diagnose this problem and what cure would you prescribe?

Brennan: America's stranglehold on auto manufacturing has turned into a light caress. This is a problem for America for the obvious reasons: not only is our export market hurting, but we're losing jobs, an entire industry is dying here, and with it an entire region. This bodes poorly for our unemployment situation. This is one issue where I mostly side with the President: for us to keep our industry alive we need to keep oil prices low. We need to expand offshore drilling, and we need to maintain stability in the Middle East.

Where I disagree with the President is his feckless decision to lift tariffs against Japanese imports. I think one hallmark of the American work ethic is that hard work should pay off; auto workers receive good pensions and benefits because they put out a great product. There's no reason why we should offer up a core industry of ours to the Japanese on a silver platter simply because they pay their workers less and offer a cheaper, but inferior product.

O'Connor: I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea of having a magnificent auto industry. It's an idea that I grew up with as a boy. However, while Brennan's comments may make us pine for the halcyon days of the early Sixties, the reality is that such expectations do not comport with current demand. The current demand is for smaller cars that are more fuel efficient; and I don't consider that to be a bad thing.

I understand labor's grievances right now, but the reality is that their careers were built on unreasonable expectations. Time flows like a swift ravine - ever changing. Perhaps a pay cut is necessary to compete with Japan's auto industry. Perhaps the muscle cars of the Sixties are inefficient. I think that Bentsen's lifting of the tariffs on Japan is one of the best decisions he's made as President, as it will apply the pressure of the free market to our cars to be more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly.

Moderator: We've got to wrap this up, so each of you make one final appeal to the voters.

Brennan: Thank you John. I'd like to ask the voters tonight to ask themselves one question: are they getting the most out of their public officials? As Governor, I cleaned our rivers and produced thousands of jobs for our state. My opponent here has six bills or so to his name. While he has made some impressive speeches and grandstanded on the national stage, he hasn't accomplished much for our state. I ask the voters to look past my party affiliation and look towards promises that I can make good on. Thank you.

O'Connor: While I've come under fire from my opponent, let me say one thing. I have been and always will be a consistent opponent of reckless foreign policy moves. I have not taken as many initiatives as I'd like to because of the current consensus in the White House. To the voters, I ask that you vote Republican this November. Vote for Areus Ho'kee. Vote for me. Vote Republican down ballot, so we can have actual change in Washington. I promise that if you do this, we will drain the swamp of corruption, restore transparency and ethics, fix the economy, and withdraw from our current foreign policy entanglements. Thank you.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: May 26, 2015, 01:13:09 am

Moderator: I would like to thank each of the candidates for joining us here in Waterville. With control of the Senate up in the air, this election is an important one. For the first round of questions, I'd ask that each of you introduce yourselves to the audience.

O'Connor: Thank you. Six years ago, the people of Maine elected me to the Senate in response to the Jackson administration. During my tenure in the Senate, I have been a continued force against the wanton proclivity toward invasion that seems to pervade most of Washington. During my tenure, I have spoken out against the government sanctioned redistribution of wealth from suffering urban areas to the pockets of wealthy and well-connected farmers. During my tenure, I have opposed the sort of "fly by the seat of your pants" attitude that past administrations have taken toward the environment. Going into this debate, I'd like to ask for six more years to continue to work for the people of Maine.

Brennan: I'm running for Senator because our state needs an experienced journeyman to represent them. During my term as Governor, we passed legislation protecting our rivers and we reinvested in our local industries. As a nation, we have a myriad of issues facing us: our missions cease vision and our workers have literally died in the street to try and reclaim their jobs. While O'Connor seems like he has good heart, his sporadic attendance shows that he's either uninterested or incapable of handling these issues.

Moderator: One question on the minds of many is our current engagement in Iran. Where do each of you stand on this issue?

Brennan: I think that our current mission in Iran is a lost cause. I can understand why there was an impulse to invade after the death of our consulate, but the reality is that this conflict has drawn us into a quagmire like Vietnam. It's a folly. If elected Senator, I would oppose attempts to extend our presence in Iran and would work to renegotiate the 1986 deal.

O'Connor: To those of you who are voting with the intent to get our troops out of Iran, do not vote for Brennan tonight. He is the primary symptom of the disease we have in Washington: numerous Democrats run in Northern states as being against the war in some capacity, but vote for Democratic leaders. Robert Byrd was President Jackson's chief liason in the Senate, and only had his majority because of these Democrats. It does not matter if Ted Kennedy or Christopher Dodd voted against the invasion of Iran - as long as they vote for Robert Byrd, Democrats set the cadence and tempo of the agenda. The rest is merely window dressing.

Brennan: Senator, this reinforces my point that you're an amateur in the Senate. Your response to the situation in Iran is to throw your hands up and say "get out now!" without any respect to the nuances that this situation presents. While I dislike the war as much as you do, the reality is that immediate withdrawal would lead to Iraq taking over the region. The long-term solution is that we have to maintain some sort of presence there and keep the peace.

O'Connor: When asked a minute ago, you categorically called this war a lost cause and said you would oppose any attempt to extend our presence in Iran - yet now you've criticized me for taking the same position. You criticize me for lacking nuance on he Iran withdrawal, but you yourself have criticized the 1986 compromise. What's your mission for Iran? Ten of our best soldiers shipped off to keep the peace of the entire country?

In your previous statement you characterized my approach as unrealistic. Is your approach any more realistic? "Maintain some sort of presence to keep the peace" sounds reasonable on its face. However, our current deployment can barely keep control of the Oil Parallel. How do you expect a reduced force to maintain stability in the entire country? Despite your Golden Mean approach, I think your proposal is far more wide eyed and optimistic than mine.

Moderator: What makes you more qualified than your opponent to represent Maine?

Brennan: As I mentioned before, I ran a steady ship while I was Governor of this state for four years. The trains ran on time and the bills were paid. In addition, I have a degree in law and have served in some judicial capacity. By contrast, the incumbent has no law degree and is excessively absentee from the Senate. Suffice it to say, I think my opponent prefers to use the Senate as a debate club, as opposed to a deliberative body for solving problems.

O'Connor: Mr. Brennan, can you name an issue on which you substantively disagree with the President? You've implied that you agree with the anti-war forces in Congress, but have not uttered a specific policy plank toward getting us out of Iran. You've criticized the state of inflation, but haven't mentioned what you would do to deter President Bentsen's monetary policy. Lastly, you've touted your record on environmentalism as Governor, but your only substantive accomplishment was a bill protecting rivers, yet you've hypocritially turned a blind eye toward the President's drilling of the Gulf Coast.

You've criticized me a lot for perceived absenteeism and lack of initiative as a Senator. That being said, what exactly did you accomplish as Governor? What makes you more qualified, and why should voters think that you would be more independent of the current administration than I am?

Brennan: I don't appreciate your tone here, although I guess it's to be expected given the way the polls are. You've also misrepresented my record. In addition to environmental protection, we added jobs to the economy with smart investments to our port industry.

O'Connor: To cite an example, the Bath Works project is budgeted to cost thirty million dollars for only a few hundred jobs. Does that really sound like a worthwhile investment? Does that sound like a scrupulous deal, amidst the backdrop of Democratic graft on an epic proportion?

Brennan: Do you have any foundation for your implication here, or is this just guilt by association?

O'Connor: There's been no investigation into your negotiations as Governor. I'm not alleging any specific wrongdoing here. I'm merely arguing that the fast and loose culture of President Jackson's administration is a poor backdrop for your prospective Senate career.
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