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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / what distinguishes Car Control from Gun Control? on: April 09, 2014, 04:28:01 pm
(This thread began in the thread about the stabbing spree earlier today, and was split off. -TF)

This is terrible, of course, but imagine what he would have done with a gun?

But he didn't, so that's not really relevant, is it?  This seems pretty typical of the liberals of the forum.  Whenever a mass shooting occurs, you guys talk about how if we had much tighter gun control, stuff like this wouldn't happen, but when it's a non-gun incident, you still manage to turn the subject to guns.

The fact is, if violent people want to commit violent acts, they will, with or without access to a gun.

Perhaps if he had a gun, he would've been noticed and stopped sooner, and no violence would've occurred.  We don't know that, just like you don't know that it would've been worse had he had a gun.

What kind of weapon you use is relevant to how dangerous you are.  That's obvious, right?  A banana, grapefruit, sharpened stick, knife, sword, gun and weaponized anthrax all pose different levels of danger as weapons.

If I knew someone was going to commit a violent act against me, I hope they would use a banana and not a gun.  Right?

The most dangerous weapon I own is a car (I do own a gun) but the car is the most dangerous. I can drive up and down the street and into crowded public places and kill far more people then using a gun before I'm stopped so it's not just guns.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Lief on: April 02, 2014, 05:35:13 pm
Hopefully he's banned soon, too bad no discussion on it. Sad Truely someone filled with hate.
3  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Is this proper behavior for a mod? on: April 02, 2014, 08:02:01 am
We got rid of joshgreen and he was just like Al and Joe so I don't see the difference.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Democrat wins in 2016 (but Republicans keep the House), what does s/he do? on: March 30, 2014, 07:34:09 am
I'd hope that he/she pulls a game-changer, loads essential personnel onto a fleet of buses and begins living/working on the road - and solely in Republican CDs. He or she should explain the benefits/cost savings of doing so via technological efficiency, and spend every single day putting the balls of the Republican Party in a vice-grip on their home turf. They should prove to red-blooded Americans once again that the Democratic Party cares about their interests, is willing to make the office of President accessible to the people and tear each and every one of these Republican obstructionists a new one right in front of their home congressional offices multiple times per year. They should work these media markets for micro-targeted attention to pressing local and state issues, and prove to these constituents that the Republican Party doesn't give a damn about them.

In essence, go into full-time campaigning, revive the 50 state strategy and turn the office of President into a hyper-mobile and active political force that no one else in this country can match. Slaughter them.

Couldn't the Republicans do the same, go into the inner cities, majority black areas and do the same thing? Look what the Democrats have done for you over 70 years?
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: North Star Polls: Full Reboot on: March 30, 2014, 07:31:49 am
Terrible idea, like usual, like it always has been.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIII on: March 30, 2014, 07:13:41 am
Changing the subject, but I just had a 3.7 magnitude earthquake epicenter RIGHT UNDER MY HOUSE.  I live 4 km east of Choctaw, Oklahoma and that is exactly where the USGS pegged it at.

God is punishing you for lying to everyone. Repent your sins Bushie!
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: March 2014 At-Large Special Senate Election on: March 29, 2014, 01:04:35 pm


AT-LARGE SENATE (1 vacancy to fill)


[  ] Alfred F. Jones of Maine
Labor Party



[ 2 ] Deus naturae of New York
Democratic-Republican Party



[ 1 ] Simfan34 of California
The People's Party



[ 3 ] Write-in: JCL

[  ] None of the above
[/quote]
[/quote]
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Nerdism - pt. III on: March 27, 2014, 07:33:45 am
1 by the rules I was taught (multiplication and division in order from left to right).

Which gives 9 here, not 1.

6 ÷ 2 (1 + 2) =
6 ÷ 2 (3) =
3 (3) =
9

Now if you do multiplications before you do divisions, you get 1, but that's not the usual PEMDAS order of operations.

This is the way I was taught. Anything within the parentheses first, then division/multiplication from left to right.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Did you ever wake up in the morning ... on: March 27, 2014, 07:22:25 am
Yeah, your arm just fell asleep really well. Give it a moment and then the circulation comes back and it tingles like it normally wood and then you'll have full movement and like normal. It happens from time to time depending on how you sleep/where your arm went.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Gabu on: March 26, 2014, 10:01:08 am
FF, maybe we can finally trade BRTD for him back?
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Anyone else here think March Madness is the best sporting event of the year on: March 24, 2014, 08:28:52 am
NCAA Division 3 Football Playoffs are where it's at. I'm sure the D2 and D1-FCS are just as good as well but I actually have a stake with D3 with my alma mater being a total beast in football.

D1-FBS is going to have to go a long way and add a lot more teams to get to the same level. And since I really don't follow basketball so march madness and the NBA finals I just root for the Wisconsin teams.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Mideast Voting Booth: March 2014 Elections on: March 20, 2014, 09:40:11 am
Assembly Election:
[1] Inks.LWC
[2] Cassius
[3] JohanusCalvinusLibertas
[4] TheRileyKeaton
[5] outofbox6
[6] hifly15
[   ] Write-In: ____________
[   ] Write-In: ____________
13  General Politics / Economics / Re: Sales tax rates by state on: March 19, 2014, 04:11:57 pm
Milwaukee County is at 5.6% grumble grumble.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you miss opebo's contributions to The Update? on: March 18, 2014, 05:12:03 pm
This raises the eternal question of whether it's "Update" or "The Update".


It's Update, of course. I don't understand where "The Update" comes from.

You of course mean it's The Update.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: opinion of former poster texasindy on: March 18, 2014, 04:50:28 pm
Can we delete her account?
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the House size be increased? on: March 18, 2014, 04:44:01 pm
Double it in size, halve their pay to save the difference and I think it could work.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Russian Annexation of Crimea on: March 18, 2014, 01:34:25 pm
Nein danke!
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIII on: March 18, 2014, 12:51:52 pm
how long will your nap be today?

I'm not feeling a nap today.  I'm too involved in searching for places to apply.  In short, I've got energy.

Beautiful. Use it.

And not on brief relaxations.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you miss opebo's contributions to The Update? on: March 18, 2014, 11:27:39 am
How many more of these polls do we get when it's 70%+ that don't like/want the trash back?
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: March 16, 2014, 01:26:56 pm
Got just below 200lbs with exercising, still at least 30lbs to go but it's a start. Also have made it to 50% of what I plan to save before buying my condo so that's on the way as well.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I work at Walmart AMA on: March 16, 2014, 01:25:01 pm
Does your Walmart have that horribly abusive fish department?
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it wrong for taxpayers to fund welfare of any kind. on: March 14, 2014, 04:13:24 pm
There is literally not enough work that is of any value to any person to keep every low-skilled worker occupied. The term "zero marginal product worker" has been popping up for good reason. What you're advocating would both cost more than "welfare" and add to the sum total of human misery. But you probably already knew that.

That's a recycled corporate argument, which supposes an economic utopia without welfare. In the real world, a welfare recipient who sweeps streets is often more economically useful to the public than someone who sits on their duff. The exception is welfare mothers with children.

Well, if you want someone sweeping the street, hire him to do that, instead of keeping him on welfare.

but we can't have the free market running things, that's unconservative and unamerican (see bans on tesla sales and the vw/uaw fiasco)

These are the people who will never be off welfare anyways, so why not make them work for it instead of doing nothing.

Because there is too much people and not enough work? Either we accept than some people won't work, or we reduce the lenght of the work week to allow more people to work. Sure, we could create useless street sweepers jobs like someone wanted, but, it's like the USSR. Creating useless jobs to have full employment.

So you're suggesting something that would never happen without reducing everyone's pay instead of something like bridge/road repair which would benefit the whole country? Most people will obviously only be on welfare a short time and that's what it should be there for. For the people who will never be productive I'd rather make them work for a living while still getting that welfare.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it wrong for taxpayers to fund welfare of any kind. on: March 14, 2014, 03:33:37 pm
There is literally not enough work that is of any value to any person to keep every low-skilled worker occupied. The term "zero marginal product worker" has been popping up for good reason. What you're advocating would both cost more than "welfare" and add to the sum total of human misery. But you probably already knew that.

That's a recycled corporate argument, which supposes an economic utopia without welfare. In the real world, a welfare recipient who sweeps streets is often more economically useful to the public than someone who sits on their duff. The exception is welfare mothers with children.

Well, if you want someone sweeping the street, hire him to do that, instead of keeping him on welfare.

but we can't have the free market running things, that's unconservative and unamerican (see bans on tesla sales and the vw/uaw fiasco)

These are the people who will never be off welfare anyways, so why not make them work for it instead of doing nothing.
24  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the U.S. government abolish the IRS, EPA, HUD, FDA, Labor, HHS, NSA? on: March 14, 2014, 02:18:18 pm
Abolished? No

Merged? Some of them could be merged and slimlined but defnitly not abolished.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it wrong for taxpayers to fund welfare of any kind. on: March 14, 2014, 12:29:32 pm
There's nothing inherently wrong for it but you have to have limits and cutoffs and the same types of restrictions as say working a job. Like drug tests, things like that. If people can't pass it then there should be some type of public works process where they have to work say fixing roads or stuff like that that's not really skilled and can be trained. You work, you get fed, if you want to get out of it work your ass off and you can but no long stays on welfare.

So workhouses, basically?

With obviously humane conditions, etc etc. If someone is just going to be living off of welfare, has no way to possibly get ahead and doesn't really care then why not get some actual work out of them instead of just constantly giving them everything. Obviously this would be a last step after everything else has failed.
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