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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Melania Trump obliviously lectures U.N. on bullying on: September 21, 2017, 06:59:18 pm
She married a creep, and it was likely NOT out of love.

Saying that Hillary has a "business relationship" with Bill is misogynist, but saying that Melania married Trump for his money is not?

I didnít say she married him for money; you said that just now.

Even though that isnít what I was referring to, if it were the case I would have no problem with it tbh. Hell, Iíd marry for Trumpís kind of money.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Trump Presidency, A damage report on: September 21, 2017, 06:56:36 pm
I'm particularly worried about the continued degradation of norms. Like for example, the idea that the president shouldn't preemptively pardon himself, the willingness to tell blatant lies, and his disregard for conflicts of interest. Also the attack on the legitimacy of elections and, potentially, courts.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tom Price plane "scandal" on: September 21, 2017, 06:54:00 pm
To be a republican is to be a scumbag these days

It truly is.

I was a longtime GOP voter.  Never again.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Melania Trump obliviously lectures U.N. on bullying on: September 21, 2017, 06:49:09 pm
People make fun of Melania because of her husband. Because of what she wears. Because of how she talks (muh don't speak English fluently people). Because she is standing up for an important issue.

I haven't heard many people poking fun at Melania.

She married a creep, and it was likely NOT out of love.  But I don't fault her for that, nor do I fault her for standing up for such an important issue as bullying, even though her husband makes her stance mostly invalid.  And I've never heard anyone ever make fun of how she talks.  The only time I heard someone make fun of her clothing was when she visited Texas right after the hurricane--and let's be honest, it did look kind of awkward, didn't it?  But ultimately, who cares about that?  Her husband is the problem--not her.  Anyone who doesn't see that is a fool.

On the other hand, Michelle Obama was literally compared to a gorilla, and also called a man.

Even if someone made fun of Melania for all the things in your post, it's apples to oranges when compared to that one insult against Michelle.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Melania Trump obliviously lectures U.N. on bullying on: September 20, 2017, 01:56:10 pm
I don't fault Melania for her husband's massive blunders or his bullying others literally every chance he gets.

And I think it's admirable for her to try and stand for a cause like this.

But given the complete idiocy of his husband, any progress she makes on this front will be overlooked and soon forgotten.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hillary Clinton's "What Happened" sells more than 300,000 copies in first week. on: September 20, 2017, 01:53:12 pm
Democrats who want someone to blame for last year exist in large numbers. What they don't realize is the only one to blame is the book's author.

Well, sure she shares the blame.

But she is far from the only one.

Russia, Comey, actual fake news surrounding her e-mails and Benghazi, Bernie Sanders and those of his supporters too stubborn to vote for her, and so many potential voters who didn't vote at all for whatever reason.  All those factors (and others) share the blame with Hillary.  She made mistakes, and there is no doubt about that.  But any mistakes she made during the campaign, and whatever butthurt feelings that kept Sanders' supporters from voting for her, are no excuse for not supporting her in the most vital election of our lifetimes--and now we are all suffering/going to suffer through one of the worst (the worst?) presidential administrations in American history.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump using campaign funds to pay legal bills arising from Russia investigation on: September 19, 2017, 05:16:07 pm
Deplorables donít care.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Amazon removes one-star reviews from Hillary Clinton's new book on: September 19, 2017, 01:21:30 pm
I think a good question is why these conservative snowflakes are taking time to post fake reviews on a book they haven't read from a person they've already defeated electorally. She poses literally zero threat to them or the current regime.

To use the argument my conservative friends use against those who attend protests: "don't they have jobs???"
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Amazon removes one-star reviews from Hillary Clinton's new book on: September 19, 2017, 07:42:51 am
The poor snowflakes are upset that Amazon deleted their fake reviews Sad
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hillary Clinton suggests that 2016 election may not be legitimate on: September 18, 2017, 06:49:37 pm
Well let's see.

There is no doubt that Russian interference occurred.

There is no doubt that Russia's goal was to elect Donald Trump and to instill uncertainty in our elections and our government.  There is little doubt they had/have the means to influence our election.

There is no doubt that Hillary won the popular vote by about 3 million votes.

It is also oddly suspicious that polling in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin (not to mention, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Florida) consistently indicated a Clinton win, and that election day was opposite of the polling data. Sure, things happen and polls are not always accurate.  But every poll?  And every political analyst?  And in three traditionally Democratic states?  States that haven't voted for a Republican in 30 or more years, and showed little chance of doing so in 2016?  I'm not saying I believe individual votes were tampered with (although that could be a possibility, who knows--not I, and not you), I'm just saying that it's odd these three states went to Trump, of all people, and especially when virtually every pollster and analyst had data predicting otherwise.  Also, it's important to note that elections can be rigged, voting machines can be hacked, and individual votes can be altered.

Clinton's suggestion is certainly possible; and while the electoral college, without hacking, makes the election legitimate, it does not make Trump's presidency the will of the people--the will of the people was for Hillary to be president.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politico: The Loneliest President on: September 17, 2017, 01:12:29 pm
I think you have to be pretty messed-up to want to be President in the first place.

Never trust anybody who wants to be in charge.

So every president in US history has been untrustworthy?  Every leader in world history?
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT (op-ed): Trump Says Jump. His Supporters Ask, How High? on: September 17, 2017, 11:02:53 am
Evangelicals only care that their policies are being supported. They will take it in whatever vessel they can.

Yet the vessel they currently support is about as anti-Christian as you can get.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT (op-ed): Trump Says Jump. His Supporters Ask, How High? on: September 17, 2017, 08:16:10 am
Of course, because his supporters are all idiots and sheep who would literally follow him to their graves.  He has but the ask and they'd do it without even thinking about it.  It's a cult, there's no other word for it.

And these people are committed like no other group; they'll stick by him no matter what.  Take the Paris agreement.  They all derided it when he said the US would be leaving it, and now that he's waffling on it, so are they.  And they'll all be there voting for the moron again in 2020--because they're also all morons.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politico: The Loneliest President on: September 17, 2017, 08:12:10 am
I think you have to be pretty messed-up to want to be President in the first place.

Well, the basic goal for being president would/should be to help better the country and its citizens.  That's not messed up at all, but rather pretty noble.

That isn't always the goal of the people running for the office, but sometimes it is.  In Trump's case, it isn't, even though his voters are too brain dead to understand that.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WSJ: US will *NOT* withdraw from Paris climate accord on: September 17, 2017, 08:06:52 am
The bipolar White House.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Clinton on Maddow last night. Why do people hate her? on: September 16, 2017, 06:58:53 pm
Maybe it's because she speaks so condescendingly, attempted to hide an email scandal, lost a very winnable race, is still dividing the Democratic Party, etc.

It's not because she's a woman. It's because of who she is as a person.

Trump voters hate Hillary because of who she is as a person?  Well if that isn't hypocritical then I don't know what is!
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Where would President Hillary Clinton's Approval Rating be right now? on: September 14, 2017, 02:06:05 am
There is just no truly conceivable way that Hillary's approval would be in the 20s or even anywhere close to that.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rapper Hangs White Child in Video on: September 14, 2017, 02:03:42 am
So are they making a statement?  Because I'm not getting it.

The only thing this does is delegitimize the BLM movement, build up every white supremacist Nazi in the country to be even more stupid, and infuriate normal people.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Manchin vs. Pence election on: September 13, 2017, 06:44:27 pm


Manchin: 364
Pence: 174
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: President Pence vs. Bernie Sanders on: September 13, 2017, 06:40:03 pm


Pence: 273
Sanders: 265

Iowa is the closest state.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Chances of all Clinton states voting Dem again in 2020? on: September 13, 2017, 06:33:46 pm
95-100%

Unless Russia fudges things up again, then who knows.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump be a 1 term President? on: September 11, 2017, 08:17:43 am
Ordinarily, he would be a one term president.

But his friends in Moscow will have their say again.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton says she will not run in 2020 on: September 11, 2017, 08:15:12 am
She's not running.

Also, she will be remembered extremely favorably by future historians.  The current right-wing hate of Hillary is unfounded, illogical, and based solely on speculation and conspiracy theory.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: WaPo-The Fix: Top 15 2020 Democratic Contenders, Ranked on: September 11, 2017, 08:11:37 am
Tim Kaine is a good choice.

He'd get annihilated

At least he's from a state that actually matters. Jeff Merkely brings nothing to the table with Oregon.

I don't know.  I think Virginia is going to be D for quite some time.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NPR/Marist/PBS poll: 6/10 Americans against removal of Confederate Statues on: September 10, 2017, 08:26:15 am
Americans overall were as a majority against Donald Trump's job performance, against his response to Charlottesville (calling it weak), and don't trust him on North Korea. However:
"Republicans were twice as likely as Democrats to say they supported keeping statues that honor Confederate leaders. Two-thirds of whites and Latinos said these statues should not be removed. African-American respondents were split, with 44 percent saying the statues should remain in place, and another 40 percent saying they need to be removed because some people find them offensive."

Full crosstabs: http://maristpoll.marist.edu/nprpbs-newshourmarist-poll-results-on-charlottesville

Who cares?

If we took a poll asking how many people wanted slavery back, and the majority were in favor, would that mean we should bring slavery back?  We're not a democracy for a reason.
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