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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump 7/19 NYT interview on: July 20, 2017, 09:02:40 am
This was an amusing but also odd slight at Baltimore:

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The president also expressed discontent with Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, a former federal prosecutor from Baltimore. When Mr. Sessions recused himself, the president said he was irritated to learn where his deputy was from. “There are very few Republicans in Baltimore, if any,” he said of the predominantly Democratic city.

Well yeah, Baltimore is a cesspool.

I thought Trump hired the very best people?  If true, then why is he so upset with them now?
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kris Kobach: "We may never know if Clinton won the popular vote" on: July 20, 2017, 08:59:03 am
Sure, and Mars has a sex slave colony.

No, they've moved to the moons of Jupiter since their cover was blown on Mars.

Cheesy
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don Jr. "miserable," wants Trump presidency to end on: July 20, 2017, 08:58:37 am
Put this fuc.ker in jail

Trump voters spent the last year or so chanting "lock her up," I wonder how it feels to have the tables turned on them, and for a much more serious/treasonous reason?
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don Jr. "miserable," wants Trump presidency to end on: July 19, 2017, 07:31:08 pm
LOL.
He is especially going to hate life, when he is sitting in jail.
Why do you have to be so mean to him? He was trying to help his father.

This has got to be a joke post.

It is, right?

If an article like this were written about Chelsea Clinton Santander would be doing backflips.

Most Trump worshipers would.

I just usually don't see such poor defense of their idol.

I mean, it's always a poor defense.  But this one was especially bad.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kris Kobach: "We may never know if Clinton won the popular vote" on: July 19, 2017, 07:29:46 pm
Sure, and Mars has a sex slave colony.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump 7/19 NYT interview on: July 19, 2017, 07:27:46 pm
I want to go to sleep tonight, and wake up tomorrow in an alternate reality.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don Jr. "miserable," wants Trump presidency to end on: July 19, 2017, 07:26:05 pm
LOL.
He is especially going to hate life, when he is sitting in jail.
Why do you have to be so mean to him? He was trying to help his father.

This has got to be a joke post.

It is, right?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: July 19, 2017, 07:24:59 pm
Faux News poll:



They conveniently leave out their June poll where he had a 44/50 split in this graphic.

Approvals on:

The economy: 45/46
Immigration: 42/53
North Korea: 41/45
Syria: 40/45
Iran: 37/44
Russia: 33/56
Health care: 32/59

First time he's been in the negatives on the economy.

I bet they spun it to sound favorably to him somehow.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: John McCain has been diagnosed with brain cancer on: July 19, 2017, 07:23:54 pm
I hate cancer Sad

I've always liked McCain.  I voted for him in 2008, and I am proud of that vote.

I don't agree with him on everything, and especially so recently, but you never have to guess with him. He is a true patriot.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Trump the most hated president in U.S. history? on: July 19, 2017, 07:16:48 pm
I don't know about the most hated in history...

But at this point in his presidency, I could believe it being true, when compared to every other prez at this point in their terms.

He hasn't done much to reverse that feeling, btw.  He constantly makes flubs that could've been easily avoided.  It's not just that he isn't a politician--that he makes all these mistakes only because he's an outsider is a weak argument.

He also has hired the wrong people for certain key positions.  And many of the people speaking on his behalf come across as incredibly arrogant morons.  That doesn't help him to be less hated.

Also, no other president in history has been accused of colluding with a foreign government (not just any, but Russia) to win the election.  That's a serious accusation, that if true, is highly treasonous.  Every day, it seems like, there's something new to back up that accusation, and team Trump seems oblivious to it all.

(And before you "nothing burger" people start, yes there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence of collusion. That you refuse to see it does not make it less so.)
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump & Putin had undisclosed 2nd meeting at G20 on: July 18, 2017, 06:32:41 pm
"I don't recall..."
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Let's say Trump gets primaried... on: July 14, 2017, 11:42:01 am
The GOP base will never abandon their God-Emperor.
Deplorable and proud. Smiley

Proudly supporting a traitor? Alright then.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Haley: Trump told Putin 'we know you did it, and cut it out' on: July 11, 2017, 07:46:32 am
If Trump actually did say that, then kudos to him.

It contradicts what Trump himself has revealed about their meeting; but I've learned you can't believe anything he says, so....maybe Haley's version is the right one.

Trump standing up to Putin is exactly what I want, so if this really happened then I am pleased with the president.  I think that's the first time I've said that about anything so far during his administration.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What if Trump had won as a democrat? on: July 09, 2017, 06:46:01 pm
Republicans who love Trump right now would despise him were he a Democrat, and for the same reasons the Dems despise him now.

Of course, there would be some Democrats who would defend a Democrat Trump...but I genuinely believe it wouldn't be anywhere near the same level of defense that congressional Republicans are currently offering.  I highly doubt there would be a huge wave of Dems in this alternate reality betraying their own beliefs as there are a good 95% of GOPers betraying theirs.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump promises to protect election hacking as part of Russia tweetstorm on: July 09, 2017, 06:26:24 pm
All of our intelligence agencies confirm Russia hacked our election.

President Trump installs an "anti-hacking" security system with the help of Russia.

You can't make this up.  I am so scared and embarrassed for our country and its future.

But the Romans fell too.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What if Trump had won as a democrat? on: July 09, 2017, 06:23:26 pm
I forgot a few things.

Sexual assault remains sexual assault regardless of political party.

Saying you'll be dating a 10 year old girl in a few years is creepy regardless of party.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What if Trump had won as a democrat? on: July 09, 2017, 06:18:36 pm
I can't speak for other Dems, but I would not support him for the same reasons I do not support him now.

Demagoguery is demagoguery no matter the party; racism is still racism; sexism is still sexism; homophobia is still homophobia.

Treating Putin like as though he were a respected world leader is laughable and wrong no matter who is president.

Colluding with a foreign government to win an election is treason no matter the party.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: July 06, 2017, 07:26:41 am
If Trump's current disapproval ratings in each of the states listed are any indication of his 2020 performance, he'll be absolutely destroyed in the Northeast. The West isn't looking too good for him either. I'm curious how he'll perform in Utah; no doubt he'll win it, but by how much? And the fact that Alaska, Arizona, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, North Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin have an effectively equal disapproval of Trump is very interesting.

You also have to consider Russia's role in 2020.

They helped him win (barely) in 2016, and they will be back...especially since we aren't doing anything to stop them.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Why is there so much denial from one side about Russian election interference? on: July 05, 2017, 12:11:19 pm
I'm not talking about collusion, that's a separate issue (and a much more troubling one, if true).

But why are so many every day Republican voters so resistant to the idea that Russia assisted in electing Trump?

When all of our intelligence agencies have confirmed that it happened, and the former FBI director said it happened under oath. Yet here we still are today, and I hear my Republican friends and relatives denying it happened at all.

Is it because they just don't want to admit that their preferred candidate was also preferred by Russia? Or that they don't want to think that their preferred candidate was perhaps only elected due to cheating?

They used to love our intelligence agencies; now they doubt them or even hate them, and it seems like it's only because their guy possibly did something wrong, or was helped by a dictator.

Speaking of the dictator...back in the GOPs glory days, Reagan would've hated Putin.  It seems to me Republicans don't care much about patriotism or morals. They only care about winning by any means necessary.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump destroys CNN in new tweet on: July 03, 2017, 10:16:22 am
President Trump has just published a video showing him during WWE show and taking down another man, with CNN logo superimposed on that man's face. He is really at it and while some say it's not presidential, his message about this Fake News Network is loud, clear and foremost, CORRECT.

CORRECT, because we're going on assumptions and guesses rather than fact in this new world.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump used BLACKMAIL via Natl Enquirer, to extract silly apology from Mika/Joe on: July 03, 2017, 10:15:00 am
Some people, to this day, will not believe Hitler gassed Jews. The same doubts in 1945 exist in 2016 for the same reasons. Evidence and experience counts for nothing. Those who doubt despite all evidence opposing them are rightly ostracised. When this electoral nightmare is over, those who are of a similar, unbending mindset need to be ostracised.

Thank you!

They'll be unable to admit they're wrong though.  In their minds, they will always and forever be right.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump used BLACKMAIL via Natl Enquirer, to extract silly apology from Mika/Joe on: July 02, 2017, 04:01:37 pm

Two of the biggest Trump derangement syndrome sufferers write a hit piece against Trump in the Jeff Bezos blog, a publication notorious for its serial fake news stories attacking Trump. Do you have anything from a credible source.

Everything you people don't like is fake news.  That's the real derangement syndrome.
You do realise that the term 'fake news' was invented by leftists as a way of attacking right wing news outlets they didn't like. Then Trump and his supporters started pointing out that quite a few prominent left wing news outlets like the Jeff Bezos blog were regularly publishing blatantly false stories in order to attack Trump. They started to use the term 'fake news' against leftist news outlets and then suddenly the same people who came up with the term to use as a political tool suddenly wanted to drop it.

I'm not going to get into an argument about where the term "fake news" originated.  That's not even close to the discussion here, so I won't engage with you on that--I don't understand why you brought it up, unless it was to detract from the fact you just don't have a good counterargument for my point that you guys label everything as "fake news" if it isn't pro-Trump.

Is there is any legitimate piece of media or news that has reported facts about Trump which have been seen negatively that you do not consider to be fake news?
Plenty of people have a habit of labelling news stories they don't like as 'fake news' because they don't like the source, for example plenty of liberals are reacting exactly that way to the problem recent Project Veritas story. I'm pointing out that that kind of thing goes both ways.

There is no doubt that both sides have labeled certain new stories as fake news.  Sure, it happens sometimes in politics.  The difference here is that your side is labeling everything that you don't like as being fake news.  Your side has overused the label to the point it's just laughable and not seen even remotely as a valid defense against negative media.  Your leader literally labels entire organizations as fake.  Verifiable fact has been labeled as fake.  The president is a small man with no backbone who cannot justify his own statements and actions and therefore says that anything which suggests he might've done something wrong is fake; and that is absurd.  It can't all be fake with you guys.

Frankly I don't understand how you can be so oblivious to all the evidence that this is a cooked up political witch hunt. Obviously cooked up political witch hunts do happen and there is plenty of evidence that this is one of them. What exactly would it take for you to start to suspect that that is what's going on here?

Seriously. Let's look at the evidence. The FBI's total reliance on the dodgy Crowdstrike report and its complete failure to examine the DNC servers to verify any of Crowdstrike's claims. The reliance on a clearly fake dossier cooked up at the request of a Dem linked opposed research company. The ever expanding investigation run by a close friend of one of the key witnesses (in a total and clear conflict of interest) branching out in every direction because the original Trump/Russia interference/collusion story is falling apart for lack of credible evidence.

Seriously. At what point would you start to think 'this is looking less like evidence against Trump and more like evidence of a partisan witch hunt'. What would it take for you to start considering that possibility.

Where is the evidence (please link me a legitimate source) that indicates the Russian collusion accusation is a partisan witch hunt?  I am genuinely interested, because if it turns out that the Democrats have fabricated this entire story, then that is another discussion and one in which I will eat my own words.  I will not stand by a party that accuses the president (even one I do not like) of treason (because, if true, that's exactly what this is).  That's a serious accusation, and it's one that should not be made lightly as a means to score political points.  And if that's all this investigation is, it's clear that it hasn't gained the Dems anything yet--in fact, the opposite is more likely so far.

But if it turns out this entire Russia thing was just a made up story, thought up by some DNC hack, then yea, I will be dead set against that.  Until you enlighten me, though, I haven't seen any indication that this is only a partisan witch hunt.  I await your legitimately sourced evidence.

Now if it turns out someone in Trump's campaign DID collude with Russia, will you make the same concessions that I have and denounce such activities as treasonous and deserving of some kind of serious punishment?  And if the president knew about it (which would make him just as guilty), will you pledge to call for impeachment?

But anyway.....

--Team Trump have repeatedly denied ties to Russia and repeatedly been caught lying about their denials https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/trump-teams-many-many-denials-contacts-russia/98625780/

--Roger Stone had advanced knowledge of Russia's disclosure through WikiLeaks about Hillary's e-mails https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/767366825743097856?lang=en

--"We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia"--DJT, Jr. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/05/trump-lawyers-up-conflicts-of-interest/526185/

--Michael Flynn's repeated contacts with Russia https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/02/flynn-resigns-timeline/516594/

--Jeff Sessions forced to recuse himself from the investigation amid controversy and lies regarding his contacts with Russia https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/us/politics/jeff-sessions-russia-trump-investigation-democrats.html

--Jared Kushner's attempt to establish back channel communications between the White House and the Russian government http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/27/jared-kushner-russia-backchannel-protocol-238888

--Carter Page being linked as a central figure between Trump and Russia http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-advisor-carter-page-targeted-russian-spies/story?id=46557506....and monitored by the FBI, after they obtained a FISA warrant (which is incredibly difficult to obtain) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-obtained-fisa-warrant-to-monitor-former-trump-adviser-carter-page/2017/04/11/620192ea-1e0e-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html?utm_term=.0767390cf006

--Not to mention Trump's ridiculous and repeated defense/praise of Putin, who is a dictator willing to murder his own people http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/

There are more, but I haven't the time right now to keep posting.  And any one of these would be cause for concern, though not necessarily damning; but when you put them all together you have cause for a serious and thorough investigation--because stacked together along with the knowledge of the fact that Russia did influence the election to favor Trump, it points to something nefarious having occurred.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump used BLACKMAIL via Natl Enquirer, to extract silly apology from Mika/Joe on: July 01, 2017, 01:53:08 pm

Two of the biggest Trump derangement syndrome sufferers write a hit piece against Trump in the Jeff Bezos blog, a publication notorious for its serial fake news stories attacking Trump. Do you have anything from a credible source.

Everything you people don't like is fake news.  That's the real derangement syndrome.
You do realise that the term 'fake news' was invented by leftists as a way of attacking right wing news outlets they didn't like. Then Trump and his supporters started pointing out that quite a few prominent left wing news outlets like the Jeff Bezos blog were regularly publishing blatantly false stories in order to attack Trump. They started to use the term 'fake news' against leftist news outlets and then suddenly the same people who came up with the term to use as a political tool suddenly wanted to drop it.

I'm not going to get into an argument about where the term "fake news" originated.  That's not even close to the discussion here, so I won't engage with you on that--I don't understand why you brought it up, unless it was to detract from the fact you just don't have a good counterargument for my point that you guys label everything as "fake news" if it isn't pro-Trump.

Is there is any legitimate piece of media or news that has reported facts about Trump which have been seen negatively that you do not consider to be fake news?

You guys sacrifice all of your values just to stand behind your candidate.  Pre-Trump, Russian interference in our elections (and especailly a candidate allegedly colluding with Russia) would have infuriated Republicans (rightfully so).  Republicans used to praise our intelligence agencies; but now that every one of them have confirmed that Russian interference to favor one candidate did indeed occur, Republicans are still out there denying it--or brushing it off as no big deal.  Whether Trump's campaign colluded or not, there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an investigation--and Trump supporters are calling it a witch hunt.  Even though they would (rightfully so) be calling for Hillary's resignation (or worse) if she were elected and then all of the same circumstantial evidence started popping up that she colluded with Russia--Republicans would be in an uproar (rightfully so).

If a tape of Hillary Clinton leaked where she bragged about groping men and sexual assault, Republicans wouldn't be calling it locker room talk--they would be demanding justice.  But when Trump's pussy-grabbing tape leaks, they brush it aside.

Republicans are still up in arms about Hillary's e-mails yet excuse the president when he literally leaks classified information to the Russians.

When Trump fires people who are investigating possible Russian collusion, Republicans say it's impossible for the president to obstruct justice.  Yet when they went after Bill Clinton, one of the reasons was obstruction of justice.  If President Hillary Clinton fired Comey and later admitted the reason was because he was looking into her e-mails, Republicans would (rightfully so) be screaming at the top of their lungs about obstruction of justice.

I don't understand how you guys can be so oblivious to corruption of this scale.  I understand politics.  But you gotta put your politics aside when there's even a HINT of something so treacherous as cheating your way into office by working with a foreign government.  A hint that President Hillary tried that, and I would be calling for a full investigation into her dealings with said foreign government, and yelling for impeachment when any of it turned out to be true.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump used BLACKMAIL via Natl Enquirer, to extract silly apology from Mika/Joe on: July 01, 2017, 06:16:44 am
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Friday morning in an op-ed in the Washington Post, Morning Joe co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski disclosed that White House officials offered to spike an Enquirer story about their romance if the pair apologized to Trump for the show’s critical coverage.

In recent months, Scarborough and Brzezinski have questioned Trump’s mental state and fitness for office. They elaborated on the op-ed on MSNBC this morning. Morning Joe regular Donny Deutsch said it was “blackmail” for Trump to use a hit-piece in the Enquirer to extract an apology from media critics.

In mid-April, Scarborough texted with Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, about the pending Enquirer story. Kushner told Scarborough that he would need to personally apologize to Trump in exchange for getting Enquirer owner David Pecker to stop the story.
 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-really-happened-between-donald-trump-the-hosts-of-morning-joe-and-the-national-enquirer/ar-BBDuPKl?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout


I don't know about you guys, but this kind of blackmail makes me think that there is MORE of a chance that this creepy administration, INCLUDING TRUMP, may have colluded with Russia regarding the election.

You can also watch the video, of today's (June 30th) Morning Joe show, where Joe and Mika talk about the details of what transpired. Use the link above, to see the video.
Two of the biggest Trump derangement syndrome sufferers write a hit piece against Trump in the Jeff Bezos blog, a publication notorious for its serial fake news stories attacking Trump. Do you have anything from a credible source.

Everything you people don't like is fake news.  That's the real derangement syndrome.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kennedy retires, Roe is overruled then what? on: June 28, 2017, 08:51:06 am
If they overturn Roe v. Wade, and reverse their gay marriage decision, then I think that would really be the straw that broke the camel's back. If done prior to 2018 midterms, then it'll be a Dem wave. Prior to 2020, a Dem EV win.
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