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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump and the African American vote on: Today at 11:49:06 am
I can tell you this, and with absolute certainty...Donald J. Trump will win 95% of the black vote in 2020.

Guaranteed. I promise you. And the reason is because Trump produces. He has a very tremendous relationship with the blacks. Big league.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Gianforte's win encourage future acts of violence by Republican candidates? on: Today at 08:31:52 am
It wasn't really that comfortable of a win.

Yes, 7%....but it should've been A LOT more than that.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pope Francis gave Trump a 192-page letter he wrote on climate change ! on: May 25, 2017, 11:30:25 am
Didn't Trump call the pope some tremendously nasty, nasty names?
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CNN: Hillary Clinton's 'email' problem was bigger than anyone realized on: May 25, 2017, 08:40:31 am
Good. So people cared.

If people had cared, they wouldn't have voted for someone with a fascination for dictators.

There was only one major party candidate with any sort of qualifications to actually, ya know, lead.  And she didn't win.  So your point is invalid.
Elected officials are not employees. "Qualifications" are secondary to ideology.

What Trump said during the campaign was what most of us believe.

Actually, you're wrong again.

Elected officials are our employees, and "most of us" do NOT believe what Trump said during the campaign.  In fact, about 3 million more of us didn't agree with what he said.  He wasn't elected by the people; he was elected by the system.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CNN: Hillary Clinton's 'email' problem was bigger than anyone realized on: May 24, 2017, 06:53:31 pm
Good. So people cared.

If people had cared, they wouldn't have voted for someone with a fascination for dictators.

There was only one major party candidate with any sort of qualifications to actually, ya know, lead.  And she didn't win.  So your point is invalid.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 2.0 on: May 24, 2017, 06:23:03 pm
Fox News (May 21st - May 23rd)

Approve: 40%
Disapprove: 53%

Strongly approve: 28%
Somewhat approve: 12%
Somewhat disapprove: 8%
Strongly disapprove: 46%
(Donít know): 7%

I wonder how Fox spun this.

Is it a fake poll?
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Policies in a post-Trump era (the next 25 years) on: May 24, 2017, 10:53:30 am
The next few presidents will be doing a course correct. Trump will have almost no lasting policies.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump lawyers up (more, with more Russia). on: May 24, 2017, 10:29:11 am
Guys, we can't afford to have a president who is under investigation.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Carrier plant that Trump "saved" will lay off hundreds right before Christmas on: May 24, 2017, 08:00:57 am
I'm so bored of all this winning.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump supporters: Does the president show good judgement? on: May 24, 2017, 07:58:57 am
Hello? Anyone?

Not even an obligatory "But Clinton....!" post? Huh

I suspect there's been no response because there is no defense without deflecting attention onto somebody else.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Trump saying "radical Islam" helping? on: May 24, 2017, 07:54:23 am
There is clearly problem with the religion. It should be reformed or destroyed.


That's why 'islamic' or 'islam' are the only terms that should be used when describing this phenomenon.

Um, no.

The extremism does not define the religion.

Do Catholic priests molesting children define Catholicism?

Did the Crusades define Christianity?
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Trump saying "radical Islam" helping? on: May 24, 2017, 05:00:10 am
Didn't he defeat them in 30 days after taking office?

Wasn't he supposed to do that?
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Trump supporters: Does the president show good judgement? on: May 23, 2017, 06:51:17 pm
He said Hillary didn't have the stamina to be president; his staff said he's exhausted after a couple of days abroad.

He was warned by both sides not to hire Flynn and Flynn himself told the president that he was under investigation; he hired him anyway and reportedly wants Flynn back in the White House.

He told the Russians that firing Comey took the pressure off him over the collusion investigation; the pressure has increased.

He said Saudi Arabia was behind the 9/11 attacks, then he sold them weapons.

He falsely claimed Obama was not a citizen and then retracted his claim years later.

He told voters he'd have no time for golf because he'd be too busy working for the people; he's spent WAY more time golfing than Obama had at this point in his term.

He said that executive orders were bad, and has now signed more of them in his first 100 days than Obama did.

Admitted that health care is a lot more complicated an issue than he realized.

Admitted that the presidency was more work than he thought it would be.

Claimed, with no source of any kind, that he knows more than our generals know.

His 3 a.m. tweets.......


Can any of his supporters agree with most of America that President Trump at the very least shows an extreme lack of knowledge on several key issues, thus leading to poor decision making and many broken or stalled campaign promises?  Will any of you admit to being even a little disappointed over how much he boasted during the campaign compared to what little he actually seems to know on any given issue now that he's president?  Don't respond with the excuse of "but Obama did x," or "Bush did x."  Don't make up excuses; give an honest defense of the man.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: PPP-National: Trump getting Blanched on: May 23, 2017, 06:30:16 pm
sh**t. What are we gonna do with the election coming up this week!??

Means nothing. And we've seen how accurate these "polls" are. After 2016 you guys need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
What polls were inaccurate? The nationwide polls had HRC winning which she did in pure vote but that's not how presidents are chosen. Polls showed the race tightening within the margin of error in the Mid West but they hadn't gone for Republicans in a generation so some let history decide how they felt about that for them. Not saying these polls are accurate of 2020 because that is three and a half years away but the questioning of the integrity of polls are not warranted. Even those who gave Hillary an 80 percent chance of winning indirectly acknowledged that Trump had 20 percent. 10 elections could be held  and 8 out of 10 times HRC would win. November 8 just happened to be one of the 2 remaining that favored Trump.

Exactly. There were also polls at the end of the campaign showing Michigan, PA, and Wisconsin very close.  Which they were.

The polls were right.  Hillary won the most votes, and the states that were supposed to be close calls were just that.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo: Trump asked intelligence chiefs to push back against FBI collusion probe on: May 23, 2017, 12:20:12 pm
At this point, if these stories are true, this is definitely obstruction of justice. The precedent if nothing happens will be devastating for the rule of law.

How exactly is this obstruction of justice? As has been confirmed many times no one has so far found any evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the election. If Trump had been asking these people to say something that was untrue you could argue that that was untrue. Trump is literally the CEO of the executive branch of the US government. How exactly is it obstruction for him to ask two of his subordinates to make a true statement in public?

Are you serious or joking? It's hard to tell anymore.

Anyway, they aren't his subordinates and he's not the "CEO" of the country because this is not (yet) a fascist country.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Is Trump saying "radical Islam" helping? on: May 23, 2017, 08:23:40 am
Just wondering because it doesn't seem to have made any difference at all.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo: Trump asked intelligence chiefs to push back against FBI collusion probe on: May 22, 2017, 08:06:03 pm
If Congress does not act, then any future obstruction charge placed against a president cannot stand. If/when there comes a time where a sitting Democratic president is guilty of similar charges, Congress cannot act on it if they do not do anything to Trump now.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 2.0 on: May 22, 2017, 04:41:31 pm
What has he done for those low-income, low-information voters that he gulled in November?

True, but those same voters will happily back him in 2020.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Students walk out of Pence speech on: May 22, 2017, 01:03:22 pm
Kind of stupid. Pence hasn't said anything racist, egregious (wasn't gay electrocution therapy years ago?), or the sort. He's also fairly standard as a Republican vice president.

This is a bit snowflakey.

He supports the right of businesses to deny services to gays, and believes that gays and non-Christians can't go to Heaven. Even Trump isn't that bad.

This why all the omgzlefties around here need to realize a President Pence isn't what you want.

I'd take Pence over Trump any day.

I don't agree with him politically but I won't go to sleep each night wondering if his early morning tweets will start a war.  And there likely wouldn't be a barrage of scandals coming out daily.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If Trump's presidency was to be ranked now, where would he be? on: May 22, 2017, 12:57:58 pm
At the top of course. Number one, and it isnít even close. I mean, first of all, he was supposed to lose the election, but he won it big league. The knocked off 16 other candidates and then beat Crooked Hillary by 306 electoral votes. 306! The biggest since Reagan! He won by tremendous numbers in places that no other Republican had a chance to win. And the winning just continued after taking office. Right before the largest crowd in history. By far the largest in any inauguration. Nobody has ever seen anything like that. And then he just had the most successful first 100 days in history. There was no more active president in the history of the world. Only the fake media tries to undermine his unbelievable success by reporting fake news all over the place because they canít handle all the winning on trade, the border, jobs, terrorism and healthcare. And this is just the start. Even by the end of four years, the American people will be sick and tired of all the winning. And Trump will be the most successful leader in world history. Nobody will come close. Believe me.

Best. Post. Ever.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: AP: Flynn to decline Senate Intel subpoena, will inovke the 5th later today on: May 22, 2017, 12:55:31 pm
I'd rather the faucet be turned on full blast to wash away the grime once and for all.

The grime from Crooked Trump and embarrassment of an administration won't wash off so easily, I'm afraid.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Students walk out of Pence speech on: May 22, 2017, 08:05:56 am
Who care?  I guarantee them Pence didn't.

Probably Trump.  He's the world's largest snowflake.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeb Bush on: May 22, 2017, 07:54:57 am
On a serious note, having Jeb in the White House over Trump or Pence is a total wet dream right about now.

Screw PNAC founders.

Compared to Trump or Pence?  Jeb is a saint.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would you vote for IRV if these were your options? on: May 22, 2017, 07:52:18 am
Republicans:
Fmr. Gov. John Kasich
Sen. Rand Paul

Democrats:
Fmr. VP Joe Biden
Mayor Bill de Blasio
Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto
Fmr. Gov. John Bel Edwards
Sen. Al Franken
Sen. Kamala Harris
Gov. Philip Murphy
Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Sen. Ron Wyden

I didn't place them in any kind of order.

I'd prefer Biden, Kasich, or Franken.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2020 Trump votes at 40% or less maps on: May 21, 2017, 04:59:38 pm
If Trump is right at or around 40%:



Dem: 289 (of course, this depends on the candidate more than anything)
Trump: 249


If Trump is at or around 30%:



Dem: 351
Trump: 187


If Trump is anywhere in the 20% range:



Dem: 456 (give or take a Dakota or two; maybe Mississippi and/or Kansas)
Trump: 82

Oops, I misread the OP and made maps of Trump's approval rather than the vote count. Ah well.
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