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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will Donald Trump's farewell speech look like if he loses in 2020? on: January 12, 2017, 06:14:21 am
Why would he lose? He's Putin's guy--he's already a shoo-in.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / If the taxpayer funds the wall, and Mexico never pays us back..... on: January 06, 2017, 09:16:17 am
How will Trump voters react in 2020?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/index.html

My guess is they won't care.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: President Trump vs. Sen. Elizabeth Warren on: January 03, 2017, 07:47:54 pm
Scenario 1 (successful Trump)



Scenario 2 (unpopular Trump)



Scenario 3

4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would a Trump vs Hillary Vs Sanders as third party election have turned out on: January 03, 2017, 07:37:07 pm
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What were the most affluent counties that Trump won? on: January 01, 2017, 08:51:26 am
Forsyth County, GA, Montgomery County, TX, Calvert County and St Mary's County, MD, just to name a few.

Forsyth County isn't that affluent. Trust me.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Coup and counter coup? on: December 31, 2016, 08:48:52 am
As a former Republican (I voted for George W. and McCain, then switched to Johnson in 2012), I can say with all certainty that I will never vote for anyone in the party again, for any office.  The ship has sunk.

I will never be able to accept the FACT that our new Republican president is a friend to the Kremlin (essentially a Russian puppet IMO), a lying cheat, someone who openly pokes fun of the disabled, and a pervert...nor can I accept that so many people I once respected seem okay with all of these things--yet we all know (and they do too, deep down) that they would be screaming if you could say the same of Hillary or any random Democratic contender.

At a certain point you have to draw the line and stand by some actual principals.  Not just vote for someone because they're in your party.  Anyone who genuinely likes Trump has no principals.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Coup and counter coup? on: December 29, 2016, 07:32:03 pm
Russia helped elect Donald Trump.

There is evidence that has been supported by the FBI and CIA.

It happened.  Your guy won because *RUSSIA* helped him win.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was anyone surprised by North Carolina? on: December 27, 2016, 11:54:45 am
Russia happened.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would you have felt if Chris Christie had won the presidency? on: December 18, 2016, 01:38:28 pm
Better than after Trump bought his election win.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will there even be an election in 2020? on: December 18, 2016, 09:30:04 am
We are Nazi Germany in 1933.

While I still think there will be an election, I can buy it just being a formality.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Were the exit polls really that favorable to Hillary? on: December 18, 2016, 09:27:48 am
I might have missed some, but the exit polls I saw in the afternoon showed overwhelmingly Americans chose "Strong Leader" as their #1 preference. I assumed that favored Trump.

Also, 46% said move in a "more conservative" direction. 46% isn't a majority, but a helluva good amount.

I actually was somewhat optimistic about those exit polls. Granted, those were the only ones I read before taking a nap and then turning on TV to watch results.

You're deranged if you think Trump will be a strong leader.  He can't even handle Saturday Night Live.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How much of vote was in in Ohio when you knew trump had the state won? on: December 18, 2016, 09:23:13 am
0%

For one thing, Trump paid Russia to hack the results, so any actual votes didn't matter.

Still, the polls almost always showed Trump leading the state.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would have been in a Clinton Cabinet? on: December 18, 2016, 09:21:23 am
People with experience and education and respectability.

People who aren't racists.
14  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Will Trump be able to handle the tough scrutiny of the Presidency? on: December 18, 2016, 09:19:49 am
He couldn't handle criticism during the campaign. He can't handle criticism while president-elect. He won't be able to handle it while in office (er....while he's lounging around in New York wasting taxpayer money rather than living in the friggin White House).
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could the Russiagate convince the Electoral College not to vote for Trump? on: December 18, 2016, 09:15:27 am
No. Its not even a controversy.

Are you joking?

I agree it won't affect their vote, but the implication that Russia essentially had Trump elected is a huge deal.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What happens if.. on: December 14, 2016, 11:00:14 pm
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-officials-putin-personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What happens if.. on: December 14, 2016, 10:57:48 pm
It's going to be bad if it is shown to be true.  But "helping Trump win", what does that mean?  What, specifically, does "helping" mean in this situation?

Putin's strategy comes from the book Foundations Of Geopolitics by the ultra right wing political theorist Aleksandr Dugin. Dugin writes of the way Russia can essentially conquer the world. He says that America can never really be defeated, but that Russia should foment racist and isolationist politics to keep the country divided and to make it recede as a world power. Trump's candidacy must have seemed like a gift from God.
And FWIW, the plan for the UK was to separate it from the EU.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: uit being bitter. on: December 14, 2016, 10:54:15 pm
IF it happened it'd be war because there is no legit reason for the electors not to vote for Trump.

Legit reason #1: It is their duty, and main reason for being, to deny the presidency to a would-be dictator.

Legit reason #2: Russia and James Comey elected Trump; not the American people.

We won.

You lost.

Quit being bitter.

You won because Russia hacked our election.

You lost by nearly 3 million votes.

But anyway, the two reasons I listed are valid and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

You are the one who made the accusation, so, with all due respect, it is up to you to prove the alleged Russian hacking made Trump the winner.

The onus of proof is on the plaintiff.

And I have never doubted the popular vote win by the Democrats.

I'll go with our own intelligence services reporting the Russian hacking. I'm just a lowly citizen who is not privy to whatever information they have, but given that they say there is a high level of confidence that something happened, and how it was brought up throughout the campaign, I believe it.  If it's true, and if Trump or anyone in his campaign knew, they should be tried for treason.

So why do you doubt the credibility of our intelligence agencies?
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Clinton lost Michigan - and blew the election on: December 14, 2016, 12:54:57 pm
The election wasn't a referendum on the American Jobs Act or the Miners Protection Act. It was between Clinton and Trump. Clinton's case was that Trump shouldn't be president because he called a Hispanic lady fat. Maybe she should have campaigned more on jobs and health care for miners.

That was Clinton's case? Um, no.

Did you pay attention at all during the campaign?
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Clinton lost Michigan - and blew the election on: December 14, 2016, 10:21:10 am
If she had won Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania then she would have won the election.

She lost each state by about 1% (or in Michigan's case, much less than).

We know that Russia had some level of interference in our election.  Factor #1.

James Comey, by coming out with the whole case reopening business when there was absolutely nothing to be found--all for partisan reasons--is what cost Hillary the election.

If Comey hadn't betrayed his service by interfering with the election, then that 1% she lost by would have no doubt swung her way.  We know that late deciders went to Trump; they would have been to Clinton if not for James Comey.

I'll buy that Trump was doing better in these states than expected.  I don't buy that it was the Clinton camp's fault she lost--outside forces cost her the election.

Trump won only by a cheat and hack of the system.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: PPP - 2020 Democratic Primary Poll: Biden 31%, Sanders 24%, Warren 16% on: December 13, 2016, 11:41:12 am
Doesn't matter.  Russia hacked the results of one election and they'll do it again in the next one.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: uit being bitter. on: December 12, 2016, 10:19:43 pm
IF it happened it'd be war because there is no legit reason for the electors not to vote for Trump.

Legit reason #1: It is their duty, and main reason for being, to deny the presidency to a would-be dictator.

Legit reason #2: Russia and James Comey elected Trump; not the American people.

We won.

You lost.

Quit being bitter.

You won because Russia hacked our election.

You lost by nearly 3 million votes.

But anyway, the two reasons I listed are valid and I challenge you to prove otherwise.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton campaign supports intelligence briefings for the EC on: December 12, 2016, 08:01:51 pm
Anyone who doesn't think that we should be investigating any potential Russian hack of our election, after the friggin CIA just confirmed that there was some kind of interference, is quite simply un-American.

I don't care who you support.  Tampering with our election by a foreign entity is something every single one of us should want investigated.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If the electoral college were to vote in Hillary Clinton... on: December 12, 2016, 07:56:46 pm
IF it happened it'd be war because there is no legit reason for the electors not to vote for Trump.

Legit reason #1: It is their duty, and main reason for being, to deny the presidency to a would-be dictator.

Legit reason #2: Russia and James Comey elected Trump; not the American people.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Chris Evans on: December 12, 2016, 07:50:16 pm
I would vote for a broom before I'd vote for Donald Trump, so yes I would vote for Captain America.
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