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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Make a map where Johnson hits 270 on: July 23, 2016, 11:17:31 pm
IIRC Georgia has been a strong libertarian state in the past - that hasn't been featured in any of the maps thus far.

We are a big Libertarian state. If Johnson were to get to 270, GA would be one to help him.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeb Bush to Endorse Gary Johnson Next Week? on: July 23, 2016, 11:24:42 am
A Jeb endorsement would generate media buzz which would most likely translate into higher poll numbers.

He's already at roughly 10% in many polls. If he gets to 15% or more he's in the debates. And then his numbers will only rise even more.

Voters are already dissatisfied with both major party options.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Would Fund Super PACs to Defeat Cruz, Kasich on: July 23, 2016, 09:52:27 am
Who else silenced his political rivals?

Who was that?

Could it be.........

HITLER!
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeb Bush to Endorse Gary Johnson Next Week? on: July 23, 2016, 09:51:17 am
Love it, still will vote for Hillary because he won't win and it'll help ensure that Trump loses.

This.

I would love to vote for Gary again, but with Trump being the GOP nominee, I have to back Clinton to make sure the reincarnated Hitler doesn't win.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's nomination is the first time US politics has left me truly afraid on: July 21, 2016, 10:30:12 pm
I'm afraid because Trump has absolutely no qualifications to be president. He has no idea what he's doing.

That's a legitimate concern. Calling Trump a fascist because you support the other candidate is not its just juvenile and distracting.

No one is calling Trump a fascist simply due to their support for his opponent.

They're calling Trump a fascist because he is literally campaigning as one.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's nomination is the first time US politics has left me truly afraid on: July 21, 2016, 10:27:33 pm
Fascism has reached our shores. You have to be a monumental idiot not to see it.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Lyin' Ted endorse Trump tonight? on: July 21, 2016, 12:29:20 am

I find this hard to believe. If he had known, why on earth would be still allow him to speak? He would have to have known the negative media attention this would cause him.

Trump seems to think all publicity is good publicity.  It gets people talking about the convention.  And, to some, makes Trump look like a soothsayer - Lyin' Ted sounds accurate - he broke his pledge.  And if he's right about Lyin' Ted, is he also right about Crooked Hillary?

I think that's a stretch of a connection though. I highly doubt this will be viewed as anything but negatively on Trump's behalf.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Lyin' Ted endorse Trump tonight? on: July 21, 2016, 12:23:16 am

I find this hard to believe. If he had known, why on earth would be still allow him to speak? He would have to have known the negative media attention this would cause him.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will Ted Cruz vote for in November? on: July 20, 2016, 11:51:14 pm
Johnson
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / What will be the response from voters after the RNC? on: July 20, 2016, 11:50:21 pm
From the blatant plagiarism in Melania's speech, to Cruz punking Trump at his own convention...not to mention whatever else happens in the next two days...what do you think will be the general response and feel of voters?

Will there be any convention bounce at all at this point?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump win in a landslide? on: July 20, 2016, 10:35:45 pm
There's no chance he'd win in a landslide, and only a small chance that he'll win at all.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Lyin' Ted endorse Trump tonight? on: July 20, 2016, 10:34:45 pm
I was wrong. Not sure if it was the smartest thing for him to do for 2020, but I guess he couldn't embrace Trump.
Endorsing trump could have easily made him labeled a sellout in future elections and weaken the idea that he's a fighter.

It would have for me. I won't support anyone in the future who is backing Trump in this election.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of Ted Cruz's convention speech on: July 20, 2016, 10:29:13 pm
No one seems to think that the nominee in 2020 will be Donald Trump.
Anyway, I think Ted Cruz simply refuses to be a phony. 


You can "not be a phony" and meet the minimum "I'm voting for the ticket." requirement of party loyalty.  I could care less personally as to whether or not Cruz endorses Trump, because Trump's campaign is less endorsement-dependent than any campaign I have ever seen.  But as a prognosticator (to the degree that I can call myself that), Cruz made a HUGE error.  The "vote your conscience" mantra hurts Republicans other than Trump, and that is not lost on Republican regulars whose partisanship is not singular.  Cruz went about this all wrong, and he's going to pay a huge price.

Being loyal to a party rather than your own beliefs is being a phony.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's feud with Kasich loses him top staff in Ohio on: July 20, 2016, 10:27:59 pm
Kasich is a guy who needs to get over himself and get on the Trump Train.  He could credibly do it, and he'll be blamed for Ohio going for Clinton if he doesn't do it soon.

No way. Good for him for standing by his convictions and not selling out like the other fakes in the GOP.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of Ted Cruz's convention speech on: July 20, 2016, 10:22:07 pm
Trump's convention has been a disaster so far.

I didn't like Cruz before, and I still don't, but I admire that he's sticking by his principles by not faking support for Trump like most of these other sell out Republicans (ahem Rubio, Ryan, McConnell ahem).
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump offered to basically make Kasich president, Trump lead cheerleader on: July 20, 2016, 11:00:48 am
That report is absolutely ridiculous, besides being a joke.

For one thing, it is unconstitutional.

Surely even Trump and his campaign have a better understanding of the constitution than that.

And since when would Trump ever give up any power or control over anything?

Nearly every one of Trump's ideas are unconstitutional, so what does it matter?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton: Joining A Gang Is Like Having A Family on: July 18, 2016, 05:57:04 pm
What I mean is that, when you think 'gang-bangers', you don't think 'these people are awful because of their politics', which you do think with the KKK and Neo-Nazis.
Gang bangers are awful because they are actually causing crime, dealing drugs and killing people.

To intimate that the KKK, Neo-Nazis are somehow welcomed members of the Republican Party is ridiculous.

Both are equally as odious.

You didn't answer my question.

How do you feel about Trump being supported by American Nazis, and prominent figures within the KKK?

However dumb an argument you claim that is, it should say something that these two groups overwhelmingly support your candidate. You should look at what issues are causing them to flock to Donald Trump, and ask yourself if you really want to be in favor of those same issues.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton: Joining A Gang Is Like Having A Family on: July 18, 2016, 03:41:49 pm
I forgot to mention:

How do you feel about Trump's overwhelming support from KKK members, and Neo-Nazis?
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton: Joining A Gang Is Like Having A Family on: July 18, 2016, 03:41:03 pm

So if this is how you react to Hillary's comment on gangs...how do you react to Trump's comments on "the blacks?"

Or "the gays?"

Or how Mexicans are rapists and murderers?

Or how he might consider a forced government registration of all Muslims in the country?

Or how he WILL order torture on prisoners of war?  Oh, and how he'll order the murders of the innocent family members of our enemies (including children, infants, women, the elderly)?

If this was a Trump quote, you'd have no problem with it.

Just like Trump supporters have no problem with Trump's infidelities, his three marriages, the accusations against him of rape...yet ridicule Bill Clinton for doing more or less the same things (though I don't recall any allegations of raping a 13 year old girl against Bill).

As one former Republican, and current Republican-leaning independent, I have to say: get your head out of your a$$. Donald Trump has you (and the GOP) completely fooled. It's going to end in the party's defeat in November, and permanent downfall. Way to go.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton VP news LATEST: Politico: Clinton to announce her pick on Friday in FL on: July 18, 2016, 03:33:19 pm
All very true. But you're missing the "first, do no harm" part of any VP pick.

Now, I am very far left, but to me picking Kaine signals that Clinton plans to run (and govern) as Republican lite. Even moreso than Obama.

That is pretty unacceptable to me and raises my chances of staying home or "throwing away my vote" astronomically, even if it may mean Trump winning. If significant numbers of likely voters share me views on this Kaine becomes a risky pick.

Not voting for Clinton is a vote for Trump. I respect your feelings on this, and I share them in a way. But you have to realize it's going to be either her or Trump; no matter how well a third party *might* do, it will not be enough to win. So would you rather have her or him?

Clinton is not a perfect candidate, and she is not the most ideal choice for president. But she is leagues beyond Trump.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary needs to stop bashing Trump on: July 17, 2016, 05:39:45 pm
She has to keep attacking him. He's not going to stop bashing her, she's got to fight back and counter his attacks with her own.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans.......... on: July 17, 2016, 05:38:47 pm

The Pubs had no chance with any of those other candidates running.


You must be joking.

Did you see ANY of the matchup polls between Hillary and the others vs Hillary vs Donald?

Rubio and Kasich had a clear advantage. Even Cruz.

Trump always performed the worst against Clinton.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans.......... on: July 17, 2016, 03:00:22 pm
No.  And that doesn't make me a RINO or any less of a Republican than anyone else.

I'm not becoming a Democrat, either LOL.  Ever.

Republicans are never going to win another presidential election. Ever.


If they continue with people like Trump, I think you're right.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans.......... on: July 17, 2016, 01:08:29 pm
I'm not a Republican, but I side with them more often than Democrats.

I'm voting Hillary this November.

Trump is far more dangerous, and anyone who cannot see this is incredibly blind and ignorant.

Or, perhaps, you are blinded by your hatred of his style and not thinking straight about substance.


What substance?

His entire campaign has been nothing but one racist blunder after another. If that's the substance you mean, then I'm afraid you're the one who is blind.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election Predictions / Re: 2016 Presidential Predictions (General) on: July 17, 2016, 10:29:25 am


Clinton: 200
Trump: 142
Toss-up: 196




Clinton: 358
Trump: 180
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