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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of MW Speaker LeBron FitzGerald (Addressing the Gun Crisis) on: August 22, 2014, 11:17:38 pm
A friendly question for the Governor-elect from another region: what do you project will be the economic impact of banning what is, nationally, a $23 billion industry, from your region?
We're not flat-out going to ban guns. People can still legally purchase guns and own them as the Constitution states, just there are some additional regulations in this bill. The only side-effects are that this will cause less revenue to be brought in and there would be some gun businesses that would move elsewhere, but our regional economy is in great shape nonetheless. It's nothing to worry about.

Gun violence itself causes $2.3 billion in economic damage per year, so economically, there is a loss in revenue either way. When I take this issue on, I consider the social aspects of it much more, which should be the case.

I'm aware that you are not banning guns. I'm referring to your proposal that appears to eliminate the hunting industry.

What about trapping and archery?
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of JCL on: August 22, 2014, 10:45:06 pm
Looks like the some of the other candidates are getting into a mud fight of dirty politicking. That's sad. Can we get this back to an issues focused election. And for the love of all that is good lets be civil and have fun. Otherwise this game will be no fun and eventually go the way of the pre-flood dinosaur.

You know it was an meteorite?

That's what the evolutionist would say. I as a creationist would say that the dinos went out with Flood.

Or any other kind of scientist.

BTW, did God literally stop the sun in the sky? Because that would have no effect on the length of the day.

Yes, God literally did. The account in The Book of Joshua has been scientifically proven to have happened. NASA proved that years ago. 

Oh, right, the National Anti-Science Association. I remember that study.

Can we quit with the "calling people of faith anti-science line" please. As a kid (after I had come to faith in Jesus) I had a serious interest in several scientific realms. Meteorology and Astronomy mainly. It's part of why I hold a somewhat left-libertarian position on environmental issues.

I'm not equating religion with opposition to science. I'm equating stating that the sun goes around the earth (which is what agreeing with the Biblical account is tantamount to) is unscientific.

Can we get a response to this?

The Bible does not agree with the geocentric model.

So this is what makes you "center" right? Accepting that the Earth revolves around the Sun?
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August Senate Election. Tracker/Discussion Thread. ELECTION TRACKER-BICAMERALISM on: August 22, 2014, 08:07:17 pm
Quota = 9

1. The first count looks like this:

8 - Deus
8 - Polnut
7 - Lumine
7 - JCL
6 - Alfred
6 - Dr. Cynic
3 - Bacon King
2 - GA Worth
1 - Mechaman
1 - Poirot

2. Poirot and Mechaman are eliminated (+1 Polnut, +1 AJ).
3. Polnut meets quota; elected.
4. GAWorth is eliminated (+1 Dr. Cynic, +1 AJ).
5. Bacon King is eliminated (+1 AJ, +1 JCL, +1 exhausted)

6. The final count looks like this:

✓ 9 - Polnut
✓ 9 - Alfred
8 - Deus
8 - JCL
7 - Lumine
7 - Dr. Cynic

1 - exhausted
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of International Affairs on: August 22, 2014, 07:09:27 pm

The Central Intelligence Agency has detected an unusual increase in communications among members of the left-wing paramilitary group Reality or Nothing and its affiliates. Reality or Nothing is best known for claiming responsibility for the 2011 bombing of Global Treaty Organization Headquarters.

The recent increase in communications began on Tuesday following the release of an incendiary online message from extremist leader Al Realpolitik, also known as "Brother Sibboleth," who is reportedly living in exile.

No specific targets have been identified at this time, but Atlasian citizens should be aware of an increased risk of terrorist activity.
5  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Kate Bush on: August 22, 2014, 05:33:18 pm
Hounds of Love is one of the best albums of its time, and her version of "Rocket Man" is better than Elton John's original. FF.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Enderman on: August 22, 2014, 05:23:10 pm
How was Senator Tsongas' extramarital affair discovered? And what did Governor Dukakis say about it?
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge for ALS goes awry; 2 injured, 4500 without power on: August 22, 2014, 05:14:28 pm
In part, it's a matter of self-control and how involved you are with social media.

I've watched three videos. The first was a friend, the second was the mayor of the city that I live in, and the third was someone who had recently been diagnosed with ALS who also spent a few minutes talking about the disease and how it had affected his family. The first came from Facebook, the latter two from Twitter.

That's enough for me, so I've stopped clicking the links or pausing to watch what shows up on my feeds. But I wouldn't feel bothered if I inadvertently watched a clip, and I don't mind if people continue to talk about it. Why would I?
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best College Town In The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) (Final) on: August 22, 2014, 05:04:42 pm
Cuse was named the best party school in America. So, I'll take Cuse.

Not a wise choice, unless you're an elevated highway enthusiast or a connoisseur of empty lots.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Al Realpolitik Institute of Sulfur Mining & Extraction on: August 22, 2014, 04:52:34 pm
Worst of all Snowstalker is not a literal baby, his ability to post on an Internet forum proves that he is not an infant.

May we never forget how lucky we are to post on a forum where such keen observers of human behavior share their insights.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club on: August 22, 2014, 11:00:07 am
Nothing good will come of "armed resistance," whether it's for real or for show. It's an idiotic gesture when suburban NRA members or squatting cultists are behind it, and it's no less stupid or unlikely to help in Saint Louis. HPs.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Assembly General Election & Referendum - Not Open! on: August 22, 2014, 10:48:00 am
Northeast Assembly

1. Dallasfan
2. Matt
3. SWE
4. Poirot
5. Ragnar Pryor


1. Aye
2. Aye
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge for ALS goes awry; 2 injured, 4500 without power on: August 22, 2014, 09:57:42 am
Some people are clearly missing the point (e.g. not even mentioning ALS in their videos), but if you're petulant and self-absorbed enough to whine about a campaign that has succeeding in bringing public attention to a terrifying disease that is usually ignored, get help.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2014 Federal Election - At-Large Senate on: August 22, 2014, 09:03:05 am
At-Large Senate
1. Polnut
2. WI:Generic Labor
3. Deus
4. Lumine
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DON'T VOTE until midnight! on: August 21, 2014, 11:57:06 pm
I noticed some people have deleted their ballot, we now only have six ballots.

Who deleted his ballot?
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DON'T VOTE until midnight! on: August 21, 2014, 11:51:56 pm
Well, I'm about to start with the faux-outrage if these votes are actually going to be voided...

If Homely indicates that he will ignore the alleged early votes, I would encourage the voters to cast a valid ballot. The 20-minute editing rule can't apply to a post that was never a valid ballot to begin with. (In this case, the attempt to cast a ballot early is effectively the same as never having posted at all.)

But I can't stress that if enough. Don't do anything that might jeopardize a valid vote until you know that your ballot will not be counted.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DON'T VOTE until midnight! on: August 21, 2014, 11:28:44 pm
This special election is held in accordance with Article V of the Constitution and with the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act. The regular election begins at 0:00 EDT, Friday, August 22, and ends at 0:00 EDT, Monday, August 25.

Note that voting begins at midnight (0:00 at the Atlas time shown at the top of your browser page) and ends in exactly 72 hours.

Is 0:00 EDT not midnight?
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Clean Energy Act of 2014 (Debating) on: August 21, 2014, 04:10:08 pm
The primary cause of last winter's high fuel prices was congestion in the grid. If we place heavy restrictions on the movement of natural gas and the development of related infrastructure, we will make ourselves more vulnerable to sudden price increases in periods of unusually high demand.

Even if you believe that fossil fuels should be more expensive than they are in the United States (as I do), these extremely high prices during the coldest weeks of the coldest winters are difficult to justify. These prices are a severe hardship for many businesses and families. Moreover, because it's an infrequent event, people are rarely inspired to switch to less fuel-dependent behavior as a result.

Also, why are we targeting natural gas exclusively? Too often, it would only be replaced by coal, which is dirtier by far. Hydraulic fracturing is incredibly damaging to the environment, but we shouldn't treat other forms of natural gas extraction in the same way.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August Senate Election - Tracker/Discussion Thread. REGIONS VOTE ON BICAMERALISM on: August 21, 2014, 11:57:29 am
Oh, I'm not objecting to whatever count you choose to use. It's your tracker and I'm grateful that you're running it, whether I agree with your interpretation or not. But if the official count excludes the votes... then I'll have to act. Tongue
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August Senate Election - Tracker/Discussion Thread. REGIONS VOTE ON BICAMERALISM on: August 21, 2014, 08:25:56 am
Ugh, I think it's and EDT/EST issue.

Still, I don't understand why there was a delay in the first place. Northeast law doesn't even dictate how long the booth needs to be open. (Yes, this is up to the regions since ratification of the 17th Amendment.) As there is no apparent legal basis for disenfranchising me and the other voters who made the same mistake, I expect our votes to be counted.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 16 year-old arrested for writing about shooting a dinosaur on: August 21, 2014, 07:25:26 am
When dinosaurs are criminalized, only criminals will have dinosaurs.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August Senate Election - Tracker/Discussion Thread. REGIONS VOTE ON BICAMERALISM on: August 21, 2014, 07:18:46 am
What votes were cast outside of the time parameters? The booth said that voting began on August 19, and no one voted before then. That's leaving aside that votes on federal amendments are to be opened immediately and that the delay may not even be legal in the first place.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Peace and Prosperity Act of 2014 (Debating) on: August 21, 2014, 12:16:46 am
Also, as a reference, here are the relevant budget numbers. It is likely that our troop numbers are actually lower the 2013 numbers that I quoted, as spending was reduced slightly in the 2014 budget.

23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you wish we had opebo's insight on the Ferguson, MO situation? on: August 20, 2014, 11:33:07 pm
I would tolerate opebo's (predictable, uninteresting, and distracting) "insights" if it meant getting Lewis back as a regular poster, but I certainly wouldn't wish for them.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Mideast: Dead? on: August 20, 2014, 11:27:49 pm
I have dismissed Special Envoy Keaton and asked him to focus on revitalizing his region when he returns.

This should not be taken as a commentary on his work at the Department of International Affairs, nor does it lessen my appreciation for his assistance. But I haven't heard from him in private since August 9th, and his first duty needs to be to the region that elected him Governor. I hope that we hear from again soon.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of International Affairs: Senator TNF's 'Peace & Prosperity Act' on: August 20, 2014, 11:21:23 pm
Note: The Senate is debating a bill that would would reduce military spending by 75%, mandate unilateral nuclear disarmament within five years, close all overseas military bases, and forgive all debts owed to Atlasia by developing nations. The bill also includes a provision in support of reforms to the UN Security Council. Secretary Averroës offered the following comments earlier this evening.


The Department of International Affairs does not support the current text of this Senator TNF's Peace and Prosperity Act. However, we see this as an opportunity to revisit our national defense priorities and discuss what Atlasia should be doing to promote international peace. Here are a few recommendations.

1. Repeal the Second Military Division Appropriation Act. Passed at the height of the Iraq War, this bill created an additional army division at a time when Atlasia was occupying multiple countries. Now that we have largely withdrawn from these conflicts, this division is no longer necessary. (This bill also contains a provision increasing pay for active duty personnel, but that past increase isn't necessarily something that we need to retain in our law books. Rest assured, the Department of Defense will not reduce pay for soldiers, sailors, or airmen under my watch.)

2. Repeal and replace the Nuclear Restriction Act. This act contains confusing language that should be simplified and clarified. Since its intent is consistent with what TNF means to accomplish here, I recommend revisiting its provisions and including those revisions in this bill.

3. Atlasia has already streamlined its military since 2005; any further cuts should be made with past changes in mind. We have substantially reduced the size of the Atlasian military since 2005, including the following measures:

4. We have already ratified numerous treaties that the US has ignored, many of them relating specifically to disarmament. We should pursue further arms reductions through additional or expanded treaties, not unilateral disarmament. Atlasia is not a 'rogue state' in the sense that the United States has been one for most of the past century - in contrast, we consistently adhere to and support international law. Treaties that we have ratified that the US has not include:

Convention of the Rights of the Child
Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction (Mine Ban Treaty)
Convention on Cluster Munitions
Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty
Law of the Sea Treaty
Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants
Rotterdam Convention on Importation of Hazardous Chemicals
Basel Convention on Hazardous Wastes and Their Disposal
Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court
Protocol I of the Geneva Convention
Protocol II of the Geneva Convention
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

5. Atlasia has historically been more generous with non-military foreign aid and assistance than the United States. We should persist in this role in East Africa, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and other zones of conflict or natural disaster. We have also made immigration far easier for refugees. In terms of building a foreign policy based on peace and respect for human dignity, I can't think of any better policy than inviting those who have been forced from their homes to share in our prosperity here in Atlasia.
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