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1  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Where do you stand on the killing of Cecil the Lion? on: August 01, 2015, 08:17:07 pm
A person who has tens of thousands of dollars to spend on a pseudo-safari is not a person whose "livelihood" is at risk.
2  General Politics / Economics / Re: Is Social Security regressive? on: August 01, 2015, 09:53:00 am
Seventeen posts in, yet no one has mentioned the single most harrowing factor at work: The poor die more quickly. (They also tend to spend the final years of their life in worse health.) Moreover, this disparity is growing over time, with some low-income groups even experiencing worsening life expectancy over the past twenty years.
3  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Where do you stand on the killing of Cecil the Lion? on: August 01, 2015, 09:43:32 am
Killing animals for pleasure is evil. I'm not plugged in enough to know just how much coverage this particular bit of butchery has received over the past week, but to ridicule people for reacting to it is pathetic and monstrous. It's a tragic and compelling story, full stop. For most people who hear it, political implications are beside the point.
4  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is wearing a native american costume in the carnival racism? on: August 01, 2015, 09:29:42 am
Yes, it's cultural appropriation. It's not the same as dressing up as a Roman or a Viking because it perpetuates the misinformation that Native American cultures are dead or frozen in the past. Ceremonial Native American garb has real meaning to contemporary people. It is not our place to make a mockery of it. Having a white person where it as a carnival costume is necessarily an inappropriate context for that type of outfit.

Plus, setting aside the spiritual meanings, it's about as sensitive as dressing up as an Arab or Chinese person.

Serious question. The hotel down the street from my office makes most of the male staff wear traditional Highland dress. Is that a racist appropriation of my Scottish culture?

I find it "offensive" in the same sense in which I find lawn flamingos and tattoos of Tinkerbell offensive.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Banned Posters: Adam Griffin on: July 22, 2015, 11:07:59 am
I agree with TNF and Simfan.

Obviously FF.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: July 22, 2015, 06:54:27 am
Averroes
Deregister
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: O'Malley Gets Cold Response After He Says 'White Lives Matter, All Lives Matter' on: July 21, 2015, 08:11:55 pm
Blacks are one of the most reliable Democratic demographic groups. Black women, especially, are really the heart and soul of the modern party, both in activism and actual voting. It would behoove presidential candidates for the Democratic nomination to have at least a cursory understanding of the issues that are important them, and that includes the political language they use.

...particularly any candidate with as dubious a regard wrt organized police-on-black violence as O'Malley.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: POST HERE IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MOD on: July 21, 2015, 07:12:16 pm
Fair enough. Publicly asking for volunteers is a dumb move regardless.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 21, 2015, 05:41:40 pm
Do you support removing President Bore, Justice Oakvale, and others from office as well, Snowguy? The position that I have staked is no different from theirs. At no point have I refused or specified any intent to refuse to carry out the responsibilities that come with the office to which I was elected.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 21, 2015, 05:12:52 pm
1) I was powerless to act on my own, and I knew that President Bore would be online to respond to the crisis before the day's end. Remaining safe was the most logical action to take, unless the Senate would have preferred that I lead a coup.

2) I don't affirm the status quo. I support a reboot, and that reboot would necessarily entail suspending our existing constitution and laws. This is an opinion that a large share of Atlasia shares, including the President. While my phrasing of the sentiment is apparently provocative, it does not indicate anything more than what has become a mainstream opinion over the past month.

3) A majority of the Senate, the Cabinet, and the Supreme Court never denounced TNF's rebellion in public. Laugh if you want, but my calls for a nonviolent resolution make me one of the most vocal advocates for peace during the entire crisis. Of course I don't support threatening Nyman with nuclear attack or invading the Pacific, or any other region for that matter. (Once again, the rationale for this impeachment shifts in an increasingly incomprehensible and untenable direction...)

The "pattern" that you suggest is entirely the product of a narrative that you have imposed on my actions. It is not consistent with my stated beliefs, my stated motives, or the supporting evidence that I have submitted in my defense in this thread.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: POST HERE IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MOD on: July 21, 2015, 04:45:31 pm
Pretty sure the last thing that is needed is more mods. You have enough as it is. Not only have you had a new mod literally self-destruct this week but your entire mod board was leaked to the public. Focus should be placed on cleaning up your department first.

If the 2016 Board needs another mod, throw Dallasfan or Joe or Hash or someone on it.

Finally, a voice of reason. Granted, I don't know what level of work the (active) current moderators can reasonably expect to handle, but the moderator:post ratio is already high compared to any other forum I am familiar with.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 21, 2015, 04:37:31 pm
I think that language is uncalled for, Kalwejt.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 21, 2015, 04:34:45 pm
Everyone's seen the quote by now, Kal. I've been open for a very long time about my belief that Yankee is emblematic of much of what has gone wrong with Atlasia. If the wording is confusing, so be it: How many mangled sentences have you, or anyone else, for that matter, posted? But don't call me a liar.  The stakes here aren't nearly high enough for me to lie.

You've mangled every possible sentence back and forth since since before this proceedings started, then accuse everybody else of lying. You can keep doing this for as long as you wish. The evidences are clear and there's really nothing more to add.

I don't know that I've accused anyone of lying *outright*, but - I am sorry to say so - I have picked up a strong sense of opportunism, vindictiveness, and hypocrisy.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 21, 2015, 04:24:59 pm
Well Evergreen, we're still waiting to hear if Nix supports the actions of Attorney General Al.

I fail to see the relevance of the question, but if it makes you happy I'll provide an answer: None of us are aware of the details of the Attorney General's prospective case. None of us know what evidence he planned to present. My response to this is to suspend judgment. If anyone is comfortable drawing any strong conclusions about the case at this juncture, he or she most likely knows more about it than I do.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 21, 2015, 04:18:31 pm
Thanks Harry, good to get your insight and evidence.

As Kal said, we have to act responsibly here. A Vice President who 'has fun' with a crisis, whilst hiding in another country raises question marks for me

Good grief. If this Senate is about to impeach me for "having fun", I'll take it as the highest honor in Atlasian history, as well as a relief.

He's been clearly talking about "the terms of Atlasia's final surrender". It's in black and white for all to see. Him, claiming now he didn't say that is offending our collective intelligence.

This, combined with his conduct (fleeing the country in time of national crisis), as well as plain statement he "doesn't affirm the laws of Atlasia anymore", which constitutes a blantant breach of the oath he took to "preserve, protect and defend the constitution" are ground for removing him from office.

As I've said before, this case cannot be possibly more clear.

Everyone's seen the quote by now, Kal. I've been open for a very long time about my belief that Yankee is emblematic of much of what has gone wrong with Atlasia. If the wording is confusing, so be it: How many mangled sentences have you, or anyone else, for that matter, posted? But don't call me a liar.  The stakes here aren't nearly high enough for me to lie.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 21, 2015, 02:40:08 am
It's clear that most of the Senate is set on impeachment regardless of what I say now, what I have done, and what I believe. The evidence of wrongdoing is extremely murky at best, with Senators repeatedly hashing over points that I have thoroughly addressed. The standard that I am being held to is so novel and so unprecedented that I have trouble believing that most Senators could independently define what that standard is.

Of course the Senate may impeach someone for any reason, or even no reason at all, as long as the votes are there. But it puts its own legitimacy at risk by doing so, and totally abandons the foundational Atlasian principle that political minorities ought to be respected and protected.

Moreover, you make the worst possible assumptions about my motives, even when those assumptions are implausible. If I were acting in support of a rebellion, why would I go to Cuba? And if I were demanding "unconditional surrender" from anyone, why would I have done it in the opaque way that I did, in a way that would have contradicted every other public and private statement that I have made over the past week? If I rejected the Atlasian Constitution, why would I publicly state that I do not reject it?

If this had ever been anything but a kangaroo hearing, we would not have had Senators moving for a vote within 20 minutes of it inception. I encourage you to get it over over with and do your duty.
17  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: A new Mock Parliament on: July 20, 2015, 06:27:58 pm
X AverroŽs

Signing in.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 20, 2015, 04:53:44 pm
I've debunked the concrete charges that you describe in your first two paragraphs, Kalwejt, so I'm not sure why you're raising them again. The remaining charges are both 1) abstract enough that they could apply to anyone advocating a reboot and 2) highly conjectural with regard to my motivation.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 20, 2015, 12:38:52 pm
Why was my previous answer inadequate? I told you what it means: I support the same change - call it a reset, a reboot, or whatever else you like - that many other Atlasians, including our President, have advocated.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 20, 2015, 11:50:00 am
Yet, oddly, no evidence has been introduced to that effect.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 20, 2015, 11:32:32 am
Well the whole purpose of the impeachment process is to establish whether or not the office holder should be removed. I've still got some things I want to clear up.

Mr Vice President, you made this statement....


 I remain no less committed to the principles and goals that Oakvale outlined in his New Start Manifesto. Only one thing has changed: I do not reject the reality Atlasia's federal laws, legal structure, and authority, but I do not affirm it either. More to follow elsewhere.

The bold part is the part that worries me. Not only is it extremely unclear but you seem to be distancing yourself from the laws, or at best showing disregard for them

My meaning is exactly what we've heard from Justice Oakvale, President Bore, and others. No more and no less.

"End Atlasia as we know it - total dissolution of its government, constitution, political parties and state apparatus, start anew with an entirely new system decided upon by the people. No tepid reformism or half-baked Constitutional Conventions that, as we know, will just end in some poorly thought-out changes that ultimately do nothing. We need to call it a day on Atlasia and start something from scratch."

"The time has come, and I say this with a heavy heart, to burn down the game, lock everything, remember the good times and forget the bad, turn our swords into plowshares, and let a replacement spring up organically. Atlasia was once fresh and small and active and new and organic, and it's replacement can be as well."
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 20, 2015, 06:12:04 am
If general claims of "failure to lead" are the best case that you have against me, then there is hardly an officeholder in Atlasia who shouldn't be impeached.

It is obvious that my real crime has nothing to do with TNF's rebellion or my flying to Cuba. I face impeachment for one reason only: I am a vocal supporter of resetting the game, and this weekend's events were chaotic enough to provide a vague subterfuge for clearing out the administration and forcing President Bore to choose a VP with different sympathies.



Not at all, considering that President Bore himself has called for the game to be ended. Surely if we were trying to get rid of that 'group' of people we would have impeached him. Heck I've called for us to become a parliamentary system in the future, and even suggested that the game has run out of ideas (I suggested becoming an African Country in the 1980's to make it difficult) Yet I haven't been chucked out of the Senate

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If general claims of "failure to lead" are the best case that you have against me, then there is hardly an officeholder in Atlasia who shouldn't be impeached.

So your defense is 'everyone did it, so I'm fine'?

1. I believe that several Senators would like to impeach President Bore and will vote to do so if they are given the chance.

2. No, my defense is that I have not actually committed an impeachable offense. The claim that a person "failed to show leadership" is far too general and ill-defined to serve as the justification of an impeachment.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 20, 2015, 05:38:49 am
If general claims of "failure to lead" are the best case that you have against me, then there is hardly an officeholder in Atlasia who shouldn't be impeached.

It is obvious that my real crime has nothing to do with TNF's rebellion or my flying to Cuba. I face impeachment for one reason only: I am a vocal supporter of resetting the game, and this weekend's events were chaotic enough to provide a vague subterfuge for clearing out the administration and forcing President Bore to choose a VP with different sympathies.

24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 19, 2015, 03:41:10 pm
Mr Vice President, why did you flee the country?

My reason for leaving is exactly as I have stated: Prudence. Atlasia is in chaos. Remaining in Nyman would have been an unnecessary risk to my safety for the sake of symbolism.

But surely there were other safer places to go than Cuba?

Cuba has enjoyed friendly relations with Atlasia for most the latter's existence, and is one of the nearest countries to my state of registration, South Carolina. It is also the site of an Atlasian military facility. There are few places within a thousand miles of the Atlasian mainland where I would be any safer.

So you abandoned the capital for your own safety, despite nearly every other leader staying put and defending our nation.

On the matter of TNF, what actions have you taken as VP to stop his grab for power?

I have advocated non-violence and restraint from all actors throughout every step of the present conflict. I present the following PMs as evidence:

I urge everyone concerned to practice nonviolence and to express their views peacefully.

We must not tolerate violence of any kind, by any group. I will personally host negotiations if it becomes necessary.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against Vice President Nix on: July 19, 2015, 03:18:15 pm
Mr Vice President, why did you flee the country?

My reason for leaving is exactly as I have stated: Prudence. Atlasia is in chaos. Remaining in Nyman would have been an unnecessary risk to my safety for the sake of symbolism.

But surely there were other safer places to go than Cuba?

Cuba has enjoyed friendly relations with Atlasia for most the latter's existence, and is one of the nearest countries to my state of registration, South Carolina. It is also the site of an Atlasian military facility. There are few places within a thousand miles of the Atlasian mainland where I would be any safer.
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