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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Eharding Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: March 28, 2017, 11:14:53 pm
One time for a brief second I was somehow logged in as Dave Leip. Has that ever happened to anyone?

Yes.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chuck Schumer yelling Anti-Trump rage at 80+y couple at a restaurant on: March 28, 2017, 07:26:07 pm
This probably is exaggerated but Schumer is still terrible. I can't imagine that you guys on the left like him, he seems like your side's Mitch McConnel, in the sense that he cares more about influence and power than any real principles or solutions. Both are probably reasonable smart men but power is all they care about.





3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Eharding on: March 28, 2017, 06:37:34 pm
I'm still laughing at "Marginal Counterrevolution." His ban deprives the forum of an amusing character and a distinctive point of view, that much is clear.

He was overly aggressive toward certain people and that needed to stop, but I can't help but acknowledge his passing with an un-ironic cry of "So much for the tolerant uselectionatlas.org!"

I get that most posters here with whom I am usually like-minded disagree, but I say this in complete sincerity: Trump's election has encouraged a lot of liberals, a lot of leftists, and even many people in the center to crawl even further into bubbles of epistemic closure and intolerance for disagreement. This isn't healthy, and it's harmful to ability to understand politics and political arguments.

Note that unlike some, I don't think that we need to define hate speech downward to reflect post-Trump realities or w/e - I'm just saying that getting more restrictive is a mistake, and, increasingly, that is what I see people doing.
4  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Recent bans on: March 28, 2017, 06:26:34 pm
I know my history has a few things against me but I believe I would be an excellent, fair and unbiased mod.

Jimmie, I like you, but the fact that you would even making this post is one reason why you almost certainly wouldn't be.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dick Cheney: Russian election interference could be considered an "act of war" on: March 28, 2017, 06:24:03 pm
not at all....uber-neocon cheney was one of the few holdouts in his ideological universe who straight-out endorsed trump early.

he could easily have prevented this, if he wanted.

Yes, it's been very telling all along that virtually no major figure in the Republican Party went farther than quietly admitting that they were not voting for either major candidate.

Comically, and tragically, the strongest "rejection" of Trump that I can remember from the general election was Jeb's characteristically pathetic and mealy-mouthed statement that it would be a "powerful" statement if nobody voted.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump to sign executive order repealing climate change regulations on: March 28, 2017, 06:21:24 pm
Coal production versus employment since 1880:



It'll be fascinating to look back on this decision and evaluate how many "coal jobs" it has "saved."

So sad that people living in coal country are actually falling for this charlatanry.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dick Cheney: Russian election interference could be considered an "act of war" on: March 28, 2017, 06:19:21 pm
Another brave soldier in the glorious #Resistance.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Charles Krauthammer - People now believe that healthcare is now an entitlement on: March 28, 2017, 06:19:00 pm
Everyone who accepts that critically ill or injured people shouldn't be asked to provide proof of payment before getting treatment in an emergency department believes that healthcare is an "entitlement."

Krauthammer's comment is a good few decades behind the times. Maybe he should stick to writing about baseball or whatever it is that the conservative commentariat prefer doing in their free time?

The Obama administration and the Affordable Care Act can't take credit for this belief, either. The ACA was just the most recent and most dramatic round of reforms that were necessary to prevent our healthcare system from going bankrupt and keep cost growth under control. It was a change for the better - and one that has kept hospitals open, patients out of medical bankruptcy, and millions of people covered under Medicaid - but it was in no sense a radical restructuring of health care in the United States.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: it's a felony in VA to wear Joker makeup on: March 28, 2017, 06:13:01 pm
Antifa is a platform for organized and politically motivated street violence, so comparisons to the KKK, Brownshirts, etc. are totally justified. It's sad and pathetic that people feel compelled to make excuses for a paramilitary gang.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 28, 2017, 06:10:03 pm
It's quite a leap from "ignore the interests of the poor" (which basically nobody left of center except possibly NSV is advocating, either on this forum or in the Democratic Party generally; Clinton talked about the poor constantly) to "ignore the interests of the white working class". Increasing the minimum wage, e.g., is widely viewed as a major Democratic Party plank to benefit the poor, but it won't do anything to win back "white working class" voters because those voters don't vote Republican on the basis of economic issues.

I've said before that it's entirely possible that there is nothing to be done for many of these people and their communities. There are few reasons for optimism. But I don't think that justifies giving up on them, which would be both immoral and impractical given that they represent a wide slice of the electorate. Not to mention a diverse one: The problem of "useless bodies" and what happens in places on the extreme fringes of the concentrations of power, wealth, and economic vitality that make up this country is not limited to white people in rural areas. It is racially and ethnically diverse, and it includes people living in every kind of built environment.

Clinton had neither a rhetorical nor a substantive commitment to policies that would improve lives in these places. (And if she really "talked about the poor constantly," as you claim, she must have had the worst media strategy of any major-party presidential candidate in the television era.)

Bumper sticker policies like a $12 minimum wage should mean very little to people living in places where the local economy fails to support enough jobs even at a minimum wage that is barely half of that. And what kind of life does a $12 minimum wage offer, anyway, even if you can find a steady job at it? Even in the lowest cost-of-living places in the United States, you're not likely to get ahead or support a family on that kind of income. Unless there are promotions or opportunities to start your own business on the horizon, you would just be stuck.

But I also think that it's a grave mistake to segment interests in a way that focuses on the "white working class" as the sole point of focus for discussion. Working-class minorities break heavily for Democrats, but in many places and among many sub-groups they do not turn out in strong numbers, especially in non-presidential years. And there were strong warning signs in the results of this election; it's even possible that black turnout would have been lower if Obama had not been the incumbent president.

This will worsen in coming elections as new cohorts with different patterns of engagement age into the electorate. Democrats might not be able to count on the influence of institutions like black churches or minority-affiliated urban machines to move as many votes in the future.
11  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Recent bans on: March 28, 2017, 05:53:09 pm
Eharding

Federalist

Michigan

I will be running my campaign from my twitter account @Enopoletus , even if banned. You can also comment at marginalcounterrevolution.wordpress.com

Yeah; I got no warning I was permabanned. Kalwejt is lying. He last contacted me on March 26 (i.e., not "to the last day"). He only said this:
"I'd like to propose something to you, I could reverse the mute altogether, if you'd promise to drop this thing (your ban, including locking these FC threads) for now and focus on something else."

I said no thanks. I preferred to have finished the full sentence of my mute. Look at what I got for that!

I did not even get a hint that I was to be permabanned during my mute by any mod I contacted or by any mod who contacted me, nor did I ever conceive of such a thing.

So no, ssuperflash, I did not get a chance to defend myself, as I was not made aware I risked getting permabanned by not following every seemingly voluntary offer of the notorious Kalwejt.

TN Volunteer was right this time, but this will be my last post here.

Please vote for me in April. Bye.

True Federalist said posting too much is no offense here. Am very sad to have believed him. Check my posting history. No post of mine was as low-quality as a single one of Clay's or Runeghost's.

Kalwejt muted me and banned me on false premises on his own accord. He's a liar.

Unfortunately, creating this account and posting from it will probably be held against you.

I think it's fair to say that whoever is responsible for these decisions made a grave mistake putting Kalwejt in a position of power. It's clear that he views his position a "promotion," as he put it in his own words, and one that puts in him in a position above other posters. Since becoming a moderator he has become a leering presence akin to Torie or Inks - one who brings his own agenda to moderating rather than simply performing a quiet service that makes the board functional and safe for the rest of us. This is a shame.

I even believe that many people who support your ban would agree with this. I certainly don't believe that the number of posts that you were making here were healthy, but then again why should that be my business? If you deserved to be muted or temp-banned for anything, it was for your vicious and highly personal attacks on Virginia. But those don't seem to have been instrumental even in this.

Kal is not so bad, but some people are simply unsuited to any position in which they have authority over other people. (Recall Inks' testimony about abusing his employees while working as a low-level manager at McDonald's, or Torie's gleeful accounts of bullying other people who lack his legal knowledge when their interests happen to conflict.) We can all be thankful that in this case the negative effects are limited to a single online space.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: it's a felony in VA to wear Joker makeup on: March 28, 2017, 05:43:49 pm
But he's not a violent masked group like the KKK or antifa, he's just one lonely millennial.

"One lonely millennial" is a poor choice of words. Recent history suggests that we have a great deal of justification for fearing people who meet this description.

In this case, he was wandering along a highway in a strange costume, carrying a sword. (Yes, it's called a "road," but if you look at it in Google Earth it appears to be one of those horrid stretches that has haphazardly evolved into something more high traffic than that.) Police didn't harass him because they were busybodies with nothing better to do; they had received multiple 911 calls.

I'm reminded of a recurring problem around my home town when I was growing up. A man dressed as a vampire was sighted wandering along a nearby state highway. Frequently it was late at night, and he was walking in the middle of the highway wearing an enormous black cape and lunging at passing vehicles. He behaved extremely strangely whenever he entered local businesses and told several people that his costume was not a costume at all: He dressed that way and preferred to wander at night because he was actually a vampire. He may have been homeless, but his background wasn't clear at the time.

He was eventually detained and questioned - the authorities were not convinced by his self-identification, and he apparently went on to spend a long time in a mental hospital.

Anyway, I think it's fair to admit that it's not entirely clear what's going on with this person, but I completely fail to understand the impulse to make him a cause célèbre.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Eharding Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: March 28, 2017, 02:26:34 pm
I vehemently disagree with Non Swing Voter's economic views but I am increasingly disturbed by the reality that almost no one here is interested in engaging with him without being wrathful and verbally abusive about it.

Tssk tssk. Why won't anyone treat Mr. "if you disagree with my badly made points you're a 20 year old bum" with kindness? Why are they so wrathful to the guy who attacks RINO Tom in every thread he's in?

My post pre-dates his overnight bender and subsequent hangover. Either way, people who were so easily baited by him would have benefited from exercising the self-control that NSV so clearly lacked. His behavior is heavily suggestive of some kind of personal problem.

His behavior pre-dates your post.

He wasn't more than mildly abrasive until the past twenty-four hours, when he did his best to instigate a pile-on and the forum responded on cue.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Eharding Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: March 28, 2017, 02:21:10 pm
I vehemently disagree with Non Swing Voter's economic views but I am increasingly disturbed by the reality that almost no one here is interested in engaging with him without being wrathful and verbally abusive about it.

Tssk tssk. Why won't anyone treat Mr. "if you disagree with my badly made points you're a 20 year old bum" with kindness? Why are they so wrathful to the guy who attacks RINO Tom in every thread he's in?

My post pre-dates his overnight bender and subsequent hangover. Either way, people who were so easily baited by him would have benefited from exercising the self-control that NSV so clearly lacked. His behavior is heavily suggestive of some kind of personal problem.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Times: Trump allegedly handed Merkel a bill over 300 billion pounds on: March 28, 2017, 12:57:24 pm
This has been denied by both the Trump administration and the German government.

Don't let it stop the inane chatter.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone V: Born Under A Bad Sign on: March 28, 2017, 11:57:06 am
Just wrote a huge post with graphs and everything that got eaten by the abyss because I stupidly hit the preview button when I was logged out.  I give up.

Every time this has happened to me and I've bothered to rewrite the original post from memory, my re-draft has been much better than the original as I remember it. Graphs are overrated anyway...
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of non-swing voter on: March 28, 2017, 11:55:27 am
This is performance art.

Honestly, I get tired of constantly being attacked by hacks here who have nothing better to do. 

I'm home sick with a three-digit temperature and a cough that could wake the dead. What's your excuse?
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: it's a felony in VA to wear Joker makeup on: March 28, 2017, 11:53:05 am
I don't understand why I should be outraged by this. Anti-mask laws have been used to disrupt violent groups like the KKK and biker gangs for decades.

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The male, who was wearing a black cape and carrying a sword, was spotted walking along Papermill Road and South Pleasant Valley Road.

...clearly just an innocent fellow out for a stroll in the neighborhood!
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Non Swing Voter's name on: March 28, 2017, 11:50:00 am
An important difference being that certain major expenses (e.g. state and federal taxes, post-secondary education, healthcare) are no higher on average in high cost-of-living places. Actually, a major benefit of many high cost-of-living places is that you have ready access to these resources without the transportation and lodging expenses that limit access among people living in the hinterlands. Furthermore, even a modest savings rate will be sufficient to guarantee you a comfortable living in a less expensive area. You don't have to retire to another expensive place.

Was this serious?  The tax rate in and around DC is very high compared to say Texas which I believe doesn't even have a state income tax.

Virginia and Maryland have moderate state income taxes by national standards, and you would be paying them whether you lived in a DC metro county or one of the panhandles. It's certainly lower than what I pay in Upstate New York.

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Also, of course federal taxes are higher on average in wealthy areas where people are in a much higher income tax bracket.

lmfao, I didn't know that you were Flat Taxer.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Non Swing Voter's name on: March 28, 2017, 11:41:07 am
An important difference being that certain major expenses (e.g. state and federal taxes, post-secondary education, healthcare) are no higher on average in high cost-of-living places. Actually, a major benefit of many high cost-of-living places is that you have ready access to these resources without the transportation and lodging expenses that limit access among people living in the hinterlands. Furthermore, even a modest savings rate will be sufficient to guarantee you a comfortable living in a less expensive area. You don't have to retire to another expensive place.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 28, 2017, 11:37:37 am

Wait, I'm not clear on where you stand on this. You're employed in the rent-seeking capital of the country, so how does that affect your views on federal spending?
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chuck Schumer yelling Anti-Trump rage at 80+y couple at a restaurant on: March 28, 2017, 11:35:29 am
Disagree with you, Averroes. It's the New York Post, so it's naturally exaggerated. Page Six is pretty good on the whole though. Howard Stern has verified a lot of their stuff. Basically what I'd imagine really happened involved Schumer going off about something entirely unrelated to Trump. Califano might have started the incident as well for all we know. But don't totally dismiss the sources.

I do have a knee-jerk reaction to NYP stuff - you can't follow politics in New York States without learning that lesson quickly - but I'm referring more to the primary accounts cited by the article, which are in total contradiction, and with only one anonymous source telling a story in a way that meshes with the headline and description.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Does Trump have will or leverage for Medicare for All? on: March 28, 2017, 11:11:43 am
Of course not, and any speculation to that effect is beyond ridiculous.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chuck Schumer yelling Anti-Trump rage at 80+y couple at a restaurant on: March 28, 2017, 11:02:03 am
This is not a well-sourced story. Shame on you for posting it, you tendentious hack.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 28, 2017, 10:36:51 am
Everyone realizes that diminished turnout among working class voters in urban areas also harmed HRC a great deal across the Rust Belt, right?

Gary, Indiana is 85% black, for instance. Yet swings in both turnout and vote share in cities like Gary and adjacent inner-ring suburbs played a significant role in moving states like Pennsylvania and Michigan away from Democrats. It wasn't just rural voters and it wasn't just whites.

Maybe this has been mentioned already, although I couldn't be bothered to read through most of this extremely depressing thread about an extremely bad thinkpiece.

Either way, if the voices encouraging Democrats to simply ignore the interests of poor voters who have been un-enthused by the party over the past decade prevail, the consequences will be even uglier than what we are witnessing today. A party that decides that certain communities "deserve to die" because they are "negative assets" is a party that deserves to die itself.
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