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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 26, 2014, 05:24:41 pm
Violence is an absolutely justified form of political action if you are first attacked and you have absolutely no other recourse. The people of Ferguson are never going to get justice through their racist courts and from their racist cops. They realize that and have acted accordingly.

No recourse? Turnout was barely 10% in Ferguson's last mayoral election, and only about 6% among black voters. You don't expect that to change next April?

Voting tweedledee in instead of tweedledumb isn't going to change a damn thing in Ferguson because neither of the political parties we get to choose from right now have any coherent plan for dealing with police brutality and racialized policing because both parties have been responsible for the steady construction of the New Jim Crow since the 70s. Elections aren't a be-all, end-all. Especially when a good percentage of the people in question are denied the right to vote period because of a felony conviction.

I cannot comprehend how whatever program of political violence you have in mind would be more effective or more moral than convincing two or three thousand people to participate in the next municipal election.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 12-year-old Shot Dead by Police on: November 26, 2014, 05:12:12 pm
My earlier post in this thread notwithstanding, the behavior in that video is brutal and indefensible.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 26, 2014, 12:54:24 pm
Violence is an absolutely justified form of political action if you are first attacked and you have absolutely no other recourse. The people of Ferguson are never going to get justice through their racist courts and from their racist cops. They realize that and have acted accordingly.

No recourse? Turnout was barely 10% in Ferguson's last mayoral election, and only about 6% among black voters. You don't expect that to change next April?
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will somebody please kick out Reid & Pelosi ? on: November 26, 2014, 12:05:04 pm
Pelosi has been phenomenal as Majority and Minority leader both. Very surprised people don't see it.

Pelosi's critics are obsessed with her "brand," which misses the point. The Speaker or Minority Leader's first job is not public relations.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement Monday night) on: November 26, 2014, 11:42:06 am
Well put, Anvi.

It's unfortunate when ambiguous events become a vessel for political concerns and prejudices. Police brutality, racism in the justice system, and municipal governments that make a mockery of local democracy are grave concerns whether Darren Wilson is guilty or innocent. Moreover, Michael Brown's alleged crimes, whether true or false, do not justify the sort of white nationalist resentment that Reaganfan has expressed here and elsewhere with such vitriol.

Furthermore, none of this excuses the disturbing and cowardly defenses of looting, destruction, and violence as legitimate and justified forms of political action that have cropped up on this forum and in the media:


Although, it must be said, nothing matches the blinding stupidity of those who insist that black Americans are responsible for the violence and destruction until they protest their innocence.
6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Should political satire be "all liberal, all the time"? on: November 26, 2014, 10:48:24 am
I think there's merit to the argument that conservative comedy is way way harder, and conservative political satire specifically is sort of an oxymoron. Satire is about poking fun at an establishment or dogma, and conservatism (taken at face value) is about the preservation of establishment and tradition, so conservative comedy often comes off as really ignorant or meanspirited. Anyone remember that horrific Daily Show ripoff Fox News tried out several years back?

Even so, I think there's still plenty of opportunities to make fun of left-wing groups and causes, and don't really care for the sort of echo chamber "this has to be all liberal, all the time!" creates. Social media has done plenty of that already.

Ideology is not needed to explain the sad case of The 1/2 Hour News Hour. The show suffered from bad acting and worse writing, its sense of timing was pathetic, and the jokes lacked intelligence. The Daily Show at its worst is nearly as clumsy, although I suppose even then it has the grace not to treat killing off caricatures of its political enemies as a source of comedy.

There is nothing inherent about the failure of right-wing comedy insofar as "the left" has its own coterie of ridiculous people and ridiculous causes. But because conservatives - and here I refer to the downmarket Fox News, AM radio, and Daily Mail strains - are rarely comfortable with subversion and are usually confused by irony, they can only laugh at cruelty. It's no wonder that this "humor"translates so poorly to those who are not members of the tribe.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever been near a riot? on: November 26, 2014, 12:07:21 am
I was in State College when some of its students rioted against holding noted child rape abettor Joe Paterno accountable.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support requiring police officers to wear body-cameras? on: November 25, 2014, 02:05:24 pm
I would settle for making it clear that the general public is allowed to film the police.

Mandating body cameras for law enforcement everywhere is excessive, but I support requiring them for departments that have a poor relationship with the communities that they police or a history of brutality.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grand jury reaches decision in Ferguson case (Announcement tonight) on: November 25, 2014, 08:27:13 am
The fact that some liberals earlier in this thread were cheering this violence on is disgusting. Think of all the people who will be out of work after this.

I doubt that Tweed appreciates being called a "liberal."
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific Confirmation Hearing: Ebowed for Justice on: November 24, 2014, 01:57:26 pm
Aye
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 12-year-old Shot Dead by Police on: November 23, 2014, 11:13:21 pm
You should treat cops like people who might shoot you without a good reason. You shouldn't look at them, you shouldn't talk to them and you shouldn't mess around with fake guns near cops for God's sake.  And kids in places like Cleveland should never have toy guns, it's way too dangerous. 

This is absurd.

Why would you give a cop any reason to interact with you?  They're not there to be your friend.

Well, maybe the citizen-police relationship in the US has really come to a point where no interaction is the best policy, but I still find it absurd.

Citizens shouldn't be afraid to interact with the police in a democracy - saying that you should treat the police like a foreign occupation power (no eye contact, no talk etc.) is absurd. It can only increase the alienation between citizens and police if there is no normal human interaction between them.

Police officers are meant to service and help people, so they should be on friendly term with (law abiding) citizens.

If you pull out a gun in front of cops who are confronting you, what exactly do you expect?

This is a salient point. Moreover, this occurred in a public place, not some isolated spot where only the lives of the police and Tamir were at stake.

I heard the sound of gunshots while out for a walk earlier this week. The next day, police arrested a 15 year-old boy who'd fired a gun at another teenager in anger less than a block from the campus where my classes are held. In the United States, the idea that a 12 year-old is handling and and willing to fire a real gun rather than a toy is hardly implausible.

This is what Tamir's gun looked like, by the way. I wouldn't assume that it was fake if I saw someone carrying it.

12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 12-year-old Shot Dead by Police on: November 23, 2014, 10:58:25 pm
Horrific, I'm glad the police here don't carry guns. People shouldn't be afraid of the police and cases like this inspire division between law enforcement and the people.

So, in America aren't toy guns deliberately designed with fluorescent orange marker around the tip to show them as clearly fake? Are toys deliberately designed to resemble real guns? That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen...

Most have a safety indicator, but the AP article notes that it had been removed in this case.
13  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Maximizing geography of losing candidates on: November 23, 2014, 12:38:45 am
New York Gubernatorial Actual


Andrew Cuomo 53.4%
Rob Astorino 40.6%

New York Gubernatorial Alternate



Andrew Cuomo 48.1%
Rob Astorino 46.3%
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support the upcoming Black Friday protests by Walmart workers? on: November 23, 2014, 12:14:41 am
I'm mortified that I wrote "righting" instead of "writing." The one time I didn't write my post in Microsoft word Tongue.

It was probably the better word for you to use in this case. Or, at least, a more telling choice.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific Confirmation Hearing: Ebowed for Justice on: November 23, 2014, 12:09:05 am
I will vote to confirm the nominee. We are fortunate to have a former Supreme Court Justice who is willing to serve the region.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Cosby on: November 22, 2014, 12:03:26 pm
An old black man in a hoodie and scraggly beard... funny, that's not the impression I had of him. Often these are juxtaposed with pictures of smiling and often white women, his accusers. Hmm...

There are a lot of people, particularly the younger feminist types who believe in "intersectionality" and that all activist causes are related no matter how unrelated they might seem, and only know and resent Cosby only for his "victim-blaming" comments on Black people, who, beyond their general willingness to discard any semblance of due process (our marching band has recently implemented a policy of throwing out anyone who is accused of sexual assault, and recall the whole mattress thing), are more than happy to see this "race-traitor Oreo rapist" experience an ignominious demise.

Yes, but of course a person could not notice any of this unless they treated this discussion as something other than a contest of moral outrage.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Reddit on: November 21, 2014, 05:11:17 pm
FS, even if only for AskHistorians. The rest is easy enough to ignore.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on the Keystone XL Pipeline? on: November 21, 2014, 12:24:46 pm
Generally, I support policies that make fossil fuels more expensive on the margin, but I've yet to hear why the pipeline is worth fighting over. It just doesn't seem like a big deal either way.

That's because you've never looked at the relationship between household energy expenditures (particularly gasoline) and median household income growth.

Why do you think Congress refuses to raise the gasoline tax? Right-wing conspiracy? lol

???
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: So..... remember Occupy Wall Street? on: November 21, 2014, 11:04:12 am
Occupy's message only became more vague and more explicitly anti-political over time, and this was self-defeating. (I cringed with embarrassment when a clip of a former classmate of mine shouting down John Lewis at a Occupy rally briefly made national headlines.)

I'm not convinced that OWS played so large a role in fostering the now-mainstream discussion about inequality. It always seemed more symptomatic than causative, on that front. On the other hand, it channeled at least a few of its supporters toward more focused forms of political action (e.g. Tweed mentions efforts to organize food service workers). I don't take whatever remains of the movement very seriously, but to treat the protests of late 2011 as if they were entirely inconsequential is to miss something important.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hypothetical 2016 Democratic Primary on: November 21, 2014, 09:54:18 am
Probably Clinton.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support US airstrikes against ISIS? on: November 21, 2014, 08:54:16 am
Yes (D). I support preventing mass killings and the enslavement of women, and ISIS is by its own declaration an enemy of the United States. The idea that they are unlikely to pose a threat to us if left unchecked is not credible.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on the Keystone XL Pipeline? on: November 21, 2014, 08:45:13 am
I don't support making it easier to fuel our oil addiction while simultaneously causing double harm to the environment in its construction.

I find this argument difficult to take seriously while the same fuel is already transported by rail. I'll accept a marginal decrease in the price of transporting fossil fuels if it means that we don't kill dozens of people in another Lac-Megantic.

23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Midwest Gubernatorial Recall Election Poll on: November 21, 2014, 08:18:03 am
Even Averroes who supports the recall of me withdrew the articles of impeachment against Gov. Simfan.

The Governor and I have discussed his temporary absence, and he has reassured me and Spamage that nothing is awry. The same, sadly, cannot be said for the Midwest. But ultimately that is a judgment for its citizens to make, not me.

Moreover, much like my most recent girlfriend, they are not required to explain why they would prefer to end their relationship with you. Recalls are a constitutional right in the Midwest. You don't get to claim immunity simply because you believe that it is "unfair" for Midwesterners to exercise this right.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Former Northeast Governor Winfield helps Buffalo, NY in their time of need on: November 21, 2014, 08:11:40 am
I certainly hope that your camera crews and pressmen stayed out of the way of emergency responders. If there's one thing worse than a natural disaster, it's the parade of politicians and celebrities who inevitably follow in its wake to "help" and, not incidentally, receive a round of free publicity. Was that a "Win with Winfield" tour bus that I spotted buried in the snow along I-90?
25  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Forum Redistricting Commission on: November 21, 2014, 01:14:54 am
+ Wisconsin
+ Virginia
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