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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Milo Yiannopoulos on: February 23, 2017, 11:06:39 pm
His shtick was just being mean on the internet and say shockingly nasty stuff with self-confidence and a distinct panache in public, right? I don't understand, what is especially impressive about that?
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Spicer: DOJ will be "taking action" against legalized pot on: February 23, 2017, 11:03:10 pm
The last page of posts has been such a trip. Like something out of an Abbott & Catalano sketch.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Horserace between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez on: February 23, 2017, 08:08:45 pm
A lot of sympathetic Democrats are assuming that Bernie's support was just a matter of out-promising Clinton on things like single-payer healthcare and tuition-free college, and that if the party were just willing to promise more "free stuff" that they'd have no problem winning a wide majority of his voters. I think that is a grave mistake.

The Sanders platform was fundamentally one of empowerment. He ran on transparency, honesty, and decency in government - on holding public officials responsible to the people whom they represent, regardless of background, wealth, or status. A Perez victory isn't consistent with the party taking that message seriously. When party insiders call him a "progressive," what usually seems to be meant is that he's willing to call for just enough spending and entitlements to buy off certain groups of voters. Maybe I'm wrong, but that doesn't seem like a sustainable strategy for the party.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Kalwejt Foundation for the Promotion of Atlas Hilarity on: February 23, 2017, 04:28:02 pm
Comedy is subjective. Who are you to tell me or anyone else what is or isn't funny?
Perhaps you would prefer that I write posts expounding someone else's opinions? What an inane line of crap.

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I bet you couldn't even make it through some of Joan Rivers sets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9M8EE2m7g8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_XhbzcbTow

Oh no! She's making fun of 9/11 widows and calling Mexico/Mexicans disgusting and ugly! The horror!

Quote from: Joan Rivers
We already have the first gay President with Obama. You know Michelle is tranny.

Obama after her death:
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Not only did she make us laugh, she made us think.

Oh, my, how transgressive! Shock humor is stupid and overplayed, and Joan Rivers was neither thought-provoking nor particularly funny. Obama’s comment, if sincere, is far from his first show of poor judgment and infatuation with celebrity gossip culture. Most likely he was just responding to the death of public figure in a respectful and politically correct way.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Horserace between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez on: February 23, 2017, 02:44:21 pm
While I agree it's disappointing that it looks like Ellison or Buttigieg won't win, I think people are overrating the actual power the DNC head has.
I think it's more a matter of looking for some sign of hope - anything - in the midst of what appears to be a lost cause.

And, speaking personally, my local and state parties are trash, so if I'm going see anything positive, it can only happen at the national level.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Horserace between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez on: February 23, 2017, 01:49:26 pm

Well, the priority then was funneling money toward his and then HRC's presidential campaigns, and the priority now is funneling donor money toward the foundation. Perez should be great at that - a "progressive who gets things done." Who cares about winning piddling local elections? Let them eat fentanyl.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Adam Ruins Everything on: February 23, 2017, 01:45:45 pm
That's not a bad comparison, but the show is much less overtly political. Bullsh!t had a strong tendency to focus on topics that where it could expose the unintended consequences or hidden agendas of paternalism. Adam Ruins Everything takes a much broader approach to undermining conventional wisdom. I mean, my God, the first episode is about ineffective forms of charity and specifically calls out Tom's Shoes as a scam.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Adam Ruins Everything on: February 23, 2017, 12:52:05 pm
I haven't watched it, but the concept strikes me as that of some smarmy millennial who says "well, actually" and revels at his superior knowledge compared to that of the common prole.

I've watched the show and I like it despite sharing your expectation. It tends to be sympathetic about the people for whom it "ruins" things, and very self-aware and self-effacing. Adam Conover's character constantly faces ridicule and negative consequences for being a smarmy, obnoxious know-it-all obnoxious.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Horserace between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez on: February 23, 2017, 12:46:11 pm
Among "undecided" voters are very few who would have any reason or have shown any inclination to vote for anyone other than Perez. Not looking good at all for Ellison.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Kalwejt Foundation for the Promotion of Atlas Hilarity on: February 23, 2017, 08:06:14 am
Off-color humor requires something more than merely being off-color. Typically humor is, you know, funny. That wasn't clever at all. It was just saying mean things about a group in the hopes of getting an easy laugh from people who think that there's something wrong with that group.

By the way, this is why a good portion of right-wing isn't funny - it's cruel, self-congratulatory pablum coming from a position of relative comfort, wealth, and power. It's "funny" in the same way that, for instance, calling a baby stupid or kicking a mangy-looking dog begging for food is "funny." You should feel bad for laughing at it - that you did says nothing good about you.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on TARP? on: February 22, 2017, 10:52:39 pm
At the time? Very difficult to say. With one or two years of hindsight, my answer would probably be yes. Today? A firm no. Especially as it seems as though we are poised for another severe financial crisis before long.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on repealing Dodd-Frank and reinstating Glass-Stegall? on: February 22, 2017, 10:47:58 pm
As someone who works in banking, everyone loves the idea of regulations until it affects them and they see how fvcking stupid and costly a lot of them are.  I know that just oozes a stereotype, but it's funny to see that the evil bankers, the "rich" business owners and all of these other people who are talked about like they're mythical figures on internet message boards are actually just, ya know, people trying to succeed in whatever they're selling the public, and a lot of regulations drag them down with very little in apparent benefits for society.

...and everyone loves whining about "socialism" until the financial system is crashing and the only actor that can stop it is the federal government.

Also, I don't want the people who are trying their best to financialize the US economy to "succeed in whatever they're selling to the public." Nor they should not be equated with "business owners." They are rent seekers, and the rest of us are better off when they fail.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which is a bigger problem in public restrooms? on: February 22, 2017, 10:03:26 pm
Poor aim, lack of ventilation, wet toilet paper, etc., the jokes write themselves.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harvard/Harris Poll: Americans side with Trump on immigration/deportation on: February 22, 2017, 10:01:25 pm
The chief interpretation that I get from polls on these issues is that most Americans have pliable enough positions on the issues to give wildly varying answers depending on how pollsters ask about them.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politician gets shouted down at town hall megathread on: February 22, 2017, 09:58:03 pm
At the risk of taking a joke too seriously: The "tea" in Tea Party originated as both a historical reference and an acronym (Taxed Enough Already). I don't think it bodes well that when we try to invent a left-liberal equivalent to this, we refer to a name that refers specifically to Trump's personality and temperament and not any shared stances on policies, issues, or values.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone V: Born Under A Bad Sign on: February 22, 2017, 09:47:00 pm
How many of you procrastinate about mundane things like getting a haircut? I've been putting one off for quite a while now, and I'm not proud of myself.

Do you have a pair of scissors and a mirror? Just rinse your hair with water and get going.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: February 22, 2017, 09:37:43 pm
In what sense? Jacobin is a left-wing publication that's similar to Breitbart in that it doesn't hate White people.
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Vienna: 9 Iraqi "refugees" on trial for brutally raping a young woman for hours on: February 22, 2017, 09:26:20 pm
Siren, I really dislike the implications that some posters are trying to draw from this, but reaching back to the social trauma of people at the epicenter of one the most destructive events in history for a comparison does not suggest to me that this is just something to be expected as a matter of the normal, everyday criminality that every society experiences.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Rank the previous posters from most to least ideologically like you on: February 22, 2017, 09:03:41 pm
You have 300 posts, at least half of which are on boards that I neither read nor post on regularly. But if you like Bernie, sure, you're probably at least in the middle, unless you're also an amateur phrenologist or anything weird like that.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Rank the previous posters from most to least ideologically like you on: February 22, 2017, 08:09:51 pm

Classic Conservative
Extreme Republican
TNF
Torie


ElectionsGuy
Figueira
Goldwater
Leinad
LibertarianRepublican
SunriseAroundTheWorld
Spiral


DavidB
MormDem
Mung Beans
RFayette
Smilo
TJ


Evergreen
Intell
Murica
Sawx
SWE


Crabcake
Maxwell
PJ
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Knowing what you know now, how would you have voted in the 2008 primary? on: February 22, 2017, 07:56:28 pm
1. Edwards
2. Clinton
3. Biden
4. Protest options (Gravel, Kucinich, etc.)

Would vote for Obama only to stop a horribly bloated corruption case like Richardson.

Huh

The "[x kind of person] who gets things done" formulation comes to mind. I am firmly convinced that virtually any Democratic candidate would have defeated McCain in 2008, and I also believe that Clinton would have mimicked most of what I liked about Obama's first term while avoiding his worst mistakes. It's easy to be pragmatic about hypotheticals.

-What do you think were O's worst mistakes?

(1) He failed to live up to his most prominent campaign promises regarding executive powers, government transparency, and national security. These were the issues regarding which he did most to distinguish himself from Hillary Clinton. In retrospect, it's difficult to say what she would have done differently.

(2) There was no accountability for the actions that brought about the financial crisis. I'm willing to accept that Dodd-Frank might have been the best politically feasible set of regulations, but what about the people who brought about the crisis? Why did major banks receive massive loans on extremely favorable terms while people were evicted from their homes with no assistance and while small businesses were failing because they didn't have access to credit?

(3) Pushing through health care reform under the assumption that Republicans would mostly learn to accept it by the end of the decade. The ACA was supposed to be a beloved entitlement that no one would dare challenge in a national election by now. Even as public opinion begins to turn as people realize that Republicans don't have a realistic replacement, the ACA remains poorly understood, and parts of it need to be changed in ways that will require legislative action (e.g. the individual insurance marketplaces, small employer plans, various value-based payment reforms). These changes will remain difficult as long as Republicans and the public are unwilling to accept that mandates are necessary for the law to work. On top of that, costs have continued to rise. Sure, they might have gone up more quickly without the law, but that doesn't resolve the problem. Meanwhile, mortality is increasing (if not for everyone, at least for whites without college degrees), large numbers of people continue to have problems accessing the care that they believe they need, and quality of care is stagnant.

(4) Presiding over the disintegration of the Democratic Party. It's pretty clear in retrospect that Obama's presidency allowed many liberals to shrug their shoulders and say, meh, Republicans will stop us from doing what we'd like, but this is good enough. We feel safe, things are gradually getting better, and at least we can rely on a baseline of competence. Oops. Some of the same people will now tell you that this was inevitable, the United States is an evil nation, begotten in sin and perpetually tormented by demons of its own creation, that was bound to consume itself eventually, to which we might ask - whatever happened to "America is already great"?

(5) Failing to confront, or even understand, the most significant problems in the United States and the world at large today. This is also clearer in retrospect. How hollow the glee over tepid yet consistent job growth, unemployment rates, GDP figures, etc. now looks. What did Obama's Democratic Party have to say about an increasingly precarious workforce? Falling prime age workforce participation? What did it have to say about opioid overdoses and suicide? What did it really have to say about the declining affordability of housing, education, healthcare, childcare, and retirement? What did it have to say about the hollowing out of communities, of families, of social ties in general? What did it have to say about the underlying problems of Flint, Michigan? I could go on like this for an extremely long time.

Again, I ask liberal and center-left posters to spare me the unreasonable Republicans routine. I share the view that the Republican caucus has been going kamikaze since Gingrich, and in other ways since the culmination of the Nixon-Reagan coalition of indebted, obese, prescription drug-addled, television-addicted, automobile-dependent, socially-isolated suburban wastrels. I don't know exactly what ought to be done about them, but it's clear that Obama's answer was a failure.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Democratic Runner up vs Republican runner up: Ted Kennedy vs George Bush on: February 22, 2017, 06:47:48 pm
The one whom Gore Vidal aptly labeled "300 lbs of condemned veal" - H.W. is one of the worst Republican presidents in US history.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Knowing what you know now, how would you have voted in the 2008 primary? on: February 22, 2017, 06:45:20 pm
1. Edwards
2. Clinton
3. Biden
4. Protest options (Gravel, Kucinich, etc.)

Would vote for Obama only to stop a horribly bloated corruption case like Richardson.

Huh

The "[x kind of person] who gets things done" formulation comes to mind. I am firmly convinced that virtually any Democratic candidate would have defeated McCain in 2008, and I also believe that Clinton would have mimicked most of what I liked about Obama's first term while avoiding his worst mistakes. It's easy to be pragmatic about hypotheticals.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Knowing what you know now, how would you have voted in the 2008 primary? on: February 22, 2017, 06:26:19 pm
1. Edwards
2. Clinton
3. Biden
4. Protest options (Gravel, Kucinich, etc.)

Would vote for Obama only to stop a horribly bloated corruption case like Richardson.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bernie Bros on: February 22, 2017, 06:23:22 pm
Yes, Atlas preferred Clinton to a greater degree than you would expect based on its age, race, and gender make-up for reasons similar to why we were obsessed with Mark Warner a decade ago. You could say the same of the Kasich and Rubio supporters here. We even had a handful of Jeb people IIRC.
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