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101  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Jim Messina on: June 11, 2017, 01:27:24 pm
As much of an FF as all of his most well-known clients, if you catch my drift.
102  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Badger on: June 11, 2017, 01:24:06 pm
FF, my favorite BAL. Has a sense of right and wrong that most posters here lack.
103  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The New and Improved Sam Spade Good Post Gallery. on: June 09, 2017, 06:26:31 am
STRANGE BUT TRUE: Most of the posters involved in this unbelievably inane argument claim to be adults.
104  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Half a goodbye on: June 07, 2017, 09:41:39 pm
Hear, hear.
105  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Itís time to bust the myth: Most Trump voters were not working class. on: June 06, 2017, 04:26:27 pm
It's funny how so many people have forgotten that even during the Republican primaries, Trump's appeal cut across economic and demographic lines among Republican voters.

Any successful candidate is going to have appeal that cuts across demographic lines.  But you've still got some groups that you do better with than others, and it's clear that Trump was putting up his biggest margins against Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio among voters without a college degree.

All that I mean is that his support was not heavily polarized among the groups that have an important presence in Republican primaries. Primary polls were not consistent in showing that Evangelicals were overwhelmingly rejecting him, to take one heavily cited example, and he managed at least a third of the vote almost everywhere other than Mormon areas and on the home turf of his chief competitors.

The caricature that this is meant to push back against is the idea of Trump as a factional candidate who triumphed over a divided field. Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio all looked like factional candidates with very little appeal outside of their core constituencies - but Trump did not, as shown by exit polls and the geography of primary results, and there's not much evidence even from earlier on that he ever was.
106  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: It’s time to bust the myth: Most Trump voters were not working class. on: June 06, 2017, 08:15:25 am
It's funny how so many people have forgotten that even during the Republican primaries, Trump's appeal cut across economic and demographic lines among Republican voters.

The issue is obviously a matter of failing to distinguish between the marginal Trump voters whose ballots decided the election and the "base" of  support that comprised most of his voters, who, of course, are mostly loyal Republicans

It's also worth noting that another source of confusion when people talk about "downmarket" Trump supporters is that this isn't an income- or wealth-based categorization.

And then you have to contend that withthe strange idea that "rural" refers to anything outside of a major metro area, the idea that rural always means white, and the idea that "working class" always means "white working class."
107  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NBC: Trump's support slides in military communities on: June 05, 2017, 11:43:58 pm
[quote author=Technocratic Timmy
Are you sure about this? I had a family friend who joked about Trump getting us into a war if he won prior to going to boot camp.

About a year later and after the election I asked him what he thought about that comment since then and he shrugged and said "At least we get a pay raise."
[/quote]

Yes, although it's less of a concern for active-duty military themselves, who could be stationed anywhere, than it is for the communities that have grown around the bases.

For whatever reason the NBC headline refers to "military communities," not active-duty. Our analysis of election results tends to be extremely geographic anyway, and discussions of "the military vote" usually take focus more on places than individuals.

Moreover, nearly half of active-duty military members don't vote even in presidential election years, although in age-adjusted terms their participation is at least a high as it is for civilians.
108  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Dianne Feinstein on: June 05, 2017, 11:38:30 pm
HP. She and her husband have one of the more successful grifts going in modern American politics.
109  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Where would you rather live? Alabama edition on: June 05, 2017, 11:29:51 pm
Huntsville.

...but the most important preference would be avoiding any of the counties where tropical diseases are cropping up because Alabama's public health standards for majority-black rural areas are on par with those of a third-world country (e.g. open sewers, garbage heaps on residential lots).
110  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair? on: June 05, 2017, 11:16:40 pm
How the f**k are suburbans anything like the religious right?

Suburbs? What have suburbs got to do with anything? American suburbs are extremely diverse and a large majority of votes for both parties are cast by people who live in them.
Oh sorry I misread you said urban which also raises the same question

Urban and suburban are overlapping categories, anyway. My rule of thumb is that a place is suburban if you can't get around without a car, but the distinction is blurry and not relevant to my point in any case.

There are many names and definitions for this group, but they are what most Americans mean when they refer to "liberals."
111  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: College Students Are Ridiculously Infuriating Safe-Space/Mega-thread on: June 05, 2017, 10:56:26 pm
More of this SJW crap is being revealed and exposed.


SJWs are a blight on the left, as the Alt-Right is to the right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9f4Td7h9ek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doUn0WY33YU

Democrats shouldn't be too giddy about 2018 and 2020, this crap could cost them bigtime.

You would have a better sense of the pulse of American politics if you spent less time on YouTube.

Please unsubscribe from InfoWars and Rebel Media, turn off your search alerts for "triggered snowflakes" and "SJW cringe compilation," and spend some time outdoors.
112  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair? on: June 05, 2017, 10:52:02 pm
How the f**k are suburbans anything like the religious right?

Suburbs? What have suburbs got to do with anything? American suburbs are extremely diverse and a large majority of votes for both parties are cast by people who live in them.
113  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban Jeffster on: June 05, 2017, 10:45:37 pm
Stop whining about Beet. He's a smart, articulate, and thoughtful poster which is more than can be said of most of his critics. When has he ever bullied anyone? When has he ever been hateful? I don't understand the desire to run someone out on a rail merely because he holds perplexing and neurotic opinions.

That said, the comments under discussion here are clearly meant as personal attacks, e.g. "your numbers are too small," "if you are supposed to be intelligent." This is not a serious attempt to offer criticism of Islam, or reasoned discussion of any kind - it is using another poster's religion as a rhetorical cudgel. It requires a lawyerly disregard for common sense to interpret these remarks any differently.
114  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Millennial bashing? on: June 05, 2017, 10:28:44 pm
Hilariously, Reaganfan is a better example of the most common complaints about Millennials than most other posters here.
115  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of John McCain on: June 05, 2017, 10:24:30 pm
The fact that over 70 percent of people on here think an American Hero is an HP is disgraceful.

cc: "Opinion of Philippe Pťtain"
116  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NBC: Trump's support slides in military communities on: June 05, 2017, 10:18:25 pm
He's likely to lose military community support slower than the population at large, if only because he's proposing a vast increase in government spending on defense which will presumably keep pay increases and benefits consistent, avoid cutbacks requiring unwanted reassignments or the like, etc.

The quoted numbers seem dubious, but it's worth noting that the Trump budget made headlines in military communities by including a proposal for a round of base "realignment and closures" by 2021 even while planning increases in overall defense spending.

Base closures are not especially significant to most people here, as reflected by our lack of discussion on the topic, but we can be sure that those who would be most affected are paying attention.
117  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair? on: June 05, 2017, 10:12:20 pm
Too early to say, but I definitely think we are far better off with Perez than we would've been with Ellison as the official Chairman. 

Perez has done nothing to impress, granted not much time has passed - but I am less convinced that Ellison could have made as much of a difference as I had thought that he might when the contest took place.

The Democratic Party's problems are too deeply rooted for a change of leadership to make much of a difference, and the first several months of the Trump administration have shown how many of the party's problems originate with its voter base. All that they have going for them are the savage politics of the Republican Party of 2017.

Unless something drastic happens between now and November 2018, the cultural politics of middle class urban professionals will figure heavily into that campaign. Those politics are rigid and polarizing enough that Democrats running in poor, rural and, less educated districts - even some with large non-white populations - will suffer for it.

The role of urban professionals in the Democratic coalition is becoming something like the role of the religious right in the Republican Party over the past several decades - i.e. loyal and reliable voters, who are an essential source of organizational support, but who are so culturally repellent to the rest of the country that they will scare other voters away if they are not kept in check.
118  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of John McCain on: June 05, 2017, 06:49:06 pm
Politically he is worse than Trump, just better at charming political journalists and pretending that American political institutions are worth the respect that we are supposed to show them.

If you believe half of what has been written about his temperament and penchant for grudges, he doesn't have a pleasant personality either. And anyone who owns more than a couple of houses is unlikely to qualify as a "good person." Like most longtime politicians he has allowed to power to lull him into gluttony and complacency.

Not going to pass judgment on the service of a POW who withstood years of torture, obviously. And he had an admirable rhetorical record on campaign finance reform for a long time even if his disgraceful 2008 presidential candidacy exposed that as hypocrisy.

Also, he was right about the surge in Iraq, which even many formerly pro-war politicians chose to oppose for cynical political reasons.
119  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair? on: June 05, 2017, 05:59:22 am
What are everyone's thoughts now that it's been a few months?

Not good.
120  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: People under 18 paying taxes on: June 04, 2017, 09:27:01 pm
Voting is for adult citizens. You don't need to be a citizen to pay taxes, so why should you need to be an adult?
121  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kentucky Governor’s Crime Plan: Volunteer ‘Prayer Patrols’ Roaming The Streets on: June 04, 2017, 05:42:38 am
Some lefty needs to introduce a counterproposal for volunteer "solidarity patrols."
122  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The ExtremeRepublican Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: June 04, 2017, 05:36:40 am
We are living in a time in which it seems shockingly easy for just about anyone to get caught up in ideology that tells them that it is OK to be cruel.

This is not a pleasant thought in any conversation, least of all when the subject of discussion is terrorism.
123  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: HRC - "Trump/Sanders capitalized on anger, I beat both, 3rd party ppl are crazy" on: June 04, 2017, 05:30:06 am
Not doing much to dissuade me from believing that Hillary '16 may have been the most shameful vote that I cast in my life.
124  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Why is the bridge so frequently the worst part of a pop song? on: June 02, 2017, 09:52:39 pm
Because bridges are almost never necessary and almost no good songs have them?

Most good songs don't even have verses and choruses...

?????

I'm talking about pop songs, not John Cage. What song pattern does your preferred music follow?
125  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Why is the bridge so frequently the worst part of a pop song? on: June 02, 2017, 09:33:38 pm
Please help me.
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