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101  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: More American Students Leaving US for College Education Abroad on: March 30, 2016, 06:40:00 am
Look for these to turn into permanent moves, for the rest of their lives, if the reincarnation of Hitler is elected.

Unfortunately (for Americans, at least), immigration to most other developed countries doesn't work that way.
102  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: More American Students Leaving US for College Education Abroad on: March 30, 2016, 06:37:43 am
For the most part Tony, I don't think the travel abroad experience is helping as many people as even you want to hope. Sure tons of ignorants go on their luxury vacation, but remember the vast majority of people don't even have a degree. It's best to separate the groups. No doubt ignorance of the world is widespread in colleges, but the majority in that segment probably does understand those matters quite well, particularly amongst the wealthy who can afford such a trip.

I mean yeah, as I said it's obviously a marker of privilege and that's a problem onto itself.

That said, I'm not as sure that rich kids are necessary much more aware of the world around them than poorer ones. There are plenty of wealthy, ignorant people

Yeah, they're the sort of people who can talk about their favorite restaurants on multiple continents but who have never visited lower income neighborhoods of their own city. Or who brag about how the friends they made while studying abroad "broadened their horizons" while having no friends with a substantially different class background at home.
103  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ford vs Clinton on: March 29, 2016, 09:05:02 pm
I'll take the city-bashing Nixon goon over the triangulating sexual predator, I guess. It's a difficult choice between two of the worst presidents since the Civil War.
Ford and Clinton are worse than Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, and Jimmy Carter? (and James Garfield, but he died before he could be bad)
Uh... why are you assuming Garfield would have been bad?

A real leader knows how to take a bullet and live, obviously. Tongue
104  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Vote for Hudson as the best historic small town in the US, and do it often on: March 29, 2016, 05:03:39 pm
As much as I would like to see Upstate New York represented in the top ten, I couldn't help but to vote for Bisbee, AZ.
105  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ford vs Clinton on: March 29, 2016, 05:00:10 pm
I'll take the city-bashing Nixon goon over the triangulating sexual predator, I guess. It's a difficult choice between two of the worst presidents since the Civil War.
106  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: More American Students Leaving US for College Education Abroad on: March 29, 2016, 03:30:47 pm
Not inclined to believe this with it taking a deeper look at the numbers. It would imply a dramatic shift over the past several years that I haven't seen described elsewhere.

In my experience "study abroad" - and, in terms of raw numbers, most of this trend consists of single-semester outings, which frequently involve paying regular tuition for one's home university in addition to an array of housing, travel, and administrative fees abroad - is very much mainly an option for students who don't need to finance their own education and who aren't taking out loans. Which, as far as I'm concerned, is appropriate: Most study abroad programs are more tourism than education, anyway. It's not as if more than a small share of undergraduates abroad are seeking out the world's finest experts in their fields of interest, and students typically take classes taught in their native language.

Travel isn't inherently virtuous, and the cross-cultural experience that many students get is more comparable to a week spent in Disneyland than it is to anything that seriously challenges or edifies.
107  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Going to New York on: March 29, 2016, 10:23:59 am
What parts of Upstate are you visiting?
108  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why does Hillary Clinton tend to under-perform expectations? on: March 28, 2016, 10:45:37 pm
She didn't in NY. Lazio was supposed to make it a close race and he got crushed. She won by a huge margin in 06 too despite being "polarizing" and yadda yadda.


Lazio was not a strong candidate. The race was treated as competitive because it looked as though it would be when Giuliani was campaigning as the likely Republican nominee. Following his (very much unexpected) withdrawal, the Republicans decided to try their best even with a much weaker statewide candidate; the election was too important and too high-profile to openly concede, even with slim odds of victory. National coverage mostly bought into this, but local coverage was more grounded in reality.

Statewide conditions were much stronger for Republicans in 2000, but in terms of statewide candidates Lazio was about as formidable as Rob Astorino (if Astorino had a lot more money, which Lazio only had because he was an eleventh-hour replacement candidate in a contest that had already reviewed substantial and nationwide hype).
109  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Strategist: No More Debates Unless Bernie Sanders Changes His Tone. on: March 28, 2016, 10:28:48 pm
...inviting obvious jokes about Clinton only speaking in NYC when there's a six figure paycheck involved.

I know that this is normal process bickering, but the fact that it's happening in Cuomo's NY leaves such a awful taste in my mouth that I can't help getting upset about it. Our primary is almost always too late to matter, and dominated by machines on both sides even when it does. Our state elections are a joke, and most people living here - especially Upstate, of course - feel disenfranchised, disengaged, and disempowered by state government. Our notoriously stage-managed and tight-lipped governor just gave his first open press conference in nine months... on Easter weekend. So it's particularly frustrating that "our" former Senator (whose campaign has been no less stage-managed or insulated from the media and, by extension, the public, than our esteemed governor) would refuse to debate here.

Jesus Christ, do these people ever make it hard for me to vote for them.
110  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What Clinton should do when this is over. on: March 26, 2016, 09:31:17 pm
Literally Beet right now:

111  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Irony Oremine on: March 26, 2016, 09:45:38 am

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112  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nelson Rockefeller on: March 26, 2016, 09:35:39 am
We, as a modern American political spectrum, can agree that this guy was horrible and it's a good thing we've left his sort back in the past.

Speak for yourself.  I'll take a pro-civil rights Rockefeller over the hick trash that gets to define "conservative" today...

It's very unlikely that you're from a social strata that Rockefeller wouldn't have regarded as the equivalent of "hick trash," although that's no guarantee that he would not have taken the first possible opportunity to sleep with your wife...

Mega-HP. Thankfully, his kind are in the party where they belong.

This is an odd statement to make only four years after Mitt Romney won the nomination of a Republican Party chaired by Reince Priebus. As much as we talk about how the Republican Party was reborn in the image of Goldwater's conservatism, Ronald Reagan is the only nominee since 1964 who hasn't had more in common with descendants of the Rockefeller faction.
113  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which candidate's hacks are worse? on: March 26, 2016, 09:12:16 am
The outright hackery is less of an irritant than the constant ridicule and demonization that certain posters insist on inflicting on supporters of anyone other than their preferred candidate.
114  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: 2015 county predictions on: March 25, 2016, 12:54:04 pm
Here are a couple of maps that I drafted based on yesterday's release. The first summarizes the geography of population change over the past year, the second shows change over the past five years. (N.b. These maps do not use the same color scale.)



115  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nelson Rockefeller on: March 24, 2016, 01:28:57 pm
Wasn't he a Niemeyerite in his plans for Albany? HP

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-UCT6J0u8B4

Very much one of those people who cares more about what a place looks like from a helicopter than it does to folks who, you know, actually live and work there. (And that attitude wasn't particular to his approach to architecture and land use, either - it's obvious in his approach to governance and just about every aspect of policy.)
116  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nelson Rockefeller on: March 24, 2016, 11:44:49 am
[Inks]ing horrible.

Oh, and he wanted to demolish my old neighborhood - one of the best, most livable, and most beautiful places in Upstate NY - to build a highway through the middle of Albany. So f*ck him, and thank God that we're mostly rid of his breed of politician.

Where exactly in Albany was this? I suspect it may be near where my best friend currently lives.

Given the neigborhood's profile, I imagine it would be: Center Square / Lark Street / Washington Park. I lived a few blocks from the state capitol on a narrow street that is somehow both quieter and more alive than the residential neighborhood where I now live.
117  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nelson Rockefeller on: March 24, 2016, 10:13:25 am
No single person is more responsible for the Kafka-sequel mess that is state government in New York State. In general, Rockefeller's politics have not aged well. Incidentally, I think that it's people like him who deserve more blame for the rise of Reaganism rather than New Deal Democrats.

Oh, and he wanted to demolish my old neighborhood - one of the best, most livable, and most beautiful places in Upstate NY - to build a highway through the middle of Albany. So f*ck him, and thank God that we're mostly rid of his breed of politician.
118  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Clinton as a president and as a person on: March 23, 2016, 09:44:09 pm
As a person? You don't know him. Simple as that. You can judge him as a figure and politician and president and moral leader if you want, but unless you are his family or close friends you know f-ck all about him to be honest. So take the feathers out of your caps and the sticks out your ass.

God forbid we judge a public figure based on well-documented indiscretions. Cut the sanctimony.

If this is the standard for evaluating someone "as a person" (whatever the hell that even means), there's no reason to exempt friends or family members. Social proximity does not give anyone the ability to read another's soul. If anything, it's likely to be a source of bias. We're likely to see people whom we're close with as inherently good, for obvious reasons.

We can only judge any person by his or her actions, and we know a lot more about how our presidents act than we know about most other people, including even most of the ones whom we know best. If we could make a definitive judgment about anyone, it would be them.
119  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Does hard work pay off? on: March 23, 2016, 06:21:39 pm
I have a feeling that there's not much agreement on what either "hard work" or "paying off" actually means.
120  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP Virgin Islands Delegates Declared Ineligible... on: March 22, 2016, 06:54:57 pm
Does this affect the majority threshold for winning the nomination on the first ballot?
121  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If a dark horse won the Republican nomination, who would you want it to be? on: March 22, 2016, 06:39:48 pm
Bernie Sanders
122  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What do you mainly talk to your friends about on: March 22, 2016, 06:34:50 pm
Lots of things. I don't mind talking about politics or religion as long as it consists of more than jeering at people with different beliefs. Mostly, I just do my best to avoid those topics that I find most boring, i.e. sports, children, shopping, lawn care (excl. trees and gardens), and medical problems.
123  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will win Vermont? on: March 21, 2016, 09:55:43 pm
Projected turnout: 95%

Projected results:

90.3% Sanders / Brown
  2.7% Stein / Kaczynski
  1.3% Trump / Magog
  0.8% Biden / Gillibrand
  4.9% spoiled ballots
 
124  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Bernie Sanders be gracious in defeat? on: March 18, 2016, 08:21:33 pm
If you'd bothered to read anything about the meeting aside from the Clinton campaign's disingenuous  concern trolling, you would know that the encounter between Arpaio and Jane Sanders was unplanned. See here. He saw Jane Sanders when she was visiting "Tent City" and offered her a tour. She accepted the offer and used her time with Arpaio to ask him about conditions in the camp and racial profiling.

125  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Fox News: Trump's Megyn Kelly Tweets Beneath Dignity of Presidential Candidate on: March 18, 2016, 08:13:48 pm
Can anyone who has watched her show tell me why Kelly isn't terrible and unprofessional? I can think of several billion people about whom Trump had made more outrageous comments. Nor am I inclined to take offense over a politician saying mean things about one of Roger Ailes' most ghoulish retainers.
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