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4276  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:The Resignation of Cheif Justice Migrendel on: August 06, 2004, 05:19:19 pm
fritz ought to be appointed to the court Smiley


Thanks for the endorsement  Smiley
4277  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re:Kerry's Speech? on: July 29, 2004, 10:03:44 pm
He was great!  On message, positive, upbeat, even a touch of charisma.  A fine speech.
4278  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re:1912 Republican Primary on: July 29, 2004, 02:43:39 pm
Roosevelt won:

Illinois

New Jersey

Pennsylvania

Arkansas

Colorado

New Jersey

California

Oklahoma

Minnesota


LaFollete Won:

Wisconsin

South Dakota


Taft won:

Massachusetts

The results of the 1912 Republcan Primary

Bur how can that be?  If Roosevelt won so many states in the primary, shouldn't he have been the nominee instead of Taft?
4279  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Resurgence of the Democratic Party! on: July 29, 2004, 12:06:58 am
Okay, I've let this slide for a little while, but I'm back on it!

King has set up a website for us at http://afdems.serverbob.org/forum/.  This is also in my signature.  Would all Democrats please log into the site and leave a message just saying you've been there.  We should make endorsements as a party for the midterm elections, and I would like us to discuss all that on that site.

Let's show this forum that we are a living, breathing party!!!!
4280  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Northeast Constitution - Work in Progress on: July 28, 2004, 11:10:56 pm
Really?  Cause the office holders thread says its the weekend of Oct. 2.
4281  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:ILV for Re-Governor! (ILV Campaign HQ) on: July 28, 2004, 08:12:57 pm
Please, not Kansas.  Or Nebraska.  I'm fine with South Dakota.
4282  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Opening A Libertarian Party on: July 28, 2004, 07:57:52 pm
First thing you need to do is change your registration to Libertarian in the register thread.  If you say that's your party, then that's your party.  Smiley
4283  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:ILV for Re-Governor! (ILV Campaign HQ) on: July 28, 2004, 07:44:39 pm
I vote no on Kansas, at least make it someplace interesting.  Smiley

As for your constitutional amendment, I have a few point to make.

The Home State Voting Reform bill currently under debate in the senate, and likely to pass, states:

1. All federal weekend elections will take place over the course of 72 hours encompassing the entirety of Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, Forum Time.

What does this have to do with our Governor elections?  Well, our region (along with the Pacific and Southeast regions) will be holding Governor elections concurrent with midterm Senate elections.  To make things easier for the voters, I plan to offer these three Governors, yourself included, to put the Governor election in the same ballot/voting booth thread as the other elections.  The Governors are free to turn me down, of course, but I think it will be much less confusing this way.  But, if we do this, the voting time frames need to be the same.

Next point- I have no problem with adding preferential voting to our Governor elections.  But even with PV, there is still a chance a tie could occur (particularly if there are only two candidates).  I think the clause pertaining to ties should be left in.
4284  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:ILV for Re-Governor! (ILV Campaign HQ) on: July 28, 2004, 07:23:52 pm
Kansas?  Can't we be a little more interesting than that?  How about Denver, CO?

What is the wording of the parts of the constitution you are proposing be changed/deleted?  I know I could go look it up myself, I just want you to be clear about what you're proposing.
4285  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Public Poll - Constitutional Amendment on District on: July 28, 2004, 12:14:32 pm
Can we declare voting closed on this?
4286  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Official Districting VOTE for Governors on: July 28, 2004, 12:52:12 am
Just FYI, here's the district map with numbers of registered voters, instead of the census numbers used.

4287  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re:Will Bush get Minnesota? on: July 27, 2004, 11:31:57 pm
It is close, but I'm not worried.  Kerry will take the state.
4288  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:UAC District 5 Primary on: July 27, 2004, 11:20:33 am
The way I see it, the loser of the primary can still run in the general election if he chooses to, but will not have his party's endorsement.
4289  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Governors, your constitutions please on: July 27, 2004, 11:15:11 am
NickG, does the Mideast region have a constitution?
4290  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:UAC District 5 Primary on: July 26, 2004, 02:32:45 pm
GMT?  You better translate that into forum time, which is US Eastern.
4291  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Governors, your constitutions please on: July 26, 2004, 12:05:04 pm
Would each Governor please post a link in this thread to their constitution.  (I understand the Northeast region is still working on theirs.)  Once that is done, let's have StevenNick post a link to this thread in the Atlas Forum Headquarters.

Thank You,
Fritz
4292  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 26, 2004, 11:07:16 am
The system doesn't work to deny those who receive a plurality of votes from winning, in fact I believe you are the first to receive a plurality who has lost the election although I may be mistaken on that.

To be completely accurate, I believe that Nym90 won the last Presidential election with a plurality of first preferences.  Gustaf won the election after StevenNick's second preferences were counted.
4293  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Coalition to Protect Preferential Voting on: July 26, 2004, 10:21:28 am
Thanks for the info on Bergie72.  If there are other mistakes you know of, you need to let me know (in that thread, preferably).  Smiley

And yes, I did mean I updated it today.  I'm not going to update it every time there's a minor change or a new person, but will when there seems to be an interest in having a current list (as I noticed today), or when the list has had a number of changes.
4294  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Coalition to Protect Preferential Voting on: July 26, 2004, 09:55:59 am
By the way, there is a complete list of all registered voters in the forum, sorted by party and sorted by state, in the Office of the Secretary of Forum Affairs.  And I just updated it with the most current information for you.
4295  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 11:06:54 pm
Hey all you guys say how this is what the people want and I respect your opinions. However, how do you feel about the poll located on this thread? We've been arguing but have you looked at the results of this? The people obviously don't like this system, contrary to what some here belief.

Yes, the yes votes are catching up.
4296  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 11:03:35 pm
Oh, I see...you're suggesting a system that actually is unfair, and comparing it to PV.  Well in this case, it really isnt the same.
4297  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:55:30 pm
And since we aren't doing one vote per person, why aren't we allowed to do the following...

1) Keystone Phil
2) Keystone Phil

See what I'm saying? I could have won that way while others would be divided on the second ballot. But wait...that is unfair, though! You're voting for someone more than once! Yep, I am. Just as others did in this election. One vote per person.

You wouldn't have won by doing that.  You clearly don't understand how preferential voting works.  Only the 2nd place votes of previously eliminated candidates are counted!

My second vote would go to my second vote count. I DO know how this works. Akno's second vote tally added to his first had him win. If everyone that supported me did that, it would have been added on and I could have won. It's unfair though. Just like preferential voting.

And no, you don't understand how this works.  You were never eliminated, so the 2nd choices of people voting for you were never counted.  So even if everyone voting for you had filled out their ballot with Keystone Phil as their first, second, third, and fourth choice, the outcome would have been no different.
4298  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:50:15 pm
How are the situations different?  Earlier in this thread, you posted: One person = one vote.  If you truly believe that, than you have to admit that the EV system unfairly gave the election to the loser.

I am in favor of keeping EV, by the way.  My point is, we have a system, everyone knows what the rules are, and by the rules in place, Bush won.  Same thing here.

If you advocate repealing PV here but not EV in the USA, you are obviously favoring whatever system happens to be advantageous to you politically, and this is not based on any deep concept of what is fair or unfair.
4299  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Coalition to Protect Preferential Voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:42:47 pm
My my States, a little grumpy tonight, aren't we?

4300  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:35:47 pm
Anyone in favor of repealing PV on the forum ought to also be in favor of repealing the EV system in the United States.  One person, one vote, right?  And its not fair that the guy with the most votes lost the election.

Don't you agree, Phil?
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