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4276  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Runoff Election to be held in District 4 on: August 24, 2004, 06:41:17 am
Ernest's registration of August 14 was merely a change of party.  He was registered prior to that, so his vote is valid.
4277  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Runoff Election to be held in District 4 on: August 23, 2004, 09:44:06 pm
Is this open only to those 16 who voted last week, or to any D4 resident [ie, nclib]?

Open to all District 4 residents who were eligible to vote in District 4 this last weekend.
4278  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Runoff Election to be held in District 4 on: August 23, 2004, 09:38:11 pm
Fellow Atlasians,

The Senate election in District 4 has been declared a tie between Senator Harry and Josh22.  If you need to see the details of this turn of events, visit this thread.

Unless one of the candidates chooses to concede and withdraw, or unless this matter is brought before the court, a runoff election between the tied candidates will be held this weekend, August 27-29.

As this is a runoff election, write-in votes will not be permitted.  Voters in District 4 may vote only for one of the two candidates who were tied in the election.


Thank you,
Fritz
4279  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:VIVA LA REVOLUTION! on: August 23, 2004, 05:56:05 pm
Whew!  Glad you were just kidding.
4280  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:A Lawsuit to be filed concerning District 4. on: August 23, 2004, 05:05:25 pm
Hmmm, Ernest voted in the election, casting a ballot and everything.  I think his vote should be counted as valid.

It isn't not being counted, it is just it was counted as a first preference for you which it wasn't and as the vote totals were equal but you received one more first preference you won, he is saying he didn't first preference you so that result was incorrect.

Exactly.  Ernests vote is counted as valid.  And I have changed his vote in the declared results, indicating that he did not first preference Harry (see the fourth post in this thread for details).

The issue that remains is with Kodratos's vote, not Ernest's.  If Kodratos's vote is counted as valid (I think it should be), then we have a tie, and we will have to hold a new election.  I am just waiting to see if Harry wants to challenge Kodratos's vote.  If he doesn't, I'll announce a new election to be held.
4281  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Breaking News from CNN on: August 23, 2004, 04:55:49 pm
I do have Registration with the GOP in IOWA

No, you don't.  I am the Secretary of Forum Affairs, my records say you're not registered.  And it will take you less time to register than it will take me to argue the point.  I'm not going to waste any more time on it.  Even if you did register to vote at one time, it would have been nullified by now because you never vote.

Just register to vote.  End of discussion.
4282  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Supersoulty Announces: No Second Run on: August 23, 2004, 03:56:41 pm
How are the responsibilities split between the Vice-President and the PPT of the Senate?  I mean, the VP is supposed to be President of the Senate, but it seems like the PPT more often fills that function.
4283  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Breaking News from CNN on: August 23, 2004, 03:27:22 pm

And while we're on the subject of the Presidential Election, I should get working on our primary schedule.  Wink

Some of us party chairmen have already started doing that....  Smiley
4284  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re:Office of the Secretary of Forum Affairs on: August 23, 2004, 03:11:03 pm
Fritz, would it be possible to provide me with a list of those who now hold an asterisk along with those who previously held one and were deleted?

JFK, I just remembered...I did too keep a record!  DUH, Sorry about that....

These are the members who had asterisks on the previous voting lists, and are now eliminated:

Dunn*   P   NY
Esteban Manuel*   D   PA
PollsareCool*   I   MA
Klrbzzz*   I   KY
Apostle*   JCP   WA
Jravnsbro*   R   SD
Neil A*   I   OR
NickSmith52*   D   OR


As for who has asterisks now, just look at the current list.  Smiley
4285  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:A Lawsuit to be filed concerning District 4. on: August 23, 2004, 03:03:48 pm
We have had elections previously carried out with the 72-hour time frame used in these elections- in the June elections, both Senate (all A seats) and President/Vice-President.  This was before I was appointed to my current post.

Nobody complained about it then.

With that precedent, and with the Home State Voting Reform Amendment well on its way to passage, I saw no problem with conducting the elections with this time frame.  And there are a few voters that it was helpful for.
4286  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Breaking News from CNN on: August 23, 2004, 01:11:16 pm
And if he is serious (I don't think he is), he must first register to vote.
4287  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:A Lawsuit to be filed concerning District 4. on: August 23, 2004, 11:48:13 am
Does Ernest, or Harry, or anyone else, want to contest Kodratos's vote in court?  Or should we just go ahead with a runoff election?
4288  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re:Office of the Secretary of Forum Affairs on: August 23, 2004, 11:33:15 am
Where would I go for a clarification of a Supreme Court ruling?

Tongue

To the Supreme Court, I suppose.  Smiley  KEmporer, Nym90 or MAS117.
4289  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re:Office of the Secretary of Forum Affairs on: August 23, 2004, 11:30:56 am
I am sorry JFK, but I didn't actually keep a record of the ones who were deleted.  Sad  Next time I will.
4290  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re:Office of the Secretary of Forum Affairs on: August 23, 2004, 11:15:03 am
The lists of registered voters, on the second and third posts of this thread, have been updated.

Members who previously had an asterisk by their name, and did not vote in the last election, were removed from the lists.

I have put new asterisks by member names, indicating who will be eliminated if they do not vote in October.

I was a little more ruthless with the asterisks this time.  Basically everyone who did not vote in the last election has been given an asterisk, unless:

1. The member voted in one of the special elections held in July, or

2. The member registered to vote in July or August (which is being somewhat liberal with this, but I had to put the cut-off somewhere), or

3. The member was an official candidate for office in the last election (I think this qualifies as participating in the election, even if they failed to vote).


Fritz
4291  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:A Lawsuit to be filed concerning District 4. on: August 23, 2004, 10:44:27 am
Ernest,

Here are the District 4B results I declared:

DISTRICT 4B

First preference votes:
Harry- 8
Josh22- 7, or 6 (one vote is disputed)
WalterMitty- 1
WalterMitty is eliminated.

Final run-off:
Harry- 8
Josh- 8 (assuming we count the disputed vote as valid)

Tie-breaker, counting first preference votes only:
Harry- 8
Josh- 7
Harry wins.



As you correctly point out, you did not list Harry as your first preference.  The actual results should have been as follows:

DISTRICT 4B

First preference votes:
Harry- 7
Josh22- 7, or 6 (one vote is disputed)
WalterMitty- 1
Anyone- 1
WalterMitty and anyone are eliminated.

Final run-off:
Harry- 8
Josh- 8 (assuming we count the disputed vote as valid)

Outcome: TIE


There is still the matter of the disputed vote cast by Kodratos.  The vote was posted, edited, deleted, and posted again.

If no one legally challenges the legitimacy of that vote, I will concede that this election was an unbreakable tie, and a new election must be held.

If Kodratos’s vote is challenged, and declared invalid, Harry will be the winner.
4292  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:A Lawsuit to be filed concerning District 4. on: August 23, 2004, 09:23:18 am
I underrstand your reasoning here, but why are you trying to overturn the election of Harry in favor of Josh?  You did preference Harry above Josh.  Are you just trying to make a legal point?
4293  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:First C.E.S [draft] Recommendation: Banning of Write In Candidates on: August 23, 2004, 07:13:06 am
I ws thinking these exact things when I went to sleep this morning.

The same thing happened in D1.  You had a left candidate (Handzus), a center candidate (Andrew), and a right candidate (Phil).  Phils voters did not put down ssecond preferences.  If they had, we would most likely have Andrew in the Senate now.  Because they did not, they are stuck with Handzus.

So thats two elections where the Republicans inadvertently elected the furthest left candidate, by not listing second preferences.
4294  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Could I get the SoFA or a member of the supreme court to comment... on: August 23, 2004, 07:01:16 am
I agree with KEmporer
4295  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:The Election Weekend Discussion Thread on: August 23, 2004, 01:19:24 am
Oh, really?  I dont know about Governor races, but the UAC only ran one candidate for Senate- Mr. Hobbes.  Of the 6 UAC members voting in that election, 3 of them voted for Hobbes- yourself included, I might add.  Smiley  The other 3 put Hobbes as second preference.

Hmm, I think I was counting .Andrew as UAC, and MAS117 as well. Oh well. And you actually made my point for me about Mr. Hobbes - only half the UAC in D5 voted for him! Smiley And for the record, I would've voted for Mr. Hobbes anyway since his positions are closest to mine. But StevenNick is a good Senator and I'm glad he's there to counterbalance the far-left tilt in the Senate (then again, Migrendel won (did he even vote?) and he can tilt anything far-left all by himself Wink ). What a wild election...

I forgot about them, because they were write-in.

In D1, ALL 5 of the UAC voters who voted, voted for Andrew!!!!

You're right about MAS117, no one voted for him...probably because he announced so late.
4296  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re:Atlas Forum Supreme Court Case: Akno21 vs. Fritz on: August 22, 2004, 11:29:03 pm
Honorable Justices of the Supreme Court,

I thank your honors for the opportunity to present evidence in this case.  The disqualification of a questionable vote is a serious matter, and a decision I feel that the Court is better qualified to make, than I as Secretary of Forum Affairs.

Here is a quote of the vote being called into question:

RReagan117

We all recall the debacle of the recounts that occurred in the State of Florida in the 2000 U.S. Presidential election.  Those counting the ballots had to examine them for hanging chads, dimpled chads, etc.  The objective of this exercise was to determine the intent of the voter.

That is what I have attempted to do in the current case.  My initial reaction was that the intent of the voter was clearly to cast a vote for RReagan4EVER.  Thus, I ruled accordingly.

Since making that decision, I have heard compelling arguments, notably from Keystone Phil and Senator John F. Kennedy, that the intent of the voter was not abundantly clear in this case.  The name given in the vote is a combination of 2 names that are both candidates for the office.

It should also be noted that the candidate himself, RReagan4EVER, has stated his opinion that he does not feel the vote should be counted as a vote for him:

I agree. The vote should not be counted.

For these reasons, I ask the Court to reverse my earlier decision, disqualify the vote, and declare Senator Akno21 the winner of this election.

Again I thank the Court for hearing my testimony.  I trust your honors to consider all the evidence presented carefully, and reach a fair and legal decision in this matter.
4297  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Final Vote Totals on: August 22, 2004, 11:23:43 pm
One mistake I made in that post of mine you copied- its PlatypeanArchcow in the final run-off against StevenNick.  I fixed this in my post on the voting thread.
4298  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re:Official Senate Elections Voting Booth- August 20-22 on: August 22, 2004, 11:08:06 pm
Voting is now closed.

FINAL SENATE ELECTION RESULTS


DISTRICT 1B

First preference votes:
Handzus26- 7
.Andrew- 5
Keystone Phil- 5

Tie-breaker between .Andrew and Keystone Phil:
.Andrew- 10
Keystone Phil- 5
Keystone Phil is eliminated.

Final run-off:
Handzus26- 7
.Andrew- 5
Handzus26 wins.


DISTRICT 2A

One vote is in dispute.  If that vote is counted, the final result is:

First preference votes:
RReagan4EVER- 9
Akno21- 8
Al- 1
MAS117- 1
Al and MAS117 are eliminated.

Final run-off:
RReagan4EVER- 9
Akno21- 9

Tie-breaker, counting first preference votes only:
RReagan4EVER- 9
Akno21- 8
RReagan4EVER wins.


If the disputed vote is disqualified, the final result is:

First preference votes:
RReagan4EVER- 8
Akno21- 8
Al- 1
MAS117- 1
Al and MAS117 are eliminated.

Final run-off:
Akno21- 9
RReagan4EVER- 8
Akno21 wins.

Outcome of this election is pending a decision by the Supreme Court.  I will present evidence to the Court on this matter in the thread titled “Atlas Forum Supreme Court Case: Akno21 vs. Fritz” in the Government forum.


DISTRICT 2B

First preference votes:
Bono- 5
Migrendel- 3
Umengus- 3

Tie-breaker between Migrendel and Umengus:
This tie is impossible to break in the usual manner, because none of the voters for Bono listed either of the other two candidates as second preference.  Counting second preferences for Migrendel and Umengus among all voters:
Migrendel- 3
Umengus- 2
Umengus is eliminated.

Final run-off:
Migrendel- 6
Bono-5
Migrendel wins.


DISTRICT 3B

First preference votes:
Texasgurl- 7
Demrepdan- 6
Texasgurl wins.


DISTRICT 4B

First preference votes:
Harry- 8
Josh22- 7, or 6 (one vote is disputed)
WalterMitty- 1
WalterMitty is eliminated.

Final run-off:
Harry- 8
Josh- 8 (assuming we count the disputed vote as valid)

Tie-breaker, counting first preference votes only:
Harry- 8
Josh- 7
Harry wins.


DISTRICT 5B

First preference votes:
StevenNick- 6
PlatypeanArchcow- 4
Mr. Hobbes- 3
Mr. Hobbes is eliminated.

Final run-off:
StevenNick- 9
PlatypeanArchcow- 4
StevenNick wins.
4299  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:For Semi-Live Results of this Week's Election... on: August 22, 2004, 08:43:57 pm
He will in court tomorrow, I'm sure.
4300  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:The Election Weekend Discussion Thread on: August 22, 2004, 08:32:04 pm
Oh, really?  I dont know about Governor races, but the UAC only ran one candidate for Senate- Mr. Hobbes.  Of the 6 UAC members voting in that election, 3 of them voted for Hobbes- yourself included, I might add.  Smiley  The other 3 put Hobbes as second preference.
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