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4276  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Public Poll - Constitutional Amendment on District on: July 28, 2004, 12:14:32 pm
Can we declare voting closed on this?
4277  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Official Districting VOTE for Governors on: July 28, 2004, 12:52:12 am
Just FYI, here's the district map with numbers of registered voters, instead of the census numbers used.

4278  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re:Will Bush get Minnesota? on: July 27, 2004, 11:31:57 pm
It is close, but I'm not worried.  Kerry will take the state.
4279  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:UAC District 5 Primary on: July 27, 2004, 11:20:33 am
The way I see it, the loser of the primary can still run in the general election if he chooses to, but will not have his party's endorsement.
4280  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Governors, your constitutions please on: July 27, 2004, 11:15:11 am
NickG, does the Mideast region have a constitution?
4281  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:UAC District 5 Primary on: July 26, 2004, 02:32:45 pm
GMT?  You better translate that into forum time, which is US Eastern.
4282  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Governors, your constitutions please on: July 26, 2004, 12:05:04 pm
Would each Governor please post a link in this thread to their constitution.  (I understand the Northeast region is still working on theirs.)  Once that is done, let's have StevenNick post a link to this thread in the Atlas Forum Headquarters.

Thank You,
Fritz
4283  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 26, 2004, 11:07:16 am
The system doesn't work to deny those who receive a plurality of votes from winning, in fact I believe you are the first to receive a plurality who has lost the election although I may be mistaken on that.

To be completely accurate, I believe that Nym90 won the last Presidential election with a plurality of first preferences.  Gustaf won the election after StevenNick's second preferences were counted.
4284  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Coalition to Protect Preferential Voting on: July 26, 2004, 10:21:28 am
Thanks for the info on Bergie72.  If there are other mistakes you know of, you need to let me know (in that thread, preferably).  Smiley

And yes, I did mean I updated it today.  I'm not going to update it every time there's a minor change or a new person, but will when there seems to be an interest in having a current list (as I noticed today), or when the list has had a number of changes.
4285  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Coalition to Protect Preferential Voting on: July 26, 2004, 09:55:59 am
By the way, there is a complete list of all registered voters in the forum, sorted by party and sorted by state, in the Office of the Secretary of Forum Affairs.  And I just updated it with the most current information for you.
4286  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 11:06:54 pm
Hey all you guys say how this is what the people want and I respect your opinions. However, how do you feel about the poll located on this thread? We've been arguing but have you looked at the results of this? The people obviously don't like this system, contrary to what some here belief.

Yes, the yes votes are catching up.
4287  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 11:03:35 pm
Oh, I see...you're suggesting a system that actually is unfair, and comparing it to PV.  Well in this case, it really isnt the same.
4288  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:55:30 pm
And since we aren't doing one vote per person, why aren't we allowed to do the following...

1) Keystone Phil
2) Keystone Phil

See what I'm saying? I could have won that way while others would be divided on the second ballot. But wait...that is unfair, though! You're voting for someone more than once! Yep, I am. Just as others did in this election. One vote per person.

You wouldn't have won by doing that.  You clearly don't understand how preferential voting works.  Only the 2nd place votes of previously eliminated candidates are counted!

My second vote would go to my second vote count. I DO know how this works. Akno's second vote tally added to his first had him win. If everyone that supported me did that, it would have been added on and I could have won. It's unfair though. Just like preferential voting.

And no, you don't understand how this works.  You were never eliminated, so the 2nd choices of people voting for you were never counted.  So even if everyone voting for you had filled out their ballot with Keystone Phil as their first, second, third, and fourth choice, the outcome would have been no different.
4289  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:50:15 pm
How are the situations different?  Earlier in this thread, you posted: One person = one vote.  If you truly believe that, than you have to admit that the EV system unfairly gave the election to the loser.

I am in favor of keeping EV, by the way.  My point is, we have a system, everyone knows what the rules are, and by the rules in place, Bush won.  Same thing here.

If you advocate repealing PV here but not EV in the USA, you are obviously favoring whatever system happens to be advantageous to you politically, and this is not based on any deep concept of what is fair or unfair.
4290  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Coalition to Protect Preferential Voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:42:47 pm
My my States, a little grumpy tonight, aren't we?

4291  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 10:35:47 pm
Anyone in favor of repealing PV on the forum ought to also be in favor of repealing the EV system in the United States.  One person, one vote, right?  And its not fair that the guy with the most votes lost the election.

Don't you agree, Phil?
4292  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re:Favorite state to live in on: July 25, 2004, 08:28:23 pm
Absolutely Hawaii, if I could ever afford it.
4293  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re:Worst US State on: July 25, 2004, 08:27:29 pm
How about Alaska?  I mean sure, beautiful country there, be a good spot to vacation in the summer.  Winters in Minnesota are cold enough, I think.
4294  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Bullmoose88 Concession on: July 25, 2004, 06:23:28 pm
At this point in time, you appear to be unopposed.  I don't know if Tweed plans to run, or if Keystone Phil or NickG want to jump back in....
4295  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Districts and Regions Maps on: July 25, 2004, 06:17:42 pm
There was an extended forum-wide debate on that issue; this was before we even had a senate.  In the end the region map we have was approved of by the voters and, despite the fact that it contradicts the constitution, was adopted.
4296  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Bullmoose88 Concession on: July 25, 2004, 06:00:37 pm
Handzus, will you be running against Akno (old district 2, 2-month term) or in the new district 1 (4-month term)?
4297  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Poll on preferential voting on: July 25, 2004, 05:50:44 pm
Our Senate is considering a bill to repeal preferential voting.  Voice your opinion on this issue by voting in this poll.  This is completely unofficial, of course.
4298  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Districts and Regions Maps on: July 25, 2004, 05:32:51 pm
We really should change it so that we start in the North-East and work our way round, heh. I don't think the last districts were numbered like that but I may be wrong.

No, if we had really been following the rule last time, districts 2 and 3 should have been reversed.  Unless you don't count DC as a state, then it was fine the way it was.
4299  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Important note regarding District 2 Senate elections on: July 25, 2004, 05:28:35 pm
That may get confusing Fritz. One Senate race in the old District, one in the new.

I'll try to make it as un-confusing as I possibly can.  Wink

If we're lucky, no one will oppose Akno to retain his seat, making the real elections in the new districts.
4300  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re:Important note regarding District 2 Senate elections on: July 25, 2004, 05:05:35 pm
I think the reason for using the old district lines is, every other "A" senator (in office until October) represents the old districts.  This is an "A" seat.
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