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3676  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: World Countries with a Population of Less Than One Million Survivor Round 9 on: May 26, 2010, 02:12:30 pm



Brunei 5
Barbados 4

Samoa 1
Iceland 1
San Marino 1

Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas ELIMINATED ROUND 7
Bahrain ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Barbados ELIMINATED ROUND 8
Belize
Bhutan
Brunei ELIMINATED ROUND 8
Cape Verde
Comoros
Cyprus
Djibouti ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Dominica
Equatorial Guinea ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Federated States of Micronesia
Fiji
Grenada
Guyana
Iceland
Kiribati
Liechtenstein ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Luxembourg
Maldives
Malta
Marshall Islands ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Monaco ELIMINATED ROUND 1
Montenegro
Nauru ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Palau ELIMINATED ROUND 6
Saint Kitts and Nevis ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Saint Lucia ELIMINATED ROUND 7
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines ELIMINATED ROUND 6
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Seychelles
Solomon Islands
Suriname
Tonga
Tuvalu ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Vanuatu
Vatican City ELIMINATED ROUND 1

ROUND 1 RESULTS: Vatican City 9, Monaco 8, Liechtenstein 2, Andorra 2, Equatorial Guinea 1
ROUND 2 RESULTS: Liechtenstein 5, Equatorial Guinea 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), Bahrain 3 (no votes in previous rounds), Nauru 1
ROUND 3 RESULTS: Nauru 5, Tuvalu 4, Palau 3, Bahrain 2
ROUND 4 RESULTS: Bahrain 4, St. Kitts and Nevis 3, Marshall Islands 2, Djibouti 2, Palau 1, San Marino 1
ROUND 5 RESULTS: Marshall Islands 5, Djibouti 4, Guyana 2, St. Vincent and the Grenadines 2, Bahamas 1
ROUND 6 RESULTS: St. Vincent and the Grenadines 5, Palau 3 (4 votes in previous rounds), Bahamas 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), St. Lucia 2, Samoa 1
ROUND 7 RESULTS: St. Lucia 4, Bahamas 3, Comoros 1, Cyprus 1, Samoa 1
ROUND 8 RESULTS: Brunei 5, Barbados 4, Samoa 1, Iceland 1, San Marino 1

Round 9 is open, and will close no earlier than 3:15 pm ET on Thursday, May 27th. Remember to vote to eliminate two countries.
3677  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: U.S. Secretaries of State Survivor on: May 25, 2010, 10:32:04 pm
Randolph
Gresham
Baker
Upsher
3678  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Secretaries of Defense Survivor on: May 25, 2010, 10:22:17 pm
Gates
3679  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Presidential Election Losers Survivor on: May 25, 2010, 03:20:13 pm
Fremont
3680  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Alternate US States on: May 25, 2010, 12:23:01 pm
As I said above, "gerrymandering" was probably not the best choice of words. I was merely trying to get the point across that the states are more polarized, and for that reason there haven't been any real surprises thus far. I also agree with you that political polarization is rather unavoidable when using your other criteria for dividing the states.
3681  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Presidential Election Losers Survivor on: May 25, 2010, 11:51:57 am
James G. Blaine (The Liar From the State of Maine)

That's "The Continental Liar From the State of Maine." Get it right! Tongue
3682  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: World Countries with a Population of Less Than One Million Survivor Round 8 on: May 25, 2010, 11:39:30 am



Saint Lucia 4
Bahamas 3

Comoros 1
Cyprus 1
Samoa 1

Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas ELIMINATED ROUND 7
Bahrain ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Barbados
Belize
Bhutan
Brunei
Cape Verde
Comoros
Cyprus
Djibouti ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Dominica
Equatorial Guinea ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Federated States of Micronesia
Fiji
Grenada
Guyana
Iceland
Kiribati
Liechtenstein ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Luxembourg
Maldives
Malta
Marshall Islands ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Monaco ELIMINATED ROUND 1
Montenegro
Nauru ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Palau ELIMINATED ROUND 6
Saint Kitts and Nevis ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Saint Lucia ELIMINATED ROUND 7
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines ELIMINATED ROUND 6
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Seychelles
Solomon Islands
Suriname
Tonga
Tuvalu ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Vanuatu
Vatican City ELIMINATED ROUND 1

ROUND 1 RESULTS: Vatican City 9, Monaco 8, Liechtenstein 2, Andorra 2, Equatorial Guinea 1
ROUND 2 RESULTS: Liechtenstein 5, Equatorial Guinea 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), Bahrain 3 (no votes in previous rounds), Nauru 1
ROUND 3 RESULTS: Nauru 5, Tuvalu 4, Palau 3, Bahrain 2
ROUND 4 RESULTS: Bahrain 4, St. Kitts and Nevis 3, Marshall Islands 2, Djibouti 2, Palau 1, San Marino 1
ROUND 5 RESULTS: Marshall Islands 5, Djibouti 4, Guyana 2, St. Vincent and the Grenadines 2, Bahamas 1
ROUND 6 RESULTS: St. Vincent and the Grenadines 5, Palau 3 (4 votes in previous rounds), Bahamas 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), St. Lucia 2, Samoa 1
ROUND 7 RESULTS: St. Lucia 4, Bahamas 3, Comoros 1, Cyprus 1, Samoa 1

Round 8 is open, and will close no earlier than 12:45 pm ET on Wednesday, May 26th. Remember to vote to eliminate two countries.
3683  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Alternate US States on: May 24, 2010, 10:41:30 pm
Well, I'm quite disappointed to see there is absoutely no comment about the new states themselves, their politics and if they fit with what you expected. IMO, Midwest is a quite interesting region regarding the State borders modifications...

Part of the problem there is that you've essentially gerrymandered the state boundaries, so there are very few surprises. Everything is going as expected.

Gerrymandered ? Roll Eyes
Every State change is based on intra-state regions, at least taking into account the State's size. If what you meant is that the new states created are more politically characterized, fair enough, but how to avoid it ? If you had to split NY in two States, wouldn't you do one State with NYC metro and the other with the upstate ? If you choose to split a state in a way which will make two new similar states, then you'd have to gerrymander.
And BTW, I perfectly know it's possible to give a kind of prediction of how the State will go. however, you can only make an aproximative prediction. You can imagine if a stae will be safe dem/rep or if he'll be close, but not precisely how much it will be dem/rep, if it will be more or less democratic than the national margin, etc. For example, I expected Allegheny to be far closer, and Indiana to remain democrat. And even now, would you be able to say precisely if Obama will win California above the national margin ? If Rio Grande will be a democratic stronghold, or just a dem-leaning State ? If you do, then you are far better than me.

To bgwah : you are right indeed, and I will try to correct this as soon as possible, as I realized that it was quite unfair. However, as I saw there, there is also a "central Washington" located between my separation line and yours. The reason why I chose to let central Washington to WA is because I didn't want to make it too small, and to make BS too big in terms of population. Anyways, I now think it is possible to find an arangement about this line. I'll start to work on it later.

And now, let's come back to another State.



Chicago


Corresponding to the biggest extension of Chicago Metropolitan area, CH would obviously be dominated by its homonymous city (and of course capital). This domination would play a determinating role in the State's politics, as the votes coming from Cook County represented half of its total votes in 2008. As a result, CH is an overwhelmingly democratic State, and would have been safe since decades. The 2008 results are pretty similar to those of NY (which isn't surprising considering their demographical similarity), though slightly closer.

CH county map :


Barack Obama : 2,720,995 (66.93%) => 16 EVs
John McCain : 1,296,268 (31.88%)
Others : 48,186 (1.19%)


LNPI : +27.78 => dem stronghold.
Obviously, and all the more that "home State effect" would play even better there, Obama would carry Chicago by an overwhelming margin, getting more than two thirds of the total vote. And obviously again, Cook county would make it impossible for any Republican to carry this State. Just immagine : in a situation of tie in the State, McCain would've carried every single county except Cook, and would be below 60% only in Cook, Will, DeKalb, Lake (IL), LaPorte, Lake (IN) and Kenosha counties. Despite that, Obama would still carry Cook county with 58.69% of the votes. The big question now is how the remaining part of Illinois will vote (perhaps you know that, Vazdul Wink), in order to determine which party will actually benefit to the split. Indeed, the inclusion of Chicago in Illinois IRL had secured it for democrats, and the separation with the rest of Illinois, while creating this democratic stronghold, may at last give "true" Illinois to the republicans.

Perhaps the use of the word "gerrymandered" was a bit harsh, but:

1. You yourself have admitted to taking politics into consideration when determining where to draw the state boundaries, and
2. Like it or not, the new states that have resulted from your divisions are much more polarized than their RL counterparts.

Allegheny was not a very big surprise for me- it is a traditionally Democratic state that recently has seen rapid shifts toward the GOP, similarly to West Virginia.

Likewise, Indiana was no shocker either. RL Indiana voted for Obama only narrowly, and only because of his huge margins in the Chicago Metro area. Take that area out, and you're left with a very Republican state indeed.

I will admit that the most interesting states are yet to come, particularly Rio Grande, Nevada, and California. It looks as though Rio Grande might have enough of Republican central Texas to make things interesting. You've given Nevada some of California's most Republican areas, which could mean a competetive state becomes a Republican-leaning state. California looks fairly Republican to me, but I still think the results will be pretty interesting.

As for my prediction for the remainder of Illinois (since you called me out on it Wink ), I predict that Obama carried it, but that this result is an anomaly caused by a combination of the Favorite Son Factor and a favorable year for Democrats. In most elections, Illinois would be classed as Likely Republican.
3684  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: True Justice: Gantt beats Helms in 1990! on: May 24, 2010, 09:53:34 pm
Glad to see it back.
3685  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Presidential Election Losers Survivor on: May 24, 2010, 09:21:22 pm
Fremont
3686  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Secretaries of Defense Survivor on: May 24, 2010, 08:56:59 am
3687  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: World Countries with a Population of Less Than One Million Survivor Round 7 on: May 24, 2010, 01:00:11 am



St. Vincent and the Grenadines 5
Palau 3 (4 votes in previous rounds)

Bahamas 3 (1 vote in previous rounds)
St. Lucia 2
Samoa 1

Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Barbados
Belize
Bhutan
Brunei
Cape Verde
Comoros
Cyprus
Djibouti ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Dominica
Equatorial Guinea ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Federated States of Micronesia
Fiji
Grenada
Guyana
Iceland
Kiribati
Liechtenstein ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Luxembourg
Maldives
Malta
Marshall Islands ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Monaco ELIMINATED ROUND 1
Montenegro
Nauru ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Palau ELIMINATED ROUND 6
Saint Kitts and Nevis ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines ELIMINATED ROUND 6
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Seychelles
Solomon Islands
Suriname
Tonga
Tuvalu ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Vanuatu
Vatican City ELIMINATED ROUND 1

ROUND 1 RESULTS: Vatican City 9, Monaco 8, Liechtenstein 2, Andorra 2, Equatorial Guinea 1
ROUND 2 RESULTS: Liechtenstein 5, Equatorial Guinea 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), Bahrain 3 (no votes in previous rounds), Nauru 1
ROUND 3 RESULTS: Nauru 5, Tuvalu 4, Palau 3, Bahrain 2
ROUND 4 RESULTS: Bahrain 4, St. Kitts and Nevis 3, Marshall Islands 2, Djibouti 2, Palau 1, San Marino 1
ROUND 5 RESULTS: Marshall Islands 5, Djibouti 4, Guyana 2, St. Vincent and the Grenadines 2, Bahamas 1
ROUND 6 RESULTS: St. Vincent and the Grenadines 5, Palau 3 (4 votes in previous rounds), Bahamas 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), St. Lucia 2, Samoa 1

Round 7 is open, and will close no earlier than 2:00 am ET on Tuesday, May 25th. Remember to vote to eliminate two countries.
3688  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Presidential Election Losers Survivor on: May 23, 2010, 04:05:07 pm
John Quincy Adams
3689  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: 1960-2008: United States Parliament on: May 23, 2010, 12:42:43 am
3690  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: World Countries with a Population of Less Than One Million Survivor Round 6 on: May 23, 2010, 12:21:28 am



Marshall Islands 5
Djibouti 4

Guyana 2
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 2
Bahamas 1

Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Barbados
Belize
Bhutan
Brunei
Cape Verde
Comoros
Cyprus
Djibouti ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Dominica
Equatorial Guinea ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Federated States of Micronesia
Fiji
Grenada
Guyana
Iceland
Kiribati
Liechtenstein ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Luxembourg
Maldives
Malta
Marshall Islands ELIMINATED ROUND 5
Monaco ELIMINATED ROUND 1
Montenegro
Nauru ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Palau
Saint Kitts and Nevis ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Seychelles
Solomon Islands
Suriname
Tonga
Tuvalu ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Vanuatu
Vatican City ELIMINATED ROUND 1

ROUND 1 RESULTS: Vatican City 9, Monaco 8, Liechtenstein 2, Andorra 2, Equatorial Guinea 1
ROUND 2 RESULTS: Liechtenstein 5, Equatorial Guinea 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), Bahrain 3 (no votes in previous rounds), Nauru 1
ROUND 3 RESULTS: Nauru 5, Tuvalu 4, Palau 3, Bahrain 2
ROUND 4 RESULTS: Bahrain 4, Saint Kitts and Nevis 3, Marshall Islands 2, Djibouti 2, Palau 1, San Marino 1
ROUND 5 RESULTS: Marshall Islands 5, Djibouti 4, Guyana 2, St. Vincent and the Grenadines 2, Bahamas 1

Round 6 is open, and will close no earlier than 1:30 am ET on Monday, May 24th. Remember to vote to eliminate two countries.
3691  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Secretaries of Defense Survivor on: May 23, 2010, 12:04:10 am
Donald Rumsfeld (Bush Jr. Administration)
3692  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: United States Cities Survivor on: May 23, 2010, 12:02:54 am
Wichita
3693  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: US Presidential Election Losers Survivor on: May 22, 2010, 04:31:29 pm
Quincy Adams
3694  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A Progressive America on: May 22, 2010, 03:14:45 pm
Happy to hear this is making a comeback.
3695  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dewey Elected-1948-2010 on: May 22, 2010, 03:14:02 pm
Interesting development, having the Democrats nominate Eisenhower. Can't wait to see what the Republicans do to counter Ike.
3696  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Top congressional districts with the highest of various ancestries on: May 21, 2010, 08:27:22 pm
No, it was a campaign to write-in "American" rather than your actual ancestry to "assert your American-ness" that caught fire in Appalachia in 2000 (and will probably be repeated in this Census).

That sort of thing can, which is quite interesting. Around 14% of people in Wales wrote 'Welsh' on their census forms back in 2001.

The difference there being that there is (or a least was, historically speaking) a real Welsh culture, complete with its own language, which is distinct from other cultures in Britain, whereas "American culture" is merely an amalgamation of various foreign cultures that has adapted into something unique.
3697  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Choose your own adventure on: May 21, 2010, 08:16:25 pm
1. Let's keep some semblance of realism.
3698  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: World Countries with a Population of Less Than One Million Survivor Round 5 on: May 21, 2010, 07:28:35 pm



Bahrain 4
Saint Kitts and Nevis 3

Marshall Islands 2
Djibouti 2
Palau 1
San Marino 1

Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Barbados
Belize
Bhutan
Brunei
Cape Verde
Comoros
Cyprus
Djibouti
Dominica
Equatorial Guinea ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Federated States of Micronesia
Fiji
Grenada
Guyana
Iceland
Kiribati
Liechtenstein ELIMINATED ROUND 2
Luxembourg
Maldives
Malta
Marshall Islands
Monaco ELIMINATED ROUND 1
Montenegro
Nauru ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Palau
Saint Kitts and Nevis ELIMINATED ROUND 4
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Seychelles
Solomon Islands
Suriname
Tonga
Tuvalu ELIMINATED ROUND 3
Vanuatu
Vatican City ELIMINATED ROUND 1

ROUND 1 RESULTS: Vatican City 9, Monaco 8, Liechtenstein 2, Andorra 2, Equatorial Guinea 1
ROUND 2 RESULTS: Liechtenstein 5, Equatorial Guinea 3 (1 vote in previous rounds), Bahrain 3 (no votes in previous rounds), Nauru 1
ROUND 3 RESULTS: Nauru 5, Tuvalu 4, Palau 3, Bahrain 2
ROUND 4 RESULTS: Bahrain 4, Saint Kitts and Nevis 3, Marshall Islands 2, Djibouti 2, Palau 1, San Marino 1

Round 5 is open, and will close no earlier than 8:30 pm ET on Saturday, May 22nd. Remember to vote to eliminate two countries.
3699  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Choose your own adventure on: May 21, 2010, 06:58:03 pm
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3700  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Alternate US States on: May 21, 2010, 06:21:03 pm
Well, I'm quite disappointed to see there is absoutely no comment about the new states themselves, their politics and if they fit with what you expected. IMO, Midwest is a quite interesting region regarding the State borders modifications...

Part of the problem there is that you've essentially gerrymandered the state boundaries, so there are very few surprises. Everything is going as expected.
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