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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Contras on: May 21, 2015, 05:17:00 pm
Are there people who argue the contras weren't terrorists?
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: When will the USA have the first millenial (Y) president? on: May 21, 2015, 05:12:20 pm
I love how everyone has a different definition for what a Millennial is.

My favorite and the one I hear the most is something like 1982-1998 births.

The idea that any span of births crossing the 80s and 90s could be a culturally coherent generation is bullsh[inks]. Consider, someone born in 1985 was 16 during 9/11, old enough to understand what it was. Someone born in 1995 was 6, and wouldn't become politically aware until well after the Iraq War; whereas the '85 kid might well have been deployed to Iraq. The 1995 kid wasn't old enough to care about Obama, while the '85 kid put her hopes and dreams on the big O. The '85 kid graduated college into a recession, and feels cheated. The '95 kid grew up in the "new normal" sh[inks] economy, and knows full well that his degree won't land him a job out of college.

Our experiences are completely different. Generation theory only works if the generations are like 4-8 years long. I think categorizing political generations by who was president when they graduated high school is a more interesting exercise. "Millennials" break down like this (using Strouss-Howe's age range iirc):

1980-82: Clinton Generation
1983-90: W. Bush Generation
1991-98: Obama Generation
1999-04: "Next" Generation

Not necessarily, a 13-year old in 2008 would certainly know about the 2008 campaign and his or her parents may have had an effect. Besides, elections are always big news regardless of age.

Atlas People, you don't get it. Think of a sport that doesn't interest you and that you don't follow. That is how most people feel about politics and elections. Other than Election Day and blurbs on the news that they may not even fully listen to, they don't pay attention or care. And I'm talking about the adults. There are 13 year olds who do not know who the candidates of the most recent presidential election were.

And rightfully so. My god, why would anyone want an 10 year old to know about Mitt Romney? That's obscene.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The ads have changed to image banners. on: May 21, 2015, 05:08:08 pm
Have you never heard of AdBlock?

No but I know how to use the ignore button.

Here ya go, buddy.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary caught in another email lie (!) on: May 20, 2015, 02:55:35 pm
Y'all have your heads in the sand.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul is Filibustering the Patriot Act on: May 20, 2015, 02:50:02 pm
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Despite the fact that the Senate isn't working on the NSA legislation, Paul's "filibuster" will likely delay action in the upper chamber, causing further complications and making it harder for the Senate to wrap up the trade bill and move to bills that need to be finished before the Memorial Day recess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/paul-end-patriot-act_n_7344966.html

Now I am all in favor of Paul doing this, but wouldn't it be better to wait until the Senate is actually debating the Patriot Act/NSA?

Congress has until Friday to pass a bill; they go on holiday for Memorial Day weekend and won't be back until after June 1. So I imagine starting now gets him and Wyden the ability to say they each filibustered the Senate for 18ish hours.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A thought on: May 20, 2015, 02:45:24 pm
By the time of the 1988 election, the Republicans were in power almost eight years. Their candidate was a sixty four year old who had been a major public figure for nineteen years.

Spooky.


Why the f[inks] did you empty quote that? Why did you even bother posting in this thread?
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Does Anything Matter? on: May 18, 2015, 09:49:46 pm
Are you ok, Cathcon?
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: "Sanders Democrats" on: May 18, 2015, 09:41:36 pm
I don't know if it is, but his support base is clearly among those who want to 'take back' the Democratic Party from the Clintonistas. This is a silly and unachievable goal, as the Democratic Party has never been the party of the left-liberals and the labor movement, which have been the battered spouse of the party since they entered into an unholy alliance with finance capital in the 1930s and 1940s in opposition to the dominant Republican Party.

Really, the idea that the Democratic Party can be won over at all to left-liberal positions is what is entirely laughable, given the only time it did succeed to some extent (1972), the party quickly collapsed, losing most of its major donors and political support while also being painted as out of touch and unhinged by the media. You should expect the exact same to happen if Sanders or another left-liberal captures the nomination of the Democratic Party in the future.

Just a note. Organized labor, embodied in the AFL, has consistently supported the Democratic nominee since 1908. According to Jack Ross (The Socialist Party of America: A Complete History, 107)

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For the first time in a presidential election, perhaps largely to spite Taft's record, the AFL officially endorsed Bryan in 1908. Gompers even personally reviewed the labor planks of the brian platform and wrote most of the materials directed at urban and working-class districts. Both Gompers and Bryan were compelled into the alliance by desperation. While the Democrats were more harmoniously behind Bryan than in the past, the party organization was still reeling from a decade of lethargy, and the infrastructure that the AFL could provide was critical to any chance of victory.

On the crisis within the AFL (Ross, 103):

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The AFL itself was in crisis as it attempted to chart its future political course. As it increasingly became settled law (ultimately affirmed by the Supreme Court) that strikes and boycotts were criminal under antitrust laws, the AFL hoped it could flex its political muscle by working for the defeat of a select group of anti-labor congressmen, a campaign that failed miserably. [Referring to 1906 midterms]
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: When will the USA have the first millenial (Y) president? on: May 18, 2015, 09:22:41 pm
I love how everyone has a different definition for what a Millennial is.

My favorite and the one I hear the most is something like 1982-1998 births.

The idea that any span of births crossing the 80s and 90s could be a culturally coherent generation is bullsh[inks]. Consider, someone born in 1985 was 16 during 9/11, old enough to understand what it was. Someone born in 1995 was 6, and wouldn't become politically aware until well after the Iraq War; whereas the '85 kid might well have been deployed to Iraq. The 1995 kid wasn't old enough to care about Obama, while the '85 kid put her hopes and dreams on the big O. The '85 kid graduated college into a recession, and feels cheated. The '95 kid grew up in the "new normal" sh[inks] economy, and knows full well that his degree won't land him a job out of college.

Our experiences are completely different. Generation theory only works if the generations are like 4-8 years long. I think categorizing political generations by who was president when they graduated high school is a more interesting exercise. "Millennials" break down like this (using Strouss-Howe's age range iirc):

1980-82: Clinton Generation
1983-90: W. Bush Generation
1991-98: Obama Generation
1999-04: "Next" Generation

Not necessarily, a 13-year old in 2008 would certainly know about the 2008 campaign and his or her parents may have had an effect. Besides, elections are always big news regardless of age.

Maybe Atlas freaks did, but I was born in '95, post here, and didn't give a sh**t about politics in eighth grade. I can assure you nobody I know in real life was "following the election."
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: When will the USA have the first millenial (Y) president? on: May 16, 2015, 02:56:58 pm
I love how everyone has a different definition for what a Millennial is.

My favorite and the one I hear the most is something like 1982-1998 births.

The idea that any span of births crossing the 80s and 90s could be a culturally coherent generation is bullsh[inks]. Consider, someone born in 1985 was 16 during 9/11, old enough to understand what it was. Someone born in 1995 was 6, and wouldn't become politically aware until well after the Iraq War; whereas the '85 kid might well have been deployed to Iraq. The 1995 kid wasn't old enough to care about Obama, while the '85 kid put her hopes and dreams on the big O. The '85 kid graduated college into a recession, and feels cheated. The '95 kid grew up in the "new normal" sh[inks] economy, and knows full well that his degree won't land him a job out of college.

Our experiences are completely different. Generation theory only works if the generations are like 4-8 years long. I think categorizing political generations by who was president when they graduated high school is a more interesting exercise. "Millennials" break down like this (using Strouss-Howe's age range iirc):

1980-82: Clinton Generation
1983-90: W. Bush Generation
1991-98: Obama Generation
1999-04: "Next" Generation
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I just bought randpaul.space, what should I redirect it to? on: May 09, 2015, 10:39:51 pm
That is wonderful. However, it shows up as a tiny gif in the top left corner of the screen, so I've redirected to BaconKing's suggestion for now. Any idea if it can be made bigger, or does Tumblr just shrink images to that size?
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / I just bought randpaul.space, what should I redirect it to? on: May 09, 2015, 11:58:01 am
It was only $5 so I said what the hell. Right now it redirects to Karl Marx's wikipedia page because a friend of mine thought that would be funny. Looking for better ideas, though.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is there a max number of people one can put on ignore? on: May 07, 2015, 11:02:46 am
Whenever my ignore list reaches its cap, I treat the occasion as a jubilee, pour myself a large glass of red wine, and clear the entire list. By that point, a large share of the posters on it have always been banned and a few have probably become more tolerable.
Not a bad idea; I'll give that a try.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election - May 7th 2015 (The Official Election Day & Results Thread) on: May 07, 2015, 10:47:08 am
In 2010 for example, the BBC made a big fanfare of playing Big Ben strike ten as they put out the poll.


Lol.

And when can be official results?

From what I know, every constituency declares their own result at some point after 10pm local time. There are constituencies which take until tomorrow morning or noon to declare, so a UK-wide result should be known tomorrow at some point.

This is correct.  The first results will almost certainly be from the Sunderland constituencies, perhaps an hour or so after the polls close.  Most others will declare some time between about 1am and 6am local time.  A handful will wait until tomorrow to count, and some very close results may also declare very late.  IIRC in 1997 Winchester (where the majority was 2) didn't declare until mid afternoon on the Friday (and of course the result was later declared void and there was a by-election, which, um, wasn't quite as close...).

Ahhh.

That's why I love the Austrian way of elections: Polls are open from 6am to 5pm on Sunday. Vote counting takes 2 hours. Pundits analyse the results until 10pm. Everyone goes to sleep.

Wink
Is election day a national holiday?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Bernie Sanders endorse the Democratic nominee? on: May 07, 2015, 10:38:04 am
He said he would on Stephanopoulos.
16  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: May 06, 2015, 03:10:06 pm
The Socialist Party of America: A Complete History by Jack Ross. It is indeed complete, weighing in at 753 pages, the book chronicles the history of the Socialist Party of America, from its antecedents in the populist and trade unionist movements of the nineteenth centuries, to the fragmented landscape of successor parties which populate the modern socialist landscape.
17  General Politics / Economics / Re: When is the next global recession and how severe is it? on: May 06, 2015, 03:06:34 pm
Judging by the ridiculous exuberance of Silicon Valley investors, I'm going to bet the next recession will be another tech bust. The "App Bubble" could burst as soon as next year.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is there a max number of people one can put on ignore? on: May 06, 2015, 02:57:09 pm
Fifty, I think.

You probably have some old 2012 trolls on your list - perhaps prune those?

That makes sense. Do any of these people no longer post here?

Guest
Reaganfan
Lincoln Republican
J. J.
Rob
Bandit3 the Worker
RIP Grumps
memphis
Politico
GPORTER
ShadowOfTheWave
dead0man
Ljube
Free Palestine
5280
Vosem
milhouse24
So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!
wormyguy
Senator JCL and the geologist
Illuminati Blood Drinker
freepcrusher
Napoleon
R2D2
krazen1211
nothing is sacred when no one is saved
timothyinMD
IDS Ex-Speaker Ben Kenobi
Mynheer Peeperkorn
NY Jew
heatmaster
CaDan
WhyteRain
Oldiesfreak1854
Orion0
solarstorm
Rhodie
Emperor Dubya
Mister Twister
dirks
Obamalite
Cliffy
Noam Chomskey
MrMittens
Supermariobros
NerdyBohemian
Cassius
Free Bird
KCDem
Kraxner
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Is there a max number of people one can put on ignore? on: May 06, 2015, 02:53:02 pm
Whenever I try to add bobloblaw to my ignore list, it doesn't take. Is there a hard limit on the length of ones ignore list?
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: When will Warren endorse Hillary? on: May 06, 2015, 02:47:06 pm
She's all but endorsed Hillary already.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Jeb Bush Invested Florida Pension Money In Porn on: May 06, 2015, 02:44:29 pm
The latest from the Jeb Email Files, as reported by the International Business Times:

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Conservatives in Florida were aghast: State documents said that Gov. Jeb Bush and other overseers of Florida's pension system had shifted retirees' money into a company called Movie Gallery, one of the largest film rental firms in America. Most of the titles were standard comedy and action fare, but a fraction were X-rated titles.

In short, the state of Florida was investing taxpayer money in pornography.

Bush recently released 280,000 emails from his two terms as governor (1999-2007), and buried in the trove are exchanges about the Movie Gallery investment that highlight the tension between Bush’s stance as a firm social conservative and his readiness to align himself with the Republican Party’s pro-businesses sensibilities -- even at the cost of right-wing ideals.

“Have you people lost your minds?” one outraged voter wrote in an email to Bush and the State Board of Administration (SBA), which made the investment. Another angry voter emailed that pornography was “enslaving men and women to its addiction.”

But Bush, then the highest-profile trustee of the board that oversees Florida’s $149 billion pension system, was unmoved by conservatives’ outrage, and maintained the investment. In one of the newly surfaced emails, the SBA’s director told an angry Floridian that the state could not take investment advice from “various constituency groups.” The Bush administration would not let political ideology shape pension decisions, the director explained, saying the state’s pension trustees were “required to act solely in the best interest of the [pension] beneficiaries.”

...

Huckabee et al will have a field day with this, I'm sure.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Presidential Candidate Mark B Graham (Live) on: April 19, 2015, 08:12:36 pm
Honest C-  A lot to do with it is the Media not treating the third party candidates the same as Republicans
and Democrats

Mark, to respond to a specific post, press the "QUOTE" button at the top right of each post. This way, we'll know who you're talking to.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever participated in a protest? on: December 24, 2014, 10:50:08 pm
No, not in the way the OP is inquiring about. I tend to avoid protests due to their negative messages and single-sidedness on complex issues. Plus, to be honest I do not see the point of it in a town like mine where about two-thirds of the voting population is either conservative or reactionary.

I do however walk out during the middle of speeches at local meetings, candidate fundraisers, party functions, etc. whenever the message digresses into very partisan, cynical, or bigoted comments concerning the opposition. I've also stopped attending the weekly meetings held by a local secular humanist group on account of their verbal violence towards believers and nearly did the same for a non-profit benefiting children after its president told a guest speaker that "we fight against the Muslim each and every day," in that case only really sticking around because most of the members are decent and the charitable causes taken on are worth putting up with occasional discomfort.

Rather than protest out on the streets I tend to stay very active on a local newspaper's website, and at some point will be begin posting on a blog that will often criticize established policy in conjunction with a campaign for office.

A long winded way of admitting your moral (and physical) cowardice.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your middle name? on: December 24, 2014, 08:05:12 pm
Next thread idea: what's your mother's maiden name?

Not your damn business.

You didn't get the joke. Sad

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45419697/ns/technology_and_science-security/t/porn-star-name-game-identity-thiefs-dream/#.VJtitaAEAA
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: December 24, 2014, 08:02:20 pm
Perhaps I ought to be ritually castrated? Perhaps it is for the best. A mockery of a man, I am...

Rough finals?

No, quite good, actually.

Well damn, then....
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