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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post something to trigger the preceding poster on: May 14, 2016, 05:57:27 pm
TRUMP 2016!
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who was Secretary of State when you were born? on: May 11, 2016, 02:00:20 pm
George P. Shultz, and though it shouldn't, it's still surprising that there a so few of us now.

Eagleburger, who has a FANTASTIC name. But he was only acting SoS when I was born.
He can't beat Stettinius, especially when you pronounce it as in the German original (with a shte).
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you smoke cigarettes? on: May 11, 2016, 01:50:58 pm
Never

Ironically, I haven't started smoking regularly until I was 18. I've tried it before, of course, but didn't get the addiction until my last HS year. My parents were lifelong smokers (and it contributed to my father's death) and for a long time I was just resolved not to make their mistake, but, alas, it came down to this.
Unfortunately it seems that too often children of smokers also smoke, even when like in you case they want to avoid their parents mistakes. It goes the other way too, of course. I attribute the fact that I've never attempted smoking due to the fact that almost no one in my family smokes and some are quite outspoken against smoking (my grandfather used to criticize young smokers on the street).
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you have voted in the 1848 presidential election? on: May 11, 2016, 01:42:04 pm
Van Buren (abolitionist)
Van Buren wasn't an abolitionist, he was only an opponent of the expansion of slavery. If you want an actual abolitionist, you would want Gerrit Smith (who also supported universal suffrage, which makes it surprising that he hasn't gotten more votes in this poll).

But looking at serious candidates, Taylor is preferable. While being a slaveowner himself, he had little patience for the fanatical slaveocrats. Also the Whig party had a far more sensible platform.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MA: Clinton 55 Trump 31 on: May 11, 2016, 01:33:18 pm
If clinton is up 12 in NC and only down 1 in Georgia, she's doing better here than what the poll says.

I'm about as bearish on Trump as possible, but there's no way he's down by 12 in NC.

He might be. It has the largest hispanic population in the south outside florida.
How many of the actually vote, though?
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: GA-Landmark: Trump 42 Clinton 41 on: May 11, 2016, 01:31:50 pm
If Gary Johnson or someone ran that could tip this race in her favor like how Bill won in 1992 and 1996 thanks to Perot.
Not a good comparison. Georgia was far more Democratic then (and Clinton being from the South mattered much more than it would today) and Perot took about equal number of voters from both candidates.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's general election campaign strategy...big rallies on: May 11, 2016, 01:27:05 pm
It worked for Presumptive Democratic Nominee Sanders, right?
And for President Romney.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: TRUMP outright says he won't release tax returns before the election on: May 11, 2016, 01:26:01 pm
Not a bad idea actually, to get the bad press out well before the election. Also Clinton has so much material to attack him with, her campaign probably won't have time to get to the tax return issue Smiley
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why is Trump still campaigning in primary states? on: May 11, 2016, 01:23:23 pm
He probably expects (and likely for a good reason) that if he doesn't have a majority of delegates at the convention, the GOP establishment will find some way to wrench the nomination from him.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Can you tell them apart? on: May 11, 2016, 01:20:13 pm
Yes, Julian Castro has better teeth.
11  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Obama's visit to Hiroshima on: May 11, 2016, 01:15:12 pm
I see no problem with this, so long as he doesn't actually apologize without a formal Japanese apology first (which I don't think they owe us at this point, nor should it effect our relationship).
Apparently the Japanese emperor attempted to personally apologize to MacArthur, but he rebuffed him.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Obama's visit to Hiroshima on: May 11, 2016, 01:08:02 pm
I just heard that Pres. Obama is visiting Hiroshima in Japan to pay respects. If he visited Japan, why haven't the Japanese government visited Pearl Harbor and offered their respects?
Pearl Harbor was a valid military target, so Japan certainly doesn't have to apologize for attacking it (of course they have done a lot of other things for which they do have to apologize for, but this mostly doesn't concern Americans).
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Palin to make sure Ryan is primaried for not supporting Trump, ruin his 2020 on: May 11, 2016, 01:01:47 pm
Watch as Trump declares Palin his VP choice for her show of loyalty.
For all his craziness Trump never struck me as a total idiot, so I don't see this happening.
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Day 13: Azerbaijan on: September 20, 2015, 03:36:17 pm
A repulsive dictatorship that is held up by a personality cult straight out of the USSR circa 1950 and the ugliest kind of nationalism straight out of Germany circa 1940. And I'm not exaggerating. This is a country were a cowardly murderer was declared a national hero because his victim was an Armenian and where the country's leader openly declares that creating Armenia was a mistake. Meanwhile the actual refugees from the conflict with Armenia are apparently still not integrated, so as to prevent any future reconciliation.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What's with the Kasich boner? on: August 07, 2015, 02:55:36 am
He is easily the best candidate the Republicans could nominate this time. This should be enough of an explanation.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Was the 1876 election stolen on: August 01, 2015, 02:23:51 pm
All Tilden had to do was win Florida and he would have became President. However, like Al Gore, he was the real President.
The comparison is absurd since Tilden's campaign was also involved in massive electoral fraud and voter suppression. Mississippi was most certainly stolen and there is no way he could have gotten close in Louisiana and South Carolina in a fair election. All three of these states were majority Black and would have voted easily Republican if they hadn't been intimated by local democrats.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Huckabee doesn't rule out deploying federal troops to stop abortions! on: July 31, 2015, 03:14:28 pm
"All American citizens should be protected," he added.
Another Republican candidate who hasn't read the constitution. From the 14th amendment:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Republika Srpska referendum on most loaded poll question ever - September, 2015 on: July 30, 2015, 07:27:28 am
Bosnia as a whole is a joke country.

And you base that prejudiced comment on? Also ironic coming from someone who as a S-GR avatar.
Bosnia is basically Yugoslavia 2.0 "The mini version", but without the dictator to run the place with an iron fist or the unifying ideology. Add the fact that three ethnicities hate each other even more than during Tito's rule and you can easily how fundamentally artificial and unstable this country is. If it wasn't for the threat of war, it would not have lasted nearly as long.

Actually surprised this isn't just a full on independence referendum. Dodik has threatened one in the past and there's really nothing to stop him. Putin would back him up for sure.
The Balkans (and especially former Yugoslavia) are firmly in the US sphere of influence. It matters little what Putin might think, but it matters far more what the US and the EU would think, which is why there is no chance of such a referendum in the foreseeable future.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could 2016 be a 1992 Repeat? on: July 26, 2015, 04:49:58 am
There is no chance because as an independent candidate Trump would take votes almost entirely from Bush, while Perot had about equal support from Democrats and Republicans and thus his campaign had little effect on the outcome of the race.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker: military strike on Iran on 1st day of presidency is possible on: July 22, 2015, 05:21:35 pm
Honestly, this is some seriously far out and crazy stuff. Iran is capable of closing the straits of Hormuz, sinking a US aircraft carrier or two, and inflicting some serious damage on Israel. They are not a pushover like Iraq.

Of course, we do need to deal with Iran one way or the other. But saying that you would do it on the first day really does betray a lack of seriousness. You have to have some planning. Even the Germans in 1914 didn't just jump in there aimlessly. They had the Schlieffen plan.
If you think that the US needs to go to war with Iran (as you seem to imply) your own post differs from the position of Walker only by degree, not by substance, so you should be a bit more careful about calling him crazy...
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Saga on: July 22, 2015, 05:13:37 pm
While I am still skeptical of this and don't have much confidence in Iran, I heard Obama in a speech today and agreed with him 100%. He said that diplomacy is the most responsible option, and that any option is better than war.
Clinton said the exact same thing (and a lot more of the same kind of stuff it's actually weird how much of the language is the exact same) about N.Korea....how'd that turn out?  I guess you could argue that N.Korea hasn't nuked anybody yet, but have they exported as much terrorism as Iran has over the last several decades?
The comparison is misleading, since the agreement with North Korea was non-binding (which also meant that the US was later free to ignore its obligations, which certainly helped the eventual collapse of the treaty) and with few safeguards for its implementation. Also Iran can't ignore sanctions nearly as well as North Korea, nor has it an ally that would back it near unconditionally. If Clinton used nearly the same wording as Obama, then this only shows that he was more dishonest than Obama (which explains a lot about his much greater popularity).
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Saga on: July 22, 2015, 05:03:44 pm
After 5 years the arms embargo is lifted, and after 8 years a missile embargo is lifted.  I'm really surprised Obama and the Western powers agreed to that.  Obama won't see much support for this deal in Congress.  

This is my main concern as well. This is way too soon I think. Guess Putin and Lavrov pressed pretty hard for this to come through, cause they desperately need the money they can obtain from weapon sales (especially now that Russia is in a deep crisis). Should have been at least a 10-12 year embargo.
Somehow I doubt that the opinion of Putin is taken into great account at the moment in the Western world. The fact is that both the EU and the US have motives of their own to support this agreement and some of them are actually against the interests of Russia (lifting the embargo on oil and gas, most obviously).

Putin was part of the negotiation so of course if he insisted on something it had to be taken into account.



With Iran's vote in the UN Security Council, is that evidence the Ayatollah has formally okay'd participation in the deal?
Taking Putin's opinion into account certainly doesn't mean obliging his wishes. Looking at the treaty it's hard to see that Russia benefited more than the US and the EU.

23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 70th Anniversary of Germany's surrender in WWII. on: July 22, 2015, 04:54:08 pm
In honor of the main contributors to this Victory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_LaQsHUNlQ

Nobody cares about your soviet nationalism.
Claiming that the Soviets were the main contributors to the defeat of Germany is not Soviet nationalism, it is the simple historical truth. Neither is honoring the country that suffered 27 million casualties nationalism.
And you obviously do care, since you took the effort to reply to my post. And with a rather ridiculous personal attack at that. Is the idea of giving some credit to the USSR or Russia so repugnant to you?

Well as somebody born a few hundred kilometers west of the countries USSR liberated, I'm forever grateful that it wasn't "the Main Contributors to the Victory" who liberated us.
Hope you're also forever grateful for them making any liberation possible by destroying enough German forces to allow a Western Allies invasion possible in the first place.
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 70th Anniversary of Germany's surrender in WWII. on: July 22, 2015, 04:49:12 pm
BTW, the modern Ukrainian version of this song. Performed at the front. By and for the grandchildren of those who fought 70 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0084EqyLFo

Disclaimer: there is a lot in this version I do not at all like. But, as they say in Russian, you cannot drop a word from a song.
I find it somewhat hilarious (though certainly not surprising) that Ukrainian nationalists would resort to stealing the melody of one of the most famous Soviet songs to make a war song on their own . And if we're going to call this a version of the Soviet song, let's not forget that the original doesn't praise the NKVD (for a sufficiently close analogue).

But, then

https://twitter.com/tweetsnv/status/596246063931105281

The grandson of the Red Army vet has been killed by the Russians in this war.
I suppose that this was metaphorical, because it's not supported by your article? Doesn't fit well in any case, since you could just as easily sat that the grandson of the Red Army vet has been killed by the Ukrainians in this war - and probably with the same or even greater justification.
Regarding the reconciliation between the Red Army and UPA, nothing is really surprising about Ukraine these days, so perhaps we shoud try guessing with whom they'll be reconciling next? Perhaps with the Armija Krajowa, at the former Polish villages whose inhabitants the UPA massacred and expelled? And in the same spirit I would suggest a reconciliation between the veterans of the Free French forces and those of the collaborators. I'm sure this idea would be really popular, as would be other such "reconciliations" - for example the SS doesn't get nearly enough recognition...
25  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 70th Anniversary of Germany's surrender in WWII. on: July 22, 2015, 04:35:30 pm
In honor of the main contributors to this Victory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_LaQsHUNlQ

Nobody cares about your soviet nationalism.
Claiming that the Soviets were the main contributors to the defeat of Germany is not Soviet nationalism, it is the simple historical truth. Neither is honoring the country that suffered 27 million casualties nationalism.


Nor should we forget the 45 years of Soviet occupation of much of Europe that followed. The true liberation came only in 1990-91.

And, before you start, I still have WWII veterans who were in the Soviet Army that I can visit and talk to (my grandfather is gone, but some of his cousins and friends are still alive - though, obviously, not many). I recently took my daughter with me on a visit to one of them - a dear old family friend, who was a sniper in the war. But what she wanted to talk about where  the years of humiliation with which the Soviets repaid her generation. It was a good history lesson, trust me.

Let us not start the победобесие here. The victory was stolen from those who sacrificed for it back in 1945 - and it is being stolen by the new marauders today. And THAT is something we should never forget.
No one is forgetting the 45 years of Soviet domination, but in the Western countries they have certainly forgotten the Soviet contribution in WWII. And I understand your sentiment, but a more realistic reading of the history of the war doesn't need to include the demonization of one side up to making an equivalence between them and their enemies. Which frankly is is more of a problem outside Russia (and would be likely so inside Russia as well, if your preferred politicians were to rule the country.

победобесие ? Google does not translate.

that is a recent neologism Smiley Used to describe what the Russian government has done to the victory celebration. Victordevilry could be a rough (though very imperfect) translation. A southern Slav should get it from general linguistic considerations.
My first idea was actually victory madness. But the meaning is pretty similar and it has just as little relevance to the real world as Victordevilrty has.

By the way, as we are remembering history, let us remember that there were two periods of WWII when the Soviet Union and Bulgaria were on the same side. One was, of course, starting September 1944 (though, that hardly can be called voluntary). The other period was between March and June 1941, when both were on the opposite side of the conflict.
It would take some very severe distortions of the word "sides" to claim that Bulgaria and the USSR were on the same side between March and June 1941. Bulgaria at this point was a satellite to Germany (clearly against Soviet wishes), which was already deep in preparation for the attack of what had been at best a co-belligerent two years earlier. You could at best speak about cold peace. As for the second period, it certainly wasn't voluntary, but then it's questionable how voluntary the alliance with Germany was, considering that it was signed more or less under the pressure of a threatened invasion.

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Anyway, if we remember glorious pages, we should never forget the shameful ones as well. So, on request from our numerous viewers and listeners, Matti Jurva shall sing his famous ballade Nyet Molotoff! Let us welcome our Finnish guest with prolonged applause!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO2o-rwbaMk

With English translation, for those who want to understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pWcVxl9v6Y
If you had limited yourself to this, I would completely agree with you. But you completely undid you own point by including the next song...


And now, let us all sing along as Comrade Jurva delights everyone with his performance of his other delightful song Uraliin. Just to remind us all that when Finland stood up to the Soviets not one country did anything but express support

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKKu1UaoTro

Yes, we certainly need to be reminded of the Greater Finnish nationalism that led to the Finnish troops go beyond recovering the territories lost in the Winter War and into occupying territories that had never belonged to Finland, committing significant war crimes against their inhabitants and helping the Germans (if half-heartedly) in the destruction of Leningrad. The video which presents the same slogan as the one utilized by the Nazis (Chase the Russians beyound the Urals!) was certainly helpful, so thanks for submitting it!
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