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51  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Post random maps here on: September 18, 2016, 01:46:48 pm


Used 538's demographic calculator to simulate a national election where college-educated Whites and Blacks are solidly Republican voting, with Hispanics and non-educated Whites being mostly Democrats.

What situation would cause this to happen? Time traveling back to the late 1800s? Tongue
52  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Atlas' favorite state - vote! on: September 18, 2016, 01:30:49 pm
[1] Arizona
[2] North Carolina
[3] Washington
[4] New York
[5] Minnesota
[6] Alaska

Of course, if I had my way, California would have won in the West, Georgia would have won in the South, Hawaii would have beat Alaska,  NYC would secede from Upstate New York, and the Midwest would be given to Canada. Tongue
53  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don't vote for Johnson because ISIS is Nader's fault on: September 18, 2016, 01:14:50 pm
Meh, putting the blame on third-party candidates or their voters is obviously wrong, but it's undeniable that if a voter genuinely cares about preventing the worst outcome, then the only worthwhile course of action is choosing the lesser evil.

Because, you know, Trump is totally going to win in California if I vote for Johnson.

He might if every person who didn't like Hillary but liked Drumpf even less chose to vote for Johnson while all the voters who didn't like Drumpf but liked Hillary even less still voted for Drumpf. Of course that's not actually gonna happen, but the mere theoretical possibility is troubling to me.

The point is, if Trump winning California is within the realm of probability, he has already won the election because of votes in other states, so it won't matter at that point anyway.

Ugh, I hate the Electoral College for making this inherently ridiculous logic actually make sense...

Yeah, if it weren't for the Electoral College, I would be far more inclined to agree with the "lesser of two evils" argument. Of course, if we combined a national popular vote with some sort of multi-round or IRV system, than voting for the lesser of two evils would be even less necessary.
54  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don't vote for Johnson because ISIS is Nader's fault on: September 17, 2016, 03:06:34 pm
Meh, putting the blame on third-party candidates or their voters is obviously wrong, but it's undeniable that if a voter genuinely cares about preventing the worst outcome, then the only worthwhile course of action is choosing the lesser evil.

Because, you know, Trump is totally going to win in California if I vote for Johnson.

He might if every person who didn't like Hillary but liked Drumpf even less chose to vote for Johnson while all the voters who didn't like Drumpf but liked Hillary even less still voted for Drumpf. Of course that's not actually gonna happen, but the mere theoretical possibility is troubling to me.

The point is, if Trump winning California is within the realm of probability, he has already won the election because of votes in other states, so it won't matter at that point anyway.
55  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1968 Republican primary on: September 17, 2016, 12:16:34 pm
56  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don't vote for Johnson because ISIS is Nader's fault on: September 17, 2016, 11:49:45 am
Meh, putting the blame on third-party candidates or their voters is obviously wrong, but it's undeniable that if a voter genuinely cares about preventing the worst outcome, then the only worthwhile course of action is choosing the lesser evil.

Because, you know, Trump is totally going to win in California if I vote for Johnson.
57  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Alaska vs. Hawaii? on: September 15, 2016, 11:44:20 pm
The one where I won't freeze to death.
58  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should prisons be abolished? on: September 15, 2016, 10:29:36 pm
lol, no.
59  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 2008 Re-Dux - Clinton v. Giuliani on: September 15, 2016, 10:10:13 am
Giuliani, easily.
60  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why are libertarians associated with the right? on: September 15, 2016, 01:37:53 am
Why are libertarians associated with the right?

Dude, it's because they are on the right.   

For example, consider this the Political Matrix scores, which can be linked to with the PM button above.  1045 posters have taken the quiz, and here are the average economic scores by party affiliation:

    Democratic        -4.13      
    Republican         +4.39
    Independent        -0.65
    Libertarian         +5.14
    Green                  -5.94
    Constitution        +4.76
    Other                -3.87
    Decline to State   -0.48

Bear in mind that positive scores are further right, and negative scores left.  Sure, it's a small (and self-selected) sample, but it should be obvious that at least among the posters in this forum, and by the standards of the Political Matrix test, Libertarians are the rightmost group.  Even Constitution party people, who are considered right-wing nuts, are not as far right as Libertarians.  This is only one data set, but I encourage to find other data and you'll see a strong correlation of self-identification with the LP with economically conservative benchmarks.



Where do you see the averages, and how different are they for the social side (what I really associate conservatism with)?

Here is what Angus is talking about.
61  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you want to have kids? on: September 14, 2016, 11:37:19 pm
Active dislike for children is one of those animuses that should be critically examined a lot more than it is.

Even though I don't have any desire to have children, I agree with this sentiment. I don't actively dislike children in general, and I've found it odd how widespread child hatred is on the internet.
62  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Two Thousand Sixteen or Twenty Sixteen by Party on: September 14, 2016, 11:33:46 pm
I stopped saying 'two-thousand and.......' after December 31, 2009.  Since then, it's been 'twenty-....' ever since. 
63  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: September 14, 2016, 11:29:12 pm
Your Result: Libertarian (89%)
According to the U.S. Libertarian Party, libertarianism is the advocacy of a government that is funded voluntarily and limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. In the United States people commonly associate the term libertarian with those who have "economically conservative" and "socially liberal" political views (going by the common meanings of "conservative" and "liberal" in the United States). Prominent libertarians include Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party) and Ron Paul (Republican Party).

Neoconservative: 86%
Fusionist: 78%
Lunatic: 28%
Paleoconservative: 0%
64  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you vote for someone whose religious beliefs are different from yours? on: September 14, 2016, 07:51:08 pm
Considering I am, unlike most politicians, not religious, it happens all of the time.
65  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did your demographic vote? on: September 14, 2016, 06:08:06 pm
Apparently my demographic voted 48% Dem.
66  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: September 14, 2016, 05:56:35 pm
Your Result: Pragmatic Libertarian

Pragmatic libertarians are libertarians who simply want to see government reduced and will use mostly means of politics to make that happen. You might be a Libertarian Party member or independent but you probably would not lose sleep voting for "the lesser evil", usually a Republican, as long as it is within reason. You advocate for specific policies tat limit the size of government. You are probably more of a consequentialist libertarian in that you support libertarianism on the grounds that it is beneficial rather than on a moral grounds. An example of a pragmatic libertarian is Rand Paul.

Which quiz is this?
67  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What would be the bigger nail in the coffin? on: September 14, 2016, 05:43:12 pm
Trump supporters/anti-Hillary voters don't seem like the kind of people who would be particularly bothered by the first one.
68  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Clarence Thomas vs Antonin Scalia on: September 14, 2016, 05:38:53 pm
Scalia, easily.
69  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which state call will disappoint you the most? on: September 14, 2016, 05:13:02 pm
The fact that my candidate won't possibly even come close to winning any states.
70  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you want to have kids? on: September 14, 2016, 05:07:52 pm
I currently have no desire to have children. In the future, who knows?
71  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Which red/blue/swing state is the worst fit for the previous poster? on: September 14, 2016, 12:56:09 pm
Dem: New Jersey
Rep: Alabama
Swing: Florida
72  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Which (red/blue/swing) state is the best fit for the previous poster? on: September 14, 2016, 12:52:28 pm
Dem: Washington (is that cheating?)
Rep: Alaska?
Swing: Colorado
73  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Seriously?/Santander vs Jfern/H. A. Goodman on: September 14, 2016, 12:48:27 pm
Third Party (sane, normal, etc.)
74  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Would the previous poster head for Iowa or New Hampshire (or neither)? on: September 14, 2016, 12:46:18 pm
I'm thinking New Hampshire.
75  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: The previous poster or Donald Trump? on: September 14, 2016, 12:44:57 pm
#NeverTrump
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