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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB - Criminal Justice Act of 2016 (Amended by Senate, Voting Now) on: April 10, 2017, 01:29:37 pm
This is a bill that was passed by the House, and then an amendment version was passed by the Senate, so now it's brought back for an immediate vote. Please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB - Criminal Justice Act of 2016 (Amended by Senate, Voting Now) on: April 10, 2017, 01:27:17 pm
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Section 4 (Criminal Liability)
i. In order for a criminal conviction in the Republic of Atlasia to stand it is necessary that the case against a defendant or against multiple defendants be proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
ii. The basic standard of liability for cases concerning both Crimes Against Atlasia and Acts of Treason shall be as in the Common Law: actus reas non facit reum nisi mens sit rea. It must therefore be proven not only that a criminal act has taken place but that the citizen charged can be reasonably held to be fully responsible, whether by act or by omission, for that criminal act.
iii. In cases in which it is certain that a criminal act has been committed by a member of a group of persons, but that it is not certain which of those persons has committed the criminal act, then it shall be possible to convict all said group of persons of the criminal charge in question, provided it can be demonstrated that there was no attempt by that group of persons to prevent the criminal act from taking place.

Section 5 (Criminal Prosecution)
i. Trial of all Crimes against Atlasia and Acts of Treason shall be performed in full compliance with the provisions of Article I of the Fourth Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia. Breach of these provisions shall render any conviction unsafe.
ii. Defendants shall not be denied access to legal counsel from an active citizen of their choice, and also retain the right to waive their right to legal counsel. If a defendant has attempted without success to secure legal counsel or has, after a period of more than forty eight hours, declined to either seek or affirmatively waive legal representation, then the Department of Justice shall nominate an appropriately qualified citizen to act as Public Defendant for the duration of the trial. Said nominee must meet with the approval of the Presiding Judge in the trial in question and must be a person of upstanding moral character.
iii. The Judiciary is hereby mandated to create and to uphold all rules with respect to trial procedure, up to and including the matter of personal conduct, so long as these rules do not contradict any part of this Act. In the event of a gross breach of trial procedure, the Presiding Judge may choose to charge the person or persons responsible with Contempt of Court which shall be treated as a Crime against Atlasia as per Section 2, clause i of this Act.

Section 6 (Admissibility of Evidence)
i. The Presiding Judge may admit the following as evidence at his own discretion:
(a) Any actual statements, whether quoted in full or in part, made on the Atlas Forum that pertain to the trial. If these statements have been deleted from the Atlas Forum but a copy in the form of a screenshot has been made of them, then that copy in the form of a screenshot may be treated as equally admissible to an original quoted statement. If these statements have been deleted from the Atlas Forum, but survive – whether in full or in part – as quotations in the post of another Atlas Forum user, then these quoted fragments may also be treated as equally admissible to an original quoted statement.
(b) The sworn testimony of a citizen of the Republic of Atlasia who has witnessed the alleged offence or its planning or preparation at first hand, or who has witnessed credible evidence of conspiracy.
(c) An admission of guilt or culpability by the defendant in a thread on the Atlas Forum, or in a place viewed or heard by other persons, with recordings or testimony attributing to the same.
(d) Evidence obtained through proper investigation of the IP address from which the offence was perpetrated.
(e) Credible evidence presented to the Court by the Forum Moderators or by Dave Leip, the Forum Owner.
(f) Other forms of evidence that are credible in nature and which do not contradict this Act or the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia may additionally be considered.
ii. The Presiding Judge has an absolute right to reject evidence (whether in whole or in part) that he or she feels to be tainted by procedural flaws, to be of dubious provenance or to wholly lack credibility.

Section 7 (Sentencing)
i. In the event of a conviction, sentencing shall be carried out by the Presiding Judge in accordance with the following guidelines:
(a) The standard punishment for both Crimes Against Atlasia and Acts of Treason shall be the removal of certain political rights – the right to hold office and the right to vote in federal or regional elections – of the guilty person or persons. The Presiding Judge may decide at his or her discretion on the exact combination of political rights to remove from the guilty person or persons. Subsequent references to sentence length refer to any and all combination of the above punishments.
(b) For all Crimes Against Atlasia and even for Acts of Treason there shall be no minimum sentence. In such exceptional cases as the Presiding Judge sees fit, he or she may opt to issue a Discharge, which shall mean that the guilty person or persons shall suffer no punishment further than the acquisition of a criminal record.
(c) The maximum sentence for all Crimes Against Atlasia other than Identity Theft or Electoral Intimidation shall be of one year in length.
(d) The maximum sentence for Identity Theft and Electoral Intimidation shall be of two year in length.
(e) The maximum sentence for all Acts of Treason and Terrorism shall be of three years in length.
(f) The Presiding Judge may decide, if there are adequate grounds, to suspend a sentence – in whole or in part – and instead place the guilty person or persons under a period of probation, the exact length of which shall be no longer and no shorter than the part of the sentence being suspended. Failure by the guilty person or persons to obey in full the terms of their probation shall result in the immediate imposition of their full sentence. Life Sentences may not be suspended.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / HB - Criminal Justice Act of 2016 (Amended by Senate, Voting Now) on: April 10, 2017, 01:26:43 pm
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AN ACT
to establish the criminal code
of the Republic of Atlasia

Section 1 (Title)
i. The long title of this Act shall be, the Criminal Justice Act of 2016. It may be cited as the Criminal Justice Act or as the CJA.

Section 2 (Crimes against Atlasia)
i. The following shall be crimes against Atlasia:
(a) Impersonation. This offense shall be defined as the impersonation of another Atlas Forum member, be they a citizen of the Republic of Atlasia or not, within the territory of the Republic of Atlasia.
(b) Identity Theft. This offence shall be defined as the illicit taking of control by any means of another Atlas Forum member's person account, be they a citizen of the republic or not, without explicit and provable consent.
(c) Voter Fraud. This offence shall be defined as the creation of identities other than a citizen's primary identity in the Republic of Atlasia and subsequently entering this identity into the tally of registered voters.
1. If a citizen no longer has access to their previous forum account and wishes to register with a new forum account in Atlasia, then they shall be allowed to do so legally only if they make it clear in the registration thread who they are and which forum account they previously registered under so that the Secretary of Federal Elections may appropriately update the registration without having any duplicate accounts on the voter roll.
2. This shall exclude those who have had their previous account banned from the Atlas Forum.
(d) Electoral Fraud. This offence shall be defined as the manipulation of of the republic's electoral procedures and practices with the aim of fraudulently altering the results of a specific electoral contest.
(e) Obscenity. This offence shall be defined as the posting of any threads, messages, images, videos, links or other media of a pornographic or sexually explicit nature on the territory of the Republic of Atlasia. In cases where the material posted is of a clearly pornographic nature, the offence shall be known as Gross Obscenity.
(f) Electoral Intimidation. This offence shall be defined as the placing of undue pressure on a citizen of the Republic to cast a ballot in a particular way, to not cast a ballot at all, or to invalidate a ballot already cast via direct threats of revenge, blackmail, or retribution. In those cases in which undue pressure has been applied in the form of credible threats to disclose personal information, the offence shall be known as Grievous Electoral Intimidation.

(g) Ballot Tampering. This offence shall be defined as the deletion of a ballot during a period between vote was closed and elected officeholders sworn-in or soliciting to delete a ballot during the same period.
(h) Misconduct in Public Office. This offence shall be defined as the abuse of office for provable personal gain by cabinet officials or deputy cabinet officials.
(i) Perjury. This offence shall be defined as "any person who takes an oath before a competent tribunal or officer that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, wilfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true."
(j) Breach of the Peace. This offence shall be defined as the wilful undertaking of activities that though not treasonous nevertheless undermine the stability and security of the Republic of Atlasia.
(k) Malicious Editing of the Wiki. This offence shall be defined as the editing of the Atlasia Wiki with malicious intent.
(l) Improper Behaviour on the Wiki. This offence shall be defined as the knowing violation or flagrant disregard of standards and guidelines for the Atlasia Wiki established by the National Archivist.
(m) Contempt of Court. See Section 5, clause iii of this Act.
(n) Terrorism. This offense shall be defined as the malacious deletion or destruction of threads housing government institutions, voting booths, or the legislation threads of any legislative body in Atlasia.
ii. In those cases in which a Crime Against Atlasia has been attempted unsuccessfully, it shall nevertheless be possible to charge a citizen with the offense that they unsuccessfully attempted to commit. In such cases the official record of the charge shall be prefaced with 'Attempted', but no other alterations to procedure shall be made. This applies to all Crimes Against Atlasia with the exception of Obscenity (including Gross Obscenity), Misconduct in Public Office, Perjury, and Contempt of Court.
iii. In those cases in which the perpetrator of a Crime Against Atlasia has been instructed, commissioned, mandated, or otherwise aided by other persons in the planning or execution of the offence in question, then those persons may also be charged with the offence that they conspired to commit. In such cases the record of the charge shall be prefaced with Conspiracy to Commit, but no other alterations to procedure shall be made. It shall not be necessary to charge an individual with a specific Crime Against Atlasia in order to charge other persons in this manner.

Section 3 (Treason)
i. The following acts are hereby declared to be treasonous:
(a) Rebellion. This shall be defined as the use of armed forces to overthrow the government of Republic of Atlasia or the government of any of its constituent Regions.
(b) Aiding Rebellion. This shall be defined as the intentional direction of funds, military aid, or strategic advice to any person, persons, group or groups engaged in or seeking to engage in rebellion against the government of the Republic of Atlasia or the government of any of its constituent Regions.
(c) Terrorism. This shall be defined as the use or threat of use of force or violence by a person, persons or organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating civilians and/or the government of the Republic of Atlasia or the government of any of its constituent Regions.
(d) Destruction of a Voting Booth. This shall be defined as the deleting of the thread in which a voting booth or an absentee voting booth for an active election is contained.
(e) Destruction of Public Records.  This shall be defined as the deleting of a thread in which legislation or executive actions are contained.
(f) Secession. This shall be defined as the declaration or threatened declaration of independence from the Republic of Atlasia by any territorial entity within the bounds of the Republic of Atlasia or by any group of persons within the bounds of the Republic of Atlasia, except according to the provisions set forth in the Constitution thereof.
(g) Refutation of Federal Supremacy in Law. This shall be defined as the denial – whether by word, by deed, or by omission – by any serving officeholder in the Republic of Atlasia or any of its constituent Regions of the supremacy of federal law, or of the decision by any person to serve in a Regional government that denies that it is subject to federal law.
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should sugary drinks and soda be taxed? on: April 10, 2017, 01:13:04 pm
I generally dislike sin taxes, so no.
80  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: The Two "Far-Rights" (and why they oppose each other) on: April 10, 2017, 01:06:53 pm
In some ways the Trumpish variety is closer because it stresses community over the self to a greater degree. In other ways the standard Republicanism is closer because it, or at least parts of it, attempts to make some argument about what good is. But neither is really conservative.

Even if it isn't necessarily more conservative, I would argue that the Trumpist/nationalist variety is far more illiberal. 
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2017-065: Criminal Justice Act of 2016 (Final Vote) on: April 10, 2017, 11:37:46 am
By a vote of 5-0, this passes and moves on to the president for his signature or veto.

This goes back to the House since it was amended.

Oh, right, got it.
82  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Michael Bloomberg (by party)? on: April 10, 2017, 11:33:41 am
One of the worst.
83  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Moderate Republican Party on: April 10, 2017, 11:19:37 am
RINO Tomism is dead for now. Check back in a few decades from now.

Bring it.

Oh snap, its on now!


Grab the popcorn!

LOL.  I'm sure Cathcon and I would get along just fine IRL, and I'm perfectly fine with him being a member of a big-tent party I occupy; I'm not sure if he'd say the same about other "RINOTomists" (not to be confused with my monickers), however.  Anyway, my main "beef" with this whole conversation is that people like me are making any meaningful swing toward being permanent Democrats after 2016, which I just simply don't buy.

I mean, Cathcon voted for Kasich, so I'm not sure he's quite as hardline as he seems... Tongue
84  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should pre-op transgender men be allowed to go topless? on: April 10, 2017, 11:02:16 am
Public nudity is both a hygiene and moral hazard in the minds of most. Despite the morality issues (young children etc.) public nudity also leads to hygiene issues, as well as other concerns from exposure (injury for example)

Would these same hygienic issues apply to men, though?
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2017-065: Criminal Justice Act of 2016 (Final Vote) on: April 10, 2017, 10:59:10 am
By a vote of 5-0, this passes and moves on to the president for his signature or veto.
86  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favorite American Metros (Semi-Finals) on: April 08, 2017, 10:31:10 pm
San Francisco
San Diego
Austin
Nashville
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New Mexico bans "lunch shaming" on: April 08, 2017, 08:59:30 pm
WTF? This is a thing?
88  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favorite Different States states, Round 1 on: April 08, 2017, 07:59:27 pm
RIP San Diego. Cry
89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: April 08, 2017, 07:08:04 pm


Liberal Feminism

Liberal Feminism refers to feminist philosophy rooted in enlightenment principles. Its classical works were penned by thinkers such as Mary Wollstonecraft and John Stuart Mill. This type of feminism holds that men and women are each other’s equals and as such deserve equal rights. It is this type of feminism that people allude to when they say “feminism just means equal rights.”

As opposed to other forms of feminism, Liberal Feminism is individualistic (rather than group-based): Men and women deserve equal rights because both are individuals. Rights are granted to individuals, not genders or groups.

Liberal Feminism believes in equality of rights, not in equality of outcomes. For example, if a profession is dominated by only one gender, that does not necessarily mean that something is wrong: It could be the result of individuals making different decisions in life.
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of "they annoy people I don't like = FF" logic on: April 08, 2017, 01:00:47 pm
I can see the logic of it being considered a postie trait in someone you already like or are at least neutral towards. It doesn't make sense if your opinion towards them would be negative otherwise, though.
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2017-071 - Support Victims of Mental Disorders Act (Final Vote) on: April 07, 2017, 11:40:29 pm
Senators, please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you support the missile strikes on Syria? on: April 07, 2017, 08:38:42 pm
More bombs = peace obviously.

Who said anything about peace?
93  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Foreign Policy and Political Ideology on: April 07, 2017, 08:35:52 pm
The important distinction is multilateralism Vs unilateralism. The left overwhelmingly support the former, the right (from Paulites to Trumpets to McCain style aggressive interventionists) prefer the latter.

What about the anti-globalization left? I wouldn't exactly consider them to be multilateral....
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obamacare vs Single-Payer Health Care on: April 07, 2017, 10:56:10 am
Single-Payer, obviously.
95  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: bigger marketing trick....diamonds or bottled water? on: April 07, 2017, 10:53:05 am
I mean, I grew up in a place where the water was filed with arsenic, so I can't exatly call bottled water useless...
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you support the missile strikes on Syria? on: April 07, 2017, 10:51:01 am
Meh, at least the alt-right is consistently awful, I'll give them that.
97  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Foreign Policy and Political Ideology on: April 07, 2017, 10:48:43 am
Not really. Unfortunately, most people seem to change their position on foreign intervention depending on who's in charge.
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you support the missile strikes on Syria? on: April 07, 2017, 10:40:28 am
Yes, something should have been done years ago. Only thing is I supported Obama when he wanted to go in and my political views don't change depending on who's in power.

Yeah, honestly I think that opposing intervention then but supporting it now is not a position that can really be justified.
99  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you support the missile strikes on Syria? on: April 07, 2017, 02:15:09 am
Frankly, I think we should have gotten involved much sooner. My main concern at this point is that we waited too long for any meaningful change to be made.
100  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you approve of Trump's recent actions in Syria? on: April 07, 2017, 02:08:50 am
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